North Korean Type 73: A PK That Uses Both Mags and Belts

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    Many of the small arms developed in North Korea show substantial Czechoslovakian influence, and the Type 73 machine gun is no exception. Based on the concept of the Czech 52/57 light machine gun, the Type 73 is able to use both magazines and belts (although not both simultaneously). fundamentally, it is a copy of the Soviet PK machine gun, but with a top cover modified to use 30-round unique box magazines. The magazine is designed to have a single-feed presentation, and to cycle rounds backwards like a Boberg or Mars pistol. This is necessary for the magazine to function with the claw-type pull-out extractor used in the PK design. The Type 73 has several other unique features, including a rifle grenade spigot and sights and a slip-on muzzle brake if rifle grenades are not necessary.
    Adopted in 1973, the Type 73 was only used for about 10 years before being replaced by the Type 82, a more direct copy of the PKM that only used belts. They were extremely rare in Western hands for many years, until a small number began recently showing up in the Middle East and North Africa. These most likely trace back to sale of Type 73s (and other arms) to Iran during the Iran-Iraq war in the 1980s, which are now being supplied to small pro-Iranian factions.
    Many thanks to the French IRCGN (Criminal Research Institute of the National Gendarmerie) for generously giving me access to film this exceptionally rare specimen for you! They maintain an extensive firearms reference collection as part of their mission to fight crime and international terrorism.
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  • @JohnRedacted
    @JohnRedacted 2 роки тому +2812

    I think this pretty easily settles the PKM vs FN MAG debate , neither one can launch rifle grenades , Type 73 reigns supreme

    • @sashimanu
      @sashimanu 2 роки тому +183

      But no bayonet lug--?

    • @azimisyauqieabdulwahab9401
      @azimisyauqieabdulwahab9401 2 роки тому +20

      British Belgian FN MAG, Russian Soviet PKM, American FN Minimi SAW

    • @JMiskovsky
      @JMiskovsky 2 роки тому +57

      @@sashimanu That is obviously missing feature:D

    • @509Gman
      @509Gman 2 роки тому +87

      PKM wins simply on weight. MAG is fantastically accurate for an open bolt system, but I speak from experience when I say it sucks to carry up and down mountains.

    • @ScottKenny1978
      @ScottKenny1978 2 роки тому +48

      @@509Gman crud, an M60E3 sucks to carry up and down ladders!

  • @wingshad0w00982
    @wingshad0w00982 2 роки тому +1440

    It’s just so very Ian that he goes to the French ballistic reference armory and the first thing he pulls out is a North Korean machine gun

    • @khaelamensha3624
      @khaelamensha3624 2 роки тому +50

      As a French I should not have to remember you the saying : we do nothing like the others, and the others do nothing like us😇 Regards from France 😉🇨🇵

    • @thelegendaryklobb2879
      @thelegendaryklobb2879 2 роки тому +23

      Just like when he filmed a video on a Gerat 06-H in Malta, totally unexpected

    • @jean-pascalesparceil9008
      @jean-pascalesparceil9008 2 роки тому +11

      We can count on Ian making more trips to this "collection" of firearms, there are about 12 000 different weapons and 700 000 cartridges: ua-cam.com/video/l1TjAmoxZz8/v-deo.html You can see that the shoulder insignia of these CSI bears a 1921 Thompson and a .45 auto case.

    • @khaelamensha3624
      @khaelamensha3624 2 роки тому +2

      @@jean-pascalesparceil9008 Merci pour le lien 🙏👍 Boyz! This place is an infinite supply of weapons for Ian! We gonna have so many videos!

    • @77gravity
      @77gravity 2 роки тому +14

      This is because he has a better collection of French firearms than they do. They visit HIM.

  • @Ezekiel_Allium
    @Ezekiel_Allium 2 роки тому +409

    Finally; true Kalashnibren
    Edit: the amount of clever little functional details crammed into the muzzle area of this gun is so cool, that won me over on this thing considerably

    • @Ghfvhvfg
      @Ghfvhvfg Рік тому +6

      The non jank version

    • @cucuawe465
      @cucuawe465 Рік тому

      Obviously the designer snort a high quality stuff not a cheap meth or a hookah

    • @rkadi6540
      @rkadi6540 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@Ghfvhvfgmore like the SFW version

  • @mateuszs6770
    @mateuszs6770 2 роки тому +1078

    Can't wait to see North Korean AK with helical magazine. If someone on youtube actually does that, it'll be Ian.

    • @Ironman1o1
      @Ironman1o1 2 роки тому +15

      Isn't that just a Bizon?

    • @JessZomb
      @JessZomb 2 роки тому +150

      @@Ironman1o1 Not exactly. The Bizon is a purpose built submachinegun with a helical magazine. The Aks that the NK soldiers lug around have this magazines... hang off the barrel a bit and probably don't work.

    • @fnym9rdsavsffdik9a25
      @fnym9rdsavsffdik9a25 2 роки тому +20

      @@JessZomb the magazines that i have seen tend to have a tiny ropes hanging arround them to keep them on the gun

    • @theme7363
      @theme7363 2 роки тому +68

      @@Ironman1o1 except it’s full size 5.45. it looks awesome and also terrifying and also like it jams like pb&j

    • @theme7363
      @theme7363 2 роки тому +10

      @@Ironman1o1 and it looks like it’s just. a mag they slap into regular AKs

  • @DeliberateNRandom
    @DeliberateNRandom 2 роки тому +196

    Ian: "How much to rent this apartment?"
    "Sir, this is a ballistics laboratory!"

  • @Markworth
    @Markworth 2 роки тому +205

    It's not perfect by a long shot, and that's why it's no longer in use, but you can certainly see why they tried. This is a really clever design.

  • @ContentsMayDiffer
    @ContentsMayDiffer 2 роки тому +170

    That stock is something else. It looks like something drawn by someone who is really good at straight lines, but unable to construct curves.

    • @fustigate314159
      @fustigate314159 2 роки тому +11

      It's pretty rough, isn't it?

    • @obsidianjane4413
      @obsidianjane4413 Рік тому +15

      It is shaped like that to hold the brushes and oil bottle in the compartment Ian couldn't get open (and probably hasn't been opened since leaving the factory).
      It does look like it was whittled with a dull knife though.

  • @rooster6461
    @rooster6461 2 роки тому +61

    “Dear leader, what capabilities would you like the new LMG to have?”
    “Yes”

    • @JMiskovsky
      @JMiskovsky 2 роки тому +4

      Sould it be belt fed or magazine fed? Yes

    • @rooster6461
      @rooster6461 2 роки тому +6

      @@JMiskovsky “should it have a muzzle break or a rifle grenade spigot?”
      “Yes”

  • @JohnHughesChampigny
    @JohnHughesChampigny 2 роки тому +227

    The mutant child of a Mars pistol, a PK and a vz 52/57
    Many clever features, horrible finish. Cool. Wonder how well it works.

    • @lunchpin403
      @lunchpin403 2 роки тому +25

      I think the finish adds character

    • @martinmurd4495
      @martinmurd4495 2 роки тому +15

      In all intents and purposes it is a PK. So, unless ammo or timing is suspect, it probably shoots when you pull a trigger.
      I still think that RPK would have been a better option :P

    • @KrisHandsome
      @KrisHandsome 2 роки тому +31

      Apparently North Korean guns work fairly well based on accounts of ones used in Vietnam. The finish might have something to do with how this one was found. The ones that make it to the west tend to be old and heavily used.

    • @krisskringle920
      @krisskringle920 2 роки тому +6

      looks more like an incest baby between a bren and a PK than anything else in my opinion

  • @khaelamensha3624
    @khaelamensha3624 2 роки тому +653

    As a French citizen, having made my tour of duty, I did not have a thousandth of the power to enter la Gendarmerie Nationale buildings compared to Gun Jesus 😂 Even not one millionth 🤣 Nice gun! Not every day we see a North Korean weapon! Soon we will learn that Ian has been invited by the great leader to present and test half the weapons of North Korea😇😁

    • @zendell37
      @zendell37 2 роки тому +31

      The great leader would if he believed his own propaganda.

    • @AshleyPomeroy
      @AshleyPomeroy 2 роки тому +85

      "I'm Ian McCollum, and welcome to Great Glorious Weapons of the Unstoppable Genius of Respected Comrade Kim Jong-un Weapons", and then he would review a 20mm anti-aircraft gun.

    • @bigboi7817
      @bigboi7817 2 роки тому +23

      dude he would. he hangs out with basketball players. Why wouldnt he want to hang out with Ian?

    • @ianfurqueron5850
      @ianfurqueron5850 2 роки тому +60

      This video and access to the reference collection also a very good example of why Ian strives to be as politically-agnostic with his online presence as possible.

    • @sammitra
      @sammitra 2 роки тому +9

      Everyone acknowledges gun jesus

  • @alancranford3398
    @alancranford3398 Рік тому +27

    I appreciated the ability of the American M249 to use M16 magazines because sometimes my unit didn't get belted ammo. One familiarization range my assistant instructor and I could only draw loose cartridges, no belts--the four guns I used to train the battalion with fired 3000 or so rounds from M16 magazines without a malfunction on the range. I was surprised.

    • @notimportant768
      @notimportant768 7 місяців тому +4

      As long as the magazines are in good condition that's fairly doable.
      Longer they wear the less reliable it gets and thats allegedly where the magazine feed not working comes from. Take it with a grain of salt though my friend never saw combat and those are words from his friend who had to worry about that.

  • @thegentlemenrat3727
    @thegentlemenrat3727 8 місяців тому +10

    Kim must have an awesome gun collection honestly

  • @geodkyt
    @geodkyt 2 роки тому +267

    Neat. I've long wanted to see the guts.
    The North Korean bolt group is interesting - I think the totally separate belt withdrawal hooks seem to be a good idea, making it easier to fix tension problems without having to deadline the gun and send it back to an actual armorer. You could just issue every gunner a spare hook in their spares tin.
    OTOH, I'm not sure about some of the simplified cuts. That squared off cut, for instance - I wonder what the failure rate of that part at that location, versus the Soviet rounded cut.

    • @azimisyauqieabdulwahab9401
      @azimisyauqieabdulwahab9401 2 роки тому +2

      Its a North Korean Bren or ZB 26 or PKM LMG

    • @Operator8282
      @Operator8282 2 роки тому +8

      Methinks that the EVERYTHING ELSE will fail before that bolt carrier. Several times. Sure, Square cuts invite stress cracking, but that portion of the bolt group looked to just be mass to keep things from banging rearward too much.

    • @andreww2098
      @andreww2098 2 роки тому +14

      they probably had problems with the heat treating of the feed claws, so they made it field replaceable to keep the gun in field when it broke during use

    • @Kr0noZ
      @Kr0noZ 2 роки тому +13

      @@andreww2098 which is smart and the soviets probably should have done the same. No heat treat procedure is 100% perfect and if a bad part sends the gun to the armory instead of doing a 2 minute swap-job there's room for improvement.

    • @andrewsuryali8540
      @andrewsuryali8540 2 роки тому +13

      @@andreww2098 That can't be the case because they can make normal PKs with the original claw design. What I think is happening is that the claws break more often because they are subjected to more resistance when pulling a round from a mag due to the friction from the mag's spring tension. Plus the claws might occasionally have to fight rimlock in the mag. You get neither from a Maxim belt.

  • @FJStefanelli
    @FJStefanelli 2 роки тому +60

    Shoots mags, belts, rifle grenades, have a bayonet socket (7:16).
    Fit shoots from a close bolt and put a scope, the N Korean had de ultimate squad weapon: LMG, assalt weapon and DMR.
    (It´s joke).

    • @JohnHughesChampigny
      @JohnHughesChampigny 2 роки тому +4

      Johnny Seven OMA -- ua-cam.com/video/hGhYbg3KVu0/v-deo.html (Was so pissed that my parents wouldn't buy me one).

    • @PassiveDestroyer
      @PassiveDestroyer 2 роки тому +8

      @@JohnHughesChampigny That would have been awesome growing up in the 90's.
      It's got all the guns in one! It's bullets fire the whole bullet- that's 40% more bullet per bullet!

    • @thelegendaryklobb2879
      @thelegendaryklobb2879 2 роки тому +1

      Does it fire bayonets?

    • @FJStefanelli
      @FJStefanelli 2 роки тому

      @@thelegendaryklobb2879 maybe that knife with hollow tangs...

  • @ReidMerrill
    @ReidMerrill 2 роки тому +313

    Guns that can use both feeding methods are always so cool. It's strange they haven't been more successful.

    • @pirig-gal
      @pirig-gal 2 роки тому +127

      Mechanical complexity and logistics?

    • @LiamNajor
      @LiamNajor 2 роки тому +26

      look at how big it is

    • @bannedbycommieyoutube5time920
      @bannedbycommieyoutube5time920 2 роки тому +90

      @@LiamNajor that’s what she said.

    • @rhubarbpie2027
      @rhubarbpie2027 2 роки тому +89

      The M249 SAW was/ is capable of using USGI M4/M16 mags but it's my (vague) understanding that feeding from mags was... problematic.

    • @_sp1r4L_
      @_sp1r4L_ 2 роки тому +41

      @@rhubarbpie2027 The IMI (or IWI) Negev does better with mags.

  • @knightofastora1324
    @knightofastora1324 2 роки тому +57

    Really cool to see guns this rare on the channel, forgotten weapons never disappoints

  • @nicholasstilley2370
    @nicholasstilley2370 2 роки тому +48

    I've always wanted to see a closer look at one of these

    • @krissteel4074
      @krissteel4074 2 роки тому +4

      Same, I've seen pics and read about them but first time I've seen it in any detail down to the nuts and guts. Its interesting to see the somewhat massive, crude construction compared to say, the purposeful, clever design of the Czech weapons or the lean, highly refined aspects of the Soviet era machineguns.

  • @nematic529
    @nematic529 2 роки тому +26

    5:14 you actually mixed up words here. 안전 is safe while 사격 is fire

  • @dillonc7955
    @dillonc7955 2 роки тому +79

    It's crazy how Czech LMG design was so good, that it made it all the way to North Korea.

    • @someweirdguyew9757
      @someweirdguyew9757 2 роки тому +5

      @@nickaschenbecker9882 That's why Parker and Stone made his character in Team America basically Cartman. They knew he was a film buff and would probably watch the movie.

    • @sanguinemoon9201
      @sanguinemoon9201 2 роки тому +4

      Czech made some of the best LMG's ever. It is no surprise. Even in this day of Glocks, I still carry a CZ. It is reliable, comfortable, and durable.

    • @LOL60345
      @LOL60345 2 роки тому +5

      north koreans even used captured german weapons, you can often spot k98s in their movies portraying the korean war.

    • @Rendo86
      @Rendo86 2 роки тому +1

      @@Stevie-J yes he was made to direct a Kaiju film called Pulgasari

    • @thecommunistloli1042
      @thecommunistloli1042 2 роки тому +2

      @du20💞 oh come fucking on why the fucking fucked fuck does a chanel like forgotten weapons gets fucking spam from a fucking bot? Why? Why the fucking fuck?

  • @dreamingflurry2729
    @dreamingflurry2729 2 роки тому +467

    Hm...I'd like to know how French police gets a hold of a North-Korean gun! Hell, a pistol I'd get...but an LMG? I'd truly like to hear that story!
    Great vid, Ian, great vid :)

    • @maximevincent4572
      @maximevincent4572 2 роки тому +115

      It's Gendarmerie, it's the military police not the civilian police, they are part of the army. Still i have no idea where they found a north korean weapon.

    • @dreamingflurry2729
      @dreamingflurry2729 2 роки тому +37

      @@maximevincent4572 MPs are still police - they just don't arrest peeps who aren't wearing uniforms (unless you are found entering military areas without permission) ;) - Yeah, still Frenchies having these is still strange!

    • @greycatturtle7132
      @greycatturtle7132 2 роки тому +1

      Ye

    • @zXPeterz14
      @zXPeterz14 2 роки тому +87

      Probably a trophy weapon confiscated from a soldier in mali or Afghanistan

    • @elijahaitaok8624
      @elijahaitaok8624 2 роки тому +17

      Quite likely from border skirmishes with South Korea

  • @PantherCat64
    @PantherCat64 2 роки тому +40

    You know, I've been trying to design essentially realistic future North Korean firearms for a project. My research has been uh... Well I doubt it's it's going to be accurate, but it might thought to be believable on the surface level to non-gun nerds.
    I've mostly been looking for the patterns the country seems to follow, I know there is one but I don't have the specifics yet.
    This helped out a bit. Thanks Ian.

    • @lobsterbark
      @lobsterbark 2 роки тому +7

      I'm sure you have already realized this from your research, but you have a lot of room to work right because the country is developing fairly fast. They seem to have reached the tipping point where they aren't reliant on imports for most technologies. So the best future has a lot of potential for fresh, native designed stuff.

  • @albertobernal2537
    @albertobernal2537 2 роки тому +8

    Wow, Ian sure does travel a lot lately! Great content. I'm finally understanding automatic feeding systems, a far cry from the bolt/receiverless type that I use to draw when I was a teenager back in the 90s with no access to internet sources, live gear or encyclopedia. His video library is worth watching multiple times! Just awesome.

  • @avroredgrave954
    @avroredgrave954 2 роки тому

    Some of the access you are starting to gain is just incredible! Thank you so much for bringing to us Ian👍

  • @italianduded1161
    @italianduded1161 2 роки тому +28

    Uuuuh nice, finally an explanation about this lmg, I’ve been always interested in it.

  • @Burningice7734
    @Burningice7734 2 роки тому +68

    I must say the North Koreans aren't stupid when it comes to firearms design I have a Vietnam Viet bring back North Korean SKS and it is one of the few SKS's besides the Russian and Chinese that actually uses a folding knife and not a spike folding bayonet. The Type 73 is also a fairly good looking design of course but by modern standards outdated a M240 with a 50 round pouch would do the same as that box magazine without out the added weight.

    • @NarcassiticGamer
      @NarcassiticGamer Рік тому +1

      Apparently the M240 is still heavier, I guess being based off a PK Machine Gun allowed it to have all that extra stuff bolted onto it without making it absurdly heavy, don't even want to think of how expensive to manufacture they are though.

    • @onlyhereformoney175
      @onlyhereformoney175 11 місяців тому

      ​@@NarcassiticGamerthe fluting would really be the most expensive part of it, maybe the muzzle brake thing

    • @quakethedoombringer
      @quakethedoombringer 6 місяців тому

      ⁠@@NarcassiticGamerIsn't the Fn Mag/M240 quirk is that it's fairly reliable and relatively inexpensive to manufacture?

  • @darthmartinez
    @darthmartinez 2 роки тому +42

    Its always cool to see a North Korean Gun. I once bid on a North Korean SKS that had the Grenade launcher hardware but sadly I didn't win.

  • @LAV-III
    @LAV-III 2 роки тому +12

    Never would I think to see an LMG that utilizes rifle grenades.

    • @axelkusanagi4139
      @axelkusanagi4139 2 роки тому +1

      One of the benefits of having it be mag-fed as well. You could load it with rifle-grenade blanks, disconnect the belt and slap a mag in there and fire up to thirty grenades before resuming direct fire

  • @revolverDOOMGUY
    @revolverDOOMGUY 2 роки тому +18

    The fact that North Korea used to produce the RP 47 kinda puts everything into prospective. Koreans probably wanted to continue having those small advantages that came with that platform, but in a better form.

  • @michaelblacktree
    @michaelblacktree 2 роки тому +123

    Wow, that has to be the most eclectic LMG ever. This is what happens when a dictator looks at his gun designer and says "make it do all the things!"

    • @ramiel01
      @ramiel01 2 роки тому +6

      It's amazing what you can achieve under the influence of a sword of Damocles and meth

    • @kizzmequik70four
      @kizzmequik70four 2 роки тому +7

      If the alternative is potentially death by anti-aircraft gun firing squad, you make things do all the things if your Dear Leader tells you to make things do all the things.

    • @pkake1319
      @pkake1319 2 роки тому +1

      Exactly what I was thinking. It's hilariously complicated, great that it's multifunctional but could you imagine trying to remove the brake and swap ammo to use a rifle grenade?

    • @marissafortunato7557
      @marissafortunato7557 2 роки тому

      Lol

    • @user-pt8og3ls5x
      @user-pt8og3ls5x Рік тому

      You wouldn't say that if you knew about the Korean-designed K11 rifle.

  • @VeritasPanther
    @VeritasPanther 2 роки тому +166

    Gotta wonders in what situations you'd need your base or fire to switch over from automatic fire to firing rifle grenades and how long / easy it is to switch between the modes.

    • @JohnHughesChampigny
      @JohnHughesChampigny 2 роки тому +51

      set gas plug to zero, take off flash hider, remove belt or magazine, flip up grenade sight, single feed blank cartridge (or load magazine of blanks?) push grenade on spigot, point, fire. Reverse whole procedure to get back to DAKKA mode.

    • @marvindebot3264
      @marvindebot3264 2 роки тому +30

      As John says and that lot should take you about 20 seconds if you have been keeping your gas block clean.

    • @gingergorilla695
      @gingergorilla695 2 роки тому +21

      You might use it for squad support, since, while AKs technically have rifle grenade capability, it is almost never used. But with this already being used as a support weapon, the designers may have thought to give the machine gun suppressive fire as well as explosive support. Just a guess, it could have just as easily been one of the Kim's saying they wanted it for the lulz.

    • @Tunkkis
      @Tunkkis 2 роки тому +3

      @@gingergorilla695 I'm not aware of AKs, outside of the Yugoslavians and some polish variants, having rifle grenade capabilities.

    • @VanderNugget
      @VanderNugget 2 роки тому +17

      I’m guessing it makes most sense if you have a squad of conscripts and the LMG gunner is the most trusted soldier already under direct control of the squad leader. N Koreans aren’t going to have many rifle grenades for the whole squad so they won’t want to waste them.

  • @MSUbulldog21
    @MSUbulldog21 2 роки тому

    One of the most awesome guns Ian has ever filmed IMHO. Fantastic video and incredibly interesting.

  • @jfakoggl
    @jfakoggl 2 роки тому +162

    I would have been immensely impressed, if you had started this video of that North Korean Type 73 LMG with the words:
    *I'm here at the development and test site of the Great Leader just outside of Pyongyang.....* ;o)

    • @andrewsuryali8540
      @andrewsuryali8540 2 роки тому +32

      And then Kim pops up behind him and says, "Don't forget to mention that grandpa was a gun guy. Oh, dad too!"

    • @ianfurqueron5850
      @ianfurqueron5850 2 роки тому +3

      That would be the Sat shooting video.

  • @machina_spirit
    @machina_spirit 2 роки тому +5

    Man I’m always fascinated by Ians logistics in these kind of videos. Mans just happened to have a spare legit russian PK bolt carrier group on hand to compare to the version in a rare North Korean gun lol. Amazing content as always, allowing us to see those difference side by side!

  • @misenplace8442
    @misenplace8442 2 роки тому +102

    I find it quite intriguing to see a fluted barrel on such a unit.

    • @JohnHughesChampigny
      @JohnHughesChampigny 2 роки тому +11

      Yeah, they were too lazy to do the lightening cuts on the inside, but decided the barrel was too heavy.

    • @JohnHughesChampigny
      @JohnHughesChampigny 2 роки тому +42

      @@8wayz2shine I very much doubt that North Korea cares about "patent infringement".

    • @michaelblacktree
      @michaelblacktree 2 роки тому +6

      I thought the fluting on the barrel was ironic, considering all the unnecessary weight added to the weapon. I'm willing to bet "dear leader" had a wish list, and the gun designer didn't want to disappear in the middle of the night.

    • @Bacteriophagebs
      @Bacteriophagebs 2 роки тому +23

      I suspect the fluted barrel is intended to improve cooling rather than reduce weight. Since accuracy isn't that big a concern on an LMG, there would be little reason not to just use a thinner barrel to save weight, but fluted barrels theoretically cool faster due to greater surface area.
      The use of flutes to save weight is for getting the stiffness of a heavier barrel without as much weight, which is only a concern with very accurate guns.

    • @gingergorilla695
      @gingergorilla695 2 роки тому +14

      The early PK's before the PKM modernization had those same flutes on the barrel

  • @samuelbrown3405
    @samuelbrown3405 2 роки тому

    I've been waiting for this video for a while now. Seriously, my curiosity as to how this thing works was killing me. I can now die happy.

  • @irisanuwu6113
    @irisanuwu6113 2 роки тому +1

    what a fascinating and feature-rich gun. i really enjoy the whole vibe of pretty ingenious ideas jammed into a old-school shell like the rpk.

  • @theronraam23
    @theronraam23 2 роки тому +11

    I always wondered why the North Koreans on the DVD case for "The Interview" looked to be holding Brens. Now I know why, cool!

  • @tommythechoochoo3502
    @tommythechoochoo3502 2 роки тому +8

    I honestly like what the North Koreans did with the bolt. It's easier to manufacture and easier to replace parts that might break, such as that extracter claw for the belt feed

  • @billshepherd4331
    @billshepherd4331 2 роки тому +2

    They did put a lot of thought into it.

  • @johnmcclain3887
    @johnmcclain3887 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks Ian, for a rather interesting, never seen before iteration of Korean firearms. I'm a retired Marine, a good bit of time in the middle east, and experience with "oddball guns", but never seen this before, and enjoyed the full presentation, the depth seldom seen or needed, but very complete, an incredibly intricate design that appears to be quite functional, as opposed to some others. I got to see a fair number of "full service weapons", but this one is more than "sorta out there". I've worked with RP's to some degree, and enjoy the cross-connection that is clear and obvious, very well presented and detailed. Thanks for bringing this out. Semper Fi, John McClain

  • @luckygunnerx30
    @luckygunnerx30 2 роки тому +4

    They really put alot of thought into this. Its pretty impressive

  • @jasonarcher7268
    @jasonarcher7268 2 роки тому +5

    That's a pretty good idea. As a 240 gunner, the belly bag and starter belt were pretty heavy. Especially awkward when you try bounding and moving on an objective. However, only if it actually works. The SAW doesn't like to feed from a box mag, without modifying the magazine first.

    • @SamHero_
      @SamHero_ Рік тому +1

      That's JUST the reason North Koreans made type 73 fitted for 30 round mags. In fact, machinegunners are required to load the 30-round magazine when marching, moving and guarding, and may determine to change to the second magazine or belt depending on the following situation.

  • @riadbensebti
    @riadbensebti 2 роки тому

    i waited for this video for so long , first time that i have seen this north k weapons , i was full of questions , thanks ian .

  • @scttewegner72
    @scttewegner72 2 роки тому

    Always cool and especially informative content. Thanks!

  • @spiritof78
    @spiritof78 2 роки тому +52

    Every Best Korea weapon are two purpose. The type 73 functions as both an anti infantry weapon and boat oar.

  • @justin764
    @justin764 2 роки тому +23

    Interestingly, these have been showing up in Africa and the Middle East. Back in the Cold War, North Korea used to send military advisors and aid to third world countries.

    • @andrewsuryali8540
      @andrewsuryali8540 2 роки тому

      I'm pretty sure they still do that. It's just that unlike back in the early CW when China needed every bit of military equipment they could get their hands on, nowadays China can outproduce them a million to one, so unless you're such a shithole not even China wants to deal with you, nobody needs to work with NK now.

    • @rzerizrz
      @rzerizrz 7 місяців тому +1

      i wonder how anyone got these, if they were rarely exported...

  • @IridiumRedTheOrigina
    @IridiumRedTheOrigina Рік тому +2

    I feel like this is, once again, a video that if Ian hadn't made it and put it online.... you wouldn't be able to see it anywhere (and if it was viewable elsewhere, it wouldn't be so thorough and detailed). IE, another treasure from Forgotten Weapons, thanks Ian :)

  • @gordlusty9316
    @gordlusty9316 2 роки тому +1

    Love the international flavor you always bring. Your interest in the history of the firearms of France reaps unique dividends for us all. The friendships you've developed in France from plain ol intellectual curiosity builds respect that goes beyond borders. Great cultures will give and receive great respect.
    ..or something like that....
    Well done man.

  • @tuganerf
    @tuganerf Рік тому +5

    Using the bolt to hold the belt feed claws is a very smart design feature. I imagine if eventually the claw suffers wear and tear and starts miss feeding. Maintenence is much simpler on the Popular Korean one

  • @austinwagner3231
    @austinwagner3231 2 роки тому +9

    Very cool, its rare that I see an objective commentary about North Korean affairs. Well done Ian

  • @Nikitos253
    @Nikitos253 2 роки тому

    Always was curious about this gun thank you for the video

  • @Bladerunner5434
    @Bladerunner5434 2 роки тому

    Very good video. Very cool machine gun for sure. The perfect example of a "forgotten weapon".

  • @ihcfn
    @ihcfn 2 роки тому +7

    Clever design, impressive.

  • @itsapittie
    @itsapittie 2 роки тому +26

    I'm impressed! It looks as if they thought of almost everything. It's not the first time a perfectly viable concept for a weapon or tool turned out to be something the soldiers didn't really care about.

    • @marciliojunior4919
      @marciliojunior4919 2 роки тому +2

      Yeah there are some really clever asset reutilization, the sights are also very practical (as much as offset sights can be) and its very robust, a bit overweight but i see nothing to make it work unreliably.

    • @Platinum_Squid
      @Platinum_Squid 2 роки тому +1

      Yeah I also thought it looked really cool. But then I’m more engineer than solider. It would be nice to see it in action or something and see where it didn’t function as well as other guns

  • @arthurbretas2003
    @arthurbretas2003 Рік тому +1

    This is now one of my favourite machineguns, so many cool "amenities" crammed into one package

  • @yt.602
    @yt.602 Рік тому

    Another great example of why Ian's work is so interesting as a living museum. Not only access to, but a breakdown of a firearm that uncommon.

  • @Swindle1984
    @Swindle1984 2 роки тому +20

    The Type 73 was supposedly replaced in North Korean service, but it still shows up in photos of Nork military exercises on a regular basis. And literally the only photo I've ever seen of it with a belt instead of a magazine is one from Syria, where it was also mounted on a tripod, something else I've never seen in Nork service.

    • @blackore64
      @blackore64 2 роки тому +9

      Yeah, If you look at pictures of North Korean troops, it's always this one that shows up, not the later Type 82. And sure, those may be reservists in old pictures, but that's awfully common for supposedly replaced weapon (especially when the other soldiers are armed with AK-74).

    • @cojjiri8720
      @cojjiri8720 2 роки тому +2

      North Korea has huge reserves and also the worker peasant army which is 8 million strong so they need slot of guns is probably out of service with the main KPA.

    • @allancastellon9248
      @allancastellon9248 Рік тому +1

      I don't think the DPRK can really afford to completely phase out surplus unless it actively loses them money tbh

  • @robertsloan2877
    @robertsloan2877 2 роки тому +9

    Putting a rifle grenade adaptor on an LMG is probably the most North Korean thing I've ever seen.

  • @stukafaust
    @stukafaust Рік тому

    Surprisingly sophisticated design! I like all the features.

  • @benwilliams909
    @benwilliams909 2 роки тому

    Great video as always Ian, I have been watching your videos daily now for at least a year, with your consistently quality (not to mention prolific) historical videos (I hate the word 'content;) I am definitely going to subscribe to your Utreon. This one was special though, really made me think about how the North Koreans with their surely limited military budget tried to fulfill 3 separate roles for one gun.

  • @chaothicday
    @chaothicday 2 роки тому +30

    double stack single feed 7.62r mag sounds like complete rimlock hell

    • @JohnHughesChampigny
      @JohnHughesChampigny 2 роки тому +14

      Since it pulls the cartridge out to the rear maybe it would have less problems with rimlock?

    • @ac1dP1nk
      @ac1dP1nk 2 роки тому +13

      Top feed mags are reliable

    • @RustedCroaker
      @RustedCroaker 2 роки тому +6

      @@ac1dP1nk Not if you use your gun upside-down.

    • @alijankhan3330
      @alijankhan3330 2 місяці тому

      This was the number one thing I thought when I saw this video, "weren't rimmed 7.62 × 54r rounds supposed to be problematic in high cap mags?" IIRC that's why the Dragunov mag was capped at 10.

  • @MandoWookie
    @MandoWookie 2 роки тому +8

    The rifle grenade launching feature almost makes sense, especially considering that the rest of the squad will be using 5.45 in their weapons, so if you want more power to extend the range you are launching it, use the only gun that uses full power rifle ammunition.
    But that brings into question the practicality of using the grenades in the first place, instead of a dedicated launcher if you are going to be limited to only one or 2 guns in the squad anyway.

    • @ScottKenny1978
      @ScottKenny1978 2 роки тому

      Or giving the rifle grenades to the DMR, who has a Dragunov or equivalent?

    • @F1ghteR41
      @F1ghteR41 2 роки тому +4

      @@ScottKenny1978 From what I've heard rifle grenades aren't good for the accuracy. Besides, I'm not sure if DPRK really makes SVDs of any sort.

    • @blackore64
      @blackore64 2 роки тому +7

      If the parade weapons are to be believed, they also seem to have dedicated Grenade-launching AKs, similar to Polish and Hungarian ones. Still, it is a weird feature to include on a weapon that's supposed to be a GPMG.

    • @ScottKenny1978
      @ScottKenny1978 2 роки тому

      @@F1ghteR41 I was actually expecting them to make a PSL clone, which is just an AK in x54R. But saying Dragunov gets the point across.

  • @KeggleStomp_Pogrompa
    @KeggleStomp_Pogrompa 2 роки тому +2

    That thing is so flippin cool! I’d love to see it at the range!

  • @opentheozon3
    @opentheozon3 2 роки тому

    Really good video!

  • @TheObso1337
    @TheObso1337 2 роки тому +24

    In terms of the belt feed claw.
    I reckon the North Koreans went to a simpler method of attaching it to the carrier specifically so that it could be replaced in the field. Getting the heat treatment on that part right is probably a challenge and it's a component that would likely get frequent parts breakage (or just enough wear to cause persistent malfunctions). Simple cheap fix is to make the part easy to swap in the field and treat it as a wear item.

    • @andrewsuryali8540
      @andrewsuryali8540 2 роки тому +2

      I don't think they had a problem with the heat treatment given that their NORMAL PK family guns are built exactly like Soviet PKs. My personal guess is that the claws are subjected to very different stresses when used with a mag, resulting in more parts breakage, and the Noko troops carrying this weapon are probably more likely to use it in mag mode.

  • @michaelathens953
    @michaelathens953 2 роки тому +33

    That really is a pretty cool hybrid sort of *kalashnibren" thing.

    • @pannenkoekspek
      @pannenkoekspek 2 роки тому +2

      You just thought of the perfect name for this thing. "Kalashnibren" is a great name for this beast

  • @AnotherOne-Retro-Paladin
    @AnotherOne-Retro-Paladin 2 роки тому

    Thank you for giving us a sight picture.
    I hope you'll keep this as good tradition.

  • @TR_P
    @TR_P 2 роки тому

    Extremely neat, great video.

  • @Tackleberry117
    @Tackleberry117 2 роки тому +6

    You know you're way into the weeds when looking at something north Korean sharing a quality with a Boberg

  • @marvindebot3264
    @marvindebot3264 2 роки тому +85

    This thing is so rare that every mention online says no details are available and no one has ever seen one up close (tho Wikipedia says the Sth Koreans have one) so chances are this is the only one in the west. No doubt it was aquired either in Iraq, fighting ISIS (who were delivered some) or in Africa.

    • @KrisHandsome
      @KrisHandsome 2 роки тому +15

      North Korea never sent guns to ISIS. A large number were bought and used by Iran back in the 1980s, and stocks of them have been in the region ever since. It seems that most of the ones being seen now were distributed by Iran to Iranian-backed groups fighting ISIS. Makes sense some organization from France would get one in for evaluation considering both France and it’s allies have encountered them.

    • @MrMevie
      @MrMevie 2 роки тому +7

      The DPRK has been making a decent bit of money selling arms to Syria in the past decade. Supposedly there is military advisors from North Korea in Syria as well.

    • @marvindebot3264
      @marvindebot3264 2 роки тому

      @@KrisHandsome Not directly no but trust me, some of the Iranian guns along with some sent to Syria need up in the hands of ISIS.

    • @KrisHandsome
      @KrisHandsome 2 роки тому +11

      @@marvindebot3264 Guns being sent by Iran to forces fighting ISIS and them being captured is very different from them “being delivered to ISIS”. It’s wholly different from what you are claiming.

    • @RA-ov5cw
      @RA-ov5cw 2 роки тому +1

      @@KrisHandsome Like the M4s with "property of the US Government" stamped on them being sold by some dudes close to Hezbollah in Lebanon. US sent weaponds to Israel, Israel fought with Hezbollah and Hezbollah ends up with a bunch of US military rifles.

  • @russwoodward8251
    @russwoodward8251 11 місяців тому

    A fascinating riff on the PK. Thanks.

  • @AnimeSunglasses
    @AnimeSunglasses 2 роки тому +1

    That barrel with its fluting and muzzle brake has a real great STAR WARS-y feel, I love it...

  • @stevenwestswanson9263
    @stevenwestswanson9263 2 роки тому +26

    Seems like a well made support weapon. Maybe a bit complicated but looks like it runs well.

    • @DenDodde
      @DenDodde 2 роки тому +8

      I pity the fool that have to walk around with it though. Also, runs on rims.

    • @allancastellon9248
      @allancastellon9248 Рік тому

      ​@@DenDodde honestly if it uses the mag and someone else is carrying the boxes it probably isn't too bad to lug around

  • @AlexLee-dc2vb
    @AlexLee-dc2vb 2 роки тому +5

    If we're getting more videos about North Korean guns I hope we get to see one of those AK-74s with helical drums

  • @Matt-xc6sp
    @Matt-xc6sp 2 роки тому

    I don’t know why but I love the way that muzzle break goes on over the barrel with lugs and stop pin like that.

  • @SarionFetecuse
    @SarionFetecuse 2 роки тому

    Thank you gun Jesus I love doing engineering work while listening to you! Very relaxing!

  • @Horizontalvertigo
    @Horizontalvertigo 2 роки тому +8

    And you can single load it when you run out of both mags and belts, Kim provides

    • @marvindebot3264
      @marvindebot3264 2 роки тому +2

      Dear Leader is #1!
      Can I have my potato now?

  • @Hysteria98
    @Hysteria98 2 роки тому +26

    This is such a fucking cool gun. A mix of ideas and Multi-purpose facets.

    • @gingergorilla695
      @gingergorilla695 2 роки тому +5

      It's a Frankenstein and it's beautiful because of it. Best Korea wins again lol

  • @Emibro
    @Emibro 2 роки тому

    Very nice and interesting video!

  • @earlyriser8998
    @earlyriser8998 2 роки тому

    great video on unique gun

  • @Bacteriophagebs
    @Bacteriophagebs 2 роки тому +11

    I suspect the fluted barrel is intended to improve cooling rather than reduce weight.

  • @hukama6911
    @hukama6911 2 роки тому +9

    kalashnibern is not real, it can't hurt you
    kalashnibren:

  • @Crangaso
    @Crangaso 2 роки тому +2

    Speechless. . . Absolutely beautiful!

  • @davidgoodnow269
    @davidgoodnow269 9 місяців тому

    A very unusual and very creative versatile design. A rare piece!

  • @robina6645
    @robina6645 2 роки тому +10

    Designer: Do you want it to be able to fire rifle grenades or have a plain muzzle brake?
    Kim Jong Il: Yes

  • @MAlanThomasII
    @MAlanThomasII 2 роки тому +3

    Reminded me of a Swiss Army knife with all of the options and nested attachments.

  • @warrenharrison9490
    @warrenharrison9490 2 роки тому

    So very cool for them to let you do this video.

  • @burninpowder8503
    @burninpowder8503 2 роки тому

    EXCELLENT CONTENT.

  • @jirja3192
    @jirja3192 2 роки тому +6

    It's kinda weird since original vz.52 machinegun was supposed to be a SAW or LAW type of machinegun using intermediate cartridge and same magazine as assault rifle. We all know in 1950's this idea hit a wall when Soviets ordered us to remake all guns for their ammo and vz.52/57 couldn't use same magazines as vz.58, machinegun version of vz.58 failed and at the end Czechoslovakia ended up using UK vz.59 universal machinegun which was a good gun but it was not a SAW...
    Now it just looks like Kim wanted to have machinegun with both belt and magazine just because it looks cool...

  • @TheRogueWolf
    @TheRogueWolf 2 роки тому +44

    "What if we copied a bunch of _good_ ideas?" - an unknown North Korean gunsmith

    • @khaelamensha3624
      @khaelamensha3624 2 роки тому +6

      Or leader 😂

    • @fabiogalletti8616
      @fabiogalletti8616 2 роки тому +3

      @@khaelamensha3624 yeap, more a "I want a machine gun with this bunch of good ideas! Or else..." with some NK gunsmiths shaking around.

    • @willistuttle966
      @willistuttle966 2 роки тому

      Yes. Put them all in the same gun.

  • @jonathanvoigt2690
    @jonathanvoigt2690 2 роки тому

    Super interesting gun and great video as always! Although the finish isn't amazing, there's allot more intricate machining then I would have expected for this type of weapon and its country of origin, especially on the front gas block and muzzle brake retainer area.

  • @wasdwazd
    @wasdwazd 2 роки тому +1

    Well, that's one of the coolest machine guns I've ever seen!

  • @fredericlepeltier3435
    @fredericlepeltier3435 2 роки тому +4

    Even if the dual "magazine/belt" feed system is a better idea on paper than in practice, i have to give credit to the north korean. A hole in the feed cover and a magazine that present the round in at the same position as the belt does, simple, sleek and it works!
    The only problem is that what you want is to be able to use the same mags as the rest of the squad, not a specific type of mag that the MG gunner has to carry in surplus with the belts!.
    That exemple most likely found its way from the three frontier region (Mali-Niger-Burkina-Faso) where the French army operates.

  • @a.p.2356
    @a.p.2356 2 роки тому +4

    That muzzle break contraption is actually really clever.

  • @RockeyDAproductions
    @RockeyDAproductions Рік тому +1

    this thing is so damn cool. that mag is a mind blower!

  • @lunchpin403
    @lunchpin403 2 роки тому

    This is fascinating, probably one of the most interesting firearms you've showcased so far. I wonder how the mag feed system stacks up to the minimi/m249's mag feeding

  • @BurtSampson
    @BurtSampson 2 роки тому +3

    Putting a GL onto a light machine gun actually kind of makes sense. In an assault they're going to set up behind the assault to provide suppressive fire, so why not also let them launch basically little mini mortars in support as well.

  • @apethae1
    @apethae1 2 роки тому +40

    Question for you Ian - since the North Koreans have their own calendar year (if I recall it's dated since the birth of Kim Il Sung, with a similar sentiment as we do the BC/AD split), why do guns like the Type 73/Type 82 refer to the Western calendar year? Or is that an artifact of our translation of their NK designations to Western equivalents?

    • @KrisHandsome
      @KrisHandsome 2 роки тому +26

      I find the claim that they widely use a wholly different calendar year doubtful, but regardless guns like this tend to get their widely known western designation from the DoD or NATO. It’s the same reason the Chinese QBZ-95 is also called the Type 95 a lot. We tend to forgo any local designation and instead call things Type-year.

    • @ScottKenny1978
      @ScottKenny1978 2 роки тому +12

      @@KrisHandsome crud, the _Japanese_ do.
      They restart counting the years every time a new Emperor takes over.
      So I assume that the Norks do the same thing. "5th year of Il-Sungs leadership" or equivalent.

    • @elyssia_wow169
      @elyssia_wow169 2 роки тому +30

      They use a dual system like the Japanese, western calendar is not a mythical beast in NK

    • @farhanamsyar2217
      @farhanamsyar2217 2 роки тому +1

      @@ScottKenny1978 The Japanese didn't use Emperor years to designated their weapons though. Post-war Japanese weapons use AD years for its designation (1989 in Type 89 rifle, 1964 in Type 64), while before their defeat in WW2 they used Imperial years (2599 in Type 99 rifle, 2604 in Type 4 rifle)
      Similiar system would be the ROC years (Minguo 24 in Type 24 rifle)

    • @farhanamsyar2217
      @farhanamsyar2217 2 роки тому

      @@KrisHandsome it's called Type 95 because its official designation is "Type 95 Automatic Rifle". US intelligence usually used "M-year" (M stands for "model") for unknown foreign weapons, as in the NK's M-1978 "Kosan" SPG

  • @alexm566
    @alexm566 2 роки тому

    I just noticed you crossed one billion views, congratulations!

  • @F1ghteR41
    @F1ghteR41 2 роки тому

    That's a very rare gun to find indeed, glad you covered it! And I would say that it looks to be a well thought-out design, especially given the requirements.
    5:07 DPM, not DP.
    11:22 Is uses a later style of belt used with PM 1910/30 variant, and also SG-43 and SGM, so by the time of the adoption of PK it was a well-established standard from a logistics point of view.
    19:40 Well, in terms of numbers Minimis and Negevs are quite abundant. A better way to put it would be to say that this concept isn't as popular with newer LMGs.