JOKER - VOICE COMPARISON: Mark Hamill vs. Tim Curry (with recreated music and SFX)
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- Опубліковано 28 лют 2023
- Greetings, folks! Today I drop a comparison I've whipped together of Mark Hamill's Joker vs. the original Tim Curry's Joker voice, before he was replaced.
A couple years ago, we finally got clean audio provided by WB of what Tim Curry's Joker voice sounded like. However, I find that it's best to compare when the audio is under the same conditions - so here is the most authentic comparison currently on the internet!
You'll also notice that Tim Curry's line sync up MUCH better to the lip movement in each scene, since they were originally animated over his lines for his first 3-4 episodes.
Greetings, folks! Today I drop a comparison I've whipped together of Mark Hamill's Joker vs. the original Tim Curry's Joker voice, before he was replaced.
A couple years ago, we finally got clean audio provided by WB of what Tim Curry's Joker voice sounded like. However, I find that it's best to compare when the audio is under the same conditions - so here is the most authentic comparison currently on the internet!
You'll also notice that Tim Curry's line sync up MUCH better to the lip movement in each scene, since they were originally animated over his lines for his first 3-4 episodes.
I’m confused, why did they have to completely dub it over?
@@keithtorgersen9664 Producers didn’t like Tim’s take, but also Tim was suffering from bronchitis.
So they wanted someone different going forward, and thus redubbed Tim’s 3 episodes with the new voice (Hamill’s) for consistency (Christmas with the Joker, Be a Clown, and Last Laugh)
@@thehamillwholaughs oh, ok, thanks for the clarification. I was super confused thinking that Mark Hamill had been the one who was replaced in modern times.
I saw a panel with Kevin Conroy. He said something along the lines of Tim Curry’s joker was too scary, and WB was worried about kids watching it
@@thehamillwholaughsTHAT'S IT! I thought something sounded off with his voice! I've heard Tim Curry give some great performances, but something just didn't sound right with his Joker takes. A shame, though, I could've seen him pulling off a good Joker.
Curry's Joker is definitely creepier and would be good in a movie for older kids but Hamill's Joker will forever be in my heart, he can be creepy, goofy, insane and even sometimes cute. And Marks laughter is just gold
Yeah, even though Mark Hamill's voice and performance sound and feel superior, being both comedic and terrifying, Tim Curry still did a terrific job, in fact his take on the Joker sounds almost Jack Nicholson-esque and seems even more align with Nicholson's take on the character. Perhaps maybe that's why he was chosen to voice Joker, since the series was more inline with the Movie/film it made sense to have the voice actor sound Similar to Nicholson.
Tim Curry SHOULD have voiced Fire Lord Ozai in Avatar: The Last Airbender than Mark Hamill. Because Ozai is just a straight up absolute jerk, all the way
Yeah but the joker always loses to Batman every time
I can't imagine curry's joker voice being suitable for anything other than a middle age mob boss. It lacks the humor of Hammil's joker
@@shawnwarrynn8609 mArk HAMill
I don't think Curry is bad at all honestly, we're just so conditioned to Hamill now that we can't unhear him and it sounds strange to our ears in comparison. Curry was playing it a little more menacing, threatening, but Hamill always played it more jovial, sarcastic, childlike.
yeah I agree, I respect Curry's take, but ironically hearing it now, while more meanacing he sounded more like a clown.
Pretty much :) I mean, it's Tim Curry!
Disagree, Hamill mastered switching between jovial and sinister Joker. I love Tim Curry as much as the next guy but his performance was lacking here in the inflections and the tone. The whole series would have been a very different animal if he had continued on, especially as much of the Joker moving forward was written with Hamill in mind after he nailed the part.
it's his first time being joker so he's not gonna get it perfect the first time
Disagree Hamill is just better. His laugh completely overshadows Curry who’s just doing…well god knows what.
I love Tim curry but Mark Hamill was born for this role
Me too.
Exactly
I wonder what would have happened if Mark Hamill ever decided to try acting in films... ;)
It almost as if the Force chose him for that role.
@@Zanshinkyonah no one would ever cast him. It’s not like he’s gonna be in a movie a movie about him saving his sister from they’re father who just so happens to be a space pirate
Tim sounds like a Gangster with a demented sense of humor
Mark sounds like a man who genuinely believes the whole world is his toy chest
Both are terrifying but for different reasons
I guess that's how Curry interpreted him 🤣
A gangster's goon is more like it.😅
“Tim sounds like a Gangster with a demented sense of humor”
Sooo…. Jack Nicholson’s version of the Joker?
Everyone is a good joker here
@@ryanhoule4415Which reflects better the original version of the joker. But all of them are good.
Hamill's random pitch changes is what makes the voice so iconic.
YES. agreed! his range, too, is just incredible!
yes... makes it sound crazier.. and his laugh is iconic
Tim Curry's Joker is terrifying! I understand why they re-cast the part for a children's cartoon villain, though I wish we saw Curry's Joker in some older rated Bat content!
Yeah, and even though Mark Hamill's voice and performance sound and feel superior being both comedic and terrifying, Tim Curry still did a terrific job, in fact his take on the Joker sounds almost Jack Nicholson-esque and seems even more align with Nicholson's take on the character. Perhaps maybe that's why he was chosen to voice Joker, since the series was more inline with the Movie/film it made sense to have the voice actor sound Similar to Nicholson.
I absolutely love Tim Curry's joker voice, but it really is impossible to compete with Hamill's joker laugh, easily now the most iconic sound in all Batman media.
I found it the exact opposite of terrifying.
If only DC animated the Battle for the Cowl plotline (Rick becomes Batman after Bruce dies) and casted Tim for that Joker. Sometime in 2007.
Terrifying? What are you smoking?
Tim Curry here is perfectly fine. I think Hamill has the range needed to pull Joker off a lot better though. Curry sounds less manic and gleeful, which is what the Joker is pretty much supposed to be at all times.
Ironically, Tim Curry who`s British voices Joker with more of a Noo Yawk/American accent(Albeit not quite the same type he did for Pennywise ironically enough)whilst Mark Hamill who`s American voices him with more of a British/Mid-Atlantic accent which subsequently voice actors after Mark have tried to imitate to varying extents of success and failure.
The closest was Troy Baker. The man didn't just nail the accent, he's arguably the actor who got the closest to hitting the tone of voice Hamill gave in his rendition's inflections.
The New Yorker voice doesn't really fit his Joker, though; the British refined voice fits Joker cause he sees himself as having more class than everyone in the room while laughing his ass off at their misery.
I keep rewatching, but I don't hear any British accent coming from the Joker
@@JoeBob189Because Britain has more Accents then just cockney
Contrary to popular belief, Tim Cury wasn't re-casted because he was "too scary" as the voice of the Joker.
He was replaced because the producers thought that the Joker's voice needed to be unique, and convey emotion even through simple laughs. And while Tim could probably nail that emotion part given the chance, his voice could be heard basically everywhere by the 1990's, from Captain Planet to Tiny Toon Adventures, and he had frequent roles as villains already... whereas Mark Hamill was relatively lesser known by that point, at least until B:TAS.
He also had bronchitis at that time, that rendered him unable to perform.
Mark Hamill did play as a villain in the late 80's Flash. I think the character was the Jester. Who was a 2nd rate Joker. Even did a cameo in the current the Flash on CW.
Well, Mark Hamill’s Joker does sound “unique”, even though it reminds me more of Caesar Romero’s Joker.
@@briansmith48 I believe you mean... The TRICKSTER
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nah that is nonsense they got hamil because he is a skywalker
Then again, aside from Luke, Mark mostly played bit parts in film and television before becoming Joker.
Tim Curry's version keeps reminding me of the movie IT.
That's likely because he played the Character It in the first movie.
It’s giving me flashback
“AHAUGH I’ll drive ya crazy, AND ILL KILL YOU ALL!”
Damnit, I’d repressed that childhood trauma. Thx mate.
We all float down here Batman
Okay, hear me out on this: When Curry is voicing Joker, he almost sounds like John DiMaggio, who actually did voice the Joker too. I like both performances from Hamill and Curry as well.
That's exactly who I thought of too, like a diabolical Bender lol
i totally agree! he sounds like bender from futurama!
@@AlphaStoutland_”like a diabolical Bender”_
So like a regular Bender?
Mark Hamill is the BEST! 1:16 I laughing when Joker falling with Hamill's scream!🤣🤣🤣🤣
They should have recast Tim as another villain in this series, because this voice could work so well with another villain, like the Riddler or the Penguin at parts
Personally I would have cast Curry as the Mad Hatter.
Might just be Gargoyles on the brain, but I feel like he could have been good as Dr. Dorian, one of many BTAS scientists who made furries real, but the only one to act deliberately.
Or maybe Scarecrow.
@@eamonndeane587 Nobody could have been good as the great Roddy McDowall as TAS's Mad Hatter. And to prove my point, they never re casted the character in the TAS universe after he passed away back in 98.
For his other notable roles which you may have seen him in, Andrew the Butler in Overboard(which I also think he was a producer), Peter Vincent in Fright Night and Cornelius/freaking Caesar from the original Planet of the Apes series.
He could be a good Two Face as i could tell
I think hearing Currie’s performance makes me realize why some people think his voice sounds so menacing: it’s because it always sounds menacing even when he’s not meant to be. When he’s supposed to be, it really is but when he’s meant to be funny he just sounds like a demented clown. Given he played Pennywise only a year before these recordings, that might have something to do with it. Mark Hamill being funny is full of charm and fun and lures you into a false sense of security, thus when he does become scary it’s more impactful. But that’s just me.
He sounds like a low rent goon. Not sure why anyone's pretending it's scary.
One thing I'll say... Is that the Joker has a surprising "brute" streak to him... He's exceptionally strong and brutish, and this can actually be seen in his facial expression, specifically in his eyebrows line. So Curry's voice in some way fits better to how the character is actually drawn...
I think if they slimmed down the Joker ever so slightly and adjusted the face just a bit, it would fit Hamill better. But on the other hand, it only makes the Joker's bouts of fisticuffs all the more surprising when we see them, it's less expected when hearing it from Hamill's voice
I think Tim’s joker sounds more like the Jack Nicholson version because of the deeper voice
Yeah, perhaps maybe that's why he was chosen to voice Joker, since the series was more inline with the Movie/film it made sense to have the voice actor sound Similar to Nicholson. And Tim Curry did terrific job, in fact his take on the Joker sounds almost Jack Nicholson-esque and seems even more align with Nicholson's take on the character.
@@shawnwarrynn8609 the series wasn't intended to be "in line" with the film though. It was just the studio execs telling Timm and co. "We want this character to be closer to the movie blablabla".
@@shawnwarrynn8609but what they told Mark Hamill on his first day was not to be Nicholson
Tim Curry had just gotten ivermectin bronchitis. A good casting director will look past that and more into what the actor is trying to convey in their interpretation. When picking an actor it’s more important to find someone with new ideas or whose ideas coincide with the directors and producers. Having a great audition performance is fine, but it’s less important than the things I just mentioned.
@@undertakernumberone1while what you're saying is technically accurate, it's missing the mark. The film did heavily influence much of the designs and overall thematics of the TAS. It's just that it was ok not to be 1:1 in line with the film
Mark Hamill's acting is so versatile. Tim Curry is fine, but I think he did to the character and to the fans a great favor by leaving the role.
It would've been fun if later down the line Tim would've played Joker from an alternate timeline fighting against the one we know and love. Tim and Mark in the same room. I don't think I would've survived if something like that happened.
I think one should keep in mind that voice actors rarely nail the voice right out of the gate and need couple of episodes to find it, so it's not entirely fair to write Curry off based solely on this.
But, ultimately, recasting with Hamill was no doubt the right call.
Tim Curry's voice is fine. But Mark Hamill's voice suits Joker just perfectly!!
To be honest, Mark Hamill's Joker owes *A LOT* to Tim Curry. Remember the *structure* of the performance is Tim Curry's. In subtle ways, the Joker's sort of British accent comes from Curry, the way he bounces up and down between being low and intimidating and high and cheerful. The way the Joker gets angry and bounces back. Just the general flamboyant nature of him, I think is very specifically from Curry.
So it's not really a case of either or.
imo that was down to them both receiving the same stage direction, I seriously doubt Mark listened to Tim's performance at any point before recording his lines - that's just not how this stuff works.
Yes he would have. He had to ADR the episodes Tim Curry recorded. Which were animated to Tim Curry's performance.
Ok, Tim and Mark both sound awesome. Mark's a more animated and we're all accustomed to hearing him. But Tim's voice is darker and a bit more intimidating to a degree. Honestly, Tim would have been awesome.
Absolutely awesome to see this comparison, they both give stunning performances as the character but are very distinct from each other. I like it.
Tim’s voice is good and fits in the dark series. However I remember as a kid always being happy when Mark Hamills Joker came on. He brought a lightheartedness to BTAS which was missing.
Hamill did a good job of showing the lunatic side. Joker could be lighthearted but also very menacing, and Hamill's laugh was able to portray that perfectly.
It’s not that Curry is bad. (Love Tim Curry) it’s that Mark is so good!
It is bad he's better as Pennywise
BOTH WORK SO WELL!
I'm glad we finally got some footage of Tim Curry doing the Joker. I personally believe that he would've been great
I didn't realise the voices were swapped. I always wondered why the Joker's lips didn't sync properly when I was a kid! They were drawn to Curry's performance!
Thank you very much!
Mark Hamil has it spades when it comes to voicing the Joker! He IS THE JOKER! He was born for this role!!!
I think Curry would have been great if he didn't end up getting sick and Mark stepped in and became Joker.
At first it's bizarre after years of hearing Hamill to hear what Tim would have sounded like but honestly kinda grows on you and makes me glad this audio was found.
Imagine. In an alternate universe Tim Curry doesn't get sick, voices Joker and replays him over and over much like Mark has and is forever associated as the best Joker
What a nice comparison
Wow! Both sound great and yet so different.
I would love to see more of Tim as the Joker, especially more of his creepier moments that Kevin spoke about
Tim’s Joker you can fully imagine has done irredeemable, atrocious acts. There’s a more sinister, unhinged edge.
I love Mark’s but would love to see the alternate universe where Tim was given some of the dark lines the Joker got in Arkham Knight.
Curry has voiced dozens of our favorite childhood villains. Mark has voiced the best one. They're both excellent at what they do, and I'm glad history played out the way it did.
Mark is the voice of Joker, just like the late Kevin Conroy was the voice of Batman. Both are irreplaceable. It's difficult to get used to different people doing these 2 characters.
Tim Curry did good at voicing Joker, especially since he is one of the top voices for cartoon villans
I think in a Mark Hamil interview he said the voice was based off of what Tim had done. I could be totally wrong so dont quote me but its cool that Tim Curry's was like the prototype joker voice.
I much prefer Mark's. He knows Madness and how to convey it. That's why he's the perfect fit for SkekTek as well.
Same here. I prefer Mark’s too. He knew how to keep the balance between madness and playfulness. Tim seemed like he didn’t know where to go with the role
I just realized that one of the reasons Mark's joker is so good is because he sounds so empathetic. We almost wanna root for him and his laugh is contagious.
Tim Carry's performance here sounds like a deranged lunatic that feels more realistic and like someone you really wouldn't want to be around. Sounds more insane but less funny.
I noticed with alternative versions of the pilot episode of Inspector Gadget, Jesse White was in the credits and the version with him as Inspector Gadget is still waiting to be released, so Gary Owens was the first one released before the series and later, in syndication, Don Adams himself who was respectively cast as Inspector Gadget had re-voiced all the dialogue from Gary Owens
Fun fact.
Tim Curry later voiced Emperoe Palpatine in clone wars. While Mark Hammil played Luke Skywalker.
Tim Curry is better as pennywise but mark Hamill is the joker
Agreed.
Yep
they are both the best versions of those respective characters. it's beautiful
I loved it
=O Always wondered what he'd sound like after hearing. o.o Interesting stuff.
Tim Curry's voice here feels like what Benedict Cumberbatch did with The Grinch. Not nearly the voice you'd expect and hope him to use.
Both masterful
Interesting that Tim Curry voiced the Joker at one point, considering he’s also the OG Pennywise
That's why he initially got the part, he was also on the shortlist for Joker in the 1989 Batman movie if Jack Nicholson ultimately turned it down, along with John Glover and John Lithgow.
@@RandomAccessDreamsthe same John Glover that played Lionel Luthor in Smallville?
@@BlackPuma124 One and the same, Glover was actually Tim Burton's personal #1 choice to play Joker.
I love them both ❤
Mark Hamill by far! Just epic voice-acting.
Tim does a pretty decent Joker voice, but Mark is on a whole other level and fits Jokers personality a bit better imo.
I think both are equally amazing
Crazy. I had no idea. I can't really recognize Tim's voice, he does a great job at creating a unique identity compared to how we usually hear him.
I appreciate curry's efforts. But I can see, why they went for mark in the end. The laugh is just too iconic.
They are both legendary!!!!
We need this back
I mean they're both iconic. Like Tim Curry is a crazy good actor. So while I do love Mark Hamill's voice more i perfectly enjoy Tim Curry.
Both are pretty good!
That is so amazing to have that. I really think we are on our way to a future where you could choose your actors, or at least chose from some assortment of actors and watch the movie with someone that has gotten older but they are now portrayed as young. You could have Tom Selleck as Indiana Jones, as was intended, or just replace someone because you want to watch the movie, but you don't like the main actor (I-Robot w Will Smith). But having on record an alternative voicing is real similar. THey could do even more of that with a 16:9 re-release of Batman, "The Animated Series".Get a bunch of big names that want to play. Imagine changing between Tommy Lee Jones, Brad Pitt, & Tom Hardy for the same bad guy and then using any of the guys that ever played Batman.
For some reason he reminds me of Dimaggio. The animation fits the synchronization of Tim Curry's voice much more, but I assume the character was animated based off Curry's performance at that time. You can hear his performance is hit-or-miss.
mark hamills always sound happy and enjoying everything. tim currys sound like some dark gruelling mocking guy
I heard other actors. But the historical run of Mark Hamill made him the The Joker for life for me ! 👁️
Tim Curry is a fantastic VA in almost any role, but Mark Hamill owned this one so hard it will be stencilled upon his tombstone as no-one else's property. We got a load of him and no-one else measured up in the animated 'verse.
Curry's Joker almost comes across like if DiMaggio's Joker had the (relative) whimsy of BTAS' Hamill Joker.
Not DCAU Joker as a whole since he got more plainly sinister over time, but specifically this early era Hamill Joker.
1:01 You just can't beat that laugh.
Both are legends
They are both great
Both legends
Mark Hamill: classic joker
Tim Curry: joker after going to a linkin park concert
Both of them are fabulous...but I am not going to chooseone because I love both those guys.
I knew mark Hamill voicing the joker 🃏 but, I didn’t know Tim curry was his first choice.
I love Tim Curry in pretty much everything, but i could never see him playing the Joker. Mark Hamills Deliveries were on point and that laugh was unmatched.
I feel like Curry was trying to play a more goofy Joker than Hammil's. Had he known how dark the series was going to get, I feel like he would have played it darker. Would have loved to have heard some Return of the Joker stuff read by him.
Tim Curry is on the John DiMaggio diet apparently
Fun fact: Andrea Romano, who was the casting director, said she would have never recast Tim Curry as the Joker, but there was one producer on the show that just didn't like the performance, so they did recasting and found Mark.
It comes down to the laugh. Although I love Curry’s laughs in other things too so he likely would’ve been totally great too when he’s going full Curry.
Hamill with the demented Bozo voice throughout really cemented him. I like the last two on Curry cuz it has that same energy.
Curry did good with the sinister lines, but the goofier lines just didn't work for me.
Thanks for sharing. The length of time feels a bit odd to me on the Tim Curry ones. Like he was spacing his words in a way that normal people do not.
These recordings definitely dispel the rumor that Tim Curry was replaced for being too scary. However I also feel it took both the writers and Hamill a few episodes to hit their stride with the character. I found him a bit to goofy at first. I’d say Jokers Favor was the first great Joker centric episode
And although unconfirmed, I’ve always felt confident that must have been the first episode produced entirely with Hamill’s lines.
Last Laugh, Be a Clown, and Christmas With the Joker were certainly originally Tim Curry though.
Apparently the first episode with Hamill was The laughing fish.
I've heard it was because he caught bronchitis and couldn't make it to the recording booth but idk
@@martinefrensoquigomez7835 if that is the case it was definitely a blessing in disguise. I don’t think Tim Curry is even a bad choice. I think his vocal performance is more of an indication that the team working on the show hadn’t figured out the right direction for the Joker as he felt too goofy for his first couple episodes. Starting with Jokers Favor, they found the right balance of funny but menacing. Even Hamill wasn’t at his best for those first couple of appearances
That's what they said about Tim Curry as Judge Doom; that he was too scary. I'm not hearing it here though. Mark Hamill blows him out of the water in terms of a threatening and dark Joker.
Tim Curry is a great actor but he just focused on making the Joker sound buffoonish and it doesn't blend in with the tone and atmosphere of the show. He sounds like he's doing his take on the Adam West days of Batman or something.
Let each actor get their own clown role
Mark Hamil - the Joker
Tim Curry - Pennywise
I have a bias towards Mark Hamill's Joker voice. It's so iconic to me because I grew up listening to him voice the Joker while watching the show.
Curry’s voice fits the dramatic beats very well
I think I've identified what it is that makes Hamill's take so much more sucessful than Curry's, and it's something Hamill himself has mentioned. He's said how he treated the Joker's laugh and voice (which is largely inspired by Claude Raines as the titular character of Universal's THE INVISIBLE MAN) almost like a musical instrument. There's so many peaks and valleys in pitch in Hamill's Joker voice, like he's one step removed from singing every line, and it's a distinctly clown-like effect that really sells the Joker's chief gimmick.
well... this is surprising, that's a voice i'd never expect coming out of time curry... though i think he would've made a fine joker.
Tim Curry’s voice sounds like it would’ve fit right in in the 60s cartoons!
Curry really does sound vocally atrained in these takes. I've heard claims that he was sick at the time, which is what this sounds like. Hamill definitely gives a stronger performance in this video.
aha, the excellent "you killed captain clown" episode! i loved this episode as a kid.
Can someone release a full length version of the Batman episode with the Tim Curry voice of Joker now please!?❤🎉
As much as I love BOTH of these actors, Hamill's joker is just so unique and you cant deny his laugh
As much as I love Mark as the Joker, I'm so in love with Tim Curry's Joker! It's a shame DC didn't give him a chance to play the role again before his stroke.
As much as we all love, Mark Hamill, I think Tim Curry was not that bad. He definitely had the same type of energy. I believe that Mark Hamill had. But we all know that Mark Hamill will always be the goat of joker voices. But when I first clicked on this video, I wasn’t sure what to expect from Tim Curry‘s voice of joker, but I was happily surprised that he did pretty good, I thought. But I will be happy that the crew of the Batman animated series chose Mark Hamill.
Not bad both sound really good
Mark Hamil, an American plays his joker with a transatlantic accent
Tim Curry, who is English, plays his joker with a standard American accent.
I was expecting more pennywise, but I also think we see this face with mark’s voice so when we hear Tim speak it just sounds wrong
I don't know if it's cause I never grew with animated batman, but I don't have that nostalgia going for it. Maybe I also love sinister and menacing stuff, kinda like dafoe green goblin. I love how Curry makes the voice deeper, and his laugh is so good, it's crazy, unhinged, creepy, almost as if his completely insane and mad. I see why they changed tho cause Hamill is more appealing and kid friendly
Tim Curry's voice actually seems to suit Joker better, but Mark Hamil is the one I love.
Don’t make me choose! It’s Tim Curry and Mark Hamill!
Curry's Joker is more sinister sounding. But Hamill gave his a more clown like voice that belies his sinister edge. Either would've worked, but Hamill will always be my Joker.
Curry for an older Joker, and Hamil for prime age Joker