I think the problem with Jerod Leto's Joker is that it wasn't written like the Joker, this Joker was written like a gangster trying to do a Joker impression without ever having seen any media that includes the character
Yep this version of joker should of been written the opposite way around, it should of been the Joker cos playing as a gangster instead just because he can but it also serves a purpose for later 💯
I thought I was so smart when I thought this was going to be a fake out. I sincerely thought Jared Leto's Joker was going to actually be an imposter trying to ride off the street cred and power of The Joker who would be slayed by the real Joker maybe halfway through the movie.
Actually kinda works tbh even with past comics. Kinda sorta like the 3 Joker comic storyline in away. Since we've as far as I know haven't seen that dynamic on the big screen yet.
Joker LOVES Batman. Like I actually think he's in love with him. So I wouldn't put it past him. Lol he pretty much does everything to get his attention, hates Tim Drake because he's the only Robin who Joker hasn't truly traumatized. And he does THAT to get Batmans attention. Read 3 jokers. Joker forces Batman to face his trauma JUST so that Joker can be the cause of any and all of Bruce's pain. Dude is obsessed.
Caesar Romero helped design his costume and forced them to work around a mustache he refused to shave. Jack Nicholson was just given a purple suit and told to "be himself" Heath Ledger designed his own make-up and ad-libbed half his scenes Mark Hamill's performance caused the btas crew to make redesigns to Joker instead of the more typical other way around. Leto's Joker is what happens when you let a *hack* and an idiot to have creative control.
I'm a firm believer that YJ Joker was intentionally bland and unappealing because the writers didn't want anyone to focus on him or beg for him to come back
I think the opposite. I think that they thought that the 'menacing' "I've had practice juggling my multiple personalities," was meant to make people be like "He's so cool! I want to see more of him!" Young Justice was good in the first two seasons, but damn, was it inconsistent. Also, I don't care what anyone says, Miss Martian, Kid Flash, and Beast Boy sucked in that show.
It would make sense since it was all about the young heroes. It's not about Joker since he's mainly Batman's enemy. The team's enemy was basically The Light. Joker was a pawn for the light.
@@water6teendragon The Light was mostly comprised of enemies of adult heroes. Vandal Savage is the enemy of several reincarnating and immortal heroes as well as the Justice Leauge. Lex is Superman's arch-nemesis and card carrying member and often leader of the Legion of Doom just like Joker except Joker is Batman's arch-nemesis and far as I know, doesn't usually lead the Legion. The version of Queen Bee Young Justice's was based on was an enemy of Justice League International. Suprisingly Klarion is actually Etrigan's enemy rather than Fate's though he's not too very consistent (fitting of a lord of chaos I suppose). Deathstroke is the enemy of Batman, Green Arrow and the Justice League and Ultra-Humanite is another Superman villain. Zviad Baazovi was the only one who was actually an enemy of the Outsiders.
My main problem with the Tattoos is that they are too simple and way too many. Joker always been (the good ones at least) about the show, the entertaiment. If he were to get tattos he would probably one of those Yakuza style back tats but like a big cartoon fish with a stupid smile, wearing a fancy hat and... maybe brushing its teeth with a batarang. Joker is a sociopath and a murderer but he is also a showman.
@@Who_Tye709 - He only had the dragon in one issue of *"All-Star Batman & Robin"* by Frank Miller (the story is notoriously weird, but there is some fantastic art by Jim Lee, who also did the Joker tattoo on the cover, and in a couple panels of issue #8) The funny part is that Jared Leto's Joker actually rocks the exact same dragon tattoo on his back (but in black-and-white instead of red-green), but in the cut of the movie we got we only see it a bit after he jumps into the acid vat to save Harley, and his shirt starts to melt... There is some Behind the Scenes footage of that moment from different angles with more light, where we see more of the dragon tattoo than we do in the movie proper. It was also confirmed that it was the same dragon on 2 officials pieces of merchandise: the METAL Die-Cast Joker statue (shirtless), and the DC's COLLECTIBLE SS Joker statue sculpted by the very talented James Marsano. We might get a better look at the DCEU Joker's back in the Ayer cut, somehow? Not sure what the circumstances might be, but there are quite a few extra scenes with the Joker in it, after all... (I really want to see his tête-à-tête with Enchantress, and then his face-off with the Squad when he comes to take Harley back).
Leto wanted to be Heath Ledger so bad but didn't ever know what made Heath Ledger's Joker special, he tried staying in character off screen during production just like Heath but to him that apparently meant "send used condoms to your co-stars".
And worse of all, what is even the joke there? If he's acting like the Joker the condom thing should be a ironic statement or a punchline. Either he just thought "Joker = Weird" or we're missing the setup of his joke.
Ledger wasn't even like that, between scenes he was extremely respectful and inquisitive according to his co-stars and Christopher Nolan. There was a level of method there but he wasn't Joker 24/7.
@@Ethan-wr2osoff screen He locked himself in a room for hours playing the Joker in front of a mirror for practice. Which is like... the most normal and expected thing for a serious career actor to do. If anything Leto should have been doing that not trying LARP in front of his coworkers when theyre not filming.
@Ethan-wr2os Leto is the type of actor who uses "I'm method acting" as an excuse to be a gigantic douchebag in real life and think that makes it okay.
I was kinda expecting the one from the 2004 series “The Batman” to be on here. Honestly, that one is probably one of my favorites for how unique he is. Usually the Joker is portrayed as a psychotic party clown, or just a psycho in clown makeup. What made that version unique was that he was a psychotic, acrobatic circus clown. It’s kind of a shame that idea isn’t used as much
Crazy Hobo Joker is the Joker I grew up with. Kevin Michael Richardson made that version of the character unique without trying to copy Hamill like others do. Also The Batman 2004 cartoon is seriously underrated.
The best part about 2004 Joker is that they didn’t focus on the angle of “He’s Batman’s enemy”. They focused on “He’s a clown”, and that made it so his plans were always interesting.
@@RookTVchannel They also made his dark psychotic personality work, in the future its implied that he crippled Barbara Gordon and I can actually believe that because we've seen him drive Ethan Bennet insane
The most ironic thing for me is Jared Leto was the first actor to have the slender skinny body type of comic book Joker. He could have been at least visually a perfect adaptation, if not acting wise, but instead of sticking to the classic they thought they knew better. All you had to do was painting this guy green, white and give him a purple suit.
I hate Leto as an actor and a human I literally avoid everything he’s in If I can but I agree with this, his body type and look could’ve been utilised if they gave him the classic joker look
What are you talking about? Heath Ledger was the first actor to have that body type for the Joker on screen. He was skinny af, Jared Leto is ripped compared to him. Just look at those shirtless tattoo pics, he looks tone as hell. Ledger had the perfect physique for the role. How did this comment get so many likes?
I think if I ever wrote a Joker part for a larger superhero movie, I'd almost write him like the protagonist of a screwball comedy... Like every time we see him he's in the middle of some bizarre situation, and you ALMOST forget what kind of movie you're watching... Until he resolves his situation by killing someone.
Young Justice Joker is ironically funny to me because he always looks so confidence when he pulls out his knives to fight super heros. Who seriously thought to give Joker knives? I don't know how many people notice this but Joker is the opposite of Batman in terms of Batman has muliple gadgets on him at all times while Joker instead of carrying a bunch of weapons like to focus on a small list weapons a lot of the time.
Tbh I like when the Joker uses gimmicky murder gadgets he rigs up kinda like an acid flower on his suit and a knife in his shoe that he can sheathe when he wants to conceal it. Pretty much I feel like injustice the games series is a pretty good representation of how Joker could seriously fight although Arkham isn't a bad representation either. I like when Joker is some kinda of threat in a fight. The dark Knight movie was good at it too but just set the Joker more ominous and unpredictable threat rather than all out fighting but he indeed always had a plan just wanted you to think it was all random but yet he always comes prepared lol
Heath Ledger's Joker LOVED using knives, but he used guns, rocket launchers, shoe blades and anything else at his disposal. He truly was an Agent of Chaos.
The fact that they got Brent Spiner to play him in YJ... You have to have some truly terrible writing to make that man seem like he can't act. What a waste. Apparently the character designers were inspired to make him look like Lupin the 3rd. It really shows how much they thought that their inspiration ALONE would make it work.
The big problem? Joker was made to look sexy and edgy. They wanted to sell merch at hot topic and have young girls want a relationship like harley and joker. It was a gimic.
They didn't even had to do that. Ledgers Joker looks like a greasy wet rat and that doesn't stop girls from writing self-insert on ao3. If anything, Leto's looks gives me the ick :/
This is really making me ponder on what makes the Joker seem like the Joker. Like, I would hand on heart swear that Cameron Monaghan's "Not-The-Joker" character from Gotham looks more like the Joker than Jared Leto's incarnation... but he doesn't even have green hair, or the name, and he looks Joker-like right from his first appearance. HOWWWWW.
It's the spirit of it I guess? And the fact that Gotham generally changed up a lot of the characters. Jonathan Crane isn't even the one to mix up the fear toxin. He gets dosed with a gas that was meant to cure fear and then got shipped off to Arkham to be abused and tortured. Jerome doesn't have to have green hair, he's already a clown since he grew up in the circus, he dresses up in that part, he's "crazy" and doesn't care about society. I just wish they had stuck to him instead of killing him off and replacing him with Jeremiah... Complete waste imo
I disagree about Lettos Joker needing a close relationship with Batman, not all Jokers do. The original goldenage joker didnt. He was a mobster, a gangster, I think they tried to do that. A modern gangster is what they tried to make him, unfortunately it fell flat on its face, Jack Nicholson already did the gangster Joker perfecty, I dont think anyone could do that version as well as Jack did. Also in the goldenage Batman was annoying to the Joker, which makes me think thats what they were going for.
I'm on the part he rambles about that and it's so stupid Like there are only a few movies in the universe and these 2 have 1 proper scene with each other in first ss movie (we won't talk about apocalypse) and it's the chace where he fucks off and batman saves harley so there was not even a chamce to establish anything between them on screen What he says has to either take up a chunk of another movie or a whope batman movie to show and he demands it from like 15 minutes of joker in all of dceu
I think he can be a character without Batman. Personally I like him more as a villain who isn’t just evil for power but evil for a vendetta that borders on obsession. It adds to the unsettling craziness instead of a monster out for money he’s an insane stalker obsessed with showing the world that it sucks like Heath Ledgers.
If they wanted to make him a gangster why didn’t they try to make him a sopranos style gangster? Someone who had swagger, not a Machine Gun Kelly Joker.
The worst Joker is The Joker That Doesn't Laugh or as The Flash called him, The Batman Who Tries Too Hard but is officially known as The Batman Who "Laughs"
“Suicide Squad Kill The Justice League” Joker is probably gonna be worse Edit: He was not as bad as I thought. But also not good either. He was just there.
That last one wasn't too bad. It sounded like they wanted Mark Hamill but couldn't get him so they paid another actor to do an impression of him without prep-work and an hour to go through the lines.
I HATE joker throwing Harley into the vat of chemicals, I think that's so stupid. Now she's literally just a female Joker, vs a fan girl who was manipulated into falling in love, and now does all these horrible things just to impress him, out of crazy fanaticism to him.
I think it's because what the movie is *trying* to go for is to have harley replace joker as the main bad guy, but both are just bad at being characters in general.
Like, I prefer to think of Harley's devotion to Joker, something like those "mothers" devoted to Ian Watkins... if you don't know what I'm talking about, and you don't want to have a bad day, then don't look that up.
The Young Justice version of Joker absolutely seems like they were going for the Heath Leger version but instead came up somewhere _between_ the Heath Leger and Jared Leto versions.
Ledger's Joker's self analysis is also largely bs. Intentionally so. Like when he says "I'm an agent of chaos" and "do I look like a man with a plan?"... My guy, you are THE man with a plan.
What really sucks is that when you look at some of the concept art for the joker he had a different style originally that kinda had a mob vibe to him and he looked older and less over the top and more of a crazy man that had a reputation that spread fear.
I watched Joaquin phoenix joker and it scares me as it was based on reality. It felt so real watching it due to the world Arthur was living in and how his entire life is falling apart causing him to turn into this villain. It’s a good movie and unlike suicide Squad, a joker that is well written and executed perfectly terrifies me a lot. The more you go through trauma, it becomes funny as it’s a joke.
Let’s not exaggerate, he’s not scary at all and let’s not pretend that copy of Taxi Driver + King of Comedy has anything groundbreaking about it. Arthur Fleck is not the Joker, all they have in common is the purple suit. Arthur is nowhere near smart enough nor does he have a genuinely sick sense of humor and he’s definitely not capable of becoming Batman’s arch nemesis. He’s not even truly evil
It's bizzare. He *is* a comedian first, and his roles as Lore in TNG and Purple Man in Avengers EMH demonstrate he had the acting chops to be both funny and menacing. YJ's writing, once again, fell flat.
@@USSMariner Lore was a great example that Spiner could do a believable Joker. I just think the YJ character design didn’t fit his voice. It seemed weird with that design and I think that’s why some people didn’t like it
I feel like they should make another Batman cartoon where joker starts out goofy but as seasons pass he should get more and more viscous because of him trying to make Batman break. Also make him smart I’ve yet to see him be the genius that he is implied to be most of the time
I think Jared Leto with a better writer and director could have worked as the Joker. The metal teeth never bothered me because I could totally see Batman punching Joker's teeth out.
To be completely fair, I liked the idea of a younger, more wreckless modern age Joker. He’d definitely drive a lambo for sure, but they had a horrible execution for it.
He’d probably drive a stolen lambo once and crash it. I can’t see Joker actually caring about material possessions, expensive cars… or sitting still for a couple of hours to get a tattoo, let alone several
I genuinely don’t understand what people could dislike about Richard Epcar’s depiction of the joker. (Other than his Injustice 2 design but that’s a dev problem.) His voice is just gravelly enough, he can be intimidating, but he still has the manic flamboyance. Also his laugh is my second favorite Joker laugh.
I think what would have improved the portrayal would have been a post-credit scene where he walked into the shower, spit out the tooth bling, and washed off the tats. Then Harley walks in, sees his isn't permanent like her's, and she tries to kill him.
The grills is honestly the only thing i didnt really hate. Because the implication is that hes fought batman so much that just all his front teeth have been broken/knocked out at this point
Which is weird because his face still looks like Jared face with makeup. Would make more sense if his face is extremely scarred and bruised up as well rather than just his teeth
It's funny to me how when they do that flashback animated thing for Harley that the joker actually looks true to the character in the animated version and looks nothing like their live-action version so why did they even bother making it look like the actual Joker like they tryin to insult us or something lol
For a slightly older, more established Joker, the shiny metal teeth in Jared Leto's face kind of make sense: Batman's punched him in the face often enough that I'd fully believe he has no natural incisors left.
i like to think the idea was Leto's Joker was Harley's view of Joker. her twisted pov, she could never see joker's obsession with Batman. She thought he was just eccentric (i.e the tattoos style and etc). and also that it was meant to be completely obvious that she fell for something false
Nostalgia critic did a review on suicide squad when the movie came out and in the review Jim (one of the crew) was doing a bit where he was so inspired by jerrad Leto he was method acting as Jerrod Leto playing the joker. And I think this tiny bit in the video got the fundamentals of the joker better than Jerrod Leto and the entirety of suicide squad
@ozthebeeman I honestly don't think he's near as bad as people make him out to be. Some of his "serious" video (can a joke go too far, why do good directors go bad, are the prequels better than the sequels) are REALLY well done, and I do agree with tons of his criticism. His sketches are a bit cringey to some but he's just having fun really. Overall, I think the the hate he gets is over the top.
@@N.I.A23 I agree i still like the guy but his content is so stale. For a guy that makes fun of Disney for their formula he found his formula and sticks to it for a lot of the videos I saw and it got so boring. He does still make some good videos but they were rare so I just stopped watching his videos all together
I didn't like him. Nor did I like the version of Poison Ivy that came with him. Nowhere near beautiful enough to be worth dying for, which is what Ivy's supposed to be all about.
I will always love Harley Quinn's adaption of joker more, being the fucking mayor of gotham just to stick it to a karen is fucking insane and I love it.
I don’t get why people hate in Kevin Pollak that was joker just moving onto Superman because he got bored of Batman so idk why people hate on Kevin Pollack
I'll ask because I didn't see it in this video but what was your take on Kevin Michael Richardson's Joker in The Batman cartoon series (which, if nothing else, had the best Batmobile IMHO )....
Whenever I hear Vee Infuso talk about Jared Leto's Joker - I cant help but feel he is speaking my thoughts! The Justice League Snyder Cut Cameo... PERFECT! More or less... It certainly worked... But Leto's Joker was SO BAD otherwise... However, I am actually going to DEFEND LETO... As this is an issue that plagues Batman! It seems NO ONE can make a Batman Movie without JOKER or WITHOUT HARLEY QUINN... Batman has one of the largest Rouges Galleries of Any Super Hero - Yet every time a movie is made, JOKER OR HARLEY QUINN MUST BE REFRENCED OR APPEAR! And that's a major issue.... Take ALL THE SUICIDE SQUAD MOVIES... Harley Quinn is in all of them, She is in the games... She is PART O FTHE SUICIDE SQUAD... Screw the fact that The Suicide Squad PERDATES HARLEY QUINNS EXISTENCE PERIOD... Studios (Warner Bros.) are constantly playing Fan Service without understanding the property! While I have yet to watch it - Even THE BATMAN has a nice End Credit scene where a NEW VILLAIN could be introduced and everything seems set up for HUSH... An Iconic villain that MANY FANS, Including myself want to see on the big screen... BUT NO - ITS THE F**KING JOKER AGAIN! CONFIRMED... THE DIRECTOR CONFIRMED ITS THE F**KING JOKER! Give us a Joker who Lives, Who Batman refuses to kill, In ONE SINGLE MOVIE... Then have him be nothing more than a reference for a while, A Background part, Give us HUSH, PENGUIN, RIDDLER, FALSE FACE, THE MNAD HATTER, Then bring Joker back to the forefront... Having planned and waited and he was portrayed to have done in the animated "Killing Joke" Constantly throwing him and Harley Front and Centre to play Fan Service KILLS THE THREAT! It becomes teh thing the the Joker should never be... BOOORING!
That's less a problem with Batman films and more an issue with Batman in general. Joker's like DC's Wolverine, he'd be on a cover of an issue he isn't in just to sell more comics. Joker's too popular for his own good.
@@Scatmanseth Very True... Same with Harley Quinn... I love both character's, but even I can call overkill! I have still not seen THE BATMAN but I did hear about the "Easter Egg" at the movies end - Saw a theory that it was going to be HUSH in the sequel but the director confirmed the mysterious figure was in fact The Joker... It sad, there is so much potential in the DC universe... But no one seems to be able to get past Joker / Quinn! Marvel are facing a similar problem, Robert Downey Junior was so good as Iron Man, Many fans seem to have fallen off since he decided to leave... (I will be frank, I also feel that leading with Infinity War was a mistake as legal issues aside, Kang the Conqueror is not as compelling as Thanos... In my opinion anyway!)
For the YJ I think they made him mediocre because they have other major villains they wanted to go into and the joker here is just to remind us that he exists. Because everybody has done Joker and if they had writers on just him. They could fill an entire show with just joker interacting being an agent of chaos even against darkseid.
I love and hate Young Justice Joker. His saving grace is that he’s better than Jared Leto and he is just insanely weird, but still he’s fine. Probably because, as you mentioned, he reminds of the Joker from the old cartoons/Silver Age.
Heath Ledger did The Joker so well that he ruined the character by every film depiction since doing some kind of terrible impression of him afterwards.
I genuinely hope to god that they cast Jim Carrey as Joker in the new DCEU. Not only does he physically fit the role, but he also has the acting chops to pull it off.
I can't believe I never thought of that or no one ever tried to get him to play Joker. He's absolutely perfect. Even if it's just Jim Carrey being Jim Carrey I'd love to see it.
I knew Leto's Joker has been cut from the final version of the movie almost completely, but I had no idea how much of footage was left out, and seeing this video I realised how much was actually lost from his whole "method-acting to be Joker" thing, and I'm glad about that 😅
Jared Leto's Joker just wasn't scary. He always struck me as Justin Bieber breaking bad. Joker should have a sense of menace, that if you get in his way or just be in the wrong place at the wrong time, he might rip off your face to make a point or as a punchline. This Joker, he feels like if you got in his way in Columbus Ohio let alone Gotham city, they'd find him laying face down in the city's sewage treatment pools.
The only, and I mean ONLY thing I like about this Joker is that for once, he exists solely to serve Harley’s story. Since in every other piece of media she’s in, Harley only exists to serve the Joker and his story. In this case, the Joker needs Harley to exist for once, and it’s a huge breath of fresh air
I don’t mind young justice joker but that injustice one is the worst thing I’ve ever seen. I remember thinking he was the worst as soon as I saw him in one scene. Even worse than Jarrod Leto.
31:05 Pollak’s Jack Nicholson imitation was so spot on would it have made a difference if he had used that voice instead of the one he used for “Injustice”?
While the movie may be a bit too weird overall and I understand the dislike for it, I loved the Joker in Batman: Ninja. He was just so animated and expressive, yet as seen in his final battle with Batman, he could be absolutely terrifying as well.
I actually agree with all of your takes. Jared's Joker would have been fine to me... If this was a Batman Beyond movie and is the Joker for that timeline.
i love the one fan theory about Jerod Leto's Joker that he was actually jason todd after he got abused by the joker and turned into that just to piss batman off
The problem is that Ben Affleck is physically younger than Jared Leto, so unless they make Robin his co-partner instead of side kick this theory doesn't make any sense
For the Young Justice version there's something they could play on that might be interesting. "MY multiple personalities." What if it's like there's personalities that we just don't see? Like you said YJ skips over a TON of events between seasons 1 and 2.
You'r completely right about tatoos not belonging on the joker. One of the most consistent or at least belonging overlooked features of the joker is his boomer attitude when dealing with youngsters. That involves his strict ideals for dresscodes and him being classy and debonair.
Knowing that for most of the people "True Jokers" are those who doesn't have anything in common with character, my guess there's a list of comic-based Joker. Jared Leto on the first second proves me right
@@kingofcrap4414 He was based on All-star Batman and Robin, Batman R.I.P. and Return of the Dark Knight. Also actor was consulting with Grant Morrison himself about the Joker. If the movie is bad, it doesn't mean that he's bad. Not to mention that he doesn't have to look or act like ledger and Phoenix, who doesn't have anything in common with the Joker
@@sobakaspyA bunch of stories that included bad renditions of DC characters? Basing anything off of All-Star Batman and Robin is a sure way to make bad media
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I think the "Kick Me" sign is really the only tattoo that works for the Joker.
Lmao somehow, I agree 😂
Batman should capture him and have it done before dropping him off at arkham.
And it being a giant tattoo on his back just feels like a must
I'm partial to the mouth on his hand
that way he can literally put a smile on others' faces
That one and the smile on his hand felt like something the joker would have. The rest, not so much
I think the problem with Jerod Leto's Joker is that it wasn't written like the Joker, this Joker was written like a gangster trying to do a Joker impression without ever having seen any media that includes the character
Yep this version of joker should of been written the opposite way around, it should of been the Joker cos playing as a gangster instead just because he can but it also serves a purpose for later 💯
We never got see his joker they cut most of his parts out and used take the original director dint want, why is so hard for ppl to understand
You perfectly described the joker gang from Batman beyond 😭
@@tunafxsh lol
This is how I feel about the new SSKTJL Joker
I thought I was so smart when I thought this was going to be a fake out. I sincerely thought Jared Leto's Joker was going to actually be an imposter trying to ride off the street cred and power of The Joker who would be slayed by the real Joker maybe halfway through the movie.
It would have made it better, that's actually a good idea
Yeah that's not a bad idea actually.
Actually kinda works tbh even with past comics. Kinda sorta like the 3 Joker comic storyline in away. Since we've as far as I know haven't seen that dynamic on the big screen yet.
It’s better than the Jason Todd imposter theory.
Basically it would work perfect in a Batman Beyond movie
I’m still mad that they gave him a face tattoo that says “damaged” but not clown makeup face tattoos like it was there right in front of them
wait now, tattoo make up wouldve worked soooo well
In Zack Snyder's Justice League, I genuinely believe that Jared Leto's Joker would give Batman a reach-around, given the opportunity.
And Batman probably would've let him.
The best version of his joker
That's pretty much all jokers tho there always a underline homosexual vibe with em
Joker LOVES Batman. Like I actually think he's in love with him. So I wouldn't put it past him. Lol he pretty much does everything to get his attention, hates Tim Drake because he's the only Robin who Joker hasn't truly traumatized. And he does THAT to get Batmans attention. Read 3 jokers. Joker forces Batman to face his trauma JUST so that Joker can be the cause of any and all of Bruce's pain. Dude is obsessed.
In the comics his obsession/love of Batman is just as strange. Heck read Arkham asylum: a serious house on serious earth.
Leto's Joker is what happens when you have a director who doesn't understand the character and when you give an actor creative control.
Nah it was just cause they gutted the sucide squad he seemed cool in the original script but they kept in what seems like the worst parts
@@robinn384To be entirely fair. Leto acted like a fucking asshole the entire time and the scenes we got were because he wouldn't stop being a creep.
@@robinn384Lol, another Snyderverse worshipper. The depiction was trash, get over it
@@robinn384buddy Jared Leto joker was absolutely horrible
Caesar Romero helped design his costume and forced them to work around a mustache he refused to shave.
Jack Nicholson was just given a purple suit and told to "be himself"
Heath Ledger designed his own make-up and ad-libbed half his scenes
Mark Hamill's performance caused the btas crew to make redesigns to Joker instead of the more typical other way around.
Leto's Joker is what happens when you let a *hack* and an idiot to have creative control.
I'm a firm believer that YJ Joker was intentionally bland and unappealing because the writers didn't want anyone to focus on him or beg for him to come back
Clearly, it worked then
I think the opposite. I think that they thought that the 'menacing' "I've had practice juggling my multiple personalities," was meant to make people be like "He's so cool! I want to see more of him!"
Young Justice was good in the first two seasons, but damn, was it inconsistent. Also, I don't care what anyone says, Miss Martian, Kid Flash, and Beast Boy sucked in that show.
Wiseman has said something to this idea and he is not a fan of the Joker.
It would make sense since it was all about the young heroes. It's not about Joker since he's mainly Batman's enemy.
The team's enemy was basically The Light. Joker was a pawn for the light.
@@water6teendragon The Light was mostly comprised of enemies of adult heroes. Vandal Savage is the enemy of several reincarnating and immortal heroes as well as the Justice Leauge. Lex is Superman's arch-nemesis and card carrying member and often leader of the Legion of Doom just like Joker except Joker is Batman's arch-nemesis and far as I know, doesn't usually lead the Legion. The version of Queen Bee Young Justice's was based on was an enemy of Justice League International. Suprisingly Klarion is actually Etrigan's enemy rather than Fate's though he's not too very consistent (fitting of a lord of chaos I suppose). Deathstroke is the enemy of Batman, Green Arrow and the Justice League and Ultra-Humanite is another Superman villain.
Zviad Baazovi was the only one who was actually an enemy of the Outsiders.
My main problem with the Tattoos is that they are too simple and way too many.
Joker always been (the good ones at least) about the show, the entertaiment. If he were to get tattos he would probably one of those Yakuza style back tats but like a big cartoon fish with a stupid smile, wearing a fancy hat and... maybe brushing its teeth with a batarang.
Joker is a sociopath and a murderer but he is also a showman.
I don't think it matters too much. How often do we see the Joker with his shirt off?
@@SeasideDetective2 it could work, if done properly.
He had a dragon tattoo on his back at one point
@@Who_Tye709 - He only had the dragon in one issue of *"All-Star Batman & Robin"* by Frank Miller (the story is notoriously weird, but there is some fantastic art by Jim Lee, who also did the Joker tattoo on the cover, and in a couple panels of issue #8)
The funny part is that Jared Leto's Joker actually rocks the exact same dragon tattoo on his back (but in black-and-white instead of red-green), but in the cut of the movie we got we only see it a bit after he jumps into the acid vat to save Harley, and his shirt starts to melt...
There is some Behind the Scenes footage of that moment from different angles with more light, where we see more of the dragon tattoo than we do in the movie proper.
It was also confirmed that it was the same dragon on 2 officials pieces of merchandise: the METAL Die-Cast Joker statue (shirtless), and the DC's COLLECTIBLE SS Joker statue sculpted by the very talented James Marsano.
We might get a better look at the DCEU Joker's back in the Ayer cut, somehow? Not sure what the circumstances might be, but there are quite a few extra scenes with the Joker in it, after all... (I really want to see his tête-à-tête with Enchantress, and then his face-off with the Squad when he comes to take Harley back).
That’s perfect.
Instead of Joker breaking out of Arkham to commit random violence, he breaks out of Arkham to go to the club.
and get random gangsters to sleep with harley, just remembered they tried turning joker into a cuck💀
Leto wanted to be Heath Ledger so bad but didn't ever know what made Heath Ledger's Joker special, he tried staying in character off screen during production just like Heath but to him that apparently meant "send used condoms to your co-stars".
And worse of all, what is even the joke there?
If he's acting like the Joker the condom thing should be a ironic statement or a punchline.
Either he just thought "Joker = Weird" or we're missing the setup of his joke.
Ledger wasn't even like that, between scenes he was extremely respectful and inquisitive according to his co-stars and Christopher Nolan. There was a level of method there but he wasn't Joker 24/7.
@@Ethan-wr2osoff screen He locked himself in a room for hours playing the Joker in front of a mirror for practice. Which is like... the most normal and expected thing for a serious career actor to do. If anything Leto should have been doing that not trying LARP in front of his coworkers when theyre not filming.
I think Leto was trying to be crazy in real life, which did not translate over well on film, he only turned in a weak performance.
@Ethan-wr2os Leto is the type of actor who uses "I'm method acting" as an excuse to be a gigantic douchebag in real life and think that makes it okay.
I was kinda expecting the one from the 2004 series “The Batman” to be on here. Honestly, that one is probably one of my favorites for how unique he is. Usually the Joker is portrayed as a psychotic party clown, or just a psycho in clown makeup. What made that version unique was that he was a psychotic, acrobatic circus clown. It’s kind of a shame that idea isn’t used as much
Crazy Hobo Joker is the Joker I grew up with. Kevin Michael Richardson made that version of the character unique without trying to copy Hamill like others do. Also The Batman 2004 cartoon is seriously underrated.
Yeah the batman had a really fun joker design, i liked his straight jacket sleeves a lot
The best part about 2004 Joker is that they didn’t focus on the angle of “He’s Batman’s enemy”. They focused on “He’s a clown”, and that made it so his plans were always interesting.
@@RookTVchannel They also made his dark psychotic personality work, in the future its implied that he crippled Barbara Gordon and I can actually believe that because we've seen him drive Ethan Bennet insane
@@sandyscrapwitch2064 The episode where Joker drives Ethan insane even parallels The Killing Joke.
The most ironic thing for me is Jared Leto was the first actor to have the slender skinny body type of comic book Joker. He could have been at least visually a perfect adaptation, if not acting wise, but instead of sticking to the classic they thought they knew better.
All you had to do was painting this guy green, white and give him a purple suit.
I hate Leto as an actor and a human I literally avoid everything he’s in If I can but I agree with this, his body type and look could’ve been utilised if they gave him the classic joker look
Really?
Heath Ledger looked slim when he played Joker(R.I.P)
@@StardogChampion06 he did but leto’s body type is perfect
What are you talking about? Heath Ledger was the first actor to have that body type for the Joker on screen. He was skinny af, Jared Leto is ripped compared to him. Just look at those shirtless tattoo pics, he looks tone as hell. Ledger had the perfect physique for the role.
How did this comment get so many likes?
Tbh if they had been a bit more conservative with the wardrobe and toned down the tattoos he would have had a good paul diny joker
Letos joker is like if bat-boy from weekly world news took up villainy in Gotham.
WOW. You, sir, are a star!😂😂😂 That's the best thing I've heard in a long time!
Yea you hit the nail in the head hahaha. I couldn’t quite put my finger on it until now
Ha!
Remember when he said "it's Jokin time" and then he actually didn't tell any jokes?
I knew Leto's Joker reminded me of something.
I think if I ever wrote a Joker part for a larger superhero movie, I'd almost write him like the protagonist of a screwball comedy... Like every time we see him he's in the middle of some bizarre situation, and you ALMOST forget what kind of movie you're watching... Until he resolves his situation by killing someone.
Honestly that straight up works better than having his film being a melodrama
Young Justice Joker looks like the fanart a thirsty teenager would make
I cant stop seeing Adachi from persona 4 in him, for some reason for me they are so similar....
i knew twink jokers were a thing in fanart but i didn't think there would be an official twink joker
@@M4984LUV Lmao
@@M4984LUV... And how did you know that?
@@JetstreamRat I KNEW HE LOOKED FAMILIAR OMFG😭
Jared Let's Joker doesn't feel like the Joker, he feels like a teenage boy who saw the Dark Knight once and made Heath Ledger his entire personality.
This is also how i feel about it, you nailed it
He's like... Those edgy teenage boys who make being modern gangsters their entire personality
Young Justice Joker is ironically funny to me because he always looks so confidence when he pulls out his knives to fight super heros. Who seriously thought to give Joker knives?
I don't know how many people notice this but Joker is the opposite of Batman in terms of Batman has muliple gadgets on him at all times while Joker instead of carrying a bunch of weapons like to focus on a small list weapons a lot of the time.
Tbh I like when the Joker uses gimmicky murder gadgets he rigs up kinda like an acid flower on his suit and a knife in his shoe that he can sheathe when he wants to conceal it. Pretty much I feel like injustice the games series is a pretty good representation of how Joker could seriously fight although Arkham isn't a bad representation either. I like when Joker is some kinda of threat in a fight. The dark Knight movie was good at it too but just set the Joker more ominous and unpredictable threat rather than all out fighting but he indeed always had a plan just wanted you to think it was all random but yet he always comes prepared lol
.... TAS joker used knives all the time
@@rwg6357 The problem is less with the knives and more of that's the only thing I can remember about him.
Heath Ledger's Joker LOVED using knives, but he used guns, rocket launchers, shoe blades and anything else at his disposal. He truly was an Agent of Chaos.
@@rwg6357He also used sharp playing cards.
"They gave us Harley Quinn's boyfriend" is the funniest description of the Leto Joker so far.
I've always believed that Leto's Joker would be perfect for a Batman Beyond movie as one of the criminals who use the Joker's aesthetic
I feel like Leto was less playing the Joker and more trying to channel Alex from "A Clockwork Orange".
He shouldn't even be filmed reading the credits to "A Clockwork Orange".
I always felt like he was trying to do the mask ngl
A Clockwise Orange is good tho...
The fact that they got Brent Spiner to play him in YJ... You have to have some truly terrible writing to make that man seem like he can't act. What a waste. Apparently the character designers were inspired to make him look like Lupin the 3rd. It really shows how much they thought that their inspiration ALONE would make it work.
The big problem? Joker was made to look sexy and edgy. They wanted to sell merch at hot topic and have young girls want a relationship like harley and joker. It was a gimic.
The only girl fans I've seen who actually like him don't seem to be older than 13. So they failed ig....
They didn't even had to do that. Ledgers Joker looks like a greasy wet rat and that doesn't stop girls from writing self-insert on ao3. If anything, Leto's looks gives me the ick :/
Joker got tatoos? That means he went to a tattoo artists and sat quietly while he got inked
disturbing thought. thank you
This is really making me ponder on what makes the Joker seem like the Joker. Like, I would hand on heart swear that Cameron Monaghan's "Not-The-Joker" character from Gotham looks more like the Joker than Jared Leto's incarnation... but he doesn't even have green hair, or the name, and he looks Joker-like right from his first appearance. HOWWWWW.
He's just so good at playing Jack Nicholson Joker and Heath Ledger Joker so well.
The smile
You have to ask how? Seriously? Just watch it. It's self-evident.
It's the spirit of it I guess? And the fact that Gotham generally changed up a lot of the characters. Jonathan Crane isn't even the one to mix up the fear toxin. He gets dosed with a gas that was meant to cure fear and then got shipped off to Arkham to be abused and tortured. Jerome doesn't have to have green hair, he's already a clown since he grew up in the circus, he dresses up in that part, he's "crazy" and doesn't care about society. I just wish they had stuck to him instead of killing him off and replacing him with Jeremiah... Complete waste imo
Rest in peace Kevin, the best Batman.
😭😭😭
I disagree about Lettos Joker needing a close relationship with Batman, not all Jokers do. The original goldenage joker didnt. He was a mobster, a gangster, I think they tried to do that. A modern gangster is what they tried to make him, unfortunately it fell flat on its face, Jack Nicholson already did the gangster Joker perfecty, I dont think anyone could do that version as well as Jack did. Also in the goldenage Batman was annoying to the Joker, which makes me think thats what they were going for.
I'm on the part he rambles about that and it's so stupid
Like there are only a few movies in the universe and these 2 have 1 proper scene with each other in first ss movie (we won't talk about apocalypse) and it's the chace where he fucks off and batman saves harley so there was not even a chamce to establish anything between them on screen
What he says has to either take up a chunk of another movie or a whope batman movie to show and he demands it from like 15 minutes of joker in all of dceu
I think he can be a character without Batman. Personally I like him more as a villain who isn’t just evil for power but evil for a vendetta that borders on obsession. It adds to the unsettling craziness instead of a monster out for money he’s an insane stalker obsessed with showing the world that it sucks like Heath Ledgers.
If they wanted to make him a gangster why didn’t they try to make him a sopranos style gangster? Someone who had swagger, not a Machine Gun Kelly Joker.
The worst Joker is The Joker That Doesn't Laugh or as The Flash called him, The Batman Who Tries Too Hard but is officially known as The Batman Who "Laughs"
TBWL wasn’t awful until they put him every comic for like a year straight
Batman who Laughs is a Batman variant, not a Joker.
Tbh I don't hate Batman Who Laughs that much. It's like, fine in concept, but only as like, a one time thing.
@@You-Tube-n5kHis biggest problem seems to be just a problem with comics in general nowadays
@@SadMoribundas far as I'm aware he's jokers mind in Batmans body, might be wrong tho
“Suicide Squad Kill The Justice League” Joker is probably gonna be worse
Edit: He was not as bad as I thought. But also not good either. He was just there.
Yes we need elseworlds Joker on this list when he fully comes out
I’m genuinely interested to see how badly they mess him up.
@@chayimweinstock443At least buy him dinner first.
It surprisingly is
@@real1mem3s I actually don’t mind him tbh
That last one wasn't too bad. It sounded like they wanted Mark Hamill but couldn't get him so they paid another actor to do an impression of him without prep-work and an hour to go through the lines.
That sounds pretty bad to me.
I HATE joker throwing Harley into the vat of chemicals, I think that's so stupid.
Now she's literally just a female Joker, vs a fan girl who was manipulated into falling in love, and now does all these horrible things just to impress him, out of crazy fanaticism to him.
I think it's because what the movie is *trying* to go for is to have harley replace joker as the main bad guy, but both are just bad at being characters in general.
Like, I prefer to think of Harley's devotion to Joker, something like those "mothers" devoted to Ian Watkins... if you don't know what I'm talking about, and you don't want to have a bad day, then don't look that up.
being a fangirl and being maniplated is still a stupid modern shit. it was much better when she was just med student.
Yeah I hated that they went that route since the renewed universe
@@dilloncrowe1018damn bro, you made me remember ian watkins. But I get what you're saying, interesting if very dark perspective.
Joker is too maniac and unpredictable to sit in a chair for hours to get tattoos
The Young Justice version of Joker absolutely seems like they were going for the Heath Leger version but instead came up somewhere _between_ the Heath Leger and Jared Leto versions.
Ledger's Joker's self analysis is also largely bs. Intentionally so. Like when he says "I'm an agent of chaos" and "do I look like a man with a plan?"... My guy, you are THE man with a plan.
I feel targeted here…..
What really sucks is that when you look at some of the concept art for the joker he had a different style originally that kinda had a mob vibe to him and he looked older and less over the top and more of a crazy man that had a reputation that spread fear.
Mf couldn’t be the prince of crime, so he became a farcry 5 villain
I watched Joaquin phoenix joker and it scares me as it was based on reality. It felt so real watching it due to the world Arthur was living in and how his entire life is falling apart causing him to turn into this villain. It’s a good movie and unlike suicide Squad, a joker that is well written and executed perfectly terrifies me a lot. The more you go through trauma, it becomes funny as it’s a joke.
Let’s not exaggerate, he’s not scary at all and let’s not pretend that copy of Taxi Driver + King of Comedy has anything groundbreaking about it. Arthur Fleck is not the Joker, all they have in common is the purple suit. Arthur is nowhere near smart enough nor does he have a genuinely sick sense of humor and he’s definitely not capable of becoming Batman’s arch nemesis. He’s not even truly evil
I honestly dont think Brent Spiner was that bad of a Joker. He wasnt homicial sociopath Joker, but his performance was good.
It's bizzare. He *is* a comedian first, and his roles as Lore in TNG and Purple Man in Avengers EMH demonstrate he had the acting chops to be both funny and menacing.
YJ's writing, once again, fell flat.
@@USSMariner Lore was a great example that Spiner could do a believable Joker. I just think the YJ character design didn’t fit his voice. It seemed weird with that design and I think that’s why some people didn’t like it
I feel like they should make another Batman cartoon where joker starts out goofy but as seasons pass he should get more and more viscous because of him trying to make Batman break. Also make him smart I’ve yet to see him be the genius that he is implied to be most of the time
I think Jared Leto with a better writer and director could have worked as the Joker. The metal teeth never bothered me because I could totally see Batman punching Joker's teeth out.
Interesting
I recall in one comic Batgirl knocked all of Joker's teeth out as revenge for paralyzing her, so it could in a work more focused on her.
To be completely fair, I liked the idea of a younger, more wreckless modern age Joker. He’d definitely drive a lambo for sure, but they had a horrible execution for it.
He’d probably drive a stolen lambo once and crash it. I can’t see Joker actually caring about material possessions, expensive cars… or sitting still for a couple of hours to get a tattoo, let alone several
Reckless.
I genuinely don’t understand what people could dislike about Richard Epcar’s depiction of the joker. (Other than his Injustice 2 design but that’s a dev problem.)
His voice is just gravelly enough, he can be intimidating, but he still has the manic flamboyance. Also his laugh is my second favorite Joker laugh.
hes an amazing joker yeah comic book fans just complain a lot about things like that
I think what would have improved the portrayal would have been a post-credit scene where he walked into the shower, spit out the tooth bling, and washed off the tats. Then Harley walks in, sees his isn't permanent like her's, and she tries to kill him.
Tbh, the idea of that look just being the Joker trying something new for a day is oddly in-character (for some versions) lol
Them trying to make the joker a hot topic gangsta was the worst part of the jared leto joker
The grills is honestly the only thing i didnt really hate. Because the implication is that hes fought batman so much that just all his front teeth have been broken/knocked out at this point
Lmfao what a stupid take
@@johnLennon255 how so?
@@johnLennon255 Explain.
In that case: Why make them standard steel grills instead of something more interesting?
Which is weird because his face still looks like Jared face with makeup. Would make more sense if his face is extremely scarred and bruised up as well rather than just his teeth
Letos Joker is like The real Jokers annoying nephew 😆🤦♂️
I still remember the day I saw that first picture of Jared Leto as The Joker. I was at a high school house party and it ruined my entire night
If Kevin Pollack just did his Jack Nicolson impersonation it would probably be an improvement on his take of the Joker.
I know, right???? It's baffling.
It's funny to me how when they do that flashback animated thing for Harley that the joker actually looks true to the character in the animated version and looks nothing like their live-action version so why did they even bother making it look like the actual Joker like they tryin to insult us or something lol
Jered Leto’s “Joker” is an edgy K-Pop teen who’s “Too crazy for society because his dark and damaged mind is too deep for normies to understand🤪”
If you told me Jared Leto’s joker was played designed and written by Pete Davidson. I’d believe you
For a slightly older, more established Joker, the shiny metal teeth in Jared Leto's face kind of make sense: Batman's punched him in the face often enough that I'd fully believe he has no natural incisors left.
It also doesn't make sense he is still alive in a world where Batman kills...
i like to think the idea was Leto's Joker was Harley's view of Joker. her twisted pov, she could never see joker's obsession with Batman. She thought he was just eccentric (i.e the tattoos style and etc). and also that it was meant to be completely obvious that she fell for something false
Nostalgia critic did a review on suicide squad when the movie came out and in the review Jim (one of the crew) was doing a bit where he was so inspired by jerrad Leto he was method acting as Jerrod Leto playing the joker.
And I think this tiny bit in the video got the fundamentals of the joker better than Jerrod Leto and the entirety of suicide squad
Holy f*** someone mentioning nostalgia critic in 2023 and not shitting on him brutally???
@@N.I.A23 I mean it's a really old video I honestly have not watched him for a long time but I do know his content went down the shitter really bad
@ozthebeeman I honestly don't think he's near as bad as people make him out to be. Some of his "serious" video (can a joke go too far, why do good directors go bad, are the prequels better than the sequels) are REALLY well done, and I do agree with tons of his criticism. His sketches are a bit cringey to some but he's just having fun really.
Overall, I think the the hate he gets is over the top.
@@N.I.A23 I agree i still like the guy but his content is so stale. For a guy that makes fun of Disney for their formula he found his formula and sticks to it for a lot of the videos I saw and it got so boring. He does still make some good videos but they were rare so I just stopped watching his videos all together
Every time I saw Joker with a grill. I mentally blocked it out so that I could completely forget it existed.
I will always ADORE the young Justice joker purely on his character design and art style. Drawing wise, he’s my favorite animated joker.
I didn't like him. Nor did I like the version of Poison Ivy that came with him. Nowhere near beautiful enough to be worth dying for, which is what Ivy's supposed to be all about.
@@SeasideDetective2 fair enough! I know he isn’t exactly popular haha
I will always love Harley Quinn's adaption of joker more, being the fucking mayor of gotham just to stick it to a karen is fucking insane and I love it.
@@conscripthornet4430 WHERES MAH GODDAMN ELECTRIC CAH BRUCE???
Yikes bro
0:25 he said the thing!!
„We live in a society 🤑🤑🤑“
Worst live action? Jared Leto.
Worst animation? Kevin Pollak
I don’t get why people hate in Kevin Pollak that was joker just moving onto Superman because he got bored of Batman so idk why people hate on Kevin Pollack
3:20 "Because he's all messed up, you know".
I'll ask because I didn't see it in this video but what was your take on Kevin Michael Richardson's Joker in The Batman cartoon series (which, if nothing else, had the best Batmobile IMHO )....
The only tattoo that the Joker could have is a heart with a bat inside
Whenever I hear Vee Infuso talk about Jared Leto's Joker - I cant help but feel he is speaking my thoughts! The Justice League Snyder Cut Cameo... PERFECT! More or less... It certainly worked... But Leto's Joker was SO BAD otherwise...
However, I am actually going to DEFEND LETO... As this is an issue that plagues Batman! It seems NO ONE can make a Batman Movie without JOKER or WITHOUT HARLEY QUINN...
Batman has one of the largest Rouges Galleries of Any Super Hero - Yet every time a movie is made, JOKER OR HARLEY QUINN MUST BE REFRENCED OR APPEAR! And that's a major issue....
Take ALL THE SUICIDE SQUAD MOVIES... Harley Quinn is in all of them, She is in the games... She is PART O FTHE SUICIDE SQUAD... Screw the fact that The Suicide Squad PERDATES HARLEY QUINNS EXISTENCE PERIOD... Studios (Warner Bros.) are constantly playing Fan Service without understanding the property!
While I have yet to watch it - Even THE BATMAN has a nice End Credit scene where a NEW VILLAIN could be introduced and everything seems set up for HUSH... An Iconic villain that MANY FANS, Including myself want to see on the big screen... BUT NO - ITS THE F**KING JOKER AGAIN! CONFIRMED... THE DIRECTOR CONFIRMED ITS THE F**KING JOKER!
Give us a Joker who Lives, Who Batman refuses to kill, In ONE SINGLE MOVIE... Then have him be nothing more than a reference for a while, A Background part, Give us HUSH, PENGUIN, RIDDLER, FALSE FACE, THE MNAD HATTER, Then bring Joker back to the forefront... Having planned and waited and he was portrayed to have done in the animated "Killing Joke"
Constantly throwing him and Harley Front and Centre to play Fan Service KILLS THE THREAT! It becomes teh thing the the Joker should never be... BOOORING!
why does this read like a trump tweet lmao
That's less a problem with Batman films and more an issue with Batman in general. Joker's like DC's Wolverine, he'd be on a cover of an issue he isn't in just to sell more comics. Joker's too popular for his own good.
@@Scatmanseth Very True... Same with Harley Quinn... I love both character's, but even I can call overkill!
I have still not seen THE BATMAN but I did hear about the "Easter Egg" at the movies end - Saw a theory that it was going to be HUSH in the sequel but the director confirmed the mysterious figure was in fact The Joker...
It sad, there is so much potential in the DC universe... But no one seems to be able to get past Joker / Quinn!
Marvel are facing a similar problem, Robert Downey Junior was so good as Iron Man, Many fans seem to have fallen off since he decided to leave... (I will be frank, I also feel that leading with Infinity War was a mistake as legal issues aside, Kang the Conqueror is not as compelling as Thanos... In my opinion anyway!)
Haha you and I had the same reaction to the end of The Batman.
I agree with you anyway.
For the YJ I think they made him mediocre because they have other major villains they wanted to go into and the joker here is just to remind us that he exists. Because everybody has done Joker and if they had writers on just him. They could fill an entire show with just joker interacting being an agent of chaos even against darkseid.
10:17 this did not age well
I love and hate Young Justice Joker. His saving grace is that he’s better than Jared Leto and he is just insanely weird, but still he’s fine. Probably because, as you mentioned, he reminds of the Joker from the old cartoons/Silver Age.
Heath Ledger did The Joker so well that he ruined the character by every film depiction since doing some kind of terrible impression of him afterwards.
I genuinely hope to god that they cast Jim Carrey as Joker in the new DCEU. Not only does he physically fit the role, but he also has the acting chops to pull it off.
He's too old
@@johnLennon255So is the joker
I can't believe I never thought of that or no one ever tried to get him to play Joker. He's absolutely perfect. Even if it's just Jim Carrey being Jim Carrey I'd love to see it.
10:17 aged pretty roughly ngl
We had no idea what was coming 💀
@@TheOneTruePatriotseriously though, WTF HAPPENED?!! WHY IS THE FILM SO DOOKIE?!!
@@SuperMarioJesus idk but now there's less hope in me for seeing Joker on screen. Heath was the last best thing
I have a feeling Leto's Joker would be Joker's favorite Joker.
I knew Leto's Joker has been cut from the final version of the movie almost completely, but I had no idea how much of footage was left out, and seeing this video I realised how much was actually lost from his whole "method-acting to be Joker" thing, and I'm glad about that 😅
Jared Leto's Joker just wasn't scary. He always struck me as Justin Bieber breaking bad. Joker should have a sense of menace, that if you get in his way or just be in the wrong place at the wrong time, he might rip off your face to make a point or as a punchline.
This Joker, he feels like if you got in his way in Columbus Ohio let alone Gotham city, they'd find him laying face down in the city's sewage treatment pools.
Whoever wrote the line "I have practice juggling my multiple personalities" should be fired
The only, and I mean ONLY thing I like about this Joker is that for once, he exists solely to serve Harley’s story. Since in every other piece of media she’s in, Harley only exists to serve the Joker and his story. In this case, the Joker needs Harley to exist for once, and it’s a huge breath of fresh air
This is not true, harley has been her own character, with her own stories for quiet some time now.
I don’t mind young justice joker but that injustice one is the worst thing I’ve ever seen.
I remember thinking he was the worst as soon as I saw him in one scene.
Even worse than Jarrod Leto.
I love how the video straight up starts with Leto's face
Thumbs up for Kevin Conroy promoting your channel alone. He's sorely missed
I think the Joker from Kill the Justice League might be the new worst video game Joker.
leto's joker is basically what you get if you take Depp's Willy Wonka, get him addicted to meth and steal dialogue from an all 12yo COD lobby.
Joker 2 :/
Was half expecting that joker from Injustice to start chanting "TOGETHAA WE WILL DEVOUAHR THE VEHRY GHODDSZ!"
Still love how Jared had more screen time in a promotional music video
What an amazing video.
I couldn’t agree more.
31:05 Pollak’s Jack Nicholson imitation was so spot on would it have made a difference if he had used that voice instead of the one he used for “Injustice”?
While the movie may be a bit too weird overall and I understand the dislike for it, I loved the Joker in Batman: Ninja. He was just so animated and expressive, yet as seen in his final battle with Batman, he could be absolutely terrifying as well.
Weird, I thought I knew at least most of the DC video games but Batman: Dark Tomorrow flew right under my radar.
I can't really hate Leto's Joker because the character barely did anything. He wasn't even the focus of the movies he's in.
I think the worst Joker i ever saw was my friend during halloween.he called himself the Jokeler.
I actually agree with all of your takes.
Jared's Joker would have been fine to me... If this was a Batman Beyond movie and is the Joker for that timeline.
i love the one fan theory about Jerod Leto's Joker that he was actually jason todd after he got abused by the joker and turned into that just to piss batman off
The problem is that Ben Affleck is physically younger than Jared Leto, so unless they make Robin his co-partner instead of side kick this theory doesn't make any sense
remember when Teen Titans Go roasted Jared Leto Joker?
The Injustice Joker sounds like an old leprauchan stuck in a nursing home.
For the Young Justice version there's something they could play on that might be interesting. "MY multiple personalities." What if it's like there's personalities that we just don't see? Like you said YJ skips over a TON of events between seasons 1 and 2.
Jared Leto looks like Maryland Manson trying to be joker
Waitll they get a loud of joker 2
Yea..
You'r completely right about tatoos not belonging on the joker. One of the most consistent or at least belonging overlooked features of the joker is his boomer attitude when dealing with youngsters. That involves his strict ideals for dresscodes and him being classy and debonair.
All these Jokers suffer from bad writing/dialogue, not the performance, not the visual (except for Letto's), and not the setting.
I heard this version of the character had all his teeth chipped punched out and broken by Batman and that's why he has silver caps
Knowing that for most of the people "True Jokers" are those who doesn't have anything in common with character, my guess there's a list of comic-based Joker.
Jared Leto on the first second proves me right
Jared Leto isn't comic-based Joker, he was an attempt to "modernize" comic-based Joker that ended up going horribly wrong.
@@kingofcrap4414 He was based on All-star Batman and Robin, Batman R.I.P. and Return of the Dark Knight. Also actor was consulting with Grant Morrison himself about the Joker.
If the movie is bad, it doesn't mean that he's bad. Not to mention that he doesn't have to look or act like ledger and Phoenix, who doesn't have anything in common with the Joker
@@sobakaspyA bunch of stories that included bad renditions of DC characters? Basing anything off of All-Star Batman and Robin is a sure way to make bad media
2:35 TIL: Spencers' does in fact still exist.
It has outlasted RadioShack, Blockbuster and Hollywood Video and Music, used game stores not named "GameStop" and KB Toys. Also Toys R US is floundering while Spencers' is thriving.
P diddy joker