CW Continues Superman Hate In CW Crossover Elseworlds
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- Опубліковано 11 гру 2018
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"Elseworlds" an Arrowverse crossover event, featuring episodes of the tv series The Flash, Arrow, and Supergirl on The CW. The event is a three part crossover which began on December 9, 2018, with The Flash, continued on Arrow on December 10, and concluded on Supergirl on December 11. Here is John’s review of the epic event. - Розваги
One of the things I really appreciate about the Wonder Woman movie, is that it didn't need to make the men in the film weak, stupid and useless in order to show that Diana is strong. They were often brave and capable and contributing to the story and action, despite having no super powers. Diana's not strong in comparison, she's just strong.
I bet Wonder Woman 2 will with Patty Jenkins directing
It did do that lol
Alcoholism, vanity, PTSD, love; the men in that are thwarted at every turn.
That's exactly how a Female character and her costars need to be portrayed. I'm starting to warm up to Captain Marvel. I just hope it doesn't get Me Too'ed to death. I know one thing for sure though. They're not emasculating Samuel L. Jackson.
adam quane I think those vices were to illustrate the story's message: that humanity (not exclusively men) were flawed, and that war caused damage.
Diana starts the film with a very clear, black-and-white view of the world (humans were good, Ares was bad, stop Ares and you stop the badness). However, when she actually joins the world, she has to join forces with flawed people: a liar, a murderer, a smuggler, and one who was all 3. Yet these are the people she actually forms a bond with and has to rely on to complete her mission. She realized that humanity as a whole has a dark side, and Ares just exploited it (Ludendorff's lust for power, and Dr. Poison's sadism).
This helps Diana to decide to fight for her values and what she believes in (in her case, love) rather than fallible humans.
It was a wise choice in my opinion, as they found a way to make a hero raised in a society of warriors likable without glorifying war.
@@2Tall2ActSmall she did direct ww2(ww84) releasing in 2020.
If you have a good character, you should not need to denigrate another good character in order to make them look good.
Agree with you here.
They need to do this tho cause the supergil character and the show is boring and they put in the 3rd wave feminist agenda crap in there.
Exactly, and thats what Aquaman got right. All characters on Aquaman were powerful and competant on their own. A huge bowl of badassery. Now yes, Manta was weak compared to anyone else but I believe thats because they wanted to build him better in a possible sequel but yeah you don't make a strong character by making everyone else around him/her dumbasses. That doesnt mean you even built a strong character, Matter of fact, You just proved to me that main character is really fucking average
@@zizoegy8460 agree with you on aquaman and black manta was not weak in my opinion they did a great job with him and like I've said many times over if they do a sequel to aquaman black manta should be the main villain.
People forget just because they get these characters doesn’t mean all the limitations on these characters are gone. Are you guys going to pay there lawsuit bill if they get sued by someone saying there characters is too much similar to another.
I never liked the Supergirl show and could never finish a whole season seeing how all the male characters are treated .
I wanted to die after 3 episodes
Season 4 has strong male characters like Manchester Black and Agent Liberty. In fact Manchester Black has been shown to outsmart Supergirl. Maybe you could try season 4 directly.
@@theanti-monitor6816 there's 4 seasons of that hot garbage?
Maybe I’m not really holding by breath with the rest of the writing .
Why is my little cute red head Jimmy a tall black man?
Lois was bad too. :) I only made it a couple episodes into Supergirl, but seeing lois introduced was cringe. I heard "It's better with Supergirl, a Harvard study says women handle a crisis better than men." (omg cringe). Then, after Clark praising Lois as the greatest reporter ever for a couple minutes, Lois replies "Ya, but this great reporter is still making 21C less per dollar than her male counterparts."
Yikes Superman, get out!, get out now! :)
yeah that line was terrible. theres no chance a company hiring two journalists who are ...married, are they married in this or just dating. either way they know how much they each make. theres no way the company is paying them differently. ths show writing is absolute dilusional propaganda garbage.
@@ge2719 Ya, and also that it's illegal to pay people differently with the same circumstance/experience. The 21C less myth comes from differences in jobs, time/experience, asking for raises. - it doesn't account for pregnancy leave, experience, different hours worked (more overtime/less overtime), asking for raises - when all those are factored in it's the same, and has to be by law. It's not like a company can say 'you're a woman so you get 5$/hr less' or something. With companies focused on money, if they could get the same candidates for less per hr. - then that's what they'd do, men wouldn't be getting employed anywhere. :)
@@michaelwesten1764 its even more simplistic than that. The average they used was a median. So if you take ever full time worker in the country seperate them out male vs female. Put then in rank order. The middle man and middle woman earn different amounts of money.
I love Lois Lane, her character has been sullied and shit on, for years, but in the last thirty years it's been a good run for her. I'll just say Erica Durance. I don't know who that semi attractive woman with Superman was, (of course I know who the actress is,) but that's also a problem for me. Bitsy Tulloch belonged on GRIMM, and I can't see her as anyone else. My problem I suppose, but she just wasn't Loisy.
Michael Lefort exactly. :). I loved Grimm.
"The world doesnt need Superman if they've got supergirl. "
"Yeah girls are better at crisis anyway."
I mean at least be subtle CW like damn
Supegirl: You'll take my powers and crest, but you're afraid to take my gender?
That's where I lost it. Oh, and Cisco literally saying in front of Superman "Kara is my favorite Kryptonian, that's right I have a favorite Kryptonian"
I just don't get it. IN 99.9 percent of all Superman appearences he's just the best at everything. This one series doesn't do that and you lose your collective minds? Weird bro, I didn't realize it was a religion.
@@Unworshipediety ya know, there is a different between a rivalry of power, and one where they literally and purposely undersell the character to make the other one look good. Of course people gonna be mad. Empathize. Seem like everyone forget that these day. You dont have to agree to understand the other side of the coin.
@@Unworshipediety It's not so much that she's better, it's how it is all handled and explained. It seems like the show all it does is use Superman as a prop, rather than a character, to establish that Supergirl is stronger... just cus. And it's not just Superman, it seems like every male character is meant to be much lesser than their male counterparts. It's GRRL POWER! To the Nth Degree. Thing is, it doesn't really handle it in a funny way, rather they play that shit straight. Lena has been hinted at to be smarter than Lex and I'm sure they'll bring him in to prove it. Also, Brainiac 5, a literal 12th Level intelligence being couldn't help Kara from the Kryptonite poisoning, but Lena could? If you don't see that as BS, I don't know what to tell you. I hate Batman and love Superman, but if I was a writer on a BM/SM series, I wouldn't spend the entire time shitting on Batman, cus that shit would get old and is demeaning to the character that people love, see the point?
3 times in the episode they fought. they state how Supergirl is stronger... 3 times! The show is about as subtle as a bull in a china shop
Here's my two cents.
1. In the show Smallville, Clark never needed to fight Kara to prove his strength.
2. In the show Smallville, Kara never needed to emotionally validate Clark, she offered him support and advice and that was good enough
3. In CW Supergirl, Kara for some weird reason needs emotional validation multiple times by every individual. At least it is for different events (mostly).
a. In CW Supergirl, Superman in a short time span for the same event emotional validates Supergirl multiple times. Very odd to emphasis this one point.
b. In CW Supergirl, Superman informs Supergirl she is the "Champion of Earth" as if he is not need and/or doesn't want to be Superman anymore. Very odd coming from the man who exemplifies using power responsibly and being the best example of humanity.
4. In CW Supergirl, Kara's sister seems to be a sadist with a lot of sibling issues...this may be one of the reasons for Kara's need for emotional validation.
The 3 and 4 point is really interesting.
It's true. In Supergirl, it's always the same thing. Her friends offer to go with her, she gets all "I don't need your protection!"... like a real bitch. Clark in Smallville, NEVER reacted like that. If his friends wanted to go, he would go with them. If they didn't know his secret, he would frown a bit because they would slow him down, but he would never react like a bitch.
Smallville's Clark had his issues, needed support, but so many times he took the emotions and hurt he got from Lana, and bottled it up and walked out and dealt with it on his own.
Kara who wants to be all alone, always needs help and turns to them.
And we get it. Women power. Supergirl, Star Wars, you've all run that into the ground. WE KNOW. Women can work. Women can vote. Enough.
@UncleFriis Smallville does not suck. It overstayed its welcome yes, it lacked a lot of action yes, but it was a TV show, limited with what graphics they had etc. Smallville paved the way for the reshaping of Superhero films.
Marvel saw they could do it on the big screen. DC wanted to fit in etc. Smallville basically started it all.
Super Girl is a victim of oppression and needs to be validated constantly just like most Millenial Liberals on Social Media.
The best Kara Zor-el/Supergirl was, is and ever will be Laura Vandervoort. For the big screen (for now) it was Helen Slater !
I legit fast forwarded through all the kara scenes in the crossover. Don't have time for that bullShit.
You must have missed the part where lois lain says there's a gender pay gap then. Lucky you.
same here
Same. Plus, Supergirl is the only cw show I don't watch
SAME!!!!
@@emberd-l795 I couldn't believe what I was hearing lmao.
we all know that henry cavill superman will destroy both supergirl and superman from cw at the same time nonetheless
Agree
Yeah, he'd kill them 😂
@diascrive that does not correlate to the comment though. Whether the writers did a good job with the story or not does not take away the fact that their portrayal of superman's strength especially when he resurrected in justice league completely dwarfs the cw version.
@diascrive dont blame it on cavil
He'll snap their necks
I KNEW John Campea was going to be pissed off at the 3rd part of the crossover!!!!!! I saw this coming!!!
@Douglas Ducote Not exactly the CW Superman. He is a hater of how the CW hates on Superman.
Douglas Ducote you gotta prove his points wrong
Douglas Ducote who taught you to speak? What are you even saying?
I didn't watch it because I knew they were going to make Superman look weak again.
Douglas Ducote didn’t know you were allowed to use words from “the word “
They nailed Clark's/Superman's character but they keep using him as a way to prop up Supergirl. Why have him on the show if his sole purpose is to explain/show the audience that Supergirl is better than him in every way. Kara your stronger, Kara your smarter, Kara you have a better temperament, Kara your all the world needs, give us a break.
It's supergirl shows not Superman...lmao
Ya that conversation really unnerved me. I get that he was trying to increase her confidence but it really just made him look like a pushover
@@thanos6635 That doesn't matter there is a reason why Superman is the most popular hero and not Supergirl why do you think nobody ever says something like "who would win in a fight Goku vs Supergirl"
Thanos That's like saying you join my show, and constantly tell me how better I am and shit. You're shitting on yourself and that doesn't look good for anyone.
In the comic books you know what the shows are based on Supergirl was stronger than Superman. When they were fighting the anti monitor she was the last person standing. Male or Female. Why is it such a problem that she is depicted as stronger on the show if she was already shown to be stronger in the source material?
Supergirl has been the least watched series for myself and my friends. We've all given up on it. And, CW pay attention, I'm the only male in the group. You're losing female viewers for a female-centric show, because you're doing it all wrong. Feminism isn't the entirety of women. It is a faction, not the whole. Don't pander to a group representing anything less than the majority, if you want to make bank.
They can do that with out making Superman look inadequate.
"Its not about money... it's about sending a message"
- The Joker
Yeah.. I'll have to absolutely agree. The CW is full feminist with supergirl.
For me put down Superman doesn't help feminist and Supergirl tv show... we know Superman abilities and this is ridiculous what is happening on Supergirl with his character(even if my favorite character is Batman)....I stopped watching this show since season 2...it is too cheesy and boring...
They're full feminist with all the shows lol.
How can it feminist if Superman is weaker than supergirl?
Norberto Torres comic wise? Hell no, Clark is far above supergirl currently, she's gonna be stronger when she gets older
@@2norberto is that a joke?
John don't worry about Batman being a jobber for for Green Arrow because he's 100% going to be one for Batwoman.
Spore6001 so true. You could see them laying the seeds for it in episode two of the crossover.
Ooooh...that burns.
To be fair, at least Batman will job for Batwoman in a dark and gritty way😜
If they do that Imma stop watching all the CW DC shows and just stick with the DC Universe app because the Titans show already shits on every CW DC show as it is and it's just on season 1.
Pretty sure the dude is busy with Gotham and Titan to gaf about CW series.
The supergirl show hates the strong male characters
They hate Supergirl too. She is always the damsel in distress that has to be rescued by Alex or Martian Manhunter or Brainiac 5 or Lena Luthor.
It's a shame. The concept is great and I still love the show. I just wish they'd lose all the dam politics. It's so irritating. They're constantly screaming about diversity and feminism. They even dedicated a whole episode to gun control. I push through it all and jst pretend it never happened but wow it's hard.
brandon baerga uhh the most hated characters in the arrowverse are the strong female characters... Iris, Felicity, Laurel, and Nora are the most hated characters by far, and it’s always by the male fan base.
James Films the feminism really shouldn’t bother you. Idk why some of us men are so sensitive about that shit. Just think about every comic book movie/tv show ever, what do the majority of them have in common? The strongest or main character is always a guy, same with the villain. We have been dominating this industry for so damn long. Of course when the chicks finally get their own show they really try to play up the female angle of it, they should... the feminism and man bashing shouldn’t bother anyone, and if it does we should be strong enough to deal with it. ... all the shit women have to put up with, compared to men, they deserve to have one superhero universe that treats their character like she’s the top dog. It’s amazing how many men are actually angry about this, like we honestly can’t handle this one time when they get to have the top hero lol. We always are, we don’t need it here. Let them have it
I don't care about strong female characters as long as it's actually written well and not forced. Making a character a strong women for the sake of them being a strong women is the problem I have. This is what's happening with supergirl and superman as explained by John. There is no reason why she is stronger than superman other than the writers/crew wanting her to be stronger and it appears they want this just cause she's a female and for no other reason. Theres an episode in the flash where all the girls team up to defeat Amunet. This isn't a problem, in fact I didn't even realise it was all females until the end of the episode where, if my memory serves me right, they make a point of girl power and how they're all so brilliant for accomplishing this without the men. It's not a huge problem, it's just cringe and unnecessary and reminds me of politics (something I would like to get away from every once in a while, esspecially in TV shows). I think The CW, more specifically Supergirl does a great job with their strong female characters simply for the fact that I don't think of them as strong female characters, rather just good characters. There's just a few missteps in there that reminds be or the horrors that is third wave feminism.
But no hero is stronger than superman (so far, in the cw), that's how he was written and people don't want that to change.
Also for the record, Wally West (at least as he was in season 3 of the flash) is probably my least favourite character. But there's a good reason the female characters are disliked a lot by the large majority.
Supergirl is also probably my favourite show in the Arrowverse right now. Although my favourite show switches pretty regularly (every half season or so). I love the cliff hanger we were left with on episode 8
When Kara effortlessly defeated Superman, during their first encounter, was the moment i knew CW didn't care for him. Thereafter she had the audacity to send him off to handle crowd control.......thats boster golds job! or plastic man, not the founding member of justice league and the corner stone of the entirety of DC comics!
That happened? Glad I don't watch it
Kinda like how in the Soundwave episode of the recent Transformers: Robin's in Disguise show, Optimus prime went: "I shall engage Laserbeak!" *And got his metallic hide kicked.*
Hence why I said "recent".
If you had actually watched that episode you’d have known that she didn’t defeat him “effortlessly” by any means. Took everything she had, and she passed tfo afterwards
Oy I stopped watching before that. CW is terrible for superhero genre. The only saving grace was Gossip Girl and Supernatural in its final season. After Sam and Dean are gone, so am I.
Yeah, unfortunately, the only reason Sups is on the show is to keep telling us how much better Supergirl is than him.
So true, I don't doubt it will happen the same way with Batman when he appears in batwoman
I can't stand that shit
Andddd this is why I DO NOT WANT BATMAN IN THE ARROWVERSE.
Amen!!!
So true!
He already exists, he's called Arrow... great writing.
@@ToonGrin Nope
Joe Gaunt Second that!!
Superman gets his ass kicked by a guy who's had his powers for 5 minutes... Supergirl knocks him away with one heat vision... Also Superman deciding to abandon Metropolis for more than a year to go have a baby with Lois is almost as out of character as Batman abandoning Gotham for over three years because it "was too hard on him". Like seriously. That's laughable.
Um, no its not. Superman hanging up his cape after having a kid with Lois is directly lifted from the comics. He does exactly this when he and Lois have Jonathan. They move to California, assume new Identities, and he does his superhero stuff only on the down low. And ya now, Batman abandoning Gotham during No Man's Land. Someone needs to read some comics it seems.
@Spore6001, Batman has left Gotham before. I suggest you read the comics, otherwise, keep quiet.
they make the man of steel worthless?? and batman is gone over the years?? whats the point..these guys are legend...john campea is right..
The Batman is this universe is the same one in the Nolan universe. He did go away to Paris at the end of TDKR
The Batman abandonment gets a pass. Plus, it was never confirmed WHY he left or is missing.
I just hope they don't do the same stuff with Batman using Batwoman....
They probably will. The whole is the switch over some of the characters to have more female main characters in the universe. Superman and batman are basically the main attraction of DC but they decided to make a supergirl show and I would be surprised if they come up with a batwomen show just because. Now maybe its just because CW doenst have rights to those characters maybe but the fact of the matter is that Supergirl and Batwomen aren't the lynchpin characters worthy of having TV shows before the big guns. again, it could be an issue of legal rights.
Batman is DC'S loved character and it has a loyal unhealthy fanbase. WB won't allow it, plus it could hurt their views.
They would probably do catwoman instead, much more popular character than batwoman. Oh they are actually doing batwoman.....lame. I hate the gender swap heroes, why not do the actual original female superheroes like catwoman or poison ivy. Titans has starfire, raven and dove, it works pretty well. Boring as hell having characters who are the same but just their gender is different.
WE would roit.
@@TheJayair Batman's fanbase consists Ninjas too..I hope they consider that XD
Batman..."Tahiti, its a magical place"
I stopped watching Supergirl after season 3. I love the characters but the feminist lies and propaganda got too much. I went back for the crossover and was introduced to Lois Lane who actually mentioned the wage gap. That's how regressive the show has become.
That happened in Flash episode and was written by Flash writers.
You made it to season 3??.... Lol, Man YOU are the true hero bro
Wage gap :D They brought that?
I gave up after season 1. Read up on some season 2 episodes and realized that I had made a wise decision.
@@davidj8580 I really enjoyed series 1. It had feminist undertones but you could ignore them. Every series since then has got more blatant. For me, it's become completely unwatchable. Admittedly, I stayed with it far longer than I should have done but my girlfriend was still enjoying it and I did make her watch 7 seasons of Game of Thrones. It was only fair
John.. you're late to this party. It's not just Superman with CW.
They have Iris running Team Flash.
ArchAngelEmmanuel WE’RE The Flash! 🙄
@@LosAngelesLaker I hate that line, lol
Team Flash? LOL what a joke! We all know its actually Iris and her bitches :v they don´t care about The Flash anymore!
Wait until Oliver will die during next crossover and we will have female Arrow, Supergirl, Batwoman and "We are the flash". I hate how much politycal agenda is messing with something that in this area should at least try to be simple.
@@ayowhead8991 That's what happens when your cinematic universe is run by Jews. They can't seem to make anything without inserting their political agenda. It's all from the Frankfurt School's critical theory. You might have heard it called cultural marxism before.
IMHO, it doesn't make sense from a Mythos point of view that Supergirl would be stronger than Superman. In Man of Steel, Jor-El says, "Earth's sun is younger and brighter than Krypton's was. Your cells have drunk in its radiation, strengthening your muscles, your skin, your senses. Earth's gravity is weaker, yet it's atmosphere is more nourishing."
Considering that Superman has been living on earth with all of its benefits for 5-10 years minimum longer than Kara, and considering that males generally have more muscle mass and physical strength than females, it stands to reason that Superman would be physically stronger and more generally powerful. Add to that the fact that Superman has been doing this gig 5-10 years longer, he has that many more years experience fighting super powered bad guys. In light of all that, the idea that Superman is inferior to Supergirl is laughable.
Getting real tired myself of Supergirl's feminist, social justice agenda. I may well stop watching it soon if things don't turn around.
Again, MHO.
Then again, Supergirl was a teenager when she left Krypton. She developed under it's superior gravity. Her body can actually be more strongly built because of it, since Clark had significantly less exposure to the gravity of his home planet. It's like with astronauts who have to constantly train when they are stationed in orbit, their bones and muscles atrophy. Also, Superman had been absorbing Earth's proteins instead of Krypton's and who knows what that may have done to him.
@@Mosydys If that was true than wouldn't Zod be stronger than both superman and supergirl? He lived on krytpon until he was a full grown adult
@@donalddavenport5224 He, on the other hand, has much less experience with powers, than both Clark and Kara.
Thank you
I'm glad I didn't put any time into these shows. The first episode of Supergirl was enough for me. Now that they disrespect superman so bad makes me happier to stay away. Superman is the nucleus of the DC Universe.
I watched the first episode and then Superman's debut episode. The last episode of SG i watched was when Superman was evil and he said at the end, "You beat me. I wasn't holding back". I was like, "aaaah here we go".
frank ponds same
I do not like Batwoman. Her portrayal looks so one dimensional with one liner dialogue. And why was she so angry and brooding when she walked to put on her costume? The red wig looks so weird and all over the place.
That walk was just embarrassing. Her chin was almost touching her chest as she was TRYING to look tough and failing miserably. Classic overacting.
I thought that too. Hopefully that fix it when her show airs.
She's like a one to one female version of Batman, which makes her even more underwhelming
I wish Batwoman's costume looked more like armour and she had more of a backstory but i guess that the backstory will come when the Batwoman show gets aired. I just hope that the CW does not make her a Mary Sue and actually have her develop and grow as a character throughout the entire series.
She wears a red wig to distinguish between her and the persona so she cant be found out. The anger is probably because in her actual origins within the comics she has PTSD from a war she participated in
strong male character: exists
Supergirl Writers:
The Flash is the only good show they have left and even it is starting to go south. I am about done with the CW!
The reveal of RF working with Nora might make season 5 along the same quality as 1 and 2 imo
It’s already going south
These shows were fine until Supergirl got added to the mix. That show has been nothing but a cancer to the Arrowverse!
EXACTLY!! I'm in the same boat. Flash is the only show I watch now.
Arrow is way better but it starting to suck cause they repeating the same story with emiko
These shows have even bigger problems than disrespecting Superman
Disagree
I think they didn't. They could've treated him way better but he wasn't disrespected. I think John is really weird with that.
@@captainmalcolmreynolds1526 I think bad acting and bad writing are bigger problems
@@captainmalcolmreynolds1526 How lol
@@Chronicpatchkids Do you ever praise anything good about the CW, or do you just ignore anything good and focus on the bad? Currently, Arrow and Black lighting are at their best and are examples of what more of the CW shows should be. Say what you want about the other shows, but Arrow and Blacklighting have *not* had bad writing this season.
Superman is just a jobber to Supergirl, reminding us that Supergirl is "stronger". Which is bullshit.
Adriel Ortega did you just say the exact same thing he did and post it?
I mean comic wise it’s technically correct and is said in the comics she is stronger but never really proven though .
@@captainmalcolmreynolds1526 Isn't she only stronger because Superman spent years creating a mental barrier limiting his strength and Kara didn't? She just shows up with full power while Superman is trying to take down the mental barriers.
This is the way it is in the comics so it's not that crazy.
@@wadewilson8924 Yup, cause I felt like it. Lol
I can't help but feel like this is some poor Bizarro with inadequacy issues rather than the actual Superman.
I was not feeling the actress who played Lois Lane. One of the worst Lois’s ever.
She's absolutely terrible as Louis
Honestly, I thought the same exact thing. She was absolutely horrendously written and terribly acted. Couldn't stand lois in this crossover. But this kind of garbage is to be expected with the CW.
Best Lois Lane ever was Erica Durance from Smallville !
Bitsie Tulloch.
Flipping the bird moment was great.
Can you for once just shut up!
@@MasterPiece-rg7ed he's not talking so not possible
@@MasterPiece-rg7ed Its no use, this guy will never disappear. He'll forever lurk all superhero related videos on youtube.
MasterPiece 1419 no he’s a UA-cam treasure lol
Without a single video, he has 386 subscribers. He's a nerd legend!
To all the people who are drinking the Campea Kool Aid and probably didn't even watch the crossover. The only reason he said the world doesn't need him if they have her is because "HE IS GOING TO ARGO TO GET MARRIED AND RAISE A CHILD" therefore he won't be around for a while so he has to believe Kara can handle the load. We got Superman vs. Black suit Superman why are you complaining
Exactly. People are focused on Lois' "ball-breaking" of Clark .She was clearly messing with him to get him to lighten up and let Kara handle protecting the Earth for a while.
yeah that fight lasted at most 5 minutes. Also the comics for a certain time had Clark being superman and raising a child. SO no issue as to why he can't do both.
Jerrell Williams Superman getting married is poison for that character. Always has been, always will be. With that said, I see your point. They do shit on Superman on that show though. They constantly have him not being able to do something or failing at something so they can have supergirl do it and save the day. Again, you don’t have to make Superman suck yo make Kara look good. They can both be boosted. Use them to compliment each other, not as a comparison to put Kara over.
I thought that I was the only one! It's not just Superman, it's men as a whole! One weird thing, is how they(Superman and Supergirl)look as if they are the same age, Superman was already a matured man and supergirl arrived as a kid! And all of a sudden, she's a grown woman and Superman is still a young man! Wtf
That part is legit in the comics, he's not as old as kingdom come Superman but Kryptonians Age way slower than humans (and Poetentially live forever) again everything else you said is correct.
Not going to say this to justify CW, but Supergirl is faster than Clark but is not overall stringer. Just saying this the writers of Supergirl do piss me off of not writing a decent Superman. Also, they nerfed the shit out of my boy Martian Manhunter, like WTF. He's supposed to be "The most powerful being on Earth" and hasn't even gone toe to toe with the main baddies, not saying he should obviously it's Supergirl's show, but like tag him in more often he's fucking OP
Man, I’m so glad you say it out loud! I hate that CW wants so much to make a show « for girls » that they have to humiliate Superman and turn him into a joke! I hate it! I hate seeing him having his ass kicked by Supergirl in season 2 I guess. I hate all that.
He didn't get his ass kicked. Supergirl just barely survived and won only by sucker punching him after hiding her fist in her cloak. Even she fell unconscious after that.
Im a cw flash fan, so i hope the next crossover is handle by those showrunners, who had been teasin infinite earths since season one and i hope they dont screw it up...this one was ok, not great like crisis, but the first episode was fun and the swap between barry and oliver was cool, still disapointed that kara never has a storyline in the crossover, thats why she will never seem cool, cause she is just there
i dont want crisis. with the way arrow is going so far this season and the obvious trade oliver made with the monitor he is going to be the one who dies and i dont want arrow to end
@@scottiepalm8911 i have enjoy arrow in the past, and watching stephen in this crossovers is always cool.my concern is that for years the crisis event has been tease has a big story for the flash, where he vanish, so with the trade oliver did with the monitor it seems like they will make everything about him, again. I get that he is the original lead of the show, but him being at the center of that one will piss me off
Yep. That one liner of Superman made me throw down the remote...yet again with this show. First was the giving up guns for their anti-gun agenda.
You know what else got me pissed when Supergirl literally was threatening Black suited superman with "you take my powers but not my gender are to scared to be a woman??". I can't believe it I kid you not but I was rooting for the villain at this point.
This was beautiful. That's why I subscribed, John rocks.
The show is terrible. I only watch it for the cross over
Same
Glad I'm not the only one to do this.
Same
Superman soaked up yellow sun radiation since he was baby landing on earth so obviously he stronger. He had mentors like his biological father who taught him how to use his power,earth father and mother giving him restraint and morals and Batman who taught him how to fight. In CW show his older than her and more experience in fighting but they make him a wussy. The feminist show makes him weak compared to comics. Yes women don't hold back when fighting like a man fighting a woman but Supes on show is weak considering he fought Doomsday,Darkseid,Antimonitor,Lex Luthor,Imperex etc. Where who taught Kara. She a derivative character like Batwoman,she-hulk,spiderwoman etc to satisfy feminist. Bad writing like half alien Captain marvel have more power than alien Kree themselves, Sentry having more 1000 suns power when he was given a man made concentrated super soldier serum or she hulk getting little blood from cousin and all of sudden she stronger than him. Get real wtf. Wonder woman was great both sexes were equals. CW stop making Superman a wussy. He is the first Super hero of which every writer creator try to create character stronger and better than him.
Well Supergirl had been rotating around the sun at an even closer distance for like 30 years so she's more powerful.
@@tochiokeke5478 Stronger? He taught her how to use free breath. Who taught her to fight? Her adopted sister? Duh Batman is way better fighter who was taught by Rais ul Gul. Batman taught Superman to fight. You need to read research the comics
@@majedie821 But these aren't talking about the comics are they? In the comics all these characters are much different than their counterparts on TV.
@@tochiokeke5478 that's not true in that continuity. And that's not true in most
.a shitty retcon for no reason because they don't want a girl to have a man as mentor perhaps. Who knows how Americans think nowadays
In crisis on infinite earths comics, they showed that Supergirl is stronger than Superman so based on that, they developed this logic for the Supergirl show.
And yet, I find it funny how people say that the CW should’ve done the movies. As a Superman fan, they made him weak af 😤😡 Batman ever shows up, don’t be surprised if Batwoman will easily beat him in a fight.
Batwoman defeated Batman in the comics.
Kayoss13212 nah they'll never do that to Batman. Superman yes in a heartbeat but not Batman.
@@_KaraBlack_ except sshe never did, you're confusing batwoman with Cassandra Cain batgirl. Batwoman is the weakest fighter in the batfamily and D.C. even emphasized this in their last animated movie.
Saurabh Adhikari Except Man of Steel was beautiful
Even tho she wouldn't if they did the TV right based off comics and not 3rd wave feminist agenda
Which part was this in
I only have time for one ep
There is no hate for Superman on the CW. DC wanted to limit the use of Superman and Batman on tv and save them for movie properties. Superman got a terrific showcase in Elseworlds: we meet Lois Lane, visit the Kent farm and the Fortress of Solitude, and watch a badass fight between Superman and an evil Superman based on the Injustice version of the character (probably the most expensive set piece in the whole crossover event). The whole team takes down the villain, because this is an Arrowverse event, not just the Superman show. If anything, Supergirl got the least attention of the main heroes in the crossover: Barry and Oliver’s relationship was the main focus, introducing Batwoman and showcasing Superman and Lois was the secondary one,
It essentially comes down to this: They have to prop up the characters who have with their own shows on the CW. Oliver and Company save the day because they own three nights of the CW schedule. Besides, any DC fan knows that an Earth One without Superman and Batman isn't actually Earth One and that the so-called Arrowverse would make more sense as Earth 38.
Gender politics John, gender politics.
In the comic books you know what the shows are based on Supergirl was stronger than Superman. When they were fighting the anti monitor she was the last person standing. Male or Female. Why is it such a problem that she is depicted as stronger on the show if she was already shown to be stronger in the source material?
If the writing were not pedantic and so poorly done, then it’d be one thing, but it’s just bad. Like STD bad.
@@time2rowco999 because the way they did it is disrespectful to both Superman and Supergirl. For superman this is bad because the most iconic superhero keeps getting trashed all the time. And for Supergirl it is disrespectful because as a woman she should be able to have her merits and feats stand alone and not be measured by what a male counterpart does.
It is all because CW is obsessed by current politically correct movements and the only way they know how to do it is with radical feminism.
@@time2rowco999 One being stronger than the other doesn't mean that one is the all around superior super heroe, and the other is just a complete loser. That's like saying between Tom Hanks and Denzel Washington Tom Hanks is the better actor, therefore, Denzel is a complete loser that could't act even if his life depended on it.
Or he not main character
Really i thought the flash was the one who kept getting ass kicked
Hope this video hits 100k. I can’t think of the last Campea video that did so
This is why I stopped watching Supergirl.
Will Varela I stopped watching after the flash super girl cbs crossover. I couldn't careless about supergirl
I tried it on CBS and the CW. Now I just watch it on the crossover episode. They reminded me that I'm not missing much.
Legends is the show to stop watching. It's gone DOWNHILL and cheesy.
(Season 1 and 2 were great classics)
But Now it's GIANT stuffed animals, Evil Unicorns with "sparkle juice", Fairy god mothers, and muppets!
DC's best show this season so far is the new TITANS.
(The Doom Patrol and Wonder Girl episodes are the best ones so far).
(except for episode 9, which was about Pedophillia. what a waste of an hour. the writers should know that there is a difference between being dark and being disgusting.) I am Still pissed off that they snuck that shit of an episode in without any warning. So I'm giving everyone a heads-up. you can skip that disgusting episode.)
they got back on track with ep 10 though.
You were brave enough to start watching it
CW hates Superman because Warner won’t let them use him in a solo series
Its due to the entire DC fanbase shitting on superman for the past 30 something years
Hunter Trecartin don’t get it twisted buddy, the DC fan base loves Superman he’s DC comics poster boy along with Batman, people dislike him mainly because of preference
No they hate him because he's a white man
@Hunter Trecartin
I didnt see it that way. People find Superman "boring" and he is less popular then Batman. And because he is Batmans opposite some Batman fans shit on him. But not in that level and only when they want to put Batman on a higher podest.
@Black Ninja NO....Smallville did NOT give us Superman...they gave us Clark Kent
They did to Superman the same thing they did to Luke. Just there to make Rey look good and then he disappears
man you've summed up exactly how i feel about the way they treat superman in that show. its beyond ridiculous
Honestly i never understood the Cw's attempts at making Supergirl more powerful than Superman without introducing any logical reasoning behind it. It just cheapens her character even more than they already do. Supergirl doesn't need for everyone to be nerfed to be exceptionnal, but i suppose some people are dumb
In the animated movie Batman said Supergirl absorbs the yellow sun radiation more efficiently.
@@Fazzel Which is why i love that movie more than most media with Supergirl, a single line fixes the entire issue. The they have the exact same powers, except he's more experienced than her, so he should be able to beat her unless she's assisted by something.
But if you put a line like the one you just said, it fixes the problem, her being better than him makes sense since her potential is just naturally better than his. The problem is that the show never put an explanation like this in the series, so them saying that she's better than him just sounds stupid which cheapens her character
@@Fazzel that's still stupid. Why is it more efficient?
Why does efficient = better instead of different?
An efficient runner isn't faster because they're more efficient. They're faster because they're faster. 😕
@@sidjones16 because efficiency is a synonym for better. So yes if something is running more efficiently it is better.
Supergirl absorbing solar radiation faster is a narrative handicap, so to speak. It exists so that Kara can have super powers at a way faster pace than Clark ever could. He took his entire childhood to become strong enough. It only took days for Kara to do it in most renditions.
It doesn’t exist to make Supergirl stronger than him.
Omg I couldn't agree more. I have truly come to despise Supergirl bc of how the CW has treated Superman
Richard Miranda Me too, I honestly hope Superman fans stop watching Supergirl, because of how badly they treated Superman’s character.
The show is about supergirl, if you want to watch a show about Superman go watch something else.
@@ajnr6876 Or, you could not be willfully obtuse. You know you don't have to shit over one character to put over another, yes? If Black Lightning is brought into the Arrowverse, they don't need to make Supergirl look like an incompetent weakling to make Pierce look good.
There would be no Supergirl if it wasn't for Superman. There'd be no superheroes period. So show some fucking respect
LOL it’s been two years since I last watch arrow the flash I’m not going to get back into it ever again I can’t believe it’s still airing on TV
It was more of a Quantum Leap than Freaky Friday
But John, DC already humiliated Batman. He got bitchslapped by Alfred in Gotham and was the Hawkeye of Justice League. So nothing really new here.
I luved this crossover and John that superman rant was glorious had me lmao.
3:20 dude you still don't understand the reason why they hate superman? look at the word "super *Man* " see? duuh!
Superman has been soaking up yellow sun rays since infancy. It makes no sense that Supertits would be more powerful.
Man, John you ain't never lied. I'm in total agreement with everything you said. CW jobbed Superman like you won't believe --and hence, this is one of the many reasons I don't watch this shit. We go from Smallville to this? It's blatantly disrespectful. Not only that, but it seems like it's priority number one to destroy the Man of Steel and his legacy over at Warner and DC. It's like these Mr. BURNS level execs woke up one morning saying "Here's a great idea guys. Let's make the greatest Superhero of all time a bad guy AND a p-ssy." I mean, WTF?! I liked the Smallville throwback stuff and the cute proposal. But this Superman...Wow, his usefulness flew away with his cape, and his manhood apparently. Just one more reason I won't watch Supergirl. Ruby Rose was the highlight of this. Her Kate Kane seemed authentic.
Preach!! The scene where Barry and Kara, despite the possibility of dying, go to move the earth, and Oliver (a mere mortal) goes to confront The Monitor, all while Superman just stands there looking stupid had me pissed! The most powerful hero in DC just looking around dumbfounded and useless.
smallville disrespected superman so much more than the arrowverse
LOL over all the guys who claim they "Don't watch this shit" then go on detailed diatribes on how WB is disrespecting Superman.
Daniel Torres yeah, but at least they had story driven reasons for it. Learning new powers, becoming a new superhero, etc.
Kate Kane was shit. They used a lesbian actor to play a lesbian character and made Supergirl look gay too, at least bi-curious. Constantly pushing people to accept their inner gaylord.
Ruby Rose is skin and bones and looks completely unbelievable as a vigilante with no powers.
If you meant she looked good in the suit, yeah not bad. Alright, pretty good
I really liked the crossover, all three parts.
John Campea will say he LOVES something then will criticize every little thing about it
I stopped watching after the series was dropped by CBS-TV.
Criticize what you love, have you heard about that?
Do they still have 5 minutes of show, follow by 6 Minutes of commercials?
To all the people saying "It's Supergirl's show, of COURSE she'd be more powerful." I pose this:
- When was the last time Black Widow told Hawkeye it didn't matter if she survived a fight, so long as he lived?
- When was the last time Lady Sif told Thor how much more powerful he was than she?
- When in Black Panther did Okoye, or Nakia, or Shuri confide in each other how useless and powerless they were relative to T'Challa?
The problem is not with strong female characters. It's with lazy writing to weaken male characters so the female characters look strong by comparison.
Poor writing, regardless of people's opinions, should be criticized.
I know this is a late reply, but I 100% agree. Speaking as a woman and a feminist myself (but not a radical, regressive feminists that believe women are somehow superior) the writing is really insulting to me. The constant need to preach 'girl power' and the constant reassurances that Kara is better than literally everyone, as well as the over emphasis on the fact that she doesn't have a penis makes it seem like they're infantilizing us. Our actions should stand on their own merit; you don't need to praise every single damn positive thing someone does like they're 5 years old. If it's an extremely amazing thing, sure, but your mere existence shouldn't make everyone swoon.
They never treat male characters like this; they write them as capable of standing on their own. Why do supposedly strong female characters need constant reassurances and praise?
Natasha Romanoff doesn't need this pandering. Wanda Maximoff doesn't need this pandering. Why should supergirl?
This is a well written comment. Here is a cookie. 🍪
....tore him down in the movies to build up Batman
....now tearing him down in television to build up Supergirl
Cavill walked out, wouldn't be surprised if Hoechlin does the same...perhaps after the CW version of 'Death of Superman' which will probably happen sooner than later.
side note: was liking Ruby Rose as Batwoman, even if it's an unpopular opinion
GEMINIVice1 cavil is still superman. Chill..
Rochi Luffy Jason mamoa had an interview and confirmed that he is still superman. Ben affleck is still the Batman don’t listen to the rumors man..
At least someone else finally said the 1st one especially in the older animated movies
This guy is spot on. The way they treat Superman is appalling
I never thought about it but you're right. Superman has become "The Brooklyn Brawler" (an old-old WWF reference as one of the best jobbers ever or ECW's J.O.B. Squad with Al Snow).
When I heard those two lines in the Supergirl chapter I knew John was going to be steaming hot!
Yeah I loved all the advertisements putting Superman in the crossover and then I saw the third episode. Superman is my favorite superhero and this incarnation of him is terrible. You do not need to tear down male characters to show strong empowered female characters. They even have Lois Lane shit on him in this episode.
tssmith1701 “Open To All” 😂
Superman and Green Arrow took down Deegan. Are some guys so insecure that they felt threatened when Kara and Lois were talking shit and taking the piss out of Clark?
Superman welded the book. Superman defeated Deegan/Superman (with Green Arrow) Lois wants Clark to be with her during her pregnancy at Argo City and she was
breaking Clark's balls with her "feminist statistics" so he would trust Kara to be able to handle the job of protecting the Earth. You could see that as supportive of Kara
as he has been, he still see's Earth as his responsibility. The ball breaking was just Kara and Lois getting him to let go.
blkyank1 I didn't feel threatened, I felt insulted. Plus it's not like Cal was acting so arrogant he needed to be taken down a peg. He had just spent five minutes explaining how he was irrelevant and Kara was so much stronger than him prior to Lois piling on with her terribly written "joke" about men.
Case in point, Castlevania (the Netflix show), where after everything's done and dusted. Sypha credits Trevor for being a lot of help, and says that helping her & Alucard made him complete as well as a better person.
Take notes CW.
They don't hate superman, they just CAN'T use it due to MOVIES. Why did we see Batwoman instead of Batgirl, Nightwing or Batman? This due to studios right.
I was tempted to start watching Supergirl on netflix , but now that you've shown me the light, I see I would of wasted my time.
The actor playing Flash is way too young, and his costume looks ridiculous.
The early 1990s Flash was way superior. Oh, and Jimmy Olsen in Supergirl is
totally miscast.
Please, please don’t let the greatest superhero ever Batman be in Batwomen
Superman > Batman
Beerus Damn Right! \S/
Batman should be in arrow
Batman is already, as Superman calls him, "the most dangerous man on earth." I think I had that comic book that that first Justice League show came from in which those aliens (Martians?) took down the entire Justice League, including Superman and Wonder Woman, but Superman, while trapped with the rest of them, was not worried in the least, was completely unconcerned with how the situation appeared. And he told those aliens ver to confidently, 'You forgot something.'
'What?'
"The most dangerous man alive." Batman showed up at that same moment and took care of business.
And who can forget Batman going to Apokalips and came correct with Darkseid? That must he one of the coolest things I think I have ever seen of all things Batman has ever done. Batman vs Predator is my favorite series. The Return of the Dark Knight is probably not considered canon, (at least I never thought of it as so), but the way Batman manhandled Superman is exactly the kind of thing Batman does. (That Batman vs Superman movie is a complete joke. Superman could have killed Batman at any time. Zack Snyder should be slapped royally for messing that comic book up like that. It's not even Batman's style to rely on pure luck like that.) Batman truly is the "world's greatest."
@@AGuyWithDice doesn't suit bats character to ever compliment someone doubt CW would do that suit supes more his always been like that. I doubt even emiko would take over since of what happened to the future I hope she turns out to be the big bad
I gotta admit, I really like the Supergirl show - but - I TOTALLY agree with your assessment of how CW treats Superman. The fans have been clamoring for a new Superman TV series and instead CW does this with the Last Kryptonian. Also - Superman protects Metropolis but is now going to have a baby with Lois on Argon - so does that mean Kara has to now protect both National City AND Metropolis while Superman plays "Mr. Mom"???
Well done John u r my hero!
superman should be a special attraction ...that you bring in and treat with care. Whilst I liked the actor and aspects of what he does...I do not like the way they made him look at times....they are bringing that character down in a way that hurt's him....if they are not careful they will end up with the law of diminishing returns every time they use him
So now John knows how true fans of Luke Skywalker feel. Lol. Could not resist.
Deaf Forever Luke Skywalker saved the world and embraced the legend, there is literally nothing about the movies that showed any hate towards Luke 🙄
@@CaptainPikeachu last jedi...
@@CaptainPikeachu Angry hermit. Quitter. He jobbed for Rey in a stick fight. They killed him from Force exhaustion just to kill him off outta convenience. Almost made him kill his nephew (while forgoing that he refused to kill his murderous father). Rian Johnson basically jerked around Luke's character in order to stamp himself onto the franchise & be controversial. In the end Luke Skywalker was basically Luke Skywalker but Rian Johnson screwed around a whole lot. Maybe not as harsh of the treatment as Superman gets in a CW show. Considering the scale of the Star Wars movies, Rian Johnson done worse.
Oh that why the hard cord fans didn't like Last Jedi.
BetaArtemis Last Jedi you fool
I wasn't expecting the amount of hardcore wrestling references.
I loved all of them.
Same thing with Martian Manhunter who Superman specifically said was the strongest being on the planet
Just watched Part 3 of the crossover. It was embarrassing. That ending with Superman...urrrrggghhhhhh!!!!! I watch Arrow and Flash out of habit but for the most past the CW/Arrowverse is terribly written - apart from maybe Arrow seasons 1,2 and Flash season 1. They are shooting themselves in the foot with their on the nose political statements and ridiculously syrupy sentimentality.
S5 and S7 of arrow are great. S2 of flash was pretty good too. The rest is pretty garbage
I love John Campea's passion about Superman!!!! I love Superman too he's the GOAT of all superheroes, period end of story and it's not just CW that's disrespecting Superman's legacy it's WB refusing to make a Superman movie getting rid of Henry Cavill it is a sad day when I heard that
mr know all just saw last episode and it's so lame to make superman this weak John is right its hate.
Well the Henry Cavill thing might be up in the air atm. It seems like the DCEU are course correcting well so far, also waiting on Ben Affleck's rehab condition too. As for what the CW are doing it seems like they are sidelining Superman atm, with how poorly the writers of Supergirl have done so far. Perhaps the Crisis event will fix these issues?
I thought the worst part was when Kara told fake Superman "What? Were you too afraid to turn into a girl?" My eyes rolled to the back of my head.
my fear about Crisis. I hope they don't treat the other Supermen the same. if so, it would be better if Tom Welling doesn't appear.
LOL, thought they were somewhat redeeming this superman, but that last scene of part 3, ugh, not only was it awful and emasculating and destroying superman, but Lois made such a sexist remark regarding males, imagine that being said for females. So Sad. It is funny and cool when it is males, but sexist when it is females. Either everyone is target of comedy and such words or no one. I also once said one day Barry and Oliver will be sitting in a Bar talking about when they were superheroes and had a show but now it was the Felicity and iris Show lol etc, and then after this scene they in a Bar and I am like God please no,,,,
Otaku Sempai that Didn’t immasculate him at all ?? Superman is the only reason they won , superman was the only one strong enough to open , take the power from the book and chance reality cause of his experience . Super girl could barely open the book and said “how did Deegan open this ?” If anything they made him the alpha of all of the hero’s , when he showed up to smash amazo they thought they won cause Superman smashed it .
@@captainmalcolmreynolds1526 I have several issues here, its like u take parts and than vacuum desiccate everything else going around those scenes and after and before. Bring those back. And how u respond to one aspect and not my whole comment as a whole, that leads to what is called cherry picking and not representing someones entire and true point, leading to false representation of what I am saying.
I'm an Arrow Fan and that's not accurate. Yeah the show declined in season 3 and 4. Season 5 went back to the basics and was a success. Season 6 was decent but this season might be better than season 2. When the season ends I can evaluate the show better. I didn't see the episode last night and it's DC's obsession to dog out Superman. Batman can do no wrong. It's still beyond me why they didn't give Superman an authentic sequel. And here are once again shitting on Superman. BLATANTLY. I never could get into Supergirl. I feel like Martian Manhunter is being wasted. She's overrated and Batwoman Lol is nothing special.
Just some tough chick benefiting from her COUSIN'S wealth and technology. I'll go watch Black Widow and Wonder Woman but forcing the Feminist Tough Girl crap and Male Emasculation Agenda is disgusting. The last time I checked Feminism is supposed to be about Equality not Female superiority.
@@MentalStillness First part of your comment I agree. That thought about bar was some time ago, but it came back. I also agree the female tough girl stuff is overbearing. It also is complete disrespect of femininity, which is awesome and so is masculinity.
As for feminism suppose to be about equality, that is what is said, but when reading the writings of prominent feminists, the opposite seems to the be case and their is a lot of problems with their central thesis, what feminism has been used for, etc. Even if I accept feminism as about women and equality, it is ONE FORM of that, not the only and it is not feminism= women rights, it is feminism is 1 vision of women's rights based on the experience of one small group of people compared to rest of world, and then projecting and copy and pasting it to others fallaciously. It is based on a specific worldview (or religion, if your prefer another term haha).
@@MarketingMovies1337 Personally I don't even care about that angle for my critique.
Thank you John! Thats one of the reason ive stopped watching Supergirl. The only way I’ll forgive the CW if they A) have Supergirl job to Superman, or B) have Batman job to Green Arrow.
I do like that Superman was the key to solving everything. That he was the guy they all trusted to fix the world to the way it was. _Because it's Superman._ Who else are you gonna trust? What irked me, honestly, was the aftermath online, where everyone was like "Why is Superman the one solving everything in Supergirl's part?"
I had no idea of this. That completely sucks. CW should have more respect for him.
Dont think they hate him. I just think they cant have him seem so important to victories for Kara and the others. Gotta think DC/Warner has limits on how much CW can use him, plus its Supergirl not Superman. So if you have him a tier under Supergirl, it allows them to still have him.
I do agree that they make him seem MUCH less powerful than he actually is. Idk. Cant have superman overshadowing the main hero and the namesake for your show. NOW if they have Superman back at Crisis on Infinite Earths and hes jobbed again, I'm with ya.
The sooner you realize that Greg Berlanti isn’t creative at all the better off you will be. Dude is clueless when left to his own devices.
Since flash and supergirl die in crisis on infinite earths I could see them replacing them with Superman and green arrow
the reason legends of tomorrow couldn't come is because they were still recovering from legends of to-meow meow
dont they do the same by having batman beat superman all the time?
He doesn't though. Superman has beat the shit outta Batman numerous times
They trade off a lot. Plus there's always a reason why Batman wins. Bruce spends a lot of time preparing plans for if Superman goes bad and carries kryptonite in a lead pouch with him at all times. Batman wins because he's the better tactician. It pretty much always comes down to who catches who off guard and Batman is almost never off guard. Plus it's always a great fight with both of them pushed to their limits. In Supergirl, he's just weaker than her to make her look better. With Batman and Superman, they are forced to fight and both look strong.
He outsmarts Supes sometimes and sometimes he doesn’t. Either way, he doesn’t beat Supes in hand to hand with raw strength like Supergirl did.
If you have ever read a few comics where batman fought superman you will see 1/10 times superman wins
Yeah in all honesty Superman has been a jobber for years now.
Especially for Batman.
Now that Supergirl is getting more traction with mainstream audiences.... He's jobbing for her.
I agree with you, but still love those shows
They are trash lol
Stephen Schuster nah arrow is better than its ever been really .
That stupid show strives to emasculate and humiliate Superman, for no apparent reason.
The premise that she's more powerful, is unfounded and easily dismissible
@@allanqg -- Superman was the only one that could open the book. Supergirl got jobbed too. What did she really accomplish?
But at the same time. It's also the " My show so I make the rules" Characters rarely get 1 upped by a colleague on their own show
you are so right about what CW has done to superman!!
Superman should be used in Supergirl the same way Darth Vader was used at the end of Rogue One. Show up, be the absolute most powerful character, and then go on with his life.
This is hilarious
You should do a reaction to the shows, just like other channels that do reactions for TV shows or movies!!! Because that would be interesting to see!!😁
It's the same thing happening in the comics right now. Bendis has done everything except bring out the glowing Kryptonite testicle clippers so far...