The BMW M2 Competition is a Frustrating Drift Machine - One Take

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  • Опубліковано 23 гру 2024

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  • @carsaregood911
    @carsaregood911 5 років тому +400

    First time I'm seeing a negative review of any M2, odd

    • @enfantterrible4868
      @enfantterrible4868 5 років тому +50

      A lot of people complained about the M2 being way too heavy and sluggish, especially the brakes on the standard M2 are gone after 2 laps on a small circuit

    • @stefanfreestylez
      @stefanfreestylez 5 років тому +19

      @@enfantterrible4868 because its basicslly a 235i with m4 suspension bits

    • @Twobarpsi
      @Twobarpsi 5 років тому +26

      BMW sucks

    • @enfantterrible4868
      @enfantterrible4868 5 років тому +51

      @@Twobarpsi liking your own comment sucks

    • @Twobarpsi
      @Twobarpsi 5 років тому +3

      @@enfantterrible4868 lol @ you

  • @michaelw6277
    @michaelw6277 5 років тому +132

    It sounds like the brake fluid is completely cooked.

  • @SkitzoFPV
    @SkitzoFPV 5 років тому +142

    I own the 2020 M2C and I can tell you the braking is not one of it's shortcomings. Something was up with that vehicle in particular.

    • @Wiplasher
      @Wiplasher 5 років тому +9

      Definitely agree. Got a 2020 as well and I have not once felt like I needed to do anything with my brakes besides clean all that dust haha

    • @Cobrastarzz1
      @Cobrastarzz1 5 років тому

      Is possible to modify or replace the brakes or the brakes master cylinder without voiding the warranty?

    • @Wiplasher
      @Wiplasher 5 років тому

      @@Cobrastarzz1 Yeah. Obviously anything break related will probably get voided.
      The manufacturer has to specifically be able to prove that your modification is what caused the problem for the warranty to be void (USA Law).
      This is why exhaust mods are usually never a problem but tunes are.

    • @pchwang
      @pchwang 4 роки тому +9

      My guess is that multiple people drove that M2 Comp and the brakes were worn/overheated by the time Matt got in.

    • @carphreak
      @carphreak 4 роки тому +2

      Own a M2C, brakes are good at stopping, but terrible feel. Feels like stepping on a brick even with trackpads/fluid etc. Swapped to AP Racing brakes, feels much more natural and better. Stock pads with the 2NH they fade after 5-6 laps on laguna. Owned an E36 M3 in the past, stock brakes on that had great feel and with PFC08 stopped on a dime. Not sure why BMW's are so shit stock these days.

  • @noahkillingsworth3665
    @noahkillingsworth3665 5 років тому +219

    I'm pretty sure brakes on the car are worn down from other people bashing it in all day...

    • @clydefrog4959
      @clydefrog4959 5 років тому +5

      Right. R&T are hard on cars.

    • @pdavid24
      @pdavid24 5 років тому +7

      Maybe, but a soft brake peddle is usually an indication of hot/overheated fluid, not worn brakes. It is possible that it was hot lapped and Matt wasn't aware before getting in.

    • @machtschnell7452
      @machtschnell7452 5 років тому

      @@pdavid24 I wonder because the the one I drove did not have that problem.

  • @YZFR6Yammie
    @YZFR6Yammie 5 років тому +96

    I guarantee you that brake fluid has been boiled over and over.

    • @e36s50b30
      @e36s50b30 5 років тому +1

      N54 N55 B58 just witnessed a M2 Comp hit the ditch this summer.
      It was on a not superlly brake demanding track day in France.

  • @VeriStrawberi
    @VeriStrawberi 5 років тому +117

    Matt: “I just came from a bunch of mid-engine cars.”
    Also Matt: “The nose feels heavy.”
    Gee do you think there’s a correlation? (I own a Porsche not a BMW btw)

  • @valensi1988
    @valensi1988 5 років тому +40

    Ask your friend Chris Harris if he agrees 😂

  • @Airbag1010674
    @Airbag1010674 5 років тому +41

    The M2C brakes will put you through the windshield. The also have excellent feel and modulation.

  • @mantus3243
    @mantus3243 5 років тому +29

    Why can’t you drive the car like Chris Harris? Didn’t seem like he had any issues with it.. It looks like it’s your first time on a track

    • @skagerstrom
      @skagerstrom 5 років тому +1

      Sideways is not how you normally drive on a track.

    • @austinhunter6554
      @austinhunter6554 5 років тому

      Chris Harris loves pretty much all cars lol and an adept driver/ drifter. This guy is more of a street/grip enthusiast. He needs a real track weapon to float his boat lol 😂

  • @andrewthompson6893
    @andrewthompson6893 5 років тому +30

    1. You're right, it should be lighter.
    2. You can't drive an M2 after driving a 911 & Corvette.
    3. The M2 is a street car, not a race car, and thus is out of its element here.
    4. Your press car may have had some issues.

    • @Bad_Company666
      @Bad_Company666 5 років тому +2

      Andrew Thompson I was saying the same thing.

    • @charmenk
      @charmenk 4 роки тому

      Yeah im driving one and what you're saying is right on the spot. The car isnt sluggish or breaks "bad" in any way. That car from what i can see in the video probably has break fluid problem. And i wouldnt compare this to a 911 since its not even in the same category. The car feels heavy because hes not using it properly, its faster to drift it in the corners xD

  • @freedbeefpontoons
    @freedbeefpontoons 5 років тому +13

    Turn off the stability control Matt, MDM mode =/= everything off. MDM will let you slide the car a bit, but it's still under the purview of computer nannies. As soon as you do any sort of lift off the gas, it kicks in with the stability control. It's great if you just want to hit an onramp sideways, but for an actual race track, you need to turn it off completely.

  • @jamessmith-hb9ej
    @jamessmith-hb9ej 5 років тому +20

    Right car wrong driver 🤣🤣🤣

  • @jamesj590
    @jamesj590 5 років тому +15

    Stock pads and fluid cannot be used on track, even with that brake spec.

  • @TheColnago
    @TheColnago 5 років тому +13

    Clarkson, Harris and all the other Top Level drivers LOVE the M2. Matt on the other hand is not a fan. That's too bad. :^(

  • @VehicleVillains
    @VehicleVillains 5 років тому +38

    Hey Matt, I remember you did a track one take of a stock manual F80 M3 before. You were very very fond of that car on track. Essentially the M2 should be that but in a more spiky, smaller wheel base M Car. Could you explain why the M3 was such a hit and the M2 seems to be such a miss for you on track? Perhaps new sports cars ruined your perception of what used be fun before, isn't so any more? Cheers (big fan).

    • @McJerkins
      @McJerkins 5 років тому +2

      Having almost driven both (stock manual F82 M4 and 410ish hp DCT Dinan M235i), even the M235 was more enjoyable drive for me. The M4 had too much grip for stock power level and as you mentioned, larger size. Fair warning, a 6MT e46 M3 is what I want a car to feel like, if that helps at all... Not sure if this was just the Dinan car, but I will say that after driving the M4 I was left wanting much more.

    • @leshkin
      @leshkin 5 років тому +8

      I'd say that this particular car has had some abuse before Matt drove it. I have this same car, with the same brakes and yes, stock fluid does give a very soft pedal pretty quickly. If anything, my car feels overbaked with fresh/upgraded brake fluid.
      Then there's the side-by-side comparison with mid-engined cars :)

    • @VehicleVillains
      @VehicleVillains 5 років тому

      @@leshkin Yeah, not sure what Matt drove that day but somehow I would have thought I'd walk away with a smile after having tried one. Need to find one to drive close to home. Even the non-comp M2 seems like it could be very fun.

    • @sunnyvalentino
      @sunnyvalentino 5 років тому

      Smaller footprint (probably track, wheelbase) but similar weight. Maybe higher CG or worse weight distribution on top of that. I've drive the GT350 which is heavier but feels much more balanced Vs the M2 Comp.

    • @leshkin
      @leshkin 5 років тому

      @@VehicleVillains Well, if you're ever near London and feel like giving mine a test, feel free to contact me ;)

  • @callmecoos
    @callmecoos 5 років тому +4

    Drivers mod is missing. I drove this at the M performance track on hot laps, and it’s a monster.

  • @TommyLGarage
    @TommyLGarage 5 років тому +64

    I don’t know. I drove an M2 comp and I felt the exact opposite way. Brakes were amazing and the car felt super balanced.

    • @mred1341
      @mred1341 5 років тому +6

      on the track pushing hard?

    • @asterioslytsioulis4226
      @asterioslytsioulis4226 5 років тому +1

      On the road is like fuck one of the best driving machines you can buy today... on track it isnt that good i agree

    • @borinvlogs
      @borinvlogs 5 років тому +4

      M2 Com is a great car and many people will be happy with it if they are not used to driving new 911, or Lotus.

    • @David-bj7ym
      @David-bj7ym 5 років тому +4

      Sounds like Matt's full of shit. They probably have an agenda for the car of the year award placing and Matt can't say the BMW is better then other certain cars.

    • @borinvlogs
      @borinvlogs 5 років тому +1

      @@user-js2dr9gv1u They're both more special than a M2. I'm in F80/82 club, quite a lot of members who can afford higher monthly expenditure on a car tend to move to 911 which is considered the pinnacle of sports car. Of course M2 would feel inferior to a Lotus around the track. M2 is nearly twice the weight of a Lotus. It is unfair comparison since BMW never designed M2 to be a track car.

  • @stephenspender787
    @stephenspender787 5 років тому +7

    I might be wrong but if MDM is on the dash then esp is not fully off?

    • @seancoakley5371
      @seancoakley5371 5 років тому +2

      Stephen Spender you’re not wrong, in fact it’s the worst mode to have on the track because of the way dsc kicks in.
      It’s better in sport+ or dsc off.

  • @hwyfools
    @hwyfools 5 років тому +10

    Chris Harris will show you how to track the M2 Comp. He loves the car and the brakes.

    • @burntnugget1854
      @burntnugget1854 4 роки тому +2

      And thats y we love him...this guy is a joke...bout "uninspiring" go back to driving your Corvette in a straight line

  • @ddabby346
    @ddabby346 5 років тому +28

    Yeah I've always wondered how can it not feel heavy. It weights as much as an 6 cyllinder E39 Auto.

    • @nessuno5403
      @nessuno5403 5 років тому

      Drive one before expresssing an opinion

    • @ddabby346
      @ddabby346 5 років тому +12

      @@nessuno5403 For me it looks like this Matt Farah guy just drove one and told us. He seems to have some experience with different cars, not sure tho.

    • @nessuno5403
      @nessuno5403 5 років тому

      @@ddabby346 yes and I am telling you to drive one, because weight isn't such an issue given the ample power. It's no Lotus, but neither is it a Lotus :)

    • @e36s50b30
      @e36s50b30 5 років тому

      nes suno did that on several track days and couldn’t care less about that poser car.

    • @nessuno5403
      @nessuno5403 5 років тому

      @@e36s50b30 nobody asked you... and sure, E36 > F87 😂

  • @coolumar335
    @coolumar335 5 років тому +7

    To be fair Matt, as you come into the end of the second lap @ 4:36, one can sense some engine and brake stress in the car.
    The guys driving before you must have really thrashed the M2...

  • @seancoakley5371
    @seancoakley5371 5 років тому +10

    That brake fluid has had to been cooked.
    I own a M2C and track and autocross it regularly, the brakes fkn bite.

    • @seancoakley5371
      @seancoakley5371 5 років тому +2

      Oh and mdm mode is for driving in the snow, it’s why the car was so spikey on track out.
      Should have had it in DSC off.

    • @Wiplasher
      @Wiplasher 5 років тому +3

      @@seancoakley5371 I use MDM when I'm on the street and he definitely had it on.
      You could tell when it kicked in the entire car vibrated and helped bring him back.
      Gotta hold that button down haha

  • @timmietz
    @timmietz 5 років тому +31

    So, this is an interesting review. I own a 2020 M2 competition and I do agree that the car is 300 pounds too heavy. I drove my car in the Alpine country as well as the dolomites as well as the Nurburgring. And, The excess weight did manifest itself profoundly. Regarding the brakes, however, are very good, in my opinion. They held up exceptionally well for me at the Ring. Overall, the car is still a more pleasant driving experience than the M4.

    • @CarToneHK
      @CarToneHK 5 років тому +1

      It does some sense, since the ring is a much faster track with little low speed corners, whereas thunderhill is mainly medium to low speed corners

    • @ourfutureisdark
      @ourfutureisdark 5 років тому +2

      I brakes were probably worn out in this car

    • @8teate
      @8teate 5 років тому +1

      Maybe it’s time to lower the weight. -100kg should be possible.

    • @rubbermoetroken
      @rubbermoetroken 5 років тому

      @@8teate With a full tank and 80kg ballast on the driver seat I am at ca. 1627kg while we were corner weighing the car. I have a CF hood, Mperf rims, the standard brakes (the US brakes are actually the upgraded brakes in the EU but are a massive 35lbs heavier than standard, without delivering additional braking performance) . Will continue to upgrade the exhaust (-20kg), the seats (-30kg's), a CF roof (-5kg's) and possibly installing a set of Essex AP racing brakes (another 10kgs to be saved). I am at minus ca. 25 kgs now, to add those required 75kg's of savings is almost impossible with a full interior to be honest. And even then I will still be at ca. 1.550kg's still. Yes she is heavy....

    • @adamtrokich8605
      @adamtrokich8605 5 років тому

      @@rubbermoetroken Dont forgett the starterbattery. I wish it was direct swap from M4 but its not :( Do you have a thread somewhere I can follow your diet?

  • @TheBli7krieg
    @TheBli7krieg 5 років тому +68

    After driving C8 and 992 C2S I would've said the same probably

  • @boeingdriver29
    @boeingdriver29 4 роки тому +2

    I’ve owned multiple AMG’s over the years and now drive a M2 Comp. The brakes are better than any of my Mercs which used to squeal like a stuck pig.

  • @frankm0023
    @frankm0023 5 років тому +17

    I just went back and watched the track review of the 2016 BMW M2 and it's like night and day on the results. Which one would you buy without driving both cars? I'm thinking the m2 with some boltons and save some cash.

    • @humbler1
      @humbler1 5 років тому +3

      Frank m002 the deal breaker for me is the fact the M2 Comp can’t run an 18” square setup for wheels and tires because of those massive front brakes. For a car that’s going to see a lot of track time not being able to run square or rotate is unfortunate

    • @flacjacket
      @flacjacket 5 років тому +2

      @@humbler1 while it does require 19s to clear the front brakes it can still run square, 265/30R19 on 9.5" ET28 wheels is recommended for track use. On stagger you can run 295 on the rear.

    • @kuervers03
      @kuervers03 5 років тому +1

      Matt's taste in cars has just changed that much

    • @TheSmokingTire
      @TheSmokingTire  5 років тому +4

      @@kuervers03 the car is also completely different.

    • @kuervers03
      @kuervers03 5 років тому

      @@TheSmokingTire just doesn't make sense that you had a blast in the supra sliding it around @3400lbs. You'd think its brakes would be the soft ones after a few laps

  • @wakjob961
    @wakjob961 5 років тому +2

    What did you just drive last?
    Could explain the less than fond memories of your first go in the M2c. And honestly, how many buyers will actually track that car?

  • @Franzino
    @Franzino 5 років тому +2

    When you are in MDM mode then stability control is not fully off....is you select stability control fully off then you are not in MDM anymore.

  • @LaudaMaestro
    @LaudaMaestro 5 років тому +62

    Something must be wrong with that particular car. This is contradictory to all reviews of this model.

    • @rbmwiv
      @rbmwiv 5 років тому +5

      Shareef Alsayed definitely something is up with that car. I have been repairing and selling BMWs independently for almost 30 years and am very familiar with all their M cars as well as the rest. I have never heard so many negative things about that car. Last M2 I had damn brakes would throw you through the window. Also parting them out makes for a serious brake upgrade on the e46 M3 which in my opinion is the best M car ever built. I have driven pretty much every M car that’s been sold in the US and Europe. Had a fair share of grey market cars. Euro cars imported to here. The only M that I can think of that I haven’t driven is the M1. Driven a 3.0 CSL. A good friend has one and it’s a sweet ride. He bought the car for $400 and had been trying to buy it for 20 years. We got it 100% mechanical a couple of years ago, and have been slowly redoing the body bc parts are hard to find for that car, and we have just waited for the parts to appear and all the body panels, complete door head light buckets and a few other parts we needed for $600. We have been working on it as we can. Fabricating the replacement rocker corners and other misc rust spots that are easy to fab up. It’s way cheaper than buying a whole new panel for a small peace of it. I worked in NASCAR for 5+ years and learned a lot about many different things. I was 18 and it was like getting paid to learn.

    • @clydefrog4959
      @clydefrog4959 5 років тому +1

      Yea lol r&t probably beat on it for a month straight before giving Matt the keys.

    • @jomaha9227
      @jomaha9227 5 років тому +1

      It's even completely against the previous one-take they did on this channel of an M2 Comp with a tune. That car had stock brakes and Zach commented on how touchy they were and how much braking ability they had. Zach had a very different response to that car than Matt did with this. Could be driving on street vs. track and pushing the car at 7/10th's vs. 9/10ths.

    • @aahsnowman2325
      @aahsnowman2325 5 років тому +1

      Yeh something seems to be wrong with this particular car. This one ate too much pizza, ice cream and chips and got fat and heavy.

    • @krichd1
      @krichd1 5 років тому

      It's a modern BMW, so probably already starts to falling apart.

  • @Vonstroke
    @Vonstroke 5 років тому +78

    It feels heavy because it IS heavy.

    • @Pete0126
      @Pete0126 5 років тому +6

      Yup. A car this size should not push 3600 lbs, that is more than baby fat.

    • @Realpaul2k
      @Realpaul2k 5 років тому +3

      @@Pete0126 I wonder why the GT350 still feels so good then since its even heavier than the M2 competition. Matt loved that car when he reviewed it.

    • @maclmatias
      @maclmatias 5 років тому +2

      @@Realpaul2k First time I see a pilot disapointed in some way with M2

    • @sunnyvalentino
      @sunnyvalentino 5 років тому +6

      @@Realpaul2k GT350 is a larger car and I believe the footprint (track, wheelbase etc) are larger. > weight is fine, as long as its spread out more. There is extensive literature on the relationship between footprint , CG and grip levels, load transfer etc.

    • @ryanb8736
      @ryanb8736 5 років тому +2

      maclmatias There are people disappointed with it. They just don’t talk about it. BMW will never have them back at press events if they speak poorly about any of their cars.

  • @kimchee411
    @kimchee411 Рік тому +1

    Well, it's 2023 now. If you think the F87 was just too heavy then I got some bad news for ya...

  • @Airbag1010674
    @Airbag1010674 5 років тому +1

    I think the problem is MF is acclimated to modern sports cars which are very easy to drive near the limit. The M2C is not easy to drive near the limit. It requires quick hands, smooth inputs, and good "feel". It will bite you in the ass if you don't know how to drive it. It requires smooth inputs to be fast and flowing, analogous to a motorcycle at the limit. The fact of the matter is, MF is not a good driver. His abilities are average at best. You need to be an above average driver to extract performance from the M2C.

  • @GordonGreenCincinnati
    @GordonGreenCincinnati 5 років тому +2

    What inspires less confidence? The 15.7" M2C brake rotors or Matt's ham-handed driving techniques?

    • @Wsdm92
      @Wsdm92 3 роки тому

      I agree with you.

  • @LowBoostFilms
    @LowBoostFilms 5 років тому

    This is a little heartbreaking. I have an m235i, and didn’t want the n55 m2 because it had the same engine, so I really was looking forward to this one take. Now what do I get next?

    • @adamtrokich8605
      @adamtrokich8605 5 років тому +1

      The M2C ofcorse. Whats heartbreaking exacly? The clickbait video or the fact that this is the only review on youtube thats negative on the brakes.

    • @freedbeefpontoons
      @freedbeefpontoons 5 років тому

      I dunno, I have an M2 comp and I find the easiest way to enjoy it is to not drive a bunch of mid-engined and rear engined cars immediately before getting in it.
      It's kind of like how Miatas are not pigs, but drive one home from the kart track and you might feel otherwise.

    • @LowBoostFilms
      @LowBoostFilms 5 років тому

      Felix that’s a valid point he was driving other cars before. I trust his opinion, and that was a concern of mine with the s55 because it’s significantly heavier than the n55. I wonder what the weight distribution is.

    • @LowBoostFilms
      @LowBoostFilms 5 років тому

      Adam Trokich the fact that the car is a little front heavy with the s55. I’d also like to see what Randy Pobst has to say.

    • @freedbeefpontoons
      @freedbeefpontoons 5 років тому +1

      @@LowBoostFilms It's 52.28 percent on the front 47.72 percent rear. That's a DCT car with no sunroof (Savagegeese puts one on the scales in his review of the M2 Comp, timestamp at 11:49 if you want to check it yourself.)
      I think it's a little misguided to complain about the M2 Comp's weight compared to the M2. The extra weight all comes from stuff you want, primarily a ton more cooling and those bigger brakes. The amount of cooling the M2 comp gets is absurd, the air to water intercooler has two heat exchangers/radiators in the front of the car AND there's an external oil cooler that sits in the front bumper parallel to the ground.
      The Vanilla M2 is still a fantastic car in it's own right and a pretty good used car value, but people who say they prefer it for the lighter front end aren't actually using the car on the track.

  • @lucyferr5571
    @lucyferr5571 4 роки тому +1

    The S55 is too heavy, that’s one of the reasons I decided to get the 2018, my goal now is to shave about 100LBS from wheels, battery and anything else..

  • @Schwabz33
    @Schwabz33 4 роки тому +1

    Just picked up 2020 M2C- the brakes feel like my face gong to rip off. It’s crazy how sensitive they are to respond. This car may have been beaten up before had drove it.

  • @DouEditz
    @DouEditz 5 років тому +2

    Car & Driver compared this to a 1M series and said the 1M was frustrating...i was like NO WAY!

  • @VSRDWN
    @VSRDWN 5 років тому +9

    35 hundo? that's a chunky boy.

  • @ourfutureisdark
    @ourfutureisdark 5 років тому +9

    In the M2s defense, I think the brake has been worn out after a heavy track day.

  • @c0c0asauce
    @c0c0asauce 5 років тому +1

    Gettingt on the power early seems like a good indicator that you were spoiled by the mid/rear engine cars during the test.

  • @MrMlozano
    @MrMlozano 5 років тому +32

    Matt is amazing but he hates everything that isn't mid-engine right now. Hopefully it's just a phase

    • @nathanwabre
      @nathanwabre 5 років тому +6

      michael lozano I kind of agree, I would say his calibration is a little off as he only owns mid-engine cars, expect the Vanquish which ain’t a sports car

    • @integrafreak1
      @integrafreak1 5 років тому +4

      @@nathanwabre Wow great points, From both

    • @hovnojede010101
      @hovnojede010101 5 років тому +2

      Yeah, agreed.

    • @Kingjay814
      @Kingjay814 5 років тому +4

      @@nathanwabre that and I honestly think C8 Corvette screwed up the playing field. All of these other sports cars are now up against a superior layout with similar or greater horse power figures. The C8 makes just about any two seat sports car look less desirable.

    • @TheSmokingTire
      @TheSmokingTire  5 років тому +7

      @@nathanwabre LOL. I own one mid-engined car, one front engined car, and one rear engined car right now. How is that "only mid-engined cars?"

  • @camver100
    @camver100 5 років тому +1

    Now I want to see you drive the 240i modifies with a tuned b58 and supporting mods on track , that’s 60kg lighter at the front end. Will be a massive difference for a fraction of the cost.

    • @hiphopsocnroc
      @hiphopsocnroc 5 років тому +1

      fraction of the cost? really, ok sure

    • @kuervers03
      @kuervers03 5 років тому

      Until it overheats and melts the brakes

  • @5abivt
    @5abivt 5 років тому +1

    405 hp. Slightly heavier at 3500+ . Similar numbers to my 90s ZR-1. 30 years later you’d think they could figure out something lighter or more powerful or faster. The ediff is good but it’s twitchy like that because it’s working as designed. I could slide my ZR-1 around that entire track a clutch style diff makes it easy . When I play around with my M4 it’s just not the same. It’s constantly trying to give me grip which makes it twitchy .. but essentially effective in its purpose.

    • @adamtrokich8605
      @adamtrokich8605 5 років тому

      Its hard. They cant make it too fast or else no one would buy M4 or M2 CS.

    • @exigm
      @exigm 5 років тому

      That's because ur not holding the DSC button for over 3 seconds.

  • @EastWood2004
    @EastWood2004 4 роки тому +11

    You wanted an attention by putting a negative word on the title. Then suggest us an alternative $60k sports car better than M2C in year 2019/2020.

    • @Loko_The_Savage
      @Loko_The_Savage 4 роки тому +2

      C7 Corvette z51, Mustang 5.0 PP, Shelby gt350, Camaro SS 1lE - All of these vehicles listed have higher performance potential for a a lower price.

    • @naderyoussef6486
      @naderyoussef6486 4 роки тому

      @@Loko_The_Savage wanna bring up the build quality

    • @Loko_The_Savage
      @Loko_The_Savage 4 роки тому

      Nader Youssef wanna bring up reliability, maintenance costs, long term depreciation, and overall value?

    • @er98ah
      @er98ah 4 роки тому +1

      L T S gt350 has major engine failure and to make matters worse company like ford and chevy are horrible to deal with. Imagine having your engine blow and fighting to get them to fix under warranty because you put an aftermarket speaker in the trunk?

    • @formo11
      @formo11 4 роки тому +1

      @@Loko_The_Savage Those cars are worth nothing already so depreciation shouldnt even be in the conversation. And when has Chevy or Ford been know for reliability lol

  • @mahkumification
    @mahkumification 5 років тому +4

    thank you thanos

  • @samharper5881
    @samharper5881 5 років тому +3

    The world needs more Alpine A110s.

    • @ShaiyanHossain
      @ShaiyanHossain 5 років тому

      too bad they don't sell them in the US :(
      if it was, the A110 would have easily been a PCOTY contender

  • @davidsonnow
    @davidsonnow 5 років тому

    If the engine is discontinue does that mean even regular M twos will get this new engine now?

  • @paddockclub5968
    @paddockclub5968 5 років тому

    Watching this video makes me think that it would be helpful to see throttle and brake input graphics for these track reviews. @2:39 Matt seems to be experiencing understeer from the mid-corner through to the exit. At the corner exit he rolls on the throttle pretty hard despite the understeer and the car snaps on him. Do any other drivers think that his skill level might be the issue here? He does mention the brakes being soft and it's possible he couldn't rotate the car effectively with a soft pedal. Anyone here drive this track and have know what this corner is like? I'm curious to hear thoughts on the above.

    • @freedbeefpontoons
      @freedbeefpontoons 5 років тому +1

      Paddock Club his problem is he's using the car in mdm mode, which is not the same as everything off, or even a track mode.
      Mdm is essentially "hoon mode" it allows lots of rear wheel slip on-throttle and then locks everything down with stability control off-throttle, it's designed to allow people to drift....but then also not crash their car if they mess up. I strongly suspect it's causing the understeer Matt is complaining about.

  • @mohamedhossam5195
    @mohamedhossam5195 5 років тому +6

    I agree with Matt. I drove both the M2C and M4C back to back on track and the M2 brakes are definitely softer and not confidence inspiring. M4C was a lot better, in general sharper and had more steering feel. The steering feel on the M2C was dead and fairly light, however, in terms of pushing to the limit M2C is definitely more balanced and easier to drive.

    • @MaddmattH
      @MaddmattH 5 років тому

      I'm guessing it had standard street brake pads. Pads can totally change the feel and you really need some proper track focused pads to have fun on a racetrack. Street pads don't cut it.

  • @mastoslayerica
    @mastoslayerica 5 років тому

    How does it handle compared to a E92 M3?

  • @paulsasso3806
    @paulsasso3806 5 років тому

    How’s it compare to the Model 3 Performance?

  • @crapcork
    @crapcork 5 років тому +5

    I own an M240. Fantastic street car, so-so track car. Heavy like the M2 of course. The 2 series is built like a tank, solid and safe. Doors close like a bank vault. BMW built it first and foremost for quick, responsive steering and fun driving dynamics but also for safety, durability and ride quality. Any weight reduction would compromise the latter. Consumer Reports top-rated sports car over 50K!

    • @TheHorrorGeek
      @TheHorrorGeek 5 років тому +1

      Agreed. I picked up an M240 back in March (had an M235i before that -- couldn't find an M2C to buy...) and it definitely shines on the street. For me, it's a pretty much perfect daily driver -- it's quick and nimble for when you want to play around, but it's comfortable on longer trips and definitely feels sturdy.
      Plus, it's fast enough that it surprises the shit out of people at stop lights. :p

  • @krasnaludek298
    @krasnaludek298 4 роки тому +1

    This might be the first drive of a M2C that is less than glowing. Every other video places this vehicle in an elite class when price is factored.

  • @tommyguy55
    @tommyguy55 5 років тому

    Is that sakhir orange?

  • @untouchableali
    @untouchableali 5 років тому +5

    I own the OG M2, not been on track but on the road I very much love how it drives and responds. The back steps out in a progressive manner and for day today driving it is plenty fast. It sounds better than the comp for sure. It is imho better than its rivals for driving pleasure, for me it is more enjoyable than a RS3, A45 AMG etc so for its class of car and price bracket it's ticks all the boxes.

  • @YocoWheelin
    @YocoWheelin 5 років тому +16

    It wasn't until the end of the video I noticed his awesome Homer helmet.

    • @ethereous
      @ethereous 5 років тому

      It was Donald Trump before 2016. I thought that helmet was hysterical. Shame he had to get rid of it. The Homer helmet is pretty damn funny though.

  • @hiphopsocnroc
    @hiphopsocnroc 5 років тому +1

    Interesting take on the M2C. I'm still in the market for one, I guess weight reduction, upgraded suspension, sticky tires and a brake kit would make the car "whole."

    • @Briggsian
      @Briggsian 5 років тому

      The M2 CS will likely sort all that out, but it comes at quite the premium (25k USD more)

    • @ShogunsDojo
      @ShogunsDojo 5 років тому

      Alexander Briggs the M2 CS offers no weight savings whatsoever, it’s effectively an M2 Competition with more Alcantara in the interior and almost every m-performance part fitted as standard but the car is almost twice the price of the competition. I like the CS but it won’t be twice the car.

    • @Briggsian
      @Briggsian 5 років тому +1

      @@ShogunsDojo "The BMW M2 CS uses a lot of carbon fiber reinforced plastic (CFRP). The German automaker uses the material for the front splitter, roof, rear spoiler, M twin-stalk exterior mirrors, rear diffuser, and hood, which weighs half that of a traditional steel hood. The material finds its way inside, too, shaving six pounds (2.7 kilograms) from the center console." - Motor1, first article you find upon doing a Google search

    • @freedbeefpontoons
      @freedbeefpontoons 5 років тому +1

      ​@@Briggsian The CS is a little lighter but not that much lighter. The culprit is apparently the suspension which is adjustable, unlike the suspension in the M2 Competition. Still, i'd expect it to be quite a bit faster, in this case the extra weight is low to the ground and the better suspension is also helping the car go faster.
      It's a lot like how the regular M2 is lighter than the M2 comp.....because it doesn't have all that extra cooling and the insanely large brakes. Sometimes the extra weight is worth the trade off.

    • @ShogunsDojo
      @ShogunsDojo 5 років тому

      Alexander Briggs I was aware, but thanks for sharing that information all the same, as Felix said the adaptive suspension negates much of these savings.
      When I looked in the UK press release for the M2 CS they claimed power to weight ratios (kg/hp) of 3.44 for the manual and 3.50 for the dct. Some quick maths makes that a curb weight of 1527kg for the manual and 1554 kg for the dct, I’m almost certain these figures match the competition.
      I think a revised passive setup would have been best, it’s the most hardcore version of the car so just set it up for aggressive driving and save the weight. They could have even used the m-performance coilovers so users can make their own adjustments.

  • @Airbag1010674
    @Airbag1010674 5 років тому +2

    Lets see. M2 OG: 7:58 ring time, M4 7:52 ring time, M2C 7:50 ring time.

    • @evilllempire
      @evilllempire 4 роки тому

      Airbag1010674 so what you’re saying is Matt can’t drive. Agreed.....

  • @lamma109
    @lamma109 5 років тому

    SS 1LE on the track next?

  • @bernardo290499111
    @bernardo290499111 5 років тому +8

    I drove the M2C recklessly and also buying one, I totally disagree with the brakes comment, you drove a press car who had a tough life already (im guessing thats why chris harris said the brakes for the A45s were bad as well and faded after a lap or so, i mean cmon). The M2’s brakes are reaaaally good, one of its highlights actually, the car also feels perfectly balanced and it does not feel heavy at all. The seating position is indeed a bit too high but the eletric steering isnt lifeless like chris harris and other reviewers said it is, its actually very good, you can feel the whole chassis moving and bumps through the wheel, M engineers surely made it feel like a hydraulic system, it does turn ins perfectly, I think this reviewer is a noob or something, the front nose just goes where you point it to. For the money its the sportiest thing you can get today, this is what the M3 shouldve been.

    • @bernardo290499111
      @bernardo290499111 5 років тому

      Im no reviewer nor another beamer fanboy in this comment section, but Ive had a lot of amazing cars in my garage (such as the F12, GT63 S, Targa GTS 991.2, S63 AMG, A45 AMG, etc) so trust me on this one, the M2C is simply amazing and I cant stop thinking about it, if you’re interested simply buy one and don’t think twice, Ive driven a stage 2 C63 S as well and it didnt bring the adrenaline up like the beamer did. Just mind the S55’s spun crank hub problem ;)

  • @WhoIsSea.
    @WhoIsSea. 5 років тому

    The power/weight is comparable to the E92 M3 ZCP. Would love to see his thoughts comparing the two.

  • @jamaljuse6256
    @jamaljuse6256 5 років тому +1

    Speaking of heavy, my BMW X2 steering feels heavy if that's what you are referring to.

  • @rider_ringz5381
    @rider_ringz5381 5 років тому +12

    Wierd fact :
    Matt has never done a one take on a Maserati

  • @Schwabz33
    @Schwabz33 3 роки тому

    Matt- not to be an Egg. But CS is on the same weight. I feel you should go back and review the 2021 M2C that’s not been beaten up on the track.

  • @NicholasZak
    @NicholasZak 5 років тому +9

    Great honest review....One of the reasons why I got the new supra for my new daily and to take to the Track occasionally because of the light weight and balance. BMW M division is going in the wrong direction but certainly not the new Toyota platform.

    • @Twobarpsi
      @Twobarpsi 5 років тому +14

      You mean your "New Toyota Made by BMW"....🤣🤣🤣

    • @yershaye6249
      @yershaye6249 5 років тому +4

      Smooth is Fast! New Toyota platform is BMW m lol

    • @cagf2013
      @cagf2013 5 років тому +9

      The supra weighs 3400 pounds. Not exactly light weight

    • @CylinderHeadE60
      @CylinderHeadE60 5 років тому +3

      You mean Toyota M Division

    • @5abivt
      @5abivt 5 років тому +4

      You bought a Supra. Your opinion is not valid

  • @randomocityvideos
    @randomocityvideos 5 років тому +3

    Matt being the mid/rear engine snob that he is was destined not to like this car, especially after jumping out of a handful of some of the latest and greatest and into this.

    • @ryanb8736
      @ryanb8736 5 років тому +2

      You hit the nail on the head.
      Most people who give this car a great review own a cheap car, so the M2 feels amazing to their daily driver.
      Matt is used to driving excellent cars so the M2 didn’t excite him.

  • @paulshepherd5649
    @paulshepherd5649 4 роки тому +1

    Chris Harris loved it on the track. That's all i need to know. I'll be picking up a used bargain at some point

  • @ZZGTKING
    @ZZGTKING 5 років тому +2

    M2 and M2C might be fast on the track, but the 1M is the best modern BMW in terms of pure driving pleasure, in the video that snap and sudden grip back feeling at the corner exit came from the active differential on the M2C/M2, I hate it, it just make the car behave against a good driver’s instinct, the 1M is way more linear and you chew the tires for longer to find the optimum grip by your self under that situation

    • @prashanthp5448
      @prashanthp5448 5 років тому +1

      exactly! thats what we get when computers predict how we should drive. the active differential seems to at odds with human instinct.

    • @freedbeefpontoons
      @freedbeefpontoons 5 років тому

      ZZGTKING it snaps because in mdm mode, the stability control comes back on as soon as the driver lifts, nothing to do with the differential.

    • @ZZGTKING
      @ZZGTKING 5 років тому +1

      Felix I am not talking about what seems like the power cut on the corner exit, I am taking about the entry phase when the driver counter-steer with his instinct but the car grips with the help from active-diff, try drift both M2C and 1M and you will see what I mean, I personally dislike the behavior of the active-diff on the M2C, F90 M5 also has active diff but with 2WD modes it feels much more predictable and linear

    • @freedbeefpontoons
      @freedbeefpontoons 5 років тому

      ZZGTKING interesting. I haven’t had my m2c on the track yet, but in small doses, the oversteer doesn’t seem too snappy compared to my last car, a 350z which had just a viscous lsd. I’ll get the m2c out onto a track or a skid pad for some actual drifting and see how it feels. Probably won’t be able to convince anyone to let me drift their 1m unfortunately, but I can always hope!

    • @ZZGTKING
      @ZZGTKING 5 років тому

      Felix Thanks mate, looking forward to hear your feedback, also there is one thing you will find very interesting is that with the active diff when you drift with the M2C, the car eager to rotate around itself, makes it always going tighter and tighter, not very easy to hold a long drift with a very big steering lock, but this characteristic definitely helps for putting down the power harder and earlier when you want fast lap times.

  • @iamthelaw69
    @iamthelaw69 5 років тому

    How is a smaller M2CS be just as heavy as the much bigger E92 M3...

  • @zohaibsalim4038
    @zohaibsalim4038 5 років тому

    I have the m2 comp and he is right about the weight and it being a road car first, but idk about the brakes not being good part.

  • @herewegoagain7403
    @herewegoagain7403 5 років тому +4

    M2 still the best M car BMW ever made. change my mind

  • @FRWD_FXLRST
    @FRWD_FXLRST 5 років тому

    So Matt, if you had 60K to spend. This or a GR Supra? Or something else even?

  • @KeynSong
    @KeynSong 5 років тому

    I’m not sure if it’s fair to review a car on pilot ss on track. Specially after I’m sure it’s been through it’s heat cycles after it’s been beaten over and over again. The brake pads and fluids as well is questionable. I do have to say tho the first gen m2 is def more nimble on the circuit.

  • @pedrovega1690
    @pedrovega1690 5 років тому

    Interesting review Matt, but I do have to agree that those brakes have probably seen a better days, specially in with that weight and heavy usage by the media.. Well, now on to the the M2 CS, to see if BMW has really stepped up their game on this little beauty! .. Keep up the great work Matt!

  • @mattx4253
    @mattx4253 5 років тому +2

    Dumb reviewer. Drives a lotus and a 911 and then thinks a street car half the price of the above is too heavy. Thinks rotor size has anything to do with brake feel and sharpness. Even the stock size brakes stop an M5. The m2c needs a track set up on brakes or they cook

  • @mdcohen
    @mdcohen 5 років тому

    I’ve been shopping four seat sports cars and I find them heavy and boring compared to two seaters. A lot of reviewers would have you believe that various M sedans/coupes are just as good as sports cars. Glad that we have Matt who is willing to say they’re not.

  • @skagerstrom
    @skagerstrom 5 років тому

    Glad to hear that RWD BMW with POWWAA isn''t an automatic success.

  • @mrjdgibbs
    @mrjdgibbs 5 років тому +1

    I think this is what happens when you spend a bunch of time in mid engined cars and then go straight to a bimmer.

  • @1337Hans
    @1337Hans 5 років тому +1

    While I agree these aren't very good track cars, especially if you just came out of other much more competent cars, something has to be wrong with the brakes...they were violently effective on the one I drove, and held up very well through the session.

  • @davidhunternyc1
    @davidhunternyc1 5 років тому

    Is the 1M a better car?

  • @Shakshuka69
    @Shakshuka69 5 років тому

    Would love to also see Zack's take on this and hear the comparison to his E46

  • @davidrivera4289
    @davidrivera4289 5 років тому

    Matt just demonstrated why huge rear wings are immediately added, for aftermarket set up, of very nose heavy cars for track days. For the road the M2 comp is quite good, specially for the money (Corvette C8 and Camaro ZL1 being far superior in performance for the buck).

  • @joshthebavarian
    @joshthebavarian 5 років тому +4

    IVe been to thermal for a BMW Driving event, those test cars are BEAT everyday and are essentially wrung out until they break. Willing to say that those pads are fairly worn as were the ones on the M6 I had the pleasure of sliding off track and popping the tires on LOL

  • @prashanthp5448
    @prashanthp5448 5 років тому

    I own the normal M2. It felt balanced albeit lacking some top end grunt which is hardly noticeable on the road. I drove the M2c and the first thing that caught my attention was the lack of nimbleness the original version had due to its marginally increased weight. It is a pity because apart from that, the s55 is a gem in every way (if you discount the atrocious sound).

    • @JonathanTyas
      @JonathanTyas 4 роки тому

      Prashanth P most say the M2 comp has much increased nimbleness due to its strut and bulkhead bracing.

  • @kevinnorwood7355
    @kevinnorwood7355 5 років тому

    I’m surprised that Matt has driven/shot a video on the new GT 500. As a whole it didn’t get a lot of press.

    • @ryanb8736
      @ryanb8736 5 років тому

      It’s an impressive car. Definitely a collectors car though.

  • @TheNick9910
    @TheNick9910 5 років тому +1

    Maybe the CS will be better

  • @83house
    @83house 5 років тому

    where can i get his yellow helmet..? so cute

  • @xmodcamaro
    @xmodcamaro 5 років тому

    If this is the case, the differentiating point between this and the rc-f doesn’t exist anymore. This car is heavy no doubt and Matt even got great initial turn in at many corners but I honestly think it’s the chassis that’s letting him down the ability of the car to put power down depends on our right foot and how fast we’re going at the limit of tires but the m2 inherently wants to slide the m2 competition isn’t any different. The brakes are something that is new, up until this point no one has really talked about the braking ability of this car, and I now think that no one really wanted to. This is a interesting review of the car nonetheless, thanks Matt.

  • @remcosol
    @remcosol 5 років тому

    It is not the first negative review , problem is the extra weight is in the nose (s55) is about 50 kg extra . Yes it is faster in a straight line but the corners are not an improvement . Some prefer the old m2

  • @greaser3069
    @greaser3069 5 років тому

    Matt, I agree with the strict review but I do think you were too harsh on this car, especially considering the supercars you drove before getting in the M2. However, I do know that the old M2 had brake issues too, but I think BMW would have fixed that by now. This car is also made for street driving and can be used as a daily. So when put against the harsh competition, I think you just misunderstood that car in particular. I would assume that the M2 CS should be on par with the others next year track wise.

  • @paulclifford3970
    @paulclifford3970 5 років тому

    Hi Matt, you need to be more aggressive with the brakes. They work totally fine. You just need to stand on them! First time I seen this in an M3 driven by a BMW driver it all came together for me.

  • @ethereous
    @ethereous 5 років тому

    I would say you may have to be more patient with corner entry. That may be why the car is trying to fight you so much mid corner.

    • @freedbeefpontoons
      @freedbeefpontoons 5 років тому

      Ethereous it's fighting him because the stability control is still on. MDM mode is basically for burnouts and drifts, it loosens up the tcs on-throttle but as soon as you lift, everything comes back so that an every day yahoo doesn't spin the thing or crash it (or more likely get it into a tank slapper)

  • @absaeed7870
    @absaeed7870 5 років тому +4

    I'm actually surprised, 27000 other reviews praised the M2 as being "the best M car

    • @Blastboost86
      @Blastboost86 4 роки тому +3

      Baby Shark the OG M2 which I have is praised because it is very well balanced and not as heavy as this Comp. you can get it to much lighter with Carbon bits but it will be pricey. Like the fenders, trunk, etc. Overall, the OG M2 is definitely the one you want plus it sounds better than the S55. I have driven the M2 Comp and he is spot on with his assessment and verdict on the comp.

  • @WillSatchwell
    @WillSatchwell 5 років тому

    Needs some EBC yellow pads and KW suspension to sort the M2 out effectively, however that makes it stupid money!

  • @Newgenblackops
    @Newgenblackops Рік тому

    This goodball said he has it in MDM with the stability control off, i guess my car is defective and never came with that second button….

  • @nikolishutinski2952
    @nikolishutinski2952 5 років тому

    Those brakes are big. But, as some say, bigger isn't always better (especially if worn out from too much action)

  • @mattb4353
    @mattb4353 5 років тому

    In that case the M4 is to heavy, as they have the same brakes. Although M2 is still a bit lighter. Maybe check the condition of the brakes before driving next time.

    • @PaulSvk84
      @PaulSvk84 5 років тому

      The M4 Comp with a manual weighs less than the M2 Comp manual. M4c 3565lb/M2C 3582 lbs

  • @revolutionx9370
    @revolutionx9370 4 роки тому +4

    “Feels like ur fighting the weight” but he weights more than the car

  • @BlitzkriegRap
    @BlitzkriegRap 5 років тому

    I always wondered why this little car is so heavy!!

  • @rideordie2318
    @rideordie2318 5 років тому +39

    Lol be careful with your words before you get jump by them fan boys

    • @ShaiyanHossain
      @ShaiyanHossain 5 років тому +6

      they are already out in full force in these comments

    • @rahulmandala4930
      @rahulmandala4930 5 років тому +1

      @@ShaiyanHossain lol so are the haters

    • @placeholdername3206
      @placeholdername3206 5 років тому +5

      Every BMW fan wanted this car to be sort of like the old E46 M3. Similar dimensions. I havent driven it yet, cant comment on it. Cars are heavier and softer today, thats just how it is.

    • @Tracertme
      @Tracertme 5 років тому

      That's exactly what I thought, brave words... the fanboys are coming... and I agree totally with "placeholder" it was looking over its shoulder at the E46 which was a legend...all the safety and electronics, gadgets today bloat modern cars weight. Some almost drive or park themselves.. :-) it is crazy...

    • @ryanb8736
      @ryanb8736 5 років тому

      Most of the fanboys don’t even own an M2.