Red Stars Over America: Exploring China's Shadowy Presence in Pre-War America

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  • @Vaultboy-ke2jj
    @Vaultboy-ke2jj Рік тому +78

    There’s also the Chinese Stealth Armour found in Hoover Dam in New Vegas, which is from an attempted sabotage

    • @The_Lucent_Archangel
      @The_Lucent_Archangel Рік тому +6

      Sadly the bit about that and the true origin of the New Plague as a US bio-weapon isn't fully considered official canon. About the closest thing to it is the Red Chinese bunker under the Whitespring in 76 in terms of a serious security breach.

    • @Vaultboy-ke2jj
      @Vaultboy-ke2jj Рік тому +10

      @@The_Lucent_Archangel it doesn’t have to have anything to do with the new plague. It’s a nod to it but it’s just some captured stealth armour from a canon game.

  • @MrAsianPie
    @MrAsianPie Рік тому +120

    7:30 considering how powerful the family was, the Calvert mansion could be one in a mere string of mansions. The house could’ve laid empty with a skeleton crew most of the year and so was a great place for Chinese agents to squat.

    • @miguellimaverde4545
      @miguellimaverde4545 Рік тому +3

      What a small world! I've actually watched some of your content before! Pretty neat 👍

  • @saturn12002
    @saturn12002 Рік тому +172

    Im pretty mad about the captain zao cut content, taking a Chinese nuclear sub to an underwater vault sounds incredible. Then again, and underwater vault doesn't seem to make much sense

    • @markcarpenter6020
      @markcarpenter6020 Рік тому +50

      Makes a good bit when you realize water is a natural radiation blocker.

    • @saturn12002
      @saturn12002 Рік тому +14

      @@markcarpenter6020 but how would they get people there? Every vault was essentially built for human experimentation. Save for a few control vaults. We know that most prewar Americans were taken almost by complete surprise, and many didn't even think the bombs were actually falling. Even with vault tecs early warning, I don't see them successfully getting people to an underwater vault in the ocean, in a timely manor.

    • @markcarpenter6020
      @markcarpenter6020 Рік тому +45

      @@saturn12002 just have it connected to land by a tunnel. You can even point out the tunnel was damaged or collapsed by the bombs in the game. It dosent have to be very far offshore to work as a vault. Just in maybe 100 -150 foot depth range.(that can be within half a mile of shore)

    • @evandaymon8303
      @evandaymon8303 Рік тому +18

      That and you do remember there is such thing as rich people who could afford to get to that vault.
      There is also a mod that restore the underwater vault by simply putting a elevator that leads to a underground tunnel which you have to go through a port hole into the water to get to the vault. If i am correct there used to be a small submarine which will take people to vault.
      Also it’s fallout none of things they do make sense logically. You don’t necessarily turn to a ghoul when taking high radiation amounts you freaking die a slow painful death

    • @concept5631
      @concept5631 Рік тому +1

      ​@@markcarpenter6020 Yeah that's what I was thinking as well

  • @drunkenmmamaster419
    @drunkenmmamaster419 Рік тому +25

    Wish Fallout 4 dipped more into this lore with the hidden PLA broadcasts and bases

    • @devinmease
      @devinmease 3 місяці тому +3

      Yeah, it's weird they didn't include any Chinese bases in fallout 4, given how many locations held secrets that would be important to China.
      It would've been cool to find a Chinese intelligence bunker. Maybe close to fort strong, gathering intelligence on the development of the fat man.

  • @Gadgetman1989
    @Gadgetman1989 Рік тому +47

    1:24 not to mention how if you use resurrect command on these two, they will be hostile to each other and whoever wins, they will then go after the player...but generally it's a deathmatch as they are both about equal

    • @hotmailcompany52
      @hotmailcompany52 Рік тому +9

      more than likely developer leftovers but I like to imagine they went crazy being locked down there together trying to survive the fallout from nukes they didn't expect

    • @Gadgetman1989
      @Gadgetman1989 Рік тому +6

      @@hotmailcompany52 that's what I thought too when I first tested it, sure is a neat thing to stumble upon, as most bodies don't do anything when you do that else wise

  • @GSCBrowning
    @GSCBrowning 9 місяців тому +16

    Hear me out:
    Any way you put it, USA Military and PRC Military aesthetics are terrific in Fallout. Even the propaganda versions are sick (looking at the Subjugator and Armor Ace). Operation Anchorage exemplifies the Chinese side and the Enclave exemplifies the American side. Either way, Fallout’s military art direction is spot on.

  • @myschloss
    @myschloss Рік тому +31

    Point Lookout’s Velvet Curtain was a perfect example (as mentioned in the video) of this. You find out about a Chinese Secret Agent-Dr. Jiang-finish her mission, and find out what would have awaited her.
    While minor, I think it’s worth mentioning the Little Yangtze Camp in the Big MT. Because it held Chinese prisoners, a good amount of them were probably spies.

    • @DiocletianLarius
      @DiocletianLarius Рік тому

      I think Little Yangtze held mostly Chinese-American people, detained after the Executive Order 99066 (which is a reference to the real world Executive Order 9066 of Roosevelt, that put Japanese-American people in concentration camps)

  • @f.7681
    @f.7681 Рік тому +84

    N_orte is favoured, a bot comment chain! He can now say hes sucessful and support Fallout's work and the Church of Bethesda.

    • @alpha_9997
      @alpha_9997 Рік тому +9

      Man versus machine, we must make sure the chain does not takeover

    • @NCRVeteranRanger
      @NCRVeteranRanger Рік тому +10

      “The Church of Bethesda”
      Praise be to our lord & savior, Godd Howard. 🙏

    • @Ilikebugs2464
      @Ilikebugs2464 Рік тому +9

      ​@@alpha_9997hope I get some australium

    • @alpha_9997
      @alpha_9997 Рік тому +5

      @@Ilikebugs2464 better give me some

    • @blockwearingman
      @blockwearingman Рік тому +1

      @@Ilikebugs2464 wuhuhu

  • @purplepioneer5644
    @purplepioneer5644 Рік тому +46

    Nietzsche was right in our universe too, at least in part. When he said “god is dead, and we killed him” he was not boasting, he was talking about how advances in science and industrialization etc had “killed” the role the church/god held in western societies. He then went on to talk about how people will try to fill this void with many different things; a process still ongoing.

    • @SpacemarineHelldiver
      @SpacemarineHelldiver Рік тому

      Bruh Nietzsche is just another guy who shares his opinions, God doesn't exist neither Allah or Buddha, you people are just uneducated, that's all.

  • @Hexoutdoors
    @Hexoutdoors Рік тому +35

    Love your fallout lore videos man. I can’t get enough. I remember when I first played Fallout 3. It was such a mind f*ck. I was reading every terminal anything I could get my hands on to learn the history of what/why fallout happened. I didn’t know anything about the previous games.

    • @blackwaltz3135
      @blackwaltz3135 Рік тому +1

      same here, my brain was a sponge, and fallout new vegas came...... then eventually fallout 4 lol it was a gold mine

  • @KaitoGillscale
    @KaitoGillscale Рік тому +34

    I’ve always found it fun to get in-character playing an RPG, so with my Fallout 76 character I made up a story that my character was a Chinese double-agent infiltrating America to usher in communism, with my front being an Enclave agent. So “in public” I have the enclave officer uniform on with a normal home, but in a room locked off from the rest of my base it’s all red propaganda and a Red Shift power armor set I use for raids. Is it excessive? Sure. But if Bethesda isn’t gonna give me more content I’ll make my own!

    • @lazwardazure716
      @lazwardazure716 Рік тому +1

      That Chinese Assault Rifle Skin Works as well. Also Gauss Weapons are apparently of Chinese origin (if the Gauss Minigun being the one from Fallout Tactics can still be believed)

    • @Supersonicspyro
      @Supersonicspyro Рік тому

      ​@@lazwardazure716wait there's a Chinese assault rifle skin?

  • @kedarriussimpson1085
    @kedarriussimpson1085 Рік тому +9

    Someone actually playing fallout in third person...
    Respect 🙏

    • @dudepool7530
      @dudepool7530 6 місяців тому

      I actually have an easier time in 3rd.
      I only go into 1st person for looting usually.
      I'm such a weird player, I've been playing since 3 came out, and just this year started using chems! No reason, just never bothers.
      Yes, us crazy people do exist.

  • @MarrockV
    @MarrockV Рік тому +5

    Along with Piper and Nick, Zao is one of my favorite NPCs.

  • @graylyhen9490
    @graylyhen9490 Рік тому

    The numbers station op they were pulling was insane. I love that kind of stuff in this series. The Point Lookout submarine was another big one

  • @Dealerofdeath1998
    @Dealerofdeath1998 Рік тому +5

    Keep making your wholesome content bro love it ❤

  • @DuneRunnerEnterprises
    @DuneRunnerEnterprises Рік тому +4

    Excellent info gathering,and presentation!!

  • @st.anselmsfire3547
    @st.anselmsfire3547 Рік тому +5

    It's weird that the water is irradiated in Fallout. Water absorbs radiation pretty quick. The only thing radioactive enough that you'd still be getting rads from the shallows centuries later is ion exchanger resin. Even bombs wouldn't do that.

    • @lurkingone7079
      @lurkingone7079 Рік тому +3

      Radiation in Fallout is a bit weird. Seeing how it may cause visions, immortality, psychic powers etc. Its easier to compare it to magic energy.

    • @jasperlazuly6623
      @jasperlazuly6623 Рік тому

      ​@@lurkingone7079 or is explained for dunwich borers demon maeby?
      I dont talk very english, sorry my errors

    • @DiocletianLarius
      @DiocletianLarius Рік тому

      Yeah I read somewhere that after 200 years the radiation should've disappeared from most of the Wasteland, considering what happened with Hiroshima and Nagasaki in our timeline, but I guess making the game "realistic" would kill most of the aesthetic and mechanics.
      The Mojave is pretty clean though, thanks to House's missile defense system.
      In the same sense, Fallout's radiation follows many old and incorrect beliefs we always had from pop culture like "radiation is green" or "nuclear war=nuclear winter", etc.

    • @dudepool7530
      @dudepool7530 6 місяців тому

      Dear Bethesda,
      ITS ME... AUSTIN! 😂

  • @korbens.8960
    @korbens.8960 Рік тому +24

    You forgot about Mama Dolce factory in Fallout 3. There’s a few alive Chinese Remnants that are hostile in there. 9:29

    • @Vaultboy-ke2jj
      @Vaultboy-ke2jj Рік тому +2

      Erm no he didn’t, you missed that part of the video?

    • @korbens.8960
      @korbens.8960 Рік тому +6

      @@Vaultboy-ke2jj I thought he was doing it by game. Only watched until he started doing fallout 4. May bad! Thanks for letting me know. 12:53

  • @DiocletianLarius
    @DiocletianLarius Рік тому +10

    I know it's probably a game thing, but I find weird that a lot of these Chinese remnants and troopers didn't attempt to take over the US after the bombs fell. I'm sure the Great War was unexpected for most of them (besides the Yangtze submarine), but what better opportunity to conquer an enemy country than during the chaos of a post-nuclear war? Even if there was no longer a country to conquer, the Chinese should've tried to secure government centers and military bases at least, that's how I imagine the origins of the Chinese/Shi's San Francisco.

    • @justinl4412
      @justinl4412 11 місяців тому +6

      The chinese were only maintaining relatively small groups of spies in the states when the bombs fell. Even if they could still focus on the goal of conquering the US instead of trying to get home, they probably didnt have the numbers or the firepower to defeat the remnants of the US army or tame the general anarchy/violence of any areas of importance.

    • @DiocletianLarius
      @DiocletianLarius 11 місяців тому

      @@justinl4412 oh yeah, it makes sense

  • @anzaca1
    @anzaca1 Рік тому +1

    16:55 Kinda want to try 76 now. Looks fun.

  • @john_blues
    @john_blues 2 дні тому +2

    (Going to check my basement for secret bunkers)

    • @N_orte
      @N_orte  День тому +1

      You never know!

  • @DerNomade1871
    @DerNomade1871 Рік тому +5

    2:26
    Translation into English commoner tongue is apparently "The abyss also into you" which also would explain why it makes no sense given its a partial quote

  • @themangledwither
    @themangledwither Рік тому +5

    I think the commando encounter is labeled in the game as downed pilot so uhh guess we found a paratrooper

  • @GamingWithVector
    @GamingWithVector Рік тому +1

    Bruh where's the New Vegas Hoover Dam spy

  • @lindelheimen
    @lindelheimen Рік тому +6

    Oh dang can’t wait to watch this one!

  • @Sillygoober2006
    @Sillygoober2006 Рік тому +13

    Man i love this content you should do a fallout 76 lore video next perhaps

    • @theendofdays2285
      @theendofdays2285 Рік тому

      agree.

    • @YazzPott
      @YazzPott Рік тому +1

      ZzzzZzZZzzz
      Joking, but it depends on what parts. Some of it is a fucking mess. The raider lore is pretty good though, which I believe he has already made videos about.

    • @290-n2x
      @290-n2x Рік тому +1

      What else was a mess the only thing i could think of was the brotherhood expedition the rest of the lore was pretty fucking good from what i seen

  • @dustyclink1468
    @dustyclink1468 Рік тому +5

    Wake up babe, new N_orte video dropped

  • @wubbo3675
    @wubbo3675 Рік тому +2

    It's crazy how much chinese stuff I've missed while wondering the wastes

  • @jesusmunoz6161
    @jesusmunoz6161 Рік тому

    I’m so glad he said Maryland right

  • @Lumberjack_king
    @Lumberjack_king 7 місяців тому

    I’ve always wondered why Chiba became the 2nd super power instead of the ussr

  • @humonculeverotostre6804
    @humonculeverotostre6804 Рік тому

    My boy rocking the bloodied stealth handmade build. I'm proud. Stay filthy my friend

  • @Grimpy970
    @Grimpy970 Рік тому +20

    The writers are really showing their inexperience with firearms and military doctrine here. They talk about a covert Chinese base being stocked with 1200 'units' of ammunition. I speak from experience when I say a thousand rounds of ammo will run dry in one afternoon if you're doing basic target practice for 5 people. A combat loadout usually includes up to 150 rounds per person. You're looking at 750 being carried on patrols or actions by a 5 man group

    • @zjjohnson3827
      @zjjohnson3827 Рік тому +2

      While you are almost certainly right about Bethesda not knowing their stuff, I suppose I can kinda twist my brain and say “the Chinese kept a very very small supply of ammo so as to not draw undue attention to large purchases and transport of ammunition.”

    • @girf4233
      @girf4233 Рік тому +6

      this is assuming this "unit" means a single bullet. Which is unlikely. Otherwise they would've likely said "rounds" or "bullets"

    • @Autumn_Actually
      @Autumn_Actually Рік тому +7

      What are you considering a "unit"? It could be a truckload, a magazine, etc.

    • @MatthewFavorite1927
      @MatthewFavorite1927 Рік тому +14

      On some of the terminals in the base it talks about how their requests for more ammo and supplies keep getting denied so I think they are just under supplied

    • @katanah3195
      @katanah3195 Рік тому +4

      @@MatthewFavorite1927 Reminds me of some of the NCR bases in New Vegas, where the leadership will bitch to the player about being undersupplied and ignored.

  • @theodorekaczynski8147
    @theodorekaczynski8147 Рік тому +1

    17:10 isn’t this the plot of Van Buren?

  • @Bigvenomsnakeboss
    @Bigvenomsnakeboss 6 місяців тому

    Wait they had sweet and sour stroganoff? Nd one even batted an eye at that? Bro that some drunk stuff, the hell wouldn't anyone question that?

    • @dudepool7530
      @dudepool7530 6 місяців тому

      Vim Captains Blend.
      'Nuff said.

  • @YazzPott
    @YazzPott Рік тому +6

    Banger video as always, my Canadian brother

    • @YazzPott
      @YazzPott Рік тому

      @@user-71675 nope, I am not a bot user-71675

  • @Violet_Imp
    @Violet_Imp 10 місяців тому

    You missed the agents in New Vegas

  • @dillpickel6767
    @dillpickel6767 Рік тому

    I really do think about the other country’s and how they thought

  • @ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz
    @ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz Рік тому +27

    Nice. Personally i ruin the plans for the captain of the Yangzee, because Nate is a soldier and literally saw the bombs that were launched from that very sub just a few weeks ago, the bombs that started his current living nightmare.
    I can do roleplay better than bethesda can do writing.

    • @SuperLumianaire
      @SuperLumianaire Рік тому +13

      He actually seems remorseful. I spare him and help him so he can go home and rebuild his home. I hate commies, but he is no longer an enemy and he did not start a fight.

    • @Autumn_Actually
      @Autumn_Actually Рік тому +23

      Your character was no different to the Captain: two survivors of a pointless war long over. War caused the end, why continue the bloodshed over long dead nations?

    • @YazzPott
      @YazzPott Рік тому +7

      The fact you can ruin it, is the roleplay you are asking for. FO4 is bad when it come to rpg mechanics, but you have the option. I personally can understand him. If I recall, he feels guilty, and that the whole war was pointless.
      Hes not that different than the poor americans that committed brutal acts and died for some oil companies. (Im not american)

    • @squiglemcsquigle8414
      @squiglemcsquigle8414 Рік тому

      At the start of fallout 4 in nates speech he doesn't sound like he is pro war tbh.

  • @trippyjosh6795
    @trippyjosh6795 Рік тому

    what best time to watch this video then 4th of july? lol

  • @WhimsicalLittledawg
    @WhimsicalLittledawg Рік тому +1

    Wow, this is cool!
    AND COOL HAT!

  • @NotKenBlock94
    @NotKenBlock94 Рік тому +1

    Oh shit, new N_orte video just dropped

  • @gatorcroc7212
    @gatorcroc7212 Рік тому

    Seriously where can we get the pip boy art of your videos?? Share I want that as a tattoo

  • @AmalekIsComing
    @AmalekIsComing Рік тому

    Yeah

  • @delmuswu-tangbroadnax9056
    @delmuswu-tangbroadnax9056 Рік тому +4

    Ever since Subnautica i havent been able to bring myself to explore the ocean in video games even in Minecraft lmao

    • @dudepool7530
      @dudepool7530 6 місяців тому +1

      Huh.
      My biggest disappointment in fallout is the lack of oceanic combat. With all the corpses of mutated dolphins on the beaches of the commonwealth, I spent at least an hour swimming around trying to find what took a bite on my first playthrough.
      Then there's the disappointment of the pointless piping on the sea floor....

  • @dudepool7530
    @dudepool7530 6 місяців тому

    "Who but China knows where China is and has been?"
    The Zetans. The Zetans *ALWAYS* know!

  • @spider-spectre
    @spider-spectre Рік тому +6

    Almost as if the writers were trying to tell us something.....

    • @spider-spectre
      @spider-spectre Рік тому +1

      Chinese spies in the american system, large rich corpo chinese traitors, China mobilizing on to American soil through businesses, owning land before any conflict or war is started, American traitors tempted with nice words and bribes, China have full control over many different production lines of America (Made In China)

    • @Autumn_Actually
      @Autumn_Actually Рік тому +9

      ​@@spider-spectre are you ignoring the fact the USA wasn't the good guy in Fallout? The Enclave, various horrifying projects, rampant poverty and evil companies...

    • @cherry9787
      @cherry9787 Рік тому +8

      ​@@Autumn_Actually Remove "in fallout"

    • @spider-spectre
      @spider-spectre Рік тому +1

      @@Autumn_Actually Authoritarian governments are the problem. What point are you trying to make? That the Chinese are the good guys? Regardless of what you think of America in Fallout or irl, if YOU are an American, why would you want to be at the mercy of an invader? You literally have a better chance with the Enclave, Vaults etc. than getting shot on sight by a Chinese soldier yelling "Sǐguǐ lǎo!"

    • @spider-spectre
      @spider-spectre Рік тому +1

      @@Autumn_Actually The game is telling you to not be a sellout, that America has become a sellout to its values to a quick buck, utilizing Chinese slave labor for cheap products which Americans are addicted to consuming thus work endlessly to buy dumb cheap plastic and useless gadgets. And through this, the corrupt have taken power with great funds, those with sadistic, self centered, narcissistic views now control the workings of government and the biggest businesses. Corrupt AMericans who betray their people for selfish benefit are the Enclave, Vault Tec, Worker corps like Hornwright, who fed off and even benefited from the conflict with China, taking the fear and propaganda to allow them free reign on how to steer the country.

  • @Matt-md5yt
    @Matt-md5yt Рік тому +1

    Thanks for this one. I sometimes wonder about the enemy. Also didn't know about the Pitt thing

    • @YazzPott
      @YazzPott Рік тому

      *your enemies enemy

  • @Autumn_Actually
    @Autumn_Actually Рік тому +17

    It's crazy how many people play Fallout, and somehow miss the point of "war is bad and the greed of nations will end the world" and then go parrot propaganda in real life.

    • @YazzPott
      @YazzPott Рік тому +2

      Hahah big green guy wants milk lmao 😂😂

    • @SpacemarineHelldiver
      @SpacemarineHelldiver Рік тому

      Most fallout fans are weird, don't expect them to understand philosophy or history, most of them are just rednecks or weirdos who live in their mom's basements.

  • @guitarplayer5559
    @guitarplayer5559 Рік тому +1

    I was trying to find our where that fucking whirring sound was coming from for the first 5 minutes of this video. Audio is a bit fucked.

  • @jayl5032
    @jayl5032 Рік тому +1

    "Where was China?'
    Oh I dunno m8, somewhere out East I reckon.
    *laugh track and clapping with woops and hollers*
    Heheh thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week.

  • @ds2og
    @ds2og Рік тому +1

    I love your videos cuh

  • @isaacfullerton
    @isaacfullerton 6 місяців тому

    You know?

  • @xxcrazymanxx1001
    @xxcrazymanxx1001 Рік тому

    There just needs to be a fan made fallout just slapped with a generic name

  • @Bunni-Boiii
    @Bunni-Boiii Рік тому

    His voice sounds different I'm this one???

  • @ralphsloka.
    @ralphsloka. Рік тому

    its zao not žau

  • @nolanrueckert8061
    @nolanrueckert8061 Рік тому

    I love roleplaying like a Chinese communist in fallout 4

  • @ricktherockandroller
    @ricktherockandroller Рік тому

    Canadian a?

  • @skippy-the-destroyer
    @skippy-the-destroyer Рік тому

    For the Algorithm! Lol good vid.

  • @kamerongrossi3471
    @kamerongrossi3471 Рік тому +1

    Love your shit my guy!!!

  • @dominicsouthern7672
    @dominicsouthern7672 Рік тому

    Where was the Kuomintang during all of this? Wouldnt they help in tje conflict or wouldve been in US propaganda

  • @resdyne9590
    @resdyne9590 Рік тому +3

    Seems in the fallout universe the neo liberal hegemom needed the same type of boogeyman that our universe did. Red scare, death squads, cold War turned hot.

  • @FecklessandKekless
    @FecklessandKekless Рік тому

    "Where did that guy even come from"
    Thats how the *REDS* are y'know... he was probably your neighbor... cant trust anyone these days. Stay vigilant, patriot

  • @GH0STUN1T
    @GH0STUN1T Рік тому +11

    I wanna play as the honorable communist China in fallout 5. Long live communism! 👻

    • @Cat-uv7dy
      @Cat-uv7dy Рік тому +11

      Honorable and communist aren’t words that go together

    • @ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz
      @ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz Рік тому +10

      ​@@Cat-uv7dy but every Fallout game lets you play as a good communist.
      By letting ones health points reach 0.

    • @GH0STUN1T
      @GH0STUN1T Рік тому

      @Cat-uv7dy I think you are confused communist is a form of goverment that puts community above all else. Capitalism is the true evil as they put money above all else case and point 26k die every year from lack of medical coverage in america cuz they cant afford it. Take care comrade.

    • @jordanashmore5643
      @jordanashmore5643 Рік тому +5

      Booo! Booo! Booo communism!

    • @jordanashmore5643
      @jordanashmore5643 Рік тому +4

      @@GH0STUN1T the taxes that fund those programs were voted for democratically. And when taxes are raised that is voted on as well. DEMOCRATICALLY.

  • @itsjykee
    @itsjykee Рік тому +1

    I was hoping he’d put a trump meme when he said China

  • @ryanhelm1813
    @ryanhelm1813 Рік тому

    420th like.