Surprising at first but the more I think about it the more it makes sense. Pop Rock encompasses bands like The Beatles, The Beach Boys, Weezer, Green Day, etc and when you see it through that lens it makes a lot more sense.
"Sounds like it sucks to me" That made me laugh my ass off, not triggered or anything but knowing you said that about one of the most iconic rock songs of the 80s/90s in such a blasé fashion was quite hilarious
Jazz fusion is easily an A tier genere to me, at least. Return to forever, Brand X, Miles Davis's 70's records, Weather report, Allan Holdsworth, UK... So many amazing artists
Hey Mike I know your not huge on Radiohead, however I’d love to see a Radiohead video that’s in the same vain of The Pink Floyd video. (Great video btw) it would be great to see your perspective on the whole discography. 🤘🏻
I just thought it would be beyond interesting to see Mike and Finn do this kind of ranking TOGETHER 🤣 Both have takes i don't agree with but they sometimes seem as polar opposites... But i'm always more in agreement with Mike's takes. Finn is super entertaining to watch but he often seems to put too much emphasis on looks, fashion and culture instead of the actual music.
@@scottbulinski5450 I agree. Dance punk, like Death from Above, LCD Soundsystem, Test Icicles, and Late of the Pier, is definitely a thing, albeit, niche, but dance rock, like STRFKR, Luna Luna, and Ghostland Observatory, are more likely to be classified as electronic rock/pop rather than dance rock. The example he gave was poor too in my opinion.
@@SpiralDream Taste IS subjective, but i do think mike presents it too much as 'this is how it is and any other opinion is dogshit'. But yeah, a healthy fist full of salt over the shoulder, as per usually with these kinds of videos, never hurts. ;)
@@Volvith When he really goes in depth, I can understand and respect his arguments, but outside of that he's not very good at saying he doesn't like something without sounding like a bit of an asshole.
This reminds me of a story I heard about High Hefner back in the day. So there was a monk that snuck into the Playboy Mansion and tried to sell flowers to all the girls that were staying there to fundraise for the US Forest Service and Hefner got upset about it. After he kicked him off the property, one of the girls started crying and asked him why he did that. He said, “Sweetheart, only Hugh can prevent florist friars!”
Skinny Puppy was actually a heavy fire starter for Industrial music as a whole, balancing their older albums with more dark synth pop and their later albums being a mix of Industrial metal/rock. Actually a little known fact, some of the fellas from Skinny Puppy were helping with the band Ministry in their older album "Land of Rape and Honey."
I always thought emo as pop punk garbage that was inspired by The Goth culture... Which is quite sickening and annoying being that i like Goth culture... Every time somebody sees a goth person or hears goth music the first thing they always yell is emo emo emo emo...🤦🏻
Industrial is definitely a genre within rock. Nine Inch Nails has always been considered rock. Usually alternative rock or industrial. Usually most industrial sounds like Powerman 5000. Nowadays, it’s mostly dudes trying to be like Powerman 5000 despite the fact they only play like 100-cap rooms. I’ve met a few local people who play it and it’s usually a demo who’s sort of rural but also likes raves.
Really? Maybe because I am European but Industrial here sounds more like EDM people combining metal with DnB or Dub. Like its still rock/metal but the focus also heavy in EDM. I mean local bands here sound more like Mick Gordon or Blue Stahli basically making industrial video game music. I mean I know that people would label them as "electronic rock/metal" but I mean if you look definition for electronic rock/metal its literally "industrial mixed with rock" and industrial is already a mixture between rock and electronica music so... electronic rock is "rock/electronica fusion mixed with rock music" kinda stupid definition.
It sounds like you're talking more about Glam Metal than Glam Rock. The latter is much more the lines of David Bowie, T. Rex, Sweet, Queen, Sparks, and Roxy Music. To me, that is one of the best genres of Rock because of its creativity and experimentation. It could be as glamourous as David Bowie and Roxy Music, as good-time-feeling as 10cc and T. Rex, as empowering as Sweet and Queen, as experimental as Sparks, and as Punky as The New York Dolls. There's so much ground covered in Glam Rock, and all of it just screams creativity!
And in fact, 70s glam rock didn't exactly brought back virtuosity (the guitar heroes thing and so on) to pop. It did pretty much the contrary, it brought back 50s good time rock n roll philosophy. Queen doesn't really applies as proper 70s glam in my book because they covered many other areas, some of them quite different to glam, like prog rock or the more virtuosistic side of heavy metal (Brian May was always closer to Blackmore or Eddie Van Halen than to Marc Bolan and the like). Curiously the Sweet were also a bit of a proto-metal band, but they didnt go as far.
@@MGdelOeste I agree with most of this, but Queen represented the more Artsy side of Glam Rock in their early years, in the same light as a band like Sparks. But yes, they covered a lot of ground including Heavy Metal, Progressive Rock, Glam Rock, Pop Rock, and numerous fusion genres too. When I say Glam Rock in terms of Queen, I mean Killer Queen, Seven Seas Of Rhye, Fat Bottomed Girls, Brighton Rock, Keep Yourself Alive, et cetera. You might say that none of these songs sound similar, and you'd be right! Queen were that varied in styles that even the songs in the same genre would sound very different from each other.
@@TheBlackQueen Yeeeah, I was also thinking on those songs as Glam Rock in terms of Queen. They all are catchy, relatively simpler takes on their hard rock sound (except perhaps for tunes line Killer Queen).
@@MGdelOeste Killer Queen is an example of the more artsy style of Glam Rock that was less Proto-Punky (though Queen did have some Proto-Punk elements on their debut) than their peers.
@@MGdelOeste *like prog rock or the more virtuosistic side of heavy metal (Brian May was always closer to Blackmore or Eddie Van Halen than to Marc Bolan and the like* ummm......Van halen as metal? I personally think that they're more like hard rock than anything else. *Curiously the Sweet were also a bit of a proto-metal band, but they didnt go as far.* Dude. Seriously? What makes you even think that sweet are a proto-metal band?
Apparently he's heard them before on Song Suggestion streams, but in that case I'm surprised he's never heard I Wanna Be Adored, one of their most famous songs
Wow, who in there right mind would ever class can't get you out of my head by Kylie Minogue as Rock in any sense of the meaning, its a straight up pop song.
Jazz fusion & jazz rock are different, but it’s understandable to lump them together. Bands like Chicago & Steely Dan are jazz-rock, while Mahavishnu or Weather Report are fusion.
Thank you for not shitting on blues rock, I was surprised with your ranking. I play a lot of heavy music but I enjoy playing improve blues rock or jazz on my looper pedal to “shift gears” mentally when I have writers block or want to just jam for a few minutes.
@@domri4203 Yeah but he said he thinks they’re more electronic then rock which makes me feel like he hasn’t listened to a whole lot of NIN. Downward Spiral has some straight up rock songs like March of the Pigs for example
I've always understood "glam rock" refers to the 70s glam movement (T Rex, Sweet, Slade, Bowie, New York Dolls, Gary Glitter, Transformer era Lou Reed, probably even Kiss and Alice Cooper...) instead of 80s "glam metal". There were 80s bands clearly influenced by proper 70s glam bands (Twisted Sister started out basically as one, Def Leppard were very influenced by them, Too Fast for Love era Motley Crue, Poison...) but there were also lots of 80s bands that were straight out hard rock, heavy metal or "AOR" groups. That doesn't mean 70s glam wasn't also a kind of catch-all term based mostly on looks, but underneath it there was a philosophy, and I think this is important. It is because in the description of the genre you said it brought back virtuosity to pop mainstream. But, actually, proper glam rock in the 70s did just the opposite: they brought back the poppy, carefree and amateur-ish side of rock n roll after the pshychedelic, prog explosion.
@@lukeizabelle2131 Yeah, but I have the feeling that specially in America (where 70s glam rock wasn't as big as in the UK) this division isn't as clear cut
I've always preferred to use the word Progressive in terms of Prog as being about the music itself Progressing on, as in changing moods and styles from one part of the song to the next. This is a big reason why Prog albums tend to connect the songs as if they were just one long song which is often interpreted as such. This way it doesn't have to stick to the idea of always pushing boundaries that have never been done before. Of course, this was both the case for older 60s and 70s Prog.
Mike, have you heard Bo Burnham's parody of Country music? It was the first thing I thought of when you explained why Country Rock was going in the F tier.
Industrial is a genre that has a ton of influences so whether it’s industrial Metal, rock, or “electro industrial” (which is the definition of redundant) to me it’s all industrial music. And stuff like Fear Factory is really just Thrash Metal with some industrial influences.
I don't really understand how you have art rock and prog rock so far apart. They really go hand in hand and many bands cross into both at the same time.
Jazz fusion is S tier tome because of bands like The Aristocrats, Other proyects from Guthrie like The Fellowship, Greg howe, Al Di Meola, Thundercat, Allan Holdsworth, Shawn Lane, Chick Corea or japanese bands like Casiopea and Masayoshi Takanaka and mouse on the keys. And no math rock on the list? another S tier for sure to me
While electronic rock does feel like more of a description of instruments used than an overall style of music, I feel it's legitimate, although I prefer the term 'synthrock'. I think Kasabian is a good example of an electronic rock band, although they're pretty hard to categorise; they usually get tagged 'indie rock' as a result (which I'm surprised wasn't on this tier list, although it would probably end up in the bottom two tiers). Shock rock on the other hand, hell no, that just feels like a pure aesthetic label and I can only think of like 3 artists who qualify. Also for symphonic rock I can think of more specific songs than artists; only artists I can think of are ELO and Muse from 2009-2012. And yeah, I've never understood the difference between heartland and roots, and especially 'swamp pop/rock'.
That being said, almost all of the Google results for 'electronic rock' were straight up bullshit. Can't Get You Out of My Head is a pop and nu-disco song, the FURTHEST thing from rock, I Wanna Be Adored is indie rock and Madchester (another that could qualify for 'redundant' tier) with elements of psychedelic and dance-rock, don't know All My Friends; the only one of those that is accurate is Sail by Awolnation, but I've also seen that song tagged as 'industrial rock', which I disagree with
You just pissed off every single British person that watches you by instantly dismissing The Stone Roses. They are an incredible band, here in Britain they are absolutely legendary and were about 5 years ahead of everyone else for what would become the popular sound of British music in the 90s. Extremely disappointing to see you dismiss them based on the intro to their most famous song before it even starts. Your section on Britpop didn't make any sense to me either. I have literally never gotten the vibe you described from any Britpop band. Maybe it's just because you don't know what British culture is actually like but I think you were way off on that one.
I got the feeling he didn't like them from his Describe Bands in One Sentence #3 (in which I was surprised he even knew them), but couldn't tell if he was being serious or not
Bro I like your channel but I urge you to do some research before dismissing stuff for the sake of having an opinion. It seems to me that you don't know what Britpop is. It's a somewhat broad term used to describe alternative-derived but very populist rock from Britain in the mid-90s. The bands that come to mind are Oasis, Blur, Pulp, Suede, and a few other bands. None of those bands exactly radiate social outcast energy. In fact it was widely perceived as an optimistic response to American grunge. I think you must have been thinking of bands like Coldplay, Keane and any other British band that based their sound on Radiohead's mid-90s ballads. I don't know why the Stone Roses are called electronic rock apart from songs like Fools Gold (and I'm being really loose here, it's generally seen as a dance-rock or funk-rock track). Aside from that, to dismiss a song like I Wanna Be Adored on the basis of a few seconds of the intro is like hearing the intro of Battery by Metallica and calling them a flamenco artist. They are arguably to Britpop what the Pixies were to grunge. Enormously influential band that defined the sound of the next decade of British rock. You've confused glam metal with glam rock. Entirely different genre. Glam rock refers to early 70s artists like David Bowie, T Rex, Roxy Music and Slade. These artists were enormously influential to alternative rock and punk to come and had a gender-bending aesthetic that certainly INSPIRED Glam Metal's look but Glam Metal had a macho (and in some cases, misogynist, but anyway) undercurrent and was ridden with power ballads and hard rock anthems with guitar virtuosity inspired by EVH. Glam rock was more outwardly feminine and also, very experimental musically. No hate, love your channel. But do a bit more research.
Jazz-fusion and Yacht Rock would be S-tier for me. Unparalleled genres in regards to crafting a certain feeling / atmosphere. Soft Rock isn't really a thing because it doesn't zero in enough as a term on what makes the good stuff actually good.
personally i think post punk should be higher. talking heads, television, joy division, the smiths, the cure... so many important and influential bands to the indie/alt scene during that era
10:40 I think Emo is a mix between Pop Punk and Metalcore, an example is from Fall Out Boy with the song Saturday when bridge comes, there’s some growls from the bassist
A lot of the core (metalcore, deathcore, post hardcore) subgenres have their roots in emo. A lot of it having roots in skramz (Orchid, Pg99) as well as emo (Sunny Day, Thursday). A lot of it splintered off into their own things by the mid 2000s, but I think At The Drive In were the penultimate culmination of the styles and inspired people to take it in various directions.
I love Ska, but I knew you were going to put it there...lol. I could probably argue it up to a C, but that would require to have you listen to some 2nd wave ska. Go listen to some Scofflaws and/or The Toasters if interested. Thanks for the list!
Mike is so effing entertaining that I was 18 minutes into this video before I figured out what was printed on his hoodie/top. 😆 Apologies, bro. I just don't pay attention to your clothing.
I only ever heard sail on rock stations and wondered how it was rock. Guess it was too "edgy" for the pop stations? But radio stations have been pretty abysmal with their set lists for awhile. it's had to have been a good decade now since I heard someone the radio and was like "man, who's that? What song is this?" Started using YT music and between the algorithm bringing decent stuff my way and a couple channels like this, I've been stoked to finally expand the shit I listen to. Too much of same good music has been getting stale for me over the years
@@iliketrains3495 that’s true but there’s plenty of guitar in it also. Plenty of Nine Inch Nails songs that have guitar, plenty of ministry songs that have guitar, skinny puppy, Marilyn Manson, so on and so forth
I was wondering your opinion on Will Yip? He has made some classics in the scene lately (Movements, Turnstile, Turnover, Citizen, Circa Survive) and his production feels very progressive (in a Pink Floyd kind of way) to me
Hard disagree on jazz rock being the same as fusion jazz; fusion jazz at its core is the electrification of modal jazz using rock, blues and funk mainly as references. Jazz rock would only be the fusion that mainly comes from rock, or uses rock as their main reference. I don't think something like duel of the jester and the tyrant is Jazz Rock for example, because it's so much more medieval, modal and funk than it is rock, but i can't say the same for don't make waves from Brand X on the other hand. TL;DR: every jazz rock is fusion jazz but not every fusion jazz is rock.
Emo is really just a confusing genre. When I first listen to Sunny Day Real Estate, I really thought they were a grunge band. And then there are emo albums that are really different in terms of sound. Not to mention, there are waves of emo that I saw on tiktok. Personally, I love emo especially Midwest emo. It's just really a confusing genre because emo bands have really different sound compare to other emo bands.
Does Mike actually know what Britpop is? I have no idea who he's referring to when he says they're pretending to be awkward outcasts or emotional manipulators.
Chris representative here to point out he also forgot Chris Rock. To save the kid representatives the effort of coming here I’ll also put in a word for Kid Rock.
glam rock isnt what you were describing, I guess you were describing glam metal but there are so many subgenres its kind of redundant. Glam rock is more of a 70s thing such as bands like Slade, Wizzard and David Bowie
I'll do a list S TIER Hard Rock ya lets just make this default S Arena - I feel like this was the better or worse the highest peak of Rock (hell, maybe music itself?) history this is the truest form of Rock as its the one that united the world, such as Queen Live Aid performance, it was sad when Rock died and went exclusively to clubs and shows A TIER Alternative - has produced some of the best rock ever but got stale and died out with the "Core Scene" Psyche - I feel like its underrated its like Stoner but actually CAN trip you out without drugs and has a feel like none other, Beatles, Tame Impala, Jefferson Airplane, Foxygen, Animal Collective, Panda Bear and much more Prog - C'mon maybe the fans are annoying but that doesn't make it C its highs are some of the best music ever, I will put it at A because I will fold in subgenres not on the list like Math and Djent, Polyphia is the most relevant rock band in the world Soft - if I wrapped with Yacht Rock its my jam, something so aspirational about thinking about drinking on a beach, sailing, flying in a fighter jet, dancing romantically, Glory of the Power of Love, people have Lo Fi Beats, well I study to Soft Rock all day B TIER Blues - slaps agreed on Funk Glam Jazz Pop Emo - White blues lol I mean I think it has its moments its definitely memorable, this is also basically covering Goth Rock I guess Punk - Its extremely played out but... meh I think its above average music, its asskicking wake up to go to work music Southern - ya low B but this has the most soul New Wave - If you ever had a Doomer phase I can tell Mike is too manly man for this shit but I like it, give me Simple Minds any time Pop Punk - Its happy music and its something everyone likes/tolerates as driving music nothing wrong with it C TIER Art Rock - can be good or bad Britpop - It had its moments but didn't age well Heartland? Rockabilly - I always wanted a girlfriend who dresses in 50s clothes and has sexy kinks but the music is just bland Post Punk - ehh its the official Millennial Genre like Sum 41 and Blink 182, you gotta jam to All The Small Things as a 32 year old mom Industrial - Stuff like NIN, Rammstein, Kraftwerk has its moments its never going to be GREAT D TIER Folk Rock - Garfunkle, Dylan, Neal Young its disgusting but Sound of Silence keeps it away from F Stoner - I appreciate it and some of King Gizz more stonery stuff but feel like its a one note boring thing Ska - One note but Superman is still one of the GOAT songs Electronic - Muse, Radiohead, its all right don't see the dogshit Surf - Its just another one note genre F TIER Dance Rock - its just post disco its pretentious cheesier than Hair Metal somehow Country Rock - screw it Acid - boring just proto-psyche Roots - ya like Toots and the Maytals its like whatever
Emo seems to be more an aesthetics/vibe kind of thing. People call all kinds of bands 'Emo'. You hear people say it about Evanescence, My Chemical Romance, Marilyn Manson, Sisters of Mercy and even Billie Eylish, which all make very different music.
Emo is a different genre than post-hardcore. Post-hardcore just became a name because had no idea how to label Refused. “Emo purists” on r/emo get mad at including “Mall Emo” like MCR just because they want to sound cooler by saying they listen to American Football.
Michael Nesmith is Country Rock. At the same time, Michael Nesmith is progressive (see The Prison among a lot of his other work. Wax Minute as another example).
E is for Effort. It's higher than an F because they actually tried, but it's still bad. Teachers stopped grading kids with E's because they would get made fun of a lot. The F kids were at least "too cool for school" whereas the E kids were just dumb.
I always found it odd to see Britpop classified as a genre, when really it was just referring to a set of bands with no connection at all, other than a period of time and a nationality. Blur and Oasis were the biggest two, and they are not remotely similar. I guess it might depend on what bands you think of. But, you should like it for one thing...an act of mercy if you will, because it stopped pop-punk gaining any kind of foothold in the UK.
Tbh potatoes are the best vegetable, they’re so versatile, fries, mashed potatoes, boiled, roasted, raw, let alone all the possible dishes you can make with it, potato salad is horrible tho
@12:48 mentions there are other great newer bands in a genre. Proceeds to give zero examples so I have no idea where to look @15:20 I agree about Hard rock but for the same reasons should blues rock not be S as well because of the sheer influence blues had over everyting including hard rock?
After your Metal subgenres tier list, I was hoping for something I had a bit more knowledge about, and being more of a Rock fan, this was it. I see a lot of things differently, I would definitely put Progressive Rock in S Tier. Fight me! 😉 Many other genres you put in C Tier, I would put in S or A Tier, but everyone has a different view.
Ska and ska rock are two different sounds. Ska is a type of jazz founded in Jamaica and is mixed with reggae. Ska rock is rock bands with a brass section and strive for a reggae beat. Streetlight Manifesto is one of these bands. There are fake ska rock bands such as No Doubt which lack the brass section.
@@ryanshinermusic Yeah, basically. Most ska-rock bands I know are really ska-punk. A quite popular rock genre in Spain and Italy for some reason, by the way. It is also often openly political.
I think Acid Rock is more just an even trippier and more aggressive Psychedelic Rock that borders on Avant Garde and Experimental. The Nile Song by Pink Floyd is much more on the lines of Acid Rock, whereas Astronomy Domine would be more generally Psychedelic Rock and also Space Rock.
Never thought I'd see Mike rank Pop Rock above Prog Rock
Surprising at first but the more I think about it the more it makes sense. Pop Rock encompasses bands like The Beatles, The Beach Boys, Weezer, Green Day, etc and when you see it through that lens it makes a lot more sense.
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If anything the latter two bring it down a lot.
@@pchavez8833 I highly doubt Green Day and weezer are what made him want to rank it above prog rock
@@Rowjimmyguitar Maybe, I was just throwing out examples. Weezer and Green Day do legitimately have good stuff though, The Blue Album, Dookie, etc.
Yes but you have to include some of each with the title of the video or it would not seem like a accurate title for the video
"Sounds like it sucks to me"
That made me laugh my ass off, not triggered or anything but knowing you said that about one of the most iconic rock songs of the 80s/90s in such a blasé fashion was quite hilarious
Jazz fusion is easily an A tier genere to me, at least. Return to forever, Brand X, Miles Davis's 70's records, Weather report, Allan Holdsworth, UK...
So many amazing artists
Pat Metheny as well.
Casiopea, Takanaka the list goes on
1000%
@@spenserphoenix Hiromi Uehara!
Absolutely! Not to mention arguably one of the greatest guitarists of all time Allan Holdsworth.
Hey Mike I know your not huge on Radiohead, however I’d love to see a Radiohead video that’s in the same vain of The Pink Floyd video. (Great video btw) it would be great to see your perspective on the whole discography. 🤘🏻
Same
Despite what people think of your opinions I watch because of your personality. You balance the humor with actual in depth criticism.
90's Depeche Mode is legitimately electronic rock
I’d love to see more of these tiers lists on other genres.
Become The Knight: "Dance Rock is in A tier"
Finn McKenty: *screams into Falling in Reverse hoodie*
And cries
Dance rock isn't real
I just thought it would be beyond interesting to see Mike and Finn do this kind of ranking TOGETHER 🤣
Both have takes i don't agree with but they sometimes seem as polar opposites... But i'm always more in agreement with Mike's takes. Finn is super entertaining to watch but he often seems to put too much emphasis on looks, fashion and culture instead of the actual music.
@@scottbulinski5450 I agree. Dance punk, like Death from Above, LCD Soundsystem, Test Icicles, and Late of the Pier, is definitely a thing, albeit, niche, but dance rock, like STRFKR, Luna Luna, and Ghostland Observatory, are more likely to be classified as electronic rock/pop rather than dance rock. The example he gave was poor too in my opinion.
He forgot Goth Rock
The Stone Roses shouldnt be mocked, they are one of the most important British bands ever
Dude has poor taste, which is typical of modern prog metal fans
@@SpiralDream Taste IS subjective, but i do think mike presents it too much as 'this is how it is and any other opinion is dogshit'.
But yeah, a healthy fist full of salt over the shoulder, as per usually with these kinds of videos, never hurts. ;)
@@Volvith When he really goes in depth, I can understand and respect his arguments, but outside of that he's not very good at saying he doesn't like something without sounding like a bit of an asshole.
Ever? Really? They’re one hit wonder
@@barry1369one album wonder but that one album is so fucking good
This reminds me of a story I heard about High Hefner back in the day. So there was a monk that snuck into the Playboy Mansion and tried to sell flowers to all the girls that were staying there to fundraise for the US Forest Service and Hefner got upset about it. After he kicked him off the property, one of the girls started crying and asked him why he did that. He said, “Sweetheart, only Hugh can prevent florist friars!”
Today I learned that ' Can't get you out of my head ' is considered Electro-Rock by Google. What the actual fuck.
Skinny Puppy was actually a heavy fire starter for Industrial music as a whole, balancing their older albums with more dark synth pop and their later albums being a mix of Industrial metal/rock. Actually a little known fact, some of the fellas from Skinny Puppy were helping with the band Ministry in their older album "Land of Rape and Honey."
Mike I actually really like your tier lists. Can you rank the maiden albums?
I always thought emo as pop punk garbage that was inspired by The Goth culture... Which is quite sickening and annoying being that i like Goth culture... Every time somebody sees a goth person or hears goth music the first thing they always yell is emo emo emo emo...🤦🏻
I feel this on so many levels. I’m not goth but a full on metalhead and people still call me emo. It’s so annoying man😭😭
I think South Park did an excellent episode about Goth and Emo culture 🤣
@@loweffortproductions1985 never seen it...was it funny
@@blackhaze8233 yes. Very funny
"We're not Emo, we're Goth!"
Industrial is definitely a genre within rock.
Nine Inch Nails has always been considered rock. Usually alternative rock or industrial.
Usually most industrial sounds like Powerman 5000. Nowadays, it’s mostly dudes trying to be like Powerman 5000 despite the fact they only play like 100-cap rooms. I’ve met a few local people who play it and it’s usually a demo who’s sort of rural but also likes raves.
Really?
Maybe because I am European but Industrial here sounds more like EDM people combining metal with DnB or Dub.
Like its still rock/metal but the focus also heavy in EDM.
I mean local bands here sound more like Mick Gordon or Blue Stahli basically making industrial video game music. I mean I know that people would label them as "electronic rock/metal" but I mean if you look definition for electronic rock/metal its literally "industrial mixed with rock" and industrial is already a mixture between rock and electronica music so... electronic rock is "rock/electronica fusion mixed with rock music" kinda stupid definition.
The trifecta of music (maybe all art/media) Fun, Authenticity, Originality. The closer to one you get you move away from the others.
It sounds like you're talking more about Glam Metal than Glam Rock. The latter is much more the lines of David Bowie, T. Rex, Sweet, Queen, Sparks, and Roxy Music. To me, that is one of the best genres of Rock because of its creativity and experimentation. It could be as glamourous as David Bowie and Roxy Music, as good-time-feeling as 10cc and T. Rex, as empowering as Sweet and Queen, as experimental as Sparks, and as Punky as The New York Dolls. There's so much ground covered in Glam Rock, and all of it just screams creativity!
And in fact, 70s glam rock didn't exactly brought back virtuosity (the guitar heroes thing and so on) to pop. It did pretty much the contrary, it brought back 50s good time rock n roll philosophy. Queen doesn't really applies as proper 70s glam in my book because they covered many other areas, some of them quite different to glam, like prog rock or the more virtuosistic side of heavy metal (Brian May was always closer to Blackmore or Eddie Van Halen than to Marc Bolan and the like). Curiously the Sweet were also a bit of a proto-metal band, but they didnt go as far.
@@MGdelOeste I agree with most of this, but Queen represented the more Artsy side of Glam Rock in their early years, in the same light as a band like Sparks. But yes, they covered a lot of ground including Heavy Metal, Progressive Rock, Glam Rock, Pop Rock, and numerous fusion genres too. When I say Glam Rock in terms of Queen, I mean Killer Queen, Seven Seas Of Rhye, Fat Bottomed Girls, Brighton Rock, Keep Yourself Alive, et cetera. You might say that none of these songs sound similar, and you'd be right! Queen were that varied in styles that even the songs in the same genre would sound very different from each other.
@@TheBlackQueen Yeeeah, I was also thinking on those songs as Glam Rock in terms of Queen. They all are catchy, relatively simpler takes on their hard rock sound (except perhaps for tunes line Killer Queen).
@@MGdelOeste Killer Queen is an example of the more artsy style of Glam Rock that was less Proto-Punky (though Queen did have some Proto-Punk elements on their debut) than their peers.
@@MGdelOeste *like prog rock or the more virtuosistic side of heavy metal (Brian May was always closer to Blackmore or Eddie Van Halen than to Marc Bolan and the like*
ummm......Van halen as metal? I personally think that they're more like hard rock than anything else.
*Curiously the Sweet were also a bit of a proto-metal band, but they didnt go as far.*
Dude. Seriously? What makes you even think that sweet are a proto-metal band?
I really needed that, haven't laughed this hard during lunch break in a bit.....
the stone roses are really cool man you should check them out
Apparently he's heard them before on Song Suggestion streams, but in that case I'm surprised he's never heard I Wanna Be Adored, one of their most famous songs
@@iliketrains3495 i get though why he wouldnt like them that much, their slow psychedelic vibe is not really his thing
Wow, who in there right mind would ever class can't get you out of my head by Kylie Minogue as Rock in any sense of the meaning, its a straight up pop song.
A Nick Cave fan, maybe 😋
All of the electronic rock results were bullshit except Sail
Yeah, definitely wikipedia doesnt know what electronic rock is.
Jazz fusion & jazz rock are different, but it’s understandable to lump them together. Bands like Chicago & Steely Dan are jazz-rock, while Mahavishnu or Weather Report are fusion.
Thank you for not shitting on blues rock, I was surprised with your ranking. I play a lot of heavy music but I enjoy playing improve blues rock or jazz on my looper pedal to “shift gears” mentally when I have writers block or want to just jam for a few minutes.
We need to get this guy on to some industrial rock
I'm sure Mike has heard NIN.
@@domri4203 Yeah but he said he thinks they’re more electronic then rock which makes me feel like he hasn’t listened to a whole lot of NIN. Downward Spiral has some straight up rock songs like March of the Pigs for example
Nin is industrial metal
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@@hastyhawkeye ministry and manson are more industrial metal, nin is easily industrial rock
I got genuinely upset when you said The Stone Roses suck
He's a cretin
Mike rates all music on the scale of “is Dream Theater” and “isn’t Dream Theater.”
Yeah that was a bad take
Please name a few bands for every genre so we know exactly what you're referring to.
Ikr 💀
I've always understood "glam rock" refers to the 70s glam movement (T Rex, Sweet, Slade, Bowie, New York Dolls, Gary Glitter, Transformer era Lou Reed, probably even Kiss and Alice Cooper...) instead of 80s "glam metal". There were 80s bands clearly influenced by proper 70s glam bands (Twisted Sister started out basically as one, Def Leppard were very influenced by them, Too Fast for Love era Motley Crue, Poison...) but there were also lots of 80s bands that were straight out hard rock, heavy metal or "AOR" groups. That doesn't mean 70s glam wasn't also a kind of catch-all term based mostly on looks, but underneath it there was a philosophy, and I think this is important. It is because in the description of the genre you said it brought back virtuosity to pop mainstream. But, actually, proper glam rock in the 70s did just the opposite: they brought back the poppy, carefree and amateur-ish side of rock n roll after the pshychedelic, prog explosion.
It is evident from what you are saying that he has little idea of what Glam Rock actually is
@@lukeizabelle2131 Well, it would suprise me he didn't know about 70s glam rock, really. Perhaps he's just more familiar with the 80s version.
jfmg95 Well, it is fair to say that Glam Rock and Glam Metal are different separated things so I don’t know how could he confuse the two things
@@lukeizabelle2131 Yeah, but I have the feeling that specially in America (where 70s glam rock wasn't as big as in the UK) this division isn't as clear cut
@@MGdelOeste You think so? Interesting🙂
I've always preferred to use the word Progressive in terms of Prog as being about the music itself Progressing on, as in changing moods and styles from one part of the song to the next. This is a big reason why Prog albums tend to connect the songs as if they were just one long song which is often interpreted as such. This way it doesn't have to stick to the idea of always pushing boundaries that have never been done before. Of course, this was both the case for older 60s and 70s Prog.
Mike, have you heard Bo Burnham's parody of Country music? It was the first thing I thought of when you explained why Country Rock was going in the F tier.
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@@henryorsomething sort of a mental typo.
Industrial is a genre that has a ton of influences so whether it’s industrial Metal, rock, or “electro industrial” (which is the definition of redundant) to me it’s all industrial music. And stuff like Fear Factory is really just Thrash Metal with some industrial influences.
Hey Mike, a tier list of classic prog rock bands would be interesting!
I don't really understand how you have art rock and prog rock so far apart. They really go hand in hand and many bands cross into both at the same time.
Jazz fusion is S tier tome because of bands like The Aristocrats, Other proyects from Guthrie like The Fellowship, Greg howe, Al Di Meola, Thundercat, Allan Holdsworth, Shawn Lane, Chick Corea or japanese bands like Casiopea and Masayoshi Takanaka and mouse on the keys. And no math rock on the list? another S tier for sure to me
Lmao seeing the electronic rock pop up with Kylie Minogue was hilarious. No that's like 2000s pop. No rock about it.
13:40 You are talking about glam metal, not about glam rock. They're different subgenres.
Bruh how is Nine Inch Nails not rock?
Aren't they just industrial music?
@@thorndust5329 industrial metal, industrial rock...
Agreed. If NIN isn't rock, or even alternative rock in some of their later releases, then that blows my fuckin mind on what they even are.
@@thorndust5329 Bands like Throbbing Gristle are industrial. NIN is "industrial rock" which is really just electronic music fused with rock guitars.
They are most definitely a sub genre of rock
While electronic rock does feel like more of a description of instruments used than an overall style of music, I feel it's legitimate, although I prefer the term 'synthrock'. I think Kasabian is a good example of an electronic rock band, although they're pretty hard to categorise; they usually get tagged 'indie rock' as a result (which I'm surprised wasn't on this tier list, although it would probably end up in the bottom two tiers). Shock rock on the other hand, hell no, that just feels like a pure aesthetic label and I can only think of like 3 artists who qualify.
Also for symphonic rock I can think of more specific songs than artists; only artists I can think of are ELO and Muse from 2009-2012. And yeah, I've never understood the difference between heartland and roots, and especially 'swamp pop/rock'.
That being said, almost all of the Google results for 'electronic rock' were straight up bullshit. Can't Get You Out of My Head is a pop and nu-disco song, the FURTHEST thing from rock, I Wanna Be Adored is indie rock and Madchester (another that could qualify for 'redundant' tier) with elements of psychedelic and dance-rock, don't know All My Friends; the only one of those that is accurate is Sail by Awolnation, but I've also seen that song tagged as 'industrial rock', which I disagree with
Mike criticizes Shock Rock, but is wearing this shirt.
Twitter is the shock rock of 2024
aight so imma need to find out where I can get that shirt, Mike.
I HIGHLY recommend that first stone roses album
You just pissed off every single British person that watches you by instantly dismissing The Stone Roses. They are an incredible band, here in Britain they are absolutely legendary and were about 5 years ahead of everyone else for what would become the popular sound of British music in the 90s.
Extremely disappointing to see you dismiss them based on the intro to their most famous song before it even starts.
Your section on Britpop didn't make any sense to me either. I have literally never gotten the vibe you described from any Britpop band. Maybe it's just because you don't know what British culture is actually like but I think you were way off on that one.
I got the feeling he didn't like them from his Describe Bands in One Sentence #3 (in which I was surprised he even knew them), but couldn't tell if he was being serious or not
Haven't watched yet, but your wrong.
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Mike can you please do a tier list for Progressive rock band and by the way I love your videos keep up the good work❤
Bro I like your channel but I urge you to do some research before dismissing stuff for the sake of having an opinion.
It seems to me that you don't know what Britpop is. It's a somewhat broad term used to describe alternative-derived but very populist rock from Britain in the mid-90s. The bands that come to mind are Oasis, Blur, Pulp, Suede, and a few other bands. None of those bands exactly radiate social outcast energy. In fact it was widely perceived as an optimistic response to American grunge. I think you must have been thinking of bands like Coldplay, Keane and any other British band that based their sound on Radiohead's mid-90s ballads.
I don't know why the Stone Roses are called electronic rock apart from songs like Fools Gold (and I'm being really loose here, it's generally seen as a dance-rock or funk-rock track). Aside from that, to dismiss a song like I Wanna Be Adored on the basis of a few seconds of the intro is like hearing the intro of Battery by Metallica and calling them a flamenco artist. They are arguably to Britpop what the Pixies were to grunge. Enormously influential band that defined the sound of the next decade of British rock.
You've confused glam metal with glam rock. Entirely different genre. Glam rock refers to early 70s artists like David Bowie, T Rex, Roxy Music and Slade. These artists were enormously influential to alternative rock and punk to come and had a gender-bending aesthetic that certainly INSPIRED Glam Metal's look but Glam Metal had a macho (and in some cases, misogynist, but anyway) undercurrent and was ridden with power ballads and hard rock anthems with guitar virtuosity inspired by EVH. Glam rock was more outwardly feminine and also, very experimental musically.
No hate, love your channel. But do a bit more research.
I thought Tony Blair and New Labour coined the term Brit Pop, along with Cool Britannia 😆
Jazz-fusion and Yacht Rock would be S-tier for me. Unparalleled genres in regards to crafting a certain feeling / atmosphere.
Soft Rock isn't really a thing because it doesn't zero in enough as a term on what makes the good stuff actually good.
Soft rock is actually a thing.
Experimental rock is Swans for example or some weird avant-garde bands.
Post punk in D??????? Bro it’s A no question. So many extremely important bands
AGREED
It's a F tier. Pop Punk bands took everything Punk had of interesting and throw it away.
@@lugarespecial No it just made it different than it already was. I love both regular punk and pop punk when it’s good
@@lugarespecialyou guys are talking about two different things.
9:12
Lol i like it despiste the vocals
It's crazy how i met one of my favs songs in this video by Mike saying "sounds like it sucks to me'
"All bow down to the church of Acid Rock"
personally i think post punk should be higher. talking heads, television, joy division, the smiths, the cure... so many important and influential bands to the indie/alt scene during that era
Jazz rock and jazz fusion are sort of different
Yeah you see that in Zappa's discography when you lisen to Apostrophe and Hot Rats you see a clear difference
Yep. For example, the first albums of Chicago are jazz rock, but surely not jazz fusion
10:40 I think Emo is a mix between Pop Punk and Metalcore, an example is from Fall Out Boy with the song Saturday when bridge comes, there’s some growls from the bassist
Was metalcore even a thing at that point?
@@iliketrains3495 if I remember correctly, by that time when FOB released Take This to Your Grave, Killswitch Engage had already one or two albums
Btw, I’m using Killswitch as an example
@@vtr_monsterextremo5145 ah okay then, I was actually thinking of Killswitch but couldn't remember when they debuted
A lot of the core (metalcore, deathcore, post hardcore) subgenres have their roots in emo. A lot of it having roots in skramz (Orchid, Pg99) as well as emo (Sunny Day, Thursday). A lot of it splintered off into their own things by the mid 2000s, but I think At The Drive In were the penultimate culmination of the styles and inspired people to take it in various directions.
I love Ska, but I knew you were going to put it there...lol. I could probably argue it up to a C, but that would require to have you listen to some 2nd wave ska. Go listen to some Scofflaws and/or The Toasters if interested. Thanks for the list!
“Sounds like it sucks to me”
Died laughing.
Listens to it for 0.5 seconds "yah that sucks"
Mike is so effing entertaining that I was 18 minutes into this video before I figured out what was printed on his hoodie/top. 😆
Apologies, bro. I just don't pay attention to your clothing.
I love that shirt, dude XD
Forgot Goth Rock and Shoegaze.
They could fit under Post-Punk and Alt Rock.
Love the video man!
Steel panther is pretty good. Ben stiller is a great guitarist
I never noticed how much he looks like Ben Stiller until you said that.
The Stone Roses are not Electronic Rock, they paved the way for The Smiths and Oasis did
I only ever heard sail on rock stations and wondered how it was rock. Guess it was too "edgy" for the pop stations? But radio stations have been pretty abysmal with their set lists for awhile. it's had to have been a good decade now since I heard someone the radio and was like "man, who's that? What song is this?" Started using YT music and between the algorithm bringing decent stuff my way and a couple channels like this, I've been stoked to finally expand the shit I listen to. Too much of same good music has been getting stale for me over the years
So you’re definitely dead wrong about industrial. It’s a mix of rock and electronic.
Industrial is a style in itself, there's also industrial pop, industrial hip-hop etc. I always interpreted it as having more aggressive electronics
@@iliketrains3495 that’s true but there’s plenty of guitar in it also. Plenty of Nine Inch Nails songs that have guitar, plenty of ministry songs that have guitar, skinny puppy, Marilyn Manson, so on and so forth
I got a Bourbon commercial for this video.... just wanted you to know.
I was wondering your opinion on Will Yip?
He has made some classics in the scene lately (Movements, Turnstile, Turnover, Citizen, Circa Survive) and his production feels very progressive (in a Pink Floyd kind of way) to me
Hard disagree on jazz rock being the same as fusion jazz; fusion jazz at its core is the electrification of modal jazz using rock, blues and funk mainly as references. Jazz rock would only be the fusion that mainly comes from rock, or uses rock as their main reference.
I don't think something like duel of the jester and the tyrant is Jazz Rock for example, because it's so much more medieval, modal and funk than it is rock, but i can't say the same for don't make waves from Brand X on the other hand.
TL;DR: every jazz rock is fusion jazz but not every fusion jazz is rock.
Jazz fusion comes from jazz, jazz-rock comes from rock.
Emo is really just a confusing genre. When I first listen to Sunny Day Real Estate, I really thought they were a grunge band. And then there are emo albums that are really different in terms of sound. Not to mention, there are waves of emo that I saw on tiktok. Personally, I love emo especially Midwest emo. It's just really a confusing genre because emo bands have really different sound compare to other emo bands.
Those "Sail" type songs can probably be considered stomp rock, I've also seen it be called stomp clap.
Mike called them 'neo rock' in another video
Excellent shirt, sir
CCR is blues rock, and the best argument for blues rock being higher.
I agree about New Wave BUT... listen to Til Tuesday and see if they get an exception. I love them.
This guy seriously said that radiohead is overrated
I guess it isn’t a become the knight video without hot takes
Cause it is
Because they are.
If you want music to fire you up, they are awful. If you want music to relax to, they are fantastic.
Does Mike actually know what Britpop is? I have no idea who he's referring to when he says they're pretending to be awkward outcasts or emotional manipulators.
I feel like that’s the case for a lot of the genres honestly.
Ay how can you forget Bob Rock
Chris representative here to point out he also forgot Chris Rock. To save the kid representatives the effort of coming here I’ll also put in a word for Kid Rock.
Industrial rock and symphonic rock is just electronic rock, and I love it, A Tier
There’s actually some really good Modern pop punk now that it’s not *the* mainstream genre
Electronic rock is awesome. 😂
I hate how anal people are about subgenres. I get you want to feel more sophisticated but it makes it really hard to find music I want to listen to.
Love the shirt!
glam rock isnt what you were describing, I guess you were describing glam metal but there are so many subgenres its kind of redundant. Glam rock is more of a 70s thing such as bands like Slade, Wizzard and David Bowie
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I'll do a list
S TIER
Hard Rock ya lets just make this default S
Arena - I feel like this was the better or worse the highest peak of Rock (hell, maybe music itself?) history this is the truest form of Rock as its the one that united the world, such as Queen Live Aid performance, it was sad when Rock died and went exclusively to clubs and shows
A TIER
Alternative - has produced some of the best rock ever but got stale and died out with the "Core Scene"
Psyche - I feel like its underrated its like Stoner but actually CAN trip you out without drugs and has a feel like none other, Beatles, Tame Impala, Jefferson Airplane, Foxygen, Animal Collective, Panda Bear and much more
Prog - C'mon maybe the fans are annoying but that doesn't make it C its highs are some of the best music ever, I will put it at A because I will fold in subgenres not on the list like Math and Djent, Polyphia is the most relevant rock band in the world
Soft - if I wrapped with Yacht Rock its my jam, something so aspirational about thinking about drinking on a beach, sailing, flying in a fighter jet, dancing romantically, Glory of the Power of Love, people have Lo Fi Beats, well I study to Soft Rock all day
B TIER
Blues - slaps agreed on Funk Glam Jazz Pop
Emo - White blues lol I mean I think it has its moments its definitely memorable, this is also basically covering Goth Rock I guess
Punk - Its extremely played out but... meh I think its above average music, its asskicking wake up to go to work music
Southern - ya low B but this has the most soul
New Wave - If you ever had a Doomer phase I can tell Mike is too manly man for this shit but I like it, give me Simple Minds any time
Pop Punk - Its happy music and its something everyone likes/tolerates as driving music nothing wrong with it
C TIER
Art Rock - can be good or bad
Britpop - It had its moments but didn't age well
Heartland?
Rockabilly - I always wanted a girlfriend who dresses in 50s clothes and has sexy kinks but the music is just bland
Post Punk - ehh its the official Millennial Genre like Sum 41 and Blink 182, you gotta jam to All The Small Things as a 32 year old mom
Industrial - Stuff like NIN, Rammstein, Kraftwerk has its moments its never going to be GREAT
D TIER
Folk Rock - Garfunkle, Dylan, Neal Young its disgusting but Sound of Silence keeps it away from F
Stoner - I appreciate it and some of King Gizz more stonery stuff but feel like its a one note boring thing
Ska - One note but Superman is still one of the GOAT songs
Electronic - Muse, Radiohead, its all right don't see the dogshit
Surf - Its just another one note genre
F TIER
Dance Rock - its just post disco its pretentious cheesier than Hair Metal somehow
Country Rock - screw it
Acid - boring just proto-psyche
Roots - ya like Toots and the Maytals its like whatever
Post-punk is stuff like Joy Division, Bauhaus, Echo & The Bunnymen, and The Smiths, not Sum 41 and Blink 182 lol
Unless I misunderstood you?
Emo seems to be more an aesthetics/vibe kind of thing. People call all kinds of bands 'Emo'. You hear people say it about Evanescence, My Chemical Romance, Marilyn Manson, Sisters of Mercy and even Billie Eylish, which all make very different music.
Emo is a different genre than post-hardcore.
Post-hardcore just became a name because had no idea how to label Refused.
“Emo purists” on r/emo get mad at including “Mall Emo” like MCR just because they want to sound cooler by saying they listen to American Football.
Didn’t see it on there, what’s your thoughts on Math Rock?
love the shirt
Michael Nesmith is Country Rock. At the same time, Michael Nesmith is progressive (see The Prison among a lot of his other work. Wax Minute as another example).
E is for Effort. It's higher than an F because they actually tried, but it's still bad. Teachers stopped grading kids with E's because they would get made fun of a lot. The F kids were at least "too cool for school" whereas the E kids were just dumb.
I always found it odd to see Britpop classified as a genre, when really it was just referring to a set of bands with no connection at all, other than a period of time and a nationality. Blur and Oasis were the biggest two, and they are not remotely similar. I guess it might depend on what bands you think of. But, you should like it for one thing...an act of mercy if you will, because it stopped pop-punk gaining any kind of foothold in the UK.
Mike really hasn't listened to as much music as I used to think huh. No offense
Heartland rock = the dog on the cover of alice in chains’ self titled album.
-Mike
Love the shirt lol....
Tbh potatoes are the best vegetable, they’re so versatile, fries, mashed potatoes, boiled, roasted, raw, let alone all the possible dishes you can make with it, potato salad is horrible tho
Is that t-shirt ironic?
@12:48 mentions there are other great newer bands in a genre. Proceeds to give zero examples so I have no idea where to look
@15:20 I agree about Hard rock but for the same reasons should blues rock not be S as well because of the sheer influence blues had over everyting including hard rock?
After your Metal subgenres tier list, I was hoping for something I had a bit more knowledge about, and being more of a Rock fan, this was it. I see a lot of things differently, I would definitely put Progressive Rock in S Tier. Fight me! 😉 Many other genres you put in C Tier, I would put in S or A Tier, but everyone has a different view.
Great shirt!
Ska and ska rock are two different sounds. Ska is a type of jazz founded in Jamaica and is mixed with reggae. Ska rock is rock bands with a brass section and strive for a reggae beat. Streetlight Manifesto is one of these bands. There are fake ska rock bands such as No Doubt which lack the brass section.
“Ska rock” means ska punk.
No Doubt was a real ska punk band. They just switched to pop real quick once they got picked up
@@ryanshinermusic Yeah, basically. Most ska-rock bands I know are really ska-punk. A quite popular rock genre in Spain and Italy for some reason, by the way. It is also often openly political.
Prog Metal fan calls Prog Rock self-indulgent. You can't make this shit up 🥴
I think Acid Rock is more just an even trippier and more aggressive Psychedelic Rock that borders on Avant Garde and Experimental.
The Nile Song by Pink Floyd is much more on the lines of Acid Rock, whereas Astronomy Domine would be more generally Psychedelic Rock and also Space Rock.
Great tier list.
Would you consider Dave Matthews Band jazz rock (jazz fusion)? I always thought their songwriting is excellent
Jam band