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  • Most metal subgenres don't need to exist.
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  • @jakepuestow4700
    @jakepuestow4700 Рік тому +1370

    The one thing we can agree on: no one hates metal more than a metalhead
    Edit: This was meant as a joke. Some of you guys are taking this way too seriously, chill

    • @raimondsstokmanis1892
      @raimondsstokmanis1892 Рік тому +55

      WHY WOULD YOU SAY SOMETHING SO CONTROVERSIAL YET SO BRAVE

    • @lred1383
      @lred1383 Рік тому +38

      Love and hate are extremely close emotions, after all. Both imply caring about something a great deal, obsessing over it, and that is a more unifying characteristic than just having a generally positive or negative outlook

    • @thinktankdetective8307
      @thinktankdetective8307 Рік тому +8

      I hate when people say things like this and act like this is a great revelation, the reason why is because if someone cares about somethings they wouldn’t want aspect of that thing to be bad. The opposite of saying this is that somebody who doesn’t care about something, probably doesn’t hate it (which is an obvious statement).

    • @williamdunnill7996
      @williamdunnill7996 Рік тому +15

      @@lred1383 very metal comment

    • @lred1383
      @lred1383 Рік тому +3

      @@williamdunnill7996 i'll take that as a compliment

  • @soloalien5
    @soloalien5 Рік тому +1233

    Im sure this video won't piss anyone off. Everyone will be satisfied and happy at the opinion of mike the music snob.

    • @lightningjimmyjoejohnson8499
      @lightningjimmyjoejohnson8499 Рік тому +24

      Yes, just like the classic rock tier list

    • @bengorman4045
      @bengorman4045 Рік тому +12

      Top 10 famous last words

    • @RockLibertyWarrior
      @RockLibertyWarrior Рік тому +24

      It is hard to watch some of his videos, sometimes I have to stop them half way through because his smugness and snobbery annoys the ever living hell out of me.

    • @jordieg-us4ee
      @jordieg-us4ee Рік тому +1

      @@RockLibertyWarrior I'm getting to this stage too, he seems to like what he likes and has no consideration or tolerance for anything outside that very small box

    • @craigusselman546
      @craigusselman546 Рік тому

      Well at least he didnt critisize nipple pinching fart metal music if he did is really be fuckin steamed!

  • @phil_k_96
    @phil_k_96 Рік тому +62

    Putting tech-death in S whilst saying he doesn't like most tech-death is peak Mike.

  • @WillmacLMCD
    @WillmacLMCD Рік тому +221

    My man just threw all the black metal in the dumpster in the first minute

    • @napo7866
      @napo7866 Рік тому +36

      I mean it all sounds the same to me to be fair

    • @philpennington826
      @philpennington826 Рік тому +23

      LOL Well most black metal bands sound like they use a dumpster for a recording studio anyway, so.....

    • @Nicolas1909_
      @Nicolas1909_ Рік тому +11

      @@napo7866 Do u listen to WankTheater per chance?

    • @Ramanahayes
      @Ramanahayes Рік тому

      Where it fucking belongs

    • @MollymaukT
      @MollymaukT Рік тому +19

      if you don't invent a new sub-sub-subgenre that only your band plays are you even a real black metal band?

  • @hellhound1836able
    @hellhound1836able Рік тому +181

    grindcore is an established genre thats about 35 years old. definitely valid imo

    • @geetarplayer3611
      @geetarplayer3611 Рік тому +11

      Goregrind too, but only carcass, every other goregrind band is kinda shit

    • @dannywilson3226
      @dannywilson3226 Рік тому +1

      Pornogrind is king 💯 like raped by elephants by torsofuck 😂 I feel like the grind genres are just garage slam bands that explicitly, metaphorically and physically, talk about whatever it is in front of the “grind” in the genre

    • @bitterman3072
      @bitterman3072 Рік тому +17

      @@geetarplayer3611 Carcass is death metal, the first two albums were goregrind and grindcore for sure but they are established as a death metal band.

    • @geetarplayer3611
      @geetarplayer3611 Рік тому +15

      @@bitterman3072 i’m talking about the first two carcass albums, after the third album they went in the death metal direction

    • @Gregbaltzer
      @Gregbaltzer Рік тому +6

      @@geetarplayer3611 Except Exhumed and Repulsion. Exhumed and Repulsion are goregrind and they are awesome.

  • @nandoxus
    @nandoxus Рік тому +332

    This video was deliberately made to be controversial, triggering and condescending.
    And it succeeded to be exactly that.

    • @burninflames
      @burninflames Рік тому +29

      It made me cringe actually.

    • @Iexecutioner
      @Iexecutioner Рік тому +3

      Nah I think it just outed him as an ignorant alcoholic crybaby

    • @npanic628
      @npanic628 Рік тому +8

      It's nothing of those things it's just stupid... I don't know who this guy is, why he has so many subscribers and if he even listens to metal... I mean a lot of those subgenres are indeed idiotically redundant but putting stuff like Melo death or old-school death metal into the trash? What? Those are the basics right after you have gotten fed up with Metallica, Iron Maiden and SOAD... Eventually you'll get into Death, CoB or Cannibal Corpse, any metalhead loves at least one of those 3... Just to name 3....... Not to speak of Wintersun, probably some of the best compositions in contemporary music as a whole - Melo death..

    • @futurebreedmachine9302
      @futurebreedmachine9302 Рік тому +1

      @@npanic628 He put Melo death in A tier.

    • @laurisaarinen1126
      @laurisaarinen1126 Рік тому +2

      For me it was just straight laughter for the first part, and "hmm that's interesting" for the rest of it. Also, apparently i have a pretty good taste, although more just those old, ground-breaking genres than much anything new. Plus most of my favorites here are the "least metal" stuff, but then again i'm not even a metalhead. I'm just a music fan in general.

  • @coffeman3575
    @coffeman3575 Рік тому +35

    Imagine ranking extreme metal generes without even knowing them

  • @stevsh89
    @stevsh89 Рік тому +63

    Throws Grunge in the F tier as not metal. Puts hardcore and post-hardcore in A tier despite both being punk sub genres.

    • @ToveriJuri
      @ToveriJuri Рік тому +4

      Punk subgenres that have heavily influenced modern metal. Well at least hardcore.

    • @tardzone5150
      @tardzone5150 Рік тому +5

      Ehh really the only cases Grunge has is Melvin's, Alice in Chains and Soundgarden

  • @jordieg-us4ee
    @jordieg-us4ee Рік тому +220

    Funk metal is 100% a thing. Surprised Mike didn't know this

    • @superstarthomas
      @superstarthomas Рік тому +3

      Isnt that's Candiria''s thing along with some Jazz?

    • @jordieg-us4ee
      @jordieg-us4ee Рік тому +35

      @@superstarthomas yeah, Rob trujillos Infectious Grooves too, & Primus etc.

    • @RyanRediger66
      @RyanRediger66 Рік тому

      Turnstile is kind of turning into this. Probably more like funky hardcore punk

    • @honeycomblord9384
      @honeycomblord9384 Рік тому +15

      You could call Faith No More funk metal, too

    • @PM-vv3uc
      @PM-vv3uc Рік тому

      @@RyanRediger66 Where does Turnstile sound like Funk Metal? lol

  • @eashanshenai4980
    @eashanshenai4980 Рік тому +49

    Mike during this whole video: "I don't like (insert genre name) a lot, but when it hits, man it hits hard!"

  • @daveataway1952
    @daveataway1952 Рік тому +654

    Glam Metal definetly deserves S Tier, since it's hilarious. On one hand you can laugh at and enjoy Steel Panther. On the other hand you can laugh at Motley Crüe failing to play their own songs live.

    • @apolodord1439
      @apolodord1439 Рік тому +55

      Mick Mars is an amazing shredder, Tommy Lee is a good drummer and Nikki is a solid bass player & great song writer. The only weak element in the band is Vince at the moment, but we all know vocalists are the first ones to show signs of aging.

    • @cristianconnolly2709
      @cristianconnolly2709 Рік тому +27

      I really dont care about their performance live now, but their studio albums have some great songs, Mick Mars is underrated when it comes to riffs.

    • @daveataway1952
      @daveataway1952 Рік тому +2

      @@cristianconnolly2709 I don't care at all about them, I occasionally listen to Saints of Los Angeles and that's it. I just wanted to do jokes, no need to argue about it :D

    • @josephstalin322
      @josephstalin322 Рік тому +19

      @@apolodord1439 nah, Vince is the best vocalists of all time, who else do you know, tho can sing in 8 languages at the same time?

    • @apolodord1439
      @apolodord1439 Рік тому +16

      @@josephstalin322 90% of black metal vocalists

  • @sonofbelz
    @sonofbelz Рік тому +114

    Man if you think Metal has a shit ton of redundancy, try going down the EDM genre rabbit hole, it's fuckin' nuts.

    • @smievil
      @smievil Рік тому +5

      what is the origin of *core music?

    • @lightningmonky7674
      @lightningmonky7674 Рік тому +9

      Probably shit like black flag where they sped up punk and made it heavier . The first good core genre was probably grind then the REALLY good stuff started coming out in the early 2000s and since hasn't showed signs of stopping, it stays fresh. Deathcore and metallic hardcore are really great nowadays. Angelmaker is a great modern deathcore band and knocked loose and world of pleasure are awesome modern metallic hardcore/metalcore bands

    • @ToveriJuri
      @ToveriJuri Рік тому

      ​@@lightningmonky7674
      Electronic music has it's own "core". Isn't EDM what the original post was about?

    • @lightningmonky7674
      @lightningmonky7674 Рік тому

      @@ToveriJuri it does, hardcore and happycore I believe

    • @bMt5553
      @bMt5553 Рік тому +4

      Happycore? I’m kind of interested to hear that now, also, that sounds like a nice name, but also also, I laughed so hard when I heard that

  • @superrookie7553
    @superrookie7553 Рік тому +193

    Tbh there should a distinction between Japanese and European Power Metal because those two are very distinct

    • @BecomeTheKnight
      @BecomeTheKnight  Рік тому +102

      YES. The 2 cultures inject their own music theory intuitions that yeild consistently audible differences.

    • @elpolitemexa2272
      @elpolitemexa2272 Рік тому +8

      Japanese is the one that sounds like a metal slug soundtrack isn't it?

    • @eldritchkaiju5829
      @eldritchkaiju5829 Рік тому +16

      US Power Metal also has its own flavor, influenced by thrash and speed metal

    • @robwalsh9843
      @robwalsh9843 Рік тому +3

      I personally like US power metal better. Manilla Road was a damn good band.

    • @eldritchkaiju5829
      @eldritchkaiju5829 Рік тому

      @@robwalsh9843 Virgin Steele as well

  • @V.F.D.DaleSalvador
    @V.F.D.DaleSalvador Рік тому +188

    I still think "Experimental" and "Progressive" are different. More so in the Outcome then the Idea itself. Something like Dream Theater: A Change Of Seasons and SWANS: She Loves Us are VERY DIFFERENT SOUNDS, despite having the "Same Thing".

    • @jovan9989
      @jovan9989 Рік тому +7

      Agreed, and it can also go into the post metal with bands like Neurosis who can arguably be in both but are neither. There are differences in ambience in the feeling of and in telling the story which is a big part of Progressive music, and i l know this is done all for entertainment but if he isn't really well versed in these genres then he shouldn't be so dissmisive.

    • @BecomeTheKnight
      @BecomeTheKnight  Рік тому +76

      That's a fair argument. I can see that on the rock side of things. In the metal world I can't think of a metal band that is experimental and not "prog" atm, but i definitely get what you mean.

    • @V.F.D.DaleSalvador
      @V.F.D.DaleSalvador Рік тому +2

      @@BecomeTheKnight How about the Melvins? I don't know a LOT about them, but I've listened to a couple albums and a bunch of random songs from others.

    • @connerstines1578
      @connerstines1578 Рік тому +9

      I generally use it for anything progressive that reaches truly inaccessible status, something like Frank Zappa or to a degree Primus, or Mr. Bungle.

    • @V.F.D.DaleSalvador
      @V.F.D.DaleSalvador Рік тому +1

      @@connerstines1578 Definitely Mr. Bungle and I can see Frank Zappa (from what little I listened to) I don't think Primus is Experimental. Especially when we're talking about Mr. Bungle, Swans, Frank Zappa (Songs like Dangerous Kitchen to be specific)

  • @nicholaslichtenberger4802
    @nicholaslichtenberger4802 Рік тому +82

    The names brutal death metal, slam, old school death metal, and dsbm are genuinely good differentiations for sub-genres

    • @sagnikdev5378
      @sagnikdev5378 Рік тому +12

      Yup, and guy includes Prog thrash and ignores prog metalcore

    • @mega_jonne1546
      @mega_jonne1546 Рік тому +1

      dsbm is 50/50 a subgenre and not

    • @vonbl3
      @vonbl3 Рік тому +10

      He rates New Wave of British Heavy Metal but removes DSBM, Brutal Death, and Grindcore, genres that are night and day apart from their godfather genre? He's either trying to be controversial on purpose or straight up ignorant. It wouldn't bother me if he was just unaware but he's talking as if those things are facts. Posing clown.

    • @Klabbity_Kloots
      @Klabbity_Kloots Рік тому +2

      If you put "Black" first, the acronym becomes "BDSM".

    • @user-gd1no3gf6d
      @user-gd1no3gf6d Рік тому +5

      @@vonbl3 honestly, it's just that Mike isnt a good source of knowledge on metal subgenres. Dude dont even understand stuff how Brutal/Slam Death, Groove Metal, Death-Doom, Funk Metal and NDH are real genres when they're known genres, it's not like they're as underground as Avant-garde / Dissonant Death Metal (which is not THAT underground too)

  • @Bemenhorst
    @Bemenhorst Рік тому +7

    How to say you have no idea about music without saying you have no idea about music

  • @AntoniZeppelin
    @AntoniZeppelin Рік тому +221

    These first 5 minutes of you trashing these genres is some of the best comedy gold I've seen in quite some time

  • @zoeykirkland1977
    @zoeykirkland1977 Рік тому +40

    Can we stop having sub genres based of lyrical concepts

  • @StarvedHorror
    @StarvedHorror Рік тому +76

    I get what you're saying, but I think Melodic Death Metal is a fair title. Early Amorphis, early In Flames, and Dark Tranquillity are very different from Cannibal Corpse. Yet, I actually think Death had some albums that did straddle the melodic line more, like The Sound of Perseverance.

    • @napo7866
      @napo7866 Рік тому +4

      Colony is one of my favorite 90s metal albums, it's honestly in opinion the best Melodic Death Metal has to offer.

    • @StarvedHorror
      @StarvedHorror Рік тому

      @@napo7866 I agree 100%

    • @Gregbaltzer
      @Gregbaltzer Рік тому

      I love Death metal, but I'm not really a fan of Melodic Death Metal.

    • @cliftonjames785
      @cliftonjames785 Рік тому

      @@napo7866 I've literally said that colony is the best melodeath album of all time. Embody the invisible, ordinary story, scorn, colony, coerced coexistence, and zombie inc are my favorite songs by in flames. Well, including only for the weak, free fall, December flower, and my sweet shadow. Their new album so far sounds more like their old stuff, and im glad but nothing beats the era of colony and clayman

    • @daveataway1952
      @daveataway1952 Рік тому

      I really like the Rise of the Tyrant-Album by Arch Enemy

  • @31luckispucki10
    @31luckispucki10 Рік тому +291

    When it comes to "Progressive" vs. "Experimental" I usually think about it like this: Progressive Metal is when, like you said in your Finn McKenty video, you have Metal that tries to push the genre forward and actually achieves that goal. Something that actually brings something new to the table which is then partially adopted by the rest of the genre (aka it progresses it). Experimental Metal meanwhile is just when someone makes metal with some weird, uncommon shit that you would call experimental, but doesn’t actually impact the genre as a whole. So "Progressive" is when metal is expanded upon, brought to new heights and is actually changed on some scale, while "Experimental" is just Metal with weird shit thrown in (Differentiating between "Experimental" and "Avantgarde" still doesn’t make any sense to me though).

    • @BecomeTheKnight
      @BecomeTheKnight  Рік тому +110

      That's a good defense

    • @Yenneffer
      @Yenneffer Рік тому +25

      That's a really good explanation. Progressive metal takes what we have, builds upon it and pushes it in a new direction (and also inevitably lumps in any bands that follow in that direction, even though they're not really progressive themselves). Experimental often kind of abandons any prior structures and does whatever random BS... with very varying levels of success lol. And avantgarde is probably just a fancy way of saying experimental.

    • @briansullivan3424
      @briansullivan3424 Рік тому +16

      I have always associated "progressive" with technique and composition, usually focused on odd time signatures, shifting tonal centers (but usually still modal or scale-based in some fashion), and virtuosic playing. Experimental I have associated with orchestration and production. Introducing weird instruments, leveraging atmospheric effects. Players can be technical in experimental, but not a requirement. And atonality is far more common... that being said, I can't think of any discernable difference between "experimental" and "avant-garde", other than the intent of the artist. People who think of their music as "experimental" intend to get people to "think" about something new, while people who think of their music as "avant-garde" intend to get people to "feel" something on a more artistic level. I agree with Mike though... the final product of experimental and avant-garde music is about the same, but I think progressive music is distinctly different.

    • @Bodge18
      @Bodge18 Рік тому +7

      When I think avant-garde, I think of experimental music with a high level of inaccessibility. So all avant-garde music is experimental, but not all experimental music is avant-garde.

    • @nu-metalfan2654
      @nu-metalfan2654 Рік тому +5

      @LucasPMN. Prog = a Scientist. Experimental/Avant Garde = a Painter/Artist

  • @EmperorTigerstar
    @EmperorTigerstar Рік тому +214

    Also, 6:10 - Blackgaze is definitely its own genre because it is a fusion of black metal and shoegaze music. It actually does have a reason to stand as its own genre.

    • @ZauTa
      @ZauTa Рік тому +16

      it's part of post-black-metal

    • @EzioMonty117
      @EzioMonty117 Рік тому +13

      Agreed. I don't particularly care for blackgaze but there are enough bands in the genre and enough distinct characteristics to make it worthwhile on its own

    • @thess6327
      @thess6327 Рік тому +4

      Lol Tigerstar's here

    • @michaelberresford4291
      @michaelberresford4291 Рік тому +1

      Wtf is shoegaze!!?

    • @ZauTa
      @ZauTa Рік тому

      @@michaelberresford4291 ua-cam.com/video/85c-P9hbmBg/v-deo.html

  • @WattPheasant
    @WattPheasant Рік тому +179

    The moment when you realize you know more about metal subgenres than Mike does.

    • @chr15tune56
      @chr15tune56 Рік тому +26

      Why isn't slamming brutal blackened experimental death core metal on the list??

    • @adaef69
      @adaef69 Рік тому +2

      well i mean the guy is literally blinded by a corporate image of metal. he literally thinks ffdp sound good. if you have an admiration of that sound like 70% of good metal is just locked for you. also why are you a watt player what is wrong with you

    • @youreokayboah2128
      @youreokayboah2128 10 місяців тому +13

      I cringed hard when he said funk metal probably doesn’t exist. Like WTF

    • @Shiljamannn
      @Shiljamannn 10 місяців тому +9

      Most of them are crap... I would put even more in that shouldn't "exist" category... Just because a band is more technical, or melodic, doesn't mean they need a sub-subgenre to describe them... I mean original heavy metal has melodies, and all other main subgenres has some kind of melodies... Because melody is a part of any music genre... Only boneheaded metalheads try to flex with all this descriptions and make it distinct... What makes a band distinct from others is style, not the near infinite iterration of Sub- subgenre....

    • @xaphan8581
      @xaphan8581 8 місяців тому +3

      @@youreokayboah2128 if funk metal does exist they should shoot it in the face and put it to rest

  • @sputhoor96
    @sputhoor96 Рік тому +31

    These subgenres exist so that you can explore more bands with similar music. For example when I discovered early carcass, thanks to it being classified as "grindcore" I could check out other similar bands such as napalm death, terrorizer, impetigo, general surgery just to name a few. Also when I listened to cryptopsy, I was intrigued to listen to more of this subgenre called "brutal death metal".
    Sometimes it helps you to stay away from certain genres. When I listened to sunbather by deafhaven, I knew I had to distance myself from "blackgaze"

  • @GaminRobot
    @GaminRobot Рік тому +90

    Brutal death metal is very much a real genre, people who aren’t really into death metal just dismiss it

    • @buttermybuns9529
      @buttermybuns9529 Рік тому +31

      Yeap. There’s a huge difference between Old school death metal and brutal death metal.

    • @Rooster84
      @Rooster84 Рік тому +5

      @@buttermybuns9529 yeah, autopsy and mortician, while still technically being death metal, have very little in common and need to be differentiated from each other.

    • @newgothwhosdis
      @newgothwhosdis Рік тому +8

      Listen to cannibal corpse
      Then listen to analepsy

    • @cliftonjames785
      @cliftonjames785 Рік тому +2

      I dont really like brutal death metal, im more into melodeath but even I understand how important death metal was to the whole genre. It helped shaped a lot of my favorite metal bands and genres

    • @dr.juerdotitsgo5119
      @dr.juerdotitsgo5119 Рік тому +7

      "1st wave Black Metal" / "2nd wave Black Metal" may sound stupid, but a band like Marduk sounds NOTHING like, say, Celtic Frost. Totally valid distinction. "Brutal Death Metal" is a different story, since the title itself is redundant (and stupid), regardless of how more extreme Cryptopsy is if compared to Obituary; they just have different styles, which you should expect.

  • @ZauTa
    @ZauTa Рік тому +87

    sub-sub genres are useful imo. Take doom metal for instance, someone who likes Candlemass, Solitude Aeturnus, Procession, and Crypt sermon (epic doom bands) might not like Thergothon, Skepticism, Bell Witch, or Shape of Despair (funeral doom bands). and fans of either of those genres might not like Sleep, Electric Wizard, Witchthroat Serpent, Weedeater, or bongzilla. these groups have very little in common besides being slow to mid tempo metal, but inside the groups they share influences and musical style

    • @snow15243
      @snow15243 Рік тому +9

      Agreed.

    • @machinismus
      @machinismus Рік тому +14

      I know right? Sometimes I'm just in the mood for a really specific sound and niche subgenre classifications are useful for discovering new bands.

    • @mr.echo24
      @mr.echo24 Рік тому +1

      I love Candlemas but I also very much enjoy My Dying Bride and bands like that. But I get what you're saying for sure.

    • @robwalsh9843
      @robwalsh9843 Рік тому +5

      You also have sludge bands like Buzzoven, Eyehategod, Crowbar, etc. Music that's much nastier, filthier and has more of a hardcore punk vibe. It's basically all descended from Black Sabbath, but there are variations. This is why I disliked Finn McKenty's recent video on stoner and doom metal. He didn't bother doing any research.

    • @mr.echo24
      @mr.echo24 Рік тому

      @@robwalsh9843 Is Melvins sludge?

  • @akephalos438
    @akephalos438 Рік тому +29

    DSBM is actually a real thing and is a fairly different sound from regular black metal. Xasthur is a great place to start. And DSBM is actually more widely used to describe the form of black metal that you referred to as 'atmospheric black metal'

  • @EmperorTigerstar
    @EmperorTigerstar Рік тому +172

    3:35 Heavy Metal is the first version of metal music and the most straight forward (Black Sabbath as an example) Proto metal would be before metal and has elements that would later become essential to metal but is still not metal. (Examples including bands like Deep Purple or a few Zeppelin or ACDC songs).

    • @napstatem8148
      @napstatem8148 Рік тому +4

      I love you

    • @texangem
      @texangem Рік тому +8

      wow i didnt expect you here lol

    • @laremare
      @laremare Рік тому +9

      Proto metal would also include some Hendrix and Cream songs, and Born to Be Wild by Steppenwolf is pretty much THE proto metal song (even includes "heavy metal" in the lyrics).

    • @elpolitemexa2272
      @elpolitemexa2272 Рік тому +12

      That's just hard rock

    • @nemesis8626
      @nemesis8626 Рік тому +1

      So classic rock then those bands you just said are rock bands so why label proto metal? It's nonsensicle

  • @Stissel
    @Stissel Рік тому +58

    "Neue Deutsche Härte" is german and would word for word translate to "new german hardness", which sounds completely rediciolous, but one could argue in favor of it beeing its own genre. The most prominent example for this genre is Rammstein, who also defined the genre and its sound. Now I get the argument that language and region/country of origin shouldn't be the only indicator of a new subgenre, but I think that Rammsteins sound slightly differs from "normal" Metal due to the synth, the "spookyness", the vocalstyle that many in that genre try to replicate from Till Lindemann, and (trust me) the lyrics. So imo, it should be somewhere on the list.
    But as always, great Video. You trashtalking a bunch of genres in the beginning is honestly one of the funniest things I have seen recently.

    • @superstarthomas
      @superstarthomas Рік тому +9

      To be far Oomph! was the first inspiration for that style, Rammstein just became the most popular of that genre. It's manly industrial metal and rock but in German so in a way just industrial metal. It's also sometimes called Tanzmetal (Dance metal) which makes since and fits well with Rammstein's Herzeleid and Sehnsucht albums.

    • @nemesis8626
      @nemesis8626 Рік тому +4

      Rammstein are industrial metal

    • @ptwkk
      @ptwkk Рік тому +3

      @@nemesis8626 Rammstein don't really have a whole lot in common with industrial music. The electronics Rammstein incorporate come more from NDW and eurodance than anything industrial, hence why NDH is it's own genre

    • @PM-vv3uc
      @PM-vv3uc Рік тому +3

      @@ptwkk Depeche Mode was also a huge influence for them so I'd say it's a mixture of new wave and the new electronic music from the 90s

    • @florianstumpf4349
      @florianstumpf4349 Рік тому

      Gut zusammengefasst 👍

  • @Br00tz966
    @Br00tz966 Рік тому +86

    Wild how "Mike The Music Snob" knows so little about several entirely valid metal subgenres. You don't get to be a snob If you're not informed.

  • @rkochamp07
    @rkochamp07 Рік тому +20

    The Versailles shoutout was a welcome surprise. Theyre definitely under looked and underrated. Hizaki does what he does flawlessly on the guitar. And Kamijo definitely has a unique and epic voice

  • @dauls
    @dauls Рік тому +22

    I am the Stoner/Doom fan and I understand why people do not like it, but it is my favorite genre and that has not changed for 10+ years so its not just a phase. Great vid

  • @abcdefghier
    @abcdefghier Рік тому +33

    Progressive metal is about the song structure, experimental metal is when someone decides to add some bongo drums or some weird shit, avant-garde is heavily experimental music which pushes the boundaries of the genre. All of these genres have reasons to exist, even if they overlap sometimes.

    • @vonbl3
      @vonbl3 Рік тому +7

      Don't bother. He doesn't have a clue yet speaks as if he's some sort of sophisticated music critic.

    • @Princebabayaga
      @Princebabayaga 10 місяців тому

      Overlap 95% of the time*

    • @vishalnagaraj5343
      @vishalnagaraj5343 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@@Princebabayagawaaw bro I feel like it's 50% or less. Fates Warning, Queensryche, Obscura, Voivod, Gojira, Coroner, Vektor, Be'lakor, Mastodon, aren't experimental at all

  • @kolokolo9889
    @kolokolo9889 Рік тому +29

    13:56 what you described here is basically blackgaze, it literally has “gaze” in it, so blackgaze shouldn’t be in the “should exist”. Post-black metal is actually closer to “shouldn’t exist” category than blackgaze. I also think that 1st and 2nd wave black metal are helpful definitions, even if you consider 1st wave to be thrash, then 2nd wave is definitely a distinctive style/movement. Also experimental/avant-grade metal fits as a subgenre for bands like Igorrr.

    • @SuperMetalmeltdown
      @SuperMetalmeltdown Рік тому +2

      Post-black metal is more useful as a political distinction if anything else. A lot of post-black metal bands tie in their 2nd wave black metal influences with new ideas and discard a lot of the political and ideological baggage that plagues the very first incarnations of the genre.
      It of course is a very fine thread to follow, but it does feel distinct enough from blackgaze. You could replace "post" with "modern" or "new" since it implies a schism between both movements.

    • @regularrandom6045
      @regularrandom6045 Рік тому

      "I want some nutsack twisted fuck to tell me that I'm wrong for doing this"

  • @heethanthen
    @heethanthen Рік тому +29

    I’ve seen flatearthers who understand science better than you understand metal.

    • @michaels7159
      @michaels7159 Рік тому +2

      Agreed. Holy shit this guy's tier lists are always a dumpster fire.

    • @futurebreedmachine9302
      @futurebreedmachine9302 Рік тому

      @@michaels7159 I am hoping he does a redemption tier list, just like he did one for the classic rock bands.

  • @hudsonbarth5641
    @hudsonbarth5641 Рік тому +246

    Mike, I love you, and I agree that a lot of the names you tossed out were redundant (like Experimental Metal), but the first part of this video demonstrated a lot of ignorance to the heavier subgenres. Brutal death metal for example actually has a very well-defined sound, as do many of the other labels that were instantly cast out. I'm not knocking you, I respect your musical opinion greatly, I just don't think you are familiar enough with a lot of that music to make those calls accurately.

    • @snow15243
      @snow15243 Рік тому +33

      Yea same for 1st/2nd wave black metal and some of the doom metal subgenres, Like SUNN O)))) (a drone doom band) sounds VERY DIFFERENT from a traditional doom band like pentagram, or a regular doom band like Warning or Pallbearer.

    • @alexistaylor9092
      @alexistaylor9092 Рік тому +7

      Yeah because I love Technical Death Metal, I'm ok with Symphonic Death Metal, I can listen to normal Death Metal sometimes, and I never need to listen to Brutal Death Metal. I think that distinction, for me, justifies the delineation in sub-genres. But I get where Mike's coming from, because Brutal Death Metal is rather similar to Death Metal, in that it's going for the same thing mostly, just harder.

    • @zackl5047
      @zackl5047 Рік тому +49

      @@snow15243 for someone who calls himself a "metal snob" he really has no clue what he's talking about on a broad scale. Same argument for everything he doesn't like either he glosses over it because it's "production is bad" or "they don't know hoW tO CoMpOsE .... rrrrrgh TaMbErS".

    • @Celatra
      @Celatra Рік тому

      @@alexistaylor9092 well.. isn't that thrash metal to heavy metal? isn't that death metal to thrash metal?

    • @kierankck
      @kierankck Рік тому +4

      Yea dsbm is a lot different than normal black metal.

  • @Consolous
    @Consolous Рік тому +44

    Glam metal being S tier just felt so right. It is so much fun and so easy to enjoy, but surprisingly, some amazing musicianship from many of those bands

    • @anthonyrowland9072
      @anthonyrowland9072 Рік тому +3

      glam and nwobhm just having fun in jean jackets while all other sub genres are miserable...

  • @huliobeebop
    @huliobeebop Рік тому +14

    Anyone disappointed that he didn’t rank “Symphonic post-apocalyptic reindeer-grinding christ-abusing extreme war pagan fennoscandian metal” in this list?

  • @christiantodor9128
    @christiantodor9128 Рік тому +23

    In defense of "Avant-garde" vs "Progressive", compare Mr. Bungle's Self-Titled and Tool's Lateralus. The latter is experiemntal but still (in a way) sticks to the fundamentals of writing a song, whereas the former throws that out the window and says "we'll do whatever crazy shit we want." Or, at least that's how I see it anyway

    • @toprak3479
      @toprak3479 Рік тому

      He needs to listen to some Bungle if he thinks prog and avantgarde don't deserve different names.

    • @BungleGrindClown
      @BungleGrindClown 11 місяців тому +1

      Glad someone mentioned Mr. Bungle, Patton’s bands are in general great and he creates avant-garde music. Seeing Mr. Bungle and The Melvins in May.

  • @bassrocks4419
    @bassrocks4419 Рік тому +12

    Omen and Manilla Road are actually great bands. Omen’s debut album Battle Cry is one of my favorite metal albums of all time. Manilla Road took me a little longer to truly appreciate cause Mark Shelton’s voice is a little bit nasally, but they’ve slowly become another one of my favorite metal bands.

  • @KilroyWasHere83
    @KilroyWasHere83 Рік тому +11

    Can't forget about our very own Neoclassical AC/DC, DON'T EVER DRINK THE KOOLAID

  • @Rowjimmyguitar
    @Rowjimmyguitar Рік тому +35

    Death doom is valid to me, death metal and doom metal are pretty different so combining elements of the two creates a unique sound

    • @BecomeTheKnight
      @BecomeTheKnight  Рік тому

      How many bands?

    • @LurchyScott
      @LurchyScott Рік тому +41

      @@BecomeTheKnight Paradise Lost, Anathema and Amorphis are considered 3 of the pioneers of the genre. Then you have Katatonia (their earlier stuff), Swallow The Sun, Draconian, November's Doom, My Dying Bride, Hooded Menace, October Tide as probably the more popular bands of the genre. There are a shit ton of death/doom bands but they are pretty underground. Swallow The Sun, Draconian, My Dying Bride and Paradise Lost are probably the 4 most popular bands within death/doom.
      I edited it because well....my spelling was fucking horrendous.

    • @TallicaMan1986
      @TallicaMan1986 Рік тому +3

      @@LurchyScott There's also an early 90s band called Sorrow with an album called Human Error. Paradise Lost's first album kicks ass.

    • @LurchyScott
      @LurchyScott Рік тому +4

      @@TallicaMan1986 I was just mostly naming off the more popular bands with the sub-genre. There is a lot of bands within death/doom but they aren't extremely popular. Hanging Garden is another death/doom band I didn't mention but that's only because they aren't as popular as the ones I've already mentioned (at least not from what I gather anyways).

    • @napo7866
      @napo7866 Рік тому

      Death Doom does have enough bands to be categorized and it's reasonably decent but honestly I just give so few fucks.

  • @adamwheelerproductions1607
    @adamwheelerproductions1607 6 місяців тому +2

    My palm went straight through my face when he said funk metal isn't a thing.

  • @kindohein
    @kindohein Рік тому +10

    Glad you put my favorite genre at A (melodeath)! I got a little nervous when they first got mentioned while doing "Shouldn't Exist" but I completely agree with you on the name. It is kind of stupid but you sort of get what it means. Most of my favorite bands are in this category (Mercenary, Soilwork, Scar Symmetry, etc)

  • @mitch5300
    @mitch5300 Рік тому +10

    War metal is definitely its own subgenre, as it combines the lofi and riffs of black metal with the pacing, riffs, and vocals from either death and somewhat speed (chaotic sound)

    • @MrHamtits
      @MrHamtits 29 днів тому

      Wouldn't expect much from a guy that rates melodic death as highly as he does

  • @beyris
    @beyris Рік тому +8

    Proto-Metal refers more to very early bands like Black Sabbath, Budgie and the like which are usually referred to as Heavy Metal, but have a different, more blues-influenced style to what is usually referred to as Heavy Metal, which also takes influence from bands like Judas Priest and Motörhead.

  • @DjImpossibility
    @DjImpossibility Рік тому +7

    I am at the same time extremely entertained and extremely pissed off. Thank you, good sir!

  • @fuckwad2024
    @fuckwad2024 Рік тому +11

    “Groove Metal” is one of my favorite subgenres, but I like your re-definition of it. Makes more sense, I don’t agree with the production issue however. I think that you’re probably more knowledgable, but I find myself enjoying the mixes in the sub-genre more than I would most others

    • @zaynes5094
      @zaynes5094 Рік тому +2

      @Rener Abano And here I am the seemingly lone Gothic metal lover. An ex girlfriend and my best friend Jacob got me into that subgenre and I haven't been able to stop falling deeper in and finding hidden gems in the subgenres. I don't know what Mike was talking about with Gothic Metal, but there are quite a lot of Gothic metal bands that are quite heavy and have some seriously dark and heavy riffs.

  • @hellhound1836able
    @hellhound1836able Рік тому +8

    homie just said sepultura sounded like american metal

  • @pizzaboynizza1
    @pizzaboynizza1 Рік тому +9

    As somebody that considers proto-metal one of their favorite genres, I’d actually consider it the weird mix of psychedelic, acid, and blues rock with extremely distorted that occurred in the late sixties, arguably even Black Sabbath’s first album. Paranoid is a good starting point for actual Heavy Metal.

  • @valland9075
    @valland9075 Рік тому +5

    Mike pretty much admitted that he has no idea whatsoever about what he's barking about

  • @Kripsas
    @Kripsas Рік тому +5

    Regarding the 1st wave of black metal and the 2nd wave of black metal is that first wave is basically thrash metal but with a lo-fi sound (great examples would be Sodom - In the Sign of Evil and Bathory Debut Album). 2nd is the ones that everybody knows (Mayhem, Darkthrone, Emperor, Burzum and etc.). I understand that at labeling them seems redundant, but musically they are very different.

  • @hannahkozlovic1715
    @hannahkozlovic1715 Рік тому +125

    I can’t believe you don’t think Slavic post-blackened two-tone ska infused progressive slamming stinky shrimpcore is a real genre, unsubscribed.
    (Also, I think folk metal is a lot more diverse of a genre than you’re giving it credit before. Folk elements are infused into pretty much any other subgenre of metal, and black metal is just one of them as opposed to the full array of bands in the genre, hence the distinction with folk black metal. Personally I find folk metal from foreign countries the most interesting and the most worthwhile, since a lot of interest and creativity can be had out of putting the song structures, conventions, and instruments from the traditional folk music of a country into a style of metal.)

    • @brauliodiaz3925
      @brauliodiaz3925 Рік тому +3

      It's kind of ridiculous. If you add any folk instrument into your metal composition it immediately gets tagged 'folk'. Indian metal, and scandavian metal are worlds apart, but are still considered ''folk metal''. Meanwhile you get a band like Behemoth which play a more polished modern style of black metal and immediately they get a new sub-genre for them and their copycats. They are black metal.

    • @EbizzerHH
      @EbizzerHH Рік тому

      Slavic post-blackened two-tone ska infused progressive slamming stinky shrimpcore... that shit is a thing... I am sure! ^^

    • @Divig
      @Divig Рік тому +5

      This.
      Noone would describe the Hu, Bloodywood, Myrath or Týr as any kind of black metal. (It's honestly strange that they counts as the same genre at all)
      That said, even if it is one of my go-to genres it is so incredibly hit and miss that the ranking is probably spot on.

    • @hannahkozlovic1715
      @hannahkozlovic1715 Рік тому +2

      @@brauliodiaz3925 Agreed, it is a pretty vast genre which is why I thought I would mention that it’s more broad and varied than he gave it credit for. While styles of folk music from various cultures bear little no resemblance to each other, I think it’s interesting to have a genre with such a loose definition that can fit so much good material. I think that’s kind of the point that was supposed to be made in this video; why would it make sense to have a thousand separate genres of metal each being specified and categorized by its connection to one particular culture, when you can safely put them into one eclectic genre that they all technically fit into?

    • @hannahkozlovic1715
      @hannahkozlovic1715 Рік тому +1

      @@Divig Yeah, I agree on the ranking despite folk metal of various styles and derivatives being one of my absolute favourite genres. There’s some absolute gold in the genre though

  • @1GuyGaming
    @1GuyGaming Рік тому +10

    Experimental Metal vs. Progressive Metal
    What's funny is some genres have multiple names that mean the same genre. According to what I've read, progressive metal has a lot of shifts in tempo, complex riffs / time signatures, and influences from other genres such as classical music. The most important quality of progressive metal imo, is the time signature changing almost constantly throughout the songs. Experimental metal is meant to sound like if WTF was a genre. It has weird, jarring sounds from the vocalist as well as the instruments.

  • @HeroSword_P
    @HeroSword_P Рік тому +48

    Just because you think all Black Metal sounds the same doesn’t mean DSBM isn't its own distinct genre, it's one of the biggest subgenres of BM as a matter of fact. I don't even like it and I know that for a fact, seen it in abundance for so many years.

    • @BecomeTheKnight
      @BecomeTheKnight  Рік тому +12

      Ok....but does it NEED to be it's own distinct genre? What purpose does it serve?

    • @heethanthen
      @heethanthen Рік тому +29

      @@BecomeTheKnight Genres are descriptive, not prescriptive.
      A certain set of bands were the fountainhead of a certain distinct tonal and lyrical niche of black metal that many would follow suit in.
      You mentioned taxonomy.
      Think of it like an allopatric speciation event in the black metal genre that slowly and steady gained more distinctions of its own.

    • @zairebrandon9062
      @zairebrandon9062 Рік тому

      @@heethanthen 🥱😴

    • @ThatFantasyPenguin
      @ThatFantasyPenguin Рік тому +2

      It's the biggest which means it's full of talentless hacks

    • @SuperMetalmeltdown
      @SuperMetalmeltdown Рік тому +1

      @@BecomeTheKnight Black Metal is a lot more politcally motivated that other genres. I mean, we're talking going as far as murder!
      As such, a band presenting itself as NSBM, RABM, DSBM, Unblack Metal, etc is a distinction not so much in terms of "music" (even tho most RABM is far more crust influenced) but in terms what the band represents, who they want to be associated with, who do they want their music to be heard alongside, who they wanna play with and for whom, etc.
      Yes, of course there is a wide variety of ideologies in any music genre (Nazi punks fuck off) but Black Metal in particular has had people that went from "thought" to "action".

  • @solinvictus2132
    @solinvictus2132 Рік тому +11

    Funk Metal is indeed a thing, though I don't know any full funk Metal albums or funk Metal bands, you can pick out songs where funk Metal would be a good label for it

    • @Lancelot30
      @Lancelot30 Рік тому +4

      Incubus’s SCIENCE is literally Funk Metal all the way through. I l don’t think you can categorize it as anything else. It’s definitely a thing.

    • @solinvictus2132
      @solinvictus2132 Рік тому +2

      @A bird that's filled with rage oh shit can't believe I forgot about them, and I'd say some of Faith No Mores catalog falls into this category too

    • @EzioMonty117
      @EzioMonty117 Рік тому +3

      Extreme, Incubus, Faith No More, early RHCP, the first Mr Bungle album and Living Colour are all examples of funk metal so yeah it's definitely a thing

  • @apolodord1439
    @apolodord1439 Рік тому +5

    Props for the Glam Metal in S tier! 🔥

  • @1krani
    @1krani Рік тому +37

    Proto-Metal is like "Helter Skelter" and "Revolution" by The Beatles, or "Man On the Silver Mountain" by Rainbow. They're rock songs which carry the early hallmarks of what would later become commonly associated with metal or one of its early subgenres. It's basically metal that is still in the cocoon, half-transformed from rock but with the distinct appendages visibly forming.

    • @MidnightAvalon
      @MidnightAvalon Рік тому +6

      So this is my question with proto metal. Where does it end? Is Rite of Spring proto metal because that piece sounds like Periphery, or what about Toccata and Fugue in D Minor, that piece carries a lot of what metal does, or even things like the third movement of the Moonlight Sonata?

    • @1krani
      @1krani Рік тому +3

      @@MidnightAvalon
      For me, proto-metal ends when songs embraced ALL of the hallmarks. Helter Skelter has the high energy and distorted guitar shredding, but not the lyrics (it's about a carnival slide).
      Revolution sort of has the lyrics and definitely the distortion, but the energy is more bluesy than rock 'n' roll, never mind metal.
      Man On the Silver Mountain also has the lyrics and distortion but is once against lacking the energy.
      A lot of AC/DC could be classified as proto-metal, for their songs had the energy and the distortion but the lyrical matter was often rather benign compared to singing about religious massacres or orbiting surveillance robo-falcons.
      In essence, proto-metal stopped being a thing around 1980 by my estimation, when the hallmarks were embraced and those bands seeking to separate themselves from the recently arrived British newcomers returned to a more pop-oriented sound akin to the first half of the Beatles' music.

    • @ilhamakbar5482
      @ilhamakbar5482 Рік тому +2

      @@1krani tbh Man on the Silver Mountain is a poor choice for Rainbow, you could've chose something like Kill the King or A Light in the Black

    • @1krani
      @1krani Рік тому

      @@ilhamakbar5482
      For proto-metal or for good songs?

    • @ilhamakbar5482
      @ilhamakbar5482 Рік тому +1

      @@1krani for proto-metal, Silver Mountain is a great song but doesnt fit the 'proto-metal' genre imo

  • @MetalTrenches
    @MetalTrenches Рік тому +12

    I can’t imagine throwing out melodic death metal in particular considering it’s a very specific genre generally referring to bands born out of the Gothenburg scene of the late 90’s (At The Gates, In Flames, Soilwork, Arch Enemy, Dark Tranquillity, etc.) I get you on experimental vs avant-garde, but a lot of these ARE actual genres. Just my two cents

  • @boyarbeloved
    @boyarbeloved 9 місяців тому +4

    This feels like rage-bait, but I’m not sure he’s self aware enough for that.

  • @jtgjr007
    @jtgjr007 Рік тому

    A great follow up video might be giving a few examples of bands for each category in the tier list so we have a place to start looking for new things to listen outside of our comfort zone. Great Video man!

  • @HeadbangingGlory
    @HeadbangingGlory Рік тому +4

    This guy has such a caveman opinion of every sub genre he placed in the F and Shouldn’t exist category. There’s so many good bands in each of those sub genres and gives off vibes that he wouldn’t be open minded to try to listen to any of it.

  • @lightningmonky7674
    @lightningmonky7674 Рік тому +1

    I'm loving the love you gave to the core genres, especially for a snob!

  • @ben_derisgreat9824
    @ben_derisgreat9824 Рік тому +43

    Proto-metal is an overlap genre that technically isn’t even metal. Stuff like Blue Oyster Cult, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple. Stuff that is debatably the thing that directly helped create metal. Please don’t kill me.

    • @mr.echo24
      @mr.echo24 Рік тому +2

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @aaronvalere3832
      @aaronvalere3832 Рік тому +7

      So, hard Rock then.

    • @ben_derisgreat9824
      @ben_derisgreat9824 Рік тому +10

      @@aaronvalere3832 essentially. Just hard rock ranging from the late 60s to early 70s. Stuff that influenced metal. That’s why I said it’s an overlap genre.

    • @caidenneumann7107
      @caidenneumann7107 Рік тому +5

      A couple Beatles songs might fit in the category too

    • @sushio4357
      @sushio4357 Рік тому

      "please don't kill me" xD

  • @TheBlackQueen
    @TheBlackQueen Рік тому +6

    The difference between Experimental and Progressive is that Progressive music experiments with the structure of music's compositional boundaries, whereas Experimental deals with the boundaries of the concept of music as a whole, which often treads the line of whether it even qualifies as music or not.
    Revolution 9 is by no means a Progressive song, but it is 100% Experimental because it tests the boundaries of what is considered Music.

  • @Ryo_777
    @Ryo_777 Рік тому +17

    Even more lo-fi please 😂 I remember making up sub genres with my old band that were written down. Wonder if it's still laying around somewhere.

    • @vonbl3
      @vonbl3 Рік тому

      You don't google out genres if wanna find shit about them. Obv. google will just throw out some stupid describtion of any genre really. But I won't bother, you seem like you agree with the clown dancing in the video so I'll walk away. Good day sir!

  • @user-ol7bt4wp1j
    @user-ol7bt4wp1j Рік тому +30

    Proto metal basically is all the stuff that wasn’t sabbath but was near what they did
    It’s basically just early 70’s hard rock that was really heavy almost metal
    Which is basically just Led Zeppelin, Deep purple, Scorpions, Judas Priest, Hendrix and a few others i can’t right now think off to name

    • @GonerWind
      @GonerWind Рік тому +2

      @@dragonballfanscantread2383 I'd argue their debut is more like hard rock

    • @raiden3295
      @raiden3295 Рік тому

      @@dragonballfanscantread2383 I'm pretty sure their early stuff was hard rock, I can't imagine someone listening to "Breaking the Law" and calling it a heavy metal song.

    • @Delaecress
      @Delaecress Рік тому

      Queen’s Stone Cold Crazy?

  • @abrielrobertsson4160
    @abrielrobertsson4160 Рік тому +3

    Honestly, I agree with you discarding most of them. That divison is purely based on lyricism. If I make a black metal song singing about my mom, now suddenly it's motherly black metal? Eff no, it's still black metal. Melodic death metal? Still death metal, etc. People spew genres out of their ass in metal.

  • @NickWebbSax
    @NickWebbSax Рік тому +1

    Great idea for a video - and I completely agree that most of these genres don't need to exist and are used by people who want to gatekeep metal and argue what is or isn't 'metal'.
    Proto-metal I'd call lots of those 60s/70s bands that introduced building blocks of metal - Kinks You Really Got Me, Beatles Helter Skelter, Steppenwolf Born to Be Wild, lots of Hendrix stuff... The pieces weren't all there yet, but you can see where it all came from.

  • @kratka2073
    @kratka2073 Рік тому +14

    Even if I dissagre with most of "bye" it was fucking fun to watch xD I just want to say death metal and black metal (bands from polish are fucking awesome, check Odraza, Mgła or Kriegsmaschine, they have good production and great compositions) are my S tier

  • @heccingcommie4942
    @heccingcommie4942 Рік тому +10

    Proto-metal is like Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin, heavy metal is what came afterwards, Black Sabbath through Iron Maiden

    • @veliki_dlek
      @veliki_dlek Рік тому +1

      So made-up genre? Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin are rock, there is no reason to invent a genre for them.

    • @heccingcommie4942
      @heccingcommie4942 Рік тому

      @@veliki_dlek proto-metal is more of a contextual description of bands/their music than an actual genre, the label helps us understand where metal developed from

  • @playstationmetalhead2182
    @playstationmetalhead2182 Рік тому +22

    As someone who’s pretty much of a fan of more extreme styles of metal (i.e. black Metal, death metal, grind) I found a lot of humor in your reaction to some of the “shouldn’t exist” tier genres, especially the grind and black metal styles on that list….I do admit that avant-garde Grindcore sounds the most ridiculous on this list to me…LMAO

    • @BecomeTheKnight
      @BecomeTheKnight  Рік тому +6

      I'm happy you found hunor in it 🙏🤘

    • @rysiiyt86
      @rysiiyt86 Рік тому +1

      Yeah but avant-garde grindcore is a real thing. Its kinda good.

    • @playstationmetalhead2182
      @playstationmetalhead2182 Рік тому

      @@rysiiyt86….oh, I was not aware of that…I just assumed it was more of a joke genre or something…any bands you’d recommend??

    • @lightningmonky7674
      @lightningmonky7674 Рік тому +1

      He shoulda at least had grindcore on there. It sounds different than other metal genres and core genres

    • @rysiiyt86
      @rysiiyt86 Рік тому

      @@playstationmetalhead2182 Antigama is good example as far as i know. I think its one of the most famous ones

  • @dethmetalhed9178
    @dethmetalhed9178 8 місяців тому +3

    Progressive metal is heavy metal with a progressive rock influence, avant-garde and experimental metal is just weird shit that can't be shoehorned into any other genre and it can have roots in any metal subgenre ranging from black metal to fucking power metal

  • @user-jx2qb8ve1n
    @user-jx2qb8ve1n Рік тому +7

    respectfully, this is awful 😭😭😭

  • @matiosmi137
    @matiosmi137 Рік тому +12

    I'm with you on tech-death. Beyond Creation, First Fragment, Persefone, Rivers Of Nihil - seem obnoxious at times but overall pretty engaging.

    • @goatfromhell666
      @goatfromhell666 Рік тому +1

      And then there's Obscura❤

    • @spartansquid5931
      @spartansquid5931 Рік тому +1

      I've never found any of River's stuff to be obnoxious

    • @spartansquid5931
      @spartansquid5931 Рік тому

      @@dragonballfanscantread2383 Do you define obnoxious as "They value technical music and I didn't enjoy it?"

    • @spartansquid5931
      @spartansquid5931 Рік тому

      @@dragonballfanscantread2383 So essentially, you're pretending those tech death bands are absolutely nothing but shred and preferring technical songwriting is somehow a bad thing. Why can't there just be genres for people who get more out of technique driven music? Why does every genre have to appeal to your subjective image of musical narrative or soul? I mean fuck, Rivers of Nihil has a shit ton of feel and narrative, and they aren't even the most acclaimed of the bunch.

    • @spartansquid5931
      @spartansquid5931 Рік тому

      @@dragonballfanscantread2383 All 4 of River's albums have been concept albums with story lines, what do you mean their songs go nowhere? What do you count as going somewhere, you're so fucking arbitrary it's insane. Did you listen to The Work and really come out thinking it went nowhere? What's the point in 99% of fucking music is this is how high your standard for going somewhere are.
      I'm not saying Narrative is subjective, I'm saying what you consider musical narrative seems to be completely arbitrary and subjective, since apparently not even DT makes the cut.
      Just because "Necrocrapist" isn't a particularly nice band doesn't mean having technical focused genres isn't totally fucking fine.
      And yes, it is pretend, lots of people gleam substance from those bands so this is just your singular opinion which you're treating as superior. Again, your definition for what counts as substance seems to be completely fucking subjective, don't even pretend it ain't bud.

  • @gabrielcamiloanunciatodeol2566

    This is the best video that has ever been created, thank you so much for this

  • @capnfluff2428
    @capnfluff2428 Рік тому +8

    i wish you name dropped a few bands with each genre ranked so we would know exactly what you're talking about

    • @EzioMonty117
      @EzioMonty117 Рік тому +8

      Yeah that really irked me while watching this. Name dropping some bands would also help sell your arguments too.

    • @putridabomination
      @putridabomination Рік тому +2

      The problem is he probably can't. It's easier for him to bash things he doesn't research or understand.

  • @badbasic
    @badbasic Рік тому +2

    I can't belive you put nu metal that high, such a thoughtful thing to do. While I don't listen to it any more, I would most likely have never become a metalhead without it. My jorney was rap>nu metal> Metallica>everything else.

  • @jaydavis1373
    @jaydavis1373 Рік тому +1

    Great insight, nice list.
    Appreciate your unbiased honesty.
    I think the only missing subgenre here is Devin Townsend.
    Loving the content man, keep it up.

  • @James_whitler2006
    @James_whitler2006 Рік тому +3

    The thing that I love about this guy is the sheer balls on him and him not giving a care about people who can't take other opinions

  • @ronanjenkins2323
    @ronanjenkins2323 Рік тому +6

    Thank you for putting industrial metal so high, it’s such a gravely under appreciated genre. There is copious banality in metal but to me industrial is one of the most original and consistent genres.

    • @wafflemanofficial3130
      @wafflemanofficial3130 Рік тому

      Any lesser known industrial metal bands or albums you can recommend me

    • @FlusterCuck808
      @FlusterCuck808 Рік тому

      @@wafflemanofficial3130 Fear Factory, Mushroomhead, Ministry

    • @FlusterCuck808
      @FlusterCuck808 Рік тому

      @@wafflemanofficial3130 All fairly underrated

    • @ronanjenkins2323
      @ronanjenkins2323 Рік тому

      @@wafflemanofficial3130 you should give pailhead a try. Really underrated industrial punk metal band, only one album tho.

  • @mitochondriaman4798
    @mitochondriaman4798 Рік тому +3

    Me, seing all my favorite subgenres on the "shouldn't exist" while having my own one man DSBM project

  • @tahamohammedi5898
    @tahamohammedi5898 Рік тому +5

    Avant-garde Metal has a lot of qualities that has nothing to do with Prog

  • @BigAnt222
    @BigAnt222 Рік тому +27

    Mike trashing so many metal subgenres at the beginning was no pun intended, but music to my ears. Also Mike including You Will Know Our Names from Xenoblade Chronicles in the Japanese power metal section is even more respect from me \m/

  • @AriaMohtadiHaghighi
    @AriaMohtadiHaghighi 2 місяці тому

    Love what you did on this video.
    I still don't know why some music magazines (ehem...Rolling Stone) insist on using "Glam Metal", "Hard Rock", "Heavy Rock" and "Hair Metal" interchangeably. Why can't they just pick one? Same goes for "Speed Metal" (and its other made-up variations) which some reviewers still use to categorize both Thrash and Power metal bands (ala. the whole Epic Metal, Viking Metal, Extreme Viking Power Epic ... etc.).

  • @goatfromhell666
    @goatfromhell666 Рік тому +5

    I'm in a stoner doom band. That being said, I don't feel like explaining that to everyone who asks what kind of music we play, so I just say it's big dumb music for people to groove to instead, and just leave the genre out of it.

  • @flameslingeralex3549
    @flameslingeralex3549 Рік тому +1

    This has to be my favourite Become the Knight video😂

  • @Yenneffer
    @Yenneffer Рік тому +6

    I think there's a distinction between progressive metal and experimental/avant-garde metal. Lately I'd say the progressive metal genre became a bit of an oxymoron, since it's used to lump in all of the bands that do the same thing the first actual progressive bands did. A Dream Theater clone is arguably anything but progressive, but where else would you classify it? But even when you look at the original progressive bands, yes they did push metal in a new direction, but I'd say they still stick to certain song writing structures. They may not follow a simple verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus formula. But usually you still have distinctive verses and choruses and bridges.. sometimes multiple of each, or in different order, but they're still there.
    For me things fall into the experimental category when they completely abandon these structures and often times really push the boundaries of what's considered music in the first place lol.

  • @aleximikkonen6586
    @aleximikkonen6586 Рік тому +16

    aka how many sub subgenres of black metal can mike roast in half an hour

  • @GoderikCristobal
    @GoderikCristobal Рік тому +4

    I love how much of a little troll Mike's turned into.

  • @lt8400
    @lt8400 Рік тому +4

    Saying Sepultura like that and calling them "American rock n roll" invalidates everything you have ever said

  • @metalwarmaster4056
    @metalwarmaster4056 Рік тому +4

    What's crazy is that sometimes he is able to look past his own tastes to appraise something artistically, but can only manage to do that when its overtly technical or progressive. Yet disregards whole ass fuckin genres because it's "lesser" to him because they dont use 87 polyrhythms and bullshit chord progressions to create the illusion that they can make interesting songs to listen to, when you can make amazing songs using 4/4 and simple power chords.

  • @jpbguitar6470
    @jpbguitar6470 Рік тому +3

    Black thrash has to be one of the most fun genres to see live. Hellripper (outside of having actually decent production and sick riffs) absolutely kills on stage and they're super cool dudes as well.

  • @coldkiller187
    @coldkiller187 Рік тому +7

    It's funny how he calls himself a Snob but doesn't even know much about Metal. "I don't know this genre so it doesn't exist" cmon man that's so ignorant.

    • @facundogotmand8368
      @facundogotmand8368 Рік тому

      According to his chart, my music library shouldn't exist.

    • @jdiejejerje661
      @jdiejejerje661 Рік тому +3

      Yeah. He was right to throw a lot of that out, but stuff like Funeral Doom, Death/Doom, and Progressive Black metal are completely legit subgenres.

  • @braydencoversbeatles4029
    @braydencoversbeatles4029 Рік тому

    I’m sorry I’m new to the genre, what’s the difference between thrash and speed?

  • @adriancopperblood1546
    @adriancopperblood1546 Рік тому +3

    This is certainly one of tier lists of all time.

  • @buek14
    @buek14 Рік тому +3

    I wonder how would you categorize Bloodywood and Amaranthe?
    Great video nonetheless. I see where you're coming from with this. I can agree for the most part.

    • @anthropophagistsomnambulis9872
      @anthropophagistsomnambulis9872 Рік тому

      Amaranthe is an ancient grain

    • @Theiscariotsin
      @Theiscariotsin Рік тому

      Amaranthe is metalcore I don’t really know why that would be confusing. I’ve heard people lump it in with power metal which is fair in my eyes. But the entire point of the band is mixing three genres together so it’s kinda the epitome of what metalcore is as a genre

    • @buek14
      @buek14 Рік тому

      ​@@Theiscariotsin Makes sense. Though I haven't considered metalcore an epitome of mixtures so far. Could you tell more about this? Like, where the term *metalcore* comes from? It can be interpreted as something of many influences but it's metal in the core of it. Or it's the true fashion of metal, so the core of metal or metal to the core. Do I make any sense at all? lol
      What bands are we talking about? Bullet For My Valentine, Architects, While She Sleeps, Bring Me The Horizon, Killswitch Engage, All That Remains? I feel like Amaranthe has a bit more to offer in some songs.

  • @eclatshwartzbaumcybertune2063
    @eclatshwartzbaumcybertune2063 Рік тому +5

    I can tell you the difference with some of them . Avantgarde is more random , experimental is more abrasive.
    Black metal is more angry , but dsbm is more giving up .

  • @sverkerofficial
    @sverkerofficial Рік тому +7

    mike, i love you brother. but as nice as i can put this as a fellow musician: maybe be less ignorant of some of these subgenres. a few short examples being; Austere, Thy Light, and Sadness are so much different than Darkthrone, Mayhem, and Gorgoroth. Dying Fetus are much different from Kreator. side note, noticed you said goth metal bands go for timbre more than writing and composition, familiarize yourself with Katatonia and My Dying Bride. if it’s not your thing, that’s fine. this goes for everyone, just don’t be ignorant, it makes you look stupid. Mike again, love you, but you may have wanted to do more basic research into subgenres you happen to not be into.

  • @neilkenneth859
    @neilkenneth859 Рік тому +1

    Since you've mentioned Japanese Power Metal, do check out Unlucky Morpheus and Demetori (they also play progressive metal and djent).
    Both bands came from the Touhou doujin music community but Unlucky Morpheus shaped to be a real act crossing the bridge between power metal and melodic death metal/metalcore (notable songs include Black Pentagram, that almost symphonic death/deathcore-ish Dogura Magura, Kagerou Ou, and more). Two of their members (Shiren and Fumiya) came from Galynerus which is also a solid Japanese power metal band. AND I'm rooting for them to open for Lorna Shore whenever they'll tour across Japan some time in the future.

  • @jamesbedford3774
    @jamesbedford3774 Рік тому +4

    I think that you were too quick to cast aside 'Funk Metal' and 'Crossover Thrash'. Other than that, I agreed with most of the ranking and enjoyed the video. Oh, and you were spot on about 'Glam' and 'Nu-Metal'. Easy to mock, but had boundless influence.