THE STRANGE HISTORY OF UNDEROATH
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We look at the strange history of Underoath including:
* The early years of Underoath with Dallas Taylor and Aaron Gillespie
* Underoath's breakthrough with "They're Only Chasing Safety" and "Define The Great Line" with Spencer Chamberlain
* Their metalcore followup albums including "Lost In The Sound Of Safety" and "Disambiguation"
* Their influence on the Christian scene and metalcore in general
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0:00 Intro
3:38 Underoath's early years w/ Dallas
6:46 "They're Only Chasing Safety" and "Define The Great Line"
12:02 "Lost In The Sound Of Separtation" and "Disambiguation"
14:31 Are they a Christian band?
19:20 Their musical legacy - Розваги
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I appreciate those Metal Gear SFX 😀☝️
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Can you make a video about different 2000s underground rock scenes. And the early years of music scenes on the internet.
18 year old who cant find reliable sources about these topics.
@@johnindigo5477 Ahh yes the myspace bands!
Underoath introduced also Christians (like me) to the metal word…. before Underoath metal was from the devil… After Underoath the metal was for every belive
How did we skip right over The Changing of Times? This completely explains the transition or sound AND introduces Tim and Chris. When the sun sleeps is a blaring sign of what is to come. Admittedly Tim has said they don't even consider Underoath a band up until this record. Spencer has also shared over the last couple of years why his vocal performance is so brutal on Disambiguation.
Edit: yes, I have been corrected that Chris was on Cries of the past. Thanks for the correction.
This was my big take away also. That album was how I was introduced to the band and they toured HEAVILY during that time.
I agree, The Changing of Times was really the bridge between the black/death metal and post hardcore sound, it’s definitely essential to the overall history of the band
Chris was actually on COTP but yeah definitely needed to be talked about
When The Sun Sleeps is one of the most legendary screamo songs ever written. I think he may have rushed this video or something because thats a huge album to just gloss over.
True...That record was so important and definitive in their change in sound with Dallas in it.
Not enough comments about Lost in the Sound of Separation and Disambiguation. Those albums are absolutely phenomenal and right up there with Define the Great Line in my book.
Disambiguation isn’t very good and LITSOS is good but has a lot of filler
Lost in the sound is decently my favorite
Takes a while to grow on ya. But once it does, its over
He literally had a whole section of the video dedicated to those two albums lol
I'll agree with you on Lost, that album has some of my very favorite stuff.
I tried hard to get into Disambiguation, just never caught me the same way.
Seeing the Changing of Times glossed over as a mere footnote when it was arguably the most pivotal moment of the band's history.. man, that hurt a little.
That was a good album.
It's my favorite album out of their entire discography.
It wasn't. Didn't even chart lol. Safety was let's be real.
@@crowing3886 Without CoT there is no Chasing Safety. It's that simple. Their sound didn't simply change overnight, it evolved.. and CoT was that evolution point.
TOCS is and will always be their greatest work.
As a Christian and a former addict, I really hate the way Spencer was treated by the church. I promise that there ARE Christians that would do whatever it takes to help someone struggling through a dark time. Not all Christians are the hypocritical holier than thou types.Those kind of folks don’t actually have the Holy Spirit living inside of them and aren’t showing the love of Christ. I appreciate that you shared that Christians are people too and we are by no means perfect or claiming to be. ❤️ I love your videos, keep up the great work.
Emery responds with "Eve". No matter what you face in the church. "Erase me" is extremely disrespectfull.
Yea idk who or what Christians these west coast'ers hang out with but I've personally never ran into somebody in the Christian community who would outcast you due to your drug use. I've personally only ever seen love and compassion offered. I get it though, the west coast is culturally another country compared to the rest of the nation.
Agreed. The only “Christians” I know who would ostracize someone for their sin is someone who doesn’t understand their duty as a Christian. Those are the “lukewarm” Christians (the ones Jesus will not accept into his kingdom), the seeds cast onto rocks (see Jesus’s parable of the sower). It’s sad to see that underøath strayed from the straight and narrow, but hey: narrow is the gate. They sought something else.
@@CholoBeavis erase me isn’t a Christian album like all the others. It’s a banger tbh.
Katherine, thank you for this comment! It breaks my heart to know there are "Christians" out there that spread hate. You summed it up perfectly.
Underoath was massive at my high school. When Define the Great line came out there were legit jocks on our football and basketball team who also happened to be warped tour kids. 2006-2007 was a wild time.
I was one of those jocks for sure. Colorful belt and skinny jeans hung up in my football/track/wrestling locker lol.
@@LtDanhaslegs lmfaooooo
2003-2009 was such a great time for rock music. 😍
Yeah, same. Define the Great Line and Lost in the Sound of Separation really united high school cliques in a weird way.
I was a wrestler and we exclusively played Underoath, August Burns Red, and Oh Sleeper in the practice room. It really was a wild era
Fun fact, my music producer actually did the engineering for Underoath's 2019 record that got nominated for a Grammy. He said that they were an incredibly nice and humble group of guys who could really play their asses off if you needed them to. Total legends.
That’s fuckin sick
I always imagined them as being humble dudes tbh
Aaron Gillespie is the straight up one of the most talented -drummers- *artists* in the entire music industry. How his vocals are on point flawless and absolutely *SLAYS* the drums at the same time is something I don’t think people actually appreciate or comprehend how difficult is to do and still sound good
Another artist like this guy is Donovan Melero, his band hail the sun is amazing
he also plays guitar and wrote all the songs for The Almost!
Always watch the Drummers.. this kid, and Dude from From Autumn to Ashes.. just playing and singing..
The Almost ❤
UnderØath as a band is really human. Not only did they have the relatable image, especially with the Christian audience, but also the way their music developed and the band developed is human. I love that kind of dynamic.
I remember a Nashville show where Underoath opened for The Red Chord. I was outside smoking a cigarette before show started and Tim from Underoath happened to of came outside and he noticed me wearing an Isis shirt. He ran up to me and started talking to me about the band. Wasn't really a fan of Underoath. Was there for The Red Chord. But the way Tim talked to me cursing up a storm, hilarious stories, it really made me question how I felt about the band. And did some research later on and they were not people I assumed they were being Christian. Really opened my eyes a bit. And knowing he was a Isis fan really made me relisten to Underoath tracks and I noticed the influence and became a massive fan.
Red Chord is dope. Ironically, the song that put them on my radar for me was "He Was Dead When I Got There" lmao
yeah part of the christian stuff was the label pushing it on them
In retrospect it's clear that at least a few of them were definitely not christians at the time and the label and fanbase was pushing it on them. Never thought I'd see Aaron becoming an atheist.
Dude I loved the Red Chord
Went to highschool with Dallas and Chris. Chris turned me on to Marilyn Manson in highschool. Lol
_Aaron Gillespie_ is a brilliant drummer 👌
i really enjoy watching his drum cam videos
And singer
Yessss
A godsend, truly
Seriously I wish his talents in particular were more noticed cuz his chops on the drums are ridiculous and though he can’t keep up with his heavily produced record vocals live, the melodies he created on the classics that changed my life from They’re Only Chasing Safety definitely hold a place in my personal Hall Of Fame.
The first three albums mean the world to me. The Changing of Times is a masterpiece and has a feeling I can’t describe.
I completely agree.
It shaped my teenage years couldn’t agree more.
same man!
dallas taylor was my hero!
same here my dude. Helped me through some really rough times and COT is one of my fave albums to this day. Also never put out a bad album. Such insanely talented and versatile guys.
They’re Only Chasing Safety changed my life. as a 4th grader I had my parents buy it for me because I kept seeing the cover art and thought it was dope. Had no idea what they sounded like, and it was the first time I ever listened to a band with primarily screaming vocals. that’s where my love for post hardcore and metalcore began. I also grew up going to church and being apart of youth groups, and thought it was so cool that I could relate to them in that way and that it made it easier for my parents to accept the heavy music. their experience with being so involved in the church and ultimately distancing themselves completely mirrors my experience, and I admire how they’ve gone about their transformation so much. their music has got me through some of the best and worst times of my life, I owe a lot to them for that. great video Finn 🙏🏼
They’re Only Chasing Safety is probably one of my most listened albums of all time
Spencer's high "yeah" scream during that breakdown is epic af.
The story of underoath I think mirrors the life of those of us that grew up with them, from the fun emo phase, to get heavier and dark as you grow up, to questioning your beliefs and then finding yourself. Solid video man.
This
So true!
YEP.
Well said my friend
This is so well said
Also, speaking of Dallas, he was in a bad accident awhile back. He had a go fund me, or something set up to help him. If it’s still up definitely check it out. Dallas is such a great guy. Pretty good video though man, so glad they’ve been a band as long as they have.
He’s the reason i got into the band
@@BlackAceKisachi same, remember hearing the changing of times when I was like 13 in a Christian bookstore, and was sold on the band after that.
Did he not say this in the video? Like all of this? Am I crazy? He said like this exactly... Support the GoFundMe and everything.
Saw them at The Door Dallas at one of Dallas’ last shows and they played with Norma Jean. It was an amazing night I was like 19/20 at the time
@sarowell05 Good god these guys can't catch a break! That's terrible! Pretty heavy stuff for that group of friends to go through. I hope they all have nothing but good vibes coming ahead.
My mother passed away January of 2006. Define the great line kept me going. They are one of my ALL TIME favorite bands.
When I was a young teen in my freshman year in high school I used to work at a Christian club called The Door in Dallas Texas. I was super shy because I was such a small dude. I remember this tall skinny guy with long hair and a messenger bag come up to me before we opened and was just super friendly and talking with me. He asked me how school was going and if I had a girlfriend. I remember thinking how cool it was that this random dude was so interested in my life for no reason. Later that night I saw him on stage, he was the lead singer for Underoath. At the time I had no idea who the band was, but I became a huge fan just because the dude was so nice.
That sounds like an amazing experience!
Cheers for them and their awesome music
Lucky!
Ah, the door. Seen many shows there
I sure miss the door. No rails protecting the stage always made for some amazing chaotic energy and stage dives.
What year?
Their synth player is amazing. Dude goes hard during live shows
Chris Dudley. He does score composing now he has a great ear.
Chris also scores films outside of UO and that's pretty rad.
Never understood how Chris is chubby, he must burn 5000 calories a show
@@justinuv he's not anymore.
He fucking spit on me during a show once. Right in my swoopy hair. Then asked me for a cigarette after the show.
That first Underoath album made me a fan for life, and they only got better each album. Prayers for Dallas Taylor
I don't think Finn even realises Spencer sings just as much clean vocals as Aaron. A Boy Brushed in Red is them alternating vocal lines at the beginning & in verses. Hes amazing.
Yes!
Spencer is easily one of the best vocalists of all time. Dude's screams have such a wide range, and his singing voice is easy to mistake for Aaron's sometimes, who has a super poppy voice. Dude has range.
As someone who grew up extremely Christian and who’s parents wouldn’t let him listen to most secular music I’m thankful for bands like Underoath, MXPX, and Relient K for showing me some different stuff out there. I remember burning Hatebreed CDs at my buddy’s house when I was in middle school and writing “Audio Adrenaline” on the CD so my parents wouldn’t find my secular music.
I had that same experience lol.
I never knew mxpx were a Christian band. I remember downloading their punk covers off winmx way back in the day. Like 99/00
MXPX is christian?
@@spritepunk they started out that way. No clue where they stand now but they wouldn’t call themselves a Christian band.
@@spritepunk not anymore but used to be yeah
They're Only Chasing Safety is still one of the best Post-Hardcore albums ever made
I back this.
If you like post hard-core, you should check out capstan's newest album Separate. Its a post hard-core masterpiece imo
DTGL IMO TBH
I agree and it's my favorite by them. It's a shame they suck now.
Agreed. They haven't made a album quite like it. Most of their stuff went really mathcore after this album.
It'd be nice if Funeral for a Friend got a little more general recognition. No one I've known has ever heard of em. Easily the best and most underrated post-hardcore/emo/ screamo whatever you wanna call it
I went to school with Dallas from 4th grade through our senior year of high school in Williston, FL. I remember him being excited about his band. I always hoped he'd find success.
I was a part of that Christ core scene in my earliest years. It was a great way to convince my parents to let me experience heavy music. Which is weird because my dad would drive me around in his truck listening to early Metallica when I was around 7 years old(you can’t put on ride the lightning and tell a child to settle down). In 5th grade I made some new friends who listened to a large variety. And bringing home albums from artists like the chariot, Norma Jean, underoath and various other tooth and nail essentials. I remember begging and finding a way to convince my parents that I should be able to go to see haste the day and still remains in the bad part of town because Jesus. This scene was responsible for a strong influence over youth and Christians looking to find a way to think for branch out or escape. A lot of kids coming from religious backgrounds had a very hard time obtaining that release of artistic expression. It felt way safer than death metal and especially Nü-metal in the parents eyes. I feel like the Christcore scene deserves a hell of a lot of credit for that. *wink*
"This scene was responsible for a strong influence over youth and Christians looking to find a way to think for branch out or escape" YES 😭
@@CinemaDoll137 Dude youre right, even if thats annoying
100% this for myself. As I Lay Dying, Underoath, Haste the Day, Demon Hunter, Becoming the Archetype, as well as who you mentioned. Those bands still are a favorite of mine today.
I will always have a fondness for that Christcore era of music. It was absoutely Christian metal bands that revealed that first step into the metal world. A step that would have otherwise been extremely unlikely growing up with a super-churchy-single-mom.
Yes, I was super I to that scene. Have seen every band from that era 10+times. Started in 1997 with Six feet deep. The chariot, Norma Jean, torn in two, all the bands mentioned in this comment and all the replies thereof. There's also a super awesome Canadian hardcore band called Through and Through who have an amazing album. Also Beloved, showbread, Living Sacrifice, Jesus Wept, Disciple AD, embodiment, blindside, shai hulud, Extol, Hopesfall. I saw Haste the Day when they were doing a set up a stage at your camp to get signed at cornerstone band. Zao, and I can barely remember all of the. Changing of the Times is still one of my favorite albums from that era
Underøath is literally my favorite band of all time, so thank you so much for finally wanting to cover them.
That ø is such a cool use of of the o
Same here. im ecstatic this is up.
“It's Dangerous Business Walking Out Your Front Door” is one of my all time favorite songs. “Pneumonia” is also a masterpiece. Their lyrics resonate with me!
Dangerous Business is the song that got me into Underoath. I bought a Christian rock compilation cd as a 14 year old in 2008 that had that song on it, and I loved it. Went to the Christian bookstore and bought their new album Lost in the Sounds of Separation that was of course WAY heavier then Dangerous Business and I didn't know how to feel about it. It was the first time I had heard anything that heavy. It grew on me really fast though, and within the new few months I bought their 06 and 04 album. Those three albums were all I listened to for a few years. I'm partial to their 06 sound, but 08 is a very close 2nd place for me.
Underoath was a massive movement. Seeing them live after they released Lost in the Sound was one of the best experiences of my life. The people showed up by the thousands and the whole crowd roared every single lyric.
changing of times wasn't even mentioned and it was def a middle ground between their black metal and the chasing safety record. It was also really when they started getting more famous and on big tours.
Was about to say that. Also its a great record. I believe Tim was already in the band by that time and Dallas still on vocals
There's a great podcast with Brandon Ebel, founder of Tooth and Nail records, about how he basically told Aaron that if he could produce a whole album of songs like "When The Sun Sleeps" that they were guaranteed to blow up.
Florida hardcore kid here, underøath are definitely hometown hero’s to most of us as well as adtr
I remember feeling so proud to learn they were also from FL :')
Underoath helped me through the darkest times of my life. No matter the age, I will ALWAYS listen to Underoath. ❤
Also if anyone here is unaware, the original vocalist Dallas went on to front a band called Maylene and the Sons of Disaster, which is based on Ma Barker and her sons who ran a depression era gang in the midwest. I would describe it as southern fried metalcore. It rules.
I feel like The Changing of Times is what really started the ball rolling for Underoath. I remember that taking them from church basements to legitimate clubs.
You are correct. That was when I heard of this band. I remember watching the when the sun sleeps video and seeing ESP guitars for the first time. Also saw them when Spencer was just trying out, I seem to remember them talking about it at the show but who knows.
Yes
I remember downloading a live version of the sun still sleeps from a set they played at Cornerstone off of Kazaa or Napster and being blown away
Truth. They opened for Darkest Hour as soon as that album came out, and it wasn’t much later that they toured with Norma Jean on the Solid State tour. Big leap from being an unknown black metal band on an unknown label.
@@gavinsimcoe Was at that show, I am pretty sure.
They're Only Chasing Safety is still one of my favorite albums. Gives me crazy nostalgia. Can't wait to see them next year with Every Time I Die.
It's so good. I found it on accident at Best Buy when it came out, bought it because of the cover and the song titles and the record label, and was literally blown away. Every time I hear, "So lets not even TRYYYYYYY YOU'RE RIGHT, LET'S BALL IT UP AND THROW IT OUT THE WIIIIIINDOWWWW" I literally jump up and down. I saw them years ago with TBS, and was lucky enough to see them on the reunion tour.
Define the great line is an absolute MASTERPIECE
Agreed ❤
Nice vid. I remember that whole scene very well, you did a great job explaining it and how it tied together. And I love underoath, cool to see them getting some coverage today!
I hate that the band doesn’t even acknowledge When the Sun Sleeps. That’s a Dallas classic
well considering When the Sun Sleeps is going to be played a Furnest Fest in a few days as a special oneoff treat for the fans, i think they are acknowledging it and realise that this song is still a fan favourite that shouldn’t be shunned and never spoken about.
You hear about their two eps even less than that album. Mind you they obviously have a very different sound than anything else they’ve ever done, but they’re not bad and pretty unique for the time.
Edit: I typed this before watching the video, but I should’ve known finn would bring it up.
one of my favs, really the first use of clean vocals that carried some melody
@@SDREHXC they released remastered versions of these recently
For realsies I was waiting for it and then...just straight to TOCS
I remember Aaron saying in an interview (Labeled Podcast?) that when he was trying to be a contemporary worship artist he also got harshly rejected by the church because he went through a divorce. It is a shame. But I'm glad it led to the band reconciling.
I remember that podcast, he even said the labels and other producers tried to get him to change lyrics and write differently to so the Christian soccer moms could relate to it more lol.
Loathed his worship music (even when I was a Christian), but The Almost had some great records and tracks. Also saw him live when he went on the To Write Love on Her Arms' Heavy and Light tour. That for sure was pretty good, as well.
Act of Depression was their 1st album followed by Cries of the past which introduced Chris Dudley, and then the chang of sound happened on the 3rd album The changing of times. I loved the band since I was 10 or 11. Do I love the direction they went in? Not completely, but I'm still so happy they're doing what they do best.
feel you fr. i'm pretty sure that dallas was involved with some if not the majority of the writing atleast the lyrics for they're only changing safety. It's kinda wild as fuck to me i saw underoath play at a church in bradenton or palmetto fl when i was maybe just 10 or 11 and as a result dove into hardcore and metal headfirst. but way later on, octavio fernandez had a band that sounded good af called At the Wake. i saw them play a couple times, i think they might have only played a couple times tbh. but one of the times was pretty cool cuz it was at state theatre in st pete and it was with maylene and the sons of disaster, and spencer chamberlain came out to the show and they were all homies.
i absolutely love the unreleased albums you mention and they're classics. It was just crazy to me how they could go from those to releasing "the changing of times" a certified classic from start to finish with an almost enitrely new original sound that was truly ahead of it's time. The album really ironically lived up to it's title and helped pioneer an entire era of post hardcore to come vs just being a moniker for the album. This to me was an indicator that this band had a real talent that put them in nearly a league of their own.
Haste the Day doesn't get enough credit for their part in the Christ Core scene. Legends.
Yessss! Totally agree.
Agreed! Pressure the hinges was 🔥
"That They May Know You" is my favorite Jimmy era HTD album
Wow, had no idea they were a christian band. I was never super into them but they had some damn good songs. I could definitely see if I went that way instead of the "harder" more breakdowny gutteraly stuff, not that haste the day had a lacking of breakdowns of course! But I could have gotten into them easily. I always confuse them with It dies today though for some reason... Probably because I listened to them both lightly for a minute, at the same time, and then stopped subconsciously, which may not be the correct word but I didn't stop for any reason other than... Here I am today, over ten years later, and I haven't listened to them in forever... Lmao.
Did that make sense in a very convoluted way?
Yup. They along with TDWP got me into metal/screamo type stuff in general!
In one way or another, Underoath is the most influential band in my life...
Coming from the standard mall screamo world, Underoath was the heaviest™️ band I had ever heard of. Was absolutely mind boggling that the main guy did screaming and the secondary singer did cleans.
What has equally world shattering was when they said their one sentence Jesus sermon at Warped Tour 2005. I was a Christian and it absolutely rocked my existence that Underoath was a Christian band.
That lead me to Tooth & Nail records, which lead me to the greater world of Christian Rock, which lead me to "being a more serious Christian" in my high school years, which lead me to going to actual Christian Rock festivals, which lead me to finding out about Christian colleges....which is where I would meet my future wife 🤯
These days, neither of us are religious at all, but we still love 2004-2009 Underoath. And now that Spencer is yelling "Fuck" in their songs we are back to listening to them again lol
The Changing Of Times is a criminally over looked record, It's got a cool blend of their earlier sound with some more melodic moments like on their later records. Check it out if you haven't!
Over looked ?
A Message for Adrienne and When the Sun Sleeps are still in my monthly rotation lol
It's definitely an album that was ment to be played live, that album has so much emotion in it.
I bought it when it came out
That album introduced me to Underoath and it was fun at the time, but when I go back and listen to it now, imo it sounds so terrible. Vocals are so bad. It hasn’t aged well for me at all
Dallas' Underoath deserved so much recognition. It's too this day my favorite version of the band.
I’ll never understand why anyone likes that era of Underoath. That music was absolutely terrible.
@@ChrisKellyDrums it was way less g@y than the music they put out now. What are you talking about?
@@ChrisKellyDrums theyre only chasing safety was the only good album without dallas taylor. Their record cries or the past was probably the first ever blackened deathcore. And theor first record was one of the first deafhcorr albums ever. Everything before their only chasing safety was new and fresh everything else had been done a good bit already. Spencer's old band this runs through was pretty good too.
They were the first in the hardcore scene in introducing the black metal riff and the “dungeon” synth stuff, all of which was really off and unheard of back in the day. There’s even an interview by dallas in which he explains that were really close to get a soprano girl singing as well! Pretty mindblowing
Dallas was a depressed mess, "that" Underoath was going nowhere in a hurry. It was trash.
The only good thing Dallas did for UO was leave, and go make some killer music with Maylene.
I’ve checked out a few of your videos over the past few years. Great stuff! Glad to see a full video for my favorite band. But I mainly want to say I really enjoyed seeing you pop onto Last Stand Media with Colin recently!
I fucking loved this. Underoath has been massive for me, and my faith. Their story reflects my experiences, and its so cool that I got to be a part of that journey
Right there with you my friend!
Aaron has got to be one of my favorite vocalists, definitely appreciate The Almost
The almost was fucking solid. I remember hardly anyone got into it, and I couldn't for the life of me understand why.
@@burninsherman1037 I listened to the almost before i ever gave underoath a chance, both great bands, I only ever knew 2 of the most random people who knew about the almost, everyone knew about underoath
I've seen Gillespie preach. He said a man came in to church where he played drums and told him God would take his drumming around the world or something. The church didn't like when he played, said he played too hard.
Underoath changed my life as I knew it as a 12 yr old raised in a strict Apostolic household. It was the first band I didn't feel as guilty listening to when I first got into metal. It may seem silly to those on the outside but, they were a defining moment in me becoming my own person.
I was in highschool from 04 through 08. This band was legendary in those years. So many plays on my playlist
Same here!! I was completely obsessed with Underoath. I had every single shirt from hot topic lol
Same here graduated in 08
Finn, if you haven't already, it would be awesome if you did a video on scene bands/hardcore bands topping the charts. I'd love to see a breakdown of how often that has happened like define the great line getting to #2 on Billboard
Thank you for making this video....i suggested it on the AFI video....you're a real one! much love!
The changing of times and they're only chasing safety brings back so many high school memories. Saw them in 03 for the first-time at cornerstone. Was a good show.
Was Spencer there yet? I know his first album was in 04
I remember going to a big metal festival and the crowd loving the Underpath performance. Towards the end Spencer said something along the lines of: I know it’s not cool to do at a metal show, but I want to thank Jesus Christ. Most of the crowd booed which I thought was gross. That sticks out to me because I’m sure they were booed the whole tour but continued doing their thing anyways.
I literally just am prejudiced against Christians. I’ve tried man, but I just find them grating.
@@ThomasVanHoesenDeadpooliscool they weren’t being preachy or forcing Christianity on anyone. Just being thankful for what they believe got them there. It was amazing how people went from losing their minds because the performance was great, to booing. Felt bad
I saw The same thing happened when I saw a Christian metalcore band called wolves at the gate. It was at a venue in Orlando Florida. I can't remmeber the name of the club. After one of their songs they mentioned Jesus and the crowd flipped out. People were cursing at them telling them to shut up. I felt bad for them so I said really loudly " amen brother preach". Then I looked around to see if anyone was gnna punch me in the face. The crowd did not like being preached at. But I respect them for having the courage. I'm also a Christian and I know it takes courage to be a Christian band in the metal/punk/hardcore scene.
@@FollowTheCloud yeah I'm sure it is hard and feels like the whole world hates you. I think that is why it is so hard to stay the course for a lot of bands. I think that is what led to the breakup of For Today also. Two points nobody ever considers; if self proclaimed Satanist like king diamond and Glen Danzig and the guy from bathory even Phil on the viking crown album believe Satan is real then by definition they believe God is real. After all Satan is a fallen angel. Read the lyrics from those bands. They hate God and Christianity. Doesn't that make it all true? Otherwise they're just as big a joke as they say Christians are and they should be booed too. So where are these bands turning to when they denounce their Christian beginning? Or is it just an excuse to give into temptation and get laid and get high with a so called "clear conscience "?
@@imperfectbeliever8127 so i'm going to try to answer your question, but i have to point out some things that i /think/ you might not be considering, so please forgive me if it seems like i'm being condescending. full disclosure: i'm a christian and while i'm not an expert, i have listened to some, although not very closely.
tldr: you keep saying that word (god)... i do not think it means what you think it means.
so it seems like you might be overlooking a difference in paradigms here. satanism is (largely) an atheistic religion -- satan is a metaphor, a symbol of free will and rebellion against authoritarianism, fascism, autocracy, and oppressive institutions. satanism enshrines individualism, egalitarianism, empathy, reason, and personal responsibility (just take a look at the 7 satanic tenents here: thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets)
so when a person says that they hate god and christianity, that doesn't necessarily mean they believe that god is real. it's kinda like saying you hate dolorus umbridge or joffrey baratheon -- they're fictional characters but they represent something real -- a fascist authority figure who hides behind a mask of civility or an unstable sociopath whose word is law. the hate you feel is real but the characters aren't real -- it's what they represent that's so offensive.
you might also be missing some important context for why people get uncomfortable with christians doing performatively christian things in their space. while jesus said that people would know his disciples by their love, there's a lot of people walking around with trauma caused by christians (personally, culturally, religiously, etc) and that trauma almost always goes unapologized for and unrepented for by christians. alternative spaces like the shows these bands perform are places people feel safe to be themselves at and when christians do performatively christian things, like thanking jesus publically, people can react out of that trauma and the negative sentiment that rightfully builds around it. it's a defensive response -- shutting down something that has been shown to be offensive or dangerous to them (just think of the westboro baptist church people and you'll get the picture).
of course this varies from person to person, but in general there aren't any "excuses" involved because they don't believe the same things that christians do, because their definitions of god and satan are wayyy different.
sorry for the essay. i think about these things a lot. have a good one and god bless.
If you’re an Underoath fan, you NEED to see the Live From The Observatory performances. They are absolutely mindblowing.
Agreed. Their "remix" of Breathing in a New Mentality is so dope.
All of us sheltered Christian kids can thank bands like this for getting us into heavy music when we weren’t allowed to listen to secular heavy music 🙏 I’m no longer a christian but christian rock and metalcore was instrumental to shaping my music taste
Thanks for making this video! UØ is my favorite heavy band of all time, and I can't count how many times their albums helped get me through dark times back in the day.
Man wish you talked about how their 2002 album shows the transition perfectly, phasing out some of the metal parts and bringing in the melodic emo Hopesfall/This Day Forward type parts and having Aaron start to sing. When Spencer first joined the band he was mimicking Dallas on The Changing of Times (before he started doing his own thing with the brutal deep screams), especially when they still performed those songs live, and you can clearly hear on tracks like While The Sun Sleeps and Angel Below how they went all in on the good cop/bad cop vox + synth + metal + mosh + emo in a sound that beat bands like The Devil Wears Prada to the punch by a number of years. Seriously, The Changing of Times is like if Skycamefalling had 10% more chops and 100% more poppy synth choruses.
Was thinking the same thing!
I was thinking the same thing. The Changing of Times was truly a change of their sound with Dallas, and Tim coexisting in the band. Tim was a huge step foward toward their post hardcore/metalcore sound. It would've been something to hear Finn comment about thooo
@@thrashmetalfan85 I know I thought for SURE he'd bring up the slam parts in songs like Message For Adrienne and Angel Below paired with the melodic synthy post hardcore stuff. SO ADVANSED.
Underoath is still one of my favorite bands. Define The Great Line is an amazing record!
You started on their second album Cries of the Past.
Their first was Act of Depression. Then after Cries of the Past was The Changing of Times.
THE ALBUM AFTER THAT was They're Only Chasing Safety.
Loving your recent videos. All these deep dives into my favourite bands from my teenage years has felt vindicating in a way. When I was younger the level of dislike for bands like Slipknot, AFI, Underoath made them feel like dirty little secrets now that I'm 30+ but analyzing and emphasizing their cultural impacts feels so good.
Hey Finn,, As someone who is almost 40 and lives in Ocala. I can tell you the music scene around here in the late 90's, early 2000's was phenomenal.
My grandmother just moved out there. I think I’m gonna be moving to Orlando sometime in the next year or two as well. How is the music scene now?
@@siegethompson3194 its not the same. We use to have a small concert hall, rehearsal studio that was filled with with all these local bands but that has been closed for many years now. Last time ADTR played a show here was when they were given the "key to the city" by the mayor a few years back.
@@siegethompson3194 still kicking. Check out the band Bloodbather if you like heavy. Soundbar is probably the venue you wanna check out. Hardcore show coming up there with Kharma, Bodybox, and Exit Strategy. I'm not even from there, I live in Arizona. This is just from Google!
@@kage6613 welp, thanks for makin me feel like an ass lmfao. Seems pretty sweet tho.
Can vouch. No Alize, Identity Crisis, Seventh Star, LYFE.. Many weekends, many years hanging out at K&K.. Some of the best times in my life. It blows my mind how many bands came out of here and made it big.
listening to them for the first time in years since I wrote them off all those years ago (I was a metal snob). "Define the Great Line" is incredible
Yes it is brother.. Honestly though.. Really give Lost In The Sound a true listen.. Its absolutely incredible.
I have been waiting for this video for so long! I remember my sister showing It’s Dangerous Business Walking out your Front Door back in 2006 and being blown away. They have been my favorite ever since and I have loved each album. Underoath has been held very near and dear to my heart and a big part of my teenage years. I still listen them and I’m very excited for their new album coming out soon especially since they made it all by themselves this time. The singles they have dropped so far are just fire 🔥
This is so good, so glad you did a video on them.
Great video as always. I think "The changing of time" is the album that showed them pivot to a different sound. It's literally in the name. They weren't in the main stream at that time, but that album brought them into the "scene" spotlight.
Clearly Spencer’s most impassioned vocals were saved for Tommy’s Face.
Hahahahahha
facts
*Captain America “I understood that reference” gif*
Until this day The Changing of Times is still an amazing and incomparable album. The amalgamation of genres there and the intense feeling differs from what they did after. A different band for sure, a true gem from the underground.
Man, your content is surprisingly refreshing. Keep on keeping on
Underoath had "Desperate Times, Desperate Measures" on Madden, as well as "Reinventing Your Exit" on an Arena Football video game. I feel thats how I got into them as a kid.
Reinventing your exit was also in Flatout 2, an arcade racing game, this and Bullets hand of Blood got me to the genre which i didntlike first entry.
Wait what madded was desperate in?
@@jakeedsinger3185 madden 09 i believe
Spencer did a song with Brand of Sacrifice called enemy and he's still got it
being from Orlando (near Ocala) I was a huge fan of Cries of the past, and Act of depression (Dallas Era). I remember being at Cornerstone Festival 2002 in Bushnell Illinois and listening to Aaron and Dallas talk about how they want 16 year old girls to be singing along to their music. I thought it was a hilarious and crazy statement.. Couple years later and Safety came out. Great video. Keep up the good work, man.
Great video my man! I'm just really surprised that The Changing Of Times wasn't mentioned because it was their real first transition album. It has a great mix of their old sound with their new direction that was later more defined on They're only chasing safety. I know for a lot of people, including me, that The changing of times was their first album that peaked my interest.
The fact that the first 10 comments include several people saying "x is an amazing album" and naming three different albums speaks volumes.
underøath are a part of my DNA, one of the crucial bands from high school that helped inform the rest of my life. Whenever i hear the blue note i still get anticipation anxiety haha
"In 3....2....1...go"
BUH NUH NUH
BWAH NAH NAH
IIIIIIIII'VE BEEN UP AT THIS ALL NIGHT LONG
@@kage6613
IVE BEEN DROWNING INNN MYYYY SLEEEEEEP
This is one of your best videos. Thank you.
Glossed right over the changing of times, bud. Also Dallas didn’t quit. He was fired.
Define Great Line's screams are top tier even still.
Edit: Tier? Teir?
Tier
tear
I before E, except after C
@@Roflmao0001 or in cases of drop B. \m/
That chorus in Paper Lung off disambiguation is haunting af. I forgot about how much I liked the grimyness of that album. Also In Division has a chorus that gives me chills
The album has this melodic eerieness to it, I'm not that fond of that attribute in general but they made it sound so goooood, and you can feel they put their souls in the music 🎼
Illuminator is my favourite track, the chorus is extremely beautiful 👌
@@seraphimsforge-master5433 shame that they probably don´t like that record much, cause how exhaustive it was for Spencer and how personal.
@@jackcravford8744 Oh, yeah ...when you say "they" you mean Christians or fans that hold famous people (they don't know Personally) to ungodly high standards ?
Yeah still though that's one of my favourite tracks. It has this almost film score like theatric to it. Kinda like Oh, Sleeper.
Great album...
Even lyrically most things go over my head because I'm not that great at English. Although Jamaican is my first language which basically is English I realize now that I'm older that I didn't practice proper grammar. Only basic of the basic. So reading lyrics like this I want understand. Also I don't have that much understanding of American culture 😲
@@jackcravford8744 Sorry I realize I rambled on ...
@@seraphimsforge-master5433 Paper Lung is about helping to someone that does not want any kind of help and is drowning.
In Division seems about drugs, that are keeping Spencer caged - lyrical content on Disambiguation is abstract and you can apply your own stuff. For me, the record is about my own inner battles, than drugs and it works flawlessly.
But the main concept from the record is about drowning. Notice that lot of electronics on the record, have almost like "underwater" feel to it. In Division has music video with drowning. Paper Lung is about drowning. The concept is about being drowned in something.
Thank you for this video, man! Great stuff.
Great video like always. Though, I was pretty surprised that The Changing of Times of was completely left out. I think When the Sun Sleeps was the catalyst for what was to come and definitely helps shed light on the transition into their new sound.
DAMN! Dropping These Arms are Snakes and Blood Brothers on us? Legends. I saw Blood Brothers live 3 or 4 times in one year . That was a great year.
I saw them a few times back around 2000 or so
These Arms are Snakes Russian Circles ... Ben Verellen is a monster!
Last show I saw before I joined the Navy was Blood Brothers, MeWithoutYou, and Coheed & Cambria. Was a ton of fun.
I saw The Blood Brothers open for the Used and Taking Back Sunday back in 2003 and was the single best live performance that I've seen to this day
@@bobroberts5872 Heck yeah man! I saw that line up too! The New Transit Direction opened for them. I saw them at TREES in Dallas. Some kid in the crowd yelled out at Blood Brothers "YOU SUCK!" during a song change so it was quiet and the bass player goes "Who said that!?" and looked in the crowd, the kid owned up to it. The bass player then jumped in the crowd punching him a few times then security kicked that kid out and BB kept playing. Much respect. LOL
This band means so much to so many people. It’s been very special to grow up along listening to them, it’s pretty special!
Agreed ❤
My parents were so strict that I couldn’t listen to alternative or heavy music of any kind, even the stuff that was branded Christian. I have a memory of pitching TFK’s Phenomenon in my parent’s room and my dad shooting it down. I had a cool friend at my homeschool co-op though that I would hang out with in his car after class and we’d listen to music. I remember listening to American Idiot and They’re Only Chasing Safety and I was blown away. When I was 17 my dad finally said I could choose my own music (only after giving me a lecture about making good choices). I went right out to Berean Christian Bookstore and Define The Great Line was the first album I bought with my new freedom.
I hope you realize that your parents were trying to look out for you. Mine left me to raise myself and now, as an adult, my relationship with them is non-existant because they hardly ever took an interest in what I did.
@@RobotDCLXVI Yeah of course, they always had my best interest at heart and did what they thought was best from their point of view. As a parent myself that’s all we can ever do and I don’t hold anything against them. Sorry to hear about your situation, I can see how it’s all about perspective.
I’ve loved Underoath since I first heard them in about 2005 when I was 14. Never stopped listening to them since, and yet after all that time of being a fan, I still learned some new stuff from this video. Very well done, and much appreciated!
yes!, ive been waiting for this!
also hope everyone has a good day!
I saw them with Zao and mewithoutyou when they had Dallas still, it was right before he left. They had an insane energy. Also, That's totally a picture of These arms are Snakes not Botch lol. Love these kinds of riffs, the Botch guys even makes jokes about it on their live DVD commentary, Good video.
Great clip. Great band. I love the fact that you are not even a huge fan of their music but that you gave credit where credit is due.
The stuff they been releasing for their upcoming album is brilliant! Been my go to music lately
Lost in the sound of separation has the perfect sound production quality for that genre of music I suggest anyone interested to give it a listen
Lost in the Sound of Separation is in my top 5 best/fav albums of all time. The kaleidoscopic live DVD/Album split is worth buying as well for those who haven’t watched it. Underoath is one of the most special bands to me and I will love them forever. Also, Maylene’s first two records are fucking incredible for those interested in Dallas’s post UO escapades. Dirty ass southern metal. Like Skynard with breakdowns.
Bro. It’s so hard to find history of this kind of stuff! You are awesome.
These guys are the reason I got into metal, and they’re still one of my favs to this day. 🤘
Spencer is one of the best screamers of all time I thought when I went to see them live it wouldn’t sound as good but it sounded soooooo close to the recording
Probably the band that got me into metal! Love Spencer and Aaron ❤️
Sometimes I wish I could go back wait till I’m older to appreciate hearing lost in the sound of separation because it along with define the great line we’re my two first heavy albums and I’ve literally been hooked ever since.
You mentioning how dark and abrasive the album is gave me new eyes for the work as a whole.
I appreciate it sir
Maaaaaaaaaan everytime you do one of these videos on a band I love I have to spend 2 hours driving around blaring my old favorite songs. And I love it. Preordered the new UO album, should be here soon!
I remember while watching NOFX at warped tour, Fat Mike referred to Mxpx as "Jesus' favorite punk band". Funny stuff.
They probably were you know ...
Mxpx sucks so bad they got boooooooed of stage in Austin at a Fugazi show and Ian had to come on stage and settle the crowd!
The singer of MxPx is now an atheist.
@@Interestingenough4 That's life, Change is the Only Constant
Also never take anyone else's word for it even if the horse told you, the horse could just be lying
The Sun still sleeps song was played in heavy rotation back in the day... On cassette tape. From a 89.5 WSOU Hardcore-Reality session. Good vibes back then. ALSO... DO GLASSJAW. It's time. We want your in depth perspective. Hate or like.
Ayyyy, a fellow Jersey boi
i work for an axe throwing club as an instructor. I actually have a youth group coming in tomorrow for an hour to throw. this just gave me the perfect playlist idea that i never would have thought about from deep in my youth. thanks man