Put the COOL back in Cooling Tin - Fixing Aftermarket Tinware VW Split Bus Restoration Vandemic E11
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2020
- Soooo many holes in this cooling tin… grab the welder and settle in because we have a lot to fix here. We uncover some fatal flaws in the aftermarket fan shroud and fix some wear and tear, all to keep this old engine alive just a little bit longer. It’s a chore, but it’s actually a lot of fun to do some tin bending that ultimately keeps your engine happy. Join us for the fun, stay for the tips and tricks!
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I just figured out my alternator gets hotter than the engine case. First thing I thought of was this video. Sure enough, my shroud was not notched for the alternator vent. I'm now going through the engine and fixing anything I can find and your videos are helping me with that, so THANKS!
That's great @LongshotGarage, good job finding & fixing the issue. Glad to be a small part of your progress. Thanks for watching!
Just wanted to say we are installing aftermarket tins on rebuilt 1600 and your series of videos on "put the COOL back in Cooling Tin" has been a big help. Than You! who would know that new aftermarket tins would be so ill fitting. I'm lucky my nephew is so talanted with sheet metal and Mig welding; great mechanic too. Tom Sawyer Racing.
Oh that's cool Charles (pun intended), glad to be a small part of the progress. Good to have talented people around, good luck on the rest of the project and thanks for watching!
Hey. Thanks man. Dialing in the tins right now. This little series really helped.
Very cool @sdfilmfolks, you're welcome. Good luck on the project!
Excellent video. Great attention to detail. The difference is in the details.
Thanks Sky Top, this was a fun deep dive. Thanks for watching!
Ive always clear silacon all the gaps on the backside and the rexist. Dont forget a fresh apron seal along the bottom, front and back.
Nicely done! Always good to see some tinware saved from the scrap heap.
Thanks James, I agree! Would really prefer some original tin, but this tin seemed to work out with a little TLC. Thanks for watching!
Keep it cool and run it longer...win win in my opinion,doing same to my 1500 /1600 P&C singleport engine...in my 59 bug ,I'm building in style of class 11 with some variations...as to bumpers and swingarm,,,I'm going IRS rear,with tube bumpers ....also steering brake,and adjustable brake proportion valve for brake bias
Hey Redd Mann! Love the Class 11 inspired style- it's a tough look for a stock-ish bug. The IRS and brake mods should be nice too. Good luck with the project and let us know how it goes!
I am learning so much from your videos!
I've always heard that aftermarket tins are problematic and now I know why. Nice work getting them up to snuff!
That's great to hear Dream Wrench! Yeah, a few disappointments lurk in the details here. Thanks for the thumbs up and checking out the video!
Awesome video!
You are a man of many grinders! Lol.
Some people do not realize how poorly aftermarket items do not fit and need to be worked on to make it right.
Cant wait to see that bus runnin.
Hey Vintage Speed VW! Thanks, I'm glad you liked it. Yeah, seems like a lot of finished products come in kit form. It'll be great to cruise around in this thing on a regular basis, looking forward to sharing all of it! Thanks for being a part here, and keep those VW and launch videos coming!
This was some VERY NICE work! I really enjoyed watching it!
Thanks @culturedredneckgarage3784 it was a fun project. Lots of tin bending but nothing needed to look perfect; just had to fit!
Yes, planning on Bug Jam on sunday
Cool! I may be running around with a camera, in the swap meet, or both but I look forward to meeting you regardless!
Another great one brother! All great practical information any air-cooled owner should know! FANTASTIC editing as always!
Thanks JW Classic VW, and its beyond great to have you here- was concerned for a while there. Thanks for the kudos and tell Goose that Dweezil says hey (in fweemian, of course.)
Getting the tins right is really fiddly work, but really pays off. My Beetle has a combination of original tins with some aftermarket stuff, EVERYTHING had to be messed with in some way. Was fun to watch you do a lot of the same things. The payoff- my bug stays cool even on 90 degree days. And yes, we do get 90 degree days in northern Wisconsin!
Hey Nutt Farm Garage, well said. I appreciate the solidarity but sorry you had to go through that too! I'm glad you liked the video and keep treating your Beetle nice, it's in good hands!
Your job is amazing!! Thanks a lot from Brazil!!
Thanks Pierry!
Rewatched this video, cause now Iam going through my cooling tin. Turns out theirs more than a few piece’s missing. Hope to run into you at a VW show. Again thanks for all your videos they are very enjoyable.
Thanks Andrew, glad to share. It would be great to meet you- maybe Bug Jam?
Great tin work
Thanks @hjonedmonds!
good stuff
Thanks VW Life!
Excellent work on the tins , these are so important for the aircooled engine
You've got that right vwcoco, important part of keeping these tough little engines happy for the long term. Thanks for watching and best of luck with the new projects!
Thanks i learnd alot , now you only need a oiltemp gage to see your fix 100%.
Oh wow, Manie- great minds think alike! It may take a while to install it, but I've collected a gauge and sender to do exactly what you are suggesting. Thanks for being a part of the process!
I finally got the opportunity watch this, the latest episode of Vandemic. I appreciate your metal work. I always knew the engine tin was key to the operation of the engine. However, with this I can see how many ways it could be problematic. Thank you again for keeping it clean and to the point. Also, I would like to point out that I truly appreciate your video editing skills. I know that takes a great amount of time.
Wow Mofoco 1432, thanks so much for the awesome comment! I'm really pleased that you find value in the info and how it is delivered. Also, thanks for the thumbs up on editing. It's time consuming but I enjoy the creative process and you & everyone else watching are worth it! Thanks for watching and being a part of the fun!
Great video lots of good info !
Thanks Robert, I'm glad you like it! By the way, the car in your profile picture looks like a ton of fun!
Was man weiß und was man wissen sollte. Ich wusste nicht viel, aber habe gut dazu gelernt. Hab vielen Dank, mach weiter so und bleib gesund!
Hallo Christof, ich bin froh, dass du das Video als hilfreich empfunden hast. Danke fürs Zuschauen, es ist toll, dich hier zu haben. Ich werde mein Bestes tun, um in Sicherheit zu bleiben - du machst das Gleiche!
Excellent job on the tin work. 👍👍
Thanks Mike, I'm glad you like it. Thanks for always being a part!
Yes!! My favorite thing!!.. doing some metal work! Great Vid! 👍
Hey Rob! Yeah, this was extra fun because it didn't have to be pretty! Seems you guys have been up to a little metal work too on the slammed Winnie project. Think you guys will be ready for Bug Jam?
@@HapticGarage Well I know Ryan is pretty motivated on this one but there's still a long way to go... Maybe Bug Jam 2021 lol.
@@RobStapleton Understandable, it's a big project (see what I did there?). It'll be a game changer when it's done!
Nice job, nice soundtrack, nice video edition. You guys are doing a really good show.
Thanks KOMBI BATUTA, I'm glad you're enjoying the series. We'll do our best to keep it up. Thanks for the awesome comment and for being a part of the fun!
Nice, nice work on that fan shroud! Excellent editing too keep the work rolling and interesting. I'm really getting into your videos. Also, I admire your ethic to refine parts and make them work correctly rather than pitch them because they don't fit like the originals. Really makes me appreciate the original German parts even more. Keep up the great work!
Hey Steve! It's great to hear you're enjoying the videos, this continues to be a fun project to share. You're right about the original German tins, waaaayyyy better fit and design. We'll keep using what we've got to make this engine's parts work as well as possible. Thanks for watching!
I admire your attention to details. Awesome job :)
Thanks Robby, we just get so immersed in VW fun it can't be helped. Thanks for the positivity and for being a part of the channel!
Nice metalwork.Greetings.HCS
Thanks Hubertus, you're not to bad at it yourself! Keep up the good work on that single cab!
@@HapticGarage Hi, Thanks will do. waiting for your next video.Greetings :
Typical good video. A lot of fun. I think this is probably the best and most creative video editing and composition you’ve done. Very impressive!
Thanks Ken, I always appreciate your feedback. We'll do lunch again soon. Thanks for the positive comments and for always being here!
I really enjoyed this. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Old German Steel, it's my pleasure to share the project. Thanks for watching!
Thanks! Your videos on Cooling tins was a life saver. Appreciate what you do.
This is amazing, thanks so much Charles!
You are an artist as well as an engineer.
Wow, thanks Robert! I guess that makes me an artineer...err... or an engintist... uh... nevermind, you said it way better. Thanks for watching!
Powder paint is the best paint for engine tin.
Power coating does seem like a good way to do this. A little more expensive and touch ups aren't the same but the power coated tin I've seen all looked nice. Thanks for watching!
Great undertaking; you should’ve restored the OEM fan housing and used it instead. No substitute for the OEM stuff. OEM housing has some vanes that most of the aftermarket units don’t have. The Scat 36 hp style units are better than the rest of the replacement stuff. Still, fully understand your decision as explained and it makes for great entertainment. Don’t forget the bottom tins on the engine; a lot of people remove many parts from these engines, from thermostats and flaps to pieces of the engine tin components, Hoover bit, doghouse exhaust ducting, foam around the oil cooler, front or back tins and engine compartment gaskets. They are all essential to the proper functioning and cooling of the motor. If any were disposable you can bet those smart German engineers would’ve done away with them to save in production costs 😉. Thanks for sharing! Killer music in the video too!
Hey Ricardo! Yeah, I prefer the OEM stuff too for it's build quality and faithfulness to the original and complete design. I think you'll like Episode 13 where we deal with the lower tins: ua-cam.com/video/NybEMzEn3Jk/v-deo.html
An upcoming video will give some attention to the doghouse but sadly, this housing has no thermostat mounting holes or cutouts for the linkages. If I were to do this over I would consider modifying the housing accordingly. Woulda-coulda-shoulda. In a future build I'll be using the OEM housing that was set aside along with a lot of other stock goodies. I'm glad you are enjoying the videos, thanks for being a part of the fun!
Great video! Such attention to detail. This really helps me out to see how someone works thru some of these problems. Thanks!
Thanks Jeff, I'm glad you find this helpful and am happy to have you with us!
Looking good brother!
Thanks bro, I appreciate the support!
Great video. I had a fantastic time watching you devise solid solutions to those PITA everyday problems. You've inspired me to take a whack at salvaging the original engine tin on my Thing
Thanks so much for the awesome feedback John! I think you'll be happier with restored original tin than some of the alternatives. Plus, it's a fun project. Thanks for watching!
I'm in the process of repairing my tins.. this video gave me alot more details of what I had in mind. AWESOME VIDEO!!!
Thanks!!
Thanks Claudio, I'm glad it was helpful. I hope your project is going great!
Your awesome thanks
Thanks for watching Adam, glad to have you with us!
I just discovered an subbed to your page. I'm also a patron of Triangle Auto parts.
Thanks Treacherous_One, great to have you with us. We're lucky to have that shop!
Great details on a over looked item, the after market tins are so poorly made. I had a set of cylinder tins and after wasting way to much time trying to correct them located a set of orginal tin, amazing the difference in fit up.
Hey Dan! Always great to hear from you. You're right- these were pretty sloppy. I know what is on my shopping list when we get to have swap meets again! Thanks for being here- I hope all is well up north!
Just subbed great to watch, So so good thank you so much for taking the time to explain... and share the details ... so good to learn from thank you!
Thanks for watching Matt, glad to share and I hope your project goes well!
Muito bom Haptic que voce coloca legenda ..... otimos videos sempre ....
Olá Luciano, obrigado por mencionar! Fico feliz em editar as legendas automáticas para quem as usa; cerca de 10% dos espectadores do Haptic Garage assistem com eles ligados, por isso é importante para mim garantir que as legendas estejam claras e disponíveis! É sempre bom ouvir de você - obrigado por estar aqui!
Hey man Kevin here from Australia. That was a very satisfying video now if could box up that set of tins and send them off to CHINNAA and hopefully just maybe we might get some tins that actually fit.
Anyhoo stay safe and stay well.
✌ Peace man.
Yeah Kevin, I'd be happy to send it off it meant we'd get better stuff. I'm glad you liked the video and your description is perfect. You stay safe and well too, and thanks for being a part!
a lot of time you need that road draft tube to have proper ventilation. Only the smaller engines 40hp and 36hp did not have the road draft tube. maybe some of the early 1500s. Best to have one on there so you dont get case pressure.....this will cause engine oil to leak seemingly from everywhere.
So glad I ran across your channel. All this work is tedious but so necessary when all you have is air! I just subscribed and am a big fan! ( no pun intended!)
Good one David, it's great to have you with us! Yes, these little engines work hard and run hot. Turns out it's a fun project too. Thanks for watching!
Fantastic video and I loved the attention to detail. I’m a pedant by trade, so seeing the effort going in to eliminating faults and failures warmed the cockles. Well done 👍. I’m in the middle of preserving the original tins on my ‘62 Ghia and I’ll take the extra time to do it justice. Love your work. Cheers Richard
Hey Aussie Beatle, thanks for the thumbs up! I got a chuckle out of "pedant by trade", I've probably been accused of the same on occasion. There's a lot of discovery available in a good cooling tin audit; you start to see the role of pressure in routing the air where it belongs. In that light, any little gap starts to look like a big problem. Enjoy the process! It's always great to hear from you and I'm glad you liked the video!
Haptic Garage I look forward to your videos very much, they’re very entertaining, great sound tracks and clever editing... and oh yes, the VW knowledge shared is fantastic!
Thanks so much Aussie Beatle, that's great to hear. I appreciate all of your comments and I'm especially glad that you find value in the information; it's nice to share!
Very Nice 😎🇧🇷. A Volkswagen faz e a gente melhora showww
Obrigado hamilton! Sim, a VW nos deu um ótimo começo, mas é bom melhorar o que somos capazes. Obrigado por assistir!
Great to see a new upload! I was getting impatient lol This one was motivational. I use original tins almost exclusively but after years of abuse they can be lacking also. I should probably attempt to give them at least half the attention you gave these next time I dress a motor instead of just trusting them since they are VW tins. Keep the content coming!
Hey Adam, thanks for hanging in there- this one did take a little longer to wrap up. I agree, everything is worth checking but it seems used original stuff can be better than new aftermarket stuff. I bet if we were willing to pay a little more for the good stuff there would be more of it! Thanks for the awesome comment and for checking out the video. I'll do my best to keep it up!
Your guess about the generator cooling is correct. The fan does cause a low pressure situation which draws air through the generator and through that gap in the shroud.
Hey Vistable, always great to hear from you. Thanks for the +1 on the generator cooling. Those VW engineers were clever buggers. Thanks again!
Have worked with blowers of this design I thank the entire housing becomes pressurized and there is no negative pressure in the housing. The fan is probably more than capable of pressurizing the fan housing. Therefore the conclusion would be flowing out of the generator
I agree. The entire shroud should be pressured, air flow should be out through the generator.
Great video! Skipped a lot of fitment issues on my74 beetle when building the motor for it! Makes me wanna take back out and fix all mine now! Good work!!!
Thanks Adam, sounds like a good winter project! Until then, enjoy the cruising weather in beautiful TN!
@@HapticGarage yes sir! I say your bus at bug jam but never saw you! Was wondering if the tin work helped the oil pressure problems?
Sorry we missed each other at Bug Jam- I was on the go pretty much the whole time and wished it could have continued another day or two. I do believe the tin work has helped the oil pressure issue- no more flashing light at hot idle like I recall from before. Of course, the idea is hot oil is thinner and makes less pressure. Just add that to the list of reasons to have tin ware in good form. Thanks for the question and I hope to see you at a show soon!
Thanks for the info! I think I have talked myself into that project on mine! Thanks for the videos! Keep them coming!
This is some great content. I did most all this to my old bug way back when. I just binge watched most of your Vandemic content. Excellent channel. Subscribed.
Thanks for checking out the videos CoolAirVw Rm, it's great to have you with us!
@@HapticGarage In the meantime I binged watched all the beetle stuff. Poor beetle got put to the back burner again for the van.
Yeah... Dweezil has been patient. On the brighter side, my time in the garage these days is largely spent working on Dweezil and I'm hanging on to the goal of being on the road by year's end. Gonna be tough but it's a motivating target! Thanks again for watching CoolAirVw RM, it's great to have you with us!
@@HapticGarage video' coming up on recent Dweezil progress? (no pressure! )
@@CoolAirVw No worries CoolAirVw Rm, I like the gentle nudge. Yes... the return of Dweezil videos will follow one more Project Vandemic video. The bus has been fun to share but I'm ready for the bug!
Thank God you got rid of that yellow paint! It looked like a gang of kindergarteners had gotten ahold some art supplies and had their way with it. XD It'll look a lot better once it's a proper color!
Yeah, no kidding GilmoreLion! I'm sorry to say it will take longer to eradicate it from the engine bay, but at least the engine itself will no longer look like breakfast. Thanks for being here!
this is my first view of your channel, vw jawbreaker told me about your channel, i subbed
Hey Gilbert, thanks for taking a look! VW Jawbreaker is cool guy and a great friend of the VW community. I hope you like what you see here and look forward to bring more videos your way!
@@HapticGarage i'm watching all your videos one by one, beats the reruns on tv
That's awesome Gilbert! Thanks for checking out the videos and supporting the fun!
Nice! Now the filler...😬😆 When i remove my engine I will look into it! Tnx
Ya know Davy, you've got something there- I've seen some gorgeous cooling tin that may have gotten the filler treatment. Not sure it's my thing, but some people really take engine aesthetics to the next level and it blows me away every time. Hopefully your cooling tine is in good shape but it's awesome that you're going to take a look. Good luck and let us know how it goes! Thanks for watching and being a part here!
Brent UA-cam needs a new Haptic Garage episode...also check out my first two VW episodes!
Hey Backyard Kombi! Thanks for the encouragement- working on the next video right now. I'll pop over to your channel and have a look. Good to see you again!
I have one observation at about 19:40 min in you are refabing the main fan shroud hole that goes to the base of the dog house adoptor. Is there a need for air flow there or is the design left over from when the oil cooler was originally in that spot. It would be much easier to just plug off that part if air flow was not needed.
Hi Charles! If you're thinking of the space between the lowest vanes in the shroud, I think that could be closed off without causing catastrophic failure but... it appears designed to allow some air to flow over the adapter and on to the 3/4 cylinder head. I'd prefer to verify that bottom piece goes right up to the adapter to prevent air from dumping out the bottom. Great question!
Cool video... I'm wondering if your use of the word cool was intended as a pun? Lol. I've made the fatal error of having my tin powder coated before improving the fit.. Oh well.
Who? Me? A pun? No.... not me.... well, maybe. Ooooo powder coated tin, I bet that looks awesome. I'm told that's the way to go for keeping it in good shape for the long haul. Hopefully it fits well enough as is, and best of luck on the remainder of your build! Thanks for checking out the video!
@@HapticGarage thanks man, look forward to the next instalment. Powder coating does look good. It's pretty durable up to a point.
What tin are you using
Great video! Did you fix that cross threaded spark plug in another video?
Thanks Henry, it's still holding on so I haven't needed to fix it yet. I prefer to avoid thread repair inserts in heads but I'll be sure to include the repair if it comes up in the future. Thanks for watching!
@@HapticGarage Is there a reason for avoiding thread inserts? I saw another video where the guy replaced all four just to be on the safe side.
@@HapticGarage Part of the reason I am asking is because my buddy just bought a bug and one of the spark plug shot out of the engine. We are guessing it was cross threaded by the previous owner.
This one comes down to a personal judgement, so I won't question the guy who chose to use inserts on his engine. I treat case savers the same way as he did the plug repair- probably good to just go ahead and do all of them. For the head repair inserts I see a couple issues. It's a little more difficult to drill the damaged threads square to the mounting surface (been there, will try it differently next time). Especially if the head is on the engine and then you also have to deal with swarf getting into the combustion chamber. I've also had these inserts stick to the plug better than the head, which seems like a good way to cause the same damage again. There's something to be said about the different rates of heat expansion in aluminum and steel, further complicating the issue. I could see trying this to get a few more miles out of a head but view it as damaged and wouldn't want it as a starting point. Lastly, the best way to do this would be off the engine, and then it's not too much more to replace the head with an undamaged one. After lots of unscientific tinkering I'm of the opinion that it's difficult to save a VW cylinder head practically and reliably. I've had good luck in never removing plugs when the engine is hot, only use a wrench for the final tightening/loosening, and carefully put a dab of copper anti-seize on the threads. I hope this helps!
@@HapticGarage thank you for the info! I will pass it on to my friend.
The fan blows air and draws air through
Thanks for watching Brian!
Did you ever hook up the oil pressure guage?
Thanks for the question hammah. We had a gauge on the test stand- check out Episode 15 for all the details. Spoiler alert: good cooling makes a difference!
@@HapticGarage thanks I am going back thru the episodes a second time I will make sure to note it!
Thanks hamma, it's great to have you with us!
It pays not to second guess VW engineers cooling system
Holy Christ how does engine tin become that dented?
Yeah, kinda gets beat up. Seems the sled tins get the worst of it.
First! 😁
Nice shootin' Tex!
Haptic Garage great video man, always top notch work! The hole in the bottom of the generator plate, you’re assumption is correct being a low pressure spot that helps pull air through the generator.... that’s how I understand it anyway.
Great work as always, good to see you making progress.
Thanks VWJAWBREAKER, and thanks for the confirmation. These things are fascinating beasts!
@@HapticGarage Again amazing work like always ! Great editing i love how you go to black and white very nostalgic !
@Neal Christensen Thanks Neal, I'm glad you like it! I like the B&W thing too, has that cool feel to it and is within my humble abilities. Thanks for noticing the details and for being a part of the channel!
I fitted bigger undertins beneath the barrels, never overheats , good work your doing but get rid of the shaggy mop on your face,
Thanks for the kudos but the beard is non-negotiable