The Dark Deception of Kelly Turner: A Story of Munchausen by proxy
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- In this disturbing episode of True Crime Stories, Emma Kenny delves into the chilling case of Olivia Grant , a child victim of her mother's sinister deception. This is the shocking story of a mother who went to unimaginable lengths to garner attention and sympathy, ultimately leading to her daughter's untimely death.
Olivia Gant was portrayed as a terminally ill child by her mother, Kelly Turner, who spun an intricate web of lies about her daughter's health. Emma discusses the disturbing diagnosis of Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy, a form of child abuse where a caregiver fabricates or induces illness in a child to attract attention or sympathy.
Emma painstakingly details how Turner manipulated medical professionals, leading them to perform unnecessary and harmful procedures on Olivia. She also investigates how this deception could have been sustained for so long without intervention, bringing attention to the potential loopholes in the medical system and the need for better safeguards.
She examines the horrifying sequence of events that led to Olivia's death and Turner's subsequent arrest and trial. A deep dive into the psychology of Kelly Turner provides an insight into what could motivate a mother to harm her child in such a way.
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Crazy how doctors will track a patient's history when it comes to prescribing pain killers... but remove a little girl's intestine without proof of illness and no background documentation or testing to confirm the need of surgery. 🙄
i know god forbid anyone have pain relief
@aquastar4336 THANK YOU!!! 👏👏👏❤❤❤️🙏🙏🙏
I'm lying here after a failed spinal fusion, with 3 part's of my lumbar spine just not connected at all, just waiting for 2 more full day spinal surgeries, front and back, to try repair the non union of the screws etc, yet I go to the hospital, desperate after losing over 5kg in 2 week's because I'm in so much pain I cannot eat, and lying here exhausted and beyond emotional with a beautiful son with severe special needs to care for, and I am told I'm already on some pain relief (that's been a stable dose for YEAR'S due to complex regional pain syndrome etc) so to go home and wait for surgery.
Sorry for that massive rant, but long story short, you are SPOT ON!!! ❤❤❤🙏🙏🙏💐💐💐
@@kristi_vera_parkerI hope you get better soon 🙏🏻 sending love and healing
@@suann9790 God Bless you, sweetheart ❤️❤️❤️😘😘😘🙏🙏🙏
Thank you so so much 💐💐💐
I'm in the hospital now, and will be taken to pre op at about 5 or 6am in the morning. Then the next say will be the same.
I truly cannot tell you guy's just how much the support means to me ✨✨✨
Take care, and stay safe 😊😊😊
@@kristi_vera_parkerpraying for you Kristi and your beautiful baby! I hope your surgery goes perfect and you get some relief! Rant away darlin!❤ I feel your frustration and pain. I battle with back and neck issues and the pain and I’m also a full time caregiver to my dad with Alzheimer’s and my son is autistic!❤ sending you soo much love! Keep your head up and power thru honey! You have got this!
Retired psychologist here🤫 I don’t have a commitment to the diagnosis of “ Munchausen by Proxy” - I consider the attention seeking behaviour as child abuse. I lose all professional detachment whenever I see child abuse. Unfortunately in my career, I’ve observed parents who sought attention through their child’s complex conditions. My alarm bells went off whenever a care giver catasrophised their child’s condition or behaviours. Everyone involved in the “care” of Olivia has failed Olivia & they were complicit in her murder😞
The best and most respected comment I’ve seen. From a professional this is key.
Question always because better that then regret.
I’m not in the medical field but I always felt the “Munchausen by Proxy” was child abuse. Why is it “ sugar “ coated in the medical field protecting the abuser?
I agree 100%. I studied child abuse, a field I wanted to make a difference in, and I wasn't strong enough. Anyone in the field to help a child that's been/being abused, had my upmost respect! ❤️🙏
I too find the name irrelevant, but the act, child abuse! It's a shame that doctors don't pay attention to their patients and rely on parents still to this day! This should be on the mind of every doctor 100% of the time with any child. I have someone in my family that does this... and apparently with all the reports, she is a better liar than they think...or they think it's just not that serious. For example, she has 7 kids in her care (only 3 related) yet they all have been diagnosed with adhd, asthma, had tonsils taken out, now pushing for 2 to be diagnosed with autism. There are more things but this is just a brief summary. No one does anything or questions her about it. 😢
@ Becky Barker report to doctor
I'm soooooo piss'd how in the world Docs do'n surgeries on this child, DIDN'T the do chk-ups b-4 go'n in on this baby??? How can they. "take the word of this sick B****"... & She's not a Doc... They're treat'n this child on the word of this evil piece of S***... Allllll these Docs are GUILTY😢😢 they're in the medical fields.... NOT HER!! They're hands put tubes & tooks part in all what happened ..... They have certificate's NOT HER!!! W one goes 2a Doc, they're supposed to run tests then take actions... I'm baffled at not one Doc of allllllll those saw it right to NOT do this to a very HEALTHY child.... I'm heartbroken 💔💔💔💔💔😭😭
Cases like this make me SO angry. When I was working in a hospital once years ago we had a "munchy" mom who had convinced her poor daughter that she had food allergies to basically everything but camel milk and cashews. Legitimately. This poor girl was very nearly a legal adult and she weighed less than 50lbs. Poor thing was pure skin and bones. She was TERRIFIED of food to the point that she would genuinely believe that her throat was swelling shut if she ate something not "approved of" by her mother (no actual medical signs of anything even approaching an anaphylactic reaction or even mild allergy). People like this are the lowest of the low.
Damn thats rough to read. Did she get better? Was she able to escape her mother?
@@nadmartin99 I honestly don't know. We managed to get her semi stable enough to leave our unit and I never heard about her after that. 😓 I hope she's ok
Please say someone at the hospital reported this :(
@@duchessofhazjack4878social workers were involved and she had someone from our staff sitting in with her at all times to try to mitigate things and at least make sure she was eating the "approved" foods but at least on my end being the medical side we were more concerned with getting her medically stable. I pray the social workers were able to do something. She was such a sweet girl. We talked for hours about just random stuff when I was assigned to sit with her.
Emma, i want to thank you for not saying that people "suffer" from Munchausen's. I am so sick of people saying the perpetrator is the one suffering the abuse instead of the child! Again, thank you. 💕💕
How true, They in no way suffer, They thrive on the attention they couldn't be more happy. It's a shame that they don't, They really don't even suffer once they've been found out, Nooo they get even more attention and put in Medical Mental Health Hospitals where they receive even more attention from Dr's and Nurses 😳🤔🙄🤢🖤
Agreed. No doubt, there is something very mentally ill within a person like that, but its still criminal and its abuse. Society can’t afford to downplay abuse, simply on account of mental illness.
@@piecesoftheheart9231true, if a parent couldn't care for their child as the result of a physical illness, the child would be placed with family or some other option. Should be the same if the parent can't care for their child due to serious mental illness. I have mental illness so I'm not unsympathetic, the kids must be safe.
Absolutely
I had it in reverse. By that I mean I had a legitimate disease. I have had JRA(Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis) since age 3. My parents belonged to a church denomination that believed ONLY God healed. So they ignored my disease and ONLY discovered the disease when at age 5 in first grade the School Officials told my parents take her to the dr and find out WHAT is going on or take her out of school. This was 56 yrs ago so homeschooling wasn't an option. So they did take me in for a LOT of tests and that's when I received the JRA diagnosis. However my parents refused to treat it and yes they wanted to treat me. My Mother though used my diagnosis as a way to keep me isolated, keep me from having friends, wouldn't allow me to do after school activities etc..growing up. She came up with some VERY abusive "treatments" as my Mother referred to them trying to convince me these things would "heal" my JRA. My knees were horrible swollen and disfigured, one arm was much longer than another, I weighed just 50 pounds in high school etc... NO ONE helped me. I broke my hip badly at the age of 15 and my parents refused to take me to the Hospital for 3 days! By the time they finally called an ambulance my hip was so badly twisted they had to take me a hour away to the Trauma Hospital in Dallas. I was put in traction for 3 days then finally they pinned and screwed my hip back. I was told I would never walk again.
My Mother would never introduce me to friends as "my daughter Nancy" but as "my crippled child". No amount of begging and crying would stop this. She was focused on that "oh how awful" remarks she always received from people as well as "you have SO much to handle. How AWFUL for you"! My Mother convinced me that NO man would want me, find me attractive and want to marry me let alone have children with them. I finally realized if I EVER was getting out of that house I had to leave and not tell anyone. So I planned for a day when I knew both my parents would be gone and I packed up EVERYTHING I could put in my car in one hours time. I left them a note and I never looked back. It is also important to note I was being sexually abused by my Mother as well as other abuses. If you would like to hear my story this one covers much of what I went through though I do have nine other interviews here if you want to hear more of my story. Thanks for all that you do!
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I'm a critical care nurse and I am constantly baffled by cases of factitious disorder/factitious disorder by proxy. I can understand the psychology of a person who might have this disorder, but I cannot fathom how they manage to get so many unnecessary procedures. How do you get your child a colostomy when she has a totally functioning colon? Sure you can _claim_ she's having chronic constipation, but if all of her diagnostic imaging is normal and she appears to be having unaided bowel movements, what surgeon is signing off on this?!? I just can't wrap my head around it. Maybe I just work with some incredible physicians but none of this crap would be tolerated in my ICU.
This isn't to the same degree but it might offer some level of explanation. I, like many others with my condition, was misdiagnosed as having Type 2 Diabetes as an adult. An ER doc put it in my chart when I presented in diabetic ketoacidosis on diagnosis. This already is a red flag, as that almost always means Type 1 diabetes, not Type 2. But because he wrote that down, in spite of not being qualified to make the diagnosis, it was assumed I had it and for two years doctors, including more specialized doctors, just went with it. In the meantime, I was put on some medications and a sliding scale of insulin, with very little guidance for treatment. I learned on my own and made lifestyle changes but just got sicker and sicker, including going into DKA a few more times. It would be two years before a doctor finally questioned it and sent me to an Endocrinologist, who immediately recognized that I had Type 1 diabetes and that my treatment was not aggressive enough for that condition (the two diseases, in spite of the name, are not that similar). Once my chart was changed and my treatment adjusted, my downward spiral was halted and I started to do much better. But I could have very well ended up with serious problems due to that ER doctor and no one questioning what he wrote in my chart.
Often, medical professionals will literally just go based on what is written, even when the symptoms don't match up to the diagnosis. Likewise, if your symptoms or the treatment don't match a flowchart, you are out of luck unless you find a doctor willing to think outside the box (I also have an autoimmune disease and this is another lesson I have learned).
That can explain how something like this can happen. All it takes is one doctor writing a diagnosis on a chart to start things in motion. That can be a good or a bad thing, depending on the situation. So if the mother in this case managed to get a single doctor to take her seriously and write what she had said in a chart, it can be all required to back up what she is saying. Even if other doctors have doubts, they will often treat without pushback based on what their colleagues have said or done in the past, especially if they are in understaffed, underpaid positions and have too many patients. If the mother came across a doctor who refused or tried to do something she didn't like, she could just go find another one who didn't question her and went based on the chart.
It all comes down to money. In Canada we can’t get the basic care that we actually need leave alone extra care that we don’t need thanks to universal healthcare because what’s in it for them?. When the doctors are making money they’ll do the procedures.
Medical child abuse also includes the use of medications to exacerbate systems
And yet I've seen in Europe sick children and youngsters being taken in to mental health care to prove they are NOT sick. Unbearable suffering for both sides of this coin.
Little Olivia looks such a darling in her photos and videos.
Hearing you talk about your friend passing made me want to share this:
I think that sometimes people just know when they're supposed to go. My dad had Alzheimer's & End Stage Renal Failure. I helped care for him for the last several years of his life. When he decided that he had enough of hospitals & surgeries, he just wanted to be at home in his own bed with his family & his ugly little dog.
The last week of his life, he would ask several times every day "Is it raining yet?" We would tell him "No, it's not". The day that he passed, he hadn't spoken in nearly 24 hours. About 10 minutes after it started raining, he took his last breath. It was as if he KNEW that it would be raining when he died & he was just waiting for it.
*Completely off topic, I know*
it’s okay who cares if it’s off topic, ur story left me speechless, that’s insanely interesting
@@valerie-pinkpeach Working in aged care I have seen that a number of times and also when my own husband died. Got a few stories. Some people refuse to die in front of family members because they don't want family to witness something so upsetting and manage to do it while family slip out for a coffee or smoke, one lady who refused to die in front of step-children attending her bedside because she didn't want to give them the satisfaction of them seeing her die. She did tell me that herself. Another lady hung on for days waiting for her favorite grandson to come from over-seas and died several hours after he arrived with him sitting beside her holding her hand. Another lady on oxygen arrived in care feeling discarded by family and told nurse there was no point in living anymore. The nurse said she didn't have to keep fighting to live,she could let go if that's what she wanted. The nurse went to get her dinner tray and when she came back the lady had passed. That quick.!
@@debbiemohekey1509you see some crazy things working in end of life care I have similar stories to yours
Never forget one man he held on til his grandson got back from Dubai died 3 hrs later
Another waited for her kids to arrive died within minutes
Another waited to meet her great grand baby then died in the night
I believe people know I really do when my nan died she called up the night before and was laughing and talking with my dad for awhile now my nan was a miserable woman I don’t think I ever heard her laugh barely saw her smile she died later in that night
I think that the fact he wanted to go once it started raining is poetically beautiful ❤
@@billwilson5341 We kept her. She became a member of my pack of Boxers (& thought that she was as big as them! 🤣) She died last Spring at the age of 18. I like to think She's sitting beside Pop on the bank of a creek in Heaven now. ♥️
16 years?! While someone walking down the street with some coke on them gets sent away for 30!!
Poor Olivia, everyone failed her. Absolutely heartbreaking. My heart goes out to her and her REAL family.
Yes, it's beyond crazy
people have been sitting in jail longer for having an eighth of weed on them in the US
@@mia-xm2ujI hate this narrative. No one that just has a little weed but has never done anything else illegal will go to jail. Honestly usually not even coke if it's just the one time. The only time people go to jail for a long time is when they have already broken the law many times before, break other laws in to of having drugs, OR the amount they have on them is a distribution amount of drugs. I've gotten in trouble for drugs a couple times and it's not necessarily on my record cuz the first time it was deferred and thepurs
dui charges but not possession nor paraphernalia charges. I live in Arizona.
@@mia-xm2uj you can thank Joe Biden for the crime bill he introduced in the 90’s for that!
16 years ??? She destroyed Olivia's life !!! What she did was torture and the legal system was the last system that failed her !!
I have a strong feeling that with the advent of social media, Munchausen by Proxy has increased by crazy numbers
Truth be told, I think that a lot of people had Munchausen by Proxy in the decades before social media, but it wasn't reported because nobody knew what it was. However, I find that I've got to agree with you on this. Not just with the Munchausen by Proxy, but also Munchausen Syndrome.
There used to be a Livejournal Community I followed since they did an exposé on somebody I knew from fandom who faked having terminal cancer and dying from it (only to reappear in the same fandom communities under a different name less than a month later). You'd be surprised by how many people have faked their illnesses or even their deaths for attention.
@@TiffWaffles How did people figure out it was the same person?
Hopefully, since social media provides such a range of attention grabbing opportunities, some people who would otherwise do this take an easier route than harming/killing their child. But there's sadly no shortage of parents who use their kids to grab attention online. So sad.
Nahh. Just the ability for them to get caught.
As someone who grew up in the hospital as a disabled, sick child...this kills me. People don't understand the type of trauma it causes that follows you even in the most simple ways. Like I couldn't stand to have my photo taken because they would tell us they were taking our picture when it was x-ray time, so I always expected something painful afterwards. Or how I had to eat lunch in classrooms because the long lunch tables reminded me of the physical therapy tables they strapped me to in order to make me stand for an hour after being immobile for months, obviously causing excruciating pain. Its hard for all your friends to be suffering like you. To watch them lose their battles, their limbs and their lives. To feel thankful it's not you, but also feel guilty for thinking that.
I mention all that because it should be pointed out that this girls suffering didn't just stay within the medical and physical realms. It followed her everywhere! In every single way.
To think a parent would purposely put their child through that makes me furious! It is SUCH a betrayal, because your parent is the person you cling to in that situation.
When it got to the part where this precious angel sang the Lion King song while her demon mother recorded, I just sobbed. I still have the poster my mom drew me of Simba, Timon and Pumba running on a log that she put up in my hospital room. That woman deserves the worst. And to be honest, this is murder by medical means and the doctors should be charged as well!
This was an amazing comment OP. I cannot imagine how you handled life after so much time in the hospital. So much distress you survived. TY for your post. Best wishes, your comment hurt my heart, it was so honestly put. Your family and mostly YOU, did an amazing job at recovery and I bet you STILL deal with the after effects of whatever hospitalized you as such a young child...
Medical trauma is SO real
I been reported to social services in the UK who discriminate against disable perents I have Ehlers-danlos syndrome and my son inherited this I even have medical expert in our condition send proof my child has it yet social wont except the letter there are only 2 specialists im my country and training in the NHS only started in February of 2022 social and health are privatised and are making profits from adoption of our babys becuse they see us as easy victims all I did was take my son to the hospital for a milk allargy then a senior doctor said il lose my child to social or the grave now im waiting to try and press charges there excuse is fear of emotional harm and it been in thw public news that disable perents in the uk have a 60% higher chance of losing there children just because they are disabled....social services are an absolute joke yet they left baby P to be beaten to death, I can't help passing my debilitating condition on and social services are acting like nazis the only this there not doing is shuving us in gad Chambers yet being born with a genetic condition is trumatizing in its self. Medical say if you hear hoof prints don't expect to see a zebra and the eds mascot a zebra because that's what doctors call us we are so badly trumatizing most people with eds have medical neglect PTSD all we ask is you go and educate yourselfs. Because you're destroying innocent families' lives just to Bosst you egos.
you experienced medical abuse
@Anonymous-wx8gf the problem is that's not how the local authority's see it there never admit when they are abusing people, doctors should be charged more offen and things like this would stop. Unfortunately they get god complex and a system that let's them get away with their abuse.
Listening to this reminds me of when you said in your Gypsy Rose Blanchard video that Dee Dee would have probably killed Gypsy if she wasn't killed first. I was a bit shocked when you said that because I did not think that a mother would kill their child that way but listening to this case now I 100% agree with you.
Garnett Spears is another similar case 😢
@@babyboyz100 Just read about it. Sounds awful. Mental illness should not be excused for parents doing this to their children.
After the gypsy rose case, you would think doctors would be more on top of these issues.
Money talks under a for profit gealthcare system. At the end if the day, they were getting their money and the mother was consenting for them to operate on the child. America is really bad when it comes to children's rights.
You would also think they would understand why gypsy rose done what she done,she should not be in jail,she was the victim not her mum
@@kerribridge8966 no she could of got out and seeked helped she continued to lie after knowing her real age she could of left n gone police or hospital for help by herselflso is out as only got 10 yrs her bf shouldn't of got life
@@kerribridge8966 She was the victim yes but she could have reported it to someone as she was online that's how she met the bf after all. She could have contacted authorities and as stated below she continued to lie about her age and other stuff. Jail is definitely warranted.
@@kezzaward5104 you do realise she was completely groomed by her mother to believe most things she was told,saying she could of just got out and told someone is the same as saying “why didn’t you just leave and tell some one” to a person who suffers from domestic abuse,it’s never that easy to just escape from an abuser and in her case her mother was her abuser so it was even harder,jail was not where she should of been at all….she was the victim
Hospice care does not involve "removing food and drink." A hospice patient is offered food and drink, but if they refuse it, or only prefer one type of food or drink, the patient's choice is respected. Some hospice patients want to eat only ice cream, or other sweets, and that is respected. The food and drink they want is provided to them.
Unfortunately, court ordered removal of "life support" is allowing family members to make these decisions for the patient which has resulted in hundreds of people that want to eat and drink being tortured to death in this horrific manner by "caring" staff.
@TinyStar-oz3bo Very specific criteria must be met before someone can be placed on hospice. And health care workers caring for a hospice patient are trained to do comfort feeding, ie, providing foods the patient likes, and feeding them slowly and patiently if the person can no longer feed themself. Often people on hospice cannot swallow without aspirating, so thickened liquids are provided. At a certain point, the patient can no longer swallow without aspirating, so that I when we begin using a spoon and then a sponge to apply small amounts of liquids to the tongue, as the patient can no longer swallow even pureed food without inhaling it (inhaling food/drink is very painful, so it would be inhumane to continue to try to feed the person solid food). Of course if they can still feed themself, they would be able to continue try to consume what they wish, but constant coughing from inhaling food and drink is very uncomfortable, so it is not likely they would want to continue trying to consume things they are unable to swallow adequately..
I'm just left so confused after this. Did the doctors not run any blood tests? Did they not look at the piece of bowel they removed and see it was actually healthy? Did they not speak to the little girl herself? It's absolute insanity.
Isn't it crazy!?? I can't understand this at all! What were they even thinking??
And yet it took me 2 years of constant tests and scans and hell to get diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis and I'd love them to operate on me!!
I actually am wondering the same. Her intestines were not bad, they would have to remove a healthy piece and then submit it for biopsy. This is just crazy. Doctors just don’t do this. How did she pull the wool over their eyes? It’s like Gypsy Rose.
Maybe they saw it and didn't want to be held accountable so suppressed info.
….the sad thing is, once they removed the portion of small intestine, connected it to the large, added a colostomy and all and THEN went and put in I believe a central line? Maybe began with a PICC line? The potential for ACTUAL medical problems will skyrocket (a central line is prone to infection and the type that quickly evolves into sepsis) one will already begin having nutritional issues simply by not being allowed to eat ‘normally’ (many “tubie” kids when they get off the tubes need to go to a sort of eating rehab) then add to that resection of the small bowel/intestine….yeah…
@Time Lady as someone who has aggressive crohns disease, has had 10 major surgeries to remove a huge amount of bowel, and has had an ileostomy since I was 12 years old because of it, I cannot fathom how they cut out perfectly healthy bowel and were not disturbed or suspicious by that! I have had central lines and hickman lines (central lines but burrowed so it's harder to get infected and can be left in longer) and I had to be critically ill to have those fitted as their so dangerous to have! Once they start operating you get issues with scar tissue and everything, I have real issues eating now and never had any therapy or help for this so I've just started getting real help for that. It's horrific to have stomas,central lines and bowel hacked out especially as a child, this poor child was put through hell and she wasn't even actually sick, that's just heartbreaking 💔
Not really related but i want to share! lol my mother is narcissistic and borderline personality disorder and was the coldest un-motherly woman you can imagine. We literally grew up being made to feel like burdens that she despised. She's truly an awful human being. When I was 32 I got diagnosed with Leukemia and when it was time to start chemo and do a bone marrow transplant things got real ugly for me as one can imagine. I was a basket case and on so many pain killers I was on another planet. My mother showed up in my town to "look after me" and was a complete dramatic nutcase at the hospital every day acting like she was so concerned for me and just getting on everyone's nerves. As high as I was I still knew what was going on and I told my main doctor I wanted her gone. He asked me to verify thats what I wanted and he said "consider it done" because he knew she was mentally ill and was making everything worse. They told her I didnt want her near me anymore, she went completely nuts and freaked out screaming and crying in the hospital, fell to the floor in tears wailing loudly, the whole show basically and was put on a greyhound to go home. I havent talked to her since and that was 20 years ago :) Best thing I ever did.
Good on you! And I'm so glad you've recovered 💛
Glad you recovered. And also, good on you. The last thing you needed at the time was that added stress.
So sorry that you went through that - you deserved a loving, caring mom and I'm sorry you didn't get that. I hope you are/ have healed from that and know it was 100% her.
I was deathly ill as a baby, my first memories are from the hospital where I was treated at. Luckly, I survived and I have no real complitations today. Even to this day, almost 18 years later, when that topic is brought up my mom always tears up. To ever think that you would put your own child through that pain chocks me. To see your child suffer, endless visits to the doctor, feeding your baby medicine that they spit out because it tastes bitter and they dont understand that they need it to live, to have your baby run away and hide in their room because the needles hurt, to have to worry about the illness coming back when its all finally over. And to CHOOSE to do that? Hell has a very special place for this creature.
can't imagine sleepless nights for weeks, and maybe months worrying about your sick child. That's so sad thinking about having the fear that your little ones illness might come back. I don't have children, but I lost nights of sleep just last week, eating very little because i was sick w/anxiety over my beloved cat who was vomiting and coughing/wheezing (thank God It was just allergies from pollen/watching birds at the opened windows). I can't fathom being the cause of any creature/person's illness. Just purely unnatural.
@AB W Me, neither I adore cats. This woman should rot in hell for what she did to her poor child.
100% agree. My daughter was rushed to hospital at 3weeks old because she stopped breathing she went blue and floppy, id already been back and forth from the hospital because she was very stuffy and was struggling with feeding due to not being able to breath. I was told it's a new born it's cold and winter, it's common.
When we got to hospital she was attached to feeding tube (this made me angry because it made her uncomfortable) oxygen tubes and heart trace monitors. This was horrific to see thankfully they found out she had bronchiolitis and after a week in hospital on oxygen and feeding tube she was well enough to come home. But that was hard enough. And that was a week. My son had viral meningitis and was very poorly for a few weeks and was in hospital on all sorts of IV medicine, that was horrible to watch.
I couldn't imagine forcing that on my babies.
I went through 5 months of he'll with my child who was born prematurely. So much hospital time, tests, every organ taped for testing, endless blood work & IV's, scans, specialists & last rights. All yielding no answers or explanation of for his frequent hospital stays. I was the only one permitted any contact to minimize exposure. I can't imagine putting a child through any of that without cause. Eventually my baby stabilized & came home for good🙏
Yes I thought about it earlier. I said to myself, there’s a special place in hell waiting for her.
I'm furious with the medical professionals and full of rage for that poor excuse of a woman 😤 How can you starve her to death how can it be that no one could see she's not ill and the treatments aren't needed 🤬
I cannot believe she manipulated so many doctors and not one of them thought to get hold of Olivia’s medical file from Texas. RIP little Olivia ❤
I couldn't find a doctor that would stop until they got it!
Because they are afraid of legal issues.
@@karinatrujillo8437 I live in the UK and our hospitals and doctors surgeries can access our notes kept from birth, I am guessing it’s a lot different in the states
@@Janellabelle a wee
@@sarahfrith1984 they usually can in the u.s. also. But it could be state to state looking I'm not for sure. I just know now they can see .
Something that bothers me so much about this is the fact that doctors still “treated” Olivia with turners claims about all those diseases she so called “had” though they never had proof about her actually having those diseases. i’m in Australia so it’s so different to where they are from, but doctors WILL NOT give drugs, do surgery or do anything medical wise without proof that the patient requires that treatment which I love!!!
Doctors in the USA are in an awkward position they can be criminally and civilly charged for releasing HIPPA info. They were suspicious and reported to the hospital (which was legally acceptable) and cps and the hospital did nothing. If they refused treatment they could see prison time.
Additionally, children do not have as many rights as parents and guardians unfortunately. Even if Olivia said she was being abused, there's a good chance nothing would come of it. Olivia could have refused medical treatments and the mother could have forced them. ☹️
I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to do that other places, either.
Unfortunately, reality doesn't always follow that. I don't doubt for a second that people in Australia get unnecessary treatments (particularly elderly, when people in their lives what to take advantage of them, so they'll be set up as having dementia.)
It always blows my mind in these abuse cases how quick doctors are to cut up little children who cannot advocate for themselves and explain how they actually feel, yet so many adults I know have had to demand certain tests to undercover underlying causes that general practitioners were too myopic to consider for themselves 🤷🏽♀️
Exactly 💥😒
very well put. I guess inertia might have something to do with it. People are stuck in certain practices passed down, perhaps?
Talented GPs are being phased out in favor of an army of specialists that do not really know their patients. There is no substitute for a doctor who has known you and your family all your life
I love seeing the anger you have... shows how real you are. These stories are horrible and they def need someone like you to share their stories. A lot of youtubers that do the same thing sound like they are just trying to get through the story, it's just a job to them. You show raw emotion and I love that.
I’m literally speechless with fury towards that so called “mother” and devastated that her daughter died from abuse and useless doctors. Everyone failed her. Shocking.
I've got tears, they're exhuming her little body. As if she hadn't been through enough. At least this time it won't make things worse for her.😢
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American doctors don’t share with each other.They want all the cash,for themselves.They’ll do anything,for cash.Helpless children are suffering,because of this.
As a nurse and a mum to two sick children, this infuriates me. Hospital appointments weekly, blood tests, more than a dozen medications a day, is the life of my two. Breaks my heart and I cry, a lot. I would give up my life to have them well. Breaks my heart. Poor little girl 😢
❤ I wish for you and your family to heal and have a healthy beautiful life ❤ 🙏🏻❤️
This really triggered me having lost my own 11 year old son to a terminal illness. To watch your child suffer is the most soul destroying experience, something I will never truly recover from. No, time doesn't heal all wounds. How the hell can any mother do this to their own child is beyond comprehension. May she rot in hell!
This case makes me so furious!!!! As a former healthcare worker, I am stunned beyond belief that these medical professionals did not insist on running tests or getting her prior medical records. My mother just passed away at the age of 86 from Alzheimer’s. She lost her ability to swallow and we knew that other systems were shutting down so we were advised not to insert a feeding tube. She had stated multiple times throughout her life that she did not want to have her life prolonged if she was ever terminal. We respected that wish but it was the hardest, most heartbreaking decision we ever had to make and she passed away 2 days later. I cannot fathom a mother PURPOSEFULLY doing that to a child. That is a level of evil that is incomprehensible!
Edit: I worked for a time in the medical insurance field and I am very surprised that Medicaid did not investigate the insurance coverage. Usually they will investigate whether a child is eligible for insurance coverage through the non-custodial parent. It is just one more way the system failed this child. Had they done that, she would have been on record as a liar. Also I am stunned that they didn’t require medical records from the hospital in order to pay the claims. You have to have a diagnosis code to bill for any treatment and if the drs had any misgivings about her diagnosis, they could have stopped this murder in its tracks there also.
Edit 2: 16 YEARS????? WHY???? I am in the lion’s den category!!!!! That just took me to another whole level of rage!
That vile creature slowly tortured her own child to death with the world watching!! I believe that the medical staff were complicit in that poor, innocent little girls slow, agonising death! Absolutely heartbreaking!
I totally agree 👍💯
@Deborah Moffett Absolutely wicked, horrible woman. That poor child probably thought her mum was getting her help when she was slowly killing her with medical procedures for no reason.
I used to be a hospice nurse, and the preferred meds for a patient who is actively dying (meaning their vitals are tanking, almost a vegetative state, the body then starts fighting the onslaught of death)is to use an anti-anxiety such as Ativan first, this helps the perso who is dying to be calm and not be as agitated while the body is taking its last fight, and if there are signs of pain (facial grimacing, the person stiffening their body, etc) then we start a low dose of pain meds, and would go up in that dose only if needed, same with anxiety meds. The point of hospice is for the patient to die with dignity and as comfortable as possible. Also, we don't want the family to be traumatized during these times , agitated can get very ugly and hard to see a loved one who is only a few hours away from death reacting these symptoms.
Is there even any reason to withhold food if the patient seems lucid and says they're hungry? It seems to me like even if someone is truly dying & the food won't help there wouldn't be any harm is letting them have a bit of something just to enjoy the taste. Yet no one gave this poor little girl anything?
I mean usually if you're on comfort Care which is the very end of life, you're allowed to eat or drink anything even if it previously was not allowed due to dysphasia. In my hospital someone can even bring you alcohol. It can make dying worse though. Usually if your body's dying you naturally don't want to eat though. So yes technically if she had wanted to eat something she should have been allowed to, I doubt mom would have allowed it though.
@@jaynestrangeNot if they're conscious and asking for food! I guess I don't know the specifics of this case, but generally when a person is dying, they don't feel hungry or thirsty. Their body is shutting down and they don't need these things to sustain life any longer. I've watched families try to force feed their dying loved ones, who are refusing to open their mouths. At that point, you risk aspiration or third spacing. Hospice doesn't cause people to die more quickly, I feel like that is misinformation that is included in this video. Our job is to keep patients comfortable as their life comes to a natural end.
@@cassie1264 In that case, it seems like maybe the fact she was able to express that she really wanted food, that should have been a sign she wasn't quite ready to go? Like, if it's more common for people who're naturally passing to just stop needing food, then this seems like it would stand out to the hospice workers.
@@jaynestrange Yes, if she was asking for food, she probably should have been fed. Usually a feeding tube isn't removed until there are signs that the patient is no longer tolerating it. I wouldn't doubt that the mother was lying to hospice about her daughter's condition and, sadly, it seems like she was really good at convincing them that she was right. It's hard to understand how these extreme cases can go undetected by medical professionals.
Hi everyone, it’s Sunday again, used to be the most boring day of the week, now I look forward to Emma’s videos, one thing I’ve learned watching her videos is that the lady has sooooo much compassion, even sometimes when you want to hate the murderer and your bloods boiling, but then explains what a dreadful past the murderer has had, obviously that doesn’t excuse someone for murder, but the way emma explains the crime, makes you question so many aspects of why people do murder,
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For me, in Perth WA 🇦🇺 Its Monday & Thursday mornings when Emma's channel is available.
Our daughter used to get terribly constipated. It was awfully painful for her. The dr prescribed some lactolose drinks for her. After a week or so it started to loosen and come out. I used to sit with her and rub her back whilst she was on the loo, like she was in labour.
I will never understand anyone who can hurt their own child! Our daughter is absolutely the love of my life. My husband and I were talking about this last night. I said to him that there is absolutely nothing Our daughter could do that would make me stop loving her, whereas there are a couple of things he could do that would ruin it for me. It's just the most incredible love. She's 16 years old and I still look at her sometimes and think how amazing and beautiful she is and I can't believe I made her in my body!! I love being a mother.
When I read 'our daughter is absolutely the love of my life', I smiled and my eyes filled with tears. What a lovely thing to say and feel. Big hugs xxx
I was going to post a similar comment. A few spoonfuls of lactulose will unblock an elephant. And it’s totally safe. Why didn’t anyone just give the child a couple of doses? I can’t wrap my head around this one
Me too ❤
I went through all that and much more as a child with IBD. I was actually sick so it was needed, but it was horrendous and left me with many traumas for life. A mother who would subject her healthy child to all that is absolutely pure evil.
I am beyond speechless at this case...literally everyone failed this child. When you described her death it seemed absolutely unreal that something like that could even happen. I can't understand how no medical professional or anyone would ever properly question her situation and report the mother. Her mother should be locked in a dark cell without food and water forever as far as I'm concerned.
They should dab crushed up pee ice cubes on her lips.
Unfortunately the medical profession in the states are quite happy to take the payment as opposed to researching fully the background. I love your narrative on all the cases you cover. Keep it up.
Medical professionals EVERYWHERE do it for money. You think the NHS docs don't get financial support?
@@roleat they definitely do, I agree, but not to the same degree as the states.
@@roleat in the UK you do not get paid per patient. Added to that, doctors are working with a budget which is incredibly tightly controlled. It is totally different from the US system. So different I don’t think you can get your head around it and people from the UK can’t get their heads around how this situation happened
@@roleatoh boy, the healthcare system in the states is lackluster and corrupt. it’s unfortunate, but i feel like hearing about bad doctor experiences/insane bills is insanely common over here.
This breaks me 💔 as someone who is unable to have children of my own, some children don't get the choice of their parents! Vile, evil humam!! Poor Olivia 🕊️✨
I’m absolutely baffled how doctors don’t carry out tests and assessments before a so called needed surgery!
I think accidentally on purpose they saw dollors signs.
They are just as bad as mother.
It's disgusting
@@sellbydate Absolutely! Take the definition of the health care system and flip it around, turn it upside down, invert it, pervert it and that's what it actually is. Same thing with every system that rules the world. This is an upside down, inside out, backwards, inverted and perverted reality we live in.
I'm a med student and if I had a new patient with that history I'd ask for that kid's previous medical history, not necessarily because of finding the mom suspicious. I'd like to see the kid's previous lab results and have them as reference for how the disease is progressing. How no one did this is beyond me.
Factitious disorder has a lot of traits of attention seeking but also aggression. It looks like a compulsive way to release one's anger and frustration on a child.
The amount of incompetence shown by Doctors in this is astounding. As always, great coverage and empathy, Emma. This makes my blood boil. I hope the mother never has one day of happiness again - that's the least she can endure.
Money talks
Can not believe that case went so far as it did😢. If only 1 of the doctors/professional challenged any of the medical diagnosis made up by the monster of a mother and stood their ground. She doesn't even deserve the title of a mother. That poor little angel was starved to death 😢. This little girl was failed time and time again. Thankyou Emma for telling us this poor little girls very tragic story. 😢😢😢.xxx
It is the responsibility of the doctor to provide treatment from their own evidence based diagnosis and not the testimony of the parent. This is just horrific.
Oh my goodness, this was Gypsy Rose Blanchard all over again! Her mother also manipulated medical staff into performing some truly horrific and completely unnecessary procedures on her and was prescribed so many contraindicated drugs that led to awful side effects, including the loss of her teeth. She even had a feeding tube inserted, even though she was perfectly able to swallow. It’s so tragic. RIP Olivia
Hi, Gastroparesis sufferer here. A feeding tube isn’t just for people unable to swallow. It’s for people like me, too. My GI system is very paralyzed. I don’t need a tube yet but eventually I will. Research helps a lot ☺️
Yet my son has been using an NG tube for 11 months because he can't drink at all, and the NG tube has caused complications, yet the hospital won't give him a gastrostomy which would give him a better more normal comfortable life
That’s murder. How was this allowed to happen? I’m speechless.
This is utterly horrifying. I absolutely cannot believe it. Seeing that poor little girl in those videos completing her bucket list with a catheter and other medical apparatus attached to her killed my heart.
I thought about the Blanchard case and couldn't help but to think at least Gypsy had the pleasure of killing her abuser. I'm curious, when the doctors did surgery, what the hell did, or didn't they find??? The "doctor" who granted the DNR should have their license taken away.
Same with the little boy, Garnett-Paul Thompson Spears, he was only 5 when he met his demise at the hands of his mother
@@shaylatorch Isn't Emma's style awesome? She adds so much information and insight to her vids. She's so much more in depth than other channels. You probably already know that. I just have to share this video with someone who watches Emma.
I just watched the video about Junko Furuta, a girl from Japan. OMG it is THE most horrible, story of rape, disgusting torture and sexual abuse that SHE and I have ever heard of. It's a type of story that will trigger some people, so if you're really sensitive, be warned.
If Olivia was medically abused, starved and otherwise abused, it's likely her organs weren't "normal."
I don't think Gypsy should've spent one day in prison
I disagree, she deserved life, she manipulated an autistic boy into murder then dumped him as soon as they were caught, mind on this boy is getting no sympathy, the apple didn’t fall far from the tree with gypsy and I think she’ll be a highly manipulative adult like her mother
Hi Emma, I hope in the future you are able to cover the case of Letecia Stauch. I would love to hear your take on the psychology of this woman. Thanks for all you do Emma ❤
I would love to see this!! Every video I’ve watched is just overly exaggerated and dramatic. I know Emma would give us the facts.
@@jooloomcgoo The crime was 3 years ago and is now on trial. I have been following the trial on Law and crime channel live. All the facts are on there because its a live trial. They are getting close to sum up as tomorrow will be three weeks in. I only follow live or trusted channels like Emma and a very few others. The trial is under live videos on there channel. Long but worth watching from the beginning.
Everyone has done that one.i think Emma has too already maybe! I'm sure I remember her voice saying gannon.
Look at 10 to life with Annie elise. She's fab!!
@@PazuzuM666 I am following the live trial. The trial is still ongoing. I know Annie Elise is covering the trial too with updates and I like her but I am interested in Emma's take on the psychology after all the facts are out there and the trial is over.
As someone with a bunch of health issues that the state refuses to acknowledge despite having multiple doctors assert I do, it amazes me that no health care professional did their due diligence.
Yes!!!! Me too!! They kept telling me that it's fibromyalgia and yet I had all these other symptoms and my tests all showed something else! Where were these Dr's when I needed someone to operate on me just going by my say so?
Insane how the doctors just believed her...scary
when I was a child I struggled with my health and the docters suspected my mom of munchhaussen by proxy because she fought for me when the doctors didn't take me seriously. luckily she was found to not be at fault but it absolutely traumatized me. it's an issue that needs to be taken seriously, doctors need to check records and if they suspect mbp they need to put the child (and parents) in observation, but they need to be careful and not just think, "I don't know what's wrong with this child, I know everything either the child is faking it or the mother is"
I'm sure a lot has changed but cases like this always scare me, because you need to protect these children from their parents but you also need to protect parents and children from false accusations.
the ridiculous part was, I stayed in a hospitalroom with another child whose mother claimed all sorts of allergies but the child had no symptoms when she wasn't around and the doctors and nurses didn't care about it, while they did accuse my mother who challenged them by demanding I was taken seriously.
when I was 15 I was diagnosed and got treatment to deal with some of the consequences but it was because of my mother and not because of the know it all doctors.
so my conclusion, protect children by any means possible, from their parents and from the hospital staff.
and for the love of everything, if a child doesn't want any hospital clowns around them don't force them.... yeah I need to go and calm myself down
Her mother is a monster and the medical staff that done all these procedures are so negligent.
RIP Olivia
My heart goes out to those family members who loved Olivia. Just so sad 😢
I have a lot of animosity for this thing masquerading as a mother. She deserves jail or the death penalty. Thank you for your channel, you're amazing!
Surely when poor Olivia was being operated on the surgeon would of seen that she wasn't ill that the insides were perfectly fine!!!!!!!🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
This one hits hard, my daughter was born at 33 weeks, she had failure to thrive and even now at 18 months she is still below all tracking for length and weight. So many people involved to help her and she truly needs it. People like her are why the NHS struggles so much! (UK here)
How horrible! Never heard of this case, but it makes my blood boil.Perhaps a good treatment for these individuals would be serving as medical guineapigs! Pure evil. Olivia was robbed of her life and future by this deranged ‘mother’. Little Olivia, rest in peace. 🙏 😇
It’s amazing to me that people can convince doctors that a perfectly healthy child is gravely unwell when people who are genuinely sick can’t get proper treatment or diagnosis
I'm eternally grateful for our precious NHS 💙
Yes me too!!
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Most difficult show to get through. Emma did an amazing job with such horrific facts to present to her audience. Bravo, lady!
Btw: Turner had her daughter on a feeding tube while she obviously hasn't missed any meals herself.
I definitely agree with that. Loathsome woman.
she always lacks professionalism and has a tunnel vision
So, I took myc13 year old to A&E, UK, 4 times az my child was screaming in agony and sent us home saying it was constipation. They did not tests, nothing. It turned out my child was riddled with ovarian cysts and it was a 12 month battle. Even though I am a healthcare worker in the NHS, the so-called 'professionals' absolutely do not always know if your child is okay. They slso left my child dehydrated and screaming in agony for 11 hours!!! I'm currently going through PALS. As parents, we know our children best.
Thanks! I love your channel! I pretty quickly became a part of the Kenny’s Crime Cult. My mom who does not watch anything on a phone also loves your videos. When we’re together I put them on for her and she just wants more. Thanks for all you do! Your compassion for the victims is to the moon and back.
With regards to estimating how long someone has left (obviously I know it's made up for Olivia) I think doctors try to avoid it. When my mum was diagnosed as terminally ill (Nov 2019) and moved into the hospice, they didn't give a set time just allowed us to say our goodbyes. She overcame the sepsis and moved out of the hospice on the Christmas eve (after 7 weeks). She still had terminal leukaemia and we knew her time was limited but they never set a time. She was sat up chatting etc and had carers. July 2020 she took a downward turn and they said again about goodbyes. She wanted to see my son in his school uniform so I made sure to get it early and she wanted her hair cut; she saw him and she had her hair cut 2 weeks later and passed away peacefully that afternoon.
Doctors after said how surprised they were that she had survived that long and said they'd have predicted weeks even after she left the hospice and called her a miracle ❤
@,Gemma Hayward, I learnt that they refer to it as managing patients and patient' s families expectations
Only God knows 🙏 sorry for your loss prayers 🙏 😔
My father in law was told 6-12 months and died 3 months later. My best friend was given 8 months and died 5 months and 2 weeks later. I can't even get my brain to imagine having a terminally ill child. It would kill me. Properly literally. I love my child more than my own life. I can't understand how other mums don't feel that too! My husband too since her very first kick when he had his head on my stomach. Just complete unconditional love.
Yeah, they don’t any more. My dad was given a terminal diagnosis in late 2003. They didn’t want to give an estimate but my mum pleaded as they had to sell a business. They gave 6 months and he died in 3.
Hospice RN here: my experience is with adults only. Regarding letting a patient know what their prognosis is: it’s important. I find that people go when they are ready to, and not when we say it’s going to happen. I’ve not ever had a patient die early because we had an honest conversation about their condition. Each situation is different, and I think it’s important to follow the lead of those I’m caring for, but the question of “how long do I have?” is the most common question. The answer is always approximate, always with a caveat of ‘no one can truly predict’, but we are trained to assess signs that indicate death is near. I know this isn’t related to the main content of this video, but wanted to comment anyway. My point is, honest communication about death and dying is valuable for patients and loved ones. ❤
Agreed, but emphasis on the idea that it's not always accurate and it shouldn't discourage you in all situations.
I was given an estimated two days to live when I first got dragged into a hospital, then two weeks, and then after 6 months my specialists tried to convince me to transfer into hospice care and discontinue my treatment since I should already be dead and I was basically being tortured.
Joke's on them, I survived long enough to get an organ transplant through an experimental study at John Hopkins, and now I can expect another 30-50 years. 😂
I’m an RN in the US and I have seen both cases…one where I believe the mother was just simply evil and wanted the attention she got from her children being ill and very much so a woman who truly believed that what she was seeing in her children was real she was positive that these terrible issues were real and she would do things to the kids ti make symptoms that couldn’t be ignored and had to be treated in hopes that we as a medical community would find the diseases she was sure the baby had. Both cases were very sad the first because that woman was sick and her children had ti be taken away, the second because this woman was very mentally I’ll and was literally begging for someone to help her somehow
Thank you so much for sharing this case with me. I’m just aghast that this can happen - doctors “too busy/don’t get paid to review” and her mother tortured her to death. My heart breaks for her grandfather’s life sentence.
One of your absolute best case choices, Emma. Pin point accurately researched and presented. Shame that the doctors didn’t fact check in the same way. I’m left speechless by this case. 😢
I want to travel across the pond for one reason only - to come to one of your shows. You put so much love & effort into these cases and I truly admire you for raising awareness and touching on subjects others shy away from. You're a voice for all victims but especially the sweet innocents (children). Thank you, Emma. For all you do now and all the work you did to help others before UA-cam. Your soul is amazing.
Same here!
@@PazuzuM666 actually ma'am you're assuming I don't want to come there for other reasons. I'm afraid of planes. So your comment and ignorant assumptions all bc I'm American is just that... Ignorant. Being an American "with 5 minutes of history" doesn't make me stupid about y'all's history and beautiful places. I'm simply scared of planes 🙃. Nice try. You are no better than anyone due to your location which is what your comment kind of implies but go off doll. I agree America is shit. Maybe ask before you assume
@@PazuzuM666 I just wanna know.... Who hurt you lmao. You got a lot of mouth for 0 reason and look dumb as shit. And won't get another response from me. Misery loves company and anyone from here to the UK can see that. You took one comment and assumed you knew me because I'm American. I hope you find some happiness and get rid of some that hate you have for people in America. It's disgusting af
Sorry to make you jealous but I have tickets for 2 weeks time to see her speak live at a local theatre in Peterborough near my home. Am so excited
As much as Emma is awesome this is a country with a fantastic history and culture so saying you'd only come here to see Emma is very insulting.
This is terrifying how can the surgeries and medicine be administered is beyond me. When you said about the kepra my stomach lurched, I was misdiagnosed with that and slept for 36 hours straight, I woke up and called my sister “call an ambulance I think I’m dying”, what a mess it was taking that I’m shaken just hearing that poor baby had taken that xx
Honestly IDK how some of the medical professionals just went along with the BS that this monster spewed out!
Poor poor Olivia! 😢💔
What a moving story, so so sad for little Olivia 😔. How can a “human being” put into place such a horrendous plan? Gosh, poor little girl… 💔. I take solace in the thought that she can now rest in peace ✨🙏
I’m so paranoid about my cat being hungry that I free feed him so this story haunts me so bad 😢 I can’t stand the thought of anyone or any animal going hungry it just hurts my heart 🥺
In America it’s not just medical professionals signing off on treatments…It’s financial services too! Every bit of treatment is signed-off on before it’s paid for.
I have a lot of experience with people suffering from spine conditions. Insurance companies will not agree to pay for more complex treatments like surgery unless recent tests & less invasive treatments (like physical therapy) have been completed in recent years.
When I was a nurse, the most amazing part was to be able to allow a dying patient to have dignity, love and care, for them to have what I class as a good death!
This means not to allow them to feel thirsty, as dehydration can cause severe headaches/ migraines! Also as long as they are able to consume some form of nutrients, they are allowed to do so! Any pain they may have needs to be eradicated and anxiety felt with at time’s by the use of medication, but mainly by human contact, reassurance, and love and care! This is the last step until they pass on. I’m shocked that a child had all withdrawn! They could have continued this and medically kept comfortable until said illness takes them! Not that this wee lass had any ailments 🤬 unbelievable in my mind! I nursed my parents at home and administered all required medications under very strict rules. 10 minutes before my father passed away in my arms he fancied an ice cube, of which I gave him. This gave him such pleasure to crunch and eat!
Breaks my heart that this was allowed to happen. 🇬🇧 xx
This truly makes me sick. As a parent who lost her 16-year-old daughter to terminal cancer this is extremely disturbing. I prayed every day for God to give me the illness so my daughter can live. This woman is a vile
I’m from Colorado and was in nursing school at the time. Doctors and nurses brought up concerns of Munchassen’s to the ethics committee at the hospital, but were ignored and for some reason called social series. A friend of mine who briefly saw Olivia in hospice also brought up concerns that Olivia was not as sick as they said. She saw that Olivia could easily laugh and smile and actually had an appetite and drink. She was immediately removed as Olivia’s nurse. Olivia’s last words always break my heart.
Sorry, do you mean social services? Who called them on whom?
Don't know why I've never set up my own youtube account so I'm watching on my hubby's, Followed your psychology work for years, these video's are always made with such care, well researched and your compassion is palpable. Wow Emma,what a watch this was💔very hard. A precious child yet again failed by those who should have saved her. Thank you for you sensitivity and your honesty ❤ take care lovely xx
Love to all your followers too, Anna.Xx
Anna I am so glad that you got the live tonight!! Emma has the sweetest community 💗 the passion is palpable x
Emma on a lighter note you look beautiful, love your hair❤
@Stacey Jayne Platt Thank you lovely, i agree, she really does💗
WOW, your so passionate throughout this whole video you can't help but sit on the edge of your seat! Thank you Em for such an intense nail biting experience! Love and prayers for family of this precious little angel....😢
I am crying, shocking how her mother got away with this. Fly high little Olivia I'm so sorry you were let down by so many professionals xx
My brother had mental health issues, but my parents never thought of him as a burden.
Thank you Emma for telling this horrific case in such as way as only you can. Heinous, and despicable in far too many ways. This Sentence needs to be revised.
It took me a long while to get to this video even though it has been recommended every day since it was posted, because I'm a survivor of childhood Munchausen by Proxy.
I have so many responses to so many points Emma made, but overall I thought this was a very good video on the topic. There's a good amount of discussion on the psychology of deviant, criminal, and mental disorder behavior. And I really enjoyed the anger. That sounds weird. I appreciate the honest response rather than trying to be objective or sensationalize. And since I feel the same way, there's less of an emotional toll on me when it's spread out.
I escaped my situation 20 years ago and I've been looking for support groups, specialized therapy, research, etc. for at least 15 of those years. Recently, I found an organization focused on it and even that is in its infancy. But it does go to show how complex and poorly understood this phenomenon is, and I really would like psychologists, researchers, policy makers, and practitioners to use us survivors as a resource to make changes. Think of it this way - I saw what went on, up close, personal, and behind closed doors, and my mom GOT AWAY with it, while I went on to spend 20 years trying to figure out wtf happened. So I'm working on a YT channel about it, although it's too soon to even self promote 😂
Anyway, good job, Emma 👍 I'm glad people are talking about this more.
You seem to have such an interesting and complex character Emma, so passionate and compassionate. The legal system worldwide should take lessons from your approach because your voice speaks for us all, everyone should watch your channel. Much love from San Francisco.❤
💯 I couldn’t agree more!
Love from England ❤
@Suzi Monkey Big loves to you❤
I lost a child to 2 very real rare conditions: Ehlers Danlos Syndrome (vascular type) and Chiari Malformation. It's started at 17 yrs of age and she made it to 30 yrs of age. I had to almost light my hair on fire early on to take the Chiari seriously. The EDS was actually the second diagnosis from neurosurgeons in NY (we live in tx). They started seeing more patient with Chiari and EDS. I finally got a small team of doctor in TX who understood that she need palliative care and no more surgical interventions, as it was like she wouldn't make it out. It wasn't until we got stable for the last 8 years of her life (she was grown woman, disabled but still determined to keep going), that I could have been viewed as a MBP mom if my daughter had been younger like Olivia. EDS patients bruise so easily too because their connective tissue can get wet rice paper some parents have had their kids taken from them for suspected abuse.
This woman makes me so angry for me and for others that have had to scream to get some doctors to hear us. This cow rolls up and they believe everything she says. Unbelievable.
We love you girl, awesome job you're doing
Hello Emma!! Your explanation, as a psychologist, about the fussy nature of Mounchausen Syndrome or Decease was an eye opener. I thought it was established as a real condition. I am in awe of the murderous nature and callousness of this so called mother...all for money. I am sooo infuriated and distraught about the death of a perfectly healthy child. Rest In Peace little doll. And then her other little girl??? Just burn them all: she and the STUPID doctors! I am literally serious🤬🤬🤨🤨. Fortunately her 10 year old girl had better luck. I love it when you call all of them all...the hospital...happy as can be because of the money they were profiting from this insane woman.
I just discovered you and wow! I can't go back to my other true crimers....I love the insight to the psychology...thank you so much for your dedication 🙂❤
Go back and look at the child murderer videos she's made! Emma describes everything so well you can picture it.
@@PazuzuM666 😮what ? Is this sick or what
This is so shocking! As an adult with a chronic G.I. condition of Gastroparesis. This causes many to have a feeding tube placed. Now I have been taking steps towards getting a feeding tube myself. Theres a long checklist of things you must go through before actually getting to that point. Its been almost 2years of protocol I'm going through before I get the actual procedure. Also I've gone through multiple different treatments since 2016, before getting to this point. Its not just something that is typically an easy surgery to get approved for.
I've never heard of this case so it's a new one for me, it does sound similar to gypsy rose but with a deadly ending for the poor child involved 😢
Almost all munchausen by proxy cases end with the child dead.
Omg 16 years !! Why didnt she get charged with murder ! Poor little Olivia. This is a heartbreaking case which I hadnt heard of.
Brilliant cover as always Emma xx
I have just watched a case so similar to this; Lacey Spears and the death of her son, Garnett. I would love to hear your take on this, Emma. I love your videos, and I love hearing your point of view ❤️
Yes, horrific case! I mentioned it to Emma too
@Lisa Torch It's awesome that you mentioned it too, and you're right, it is totally horrific. Lacey Spears is so dangerous, and everything poor Garnet went through purely for her to gain attention, breaks my heart. It boggles my brain how she was able to have all of these medical procedures performed on Garnet for so long, and nobody thought to contact his previous Dr's ☹️
Thank you Emma, for once again covering another tragic case that really makes you think. I was also on the fence about munchausens, but this seems apparent to me that it’s another appalling way for abusers to gain power and control over another individual. In this case a child who has no voice and trusts their parent, just the same as physical and sexual abuse carried out , it’s just as awful, but a more unseen type of abuse. Doctors need to be more aware of this type of abuse, I can’t believe they would carry out nedical procedures just on the mothers say so, so sad
Absolutely loving the dungarees Emma! Where did you get them? I'm always looking!! 👌🏼
Dungarees are a great look ♥️ Emma's strap being twisted is playing with my OCD 🤣🤣 X
@@neolex2678 Me too!! 🤣
Such an awful case 😪 and the negligence of the doctors is un believable 🤯 ....
@@neolex2678 Yes, utterly heartbreaking 🥺
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I don't know if you've already covered this case, but another child, named Garnett-Paul Thompson Spears was also a victim of Munchausen by proxy in 2014. Horrific story
The mother caught on camera giving her precious son salt? Brutal case. 😢
I’m a nurse in a pediatric ER and inpatient unit. I can not believe the medical staff did not catch this. As an RN it completely baffles me so much that I don’t even know what to say! That woman is the most evil I have seen. A slow painful death…. How can she live with herself. Prayers to Olivia. She is away from that evil now and can be free! If only that had happened while she was on this earth. Also, where was her father? Did I miss that part?
I honestly can not comprehend how all of those medical professionals did not once question the validity of what she was saying. Even if they looked into this case just slightly they would’ve noticed inconsistencies. Unfortunately it seems that Olivia was let down by medical professionals and in my opinion they’re just as responsible for her death as her repulsive mother is (if you can even call her that)
This is awful. I was born with a rare medical condition (affecting 1 in a million people). I spent so much of my childhood in hospital, going to doctor visits, having all sorts of distressing and painful medical procedures etc. To this day I still need a feeding tube 24/7. I wouldn't wish it on anyone, so makes me really angry to hear that someone would choose put a child through this kind of thing when they don't need it. That poor little girl.
Trainee counsellor here, this is extremely hard to watch but I have learned so much from this video thank you for making it
This is sickening to me and the professionals concerned in Olivia’s care failed her horrifically
Thank you as always Emma for quality content 👌💜
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First out not sure how I found you but that introduction was amazing and the quality of this content is amazing. Certainly going to watch more of you.
It’s heartbreaking that the ppl who are supposed to love the child the most, are the ones to end them…. Fly high little one x
I’m up to “….they removed her feeding tubes….” My jaw has literally hit the floor, Iv never been utterly speechless at one of your videos but I am today.. I have so many questions my mind is literally blown that this has happened..
I have watched SO many of you videos this was the first time I got to watch one live. Love love your channel💜! Really looking forward to seeing you next month on your serial killer next door tour!! Hoping your merch will be available to purchase at the theatre🤞No words for this abominable human being but what a beautiful little girl Olivia was. She deserved a lot better from life, I also hope she’s getting it now wherever she is God bless her ✝️✨
That dedication to Olivia at the end was so heartfelt ♥️ I hope that woman gets the Karma she deserves. Thanks again Emma for another episode ❤😊
"Diabolical bitch" such an accurate statement for this mother if you can even call her that!!! I loved it.
Unbelievable 😢
Absolutely love you!!❤
It's beyond Heartbreaking this Little Girl went through Agony, and Kelly was able to manipulate Medical Professionals. A Defenseless Little BABY! My God!
As a nurse working for the NHS, a child having been seen over 1000 times without red flags being raised is an abominable crime
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