WHEN LOVE TURNS INTO A NIGHTMARE: The Heartbreaking Story of Samantha Ford | Emma Kenny Crime Time
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- Опубліковано 29 лип 2023
- In this episode of 'Emma Kenny Crime Time', we delve into the chilling case of Samantha Ford, a British mother who tragically drowned her own twinS in December 2018. The narrative uncovers the horrific incident that occurred in Margate, Kent, when Ford, struggling with the end of her marriage, killed her twins, Jake and Chloe Ford, by drowning them in the bath.
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The fact that she sent a letter to his mother shows she still doesn’t take any responsibility in her actions . I DO NOT believe someone who has done something so sickening can be rehabilitated in 5 years if ever.
Emma I agree , I hope she lives with what she has done everyday .
I hope Stephen finds everyday a little bit easier good luck to him 🙏🏻
I can't believe they could think 5 years would stepping foot in prison is the correct sentencing for what she did especially with what you stated with not taking any responsibility!! I don't have any empathy in this case towards the mother which normally have some. I understand how over powering thoughts can be. I do wonder if she has had these voices which admitted though
She played the system
She should have gotten 30 years to life.
This case is remarkable similar to one in Duxbury MA. In the .U.S.A
Strangled her 8 month. 6 and 4 yr old children. Tried to commit suicide but failed
Ended up paralyzed
She was likely encouraged to write that to "express her feelings" as a form of healing, as well as being dosed up on whatever they were giving her. Those Government funded facilities are evil. Do not blame her.
As a mother of three who has suffered from post natal depression and had suicidal thoughts i have no sympathy or empathy for this woman. Do you know what went through my head when I wanted to die? Not "oh I will kill my kids" not at all, it was "my kids will be better off with their dads and I want to die" there is absolutely no need to kill your children to end your own life! My eldest two are 15 and 11 and I have been separated from their dad for 10 years but he is a great dad and they have a happy loving home waiting with him and his partner and their half brother over there. My youngest I am with his dad and he is also great. These babies had a great father, she could have let him have the kids and taken her own life at any time. She did this purely out of spite and revenge imho.
I completely agree, I know that everyone experiences mental illness differently, but all I could think was that they would be better off without me.
I hope you are able to enjoy your children now.
My boys are 27 (twins) and 26 .... 17months between 😉
Mental health affects people in different ways. I’ve bipolar , anxiety, bpd and ptsd . I’ve had dissociation I’ve also had psychosis twice . I’ve no idea how I landed up in the winter nothing on my feet , wearing nothing to keep me warm just a thin dress on the beach . I apparently sounded as if I’d been possessed by the devil . I’ve no recall of that
I agree with Stephen, she knew exactly what she was doing. Evil woman. 5 years is disgraceful.
Totalling agree , there are people who carnt have children an this evil women felt she had a right to just take her two beautiful baby's lives . Rip to those wonderful little angles.
I'm afraid justice needs to happen when she's released
I agree with him too! 5 years is a slap on the wrist especially since she wont accept responsibility!! she needs a longer sentence and to spend that in prison. I hope she doesn't have anymore kids and wont harm anyone else!
Women always get lighter sentences
@@theinsanewoodsmando they ?
That sentence was an insult to those poor babies, and her getting out 5yrs early without spending a day in prison is abhorrent. Our justice system is a joke, and the mental health system failed abysmally.
It appears that Samantha's lust and passion for hurting Stephen was more powerful than her love for her babies ♥️💔☠️
Unfortunately women/mothers seem to be the ones who hurt the kids more often than the dads. I can think of 5 women who did the unthinkable. It's so sad
Agree 💔
Unfortunately if she was highly narcissistic she wouldn't have had much love for her babies. They would've been merely objects to her.
@@erikaelyse8192Yes , I agree , I heard of a case recently , a guy called Chad Doerman shot his 3 young sons to death , his motive ( allegedly ) was to hurt their mother ?! I think he is awaiting his murder trial. It beggars belief , how love can turn into raging hatred. No matter how much I hear. , or how much I learn , I will never understand these kind of offenses 😵
@@erikaelyse8192 Not a fact. Dads actually kill their children WAY, WAY more often than moms.
It may seem to you that women do it more often because the media and public just find it more shocking when women do it because of "motherly instinct" etc.
5 years for killing 2 innocent babies is disgusting, what is this country coming to?! I really hope she doesn’t have any more children, she doesn’t deserve them! RIP Chloe and Jake ❤ I hope Steven stays strong and is able to live his life with his new family despite his trauma and enjoy being a father again.
Well said hun it's discussing if it was the US she would of got death! The UK justice system is fucked
@@rebeccaleggett5853both systems are terrible. Death sentence would not be anything other than a continuance of the fear based emotion that she demonstrated- vengeance. Not justice.
No one gets away with anything. Our creator is perfectly just and justice will be done, albeit not on this earth.
@@WakeyWakeyEggsandBakeyif their was this supreme higher power, why didn't he save the kids?
@@junkybabes well, because if god does exist. He sure has a hard-on for causing tragedies don't he
I agree with you. However, in watching these crime stories coming from the UK, I've seen some incredibly light sentences. Their judicial system is sadly lacking in truly punishing crime. It's not to punish them in and of itself, but the people of the UK need further protection from these criminals.
I totally agree with the husband. He knows her. His assessment is spot on. She should have gotten 25 years
Grrrrrrrrrr, one of my pet peeves, there’s no such word as “gotten” not in the English language anyway, it’s just plain got 😂
Agreed
Nope, she should have got life as in life till she dies
gotten | American Dictionary
past participle of get: I've gotten (= I recently bought) a new pair of glasses
Justice....NOPE🤬🤬
RIP sweet angels and prayers to dad 🙏🥰🙏
Someone who can murder their two babies then continue to torment their father should be in either prison or a psychiatric facility for the rest of their lives. You cannot be rehabilitated after killing babies, she is a danger to herself and others around her. I seriously pray she doesn't find her ex husband after she is released
Steven finding a new beautiful wife & starting a new family will make her SO DAMN angry. Like a true narcissist. I hope he’s able to move on & flourish in his life while remembering his children.
I agree with you what if she finds him? She is so completely evil and still takes no responsibility for her actions.
I hope with all my heart she doesn't track her ex husband down! I sincerely hope she stays well away from him and his parents!
Your comment hit me hard. I truly am concerned for all of them. All she wanted was to destroy Steven, now that he has a new partner and another child, this will make her extremely angry. She never wanted her ex husband to recover from her evil act.
5 years is a joke she's a danger to society!!
@@elizabethhayward8238Never will she feel any remorse for what she did. Life has always been all about her. She has to have her own way always. I doubt she ever loved her children.
She wanted to hurt Steven and destroy him for life as he took his love away from her!
She reminds me of the man who shot his 3 boys dead recently in front of their mother! 😢
5 years for each child.
You get more time for selling drugs. 😳
2.5 years each 😢 absolutely disgusting xxx
Getting out after 5 years is gut wrenching! That's only 2 and a half years for each child. That's not justice at all
What an evil selfish individual. Killing babies because she can’t handle rejection. It was spite not ‘mental illness’. It’s not an excuse.
She will never accept that those babies are dead because of her. She will always blame Stephen.
I'm sorry she didn't do this until she was alone she knew exactly what she was doing. I agree wholeheartedly with Steven. I also hope him and his new family are protected from this woman .
Seriously, WTF is wrong with the British judicial system? I'm we're not exactly perfect here in the states, but we hold people accountable for their actions. What a slap in the face to the husband, and remaining family members. A complete travesty of justice.
I love Emma's passion and compassion, being able to tell a story with this much depth is truly rare, and although difficult, she does it with such sincerity.
Thanks Emma, for being so eloquent and honest. ❤
I know the UK are way too lenient when it comes to sentencing women. I'm honestly surprised she didn't get Community Service! I've been here a long time (having moved over from the USA in 2000 ) and I am still stunned by the legal system . What a totally mean and vindictive woman she is. Another "entitled" and "it's all about me" person. Horrible Horrible crime. She should have gotten at least 25 years. SMH.
Just plain got, there’s no such word as gotten in the English language !!!!
@@fikent5252 She said she was from the USA and gotten is accepted English over there.
@@susanwaldron6831 fair enough, but it’s just one of those words that rattles me as it’s not used here !
Statistically women get harsher sentences than men for the same crimes in uk. This case is an exception
@@fikent5252 Here? Where is "here," because you're on the internet my friend, not in a café eavesdropping on someone's conversation, getting all agitated by their grammar or sentence structure 😂. Be mindful that not everyone in this world is privileged enough to be as well educated as you "think" you are.
I watched a documentary on people who had tried to take their own lives but lived, and they all said the same …..”As soon as I jumped, I instantly regretted it & wanted to live”……..ALSO EMMA your a trooper every time you talk about your wonderful dad, I can see how hurt you are, he would be incredibly proud ❤❤❤❤
I was in a bad place five years ago and I tried to kill myself, I am so glad I am still alive.
Are you talking about the young man who suffered from schizophrenia who jumped off the golden state bridge and survived because he said that, about instantly regretting it 😢 That was a terribly sad documentary. And very jarring to see that older man who was caught on tape at the beginning actually jump and take his own life, while everything around him kept going on as normal. Very eerie. And upsetting.
@@ClaireB34 no I heard it from a man, then a woman in a documentary but I can’t think what it was called it was a good few years back now
She will never feel bad for what she did. If she's a Narcissist then she has no conscience or empathy. This legal system is an absolute joke. She should rot in prison for the rest of her life. Absolutely disgusting. I hope Stephen finds some peace in his life and that his baby is protected. May he experience true love and happiness and may his beautiful little baby boy and girl Rest in Peace. xx 🙏🏼❤️❤️
Sounds no different than when a man decides to murder their children because their wife wants to separate. “If I can’t have you, I will hurt you in the worst way possible”. I have very little to no sympathy for her. I can think of 20 men off the top of my head who did this over the last 10 years.
It seems men get more time at least here!
Couldn’t agree more, and the fact that she only got 10 years - and not even in prison, is reprehensible. I’m seething after hearing that.
@@Skyler_xxxPD I mean biologically it’s true. Women do tend to have a more ingrained, instinctive bond with their children. That’s not to say men don’t, of course they do, but we *carry* them, we *birth* them.
The statistics show that women are rarely the perpetrators of things like this whereas men are (this is evidenced by the fact that most people who kill their families/children are men). However, I think we can acknowledge this and also acknowledge that when it comes down to someone killing their children especially for revenge as Samantha so clearly did, that should go out the window. Maybe she was struggling with her mental health, but how many of us are and don’t go ahead and brutally steal away our babies lives?!
Samantha should’ve got life with no possibility of parole, and in prison not a mental hospital, in my opinion x
I cannot believe she only served five years. In the US she would have got life whth no parole maybe even the death penalty.
She is a heinous, nasty individual and margate is a worse place with her in it.
@@beelzebabe4441I agree with you on this. She did this horrible and unspeakable act in revenge. Not because of a serious mental illness. I disagree with the agreement of diminished responsibility. She should most definitely have received 2 life sentences.
It’s disgusting that she’s potentially getting out. Them poor babies! As someone that has suffered with severe PND and suicidal ideation and still 5 years later take my daily medication and speak to my GP every 2/3 months to make sure I’m still on top of my mood, I never dreamt of hurting my boys. I often had family help with them on my worse days. They’re the reason I’m still here. They’re the reason I push on and keep taking my meds to keep me balanced.
I can NOT give her empathy, she deserves life in prison. She could of told her parents how she was feeling and the children would of been safe and alive. Instead she took them away all because her life was falling to shit and she’d lost control.
That one photo of her looking at the camera is creepy! I hope Steven is far away from where she is! I lost my daughter at 14 she took her life in 96 I also lost my husband when he took his life in front of me whither a gun in 2010. Suicide doesn't hurt them it hurts the living! England has some of the most softest laws for what we call here in the USA felonies! Sometimes I get angry here when people get 50 years with a minimum of 25! But for her to murder her 2 babies and destroy so many lives and get out so easily! Shame on the court system! Maybe they should take off the wigs so they can think!
Recently discovered your channel. Your narration of these tragic events is so vividly good. Thank you.
She’s a evil evil woman, and the sentence she got is horrendous, I hope they put Stephen and his family in some kind of protection because I don’t think she’s done with torturing him and the idea of him having a new family will absolutely make her go berserk and she will try hurting him again
Congratulations on the birth of your lovely little Etta Blue! When you speak about child death (and the arrival of much wanted children … IVF etc.), I can hear the pain and love and desire inside of you. I’m so happy for you. Enjoy every moment of the newborn bubble 💕 (she was a very well kept secret!)
When people who have had a visible decline in mental health suddenly become calm or even happy, it's because they have made their plan. It's imminent. Massive red flag ..... Sirens AND lights AND whistles type red flag..... I know this not only from doing post-grad work in criminal psychology, but from my own mental health...... I've been there, and am very fortunate to still be here now....
I remember this in our local paper,the twins dad is originally from the city I live in.
I totally agree with him,no justice at all for those babies! As a grieving mum it kills me inside when these people keep using the "mental health card" rest in paradise little angels x
Mental health concerns aren’t a card, they’re very real. That being said, if a person’s mental health challenges make them dangerous or violent, they still can’t be trusted among the general population unless and until they’re rehabilitated. Public safeguarding has to take primary priority.
@@BeckBeckGo Yes Mental health is a real thing but she is highly intelligent and knew exactly what she was doing trust me. She will do whatever it takes to "win" and if she's let out in December she wins again
@@neo866 trust you? Why should I trust you? You don’t even have a grasp on basic punctuation.
I’ll trust the real professionals, but thanks anyway.
@@BeckBeckGo Because i lived with her for 5 years and was on the receiving end of her evilness. I've was contacted by her husband Steven and i gave a statement to the police regarding her behaviour and would have given evidence at the trial had she not pleaded Guilty. Hope that helps
We went on a trip to Margate in art school. My friend had just come over from Jamaica to study; she looked out over the grey sea and creepy sea front attractions and started crying, she felt she'd been sent to the end of the world. It's the most emotional response I've ever seen to an environment.
what has that got to do with anything ?
@@naonyaru5679She was Originally from The UK though!!! She Didn't come from Qatar!! So she knew her Country!!
I understand, the view from a Jamaican beach is beautiful!
Lived in margate for a few years it’s an absolute sh*thole. Im not surprised at that reaction
@@harpsailorharp6716ggdid you not bother listening to story 😂
36:35 this made my chest physically ache.. damn... I cannot imagine those poor babies fighting 😢... Their own mother. 💔
As a health professional, I don’t think anything health services could have done would have changed the outcome. She still believes she’s not to blame, meaning she’s not taking responsibility and mental illness or not, you have to take some responsibility for your own health and own actions. I get so many people on a daily basis asking for help but then every single thing you offer you them is rejected or refused. Some people so desperate and are so thankful for anything but others just want to manipulate people and situations around them and to me, personally, this sounds like one of those cases/ people. I feel sorry for the father, she killed his children because ultimately she lost her fancy lifestyle and wanted her husband back that she threw away. She looks like she had a nice home, was probably not going to struggle financially, good family support but it wasn’t enough for her. One of the most common things I hear when asking people about suicidal thoughts or thoughts to harm anyone else is ‘I’d never hurt anyone else’ She could have left those children with their father, her parents and ended her own life if that’s what her choice was. So so sad and the 5 year sentence is a joke. She will no doubt try to interfere with his new life as well, I’ll put money on it that this story will continue past her release.
@wholelotofia. ❤
I completely agree, as someone who has engaged with various services, there is nothing that can be done when an individual makes the decision not to engage. There are no magic bullets, and people are selective in what they choose to share and disclose.
I work with a guy that is very much like her!! Has a serious God complex, and has even went on tik-tok bragging about how he's "untouchable at work" he literally said that!!
This guy is an absolute freak!! I had to threaten to put a restraining order on him to get him to leave me alone and stay away from me. His response to that was that I was the one he would press charges on for bothering him when we have cameras in our shop (welding shop) and he was the one going out of his way getting himself involved with what I'm working on even after I said no, just forcing interactions, and I would just walk Way..I would have to stop doing my job and leave my work area to get away from him.. I ultimately had to go to the other side of the shop (which I did everything chance I would get any other time before officially being moved over there) just to get away from this guy!! I refuse to quit my job just to get away from this guy (I shouldn't have too) given he has done more than enough to get fired, and should be fired.. 3 owners in the company and 2 of the 3 want this guy fired, and because the 1 refuses to fire him, is the only reason he still has a job.. and I can't wait for the day he actually keeps up with his behavior and he ends up getting himself in over his head where there's no going back.. and he ultimately gets fired for his actions.. because he's one of those that doesn't take accountability for his actions, as far as he is concerned, he has done no wrong.. but we all know he is highly delusional!
I think this woman knew exactly what she was doing and did it to punish their father because she couldn't manipulate him. 5 years is an insult to their nemory.
That last picture broke my heart!! Prayers for the Dad! ❤️
She was easily able to murder her innocent babies but was too afraid to end her life?! What a POS
If the shoe was on the other foot ;they would have thrown the book on Steven
Not all infertile people should have children. Some people are unfit to be parents. If you are selfish and self centered get a hobby. job or another obsession.
It brings me to tears thinking of those poor children in that bath looking up at their mummy and fighting against her holding them under the water-what fear they must have felt. Awful and heartbreaking. She’s played the system. Fingers crossed the release does not take place in December….and I’m a probation officer
It would be amazing for us (the people world wide) should be able to have a say in weather we want someone like her walking amongst us!! That's just my opinion, mental disorder or not, she was still in control of her actions, she still chose to do what she did!! She chose to kill her own two babies to make her husband pay!! She intentionally chose to kill her own babies to make her husband pay in the most heinous way possible!! If it was up to me, she would never see the light of day, as a free woman!! I believe her "mental health" was just a rooze to help her get away with murder, given the way she doesnt hold accountability for anything!! She was driven by selfish greed!!
I'm not disreguarding or downplaying mental health in anyway shape or form but there is no way her mental health has anything to do with her manipulative plan to make the choice to murder those poor babies with the sole goal to hurt their father in the most brutal way!! And to let her out of the mental facility without her spending a day in prison for these murders is not only a slap in the face to the father but it's just disrespectful and disgraceful and tarnishing the legacy of those babies memorial, for her to be let out on the 5th anniversary of their death.. if anything let her out any other day than that specific day, if they let her out ever at all!! But there is absolutely no justice in this case, she ultimately got exactly what she wanted in the end, and that's the worst thing about it!! I do believe she can and will end up doing it again if given the chance!!
How many times do we have to repeat this situation where innocent children suffer the wrath of a narcissistic parent? She absolutely knew what she was doing, and who she ultimately wanted to hurt. Those poor babies…may they rest in peace.
They let this sick woman out? Who is to say, that she won´t come after Stephen and his new family?
Reflects the lack of value children hold in our society that she is able to walk free
The worst case of a temper tantrum in a grown woman
This reminds me so much of a case in central Alberta, Canada where a mum did almost the same thing (drowned her boys to get back at her husband). Her attempt to commit suicide didn't work either. She was eventually sent back to Australia to complete her sentence and subsequently did actually kill herself. So bloody sad!!!
I'm not sure how I feel about her sentence. She definitely strikes me as being manipulative and vindictive. She kicked Stephen out and expected him to return to her when she couldn't cope.
Em, there is a court case in NZ at present for a South African mother who killed her 3 daughters. In her case I think there is/was definitely severe mental illness that dictated her actions. Her babies were also IVF babies. Beyond heartbreaking.
So one of the many things I love about your videos, is how you use the psychology of the people in these cases and relate it to all of us and what we go thru in our day to day lives. What you said about ruminating on an ex when you are depressed because you are so certain that if you can just fix this one thing, it surely will make you happy, resonated so strongly with me. I was diagnosed with BPD when I was young and have had to manage it lifelong (after losing both my father and sister to diseases at a young age). And I love how much you discuss BPD on your videos and how you address it and explain it to people who may not be familiar with it. And then later in this video you said something about being fixated even though you don’t know what’s around then next corner in the future. I just love when you put things I have felt in the past or even at times, in the present, and you word it in such a way, I really feel like I am benefitting from your psychotherapy background personally just as much as my interest in true crime (which comes from my own personal experiences with murders and trials). That makes your video so very unique, Emma. You’re a real treasure.
Hurts my heart 😢 I hope to god she isn’t allowed anywhere near him or his family if she gets released 🩵🩷
This is in my area I remember this so well, you heard first about the car crash then the real tragedy started to unfold.. so sad. And Emma you really know you're stuff, because locally we did know it was mental health issues but we all know that there is streak of evil in her actions..
You might know me then? I lived with her for 5 years, met in 1999
She is a monster and she played the system!!!😡. She is also evil to send a letter to his mom!
As someone who struggled with chronic depression, ptsd and several suicide attempts while raising my children, I have no sympathy for her. Truly depressed suicidal people want to harm themselves, not others. She is foul, and shame on her for using mental health as an excuse for her reprehensible actions 😡
Maybe if we stopped thinking about rehabilitation vs. retribution---and started thinking about PROTECTING THE PUBLIC
Let's hope he made better choices in his partner this time. I wish him the best. R.I.P beautiful babies. Psychopaths are quite able to fool any psychiatrist, a psychiatrist who was a director of psychiatry once told me. Sociopaths also. She bamboozled them all. Evil woman. Cause and effect. It's gonna come back to her sooner or later.
You’re 💯 correct they can most certainly fool the professionals.
You are such a beautiful human, Emma. The empathy and compassion you hold is like none other...its so comforting to hear you speak xx
She won't feel sorry about killing her kids. She takes no responsibility and blames Stephen. It all started because she didn't get what she wanted. She left him, killed his kids, blamed him, and got away with it. She is extremely dangerous. She'll never stop blaming Stephen. Do you think she'll leave him, his partner, and their kids alone? No, she won't.
Can not believe what i am hearing, after 5 years. The poor father has lost his beautiful children.
The fact she sent the letter to his mother is worrying, it shows she has not taken any responsibility. She still blames him, and whats stopping her from getting out this year and resenting him and his new family and going after them.
She knew what she was doing. She was kept on this earth for justice.
Was she struggling with mental health issues or using it as an excuse to get her own way? When that didn’t work she upped her game. She had no intention of killing her self and the drive was her ensuring the kids could never be saved whilst giving herself an excuse . She will never take responsibility and deserves life in prison
I have struggled with mental health for many years while having a relationship brake down and trust me I have never once thought of harming my children fact is she did this outta spite! She cart have him so he can't have the children.... She is sick and twisted she used them poor babies as a weapon simple as that!!!! Shame the death sentence wasn't given
10 years really!!!.
That is utterly not justice for Jake and Chloe.
So heart broken for Steven!!! Iam starting to think the UK government would rather give millions to the royal family instead of paying for dangerous felons to stay in prisons so justice and public safety can be acheived.
How did you cover this Emma knowing that you had little Etta Blue about to enter the World ❤
If she is still under psychiatric care then she shouldn’t be allowed to be released in my eyes. Evil to the core. Poor Steven. Poor innocent babies. Hope they are at peace and Steven can get some comfort with his new baby and family ❤
Emma, I started bawling at the end when the picture came up with the music. Those poor little babies. I think it could have been prevented, services should be ashamed of themselves for not taking her seriously or being pro active enough. Also seeing as though the family were concerned enough about her MH to ask the father to have the kids at one point. But, the person that did this and caused this is Samantha. She didn’t deserve those beautiful angels. Rest in peace to Chloe and Jake. May you fly high with the angels, darlings ❤️
Listening to you speak about ivf I realize your emotions trying to conceive was not a good experience for you . I’m watching this after your announcement of your precious baby ❤❤❤❤ I feel your emotion . ❤❤❤❤
I had this on in the background while I was cooking and cleaning, and then you mentioned her crash on Thanet Way - I was driving down there yesterday, and it sent a huge chill down my spine. Of course, all the cases you cover are absolutely tragic, but something about having driven down the same road Samantha did really brought this one home to me. Those poor children, they deserved so much more
I had to jump on here half way through this. I too was so very desperate for help and my mental health was spiralling really badly. I called 111, Talking Together, my GP and a few other services in February. The gp told me I was doing so well and I couldn't get through to any other services. I overdosed the next morning on prescription meds. I got to a hospital in time. Mental health awareness is not taken seriously enough.
I agree with you Emma! Shes now manipulated the doctors. How dare she get away with writing that horrid letter to Stevens mother! They think shes fine to go back out in society! After only 5 years in a mental hospital.
I feel very much for Steven and his entire family!
I bet Steven will be looking over his shoulder everywhere he goes in fear of her! I know i would be!
What I find weird... I've phoned all of the crisis teams to be talked down while having a mental breakdown. The one time I phoned the NHS one, they got social services involved and for that I'm grateful. They assessed my son many times and been to his nursery and they know he's in absolutely no danger, it's me who's in danger and for that I have a support worker who works for social services. It took 1 phone call for them to help me. I find it so strange she spoke to these people so many times and not once did they send in social services, even just to help her. In the UK a social worker will help you (if you get a good one), they'll come and take them out for a couple of hours once a week just to give mum some rest bite. I'm really disgusted they didn't step in here.
I would say it is definitely a postcode lottery as I have had very different experiences from these teams dependent on the area I was living in
That may be the case if you have children, otherwise you’re on your own, no one cares!
@susiefoxy8130 she did have children though
I did stay here because of my beautiful babies.
I was asked over and over and I never waived.
But they truly are my everything and I am blessed.
I do have a balance I’m very content with.
After watching Taylor Shaubuisness trial and the vast amount of psychiatric reports:-- I was astounded she was not given insanity plea.
These are difficult cases to watch.
Many thanks Emma!
She was all about playing it up for the camera! When the verdict was finally read for the insanity part if you watch her face it's like oh I dont have to pretend anymore! She may have been under the influence of meth but it's not an excusable defense in almost all 50 states!
Her case definitely surprised me. She is laughing and smirking throughout the trial. It doesn't look put on unlike Leticia Stauch who clearly was acting.
Five years is an insult to those lovely innocent babies and to everyone that loved them of which she is not one.
Five years is not nearly long enough to deal with whatever is going on in her head, she proved that with her vicious letter to the babies grieving family. So incredibly sad
10yrs 😱 total disgrace..my heart goes out to the father and family...😔💔
This one really hit you hard Emma. It was evident in your voice and face at 14:51. M y heart goes out to Stephen. God bless him.
5 years!! Oh hell no! And never even in a Prison. Noooo
My mom just told me that you just had a little girl as she saw me watching this video. Congratulations on your new little one Emma ❤🎉
Congratulations on your new baby girl! Beautiful little girl with a beautiful name. Well done you. You hid that well xx
The fact she is soon to be released must be so terrifying for Steven and his partner, a woman who still blames him for everything she did is a dangerous woman. Very manipulative, very worrying. Rest in peace darling babies and i wish Steven and his family lots of love and luck xxx
Congratulations Emma on the birth of your beautiful daughter!! She was truly worth the wait I’m sure. The struggle is hard but when you hold that baby you forget for a moment xxx
I remember this like it was yesterday 😢 she moved to broadstairs into the new builds at Westwood npt Margate. I agree with a lot of things you say. But she planned this!! I know someone on a personal level that worked in A&E and was first responders. She refused to let her parents have the children the night they came to the end. She wanted to hurt the dad because he didn’t want her. Everyone locally is sickened that she only got 10 years. After she drowned them she placed them in bed 😢
Is it just me or does she have a darkness in her eyes...devoid of humanity. What an injustice this is, i just hope she doesnt cause further pain when she is released.
Your insight is so valuable to understanding the complexities of these horrific cases. I appreciate the look at the perpetrator’s mental health because it highlights a huge opportunity missed that might have prevented this whole situation from happening.
Your knowledge and understanding of mental health is such a gift!! Keep up the amazing work!! #TrueCrimeRoleModel ❤❤❤❤❤
The sentence is absolutely heinous, disgusting and the punishment does NOT match the crime
I believe 100% it could have been prevented. Mental health services should have notified child protective service and got those babies in protective care. I truly believe she did manipulate the system and that she knew exactly what she was doing. She was building her defense by obsessively calling, she knew the right things to a say to keep them from coming to get the babies from her,but they dropped the ball by not checking further into it.
My heart just breaks for Stephen. He knew well enough to get himself away from her but was unable to get his children away from her to safety. Her resentment, entitlement and absolute lack of accountability created this entire tragedy. And it's ENTIRELY unfair that she'll be out in society enjoying her freedom after stealing it from two absolutely beautiful, innocent angels that she was SO LUCKY to have brought into the world. Also, she's stolen Stephen's freedom to watch his children grow into adults and experience with them all of the milestones that parents celebrate.
Disgusting. Tragic. And absolutely diabolical.💔
Her parents what on earth where they thinking?! If u know ur daughter is depressed and u have seen her mental health decline why on earth would u leave her with two vulnerable kids?? Any fool knows she can harm then and herself!!
I dont by her diminished capacity at all. She killed her precious children to punish her ex. The fact that she is able to decide that she is not guilty of murder but manslaughter is very telling of her mental and cognitive abilities.
This is just so so sad. Depression is never an excuse for revenge.
From sarah .as a person who has had mental health issues for over 45 yrs since i was 6 ,including ptsd and post natal after my 2 daughters now adults .i know i couldnt ever think of ever harming children .i once was once asked what keeps me going it was my children and now my granddaughter ive worked with 100s of children over the yrs ..ive tried to commit suicide at least 4 times because i thought others was better off without me ,that i was a hindrence id rather harm myself than others .this is so heartbreaking. I look at my granddaughter and the joy she brings to my life and realise that my eldest was right imagine if i was successful the first time at 18 i wouldnt have had my children and granddaughter and had a positive affect on others .i still have trumua councilling and group councilling as i suffered aces and scored 9 out of 10 of them .plus many other trumuas .the affect of their loss wont ever go away for their beautiful childrens family .😢😢😢
Even at the darkest depths of my depression did I ever want to harm my children in any way
Congratulations on the birth of your baby girl Emma ❤️
I look back to when my kids were 2. They are strong little wrigglers. That to me makes her more guilty. She deserved 2 life sentences.
I suffer from BPD I have been medicated since the age of 17 I’m now 32 iv been on quetiapine for that amount of time. I have never had a long term therapy as it is so underfunded in the uk. I would love to come off this medication but without the help from talking therapies and easier access to GP’s it will never happen I can’t afford private. I totally agree that although we have come far in mental health people are just being medicated without proper psychological therapy x
Your amazing Emma and I look everyday for your new content. Your knowledge of psychology shines through and you do this in a thoughtful and wonderful way. Thank you for all your hard work in research. Cheers Elizabeth
She should of got 2 life sentences she took 2 beautiful lives, what a vile creature..hopefully karma visits her in her cell
Thanks em. Heartbreaking once again, but very important that you cover this crime so e everyone knows about it.
This is one of the best episodes you’ve done Emma. Sounds a bit weird given the content but you are so knowledgeable in this area. Thanks again ❤
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Your analysis is extraordinary
It’s interesting (ridiculous, rather) to me when people say “I’ve been hearing voices in my head” only after they’ve done something terrible. Like yeah, sure ya have mate.
Also, when someone says “I am hearing voices in my head” they’re automatically giving themselves away that they do not, in fact, have auditory hallucinations.
An auditory hallucination isn’t *in* your head, it’s as real as someone standing in front of you speaking to you. It sounds like it’s outside your head, just like anyone else’s very real voice.
Absolutely, my littlest sister had audio-visual hallucinations, and they were all totally real to her. She never said the voices in my head. Sadly we lost her but thankful she didn't kill her children also .
Nicholas Crews (school shooter) was saying the voices in his head were telling him to like guns and kill people. The officer interviewing him told him something like "I think that's just your voice because you like guns, right? And you killed people, right? So yah that's just your voice." He just kinda sat there 😳 stunned that someone wasn't letting him use that as an excuse. He also tried to act (badly) like he didn't know where he was when he was getting arrested and the officers just told him to shut up.
CONGRATULATIONS EMMA and family on the birth of your beautiful baby girl🥳🥳 you sneaky lady🤣🥳🥳🥳🥳
Stephen is spot on, he's a victim too. She wanted him out, she wanted the divorce, she put the blame of her actions and her part in everything on Stephen.
I really hope Stephen finds peace to some extent and finds a way of coping with his future and his new family.
This makes me so upset and my heart aches for those babies.
I can’t even comprehend how Steven and his family feel 😢
Thank you so much Emma for covering this case. I lived so close to there when it Happend. It was devestating to the community. You have presented it so thoughtfully & and to the detail. Rip beautiful babies.
My heart aches for the husband xx
That letter right there should be sent to the judge.