Bojack Horseman - Is Mr. Peanutbutter Happy?
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- Опубліковано 6 січ 2018
- Is the happiest character in the show, actually happy?
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Relevant quote from Mr Peanutbutter (Season 1 Episode 12):
"The universe is a cruel, uncaring void. The key to being happy isn't to search for meaning. It's to just keep yourself busy with unimportant nonsense. And eventually, you'll be dead."
I don't think he's unhappy. I don't think he's necessarily happy either. But he actively chooses to ignore all the bad stuff.
It was this quote that inspired this video. There are characters in Bojack Horseman who are completely satisfied with their lives and have good advice on how to be happy. Mr. PB is happy with most of his life, but not everything.
viljamtheninja i think he realized there was no meaning to life early and he was at first depressed about it or something and one day he decided to make the most of the things the best he could because he only has a little time left, might as well enjoy it
sound like something a 13 emo would say onTumblr
i wish i could go through life like that....
He seems like the most emotionally stunted character to me. It's ok to not be happy all the time.
_"You think I don't notice? Why don't you like me?"_
Anita Tamberg 😢😢😢
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it was painful to hear
i felt that :(
While Bojack lives in his own personal hell and tries to drag everyone with him, Mr. Peanutbutter fears of becoming someone like Bojack. This is a painful animated show.
Which makes mr PB and even Todd more vulnerable to becoming like bojack ironically. At least bojack has the chance to escape his hell, let alone survive it.
@@righthandstep5 wow....
@@ddoober indeed. Anyone can become a batman or joker, much like in hollywoo/hollywoob anyone can be a bj or a mr pb/ todd (although todd is so 1-dimensional).
@@righthandstep5 I disagree, Todd isn't 1-dimensional
Mainly dragging Diane.
He dragged Diane to his hell the whole show.Bojack.Not Mr.Peanutbutter.
Is Mr Peanutbutter happy? Let's find out!!
What does this UA-camr know? Does he know things? Let's find out!!
how this gets 700 likes is beyond me. really shows what youtube was like 2 years ago lmao
Hope so
@@hunty4322 7k likes 4 months later. Shows what UA-cam is really like now lmao
Is this depressed? Does he have mental problems? LETS FIND OUT
No one would suspect Robin Williams of being unhappy, despite the fact that he put on an amazing persona of continuously being so happy.
All about animation Really? Because even as a kid I saw Robin as a comedic genius type who seemed prone to episodes of extreme sadness. He even shows it in the third act of Mrs Doubtfire.
I mean, you are supposed to act in your movies. So.
All about animation Actors use real memories and events to tap into those feelings sooooooo
People with depression know what depression looks like in other people.
@@apseudonym *gatekeeping deppression*
The glass is empty but at least I enjoyed my drink. kind of bittersweet.
The Greek philosopher Diogenes of Sinope said that people ought to be more like dogs, because dogs are happy by default and don't worry about things that are beyond their control. But this doesn't mean that dogs can't sometimes feel doubt or pain, or that it can't cause them long-term problems. But it is their nature to return to their natural state of being happy and content, even with very little.
@Amber Berkenveld Cynicism came from and was named after Diogenes the Cynic. They called him Diogenes the Dog, because he chose to live on the streets in a barrel and own nothing and dogs often surrounded him and he loved the dogs. He always happened to think there were some serious flaws in the higher authority of government and sought to criticize and bring them to light.
Mr Peanutbutter is kind of a respite for me in the show's cast of sensible, but sometimes overwhelming seriousness. He reminds me in every episode that a person can still be positive, engrossed in their passions, good-natured and relatively content. I really like him as a character.
IMO he's the most likely character on the show to commit suicide. Every other character struggles against themselves, the world, and their decision and faces depression and failure and flaws. Mr Peanut Butter still suffers those feelings but he suppresses them and he runs from working on himself, his flaws, or the problems in his world. He leaves those problems to be everyone else's to fix at THEIR expense. But as his marriage with Dianne failed, and when his brother was discovered dying, and during the gameshow with Bojack you see the underlying depression that is there the entire time. I mean when he fights with Dianne he mentions her leaving like his last wife....he's still holding THAT with him too and just never addresses it. All the negative feelings that he never expresses until he breaks and then he expresses them to an extreme. While everyone else is making progress via their efforts, he's getting worse.
I disagree, I think Mr. Peanutbutter is in fact happy, however, the specific type of happiness, one that blocks out other emotions has a price. It makes it difficult for him to form a real connection with others, his pervious marriages failed for the same reason it's failing with Diana. He is cut off from his more difficult emotions which also means he is cut off from growth. He thus stays largely the same, save when those difficult emotions bleed through. I think it would be false to say that makes him un-happy. All the characters have chosen a way to live their lives; all of them pay a price. Bojack is in touch with reality and his failures which provide the chance for growth and change but is miserable and overwhelmed by it's weight. Mr. Peanutbutter is happy and moves from misadventure to misadventure unscathed but so detached from himself he can only find shallow meaning and fulfillment. This is why Bojack hates him, he is a mirror image of his choice with regards to his emotions.
He's shown that he doesn't block it out though, he notices and pretends and hides it. You can see him strained actively pretending to be happy/polite in several instances in the show and you can tell he's actively uncomfortable. When he broke down with Bojack on the gameshow, when he broke down with Diane at the after party. When he's talking about being one big fight away form losing the marriage. ETC and so forth. Mr Peanut Butter is not blocking it, he's there and absorbing it the entire time. He's not blocking it out, he's trying to escape it afterwards and you can't escape what you don't know about. If you block it out then you're never letting yourself be aware of it in the first place. But Mr PB DOES remember alot of little details alot of the time, which he points out in after the party in the Starbucks scene. It's really good writing honestly, they are super consistent.
He doesn't block it out successfully and he doesn't block it out are different. There are multiple levels of awareness, most notable conscious, unconscious and emotional. One can block out the emotional impact of a situation while being able to absorb and retain the mechanics of the events. The subconscious can hold a lot from the awareness of a person, while still allowing access when the time and situation call for it. I don't see him as open to his more difficult emotions, that fact that he experiences them simply shows like everyone else, he can not control his emotions and eventually they will break out.
But at the point you're saying he's consistently not blocking it out successfully you end up at exactly what I described lol. And again they show again and again him reacting to things as they happen as well as long term too so he's plainly not blocking out the emotional impact successfully either. It's not subconscious because he's constantly referring to things happening or showing he's painfully aware of it. Also controlling your emotions and blocking them out are dramatically different things. Control = they exist and you are aware of them but you deal with them by keeping them in check, blocking them out = you repressing them completely and being unaware of them because you are living in your own delusion where those emotions do not exist at all.. They are different concepts and he shows his emotions far too often to be blocking them out.
Bojack and Mr. P are like complete opposites, Bojack refuses to find happiness because he's experienced nothing but people telling him he doesn't deserve it and Mr. Penutbutter lives in a disillusioned world of happiness because everthing has gone so well for him and when bad things that he has to face do happen he trys to ignore them. Bojack lives in a world of self-criticism and refuses look passed these because he belives he isn't worth it, Mr. P only see the positives but has trouble confronting the negatives. The two are honestley good for each other because they can show each other the other side of life they either ignore or belive they don't deserve.
Walking Stash I’ll gladly take a life as Mr Peanutbutter than living in the hell that is BoJack Horseman. 😩
They're an odd couple when you think of it, and I wouldn't say the two NEED each other... but I will say I think they both do better when they're in each other's life. Or at least, they can improve one another.
You completely missed the point.
Yes! It's how they're so diametrically opposed as characters that makes them a comic combination, they are these dysfunctional friends who spend so much time together, but who seem to completely reject each other's world view the whole time. Also a grumpy horse and an over-excited labrador was a great running joke well worth personifying...
I wouldn't also say that Bojack and Mr Peanutbutter need each other, but need each other's company to have a balance. Because Mr Peanutbutter is a literal dog, and dogs need attention and love to be happy and Bojack is like an average human man that's alone, he needs the company of something or someone to show him that there's always someone there for him when things get bad.
Mr. Peanutbutter is in fact happy. The problem is, he's too obssessed with the idea of being happy. So when he's confronted with an issue that putting on a smile can't fix, he gets frustrated. What he needs to do is work on accepting that life isn't always rainbows and sunshine, and that's okay as long as he doesn't lose himself. There's nothing wrong with facing adversity with some optimism, but that's supposed to be a coping mechanism, not an objective.
Thanks for this interpretation
I hate when people see a happy character and are "oo hE's puTtinG oN a faCe" imediately
No one is happy 24/7, but Mr PeanutButter is healthy in his own way and sometimes can be flawed like everyone else
The scene where he's looking for office space with Todd and he suddenly has that soliloquy was when I realised there's a lot more to this guy than we like to think.
Agreed.
Short answer: No.
Long answer: Im miserable.
I want to pet Mr Peanutbutter.
I admire mr peanutbutter, he doesn't find confort in misery, he doesn't ruin every thing he has just to get some emotional validation, he tries his hardest not to sink and become a washed out has been... and his reward is scorn and ridicule, being the butt of the joke and the target of resentment by the very people he tries to make happy
I agree. People tell me that I'm too lenient in my vids with Mr. PB and I can't really say that they're wrong. I share the mindset of "A problem is just a misunderstood opportunity" so I tend to give leeway to Mr. PB whenever he messes up. However, while I don't think people should ruin their lives for the sake of emotional validation, I do at times wonder if people who make their lives better for the same reason are being any less selfish.
I do agree, his attitude on life is admirable, but as he never wallows in his misery, he also never learns from it. His constant ignorance of Diane's differing mindset on grand gestures is one example. If he ever felt bad for making her angry or confused or sad, he would quickly let it go because it's a "negative emotion". This can be good at times, but he has to use bad experiences to guide him to make more informed choices. Ignoring it all together puts off the issue for another time, possibly making it bigger when it returns (in the case of the earlier example, his Diane relationship is reaching divorce levels, even if it's not entirely his fault).
I think this is why he keeps getting relationships with such miserable women. It's not that he has particular attraction to that personality, it's just that he never learns from the last relationship that he doesn't meld well with these types in the long term. Hence having 2 divorces, hinging on a third.
People who survive toxic or narcissistic relationships without souring and becoming toxic themselves have an enormous resistance to they're tactics, but they still end up damaged in one way or another. Mr Peanutbutter is likely a codependent people pleaser, his mind is designed to please everyone and he grows increasingly anxious and frustrated when dealing with people who whorship and justify they're own misery.
If Diane was his first horrible marriage it would just a mistake, but 3 is a pattern that reveals some kind of self destructive compulsion present in Mr. Peanutbutter
I'm really just glad the character exists. A lot of these adult cartoons today, Rick & Morty, Bojack Horseman, seem to glorify being a depressive asshole. Like that is the one true personality of a "real" smart, sensible individual. Nice, cheerful people are usually just portrayed as utter idiots who cannot see the actual bleakness of life, hypocrites who fake it or charming predatory assholes wearing sheep skin.
That's why I love Mr. PB, he's (up to this point in the series) just a genuinely nice, optimistic guy. Flaws and issues just as everyone else but trying to shine a little sun on everyone around him regardless.
Rodrigo Vega Mr. Peanutbutter is a Nice, cheerful character that is just portrayed as an utter idiots who cannot seem to see the actual bleakness of life. He is faking it.
Season 5 is totally going to be MPB's season. The divorce with Diane is going to break down that rainbow wall and we're going to see the REAL dog behind the smile.
YAASSS
I really don't want them to divorce... Seeing him depressed would crush me.
EFoxKitsune same
I have this theory that he would eventually commit suicide...well it's Bojack Horseman, so someone has to commit suicide at some point in the series.
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I wonder how mentally exausting it is for him to put on a smile all the time, it must take a LOT of effort to try to be positive all the time the way he does
I would imagine that being happy and enjoying life comes easy to Mr. PB, after all, practice makes perfect and he's been practicing being happy his whole life. I think most of the time he is genuinely happy and doesn't see the negativity, it's only when he rarely comes across something that actually upsets him that he tries to hide it.
I can identify myself with peanut butter a lot, I always try to stay positive, and tbh, it really becomes somethings that you do without even realizing, like an instinct however I don’t avoid my problems as much a PB does, that might cause a problem for him in the future, but I’m sure he will keep going, and stand up just as everyone else had
He's a golden retriever. Those dogs are happy and cheerful for no reason other than that is their purpose to be.
I kinda act the same way but that's mainly because every story my grandparents have told me about what it was like for them growing up I'm thankful for everything I have. I'm not always happy but I always make sure to be strong during the tough times.
I actually think Princess Caroline is more happy than Mr. Peanutbutter.
Mr. Peanutbutter is unable to cope with adversity because things usually go his way. Staying positive works for him because luck has always or usually favored him.
On the other hand, Princess Caroline had to make her own happiness, in spite of negative circumstances. She faces constant challenges and setbacks, and sometimes is sad, but "always lands on her feet" because she's learned how to handle being unlucky in many areas of life. Handling rejection, failure in love, business problems. The only thing that really gets her down is not being able to have a child. But it seems like even with that she's more resilient in the face of setbacks than other characters. The show might be saying that happiness is about handling challenges life throws at us.
Also remember his life philosophy to happiness he told Diane! "Just surround yourself with unimportant nonsense, and eventually you'll be dead".
He's happy because he's in a position to constantly distract himself from reality. I always notice he's never rooted in what's really going on unless he's forced to confront it.
I don't think PB has distracted himself from reality. Reality, for PB, is something inconsequential. It's the cosmic perspective of life, where our life is essentially just a small aimless dust particle in space. So, since life is meaningless, why face any emotional pain? There just isn't any upside in the grand scheme of his nihilistic viewpoint.
The thing is, he definitely is happy, but he runs into his problems that temporarily change his personality or show his true emotions whenever there is one. But realistically, I’m pretty sure that’s completely average and normal for someone who sees the bright side of things in their lives
Eaxl my theory is that the animal characters species are picked based on personality.
Not really. Dogs have very different personalities. It depends on lot of their experiences - one of my dogs lived on the street and was probably mistreated before being rescued as an adult, and when I adopted him, he was incredibly traumatized and afraid and wouldn't even look at people. It took him a while to open up. He's happy now, but he's still different in personality than my other dog, who I found when he was an abandoned puppy, just 2 months old.
To me I feel Mr. Peanutbutter tries to be happy and wants to make the world a positive place and even wants to avoid the dark reality of life by trying to be something of the joyful and fun type
Eaxl Noooot all dogs are nice tho
But like how do you even know that? Like just because you appear happy doesn't mean you are 100% happy.
Id say PB is for the most part mentally healthy and well adjusted, but he has a really hard time dealing with negative emotions, so he pushes them away and once they do reach him, they affect him a lot. Kind of like when a person who almost never got sick growing up has a really hard time dealing with illness later in life, so what PB tries to do is to surround himself in a protective bubble of happiness. Thankfully, he is well adjusted enough to go through most negative experiences without letting them affect his own mental health, and most of his problems arise from not being able to connect, empathize and truly understand the less mentally healthy people in his life.
I fee like, once something happens that PBs protective bubble of happiness isnt strong enough to keep at bay, he will probably have one of the darkest most horrifyingly depressing arcs, and will need the help of the people in his life who are most used to depression, anxiety and suicidal thoughts to help him re-surface, Diane and Bojack
I hate to say it, but judging by how the show treats suicide it would be narrativly poetic for him to kill himself, or at least attempt it, as I see parallels between him and secretariat.
Just keep running, and don't look back. I would be shocked if his running doesn't catch up to him soon
I think bojack will die in the end, possibly suicide...I think his show is the happy version of his own life, and also in his show he dies in the end.
Bojack has already attempted suicide at the end of season 3, (remeber when he let his hands off the wheel driving down the highway) and even after that he did hit rock bottom and bounced from it during season 4. For which we do see for the first time in the whole show that he is genuinely happy in a way that dosn't blow up in his face later.
Considering how many people are saying this pretending like it's their own thoughts yet echoing the exact same reasons, I'm gonna go ahead and assume that YOU didn't actually see those parallels yourself but are just echoing them without much reflection. What UA-cam video/reddit post did you get that idea from?
Aesthetic Pigeon "Something bad?" You mean that "something bad" is going to happen to a character in the cast of Bojack Horseman? Wow, you're so amazingly observant. Bad things happen to all the characters. I'm specifically talking about Mr Peanutbutter committing or attempting suicide.
And I don't buy that lots of people came up with that idea on their own. Obviously something bad is going to happen to the character; as you say, he runs away from everything negative and he's gonna be forced to deal with that... again (because, as even the video tells us, he already has been once.)
But to go from there to assume that he'll commit/attempt to commit suicide is a hell of a leap, and shows very one-dimensional thinking: "Hey I just noticed this thing (MrP doesn't face his problems) and since that made me feel smart I'm gonna assume that that'll be drawn to its ultimate conclusion." I could say the same thing about ANY of the characters in the show and it wouldn't be some sort of intelligent observation or theory; it'd merely be noticing what the show is shoving in my face, realizing that something bad is going to happen (which is about on the same level as realizing that the sun is probably gonna set today) and being annoyingly convinced that this one character is more likely than the others to attempt suicide.
In short, there's NO basis for why Mr P would be a more likely candidate for suicide than any of the other characters. Which is why I'm 100% confident that all the people spouting this particular theory are NOT based on their own original thought but basing it on some jackass on UA-cam or Reddit whose words they ate up without reflecting critically on. Because that's how it goes every damn time.
Which is not to say it wouldn't be an interesting narrative step for the show to take. I just don't buy the tons of people claiming it's their own original thought, because I've been around long enough to know the smell of bullshit.
It’s kinda sad how I connect with Mr. Peanutbutter on a emotional level
I feel kinda the same
Things work out for Peanutbutter because he believes that it will work out. This is the power of positive thinking
How much me and Mr. Peanut Butter are alike is terrifying.
We're both blindingly optimistic yet when we're confronted with the bad to our face, we are angered by it. When we face a crisis, we get mad and hurt and depressed, but stay positive, no matter how painful it is.
We hide our emotions under a thick veil of positivity, but the moment our veil is lifted, our true pain comes out.
God damn it, this series is hard to watch.
dame I cant even hide it under positivity if anything I'm more bojack
@@dyl4nftp I'm losing the battle slowly...but I'm hanging in there.
Just relieve your pain through edgy, offensive, and depressing jokes! I've been doing that for a long time!
Great episode. Mr. Pb is such an interesting character. Very complex. I feel like I understand him a bit better now. I never noticed that Mr. peanut butter has such problems with abandonment. Furthermore, it is interesting that he cannot address the negative, he just goes straight to depressed. I hope in a future episode you can maybe speculate what kind of trauma mr. pb is running from. It seems like his original owners might have left him in the woods or something.
I've yet to discover any evidence to support that he has any type of trauma, I simply think the traits that make him happy also have negative effects on him. He tries to make the best of life, but as a result, when something comes around that he can't put a positive spin on, he seems to have trouble dealing.
Yea, at the begining you think that mr peanutbutter is an idiot in the sense that ignorance is a bliss, then you realize that is more self aware than most characters. On my opinion he and bojack are two faces of nihilism, both know that there is no purpose, that we are here by chance and for a short moment, but bojack knowing this tries still to find meaning, while mr peanut butter just tries to enjoy the ride, they could be deny and acceptance.
Actually, Im sick and tired of admiring unhappiness. Whenever I look, who ever I talk to, I always see one pattern.
'Im so unhappy. Im a loser. Im a real life disaster. Unhappiness makes me better than others. They dont understand me etc.'
It's a shame that such a way of thinking is shown as a good one. As the one you should choose.
(in a way even Bojack showed it. When he messes up and then give a speech to make ppl forgive him, it's often shown that such speeches are ridiculous and that's not enough to make things right.)
That's why I really respect Mr. Peanutbutter. He's happy for some time but not truly happy. Yet, he does not prirotise his sadness. He puts his friends and important ones above himself (even if he's not great in doing so), and does try to do sth about it (positive thinking, helping your friends, etc).
I'm grateful for this character.
I think MPB and Diane represent the two ways we deal with negative feelings in our life. You either actively ignore and hide them behind your happy face like MPB, or be honest and depressed about them like Diane.
But always ignoring and hiding the negative feeling that is making you dead inside is not the way to go. Same goes for giving a fuck and being despaired about every single negativity pops up in your thought.
I think that's why you need to learn the both ways. You try to ignore and move on from negativity as much as you can, but when it gets too serious and unbearable, it's okay to be accepting and honest about those feelings.
Both MPB and Diane would be in so much better shape if both can learn each other's way
I'm not sure if he will actually kill himself. Bojack Horseman has a lot of depressing moments but it is a lot more positive than people ve 7t credit for. It shows how these characters find happiness in their lives, and like in life, there are a lot of moments of pain and sadness, but yo eventually find the way.
What i'm trying to say is that Bojack Horseman isn't a show about "Life is horrible. Everyone is miserable and they don't know yet", even if Bojack's view about life indicates so. It's a show about getting better and the rocky but rewarding search for happiness. This is why i don't think they'd do something as pessimistic as killing Mr. Peanutbutter to laugh at the people who see good in life (which again, is part of Bojack's view on life which the show doesn't validate). I'm sure that at some point or another he will hit rock bottom like the rest of the characters have, but at the end he will stand up and keep going just like them. Because such a pessimistic message as making the happy positive guy kill himself because "those people are weak" is not something this show would do since it goes againt the whole point of it.
sigh... I literally just finished writing a script about how Bojack Horseman isn't trying to tell people they have to be miserable. Thanks Matt, now everyone's gonna think I stole this idea from you.
Lulz, seriously, though, you're the first Person I've seen to find a way for the show to end artistically without being tragic, well done. Though I will say that when most people think Mr. PB is going to take the Secretariate route, I don't think it's because they see happiness as weakness, but rather because the message that "even the strongest of us have their breaking point" is very powerful.
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I'm really looking forward to see that video. It bothers me how people talk about depressing shows like Bojack Horseman like they are about how life is meaningless and life is horrible because of the protagonist's depressing view of the world and sometimes use it to justify their self-destructive behavior. I'm glad you will be able to talk about the show's message of hope and recovery.
As for Mr. PB. Of course i don't think that's the reason people want him to go the Secretariat route, it's a cool twist and would be pretty poetic if you think about it, but Secretariat was more what could happen to Bojack. If PB kills himself it would leave, intentionally or not, a message that being happy and optimistic is stupid and you won't last. Or as Bojack would say about PB "He doesn't know realize how miserable he should be".
For example, Princess Carolyn is a determined person who never gives up. She just went trough one of the hardest moments of her lkfe and finally broke down but instead of giving up on life she started back from the bottom. That's what should happen to PB. He should lose his wife and his optimism, but instead of just suffering and ending his life, it could start a new arc for the character where he grows better like it has been happening to all charcters.
Well, i think we need to see the 5th season, because right now things are starting to seem better for bojack, but lets see if they actually get better or worse
Aesthetic Pigeon I see your point and PB obviously has problems to solve. But there are better ways to show the consequences of his ways than making him end his life. This is a show about recovery and how to find happiness, all the characters touch rock bottom at one point or another but they stand up and try again. If a main character killed themselves, that would mean it's too late and that goes against the show's message.
For Mr. Peanutbutter's character to progress he has to lose everything and be at his lowest like it has happened to most of the cast so far and i think that's what will happen next season. But it doesn’t need to make him die, it needs to make him want to change.
Aesthetic Pigeon Losing Diane would be the breaking point. His two ex wives were abusive to him and left him, causing PB to be constantly afraid of Diane getting bored and leaving.
Yes, he has lost a lot. But he has this belief that a right attitude is enough to get what he wants because it always works.
It doesn’t need to be something like when he thought his brother was going to die, he lost all hope at that moment.
What Peanutbutter needs to be in a situation where being positive isn't enough to fix his problem, but it wouldn’t mean he would have to kill himself. It would mean that, for the first time, he would need to change.
Great video. Mr. Peanutbutter is one of my favorites.
I’d say he is happy. But happiness is more of a state of being than an emotion. Of course emotions fluctuate. Of course Mr. Peanutbutter has negative emotions like any normal human being (or dog) does. And when those negative emotions come up for someone who experiences them less than average, it can seem more like a stark contrast. Totally normal. As a general baseline though, Mr. Peanutbutter is happier than the other characters on the show.
One of the things I also noticed is when Bojack calls Diane's boyfriend "stupid" and insults him and puts him down...Diane NEVER defends him or disagrees with Bojack and more often than not she just stays quiet. This says a lot about their relationship to me even in the first episode. If somebody kept saying stuff like that about my boyfriend I'd be throwing hands.
It's Bojack Horseman. No one is happy.
Just like real life
WRONG. There are ups and downs in everyone's life. No one is ALWAYS happy. Everybody has good times and bad times and everybody reacts differently to those good and bad times. Mr Peanutbutter has good times and he reacts greatly to them and feels so much joy most of the time and is kind and helpful for everyone and tries his best to keep things good and he has REAL happiness, he had bad times and ignores his feelings of despair in an unhealthy way. Bojack has bad times and thinks he deserves it and wallows in his own misery and self pity. He has good times and says he doesn't deserve them and refuses to accept any joy he should have. Everyone has ups and downs. Everyone needs to learn their flaws. Everyone needs to grow as a person to do what's right for themselves and for others.
Just like real life.
i always felt that both bojack and mr pb represent nihilism-
bojack represents the "life doesnt matter- so theres no point in doing anything"
while mr pb represents the "life doesnt matter, so live your life to the fullest.
so in essence, they BOTH have depression, but they each handle it differently
Realizing that life is pointless is not necessarily depression, though it is a common symptom. Depression is moreso an inability to feel accomplished, which Mr. PB expresses all the time and Bojack has felt quite a bit in the series.
oh yeah! i know, ive suffered w depression for the past 4 years--
ive just noticed that bj and mr pb directly parallel each other-- so itd make sense for them both to have depression when they represent different sides of the same coin
It's funny how things seem to be looking up for Bojack but Mr. Peanut butter and Diane are having the worse time.
Honestly, the scenes where Mr. Peanutbutter howls with with brother are some of the saddest in the show to me. The writers did an excellent job getting into how a dog might experience the world. His sadness was so rare to see that when they howled, I cried.
BoJack Horseman has a very interesting take on PB and Diane when it comes to their life styles and philosophies, ignorance is bliss and extream advocacy respectivly, they show the dangers of both of their lifestyles. PB's refusal to confront problems has lead to him having 2 (soon to be 3) divorces and he is perceived as a glorified clown in the industry/society. Diane has such a stubborn hold on her beliefs that she dooms herself to be a hypocrite and she's practicality a nobody in the industry/society which causes her her to become overly defensive for her causes since those are the few times where she feels in control.
Mr. Peanutbutter has some deep, dark secrets.
In situation comedies the envied character has everything the protagonist wants in life.
However the envied character often comes across as a Mary Sue, whose sole purpose is to be universally better than the main character to an absurd degree. They also have the perfect life and everything to show for it.
Mr Peanutbutter is different. He lives an aimless life and has very little to show for it. He is only better than Bojack in one area. Being happy. Sure he slips up plenty of times, but he has quite a few reasons to be miserable. His depressing relationship with Diane would be frustrating for the best of us. Yet he goes through it with a giant smile on his face.
He dives into every daft business idea that Todd has. He is impulsive, full of life and always energetic. Bojack wishes he could be as happy as Mr Peanutbutter.
As for truly happy. I don't think that is a realistic state of mind. He is as happy as it is possible to be.
God you are such a good content creator
I have always identified with Peantbutter. We're nice guys and we try to see the positivity in things. We try to cheer others up, we try to not let life get us down. But there are times where we have just had enough and we HAVE to speak our mind. I can honestly say that Mister Peanutbutter is my favorite character in the series because of how he approaches life. :')
Huge fan of your videos! Always love watching them!
Omg I'm in love with your BoJack's videos. Good job
I’m scared of people irl that act similar to him since they legit always hide something
He's just representing what it's like to be a dog,
Don't be, we aren't monsters we are just very good at hiding pain and letting bad memories burried in the past.
great video as always shady!
One of my favorite characters
How can you be happy with the first name mister
And a wife that calls you by both names every time
I always thought about him as Bojack when he was younger, full of joy and hope on others.
Since the show started BoJack became more and more happy, less and less bitter
What if Mr.PB is also progressing, but backwards?
What if every season he becomes more and more unhappy inside, yet still tries to act like it’s okay?
I bet the next season is gonna dive full on into his mind and we’ll finally see how m break, like all the other characters.
That sounds more like what Diane is going through.
Diane was always unhappy in some way.
Mr.PB on the other hand has more and more reasons to be sad with each season.
Currently he’s on a verge of an another divorce and Captain PeanutButter is probably going to die this season as well.
He also failed to become a good governor, pushed an idiotic bill and is currently unemployed.
Well in 5th season he seens to becoming something like Bojack, and he is living with guilt of sleeping with Diane. About Sixt season, i haven't seen anything after the 3 Episode for now
another great bojack vid!!! keep it up man!!
I feel Mr peanut butter tries and wants to be happy and even avoids the dark reality of life by being the happy joyful type well having the same darkness that's in most people anger and sadness
The one true moment where Mr. Peanutbutter felt sadness and showed it, it felt to me that it was truly one of the moments where there was no baggage to him really expressing his emotions and he didn't feel like he needed to pretend to be happy. Of course I'm talking about his brother's medical problem. But I feel like Mr. Peanutbutter is sad a lot of the times or emotionally insecure, and I think back to the one episode where Bojack pretends to be cheery to cloud his emotions. In that episode you could see that Bojack and Mr. Peanutbutter were getting along (which is unusual given their relationship) and that led me to believe that Mr. Peanutbutter was putting on the same act. You know deep down that he wasn't happy with his marriage, and that was explicit with him revealing that to Todd. I haven't seen all of Season 5 yet, but after the divorce I'm really curious to see how this affects his emotions. I expect him to be happier possibly, but also at the same time really broken. I feel his marriage to Diane was another patch in the hole of his life to fill the void of his sadness. But idk, those are just my thoughts.
He's the national face of depression.
This video was great! Makes me want to rewatch bojack horseman!
I like your video essay and the way you break down your points. I think you conclusion could be a little bit stronger but overall well done! Subbed.
I don't think his unhappy, he clearly enjoys life and tries to make the better of it and unlike bojack he doesn't seem depressed. I think mr peanutbutter is supposed to represent the fact that happiness isn't a constant feeling, somme times there will be bad days,people or problems that will bum you out, but whats important is what you will do about them, and not to forget he also plays the role if the person who tries to make others feel better which is a thankless job on it's own
I will never look at a JIF container the same way again...
These analyses are amazing and I am subscribed af. Great videos dude, seriously. I hope your channel grows exponentially.
i think the face of depression episode confirmed he was happy
he's such a fascinating and underrated character. the moments where he is completely straightforward are awesome to watch
Mr. Peanutbutter is a character VERY similar to Chris Traeger from Parks and Recreation.
That's who I always compared him to
This was a wonderful video and helped to shed light on what most would overlook in Mr Peanut butter. I am not the biggest fan of him, but this does bring a deeper understanding and appreciation to how he was written. He probably is broken inside and a shocking way such as a suicide attempt would portray him in a light often overlooked. It is the happiest people who tend to be the most depressed. Humans use humour to brighten their dark minds and convince others AND themselves that they are okay (I've been in that place and it's very real). I feel like doing a close rewatch of the show sometime with a focus on Mr Peanutbutter's mannerisms as this video has been an incredible look on a complicated character. I binged your Bojack videos and they are all insightful.
Great video!
You are literally my nigga for this channel bruh. Thank you so much.
I loved the video!! 🌟🌟
You just gained a subscriber... Brilliant video dude.
He is my favorite character... i hope nothing bad happens to him 🙏🏽😢
The national face of depression
Well my life is complete due to your channel so thank you 😂
Excellent! He's my fav character, and I honestly have acted happy in my life when deep down I'm unhappy. I really connect with that character.
Life is a rollercoaster there's always yin and yang. It's always gonna rain but the sun will come out tomorrow.
A Bojack Horseman Video on how to be happy. That's like a "Rick and Morty" video on how to be a good parent.
Happiness is not constant.
To be considered happy, you don't always have to be happy.
You can be extremely sad sometimes, even when the time does not call for it, and still be happy.
But truthfully, I don't think he is happy.
He mentioned a lot of times that he is just distracting himself before the inevitable comes.
That everything in his life is a fleeting project.
That gives off the feeling of dread and bleakness.
Even though I have that same thought in my head, I live my life with purpose.
Things are not a distraction for the sake of being a distraction.
While I am alive, I want to do things that I think have meaning.
Does that make me a happy person, I think it does.
And that is okay with me.
That game show episode is one of the saddest episodes for PB. My heart breaks for him everytime I watch it.
I always found it interesting how Mr.PB does many of the same things as Bojack (he gets with very young women, is probably a closet alcoholic when you see his thunder room that he drinks in when he feels bad, and has bad habits for confronting his issues. Heck they even have very similar shows and never had any formal acting training).
Both got thrown into Hollywood, but Mr.PB had a good upbringing while Bojack didn't.
Nice video! You have remarkable insight.
I genuinely see Mr. Peanutbutter as someone so deeply sad that the only way out for them to do that is to completely reject objective reality.
I think he's happy. He's the characterization of "when you are, just fake the smile until it's not fake anymore ". What he really isn't is strong. He's not as strong as he wants to be. He is the kind of person that wants to look like he's everytime fine and he's life is awesome when is not ever like that. What he really fakes is his strength. He is a guy who is really emotional and sensible about his enviroment and the ones who surround him. He always tries to act like he's invincible and he's above the problems and even when the things hit him hard, he doesn't like to accept it. Sometimes he breaks because he just can't stand it anymore. I think this because I was like that for a while and for that I really respect Mr. PB, even when in the first season I hated it. What he doesn't knows is that being like that is dangerous. I had to learn it by the hard way.
And forgive the possible grammar/orthography errors that may appear in the comment. I'm not a native speaker and my english studies are pretty low, and no, I didn't used some translator.
I think the moral of Bojack Horseman is that no one is ever truly happy.
Cuddlywhiskers seems to be the only one who has escaped the void and found true happiness
Once I saw the season 6 trailer and that one part where the person says that a lot of people that act really happy are most likely the most depressed and that made me come back to this video
Mr. Peanutbutter is actually the most relatable of the characters for me, as I usually try to seem happy, but that may not always be what’s going on for me.
Theres alot of people in my family like this to the point that my family has a saying 'just keep smiling'. Its not a healthy way to be, you just end up keeping everything bottled up because you're ashamed of openly showing any negative emotions.
Nobody’s happy forever, nobody stays one thing. Bojack horseman expresses humanity through impermanence well
Great video and a great fucking show.
Mr PB has become one of my favorite characters, which I didn’t see coming at the beginning of the show.
I think Mr. Peanutbutter is just living the Camus way- evident in his little monologue about the universe in season one. Sure being alive is kinda pointless and miserable but you just gotta be happy to the best of your ability. Make the best of it, you won’t always be happy but you’ll be happier than other people who don’t realize there are some voids in us that cannot be filled and that’s something.
Short answer, while yes Mr. PB is happy, hes a actor, hes great at acting, and in the Hawaii episode, he wanted to get away from things and I have a bad feeling about him so no. He may be happy but hes not really happy happy like truly happy, not anymore at least
He really is a happy guy, he just gets a little scared sometimes that if something bad happens he might not be able to handle it. It happen to all of us.
There's always a down side to never dealing with negativity (a.k.a. problems).
If Mr. Peanutbutter isn't happy, then he's really good at fooling himself into thinking so.
Dude is bojack horseman, no one is happy
This is a really good video. It always seemed to me at least that there was more to Mr. Peanutbutter besides him not knowing how to deal with problems. It felt like I was reaching to see something wrong with him because everyone else in the show is damaged in some way. Mr. Peanutbutter always came across to me as if he's not always even close to as happy as the face he puts on for everyone.
....boy after watching this I get the feeling he’s going to have a dark turning point in season 6....or maybe I’m just overthinking it...
Another thing about Mr PeanutButter is that more so that he ignores the bad things. He has an addiction you could say to the positives. It’s like crack to him.
you deserve more attention.
Ignorance is bliss, but ignorance is also naive. And naivety is prone to getting used by others, which won't lead anywhere good.
"the glass may be empty, but at least i enjoyed my drink" kinda guy. hahaha niiice.
There was that video of ‘Psychiatrist Reacts’, where he briefly touches on there is something to be said about Mr. Peanutbutter’s “Toxic Positivity” and how it can be detrimental.
I won’t lie that thunder and howl gave me chills...hopefully he won’t commit suicide in the final season
Right before this one, I watched a video where i learned the word disquiet and the lady used that word while trying to sell Peanutbutter the place.
Life is funny.
okay, the ending was just haunting