Bojack Horseman - Diane's Growth
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I think the point of Diane being on the show, in my personal opinion, is to show that the voice of reason needs their own voice of reason.
That's a very good opinion. The show does a really good job of humanizing everyone
Paul Cervantes They definitely do, half the time, if not, all of the time, I don’t even realize the characters are anthropomorphic animals!
The purposes of the characters changed as the show went on. Diane was originally meant to be the voice of reason, as well as Bojack's personal judge of character but once season 2 came around, her purpose changed and she evolved to being flawed like the rest.
Shady Doorags I guess so, she does go through a lot of changes, but I think she still is the voice of reason of the show, or at least to BoJack. Even though she has a lot of flaws of her own, she is still the one that BoJack goes to personally for help, like in the aftermath of the Gena incident, BoJack goes right to Diane for help, which resulted in her taking BoJack to rehab. Sure, Diane is definitely flawed, but she still provides the voice of reason to BoJack. Also sure that some of the things that she says are hypocritical too, but as you said, she isn’t a perfect human being, she’s trying her best though.
But I guess one point remains, Diane doesn’t really stand for the whole show, but for BoJack. One assumption I have for a real voice of reason for the show in its entirety, is Charlotte or Cuddlywhisker’s. I guess Charlotte covers the lens of the outside world, with her saying Hollywoo is a sinkhole. Cuddlywhiskers covers the lens of the inside world as he says that you need to take responsibility for your own happiness. But you are right, in that in this show, nobody really stands for anything narratively speaking, they just exist for the sake of existing, and their lives are the show for the audience.
Too bad almost everything she says is either totally wrong, or only acknowledges half the issue; which then leads to a conclusion that is not only incomplete, but actively going to make the situation worse if applied as a solution. I'm not sure how much of that is her as a character, and how much of it is just the writers not understanding shit about economics.
I'm so mad at myself for not catching on that guy was a Chicago Bull
It was Walpole
Oh shit! Walpole! I'd forgotten about Extra Credits! Damn Walpole how you doing?
Qwerty Keyboard Extra Credits is such an addicting channel to learn history, seriously.
It was Walpole he’s a bison not a bull
Oh my god.... I'm so stupid
Oh, my, god
i loved when bojack cleaned dianes apartment. it reminded me of when my friend helped in cleaning my room. it was very sweet i love bojack and dianes relationship and im so so glad they didnt end up getting together
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And the fact that Bojack didn’t stay around after to see Diane’s reaction really shows his own growth.
@@cloudy772 exactly it made me so happy :")
@@cloudy772 those two's relationship change from dependent co-dependent dependent and independent has been fun to watch
It filled me with guilt. It took me back to the time when i was a kid and my mum and grandmother were so nice to me as to clean my room while i was hanging out with friends but I was so alarmed that my private space had been invaded that I freaked out instead of thanking them
That showed he has grown faster than Diane, he was motivated to help a friend cause he is not depressed anymore
"What's the point?"
"Of antidepressants? I believe to be anti-depressed."
One of my favorite lines in the entire series.
I liked that they decided NOT to have Diane and Bojack become a couple.....if the show is really ending with them as changed people, and there aren't going to be any more dark surprises.....
If Bojack has really changed for the better, I think its important for him to learn that you can have a strong connection with a member of the opposite sex without things turning sexual.
Bojack seemed incapable of having a "friendship" with a woman without it leading to sex. This messed him up in his relationships with Princess Caroline, Emily, Wanda, Gina, Sarah Lynne, Charlotte and worst of all, Penny.
He started to do this with Diane. Kissing her and trying to break up her engagement with Mr. Peanutbutter. But as the show went on he started to learn that he values her more of as a friend and not as a sexual partner. He starts to understand that you can love women in your life without it ever being Romantic or sexual.
He's learned it, but I think Penny and Gina (and Sarah Lynn's parents) are still going to make him pay in the finale
Yo thats a really good point
To be fair Wanda was his girlfriend, they dated normally
Well, Gina had no role in it, but Penny had a big part, and Sarah Lynn's parents took the cake
You should be making videos mate
I can relate to Diane. I am a hypocrite, I’m battling depression, I’m self loathing, and I’m miserable. Right now I’m trying to grow and evolve as a person.
I wish you good luck and hope you find a way to be happy!
Best of luck
That is all people can ask of you, to keep trying. If you look at anyone hard enough, we are all hypocrites ... Me included.
Maybe you are.
But it's still worth being you.
Try not to let those thoughts get in the way of living a good life and doing good for others.
Dude same. It sucks on most days and on others you be lucky to get anything done. But you’ll get though this, one way or another.
I get why many people are put off by Diane but personally I always found her likable (in the same way Bojack is, despite everything) and very relatable. The brief scene of her at the airport picking up Guy, laughing and looking much better and healthier, was one of the best bits of this season so far to me.
Yeah she’s looking happier but being fat isn’t healthy
@Mandy Obese may be a tad too strong, don't you think? Of course being overweight is not healthy but the whole point is that she was afraid to put on weight due to the meds (most likely due to aesthetic reasons, not health-related ones) but in the end she prioritized her mental health, which is what she has been struggling with for so long.
Mandy You sound bitter. I wouldn’t talk as much if I were you.
Mandy No ones saying it’s healthy, everyone’s just saying mind your business. 🤷🏼♀️
@Mandy Stop being fatphobic! Fat peoples can be healphy, y’know? She’s fat but not in a unhealphy level
I've always found Diane to be the most relatable character. For years being unhappy gave me a problem to solve. I didn't want a solution because I didnt know how to exist without a problem in front of me. The lows of facing a problem and the highs of solving it become familiar and comfortable. But when you finally stop and realize how good things are and try to be content with your life, you dont know how and you get hit with a lot anxiety and depression.
A L I always found Diane’s efforts to fix the world rather naive if you ask me. It’s not that I don’t believe there’s no point in improving the world, it’s just that she often assumes that you can solve large scale problems without first gaining the time, skills, resources, allies and not to mention confidence to do it. I love problem solving as an engineer by the way and WICKED problems (Large societal problems with multiple root causes) are not as simple as many activists assume it might be. The best way to deal with large problems is to first categorize them into small problems and deal with them one by one. For example, working with depression can be split into working on physical health, finding genuine relationships, getting sober, reading more, finding creative expressions, etc. I remember the book Think Like A Freak, from a pair of economists, mentioned that economical issues in society, such as unfair wealth distribution is best done by working with small problems in large efforts, such as planting one tree at a time a million times, can do a lot of good. One example they gave was a charity to pay for eyeglasses for those in poorer neighborhoods, to improve their attention to class in education, and it helped so much. In engineering, people often assume the more complicated equations are the most famous. But take Einstein’s E=Mc^2, energy turns into mass doubled by the speed of light. That’s very short. More often than not, the simpler a solution is, the better it is. Why? Because the point of solving problems is to make it easy to understand than to overcomplicate it. The simpler it is, the more people can join in improving society rather than have to go through learning so many complicated skills to help. If you’re curious in more activist tactics, the website beautifulrising can help.
@@ravenn2631 tbh, many people don't pay attention when the major problem is divided into smaller ones (personal experience). They only pay attention to the large problem and only because they don't want to deal with it.
You gave words to a feeling i havent been able to .thank youfor putting it ibto a way my mind can understand and rather then just this nagging feeling!
This just hit me too hard. I started off feeling the most similar to Bojack, only to end up being a Diane this past year. To me, that's growth. Bojack doesn't even try. To go from Bojack to Diane, is an improvement. But I'm still a Diane. I cannot go any further. I still have episodes and feel like everything is meaningless and boring. And I ask myself: "why? I have everything to be happy about now" and still, I am not. I've figured out my past, and myself, so why am I not happy? And it's true. I've got nothing else to solve. I've got no purpose but to enjoy life. And I lost a bit of myself through recovery, and now I don't know what to do. What do I do?
@@shyeline5007 In my case I tackled the physical part of it. I'm taking meds and it's helped me greatly. With my doctor we're also doing therapy, doing mindfulness exercises to and several other tools that are also helping me change the way my brain used to work and "not solve" problems. Hope it helps. Let me know, maybe we could share experiences on the way up. Being the "toughest problem solver" one is harmful. That's where I am so far. ⛅
Diane is actually a really likable character again. Diane and Guy are so cute.
They're so adorable together and it makes my heart smile!
@@TrivialMatters1296 She came off as hypocritical. A lot of the characters have flaws but most admit to it or are stuck in a loop thinking they can't change as individuals yet Diane always seemed like she didn't have such problems but then made them an issue for those around her (crashing at Bojack's for months being a slob while pretending to be on a helping the world mission lying to her husband). She's certainly gotten a lot better in Season 6 since she acknowledged her problems and actively sought help rather than push her problem's onto Guy.
@@TrivialMatters1296 They don't act morally superior and judge others.
She finally met her match. Dwayne the Buzzfeed guy was too cynical even for Diane. PB and Diane had nothing in common. Guy not only brings out the best in her, he intellectually gets her
@@TrivialMatters1296 Princess Carolyn always put others before herself even if it wasn't feasable or healthy for her to constantly do so. Mr Peanutbutter is also mostly just oblivious of those around him (ignorance is bliss, proper labrodoar behaviour) and not so much actively judgemental or malicious. Diane was fully aware of her issues and acted as if she still had the moral high ground over everyone else whilst not actually holding herself to the same standard she was looking down at everyone for.
I love how Diane's weight gain in the show is seen as something healthy and positive seeing as most people in the real world see weight gain as something bad or unhealthy. Speaking as someone who's dealt with weight problems due to mental illness I'm glad they brought that up.
The weight gain is not really a sign of being healthy nor positive. It's meant to represent that she has taken the antidepressants. It's the act, the will to do so and the mental results that are seen as positive. The weight gain is a side effect that, in this case, is not as important as Diane getting mentally better. Excessive weight gain, in most cases, is unhealthy but Diane was willing to be less healthy physically to be more healthy mentally.
@Mandy What's up with the dozens or so passive aggressive comments from you all over this comment section, my dude? No one gives a shit.
Plus the show obviously intended it as a visualisation for the changes and decisions of Diane, and not for bringing up the problems with obesity (until now at least).
Mandy give it up. Diane is not obese by a long shot. Furthermore health is determined by whether a person is satisfied with how they feel, look, and perform AND whether their health markers (as evidenced by medical lab work ups) are within normal limits. The shot we see of Diane reveals NONE of that information. So no one is fooled by your insistence that you’re concerned about anyone’s health. You clearly have some body image issues and projecting them on to a freaking CARTOON isn’t going to fix them.
I take happy pills since i was 14.
The side effects include weight gain, heavy sleeping, tireness and constant hunger.
But for me its worth it because it took my mind away from suicidal thoughts and self harming, yes, gaining weight is not healthy but with enough efford i managed to get back to my normal weight and i think its ok to make some sacrifices to keep our mental health in check.
@Mandy Fair enough, I guess. People are a bit too easily offended when it comes to the pretty obvious issue of obesity, I give you that.
Still, not the point of the video and show, also nothing someone on antidrepessants needs to have their nose rubbed in.
Guy's the right guy for Diane. He's good, cool, has interests on the same wavelength, and he won't smother her in affection or attention the way PB did. He's flawed and comes with his own problems and baggage to deal with, which she likes because it makes him grounded and real. Guy doesn't pressure Diane into pretending things are perfect by his existence alone nor guilt her by giving the kind of love she can't "pay back" in her mind. Guy doesn't try nor want to make Diane his whole world--he just wants her to be a part of it.
And she's cool with that.
Exactly, guy is incredibly adaptable and adjustable and has hope. The main things she needs alongside her to keep her happy and stable :D
I find it realistic and hard hitting that she gained weight from comfort eating and anti depressants. I don't think a lot of shows demonstrate that aspect of depression because its a real and common problem and I'm sure a lot of people don't feel as alone because of it or got something out of it. I love Bojack Horseman for projecting the realness of people and mental illness.
And the fact that they didn't make her weight gain a big thing or a joke, they just wrote it off as completely normal (which it is, obviously)
@@user-qm8gt8lf7l We love to see it
@@yeetingful6185 absolutely
@@user-qm8gt8lf7l thinking back on it, I think the show is really responsible when it comes to show body types and self care
Herb was a fat character that was perfectly healthy untill he had cancer and we could see his body getting skinny and sick
Bojack was told a lot of times that he was getting fatter because he didn't actually care about his health, just ate a lot and never exercized or searched for a nutricionist
And Diane was a thin character that got fat to show us little downsides of anti depressants, it changed her body but it made her a lot healthier
I like that putting these three side by side shows us how a body isn't healthy by its weight or appearance, it's by the self care
when did she comfort eat? ☠️
I really felt it when Diane was all like “I am terrible.
I am terrible. I am terrible. I am terrible. I am terrible.
I am terrible. I am terrible. I am terrible. I am terrible.
I am terrible. I am terrible. I am terrible. I am terrible.
I am terrible. I am terrible. I am terrible. I am terrible.
I am terrible. I am terrible. I am terrible. I am terrible.
I am terrible. I am terrible. I am terrible. I am terrible.
I am terrible. I am terrible. I am terrible. I am terrible.”
Weird Drag0n ok
Reminded me of The Shining wherry Jack kept writing I am crazy
I feel like she could honestly make that an entire page of her book, call it "poetry", and it would sell millions of copies.
It was just one more behavior that Diane criticizes Bojack for, yet does herself - constant self-pity to deflate anybody and everybody who dare critique them. She's a raging hypocrite and that, while perhaps realistic, makes her a horrible human being. That Bojack has to face up to his mistakes and live with them, yet that Diane gets to life in a safe bubble of comfortable lies is sickening.
@@DraculaCronqvist nope. Can't agree. That makes her HUMAN. How does that make her a terrible human being? She isn't hurting anybody but herself. She knows what she does, she just pushes the feelings aside to keep battling and struggling to make herself (and others) a better person; but sometimes, no matter how hard you try and struggle, you have meltdowns and cannot succeed. And when you realize that you're just as human and frail all over again, you feel hopeless, and worthless. Also: shout-out to her parents; they gave her the pressure of accomplishing something and not being useless, so she's got the internalized pressure to prove herself and accomplish somethinh great.
I really liked Diane and Guy's relationship, but i wish we could have seen more of single Diane. We've seen her in a relationship (or getting out of one) though out the whole series and one of her biggest issues was dealing with herself. It would have been nice to see her grow on her own and learn to stand on her own two feet. But having someone there to support you can help you when you're standing in your own way so it worked out
I think especially Diane is a person who needs to learn to accept help from others
She did kind of deal with that in season 5 though. But you're right, she still needs to learn how to rely on herself. I think the show suggested that at the end though- Diane told Bojack she still has bad days, we can see she's still smoking, and she said something along the lines of "I don't really trust myself, but I trust him". Diane by the end of the show has improved a lot, but she still has work to do.
Guy is just amazing, he's the kind of person one wants to meet AND be, and i'm glad Diane tried to get better rather than making that Guy's responsability.
It's also good to see aknowledgement of how it's normal for antidepresants to make you gain weight and how little that actually matters.
Guy is a pussy lol.
@@jeff2209 elaborate
Guy is so likeable
@@jeff2209 he looks more like a buffalo i think
Your picture makes your statement seem cruel and sarcastic.
Hey, when you take antidepressants, sometimes it causes you to gain weight.
or any other medication
Weed keeps you skinny, just drink coffee with it
utterly loved the role reversal of Bojack and Diane. First season is Bojack as the depressed mess and Diane as the voice of reason and guidance, but season 6 has been (so far) Bojack being a voice of reason to the people around him.
True, but he has a lot more atoning to do. The finale is going to be all the awful stuff he's done to women over the show falling on his head like a ton of bricks
Scott Stiefel what would be the point of that ending? We already know that Bojack is haunted by the bad things he's done. I could easily see that being the second act turning point for the next half season but not the ending
Just finished the show. That was an easy call.
Scott Stiefel indeed, I had it completely right. His career collapses around the middle of part 2 but we see him making moves to pick things up in a healthy way in the finale
I am utterly surprised to discover people don't like Diane!
Because they're smooth-brains who don't understand her character.
@@opo3628Yeah
That small thing when Diane was writing her “book” and the words “I AM TERRIBLE” were repeated on that monitor hit home so hard. I paused the show and took some breaths. Seeing her waiting for Guy and smiling a smile I never seen before from Diane made me so happy. And gave me hope.
This show is just incredible.
I also like the touch that her new jacket is the inverted version of her old one, reflecting her turning over a new leaf and heading towards a new path
Yeah. She was the opposite of everything she was before.
I see myself in Diane, and because of that this season was very therapeutic for me. Seeing Diane grow was something I needed. I’ve been in the mindset that I can’t get better so I wouldn’t go to therapy because I was so afraid it wasn’t going to work. But if I never tried I would never know if it would help me. After watching this season I signed up for a therapy appointment and initially felt that my therapist wasn’t listening to my needs or paying attention to the goals I was actually trying to get out of therapy. But instead of giving up like I had been doing for so long, I made an appointment with a different therapist. And after just one session with her I learned so much about myself and the coping skills I needed for everything I’m going through. And even though I’m not completely better yet, now I finally have hope that I will be.
Diane gaining weight as a result of getting better meant a lot to me. As someone who used to be depressed and punished myself by not eating, I gained a lot of weight when I got better too. It was really nice to see that it wasn’t just me. And that the weight actually symbolises a good change in life.
Mandy Hormonal imbalances because of medication use cause weight gain. She could be eating the same thing and gain the same weight.
She did not trade a bad thing for a bad thing, she is happy now. Her body is not your body and it should not matter to you. Your on a youtube comment section shaming a fictional character for getting help because it made her fat. I don’t understand how you feel good writing out these comments.
@Mandy SHE IS HEALTHY! JUST BC A PERSON IS FAT DOESN’T MEAN THAT SHE’
IS UNHEALTHY! DOESN’T METTER HOW YOU LOOK OUTSIDE IF YOU DON’T GO TO A REAL DOCTOR (NOT YOU) AND SEE HOW IS YOUR EXAMS, SO DON’t TALK OF WHAT YOU DON’T KNOW! THERE’S A PERSON WHO WAS EXPERIENCING WEIGHT PROBLEMS AND YOU ARE NOT HELPING AT ALL WITH HER SELF-ESTEEM SO PLEASE DO THE PUBLIC SERVICE OF SHUT UP
@Mandy I would suggest you confront and unlearn your weight bias. Because that is really unhealthy for you, and for people around you. It's really sad that you feel the need to comment under a persons comment about gaining weight due to getting better, because of your harmful assumptions. Educating yourself on Health at every Size (HAES) and which corporations benefit from your body hate is always a good start. You don't have to stay in this miserable mindset.
That's awesome! Congratulations on being better and listening to your body! Fixing fucked up eating habits and self punishment through food is super difficult. 💐✨
i get what you mean, i was borderline anorexic due to a toxic family life until around 19 when i moved in with my boyfriend. he gave me so much of the affection and love in my life that i had been lacking from my own family that it made me finally be happy. i got thicker while learning to handle my new mindset. i'm 25 now and now that i'm at a better place mentally my body has been getting smaller again but it will never be as bad as it was all those years ago
I like her as a character so much. She's so flawed and so not a role model, but she is somehow the voice of reason.
Diane is one of my most favorite characters in this series, and i think we can all agree that she doesn't get as much appreciation as she deserves, which sucks.
Exactly
I’m so excited for thicc Diane
Mandy fr
Diane may not be THICC, but Pickles is. That is THICC
@Mandy -- ROTFL what do you think "thicc" means, Mandy? You may not like it where it deposits itself, thas cool, but there are certainly other people that do. She's hot af wit dat fat.
Eternal Branches Even though I don’t like her, _I agree_
Why?
Something that I have learned over the years while living with clinical depression and that "nothingness" that seems to be under every rock is that happiness is not a thing you can find. Our culture is obsessed with the idea of "finding" happiness like an object, or like something you get if you do a set number of personal growth tasks like a golden achievement reward. In reality, happiness is more like practicing a martial art or bodybuilding. If you practice daily at happiness JUST for the sake of itself without conditions, you're going to find that just like a bodybuilder at rest is still strong, a happiness-builder will still be happy even when life's lowest and saddest points test them.
That was CuddlyWhiskers was trying to get at way back in Season 3, Episode 3: BoJack Kills, while they were all sitting around having tea. CW tried being a massive creative talent and felt empty when he got his Oscar. He tried selflessly helping others in need, and while he helped some, he learned exactly the same thing Diane is -- there are always going to be more problems, more people suffering, and you can't fix the world or other people.
That's when he figured out happiness was something he had to take responsibility for and set about putting the work into practicing the feeling of happiness with no qualifiers...and he finally became happy.
Diane: You can't just disappear. You really hurt a lot of people.
CW: Sometimes you need to take responsibility for your own happiness.
Diane: Don't you think that's a little selfish?
CW: I don't know what to tell you. I'm happy, for the first time in my life, and I'm not going to feel bad about it. It takes a long time to figure out how truly miserable you are, and even longer to see that it doesn't have to be that way. Only after you give up everything can you begin to find a way to be happy.
Notice the whole Buddhist ascetic CW had going in that scene...this is exactly what the Buddha tried to teach.
It's NOT easy. Every new student of any art or activity is going to fall on their asses over and over and see little reward at first. If you were an abused kid like Diane and BoJack, fighting off the voices in your head telling you how worthless you are and how pointless this is makes it even longer and harder because you can't get out of your own way.
But it IS doable, and it's like building a muscle. You have to keep practicing. And you're not going to feel much other than sore and uncomfortable at first, but bit by bit, you'll start seeing the change you're looking for and it's absolutely worth it to keep trying. Bojack and Diane both have a lot of shit to go through before they can set that proper framework to even entertain the thought that it's OK for them to pursue their own happiness and they are worth happiness even after all the pain, suffering, and shitty choices they've made...but they ARE getting somewhere.
And I see this show ending on that note.
I wish I could like this 1001 times. And if the show is really optimistic, maybe it can end that way. But it looks to me like all the awful stuff BoJack's done over the years is just going to fall on his head like a ton of bricks in the finale
@@scottstiefel2061 -- Thanks! I think you're right that is what's going to happen. I think our horse can pull though. He's gotta. I can't wait till January!
This is beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. Thankyou for these words.
@@widowkeeper4739 well, Diane absolutely got started on doing all of that. BoJack might be ready to do it when he gets out
@@scottstiefel2061 -- Yes! Cuddlywhiskers was right!
Ha, literally. Joking aside, I feel Diane improved a lot near the end of S6P1 and i’m happy she’s going down a path that looks as if she’ll be at her most happiest.
Mandy Fuck, that’d be dark. It would seem like a “Bojack-esque” end to the character but I hope they end the show with all the characters having an “optimistic” ending rather than a “generic happy” or “depressingly tragic” ending. Only time will tell.
@@superwildejellyfish I also hope there's an optimistic ending or at least one with some hope of the characters (especially Diane and Bojack) finding happiness instead of a depressingly tragic ending. I could even live with an ending that's mostly sad but with hope for the future (like the end of last season where Bojack is in a bad place but finally accepting the help he needs to recover).
I'm actually afraid to watch the end, so I"m going to wait till there's spoilers online and make my decision after I know what I'd be in for. I don't think you need to worry about the show having a "generically happy" ending, though. It's just not that kind of show.
@Mandy guy, you have issues. Are you that scared of fat people? She's not even that fat. You keep commenting on every single comment about her weight, joke or not. I don't agree with HAES but you seem to have some kind of phobia to be that upset about cartoon character gaining few pounds as a result from taking antidepressants.
I just found out a lot of people didn't like Diane... I never got that. Always liked her story of finding her place in the world. She screws stuff up like BoJack, but unlike him she still cares about others instead of dragging others down. Also she's not a Hollywood star so it's more relatable
But she’s a woman, making her relatively minor flaws somehow bigger than Bojack’s gapping flaws and misdeeds
@@hmrobert7016 - That's *exactly* it. BoJack himself is the most morally bankrupt character in the show and yet the smooth-brains who criticize Diane to hell and back absolutely worship him. 🙄
To everyone talking about her weight - she gained weight because of anti depressants. It's better to be ALIVE and fat (even if it's a little unhealthy), than depressed and constantly dissatisfied, and possibly die because of depression. Being chubby doesn't cause all of the physical illness people assume, and honestly in her case could save her life. You're not helping anyone when you say those things about weight, if anything you're killing people. They stop taking antidepressants, they stop eating, they start hating themselves. I really wouldn't call that healthy.
As long as someone doesn't have any blood or cardio problems, weight is basically appearance
Yeah, I got better and happier and since I did not had so much stress I gained weight, I was sad I got fat (30kilos) , but then I saw some old pictures where I was depressed and you could see the bones in my neck and it was hard to recognize myself. I feel pretty now; fat, pretty and happy :), I still exercise to take care of my heart ❤️
Nah I was s**cidal on weight gain medication and could not even look at my body in a mirror without feeling like my vision and thoughts were just spiraling and spinning out of control. Like I was literally trapped in my own body. Oh and I still can't properly regulate my own body temperature years later because of the damage the medication did to my thyroid! Yay for mental "health" right? I am so sick and tired of this "wouldn't you rather be fat and alive" spiel. I wasn't living when I was fat from the medication and I am not the only person struggling with mental illness who feels this way, not by the long shot.
@@gingeralice3858 I’m sorry to hear that but it sounds like your experience, some other people are happier with theirs though.
Guyane is the best animated couple they're so real. It reminds me of my relationship my bf struggles with depression and I only ever try to support him and show there is a light at the end of the tunnel, sometimes it's just longer than you expect
I love how they showed Diane did gain weight after taking her medication and it wasn’t made fun of or mocked. She’s on a road to recovery and becoming healthy
And even though people were respectful, she still struggles finding clothes
I love little details in this show that make everything so realistic
“You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink”...holy shit...the amount of thought and detail that’s in this show is ridiculous...there’s no way that’s just a coincidence
Yay
Every conversation with Diane and Bojack made me so happy in this first half of season 6.
Loved that "because she got fa.." made me laugh out loud
"Totally not disney company" XD
Thicc Diane is really cute. Don't @ me.
@ :) (but I agree she looks really happy and cute!)
I'm @ing you in AGREEMENT
her hair just needs to grow out more its sexier looking with her new thicc
@meme ninja405 Fuck you.
@meme ninja405 nothing wrong with being a lil fat tho 🤷♀️ shes happier
other thing to mention, diane really need to make more optimistic news because if she only tells on how horrible everything is and how greedy politicians and CEOs control ours lives, the public's morale will be lower and noone will care about improving the world as they will feel everything is horrible no matter what they do, people need to be awake but not mentally broken
glad she didn't waited to defeat those evil politicians and CEOs to be happy
If it's a choice between lulling people into a false sense of security and optimism, and breaking people by showing them the machinations that run the oligarchic society we live in, I think I'd take the latter.
@@BellePepprs i meant of telling them happy truth to inspire them, not happy lies to fool them
noone like to only hear bad news either are true or false
@@ravenn2631 i know that site, i meant diane should cover good news to raise her morale and her audience
eric tatemura I know, just thought I’d share some of the sites since so many people here relate to Diane. :)
I don’t trust activists as they often work for organizations that also turn into oligarchies themselves, Diane should never go into the “you either die as a hero, or live long enough to become the villain” trope. All causes no matter how good the goals are turn into a mafia state at the end, Revolutions are proven bloody and the activists turned as greedy as the CEOs they fought
I relate to Diane so much, and this character growth shook me, because it was a stark reminder that if you're a perfectionist trying to get better without losing control - you can't. Sometimes in order to progress you have to give up control, and it's frankly and honestly terrifying. Growing sucks, but the end is always worth it.
But what if you can't grow? What if your just broken on a biological level and nobody loves you for who you are and so you put on a Happy face and try to grind your teeth through it all.
Nobody respects you, everyone is using you or manipulating you or you don't feel safe in your own skin?
Im struggling with my depression and mild autism, I don't feel like I understand or can understand people and they can't understand me, I don't belong anywhere, I don't feel like im a human being because people all my life have treated me first as an autistic person and never as a real human being who has needs and dreams and wishes for love and affection and im told "it's your fault, you need to take responsability, you need to change"
But I don't know how I can't stop being me because me is all I am which like diane sayd, is nothing and underneath is just more nothing.
I take my medication but it makes me slow, emotionless and lowers my libido and sense of self, I want to be beter, I want to feel alive, I don't want to keep losing people I care about or love because of who and what I am.
Often times it feels like im the most alive when I imagine dying, just not existing anymore sounds like heaven to me.
I don't expect you to change or help me, I just wanted someone to know I exist.
@@golagiswatchingyou2966 I am autistic and struggle with major depression and anxiety and a whole other wheelbarrow of mental crap on top. I can't say I know how you feel, but I do know how isolating being autistic is in a world that mocks our tendency to not get certain jokes, read various social cues, maintain eye contact, handle stressful situations, etc. I struggle to not beat myself up for having different limitations than other people everyday (Some days I win, some days I don't - the days I lose are pretty black). I see you, and want you to know that I care, and that I'm rooting for you. If you need to talk, my messages are always open. ❤
@@puck2470 thank you, at first I wanted to delete my other comment because I often want to deny what I am, i taught myself how to adapt to "normal society" and have had lots of diffrent jobs but I never seem to be able to hold on to any job, always the same reasons "your work speed is too slow, people don't like you" I often get angry pretty fast under stress.
I hope your doing beter than I am right now, it is very isolating indeed but what hurts the most is when I fall in love with someone and they don't/can't love me back, the pain is just too much sometimes, it often feels like they abandon me because of my autism and not because of my personality or looks.
It often feels like im just not mean't to be happy or have any kind of loving relationship.
But it does kinda make me feel a little beter that i'm not allone, that it's not just me, I worry for the future, the past still haunts me but when I look back I have grown a bit, not as much as I wished and I wished other people would stop dehumanizing us all the time.
But perhaps if your just like me, perhaps someone els is too and perhaps that person might understand me and then we might fall in love and be broken together.
Thank you friend for giving me some hope in this cold, dark, cruel world.
I wish you the best of luck and a happy life, I wish I could do more, not be a burden to others but help others, like you did today, someday perhaps.
Thank you friend, it means a lot to me.
@@golagiswatchingyou2966 The world is indeed cruel and dark, but we are not alone, friend.
I relate to Diane so much I see myself in her I don’t get why she’s so hated in the fandom
She is best
batscapex I think it’s because in spite of everything, the other main characters (except for Todd) are anthropomorphized animals, but Diane being an actual human makes us see ourselves in her a bit more? TBH I think it says more about the fandom than about the writers.
I honestly really love her too. Even if she is a little bit preachy she’s a very sweet and smart character
I agree. Diane isn’t perfect and she’s made some mistakes. But the other primary characters get far more passes for doing way more damage than she ever has (well, except for Todd, that is). I think she’s been getting the Skylar White treatment; five seasons of characters creating chaos, death, and all kinds of wanton destruction, but Skylar was the “real” villain for being such a “nag,” and somehow everything was her fault.
starkman78 Because some flaws tend to be more romanticized than others. Being into drugs, seeking material fame and status too much or being extremely rude are much more “badass” and “manly” flaws than flaws that have emphasis on being something “boring” like social responsibility getting too preachy or naggy.
I see so much of myself in diane,
i never got the chicago bull reference lol good one bojack writers
I think it's important that Diane and Bojack go through the most physical changes out of the main cast. I think it symbolizes a form of growth or acceptance, starting with Diane's hair cut in season 5 during her divorce.
Does this mean your gonna talk about Mr Peanutbutter's new change in life of this season too?
Diane? Unlikable? This is the first time I hear that opinion. Never seemed that way to me.
This is one of my favorite things about Bojack Horseman (the series), even a character like Diane (who I wasn't alone in growing tired of) has this beautiful payoff. Now the relationship with Mr Peanutbutter wasn't just a meandering journey where Diane was the one who seemed the most in the wrong, Diane was depressed something Mr Peanutbutter wouldn't want to accept (the situation with his brother) or he would be supportive to an annoying degree. Look at his PSA for depression, it was mostly fear mongering and nonsense. The writing possibilities for that would have made for great storytelling of course, but I'm actually happy that Diane has a chance to get better.
Mr. Snow I don’t understand why her being “diagnosed” with depression makes any difference here. It’s a doctor saying her behavior fits into a category, and providing treatment. We all could see her behavior and mental state before she was diagnosed, we could see she wasn’t doing well. If you see someone in pain, does it make a difference if a doctor validates it? There was no new information produced. Why would that label suddenly make her sympathetic again (assuming she stopped being sympathetic at some point)?
@@hmrobert7016 Well Diane was depressed to the point that she needed to be medicated. There's really no way other than with a doctor's assessment or the admission of the depressed person, for an outsider (the viewer) to understand whether or not they are depressed. In Diane's case it makes her break up with the overly optimistic Mr Peanut Butter that much more understandable since he never likely would've gotten her the help that she needed. Which doesn't make him the worse person ever, it just means that for that particular relationship they weren't the best for each other.
As for Diane's actions, and maybe this is a stretch, but she seemed to be unable to allow her self to find happiness. She was constantly putting her self and her reputation on the line, usually for a good cause, but never for her own personal happiness. She was distraught and that sometimes seemed to manifest that into her lashing out on the seemingly innocent Mr Peanutbutter, which was simply unfair. I think that the diagnosis just brings a kind of understandability to the relationship, now we know why she did what she did, the understanding doesn't make it right but it makes it understandable.
At least that's my way of looking at it.
@@MrSnow-vl7vt - Mr. Peanutbutter was *entirely* in the wrong. He's an idiot man-child who will never grow up. Diane wasted too much of her life with his dumb ass.
Stefani's analysis of Diane's problems is totally spot on, and I can definitely relate to Diane with her self-doubt and the fact she absolutely does hold everyone including herself to very high and hard to meet standards. When you're going through that depressed mindset, everything you do feels like extra effort and people around you might confuse you for lazy, and if you're a very anxious person like me, you might internalize that. I think Diane really internalized that feeling and bathed in self-loathing, which is why she ended up in those low places. It's good to see her doing better and starting to take chances and accept herself towards the end. It's a long, hard journey, but it's inspirational to see whenever someone gets to that better place and that more content mental state after years of struggling and suffering.
I think part of Diane's problem is that she was trying to feel good about herself by doing good in the world. She doesn't have much self-esteem because of her up-bringing, so... The problem is that she knows that that's what she's trying to do, which makes her feel like she's doing it for the wrong reasons. And yeah, she can be too hard on people; sometimes she does it in the wrong spirit, and she can be hypocritical. I think one of the reasons she could be so spiteful to Bojack was that he reminded her of herself, so she took his failures personally. I think that's very relatable. I also think that one reason a lot of people don't like her character is that they think she's framed as having the moral high-ground on the show, not understanding that she's written as a very flawed person. Not that that's the case here, but... Anyway, I do think she has a negative outlook on the world, but I don't think that's entirely unfounded. The flaws she found in the "positive" stories really are huge flaws that shouldn't be ignored. Guy is right, too, to enjoy what he enjoys despite those kinds of things -- appreciating the little things won't make things worse. I do have reservations about his character, though. Like when Diane had to go out the window for him? Not that I didn't understand his concerns, but that wasn't cool. It seems strange to me that that was never addressed, so I have a feeling it may come up again.
With Diane, I’m reminded of a song in Alice in Wonderland. ”I give myself very good advice, But I very seldom follow it.”
Diane didn't get fat.
Diane got *THICC.*
@BB Hoody shut the fuck up.
madcat789 no sis, pickles is Thicc Diane is literally overweight. She got depressed and eats non-stop to “feel better”
@Lonely Pluto sure they do theyre the first ones to get swept up out of highschool amd college
Fat isn't a bad word it's a descriptive adjective
@@cinnabunny4640 Good point.
Diane’s growth. Literally
Bojack: depression from lack of self worth due to childhood emotional abuse.
Diane: depression from the inherent contradictions in society, individuals and existence.
I think Diane is a very good representation of moderate depression that often goes unnoticed because people don’t know what they’re looking at. They just see an asshole or someone who appears to be fine but is really just functioning not thriving. We only ever hear about what major depression looks like; they don’t talk about what mild and moderate depression looks like. Diane is showing us what that looks like and how self-fulfilling self-destructive it can be. And also telling us that anti depressants are a good thing and you should take them because they will make you a better, happier person. Bless anti-depressants for existing. I’ve been in Diane’s shoes and let me tell you it massively sucks. And speaking from that experience Diane has had depression the entire series. She just didn’t realize it because depression has a way of convincing you that nothing is wrong (that this is just the way you are and how it’s supposed to be and that you deserve it) when something is very very wrong. That why she and Bojack got along so well.
1:46 - "CROOSHial" xD
I love your analysis, I could honestly listen to you talk about bojack all day
Dude she didn't get fat, she got THICC. Very important difference.
@BB Hoody Oh no! What shall we do now that thicc is being used to describe fat people?
@BB Hoody You've replied to like three different people about this, it's kinda weird that it bothers you this much.
Hehehe no.
Damn I really don’t want to resort to antidepressants, I keep thinking I can do without them .
They changed my life once I found the right ones.
@@lordfreerealestate8302 I had Diferent ones in the past but the side effects made me quit .Ohnessly sometimes it feels hopeless
They can be helpful, however before you do, try enhanced Omega 3s with epa and dha not regular Omega 3s it has helped me greatly even my brain fog is not as frequent. You can even try them if you do get on a prescription but I always try to let people know. I didn't even know it would help me in that way as I was initially taking them for my heart cuz I figured they were just for that, the mental change was not expected.
@@thenudistartist6691 I'm.always looking for things to make me feel better .I never heard of this EPA stuff.Becouse I do take regular omega 3 (But not consistently)
Antidepressants take some time to figure out, some are just the wrong ones for you, some have side effects that never go away, some have side effects in the beginning but they do eventually go away, some have side effects that can be altered with other medications. When I first started my medication made me so tired all of the time, all I wanted to do was sleep 24:7, and I had to stay like that for several weeks to see if that would change but it didn't so I talked to my doctor and she gave me something else to take with them to try to combat that without me losing the positive effects and at first there was no change but again after some time passed the groggy tiredness went away. It can be a frustrating process but I personal think if you've tried several non medication methods that haven't helped because your depression and or anxiety is just too intense that antidepressants are worth trying to find the right mix because it really does make it easier to do what you need to do to actually address your past trauma.
Meanwhile I'm fat AND depressed. But also started to take meds, so, maybe one of those is gonna change.
Love how you brought it full circle! Love this video and thanks 🙏🏽
Diane is my favorite character
Excellent video, I'm looking forward to bingeing your catalog.
Slayy
She’s always been my favorite character and still is.
“Sure, but you flip over this pizza box and look! A couch!”
One of your best videos, as usual love your insight but the humour really got me in this one
Great write up man, thanks for the detailed dive into this!
Great video! While watching the show I struggled to understand Diane's character. With your video it's clear to me now how great of a character she is, and I feel closer to her. Keep it up!
i don't know why but Bojack saying "well if you flip over this pizza box, look, a couch." really gets me.
I absolutely love Diane. Bless you for this beautiful breakdown.
You were totally right about Diane's new mentality being challenged in the final episodes. And I think the show did a great job showing how difficult that really is. I loved Diane as a character and was so proud of her in the end.
I got so emotional seeing Diane at the airport, genuinely smiling and clear that she is taking her antidepressants 💗
Maybe Guy is the right boyfriend for Diane.
He ISSSS lmao
Thanks for the video! I never would have made all those connections you did in the video
She grew in more ways than one
I never really hated Diane. I really related to her and BoJack a lot because of their mental health struggles. Her struggle with high standards of herself and not meeting them. It’s hard to feel like everything is good and happy when you never feel like you’ve fully met your standards. I feel the last episodes made it perfect for her because the growth of her character was shown.
Remember when it seemed like Diane was going to be cool but then spirals downward for the entire series?
0:58 I think I figured out where the “shade” in shady doorags comes from
I’m honestly so sad that this show is ending. I love that I can relate to so many of the characters and I just want for them to be happy. I wonder how it will end.
Just want to say that I really like this channel. Keep up the good work!
You're not the boss of me!
I've been depressed several times, and the portrayal of what it's like to be that way in "Good Damage" is perfect. I draw and write as a hobby, and when I was depressed I had the same reaction to my own work that DIane did.
I relate to diane so so so much and I'm so glad tv was actually able to portray a character I truly can relate too. I myself am way too critical. So seeing Diane's character growth laid out like this helps me work on myself and my negative tendencies and lack of self love. Its refreshing to see mental health like this displayed in such a true way. It's hard to watch sometimes, but that's because it hits that hard. And that's what made bojack horseman great.
I need to watch the show all the way through. The things that they say and do here is speaking to me so much.
I watched it back in the summer(I completely forgot about this comment lol) and I absolutely loved it!
This show helped me realize why I'm struggling.
Something I personally take comfort in is the fact that she put on weight and it was never seen as a negative or a step back on her part. Her getting her life together has nothing to do with her weight. Recently, I've put on a bit of weight myself. I'd beat myself up about it thinking I'm falling back into my old depressed self. But watching this helps me understand that weight isn't everything. And sometimes the mental growth has nothing to do with our weight. Sometimes our weight has nothing to do with our mental growth or how well we're doing. And in a world obsessed with being thin, it's a comforting message.
I have always related to Diane on some level and I love how you can explain what I'm relating too
I had no idea people disliked Diane, i feel like she is one of the most relatable characters by far
"I believe to be anti-depressed" is the best line ever and i will fight you on this
I’m so grateful for the portrayal of weight gain with anti-depressant use. It’s such a common side effect and I feel like this is part of normalizing it.
Love your vids so much
I’ve liked Diane through and through. She’s like the show’s symbol for the pains of trying. Everyone else in Hollywoo is so caught up in their own world that whenever Diane’s issues slam the brakes on her M.O I always felt so devastated
I was never a fan of Diane until she started to grow. I was so happy for her and Guy. Those episodes were some of my favorites and it gave me hope that things can also get better for me. I realized I related to Diane a lot more than I thought. I was actually very satisfied when she ended her friendship with Bojack....he held so much power over her and it broke my heart when she heard his message saying “I’m going swimming”. That must have been so upsetting and so scary for Diane. I also love the positivity revolving around her weight gain and that everyone accepted it
Great videos man!
Diane has always been the character I relate with I’m so happy to have her grow gives me hope for myself
God, I love this channel.
Awesome breakdown!!
🐻: Fat Diane
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🐻: Chicago-style Diane
Love your videosss go on with them♡
Can I just say I love all the tiny and accurate details about Chicago, like how the trains look and sound and are even named.
The thumbnail kind of makes it look like "Diane's Growth, and also How She Became a Better Person." Haha.
These videos are so good 😊 keep it up 👍
"Totally not Disney" LOL
can’t trust people that don’t like her she’s the best character
Literal growth.