How To Make More Power with an NA Engine (HUGE INCREASE!)
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2020
- No turbo? No worries. In this video we find out how to make cheap power with a naturally aspirated engine. After testing on the dyno, we were genuinely shocked with the results.
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Mighty Car Mods I just want to know if you would get a Lamborghini urus can you please create a review on the 2020 model please boys
DIGTALVIC ummmm it’s Saturday
@@xt7144 Ah, bro, I am in California! In any case, happy Saturday to you!
“The 86 and brz respond well to a complete engine swap” - probably turbo yoda.
"Add a barra" - Turbo Yoda
I know this is a joke.. so I'ma be captain woosh for a second.
But as far as I'm aware the FA20 respond super well to a turbo. Infact there is the FA20F making 300BHP in the JDM market Subarus
OwenWalker there’s a lot of Brz with 300-400whp on stock monitor built engine I’ve seen a good amount of 500+ highest I’ve seen is 750ish whp but at that point traction becomes the problem and the clutch if you don’t upgrade it
There was one with two Hayabusa engines. It sounded glorious.
turbo yoda made turbo swap parts for the 86s though.
12:14 "Catch Marty's STI" knew they are 'more' than friends.
well, they HAVE known each other for a LONG time.... and they DO speak in innuendo a lot....
@@ghomerhust In your end oh 😜
I wonder how many people know moog is marriage
oh cheryl.
was looking for this comment - and the raciness extends beyond the track.
Might Car Mods: we are keeping the Brz N/A
TurboYoda: *feel a disturbance in the dose*
A.. dose-turbance.
"We're gonna learn how to milk the cow of a naturally aspirated purity..."
Done.
Saadi J. Khan I scrolled down to this comment and read it just as he said it...lol
What a fuckin line lol
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
86/brz owners: finally MCM can showcase how good our cars are
MCM: constantly take the subtle piss out of it 😂😂
I got to drive one with an exhaust on it for a while. Fun in the corners, the tiny tyres do let you have some fun without pushing to crazy speeds and it feels pretty satisfying to drive but wow are they underpowered. And not in an old, light car without any power but you can still chuck it around kind of way, more of a push the pedal flat and say "oh.. is that all?" kind of way. There's a good reason turbocharging these things is so common! Literally an extra 60-100KW makes a crazy difference (obviously, that's a 60-100% increase) and it just feels like a much more complete package.
Needless to say, I had a little fun but was happy to jump back into my 300ZX
Nah, I knew this was coming. I'm genuinely surprised they 1) actually bought one at all and 2) have ANYTHING positive to say about it. They're not the people 86s were made for.
But, muh 86!
I’m joking, I drive a Nissan
They’re the mx5s of the future, underpowered but cheap, cheap and fun
The first car I've owned that mcm have got too. 🤣 love it haha
UA-cam getting real comfy with these double 15 second ads... they’re lucky I love you MCM
Or go premium shit is life changing .........if you are a student or have an .edu email to use it.. it is only 6.99 a month
@@MrQreed what a shit deal lmfao
Enhancer for UA-cam extension for Firefox will get rid of the ads..
They are the ones who put them on their videos
**laughs in premium**
I have to admit, I like my current turbo car. But I still _love_ my old n/a engines, with big cams, instant throttle response and peaky power curves that have nothing below 3000. They may be a little harder to drive - especially on the street - but they are very rewarding if you're just looking for a blast through the twisties.
Ive owned N/A all my life and now just got a turbo. I love both. But nothing beats that BOV sound when you go to release the throttle
A turbo-charged engine is better for your daily while a NA is more fun for a small sporty car.
@@MasterAppels Is definetly not better than na for a daily
Old American N/A V8s are really the best feeling
reliability wise?
I appreciate MCM devotion to squeezing every ounce of legitimate and reasonable performance out of every project. Always fun to watch and very educational
Wait. So UA-cam commenters were... correct?
I think I need to go lie down.
😂😂😂
the torque dip from factory is due to where they test for emmissions
@@timmay556 oh, so they're pulling a vw? XD XD XD
@@SoulTouchMusic93 nah, these do it always, not just during testing, its funny tho when I was in public school we were almost always taught to the test...
No, just the people who own these cars.
On today's episode of Mighty Car Mods we are "learning how to milk the cow of naturally aspirated purity"
I just scrolled to the comments as they were saying that and it was perfect timing
Me after watching the video for two minutes:
I understand this comment now.
1:50 milking the prostate?
He did, he did made the comment.
"Put that in a comment"
"Let's learn how to make power on cars that are slow. That no one likes except for journalists and the people who own them, including me and I'm not a journalist." By process of elimination I've come to the conclusion that Moog owns a journalist.
😂😂😂
I love you guys, youve been at this for such a long time and I've always loved watching. You take these projects on in a laid back manner and have such a great time It makes car projects seem less scary to novice car lovers. Thanks for all you do.
"to catch Marty's STI..." now there's a double entendre to end all entendres! 😱🙊😜😂
Seriously just stop
This is the comment I was looking for.
I just paused the video to make sure there was a comment about this
@@nommchompsky THIS!
@@nommchompsky Same lmao
Loving the All Aussie Adventure handshake cuts! It's like you've said in the past, just because it's been done before isn't a reason to not do it again. It's funny every single time, all while giving a nod to an Aussie classic 👌😀
I was wracking my brain to remember where I had seen that! Thanks
@@gordonneilsen6039 all Aussie adventures.. time to hit the roooad
Colin furze does it occasionally on his Channel too 😂 love it
Gotta keep those hands clean in this day and age :)
Moog is funny. Stands 2 feet away from the man the entire episode without mask, elbow bumps him to say goodbye 😂😂😂
How to make more power with an NA Engine:
Look at turbo kit prices
Double that
Look at turbo kit horsepower
Half that
Voila
That was nice of you dude.. You could have been realistic. Instead you decided to be nice and pretend you can make half the power keeping a motor N/A, that you can by strapping on a turbo. And for only double the cost? Man.. Your optimism is infectious.
Realistically you can probably make the amount of power keeping a car N/A, only after multiple thousands of dollars.. That you could make strapping a 300 dollar ebay turbo on. Plus the turbo manifold and some piping and such, as well as a tune, running a conservative low amount of boost. Maybe five psi or so depending on the car and the turbo lol. It just really doesn't make sense on some cars...
I will say though that some cars can benefit quite a lot more than one might think from your basic bolt-ons. I had a 5 cylinder Volkswagen MKV Rabbit.. The exhaust consisted of two resonators, a big ass muffler, and then a suit case muffler... Chopped that shit directly off, went up to 2.5 inches, added a magnaflow and called it a day.. Then the air intake, the one and only time I've ever looked at a car and knew that an air intake was going to wake a motor up instead of doing absolutely nothing.. Not even kidding. The thing came up about a foot long tube, did a 90 degree bend.. Went another 3/4 foot over the top of the hot engine, another 90, another 3/4 foot still on top of the hot engine, another 90, ANOTHER 3/4 foot on top of the hot engine... Out another maybe 1/2 foot tube into the throttle body. It literally did the most pointless, long, twisting loop... Right over the top of the hot engine inside of the engine cover before making its way to the intake manifold. It was the DUMBEST design I've ever seen in my life. A 300 dollar carbonio cold air intake (my only option) later... This thing was a bigger pipe diameter, the probably 4 inch cone filter was in the absolute perfect spot right inside an isolated pocket behind the bumper where air came in, and traveled about 1/4 of the distance to get to the intake mani.
I never got a chance to get a tune before I wrecked it but... Trust me when I say this, I've had many cars and the first thing I've done on every single one of them was exhaust and intake because I enjoy the sound... I'm not someone that ever thinks my car got faster after just doing the exhaust and a cone filter. Had never happened to me before, hasn't happened since... I swear getting rid of those insane restrictions added 20-30 wheel to that Volkswagen though... On top of that 5 cylinder being one of the best sounding motors I've ever heard. Now, it was only rated at 150 to the crank you gotta remember. I don't think it's impossible that eliminating such restrictions probably brought that 2.5L 5 cyl to ~150 wheel.. Do you? Sorry this was so long.. I wanted to share with the class.
Daniel Nelson a good turbo build for a 2ZZ-GE costs maybe about $7k and can get 400+hp, maybe 500 but not reliably. For a $13k NA build my goal is 240 crank. ITBs, Really big meaty cams and supporting valvetrain bits for 9k rpm, 12.5:1 compression, flex fuel, lightened crank, haltech nexus r5 ecu. A gnarly engine like this can still be tolerable to drive since you have two different lobes for low and high rpm operation. I could probably make much more power with a Honda motor, for the same price, but because I’m stupid, I want to stay toyota.
@@danielnelson4881 brainlet
@@danielnelson4881 r/whoosh
@@Tzalmavet What exactly went over my head? If you read again, I 100% agreed with the guy I responded to... So... Here let me do you now!
r/wooosh!
Isn't this fun!
MCM: *makes jokes about Honda owners*
Me, a Honda owner: *sobbing uncontrollably*
I'm kind of surprised they've never attempted a turbo honda build
Don't worry bro, you'll still waste 'em on the track.
@@takentium7348 I've seen videos of some n/a J swaps. Insane. Lots of work. I'd be fine with a B18. I have a Honda Pilot for my people carrier. J35. Sure love the sound.
Aww don't be sad, Honda owners can make jokes about Subaru's engine durability. ;-)
I have multiple chopped stickers on my b20 DC4 and daily CE1, soon to have some on my turbo DA9. To be honest, they can rag on them if they want, or not build one (besides the mini) if it seems forced. For me mcm is more about sharing and experiencing car culture and being motivated to make something your own than them actually building cars that I have. Its always enjoyable even when they make things as unlikable as a fwd Lancer.
I'm sure Turbo Yoda is giving Moog the stare into his soul with that intro! 😂😂
I wonder if it will fit his Honda
Use y'er brain, Use y'er brain, Use y'er brain... Al in a cross legged yoga (Yoda) position, sending Karma waves to Moog.
This engine can not take more than about 250hp at the crank. If you want more, you need to at least change the connecting rods...
You guys are amazing keep uploading ive been watching you for years!!
Time for supercharger episode so they don’t break the “no turbo” slogan. Plus it won’t waste the time and effort of headers.
Today on Mighty Car Mods. Tuning Fork says " Who's dyno??"
Mighty Car Mods on a dyno without Tuning Fork seems sacrilegious
They cheated on our boy Tuning Fork 😭
12:13 "I'm gonna need that to catch Marty's STI" 😂😂
As always great video. Each week I'm waiting for it. THANKS!
Awesome episode man. I love my BRZ. Can't wait to see yours on the track now.
“We’re gonna learn how to milk the cow of naturally aspirated purity”
Beat me to it 😂
This needs to be in a MCM shirt
I was having a really bad day until this was uploaded. Once again lads, it doesn't seem so bad :) Love your videos and the work you do. Big hello and thank you from Ireland.
Well I hope your day gets better
Hope you're all good my dude, tomorrow is a new day! I also love the MCM videos, could watch them everyday!
As we say in Canada. Keep your chin up, and your stick on the ice! 🇨🇦
Hope your day your has gotten better, remember there’s always another day!!
I just purchased a 2015 Scion FR-S and these videos got me inspired
Frankly amazed at how much power you’ve unlocked with a pair of basic mods. Impressive for an NA.
I wana see em buy a car sight unseen in Canada and watch them struggle with rust.
Nah, I'd rather watch them doing something interesting thanks.
I’d settle for Iowa.
Or upstate NY
I'd rather see them ship in a Caterham from England, build it then turbocharge it with the help of mechanical stig and turbo yoda.
You all are going to have to face the fact that Australia gets better cars
How to make power with a naturally aspirated engine: add forced induction! 👍
Start with a better engine that can rev to the moon. Make it rev even more. Compression, very carefully wave tuned intake and exhaust rather than off the shelf.
@@VeritasEtAequitas Ditch the 4-banger and go to a V8. Then tune it out.
Always got Google open when you guys talk about kilowatts to convert it to HP for my sake. Love the vids guys. Been a fowler for years now. 👊
This one is missing from the BRZ FT86 FRS playlist. What a relief! Thought the dyno video got skipped or something.
Amazing! Marty has his own Benny installed in his shed! That must have cost him a fortune.
2 posts are not as expensive as you'd think. The main issue usualy is the floor but as you can see marty's shed is on a nice soilid slab of concrete (which probably cost more then the shed + hoist)
@@b.w.9392 Oh, I was referring to the person named Benny.... Because Benny was in the part talking about the exhaust leak.
I love (old) turbo cars with proper lag but nothing beats the power delivery of a nice NA engine. Especially when you're on a track.
Tyler's a legend at PVS parramatta, he made almost 300rwkw on my 86, been perfect for a over a year of hard driving (e85)
Always makes me laugh when Moog just stands there nodding his head when an expert talks 😂
Its taken me 8 years to realise that Moog refers to Marty as “Martin” and gives the same vibes as when Vegeta calls Goku, “Kakarot”
Dude I’ll never be able to get that outta my head meow...
Every time I hear Martin, my ADD brain will hear Kakarot...
Hahahaha sooo true
@@ElkinsEric 100%!!!
I absolutely love it, always have. "Maht'n"
Hahahah Eric that’s brilliant mate haha
The traction light just means you're driving it properly ;)
Haven’t even started show yet fellas, and surely looking forward to it!
I can't believe that it has been almost 10 YEARS since I sub to this channel and ya'll are amazing. Next car you should do mods to is a Scion tc 2013.
14:58 ah finally they're gonna grab a lunch that's not kebabs
15:01 of course not
Even after fixing the exhaust leak, it just sounded awful on the dyno.
But it made good power according to the dude tuning it, that counts.
30hp gain with just an exhaust and tune for na is really good.
@@az_3kgt714 It's 30kw not hp. so roughly 40hp gain.
Well, it's BRZ what did you expect?
30hp for that $1500+ is not value for money. Enhance injectors, turbo remap and boost control can do 100hp for $600. NA is great if you want to spend a lot of money going slow.
hi MCM, keep up the good work, spent many late nights catching up on previous projects when i first found your channel. blown away by horsepower gains on the br86z :) please keep the purity, wanna c just how far this can go without the, woosh choo choo noises (sorry YODA)?
That EZ30 conversion is gonna be awesome. Cant wait!
That handshake needs some tuning XD
😂😂
I did basically the same to my old one, was a pretty quick car and revved to nearly 8k, underrated for sure.
That’s some pretty nice gains. For NA power, you gonna feel it.
A guy I’m friends with on Facebook from a car group swapped his FRS. But he swapped it in a way that nobody else has so far. He used the 2AZ motor from a Scion TC and then turbo’d it. Pretty cool build. He has a page on Facebook called SRTuned if you wanna check it out and see the car. I don’t wanna post his real name here, but you could always message him and he could lead you to more build photos and so on. Last I saw he was putting down over 300hp. Not sure where he’s at now.
"bulk cow power" the ol' donut reference.
".. were gonna spraying milk all over your face.." just slipped that right in there diddnya lmfao
Great video guys. Cheers
Love you guys... Love MCM 💕
Supercharge it! You've done turbo conversations/upgrades to death and going back to the supercharger option to see what's available in today's market I feel would be way more interesting.
These cars are more suited to be supercharged, only really needs 50hp more for stupid fun.
Ohhhhh, compound charging or even twin turbo.... One for each side of the boxer engine.
I’ve been waiting for this. I don’t want to go turbo on my BRZ. It’s fun to drive N/A but it can use more power.
E85 is the way. Runs really well now :)
Did you just say slap on the turbo? ;)
Nineteen96 yeah except like one in every 15 service stations have e85 😭
I have to say I've been watching your channel for at least 5 years now and I have since found a lady friend that doesn't mind watching with me. As it's become the only real show I watch religiously now.. my girlfriend bought me some t-shirts and a hoodie for my 30th birthday. It's sort of surreal to have merch from your show. I'm pretty pumped to have something to rep and at the same time she's a keeper. Crazy after 5 years of watching to have some of your merch in my closet. Love the show keep it up. Ryan. Canadian.
MCM vids are my favorite, MCM dyno vids are my favorite favorite lol
Chopped by a honda fit at 2:11
That's a Jazz down here ;)
Or he’s just cruising while talking and the Honda Fit is accelerating.
"We're going to learn how to milk the cow of naturally aspirated purity" 😂✌
Sick video 💪🏾
Your intro got me, tell me everything I need to know
@3:09 Cundalini wants his hand back!
Not having to worry about heat and (more difficult) tuning is sometimes worth going NA. You also don't have to worry about stress on your engine or diff. I plan on going NA in my ND miata for hopefully an extra 30-40hp which is fine for me.
There's also increased maintenace, which is a main reason I don't go for a turbo setup (but am considering to put on a supercharger instead).
Also very calming for your mind. Gets scary sometimes tuning boosted cars especially if it’s your daily driver.
VW passat r36 is a fantastic NA car! Had one and always made me smile when i drove it.
I thought I wanted an 86/BRZ before this video, now I definitely want one.
Exhaust sounded horrible on Dyno - like a jack hammer??
Might have something to do with the equipment they put in the driver's side tailpipe (no idea what it is but if I had to guess I'd say it measures co2/nox emissions). You can see it at around 9:00
@@m1llie_ It has nothing to do with the sensor attatched to the tailpipe. It has everything to do with the crap quality exhaust. Needs a resonator or a better overall exhaust design for it to sound nice. Currently it sounds like a straight pipe on a slow revving engine.
8:50 When you're trying to stand still but don't know what to do with your arms!
Hahaha
When Joe Rogan was on Jay Leno's Garage he was the exact same way, it was sooo funny lol
Npc stance
Excellent and informative video, great tuning shop, wish I lived in Oz... 😁
The gains boiiii🤘🏻🔥
With this tuner coming from a multi hour circuit racing background rather than from drag racing, I'd be curious to hear if he does anything differently when tuning for that type of usage
Who lovest he sound of a BRZ?
When cold?
When modified exhaust is present?
Even Moog made a disgusted face there...
Yeah sounds like some poor bastard with food poisoning is dumping a mixture of blood and last night's takeout overboard.
I thought this was a poem until the 5th time I read it..
There's nothing wrong with owning an NA car; there's plenty of NA car owners out there living perfectly kickass lives. My first wife owned an NA car. She's a pilot now.
I had my car on one of them dynos the other day and made 343hp at the wheels.Was well Happy with the result.
I saw moog’s identical twin in the blue mountains the other day
The boys: make fun of Honda’s
Me: cries in VTEC
Nice choon! 🥸
If you really want to make the most of this, you need to do a video on e85. I'd suggest an ECUtek tune as that would make for quite interesting content as you could cover not just e85, but the fact that it allows different maps (that you can change between with the cruise control stalk) and has a number of different features such as throttle blipping, launch control and flat foot shifting.
Not sure how it is in other countries, but here in the US, 91 octane really sucks the life out of them.
They get a reputation of being slow being run in western mountain states with smog check certified OE exhaust and tune with 91 octane at high elevation. Then back east the cats get tossed, the tunes get changed, 93 is available everywhere, air is more dense, and the difference is pretty stunning.
0:00 - 0:20 This is how much aerosol comes out of somebody's mouth when shouting... Sorry I guess I am oversensitive now... fml... stay safe! ;)
I noticed that too
For real
say it dont spray it Moog!
That was a disgusting amount of spray spray being ejected from his mouth. I feel like I would be drenched if I had a 5 minute conversation with him. He should hire someone to place wet floor signs behind any area he speaks. Can we get a shirt that says MCM on the back and splash zone on the front?
Recommend PVS at paramatta, it's where I got my turbo 86 tuned, made 280kw at the hubs on e85 11psi.
That's awesome, has it been reliable since the turbo and tune? Did you have to replace anything else?
@@mikeLOL45424 Plenty reliable, been 3000km. Running a SME Spec R kit (Supplied by PVS in the video^) which is a garret gt3076r and external wastegate.
Running:
- mantic 9000 organic HD clutch
- RacerX Oil cooler
- SME catch can
- SME Baffled sump with oil return fitting
- ID1000cc injectors
- stock fuel pump
Key to reliability in these cars is ensuring oil level is near the top full mark on dipstick and baffled sump to make sure you dont starve and spin a baring. Oil cooler to keep oil in its operating range.
Most importantly, the weak stock rods dont like boost coming in hard and early, laggier options like the 3076 see full boost at 4500rpm+, as opposed to 3000rpm. All the failures I have seen were with smaller turbos like 2867's which hit full boost very early. I know people that have ran 3076's and other bigger turbos for over 30-40,000km with no issues at 14psi.
love the russell coight style handshake
Love the handshake
I'm a simple man I get a notification for mighty car mods I stop what I'm doing and watch the video!
Supercharge it so you don't throw away your exhaust mods. Centrifugal supercharger will work really well and keep the NA feel of the power curve.
What other mods need be done won't it blow motor? I wana increase power on v6 3.8L what's safest mods to do? It does zero to 100 in 6 seconds but stil abit slow how can I increase abit without fkn engine lol
@@jayjunior2023is that the Chevy 3.8L?
@@user-rq9ip1iv8b genesis g80
But don't worry..motor ended up blowing. Got diff car now . Infiniti q50 red sport. Needs a tune now
@@jayjunior2023 sorry for your loss, but happy for your gain. Best of luck man.
"Who loves the sound of a BRZ?" Me, I sure do love my NA FA20 engine!
Moo, you will love it in the end.
"Turbos are filthy because they actually inhibit the sound of a pure, NA engine." Says the guy who put an exhaust note on this rig that sounds like an empty bean can shot through a potato gun slapping the bottom of a tin bin.
i'd rather hear the whooooosh over the droooone
supercharge it Moog and hose that STI. you still have the "PURITY" of the exhaust note... and a BOV
And the torque curve doesn’t get fucked like with a turbo
@@mitchellgustafson3662 You mean like actually making torque? Lmao
Classic Russell Coit handshake there boys!
The traction light will come on if you shift too quickly thanks to rev hang. These cars seem to do best if you time your shifting instead of just slamming it into gear as quickly as you can
MCM: "We're gonna learn how to milk the cow of naturally aspirated purity."
Me: ahhh that's hot!
What kind of headers do you recommend? 23 kw or 30 ish HP from just exhaust is actually pretty good for people who love NA
POWAHH love this channel
Hey guys great vid again! Any reason why you didnt do dyno runs at each stage of the change? Stock vs cat back, vs headers, vs tuned?
“Turbochargers are for people who can’t build engines” Once said by a wikid dude
0:13 when he’s about to leave 😂😂😂😂😂
damn straight moog... no filthy hot lagging turbos...you need clean, instant, internally intercooled, Supercharged Power.!!!......................many love, much props
So I know this is an older video but I just posted on your new video about doing this :-) thanks it's good to know that my stock 18 Impreza sport could run better it doesn't sound smooth thank you
BRZ/86 owners enjoying their purity while they get passed by everyday traffic.
E85 Armed FG2 yeah these things can coexist
Yeah even the two liter diesel Toyota could out do them or somebody in their seven seater Corolla verso whit the 2.2D-4D seven people on board plus all their luggage could easily outdo the BRZ
....yeah, but in the corners.
Well it's a car build for fun driving not for performance
I was just about to say, I bet all those cars passing them in the intro have turbos haha. Still, I can appreciate an NA engine, in the right application. They're great for autocross!
May I cast my vote for a supercharger on this car?
Very cool!