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Please do a part 2 of this video talking about the advantages of staying N/A as well as the importance of gearing such as 3.55, 3.73s and 4.10s. I feel like alot of young car enthusiasts getting into thier first car , dont know much about the importance of changing gearing for acceleration for N/A cars 🚗
My family used to have a 2012 VW Beetle turbo. Yes it was fast, but the throttle response was terrible compared to my 84 Corvette with its measly 205 hp. I think that's the biggest plus of NA engines. I always find that big hp NA engines are more impressive than big hp boosted ones. That motor is making all that power by itself
But for most people, that driving smile and satisfaction of consistent acceleration, no lag and brilliant engineering is quickly wiped off when they are cut off and spanked by a Force Inducted car. For the Turbo people (alot are surprisingly narcassists) get their joy (to outweigh the inconsistent acceleration, higher maintenance, higher insurance costs etc) by showing people they are faster, insulting, blatantly showing off to stroke their ego and getting kicks seeing people try to come back but fail.
@@mikeyg923 Definitely agree, not to mention poor workmanship, associated damages and difficulty sourcing the exact same parts (cooling and turbo) to avoid tons of work and expenses to make it work again.
Definitely more easy to maintain no turbo feed,wastegate, drain, bov,custom manifold/downpipe, bigger injectors, fuel pump most times fpr and return ect..if it's not a build that exceeds 250whp ita not even worth turboing a economy car for the extra headache unless your going racing...
Such a true statement I have a 3g eclipse that I’m trying to make 250-300 crank horsepower naturally aspirated out of ,around 220-240 wheel horsepower it’ll cost around 5k done right that’s going to last 150,000 miles or more with extreme abuse so to speak on a turbo 3g eclipse compared to around roughly 2k for a na 3g eclipse with the 4g63 Evo head to make around the same power
The hate that eco boost mustangs get isn't because they have a turbo 4, the hate is because there's a better option. I don't think many people can argue that an eco boost mustang is a bad car (aside from the manuals in them kinda sucking) it's that the owner made a choice to get a newer slower car instead of going back two years and getting the V8. Another issue is the staggering amount of Ecoboost owners who tell people they own a v8 mustang, yes I've seen it myself. It's a two door, 300 hp, rwd car, it ticks all the boxes for a good enthusiast car, and if it didn't have the name mustang, I think it'd be viewed differently. I've not heard of many people shitting on wrx owners for not buying an STI, Civic si owners for not buying a type r, GTI owners for not buying a golf R, and that's because those are actually "different" cars. Badged differently, marketed differently, aimed at slightly different audiences, etc. On the flip side an Ecoboost mustang is viewed as the poor man's mustang because a conscious decision was made by ford for them to look as similar as possible so that they can sell the cheap ones by the masses.
@@djhero0071 I've never driven one, but I've heard the manuals in the post 2010 mustangs suck ass. Not that they can't hold power, or that they don't work or explode, but that compared to any decent shifter they feel really grainy and nasty when changing gears. Idk if that's something that can be fixed in the aftermarket. I'm a proponent of getting the transmission that is best for the car. For example I'd have the automatic in almost any modern bmw before a manual because their manual transmissions feel like an afterthought and fan service when compared to the manuals in say a Honda or a Miata
My full "bolt on" turbo Subaru is a pretty good match for most full "bolt on" NA LS1 cars. It's all about what you like. 400ish crank is plenty for me on my daily. My current project is a E46 330ci that will also be getting boost and I'll shoot for a little more power out of that but still want good response for track days.
If you're running a car at a track day you're keeping it wound out most of the time, in that case "response" isn't an issue, I'd expect the turbo to be kept spooled from the high rpms youre maintaining. Response is a problem when you downshift or just roll into the gas in 4th gear at 40mph. Idk what I'm talking about I've never tracked my cars at the moment, but in the mountains I never have problems with response on my GTI that makes a hair over 300
@@grantkendrick277 You're mostly right. There's some technical tracks where you're not sure if you want to drop to second or keep it in third. A lot of E46 guys like to run a GT35 where I'll probably start out with a GT30 .82 and see how I like it. This is on a stock bottom end so if I find myself limiting torque down low too much I'll probably just switch to the larger turbo anyway.
There's no replacement for displacement when it comes to throttle response.... except for launch control and anti-lag... that's just the undeniable king of turbo pros over big NA
When you have high compression over square pistons, high lift cams, minimum 8k rpm rev limit, dual vanos or ivtec and ITB's, you don't need forced induction. Just drive it harder.
I have a 3g eclipse with a naturally aspirated 4G64 and my engine is way over engineered but that’s due to the fact I didn’t want to increase displacement or use race fuel plus I didn’t change the cam I just used lighter components it’s still my daily so itb’s would literally make it twitchy in stop and go traffic
@@johnathanhite3657 That's why you get it re-mapped once the ITB's have been fitted, so it idles nice. Half throttle on the peddle should still be half throttle on the ITB's.
Mine ain't the S54, I've got the M54 and i love that E46 to bits. The feel of a straight 6 is amazing and i don't think I'll ever go back to 4cyl if 8 can help it
I had the M54B22, the 170bhp 2.2 baby six. The 5 series touring meant it was worked so hard all the time but it was no bother. Never sounded stressed or abused it just went for the redline through each gear with no fuss or drama. Ironically the shorter stroke and slightly higher compression made it sound and feel more aggressive than the larger motors. It was beautifully buzzy with a sense or urgency that made it feel very alive and vibrant. Eager and willing feeling motor for sure. If the redline was about 1k higher it would have felt like a big VTEC running on cream. Shame it was so bloody weak despite all of that but might have felt better in a 3 compact with a manual box
Went from a FBO/tuned turbo 10th gen civic Si to a 2022 BRZ, and although the whoosh noises are nice, nothing beats an old fashioned N/A motor with usable torque throughout the rev range
My thought on turbo cars..... "once everyone becomes special......NOBODY is".Turbos used to be reserved for exotics, race cars and just plain cool street cars. Now that every civic, juke, elantra, sentra and every other econo crap car has a turbo, it isnt even cool anymore. I find myself preferring good ole NA power now. The list of turbo wannabe race cars on the market is endless, yet I went with a new BRZ. IMO that is exactly what a sports car should be.
A lot of these downsized turbos for everyday cars run very little boost. The stress on the driveline would concern me more than the motor itself in reliability terms
I picked up an 88' Naturally Aspirated Supra last summer. Pretty much no one mentions the MK3 supras with a the 7M-GE (NA) engine because there is a turbo option and not very tunable (NA-T is a mess). Do I regret it? Absolutely not. The engine is a lot more reliable and you have fewer things to worry about along with NA Supras being MUCH cheaper and easier to find in good shape. On top of that all it sounds like a million bucks and I don't mind at all (especially because 1-2JZ motors cost as much as I paid for the car...) People talk like this car is so slow that it shouldn't even be used and the engine swapped ASAP, but the reality is, it's fine and has plenty of torque. Instead of screwing around with the engine, I get to focus on the rest of the car and that is something a LOT of MK3 supra owners don't really do.
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@@k20z3keith7 yeah I picked up a mint AP1 S2000 last summer, DD is an 08 AWD Element that I'm swapping a K20A2 and 6th gear to this year... dream car if my crypto goes back up is an 05 NSX.
@@kalmtraveler Nice. Love how the AP1 revs out. Seen a couple Elements with k swaps and they're awesome sleepers. I'm planning on getting the KW kit for my Si. I'm FBO (I, H, E, and TB) and tuned now with most of my suspension done up and she surprises a lot of ppl.
@@k20z3keith7 that's awesome! do you know roughly how much the tune helped after adding/swapping all those I/H/E and TB? For the S2k I have a bored TB and IM but have really wanted to go ITBs just for the throttle response... and got a Berk HFC and J's 70mm titanium single exhaust en route from Japan hopefully this month (ordered back in July 2021) but wasn't sure if a tune would help much.
@@kalmtraveler 100%. Tune will make everything compliment each other. Especially since rev out high. Need WOT fueling to be as smooth as possible. Custom tune will give you that nice tight linear powerband. First thing I got with my intake was Flashpro since Hybrids 3.5in required it, but I wanted to start tuning right away anyways for my engines sake. Went through several revisions to get my data just right. Everything is perfect with zero knock running 93. Knock will be a lot with mods and no tune. Plus stock tune will just be dumping fuel to compensate. As far as ITBs I'm not too sure about what application is best. I've seen them more on NA builds with head work done
Pretty sure most of the time to squeeze the absolute most power from na usually involves high cost parts and smaller gains. We live in a tiktok world and boost is usually cheapest when its Hp/$
That’s a lie it mostly depends on the platform so high dollar or custom parts won’t be needed if it’s a desired platform Case in point my 3g eclipse if it wasn’t do to the fact the 4g64 and 4g63 had interchangeable parts dam near everything would be custom Oil catch cans fuel coolers CNC ported and polished heads with altered valve angles head gasket thickness fuel pressure regulator fine point spray pattern injectors crank scrapers windage tray etc…. It honestly takes more research almost like taking a drag racer approach finding horsepower in every facet
@@johnathanhite3657 it was a general statement and I can't help but feel all you described is literally everything need to squeeze every bit out of a self propelled air pump. I agree that an R&D approach is needed for top performance turbo setups, as any build does for that application. However this is more a daily driver oriented perspective when it comes to my Hp/$ rule of thumb. Im not gonna say your experience is limited strictly to the 3g eclipse. But that car came out of the box turbo so yes support from other cousin engunes. My spyder had 6 bolt bottom end Sirius head out of a kia a 20g wheel stuffed in an old 18g housing I had and put down 500 the ground on 93+meth. Cost me very little in terms of money and took alto of time to make things work. But its like you said. It all depends on platform and support for that platform.
@@johnathanhite3657 I just had so many issues with my last turbo car. It was a 2002 VW Beetle 1.8t. Made killer power, but I went through 2 turbos, both were triple K' from BorgWarner, oil and coolant leaks from the lines that ran to the turbo, and I did have a 75 shot nitrous as well. Pretty sure that added to my issues. Right now I'm building a TSX, only want 300 to 325hp all motor. I'm good.
People have become so narcassistic they have become power insatiable drivers. Of all the methods to gain power, Turbo is the easiest and cheapest (from a modders perspective and also manufacturer's). With the advent of cheaper upgrades (from overseas made factories), Turbo's became really affordable. For modder that wanted power gains without the headaches of achieving micro gains via efficiencies (that took longer and less overall gains) turbo was the modder's choice. When pollution restrictions increased, Turbo was also the cheapest way for Manufacturers to keep or increase power but still meet emissions target by having using a smaller but turbo equipped engine. That is because in the fuel economy targets it consists of varying cycles (city, hwy, idle etc). In the lower cycles (idle, slow acceleration) the smaller engine gave the benefit of less emissions, but with ability to burn as much as a much larger displacement engine the product performance did not suffer. So in both examples above, Turbo charged engines are become more common and the platform of both the casual modder and manufacturer, leaving natural aspirated engines a dwindling format.
I'm here because I'm trying to learn as much as I can about the 2013 e92 328xi and I know it has a nat asp sys. If anybody could point me to useful videos or sites, I'd truly appreciate it. Thanks ya kindly folks. I knew nothing about cars last week but I'm aware that if I'm gonna buy this car, it'll be much more affordable if I learn it inside and out and do the maintenance myself.
So far, the water pump has already been replaced, seemingly just as a precaution after 110000 miles, since they're known to go bad. I understand it's an N52K engine with the plastic valve covers and the issues that come along with that, but all in all it seems to be a great car.
CNC ported and polished cylinder heads fuel cooler water meth injection fine point spray injectors alter valve angles lighten every component to make it rev faster and higher crank scrapers oil squirters more valves such as 5 valve per cylinder exhaust scavenging combustion head gasket thickness race fuel etc…
Point is it’s multiple ways everything can be modified to the highest degree to make a gain a gain is a gain whether 10 horsepower 100 horsepower or .1 horsepower I’ve spent a year trying to make my 3g eclipse make na power in all scenarios from elevation levels to fuel levels to outside air temperatures and the controls of engine fluid and the temp of those said fluids
Love my NA mustangs and excursion. Don't get me wrong coyote twin turbo on my Sn95. But a Godzilla on my new edge for NA pure torque and power. My Excursions v10 get 400 torque at 2k rpms. NA. And I can build it still
NA is best! ok ya its slow... but its reliable, can redline all day and get crazy high mileage with little maintence. Keepin my k20 goin till she dies, then I'll get another :)
Live Cape Cod Massachusetts, na is way to go. Shitty roads, short and sweet. I stay away from car meets because I'm na. They don't drive yr round, I do. What I drive is a joke to them. Neon 2.0, K&N Typhoon intake, Mopar street Catback exhaust, MSD Ignition coil also plugs and wires. Enkei wheels and BFG tires. Not slammed down. Short throw shifter, Braum viper seats. I drive it yr round, daily driver...They can't!! So really what's better? And they spend a hell of alot more money then I do.
i dont mind the ecoboost cars, its just when you put it in something like a mustang gt youre pretending to be something youre not which is the sad part (i actually find this to be more of an issue than them being less powerful than the v8s). its like the kid that tries to join the popular group at school but just comes off as, for a lack of better words, tryhardy and cringeworthy. sure you could argue that the foxbody mustang was available with a turbo 4 but is that really what comes to mind when you think of any mustang?
I actually don't mind the turbocharged pony cars since they are cheaper than their V8 counterparts and easy on fuel with today's prices. But I'm still torn on the sound because you expect those cars to have a roaring V8.
Yea na cars need a comeback. Turbos make power but the real game in tuning is na. 87% of the energy in combustion is waste in a standard car. That's the bottom line. Your job as a tuner is make that 87% do work. That's right 13% is propelling you forward the rest is all waste. Imagine how fast cars would be if you could do this. Everyone got lazy using turbos but that still didn't fix the real problem. They are still operating on the same ratio. in full waste.
@@johnathanhite3657 the tuning game got side tracked. Na is where you will find real power. Take the potential and make exponential. If you want to play the game to show how smart you are this is the way.
Nothing beats the first time your friend had those devil eyes 👀 n gave you the keys to his turbo ride Me: floors it, this shit is slow fam you sure it ain't broken 😒 Car: initiating boost in 5...4....3....2....1😈 Me: holy shit f🤬CK Jesus save me 🙏☠️😇 Also Me: get out of my way peasants I am God😆😆😎😎
there's a lot to be said about the reliability of an N/A v6 or v8 putting out over 300 hp. i think a lot of the reason why n/a 4 cylinders are going away is because cars keep getting heavier. 200 hp used to be more than enough for an economy car to be fun. back in the 90s and early 2000s cars like the civic, mirage/lancer, cavalier, neon, corolla, sentra.. they didnt need power to feel quick. they didnt weigh anything.
Very accurate. Cars also used to be a lot more "connected". I have a great example of this by having a mid 90s car, a 2008 car, and a 2016 car. The difference between them is ridiculous, in the 90s car, driving 30 mph feels fast. In the 2008 car, you dont feel like your going fast until you hit 50 mph. And in the 2016 car it doesnt even feel fast at 80 mph. In a modern car you are just so isolated from the outside that you cant feel anything.
@@engineerisengihere44 this is why I hate car reviews that complain about road noise/engine noise. I want to be able to hear what's going on outside of the car
I feel this is my soul it was the same way for me driving my 2000 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS then driving a 2021 Kia Optima new cars aren’t connected at all straight dead feeling
80’s/90’s/00’s Japanese performance cars were fun because they were small, light, and analogue. They didn’t have a soul, but they felt like actual cars. Driving their modern equivalents feels like driving a giant plastic iPad.
I'm still concerned about the rise of turbocharged engines for a reason you didn't mention: reliability and average cost of maintenance. All else being equal, I have a hard time believing that a turbocharged engine will cost as little to maintain as a naturally-aspirated engine with more cylinders that produces the same power. For this reason, my sports sedan wishlist contains 3 cars with NA engines but only 1 with a turbo.
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Please do a part 2 of this video talking about the advantages of staying N/A as well as the importance of gearing such as 3.55, 3.73s and 4.10s. I feel like alot of young car enthusiasts getting into thier first car , dont know much about the importance of changing gearing for acceleration for N/A cars 🚗
love this :)
@@sanders2strong can you explain it for me? Haha got my first stick shift car and still want to understand how gearing radio works
Facts I had a 3.3 diff ratio on my g35 sedan I swapped it out for a 3.69 from a g37 and it’s wayyyyy quicker now
@@armandoaparicio8986 have you ridden a bicycle that has 3 speed or more?
I like this reply.
My family used to have a 2012 VW Beetle turbo. Yes it was fast, but the throttle response was terrible compared to my 84 Corvette with its measly 205 hp. I think that's the biggest plus of NA engines. I always find that big hp NA engines are more impressive than big hp boosted ones. That motor is making all that power by itself
But for most people, that driving smile and satisfaction of consistent acceleration, no lag and brilliant engineering is quickly wiped off when they are cut off and spanked by a Force Inducted car.
For the Turbo people (alot are surprisingly narcassists) get their joy (to outweigh the inconsistent acceleration, higher maintenance, higher insurance costs etc) by showing people they are faster, insulting, blatantly showing off to stroke their ego and getting kicks seeing people try to come back but fail.
@@crxdelsolsir what?
@@crxdelsolsir Turbo cars are fun until you find out about "reliability" and "upkeep prices" and the N/A guy is still going at it
@@mikeyg923 Definitely agree, not to mention poor workmanship, associated damages and difficulty sourcing the exact same parts (cooling and turbo) to avoid tons of work and expenses to make it work again.
Guys, remember..........It's OK to be N/A
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thanks man needed to hear this
Definitely more easy to maintain no turbo feed,wastegate, drain, bov,custom manifold/downpipe, bigger injectors, fuel pump most times fpr and return ect..if it's not a build that exceeds 250whp ita not even worth turboing a economy car for the extra headache unless your going racing...
Such a true statement I have a 3g eclipse that I’m trying to make 250-300 crank horsepower naturally aspirated out of ,around 220-240 wheel horsepower it’ll cost around 5k done right that’s going to last 150,000 miles or more with extreme abuse so to speak on a turbo 3g eclipse compared to around roughly 2k for a na 3g eclipse with the 4g63 Evo head to make around the same power
The hate that eco boost mustangs get isn't because they have a turbo 4, the hate is because there's a better option. I don't think many people can argue that an eco boost mustang is a bad car (aside from the manuals in them kinda sucking) it's that the owner made a choice to get a newer slower car instead of going back two years and getting the V8. Another issue is the staggering amount of Ecoboost owners who tell people they own a v8 mustang, yes I've seen it myself. It's a two door, 300 hp, rwd car, it ticks all the boxes for a good enthusiast car, and if it didn't have the name mustang, I think it'd be viewed differently.
I've not heard of many people shitting on wrx owners for not buying an STI, Civic si owners for not buying a type r, GTI owners for not buying a golf R, and that's because those are actually "different" cars. Badged differently, marketed differently, aimed at slightly different audiences, etc. On the flip side an Ecoboost mustang is viewed as the poor man's mustang because a conscious decision was made by ford for them to look as similar as possible so that they can sell the cheap ones by the masses.
I thought manuals were always “better”.
@@djhero0071 I've never driven one, but I've heard the manuals in the post 2010 mustangs suck ass. Not that they can't hold power, or that they don't work or explode, but that compared to any decent shifter they feel really grainy and nasty when changing gears. Idk if that's something that can be fixed in the aftermarket. I'm a proponent of getting the transmission that is best for the car. For example I'd have the automatic in almost any modern bmw before a manual because their manual transmissions feel like an afterthought and fan service when compared to the manuals in say a Honda or a Miata
If that’s true then fuck the “manual only all day every day” crowd.
My full "bolt on" turbo Subaru is a pretty good match for most full "bolt on" NA LS1 cars. It's all about what you like. 400ish crank is plenty for me on my daily. My current project is a E46 330ci that will also be getting boost and I'll shoot for a little more power out of that but still want good response for track days.
How many engines are you on?
@@Antspray1 😹😹💀
If you're running a car at a track day you're keeping it wound out most of the time, in that case "response" isn't an issue, I'd expect the turbo to be kept spooled from the high rpms youre maintaining. Response is a problem when you downshift or just roll into the gas in 4th gear at 40mph.
Idk what I'm talking about I've never tracked my cars at the moment, but in the mountains I never have problems with response on my GTI that makes a hair over 300
@@Antspray1 Original. I'm not an idiot who maxes out a stock fuel system with a turbo that's far beyond it's efficiency range.
@@grantkendrick277 You're mostly right. There's some technical tracks where you're not sure if you want to drop to second or keep it in third. A lot of E46 guys like to run a GT35 where I'll probably start out with a GT30 .82 and see how I like it. This is on a stock bottom end so if I find myself limiting torque down low too much I'll probably just switch to the larger turbo anyway.
There's no replacement for displacement when it comes to throttle response.... except for launch control and anti-lag... that's just the undeniable king of turbo pros over big NA
What about superchargers and what about twin charging
@@61936 twin charging is black magic but man it is extremely efficient. Almost 0% lag.
When you have high compression over square pistons, high lift cams, minimum 8k rpm rev limit, dual vanos or ivtec and ITB's, you don't need forced induction. Just drive it harder.
Facts 💯
I have a 3g eclipse with a naturally aspirated 4G64 and my engine is way over engineered but that’s due to the fact I didn’t want to increase displacement or use race fuel plus I didn’t change the cam I just used lighter components it’s still my daily so itb’s would literally make it twitchy in stop and go traffic
@@johnathanhite3657 That's why you get it re-mapped once the ITB's have been fitted, so it idles nice. Half throttle on the peddle should still be half throttle on the ITB's.
Well yes but no
Sounds like your talking about my slightly modified 97 NSX 🥰
For racing applications, an Na car making the same power as a turbo car is always better due to torque, response, and reliability
@yamahayzfr15 yes so they can break faster and the f#cked up system are making more money while the people are losing more money
Man I miss the NA sounds, everything on the road is either a SUV or a choked turbo 4 cyl
Thank god for the big American 3 having NA options
or swedish turbo 5 cylinder bricks.... I got a 2000 Volvo V70R a week or two ago, and I'm still very excited
@@danielerickson4893 those 5 cylinders are amazing
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Turbo 4 banger squad will always have my heart ❤️ just more fun
I miss those 2lt 4 cyl N/A engines 3SGE Beams, SR20VE and the F20B.
Sr20ve gang!
@@brandon_buildsDIYover 210 screaming horses without turbo.
Always love seeing the e46 m3 still being talked about
Would never it, if I had one. Going to one of the top classics in a few years
Us base model bois getting ignored tho😭😂
Mine ain't the S54, I've got the M54 and i love that E46 to bits. The feel of a straight 6 is amazing and i don't think I'll ever go back to 4cyl if 8 can help it
I had the M54B22, the 170bhp 2.2 baby six. The 5 series touring meant it was worked so hard all the time but it was no bother. Never sounded stressed or abused it just went for the redline through each gear with no fuss or drama. Ironically the shorter stroke and slightly higher compression made it sound and feel more aggressive than the larger motors. It was beautifully buzzy with a sense or urgency that made it feel very alive and vibrant. Eager and willing feeling motor for sure. If the redline was about 1k higher it would have felt like a big VTEC running on cream. Shame it was so bloody weak despite all of that but might have felt better in a 3 compact with a manual box
I'm sick of the EPA"s constantly tightening restrictions ruining car culture. DEFUND THE EPA!
I hear you, but now they're doing there job. Global Warming is real my friend. Even if it wasn't, pollution is real my friend.
If there were no restrictions, there'd be no push to improve technology and we'd be driving shitty cars that make no power. Nobody wins.
Went from a FBO/tuned turbo 10th gen civic Si to a 2022 BRZ, and although the whoosh noises are nice, nothing beats an old fashioned N/A motor with usable torque throughout the rev range
What about a larger displacement 4 cylinder that already has decent torque, and then, add assistance from a properly sized turbocharger?
what whoosh noises?
@@Mike_Atwell Always a good option, I'm considering a snail later on once I use up a bit of my warranty
@@Schizo_Milk turbo noises from the civic
@@SteezyKenny my bad forgot 9th was the last NA si. for whatever reason thought 10th was still k24
My thought on turbo cars.....
"once everyone becomes special......NOBODY is".Turbos used to be reserved for exotics, race cars and just plain cool street cars. Now that every civic, juke, elantra, sentra and every other econo crap car has a turbo, it isnt even cool anymore. I find myself preferring good ole NA power now. The list of turbo wannabe race cars on the market is endless, yet I went with a new BRZ. IMO that is exactly what a sports car should be.
@third pregnancy mom uh huh.... Maybe. But not with you driving it against me.
Turbo cars don't last long and n/a car last longer
A lot of these downsized turbos for everyday cars run very little boost. The stress on the driveline would concern me more than the motor itself in reliability terms
I picked up an 88' Naturally Aspirated Supra last summer. Pretty much no one mentions the MK3 supras with a the 7M-GE (NA) engine because there is a turbo option and not very tunable (NA-T is a mess).
Do I regret it? Absolutely not. The engine is a lot more reliable and you have fewer things to worry about along with NA Supras being MUCH cheaper and easier to find in good shape. On top of that all it sounds like a million bucks and I don't mind at all (especially because 1-2JZ motors cost as much as I paid for the car...)
People talk like this car is so slow that it shouldn't even be used and the engine swapped ASAP, but the reality is, it's fine and has plenty of torque. Instead of screwing around with the engine, I get to focus on the rest of the car and that is something a LOT of MK3 supra owners don't really do.
NA exhaust sounds so much better
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Sad truth is nobody want to be slow, now days everyone is either running big motor or bolts on added for slightest power gains in this new era.
Time to start collecting all those old N/A Hondas. We'll never hear VTEC again in the future!
Nope. Never selling my K20.
@@k20z3keith7 yeah I picked up a mint AP1 S2000 last summer, DD is an 08 AWD Element that I'm swapping a K20A2 and 6th gear to this year... dream car if my crypto goes back up is an 05 NSX.
@@kalmtraveler Nice. Love how the AP1 revs out. Seen a couple Elements with k swaps and they're awesome sleepers. I'm planning on getting the KW kit for my Si. I'm FBO (I, H, E, and TB) and tuned now with most of my suspension done up and she surprises a lot of ppl.
@@k20z3keith7 that's awesome! do you know roughly how much the tune helped after adding/swapping all those I/H/E and TB? For the S2k I have a bored TB and IM but have really wanted to go ITBs just for the throttle response... and got a Berk HFC and J's 70mm titanium single exhaust en route from Japan hopefully this month (ordered back in July 2021) but wasn't sure if a tune would help much.
@@kalmtraveler 100%. Tune will make everything compliment each other. Especially since rev out high. Need WOT fueling to be as smooth as possible. Custom tune will give you that nice tight linear powerband. First thing I got with my intake was Flashpro since Hybrids 3.5in required it, but I wanted to start tuning right away anyways for my engines sake. Went through several revisions to get my data just right. Everything is perfect with zero knock running 93. Knock will be a lot with mods and no tune. Plus stock tune will just be dumping fuel to compensate. As far as ITBs I'm not too sure about what application is best. I've seen them more on NA builds with head work done
That moment when you had to settle for a M54b30😭😭.
Nahh still a NA, but I’m gonna regret not getting that S54b32
GM was turboing iconic cars in the 80s. Mostly the GNX and Cyclone
Noti Squad! Everything is turning into 4 bangers and EV's and im scared for the gas car future
6:46 Nice w211 wagon behind the tire smoke
@zetorih yep, I’ve got one… although it’s not an E55, but it’s got the backwards third row seats to compensate 😂
I don't know much about cars but I do love some na engines ❤️
Got my IS500 2 two weeks ago. Gone be keeping it for a long time.
My car's naturally A$$pirated 🤣
Pretty sure most of the time to squeeze the absolute most power from na usually involves high cost parts and smaller gains. We live in a tiktok world and boost is usually cheapest when its Hp/$
That’s a lie it mostly depends on the platform so high dollar or custom parts won’t be needed if it’s a desired platform Case in point my 3g eclipse if it wasn’t do to the fact the 4g64 and 4g63 had interchangeable parts dam near everything would be custom Oil catch cans fuel coolers CNC ported and polished heads with altered valve angles head gasket thickness fuel pressure regulator fine point spray pattern injectors crank scrapers windage tray etc…. It honestly takes more research almost like taking a drag racer approach finding horsepower in every facet
@@johnathanhite3657 it was a general statement and I can't help but feel all you described is literally everything need to squeeze every bit out of a self propelled air pump.
I agree that an R&D approach is needed for top performance turbo setups, as any build does for that application.
However this is more a daily driver oriented perspective when it comes to my Hp/$ rule of thumb. Im not gonna say your experience is limited strictly to the 3g eclipse. But that car came out of the box turbo so yes support from other cousin engunes. My spyder had 6 bolt bottom end Sirius head out of a kia a 20g wheel stuffed in an old 18g housing I had and put down 500 the ground on 93+meth. Cost me very little in terms of money and took alto of time to make things work.
But its like you said. It all depends on platform and support for that platform.
That’s pretty awesome dude not bad but do understand what you are saying
So when I finish my 1960 F100 to BMW E46 chassis swap do I put it under an E46 on F.I or F100 on C.O?
Lmao uhhh both? 👀🔥
Please do a video on the Nissan NX2000
It’s pretty clear the ‘73 Oil Crisis was a influence on the rise of turbos too.
My current build is NA. No more turbos for me man.
What happened lol
@@johnathanhite3657 I just had so many issues with my last turbo car. It was a 2002 VW Beetle 1.8t. Made killer power, but I went through 2 turbos, both were triple K' from BorgWarner, oil and coolant leaks from the lines that ran to the turbo, and I did have a 75 shot nitrous as well. Pretty sure that added to my issues. Right now I'm building a TSX, only want 300 to 325hp all motor. I'm good.
Love seeing my BLQ’s in the background 🔥
People have become so narcassistic they have become power insatiable drivers.
Of all the methods to gain power, Turbo is the easiest and cheapest (from a modders perspective and also manufacturer's).
With the advent of cheaper upgrades (from overseas made factories), Turbo's became really affordable.
For modder that wanted power gains without the headaches of achieving micro gains via efficiencies (that took longer and less overall gains) turbo was the modder's choice.
When pollution restrictions increased, Turbo was also the cheapest way for Manufacturers to keep or increase power but still meet emissions target by having using a smaller but turbo equipped engine. That is because in the fuel economy targets it consists of varying cycles (city, hwy, idle etc). In the lower cycles (idle, slow acceleration) the smaller engine gave the benefit of less emissions, but with ability to burn as much as a much larger displacement engine the product performance did not suffer.
So in both examples above, Turbo charged engines are become more common and the platform of both the casual modder and manufacturer, leaving natural aspirated engines a dwindling format.
Hell yeah DDS is still a turbo charged V12 in OSRS♥️♥️
I'm here because I'm trying to learn as much as I can about the 2013 e92 328xi and I know it has a nat asp sys. If anybody could point me to useful videos or sites, I'd truly appreciate it. Thanks ya kindly folks. I knew nothing about cars last week but I'm aware that if I'm gonna buy this car, it'll be much more affordable if I learn it inside and out and do the maintenance myself.
So far, the water pump has already been replaced, seemingly just as a precaution after 110000 miles, since they're known to go bad. I understand it's an N52K engine with the plastic valve covers and the issues that come along with that, but all in all it seems to be a great car.
Christmas in the building
Buick GNX and Turbo T/A: Are we jokes to you?
Can big mike please have his own video?
love the runescape jokes
I love N/A cars. Especially since you can find em with great power, and build from there. Also, electric cars... Gross.
What can you do to build an na car? I just know about more aggressive cams, but headers, intake and exhaust should be great from factory right?
CNC ported and polished cylinder heads fuel cooler water meth injection fine point spray injectors alter valve angles lighten every component to make it rev faster and higher crank scrapers oil squirters more valves such as 5 valve per cylinder exhaust scavenging combustion head gasket thickness race fuel etc…
Point is it’s multiple ways everything can be modified to the highest degree to make a gain a gain is a gain whether 10 horsepower 100 horsepower or .1 horsepower I’ve spent a year trying to make my 3g eclipse make na power in all scenarios from elevation levels to fuel levels to outside air temperatures and the controls of engine fluid and the temp of those said fluids
@@hamdawgms The same stuff you can do to a turbo engine sir.
@@onireno whats that? sorry, kinda new. a tune and injectors/pump?
The RuneScape reference 😂😂
The s12 had a turbo option in the USA yeah Nissan sold a turboed s-chassis in the usa. Mind blown 😳
Love my NA mustangs and excursion. Don't get me wrong coyote twin turbo on my Sn95. But a Godzilla on my new edge for NA pure torque and power. My Excursions v10 get 400 torque at 2k rpms. NA. And I can build it still
Does a video about NA, spends the whole time talking about turbos.
This video is fueled by EPA.
ya'll should do a video about motorex.Like what happenned to them
4g69 is the best.
NA is best! ok ya its slow... but its reliable, can redline all day and get crazy high mileage with little maintence. Keepin my k20 goin till she dies, then I'll get another :)
Live Cape Cod Massachusetts, na is way to go. Shitty roads, short and sweet. I stay away from car meets because I'm na. They don't drive yr round, I do. What I drive is a joke to them. Neon 2.0, K&N Typhoon intake, Mopar street Catback exhaust, MSD Ignition coil also plugs and wires. Enkei wheels and BFG tires. Not slammed down. Short throw shifter, Braum viper seats. I drive it yr round, daily driver...They can't!! So really what's better? And they spend a hell of alot more money then I do.
i dont mind the ecoboost cars, its just when you put it in something like a mustang gt youre pretending to be something youre not which is the sad part (i actually find this to be more of an issue than them being less powerful than the v8s). its like the kid that tries to join the popular group at school but just comes off as, for a lack of better words, tryhardy and cringeworthy. sure you could argue that the foxbody mustang was available with a turbo 4 but is that really what comes to mind when you think of any mustang?
Vtech baby
Lmaooo this man really just said DDS spec 😂 I'll send u to lumby bro
Nissan made the best sounding NA straight sixes. Chrysler as well. not the jeep.
POWER
There’s NAs that are by far faster than any turbine ever will be
old school rune scape !!! a man i still play that and i am 26 yesrs old !! lol GF naturally aspirated cars not !!!!
Mmm what a great intro
I actually don't mind the turbocharged pony cars since they are cheaper than their V8 counterparts and easy on fuel with today's prices. But I'm still torn on the sound because you expect those cars to have a roaring V8.
They get a bad rep, but have a lot of potential! -Edgar
WOOHOO AOT!!!!
RUNESCAPE?!?
I love NA’s but snails are sweeter
Yea na cars need a comeback. Turbos make power but the real game in tuning is na. 87% of the energy in combustion is waste in a standard car. That's the bottom line. Your job as a tuner is make that 87% do work. That's right 13% is propelling you forward the rest is all waste. Imagine how fast cars would be if you could do this. Everyone got lazy using turbos but that still didn't fix the real problem. They are still operating on the same ratio. in full waste.
Bro get out of my head lol 😂 I literally was thinking about imagine making or modifying your engine to turn 50% of fuel into useful work
@@johnathanhite3657 the tuning game got side tracked. Na is where you will find real power. Take the potential and make exponential. If you want to play the game to show how smart you are this is the way.
Aot baby
AoT🔥🔥🔥🔥
People stopped giving a fuck about the longevity of their ride, and became concerned with their econobox’s 1/4 mile times…
Yup. My 2012 Mazda 3 is reliable and good on gas. Sure it's not fast but it's fun down the gravel roads here and gets me where I need to go
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You talked more about turbo cars than na cars.
just know in attack on titan a lot of people die
NAs may be dying but my 6.0L land boat will remain N/A.
🛥🛥🛥 -Edgar
I’m cool with my integra boys🥰
*polygon, not parallelogram.
I'd really like to move out of my parents house but I also really want to choose my own car
Mazda 3 squad
nah fr tho brother your hair lookin clean. howd you fix your hairline.
emission laws... thats what happen lol
Turbos
1st here🙋🏽♂️
green screen needs work
Nothing beats the first time your friend had those devil eyes 👀 n gave you the keys to his turbo ride
Me: floors it, this shit is slow fam you sure it ain't broken 😒
Car: initiating boost in 5...4....3....2....1😈
Me: holy shit f🤬CK Jesus save me 🙏☠️😇
Also Me: get out of my way peasants I am God😆😆😎😎
NA cars are shit unless its like a v8, I had 2 4cyl NAs, never again, slow as shit and hella boring cars.
Osrs lmfao hahahaha Nub 🤣🤣 joking but hell yeah osrs FTW LOL
Pokimid
Get your friggin green screen together, shits lookin like a 3 viewer twitch streamer. Love yall but that shit was distracting
If you like anime watch one-piece
562st
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You don’t get more fuel efficiency with a turbo charger.
Says nothing about Variable Valve Timing… 🤷🏻♂️
there's a lot to be said about the reliability of an N/A v6 or v8 putting out over 300 hp. i think a lot of the reason why n/a 4 cylinders are going away is because cars keep getting heavier. 200 hp used to be more than enough for an economy car to be fun. back in the 90s and early 2000s cars like the civic, mirage/lancer, cavalier, neon, corolla, sentra.. they didnt need power to feel quick. they didnt weigh anything.
Very accurate. Cars also used to be a lot more "connected". I have a great example of this by having a mid 90s car, a 2008 car, and a 2016 car. The difference between them is ridiculous, in the 90s car, driving 30 mph feels fast. In the 2008 car, you dont feel like your going fast until you hit 50 mph. And in the 2016 car it doesnt even feel fast at 80 mph. In a modern car you are just so isolated from the outside that you cant feel anything.
@@engineerisengihere44 this is why I hate car reviews that complain about road noise/engine noise. I want to be able to hear what's going on outside of the car
I feel this is my soul it was the same way for me driving my 2000 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS then driving a 2021 Kia Optima new cars aren’t connected at all straight dead feeling
80’s/90’s/00’s Japanese performance cars were fun because they were small, light, and analogue. They didn’t have a soul, but they felt like actual cars. Driving their modern equivalents feels like driving a giant plastic iPad.
Such a VW Scirocco Mk2 with 95 hp n/a 4-cylinder engine feels quick because it weighs not even a ton
If you want to go around turns you can't beat the curve of NA
All the Hondas got jacked on 50/50 nitro and went 8's and the m1 cars went 9's
Boosted cars are cool but I love the unfiltered sound that NA cars have.
Bruh Toyota 4a-GE 20 valve motor with itb’s straight porn!!!
I'm still concerned about the rise of turbocharged engines for a reason you didn't mention: reliability and average cost of maintenance. All else being equal, I have a hard time believing that a turbocharged engine will cost as little to maintain as a naturally-aspirated engine with more cylinders that produces the same power. For this reason, my sports sedan wishlist contains 3 cars with NA engines but only 1 with a turbo.
And this is why I bought the last naturally aspirated Honda Civic Si K24 💪
So basically everything I love in the automotive industry is disappearing forever...combustion engines, NA motors, H pattern manuals... nice
Why tf y’all always make videos that answer my questions as soon as they come up in my head🤣😂💯
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The F.I TEAM using their Telekinesis skills on ya🤣😅