Supercharged vs Tuned - Long Term FRS (GT86) #5 - Everyday Driver
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- Опубліковано 18 січ 2017
- Our Long Term FRS already has a header and exhaust to help deal with the dip in the 86's torque. Now we add a tune made for these parts by Open Flash Performance and see how much more power and drive-ability can be extracted from before going to forced induction.
And then - to really see and feel the difference, we compare our tuned car to a Jackson Racing Supercharged FRS. Same dyno, same day, and same roads. The results might surprise you.
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Long Term Part 1: Introducing our FRS
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Part 2: Tracking and Drifting
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Part 3: RWD in Snowstorm
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Part 4: Tuning 1 - Header & Exhaust
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I don't think Paul finished a complete sentence one time this whole video, impressive
Todd is one of “those guys”
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Paul: "I like that we've flattened the curves out." Me, in 2020: "Uhhh...."
@Troy S how can you be so stupid?
@@aarnays.883 the virus exists... the pandemic does not.
@Troy S Except that it has satisfied the first of Koch's criteria. It cannot satisfy the second as a virus that doesn't replicate itself in cell culture, which is merely an indication that 19th century understanding was rather limited in certain aspects of virology, not that the virus doesn't exist.
Also, it has been isolated multiple times. What do you think is in the vaccine?
www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN28E2SB
I went with engine back exhaust (headers, front pipe, cbe, and tune) and found that that + performance tires was really all the car needed. The gains didn't change the character of the vehicle power deliver at all but made it feel much more alive.
I was very happy I stayed NA.
What was the cost for all of that when it’s all said and done? I’m thinking about doing that too because I don’t want to mess with forced induction.
@@bustermcthundernut headers was about $700 (I bought second hand, as the original owner barely used them before going to ELHs), the front pipe was around $600, and I think the Q300 cbe was around $700. I got the ecutek software at cost and essentially got free tuning from the tuner to be his guinea pig in his effort to improve the tune on a completely stock BRZ. So, tune came first, then exhaust, and my tuner updated the tune to adapt. We had a Dropbox set up where my logs would get dropped and he'd in turn drop updated tunes to me the same way.
I'd expect for you to just pay for a road tuned pro tune from a reputable tuner.
And exhaust in total without tune was around $2k.
Really improved the pep and torque response. Torque dip definitely was mitigated, and I think we got a very respectable WHp power boost.
@@justchillin4576 I didn't really notice much if any of a significant difference for daily driving. When doing performance driving, who cares?
@@justchillin4576 thanks. It was the best car I ever owned. I miss it every day.
The thing is with a supercharger is you change a pulley and go get a tune and now you got 250whp. So in the end it's definitely worth the price in my opinion.
I got 279 out of my HKS supercharger with stock headers on a 2014 frs
the car was designed to do this. feel good stock. add 5k for 40hp more to feel complete. not everyone needs it so price stays low for those who don’t. we japanese think this is a sensible approach to market automobiles and feel it is completely logical and normal.
An alternative to supercharger could be to change the final drive for a shorter one. For 1k $ you have a significant power increase without sacrifice the engine reliability. By the way, thank you for your videos !
Guys, this is EXACTLY the information most FR-S/BRZ owners are looking for. Well done, and thank you.
Got a supercharged 86 pushing 8psi so very safe and got 186kw at the wheels (~300bhp at crank) and 275Nm. Apart from SC and wheels car is stock. No way tune and header is similar feel ! No way in hell sir!
Depends on where the power band is, if the supercharger gives more power in the upper rev range and is peaky then you can't make full use of that 300 horses (adjust for air density in the mountains) That Header and tune has shown to make more gains in the lower rev range.
In the mountains and on the twisties, you aren't always up in the upper rev ranges but you are enjoying life in the mid rev range as you have to brake and then rev it out again. The feel can be similar if this is the application.
Has it shat itself yet? They dont hang together stock so...
You’re running 300bhp, he was running 240. 40 hp isn’t really worth 5 grand
ElectricFX no other way to make that kind of power without it. And its capable of making more on higher boost. Probably only running 4-5 psi
@Lucas Van Hamburg still runs beatifully , not a single problem.
Todd was SO defensive this entire video, lmao. Constantly cutting off and talking above Paul and doing his best to justify HIS car.
well, let's be realistic do you even own a car worth more than 6,000$ which is the cost of a supercharger?
it's easy to say just get a supercharger but most people who want an FRS are probably still driving a corolla.
JP: second your comment, he started to really irritate me, to the point of me berating him out loud and adding "and get yer hair cut"!
@@potatochobit Todd spent 2,500 on his minor upgrades. For 5,000 you can easily supercharge it and he should be making way more than 200 whp. Todd wasted his money on slightly flattening the torque when he should have just put it in a supercharger.
Just like a car guy to be fair
I was about to make about to make a comment saying exactly this. Thank you.
That torque dip difference with the tune is impressive.. looks like I know what my next few mods will be lol
This was the first video I've seen you guys do, and I just wanted to say that I think you nailed it. I look forward to watching more!
Maybe do a side by side quarter mile run for comparison.
supercharger is a big price to play.
Open Flash Tablet + Header seems to be the right way to go to get it just enough.
"just enough" is never enough.
I figure this car come with just Enough from factory. I mean it's a subaru... lol
Dan McDonald your bank account says otherwise.
Terry Chao that's what I thought also ........ buuuuuuutttt
John Nguyen couldn't adding the tablet screw with the turbo it already has ????
Great review! This is exactly the sort of stuff we want to see! love you guys! One thing that is missing though... a side by side drag race!!
Wow something is WAY off with the boosted FRS. Less than 200whp with the JRSC??? Please get it re-tuned, that is pathetically less than what it should be making.
i make 242 whp 197 tq with edelbrock SC kit and stock exhaust on my BRZ
It's nauturally aspirated so I is impossible for it to reach that high of am expectation
Could also be the high altitude, boys.
He could have done a lighter tune or boost level to keep it from being too hard on the engine/tires.
turbo is the real answer a friend makes over 450whp i am looking for 350whp
I get such a kick watching you two! Awesome as always! Have you two considered doing a sponsered series? You have the brains and the personalities for it!
I am glad you didn't forget about the FRS.
Spectacular scenery, must have been an entertaining day out with those cars on those roads!
Love the FR-S vids, thanks. Watching them now brings me memories of all the watching I did just before I bought one. Now here I am about to install new header and a tune.
Glad they’ve been helpful and you’ve enjoyed them. Thanks for watching!
I don't agree with Todd's assessment. I was previously tracking an 86 (moved on to another car since). I was bitten by the mod bug. Of all the mods I did (AP Racing brakes, coilovers, exhaust, tune, supercharger, cooling, etc.), the exhaust/tune was the most disappointing. For the cost, it just wasn't enough hp. Once I moved to a supercharger, it was noticeably quicker. To me, the cost was worth it because I could actually feel a huge gain. Exhaust only...no way. Todd is too enamored by his 86, and is trying to justify his decision...which I understand. Paul is dead on right in this video. Paul, in my opinion, is the unbiased one here (since he doesn't own one of the cars) and it's obvious he could tell a huge difference. Either way, great videos guys. Really enjoy them.
ZE the high end is not where an exhaust comes in. Look at the low end stock VS exhaust. The huge drop you have stock is gone, surely that makes a huge difference in driving but just the chart doesn't show it. Yes you'll feel a supercharger way more but an exhaust is way different.
exaughst doesnt give any power, its the header
He was saying what he was saying about the SC car because that car was tuned by, apparently, a 5 year old. (Or the owner wanted a $5000+ investment into his FR-S for 35 or so HP.) Who does that? If any FI kit was boasting 35-40hp for $5000 they would never sell them. I understand not wanting to pop your engine, but Jesus H Christ 'Igor' live a little! I would happily have Todd's car and $3,500 over Igor's, as it sits.
I agree 100%.
Hope you guys liked the Vishnu tune. Shiv actually used my car for the dyno testing of the FT86SF catted header. Funny part is I also have the V1 cat back from FT86SF. Only difference I have is a Nameless combo pipe with cat and resonator which replaces the stock mid pipe and over pipe
It's always a good day when you guys post a video!
+40hp with that supercharger? That is way low. Should be getting +100.
cerberus65 that's what i was thinking. why are they getting so little ?
cerberus65 these are numbers to the wheels not to the crank.. thats how dynos work.
maybe he didn't wanted to overboost the car because he was on stock internals. that supercharger might be able to make +100, he's just not letting it for the fear of breaking the engine. also a centrifugal supercharger gives you more boost at higher rpm, it barely does anything down low. mighty car mods shown the difference between turbo and a centrifugal supercharger. i think id rather go tune and header too for money and fuel consumption reasons.
cerberus65 The "peak numbers" game is a rough one. I'd take a broad +40hp over a peaky +100hp. It's one of my biggest pet peeves when guys on UA-cam throw nineteen 100mm turbos on an RX8 and get wild about making 1200hp at 10,000rpm. Behind the scenes they should include that the compressors didn't actually spool up until 9,999rpm and that poor rotary engine melted onto the dyno platform two seconds later.
Spencer Trauntvein ah, yes. Good old usability. A 1200 hp car is worse than a 40 hp beater when you keep it parked and take the buss to work.
This car is nostalgic car that goes way from modern quickness for a certain feel and sound of the old japanses n/a tuner cars, the old integra 2.0l and prelude come to mind, not gonna beat a mustang off the line but may get em in traffic and you will enjoy daily driving much much more as the mustang clutch and heat will wear on you along with the gas fill ups.
The new exhaust sounds awesome. It'd be nice to see back to back on a track day, with equal tires.
Happy to see this back!
I love my 2013 Scion FR-S. It’s such a fun vehicle to drive!
Guys, i'm watching this again for fun, and I agree with everything you said (shocker). BUT what i'm most shocked about is that the Jackson Racing supercharger setup only pulled +/-200hp. Most of those are supposed to be closer to 250-65 or so... I"m curious to the tune he had on that thing. Wondering if it was installed and not actually retuned - so the MAF is tossing fuel at it, but it really isn't optimized.
The OFT bump is a bit low- but the elevation plays a part, I get it - but that shouldn't matter quite as much for the other car, and even if it did that still wouldn't lop off 50-60hp. Something seems fishy. I bet that white car has a lot of power hiding somewhere.
So, the 86's 2.0L makes 200hp stock. That's a hundred horses per liter meaning it's already highly strung and works very hard for those 200 ponies.. It doesn't have a lot left to offer in terms of making more horses without forced induction.
People compare the car to higher end sport cars with much more power but for a 2.0L 4 cylinder car, the engine is strong and deemed powerful.
And that is the reason the tune, headers and exhaust seems like a waste of money to a lot of you viewers. It's because after spending 2.5k u only get 7hp increase which seems like a puny amount and it is for the money. But what most of you guys don't think about is the changed driving dynamics of the car.
The throstle response, the power build up and the torque curve.
Unless you drive a stock 86 and then drive the tuned one to feel the difference your self, you'd never understand spending 2.5k for 7hp. There's a lot more to it then just 7hp.
I have a 2012 Mazda 3 with a N/A 2.0l and I've taken similar steps with the tuned 86 featured here.
I've put performance headers, a cold air intake, and a tune. Had the loudest exhaust 2 inch exhaust but got in troubles with the law so I took it off. The difference I feel is other worldly. And because my engine makes 150 horses only stock, it had considerable amount more to offer.
Now, I haven't dynoed my car but I'm asuming it is pushing 20-30 horses more.
People with just a short ram intake and a tune (without the header) have dynoed the same tune on the same car and are getting from 167~173hp.
That's like 2.5L power from a 2.0L.
Not true. The Stock header hold back around 8 to 10 hp. The cars are still tuned for economy. None of these tuns add to ton of peak hp. Not even the SC kits. With the right tune and header you can get a 30% increase in power and torque at 4000 rpm. The week point of the stock car. Running E85 and the Open flash makes the FRS run like an S2k.
so what youre saying is after you do all that, it reaches to a stock s2000
fatboy19831 I used to sell new toyotas for a living. The fa20 engine doesn't have a whole lot more to offer when it comes down to outright power without going forced induction OR forged internals with bigger pistols and cams and all of that. I don't know if you're speaking from experience, but for an engine that doesn't rev upto like 9000rpm, 200 ponies from a 2.0L is pretty strung up already. The engine in the stock form doesn't have a tone of power to give left. Like I mentioned, throttle response and torque curve can be tweaked thus improving driving dynamics but you can't just magically make it pump another 50 horse powers. Let's get real here.
These guys are dyno'ing the cars for results and comparisons. And have used exhaust, tune and headers from well known and trusted companies.
So if you're right, I guess you must be doing something magically better.
Also, cars like these are ideal fun to drive but daily/city/livable. Most people won't do an e85 conversion so let's not even go there. Yes they're good track toys and have loads of potential, but we are not on that page with this video so it's irrelevant
Jaheel, The S2k competes with the Boxster, 300ZX, and Supra. It is a wash to those cars. The RSX or the Prelude are more in line with the BRZ/86. A BRZ running these mods and E85 is FASTER than a stock s2k in anything other than a balls out screaming drag race. The s2k is a dedicated 2 seat sports car that FAILED in the market place. Bring it back and it will fail agin.
I highly doubt it will fail again after this new NSX
still one of the best car shows to subscribe to. Good info, solid camera angles, without the(admittedly fun) corny factor of motor trend.
Super agree on tires. I’m running 245 super sports all around on 17”. Amazing. I’m also really enjoy my cat less header with exhaust and the tune. It is much more alive. I love the way the car is now. Supercharged, so much money.
1: I can't wait to discuss this with you.
2: maybe it's because I drank the Kool-aid 4yrs ago when I bought mine, and it's just the subject matter, but this is one of the best non-feature length videos you've made.
One of the best car channels on UA-cam. Keep it up!
Great review guys!
I've been waiting on this vid!
Thanks for sharing.
I am definitely going to focus on aesthetics, tires, brakes, wheels and suspension for mine. It seems like the supercharger is not worth it.
Now you have to drive a turbo one!
This car should have 250 plus HP
remember they're measuring at the wheel. It seems the supercharged car is on a conservative tune and pulley. The stock header could also be part of it.
I'd wager this is simply Jackson Racing's CARB-legal stock tune, so yes, the power may be down a bit more than strictly necessary.
+Brian “sheady” Shea yep, stock header is where there missing it. Can't take in more air than you can put out.
Altitude as well. they dyno up in 4000 ft. LOL
I'm guessing the ignition timing was retarded by the computer to avoid knock because the car is supercharger at altitude without higher octane gas. That's why the power sucks for the supercharger and not as much for the NA FRS.
"Close to the cliff.. Sure. Dangerous..? Possibly. Off the cliff .. Not as good!" haha well put!
Love a good 'mod' video on a car I give a crap about!! Keep em' up guys👍🏼
I have a 2013 fr-s open flash unequal length headers all exhaust changed over no cats. So basically straight piped with magnaflow muffler. Also added injen intake , pulley kit to lighten up initial mass and Open flash tablet tuned. These made a huge difference to the car. My sister has a stock brz with just a cat back exhaust and no where near the power. I have never wanted or thought it needed a super charger. I have changed tires (as big as will fit with stock wheels) and this set up pushes those to the edge. I love the set up and wouldn't change it. The tune completely gets rid of torque dip and raises redline 500rpm. The car builds power from 3,000 rpm and doesn't drop till redline. When toyota was asked about why they never forced inducted this car their response was the platform was not built for that much power. They claim they would have to start over from scratch. They did and its called a supra. This car is about light, decent power, close gearing and extreme handling at an amazing price. If you have never driven one up a canyon to enjoyed the cornering and ease of drifting you wont understand this car. If you want to race stop lights go ahead get a hell cat and have fun but don't confuse the two cars.
2:18 "From push lawnmower to riding lawnmower..." Actually laughed out loud
A K24 in an FRS/BRZ/86 would be legend.
Awesome engine + awesome chassis = Legend.
Im thinking of just saving money to do that instead buying headers and shit for the fa20
I have a '16 BRZ Hyper.Blue with a HKS V3 Supercharger coupled with a Greddy cat-back exhaust. Absolutely love it.
Fantastic video guys!
OK, I'm the guy who asked about fuel mileage when you installed the catted UEL header. I also asked if the catback, overpipe, etc. were needed to produce power or just for the "extra noise". I haven't done the UEL yet, but when I saw this I had to purchase an OFT and try the stage one tune. I just installed it today. The OBDII connector can fool you into believing that it is connected when it really isn't but once fully inserted the install went exactly as in the instruction videos. After letting it idle a minute I took my BRZ on a lap of my "local nordschleife" just to put a few miles on the ECU. I was planning a leisurely drive but almost as soon as I got on an open road a Civic appeared behind me, chomping on my rear. Why is it that EVERY Civic driver has to try to race FT-86's? Is it because they've been told that even a Chrysler minivan can beat the woefully under powered FT-86? I had to floor it. As I've read in numerous reports, the stage one tune causes nothing spectacular to happen at low rpm. Acceleration under 3000 rpm is still underwhelming, the torque dip still is there, but, oh, it's shallower and ends sooner and the torque stays instead of trailing off. The FA-20 was noticeably louder, raspier, and it had more Oomph from 3600 rpm up to redline. The Civic couldn't keep up. When I got home I pulled the 12v plug from the glove box and plugged the sound port in the foot well to keep the dB's in check. Yes, it's still a BRZ and even when the UEL arrives it will still just be a BRZ, but it will be closer to its potential.
I'm curious what you guys would think about the GT86 with a twin screw supercharger like the Edelbrock. A ton more torque down low and i believe it makes more power than the JSRC. Also a lot depends on the tune.
just picked up my new 2017 86 G.T.S love it
You guys are literally answering the exact question I was asking. one thing though, you guys should really try one of the newer positive displacement blowers like the Edelbrock.
Great comparison 👍 Besides the supercharger you also need to upgrade the suspension, brakes, and tires to control all that power on the ground. It's a big investment unless you track the car every week 😶 I think
As you add HP the next few will always get exponentially more expensive :-)
BRZ on the P tuning turbo kit and all the goodies Running on E 85 Making 387 hp 316 torque at the rear wheels I love this thing
Nice video. Happy you've got a new logo since this.
Why isn't there a discussion about final drive it's the most underrated and often forgotten mod do a test at 4.55 or 4.81 final drive.
I currently have a stock frs and am very pleased with it. I have considered putting a new exhaust on it but can't make up my mind. I like that the car is not loud and obnoxious. Whatever exhaust I choose I want it to stay remotely close to that. Meaning, when I pull into work, I don't want to seem like an ass hole with a loud car, but I do want some performance increase. That being said, I direct these questions to Todd. Was it worth the money for the exhaust, header and tune? Are you satisfied with the results? Should I look for less expensive alternative exhaust parts or would you recommend your setup for me based on my feelings above? Also keep in mind that I came from a 2000 Toyota echo to this about a year ago and don't plan on doing much to this car. If you decide to respond one way or another, thank you very much.
I Love watching your videos. They are very well done. Since you guys are also older dudes for some reason I value your opinions a lot more then other peoples. Also your videos seem more professionalized. Anyway, I have an FRS (Hot Lava Baby) with a Vortech supercharger on an off the shelf tune, hasn't been on a dyno yet, but it feels hella quick like 240 or 250 WHP hella quick. I still Love my 86 for the twisties and corners, but man it needed the power boost. Sometimes I do think about the money I spent and am like damnnnnnn, mainly because of issues involving poorly made tunes, but I can never go back to stock. NEVER I SAY!
Great episode!
Side note: Although I happen to think that your current logo looks cool, I simply don't think that it imbues the same level of professionalism and maturity as your show.
Seems like the real answer is to do both!
i really wanna see a brz sti like this with a turbo or super charger on it
Interesting comparison....and a rational upgrade...step one, step two and of course step three....the pricing is logical along with the power upgrades....thanks for your fine reviews
Great breakdown of the cost!
2:18 - With an exhaust and a tune, there's hardly any torque dip left!!!
I got a stage 2 tune on it with others headers
Have now 240 hp and 253nm
Without the tune i only got 192 hp
Good video and comparison - nice to see as I have a monogram edition too :) Couple corrections on the Monogram however:
1) The headlights are stock, they came with LEDs as DRL and HIDs as low/high beam for the Monogram and all special edition FR-S series
2) This one did not have a stock exhaust, it has the US Spec TRD Catback Exhaust
Well done video for the real world of budget minded gear heads. My situation: I wanted the Focus ST, but my budget got me the Focus SE with manual transmission. I added intake, exhaust, and tune, and got 168WHP. The car is fun enough, and I feel the mods were worth it. Now turbo kits are available for the na mk3 focus, but I don't know if the money is worth the gain. Thank you for this video.
you guys should try E85
that should be your next mod
We've heard a lot of great discussion about E85 and know that it brings even greater gains. However, the biggest factor there is the availability of E85 depending upon where you live. For us, in Utah, there's 1 station that offers E85, and it's more than 50 miles away. In cases like that E85 just isn't a viable option. We aren't going to be stockpiling or driving that far out of the way. If it was more common, we'd do that next.
Meth/water injection?
Flex Fuel Kits are the answer to that issue. lets you run E85 where available, and standard pump fuel the rest of the time. The ECU then re-calibrates the mapping on the fly based on the realtime Ethanol content, so you don't need to drain the tank and switch maps manually each time you change.
Where do they sell those?
+EverydayDriver Was the dyno performed at altitude? What type of fuel was used? I'm no tuner, but I'm pretty sure a car needs higher octane at higher altitude, especially with forced induction applications. And I am curious if the car was avoiding knock by retarding the timing resulting in less power. The base kit makes like 260+ whp and around 200 tq, not 200 whp and 175 tq. Something isn't right with your comparison.
Also, that might be the stock pulley on a relatively basic tune like the CARB tune. I'm sure if it was on Delicious Tuning's tune there would be more power, and add E85 and most have around 300-320whp.
Actually, at higher altitudes cars need less octane. That said, if you want to go through getting it properly tuned, you can make good use of the octane anywhere, high altitude or low. But the basic physics of it is still that octane requirements go down with altitude.
Okay, well they sealed the deal and convinced me to go through with getting a vortech supercharger for my frs :)
Car sounds great Todd
6 seconds into the video and you can hear the crike noise.... I love my 86 !!
Your car feels "flatter" than a lowered car? I suppose his spring/shock or coilover setup is pretty poor!
A supercharger has doubled they gains you've made with bolt-ons but still your're not impressed. I suppose its hp per $$, that you mean. Ya, you said as much.
If it were mine, I put a turbo kit on that car. It would cost less and make much more power. The sacrifice would be linearity.
All that said, I'm glad you acknowledge modding is something useful and a way of making your car "yours". This as opposed to what @everyday driver usually says, buy a better car instead of modding.
Damn! I used to own one of those, mine was blue with the six speed and loved it! Now i wish i have it again!✌🥰👍
Thumb's up for a thorough and balanced review, guys. I learn a lot from your channel.
Supercharger worth that much? No.
Turbocharger worth that much? Yes.
My turbo kit was less than the kit in that white FRS and I make almost double the power to the wheels...
MrChurch what did you get and for how much?
SBD turbo kit, $3k
MrChurch what were your gains?
+185whp / +119wtq
MrChurch I am pretty sure you had to get a better clutch, and a tune. Did you use an Open Flash Tablet?
30whp for 5-6k? Yikes
The gains are worth the cost!!
I've got a similar setup. Borla UEL header, Perrin cat-back and the Open Flash tune. I definitely feel it's now at the level it should have been all along. That being said, if I had the funds I'd get a supercharger lol
Supercharger preserved NA behaviour and feel and is much better way to go than a turbo.
I'm surprised how slow the supercharged-FRS appeared in the video.
Never be shocked at how SLOW the FRS is. They arent fast, but nimble and they look good.
@@chadboutchyard2339 yeah exactly. After market mods and knowing what you are doing can make them pretty beastly. Not too hard to get to 400 hp as well
@@proveyourcrown true, but as glorious as that would be, most people don't want to invest in aftermarket pistons and rods and take their engine apart. At least not until the warranty expires!
@@nthgth I don’t blame that whole scene is a pain in the ass
holy shit that tune improvement
Nice to see Randy Couture back!
Whats wrong with that SC? 199whp with a supercharger? Should be like 240 at the wheel... or more.
Stop wasting your time with Shiv and OpenFlash. Get an ECUTek cable and find a better tuner, like Mike at Moto East.
we're talking price how much is it? openflash tablet is 500 how much is ECUTek cable and having someone do tuning for the car?
@@undrgrnd734 Almost double the price, but imho the gains from the open flash tablet are not worth $500. Its pointless.
@@bigyoshi5716 OFT makes similar gains to ECUtek NA. Casual folks to this chassis seem unaware that you can customize the tune just like ECUtek. ECUtek shines with FI on the other hand. For NA multiple dynos have shown little to no difference once either are dialed in.
For 5k-6k you can get a turbo kit that wil give you 270-300hp on the wheels. Go check the options on the cars. There is a lot of good aftermarket kits for the cars.
If i dropped 5-6k into my Fiesta ST it'd be making 300hp, new wheels and tires, and brake upgrades. That's a lot of money for a supercharger!
Should have gone with a twin-screw.
it needs the 3.0L H6 from the Legacy
Super useful. Thanks
Feels good knowing the FA24 stock engine produces over 200whp and well over 170 wtq on the 2022 twins (also the power is available earlier) All for costing less than the first gen way to listen to the buyers
Why you always hating on the tires? That's one of the best parts of the car, the predictable loss of grip at non dangerous speeds makes this one of the most fun cars around.
i just switched to the stock high performance all seasons for the winter, its so much more fun sliding and corners i used to take hard i can't take as hard but i do love the tail coming out :)
yea it's fun when you are driving around and want to make l33t skids. Not so fun when you understeer into a guard rail
Undr Grnd just don’t suck as driving
Is the supercharged car dyno tuned as well?
Danny .Lopez you have to tune a car after a modification like that
From what I've seen there are OTS tunes from the companies that sell the SC for the car, so it is tuned but not a custom tune for max benefit.
Kobi Jenkins I realize cars should be tuned but it doesn't mean they always are. People have been turbocharging/supercharging cars without real dyno tuning for years...doesn't mean it's optimal but they do it.
Drake zv Yeah I figured it might have an OTS tune, but probably not a custom dyno tune. Probably why it's performing so poorly at that altitude. Most OTS tunes are optimized for sea level, not 8k feet in altitude.
Yeah i looked at the JRSC official numbers on their website for their frs/brz kit and it says 282whp and 216wtq with their 91 octane CA CARB legal tune with stock header and exhaust. that's almost 100 HP over stock and 66wtq over stock. I'm sure with full exhaust and a custom tune you could 300+whp and around 250wtq which is VERY significant over stock, nearly double the power on CA's shitty 91. With E85 350whp and 300wtq are probable and pretty solid numbers for a SC car. It's just once you get to those levels you would need to replace a lot of other things such as axles and clutch.
Nice review by Rex Ryan
I got an extra 60hp at the wheels from my tune and full exhaust/header kit. Done by a team that prioritizes safe reliable power and custom tuning. The torque curve is almost flat from 2.5-7k and it actually peaks around 6500 at 300NM
Feels like its got an extra 2 cylinders under the hood now.
how reliable are the superchargers I wonder.
The FA20 it takes it really well on stock internals, as long as you don't run too much boost.
krbcrwlr more reliable than a turbo.
how much is too much?
I think you're safe at like 6 or 7 psi
Depends on brand, but the Jackson Racing setup is OEM level reliable from everything I've seen.
Too expensive for the real gains. This car should be turbocharged from factory. Great review! I've had this doubt for a while regarding the GT86.
As a GTI is another similar priced car with 200HP (yes I know FWD vs RWD), $2500 gets you +70HP and +100lb-ft, maybe with $ left over.
Your FRS looks great Todd!
Here's a thought, want more power pay more go to Porsche. People want a base 300 horsepower car. Well it won't be $28,000.00 , it will be about 50 thousand.
Unless you go for an Ecoboost Mustang, V-6 Camaro, or 370Z. No need to pay the "it's a Porsche" tax
I daily a supercharged frs at 310whp. And im all in at 20k with the car and everything so what u talking about
@@advancedfirearmtraining882 missed the point entirely.
That does not look like January out there.
It's not; this was filmed in the fall (as if the trees didn't make that obvious XD). This road is probably closed now.
We shot this in October ;)
Hi Chance! What were your thoughts on the supercharged car as a GT86 owner?
Considering it was otherwise stock I liked it. It wasn't as fast as I expected but I know the Jackson Supercharger has a ton of potential. I have some friends that track their cars that make 350whp on E85 with that supercharger and they are having to detune the cars to stay in class. I would love to do t to my BRZ but for the money I can get a lot more out of my old Mustang.
Do you think a positive displacement, higher-torque supercharger like the Edlebrock E-force kit would have been better?
Pro tip, don't drive off the cliff :). I'm surprised how different cars respond to headers and a tune; my C5 Z06 picked up 35 RWHP and 30 lb ft of Torque to the wheels with a set of long tube headers and a pro tune. I'm glad that your torque curve has made the car more usable where you need it!
So funny listening to your contradictory comparisons of the supercharger as they were happening in the video