The Revolution Tier List For Every Single Revolt In AOE3DE
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2024
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00:00 - Introduction
02:42 - United States
07:55 - South Africa
11:58 - Indonesia
14:17 - Canada
15:23 - Brazil
18:35 - Finland
23:00 - Peru
24:49 - Romania
26:02 - Egypt
28:09 - Chile
29:04 - Colombia
30:37 - Hungary
32:27 - Argentina
33:03 - Mexico
34:19 - Haiti and The Barbary States
35:22 - Conclusion - Ігри
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Instructions unclear, thought this was a tier list of IRL revolutions.
Need to wait for 2020 to finish so we can include the next US revolution
@@AussieDrongo _quietly_ "Don't."
@@AussieDrongo Mmmhm. Tasty US revolution.
IRL top tier is South Africa. Loses war to Britain, annexes British colonies. Becomes more liberal the more pro-imperialist it becomes. But sadly turns to the Dark Side in the sequels.
@@AussieDrongo "no no, he got a point."
>apologises for a decentpronunciation of Voluntario da Patria
>butchers the standard English words "manor" and "papal"
Important detail to note for Brazilian Revolt. Voluntario de Patria are weak because they have an inherent -50% penalty to HP and Damage. This means that while their initial HP is 100, their base HP is actually 200, which in turns means that all HP and Attack cards provide twice the value that one would expect. It's not a bug, it's a feature. This means that advanced arsenal upgrades are a must-have.
ottoman hungary gets Magyar Hussars instead of grenadiers every outpost. Magyar Hussars are guard hussars with double HP
I guess they carried over their status as a pretty solid unit over from 2, eh?
@@Weldedhodag could have a bit higher attack but they're not bad ;)
@@ropi6642 that bonus against siege is good enough for me
@@Weldedhodag Magyar Hussars fucking blow most other heavy cav out of the water as a late-game cleanup option. Good damage, excellent health for tackling large numbers of artillery (Chinese hand mortars, Ottoman Abus Guns, and fucking anybody using Lil Bombard mercs come to mind), better matchup against light cav and shock infantry than Life Guards or Czapkas. Unfortunately, only the United States can train them in Age IV without revolting, plus they make any investment into training or improving baseline hussars out of your stables a sunk cost. Additionally, training those souped-up Hussars only come out of forts, and only by investing massive amounts of food and wood (for the initial shipment of 9 dudes).
The Canadian revolution seems to be clearly designed as a Counter-Revolution Revolution, so it could become popular if aggressive revolutions are viable. Fully upgraded CDBs (Great coat, Pioneers, Wilderness Warfare, Northwest Passage, Blunderbuss) become the perfect counter to a horde of revolutionaries - 574 hp with 40% rr (800 effective ranged hp), 5.4 speed, 24 attack with 16 range and a double modifier against artillery. Additionally you get grizzlies instead of cav, so revolutionaries don't get their bonus there. So I don't think it's a fair characterisation to say this revolution causes you to sack your economy for no benefit - since A) your upgraded settlers still gather, and B) they're very effective against revolutionaries and heavy artillery.
Honestly the only issue with using Courier De Bois as an anti-infantry infantry is they don't have auto attack and will just stand there while getting shot until you order them to fire back. At least that was my experience messing around with courier rush in AoE3 against the AI. So unless DE added auto-attack to the Couriers it would be very difficult to keep them all attacking at once.
Hey so I tested the revolt and had the CDBs at 396 HP with 28 attack. I sent the cards and upgrades you mentioned. How did you get over 500?
@@dennisbergkamp1553 my maths must have been at fault - I wasn't able to test in-game when I was running the figures. 28 attack is nice though!
@@dennisbergkamp1553 get a nootka village and their upgrade to villager hp
You forgot to mention South Africa's 100k coin mine wagon card
The Kimberly diamond mines :D
I LOVE how AOE3 fits in the small details to match history
@@graemes8187 Shine bright like DIAMONDS
glad that we still have people from south africa that play aoe3
@@JohnDoe-rb4pq I'm Australian but that's alright :D
@@graemes8187 don't know how you know about Kimberly literally the smallest town in South africa xD
"We'll be ranking Revolutions today"
2020 keeps on giving.
i hope your channel gets big, thanks for the vid!
About Haiti, you said they have a focus on melee infantry, but their free-training 1-pop Pirates can be sent a card that gives them a 20-range attack with Skirmisher-style multipliers while preserving their massive anti-cavalry multipliers in melee. Also, you mentioned earlier that French Revolutions need to compensate the fact that they have fewer Settlers than other Revolutions, and the Haitian Revolution gives their Revolutionaries +25% health over normal Revolutionaries with basically no downside. Now, I don't have much experience playing as Haiti so far but are those benefits not worthwhile?
I wish people would use this mechanic more. It's really interesting seeing play styles completely change mid game. I'm glad they revamped the system to make it at least a little bit more appealing.
Awesome content as usual. Very educational. I can already see myself coming back to consult this video in the future.
Damn man does anyone put in as much work as you? 🤣 Tier 1 videos daily this is amazing. If you need a day off we will understand!
I think you overlooked the hungarians a bit by not mentioning the fact that the magyar grenadier and hussar get a +6 range and +100% hp respectively, which for russians is not great, but for ottomans is however way better than it may seem, because they BOTH have the royal guard and they can make use of upgrades even better, considering u can get a 20 range grenadier is very insane to me. I may overestimate its value, but I would put it in tier 2, because it can grant them a decent scaling, while having a free all-in. For germans, I am however more skeptical, due to the fact the age 5 can grant mercenaries + 50% damage and hp, at a bigger cost, sure, but they cant use the hussar so well, since the magyar hussar does NOT grant the veteran and guard upgrade, and their grenadier is lackluster, but they aren't as bad as I first imagined it due to your explainations. Would like to see your take on this. Great video as always, keep up the good work !
Edit: I'm not 100% sure about the veteran and guard hussar upgrade not being available to germans and russians, but both the grenadier and the hussar are available for the ottomans,that's for sure.
Yeah Hungary revolution is pretty damn strong for Ottomans. It's not Chile of old, but it's pretty close and only because the free Hussars are attached to the towers. Still 100%+ HP is excellent. On Hand cavalry, HP is what you want. The grenades are okish, it takes longer to get them up to optimal levels but with rifles + aging up with the free upgrade, it can be extremely good.
thats nice to know
Given that he said peru's revolutionaries getting grenades might be almost op, 20 range guard grenadiers should indeed be worth at least a mention.
Hey Loris, I'm going to take a look into this, as it's definitely something I must have missed. Assuming everything you're saying is on point, it almost sounds so strong it'll need it's own video and an amendment to this one. Thank you so much for pointing this out.
Edit: I just tested this - this is 100% a tier 1. 20 range Grens with grenade launcher lmfao. The +6 range wasn't something on the tooltip so I evidently skipped over it and didn't realise it provided this bonus, this will indeed warrant a video, as these have some crazy synergy with revolutionaries aswell considering they have x.30 multiplier against cavalry.
I believe all factions get all the unit bonuses for hungarians, but only one for free, the rest with cards, and only the free one provides age 4+ unit upgrades, if any? Which the Ottomans both have.
Great work here, really useful info. These new revolts are really game changing.
Dutch gang 😎
hallo mijn beste heer.
@@just1it1moko ewa drerrie
Nederland Oost Indische gang 😎🇮🇩
I was waiting for this video. You do a great work making Age of Empires 3 DE content
Loved the video, also really enjoying your content. Don't know if it changed with the recent patch or it was a bug, but I was able to revolt into Finland and when I got the card that allowed you to gather coin and food, I was able to gather from estates, although I wasn't able to gather from mills. Once again really enjoying your videos sir.
Nice video, thanks for going through all the options.
Yours are perfect videos : practical and detailed information, quite objective but still including your personal tips or opinion, both accessible to newcomers and AoE old school fans... Thanks a lot, keep up the good work !
Greetings from Belgium ;)
PS : would love to see content on Native tribes and deckbuilding to open the way to each revolution
This video was recommended to me (I think) because I have been watching a bunch of AoE2 DE stuff. However, when it showed up in my feed, I had just watched a video on the Bolshevik revolution so for a few minutes I thought that you were legitimately making a tier list of actual, historical revolutions.
Voluntários da pátria almost nailed it haha love ur content bro
Voluntaríos da pa-TRÍ-a. Yes, almost :)
Since I started watching you on your first upload I feel like I understand the game so much better. I always look forward to trying out the strategies you recommend!
What a smart disclaimer in the beginning
So far, I 100% agree with you on the Finland revolution. It has a few different applications; evasion, eco, fending off an overwhelming force. Nice vid!
Good content! Thorough and thoughtful!
Nice video mate! Thanks for taking the time to explaining the so many different revolt options. I have some feedback for you in case you find it helpful for future videos.
1. The tier table was quite small and you had a lot of empty space on both sides of it. I think it would have improved the quality of the video substantially if you would have used the empty space on the sides to show a description of the revolt you are talking about at the time (straight from the patch notes even) and on edge other side perhaps a bullet point summary of the points you talk about each of them or a quick glimpse at the unit stats that you mention or cards.
2. Most of the revolt options felt well explained but there were some that felt a bit rushed. Of course, I totally understand that after 35min of talking about revolt options and only some bad ones left you just want to conclude the video. Not criticising, just bringing it up.
Keep up the great work!
As South Africa you can also forgo getting factories in your main deck and wait until you go revolution and still get those 3 factories if I remember it right.
thank you for this video
I rate the Swedish/US revolution quite high just for the fun of having your forts double the exp income when you fight next to them.
I really never thought about manors for the brithains. good tip
I have a few comments
1. a lot of the extra units get the wild west upgrade. that can change the numbers a bit
2. ottomans and
russians get different bonus for hungry. +320hp hussars and range 20 granaders seem quite good.
3. those granaders on horses form argentina are range cav with 50% range block and 300 hp(with wild west) felt quite tanky. but I really cant find a way to mass them up since I lose all my economy.
4. haiti pirates can get skirmisher range attack. Also, when they do get that card they also get affected by the gunpowder unit upgrades from the arsenal. 245hp 20 range attack skrimishers that are good against cav seems reasonable. but again, I cant mass them...
5. I tried to hunt villagers with the barbaries. it was decent but really no follow up
Yeeeesss finally! Nice video
Recording the screen cap as just the window and not having the window maximized would reduce the unused screen space in the youtube. This would be nice for seeing the their list when watching on a phone... Other than that nicely done again and thank you :)
I see myself in the future revolting as Egypt often as I always wanted Trainable Mameluks or Indonesia for their elephants shipments.
Peruvian revolution also adds Simon Bolivar, who increases HP in area and has a couple of special attacks with rifle and saber
also, can't you have up to 6 TC as portugal rather than 4?
Technically 8, theres a +2 shipment in fortress and +2 covered wagon in industrial, but those are normally not shipments one would naturally take.
@@AussieDrongo fair, althought 8 TC, with the fact they get 9(not 10) voluntarios, if you intend for going with brazil revolution ,that means you getting 72 voluntarios per TC every 2 minutes, and thats a big fucking number
@@AussieDrongo So you would include double towncenter shipments if you plan for revolution? As far as I understood, your plan would be a rush for it, and then spam the enemy down with endless waves of cannon fodder? granted, the age 4 shipment would delay the actual revolution.
Edit: I would assume a planned revolution would use quite a different card deck (depending on usual preferences), as their revolutionaries also get double the effect from infantry upgrade cards.
@@AussieDrongo So rushing this does work after some testing, don't expect to get any cards trough aside from the bare necessities. Volenteers don't benifit from portugals' cards, so it could be okay
@@UnDeaDCyBorg you don't have to wait for the 2 tc covered wagon card in age 4 to revolt, you can just send the infinite one after revolting
Never thought that I see Finland as a revolution option in AoE 3
Would be awesome if you did some strategy videos with revolutions, I think its a good concept but its hard to justify when you miss out on imperial upgrades
Great list! I'll be sure to check out these features... against the AI
Oh, Canada. I had hoped that you would do better than that since you got to keep your settlers. i didn't realize that that wasn't unique :(
They do get Honcho the Grizzly for the memes.
Yeah, Canada is really disappointing. 3000 resources for some 'okish' cards and settler increase attack and no imperial is straight up bad.
Gonna get the bear cards! xD
I think they might actually be quite strong revolting from France, since cdb are very tanky and already have a higher attack
I tried going Brazil as Portuguese in a skirmish game to try them out, and while I was able to rebuild my eco pretty easily with all the TCs the Voluntarios are really, really weak. Having a massive number of them at the start doesn't seem much better than having fewer but higher quality troops since the large crowd is harder to position and manuever, and the free production of them takes up large chunks of pop space that I think would be better filled with Legionarios, especially once you get your eco back.
there's a place in the game where i can read about the stats or what each revolution do or i have to learn this going age4 and reading there?
Just curious- what's your deck build that you prefer when playing the Swedish? Also, when you play them, do you plan around the revolt, or do you keep it as an option?
Hey, what do you think about the Inca Military lategame? Iam not sure whats the best option in this situation....
Vamos que se puede!
Super helpfulll!
Isn't it strange that France has no decent Revolution option when irl they rolled over five coalitions between 1792 and 1810 ?
They have to add French Republic with her tricolour!
France revolts into France.
@@xMYx507 Isn't it logical?
its kind of shame I will have to wait quite a while until I upgrade before play AOE3DE HOWEVER I do want try see the new strength of Revolution´s now the its a viable patch of combat ( without removing the economic side now that all revolt have a settler enable card) I wish people could use more.
Glad you give the brazillian revolution the love it deserve, I hope to use then now with the settler enable card avaiable. And yes filand is sure the superior one on DE
thanks for the video sir, again I wish people could consider more revolutions on their games.
Voluntários da Pátria is a famous street name here in Rio de Janeiro/Brasil, where i live, its something in the lines of Homeland Volunteers. You said it quite well!
I think every city here in Brazil have a voluntários da pátria street XD
I tried Sweden -> Finland in a 40 min treaty and that was a mistake. While you can revive your eco somewhat using Karelian Jaegers, I don’t think it’s worth it for a late game push.
All your units are guard level and get beat easily, like I could barely fend off an imperial Inca. And i think that Sweden to Finland strat should be a “final push” type deal. If the enemy gets any imperial unit then you’re kinda screwed.
But then again I did try this in treaty so that’s probably why it wasn’t a good idea. I think in classic it would be much better.
Could you do a vid on how you can create a deck for revolting for all the tier ones you mentioned? I’m definitely wanting to try these in a non treaty game
Just a suggestion. It would be nice if there was relevant footage of the discussed faction in the background.
You are missing the Incan revolution in that list. If planned for, even if it fails, you will have done so much damage(drop a bunch of macemen cards and the plaza big button if you see where I'm going) to your enemy that you should have time to recover swiftly and still be allowed to age up to age V. Also, any revolutionary on the plaza will remain working it, making 99 vill pop available to take advantage of the 225% gather bonus.
Brazil is the best Revolt for Dutch and probably the best in the game, barring South Africa for the 30+ woodrunners and extra fac.
With the Dutch Brazilian revolt, you max your vills/banks, rush age 4, keep shipments to a minimal to save them up for when you revolt. Keep a saloon and a foundry, facs as well.
You can revolt before 16 minutes and have saved 2-6 ships depending on the fighting intensity.
What makes the Dutch Brazil revolt so strong is the auto spawning 9 stack of patrias can be supported by cannons and mercenaries from the saloon. Either heavy cannons or horse guns/falcs.
Once you hit 15+ TCs which is easy to reach if you saved shipments, you get a constant flow of men who can provide nonstop pressure to an enemy’s front.
The real fighting power comes from the cannons (possibly mercs too) which the Dutch can uniquely spam due to having banks producing gold and a fac on gold/wood.
This only snowballs and can reach ridiculous levels of constantly being at 200+/200 men. Your opponent is forced to put everything into defense and you essentially lock their economy down producing troops while you gain xp from fighting which means more tcs which means a slow but unstoppable flow of more and more men.
Supporting those brave but numerous and poorly equipped men with cannons or heavy hitting mercs such as Jaegers (if you’re lucky enough to get a map with jaegers) you’re unstoppable.
It is possible to defeat an age 5 civ with this strategy.
I have defeated age 5 jap ashi/yumi/arrow spam with this setup. And age 5 otto abus/Jan/huss.
If you catch your opponent in age4 and keep them in age 4, you cannot be defeated.
Aussie, thanks again for your video. Can you do a video on raiding please? I don't know if it's my hotkeys or my timings, but i cannot raid well. One video would help a lot.
Thank you :)
Definitely! Great idea, that sounds like a wonderful video.
@@AussieDrongo You are the best :) Eager to see the raiding video soon.
Could you make a video comparing these bonuses to the opportunity cost of losing access to imperial upgrades?
i am pretty sure you dont need the politician to get guard pikemen as the swedes, pikemen are one of their royal guard units and cen become imperial, they also change name, but i forgot the name
That's Spain not Sweeden lol
Good video
for the finland one i was able to get the lot on to the mills and estates though using hunting and other stuff it does not work so it is doable.
the pirate ones are more for naval play then land play due to there cards providing ships.
Can someone tell me how to have 3 factories using SouthAfrica revolt?
I'm pretty sure swedes actually do have the guard/imperial pikemen intrinsically cuz they have the unique pike upgrade. Don't know what its called though
I'm gonna have to try Sweden into Finland and Germany into Hungary. Is it viable to do revolutions in 1v1? I always get my ass kicked if I don't take the enemy out in age 2 or 3 lol.
I rarely do a revolution because I only play Treaty. Is it possible (and I mean with possible, would it be a good idea) to do a revolution in a treat game?
Yes south Africa is a great treaty revolution especially in nr 60
Can you make a unit tier list both overall but also within each categori. That would be awsome 😃
The British American Revolution is absolutely nuts if you use it right. The minutemen card with the age 1 British muster card that allows a second muster of militamen allows the Americans to produce a ridiculous amount of minutemen within a matter of seconds. Additionally with the advanced arsenal card, the musketeer upgrades, and the red line infatry upgrade from the church advancements makes the American Infantry and Production level a little nuts
Swedish can't get their pikemen to guard status without a specific politician? What about Dalkarl upgrade? Would you say british redcoat musketeers also aren't guard status?
So is going South Africa as the dutch just better then going Imperial for the dutch?
How about the polish revolution? Which civ makes it ?
Canadian revolution is good if you use the churches experience shipment and you fast industrial then immediately revolt can actually lead to a massive eco boom because of there villager card and there very cheap highlander. But the trick is you got to do it quick. No revolting 30min in kind of stuff.
15:38 you actually pronounced 'voluntario da pátria' right
A bit off topic m8. But as a South African I was wondering if you could tell me what you think "Rockspider" means for an aussie
Heyyy buddy please also make a tier list for the normal Civs because i want to know what is the best civ to choice for Multiplayer and so on
Very interesting! Just wondering, what's the problem with cav archers? Why am i not getting that?
High rate of fire and high health but very hard to micro considering their setup time so they often get caught by the enemy.
@@AussieDrongo Very well explained. I use play aoe3 long time ago, and I always thought that ca were better than dragoons (because of the high rate of fire and high health). But back then I didn't know much about microing, then your statement makes total sense
woulkdnt dutch as americans rank higher then 5? they auto generate the currency for the new settlers. which for them was alryd a focus the gold tog et mroe settlers
Guide's per country! What deck - build order, strenghts/weaknesses of that specific country. I would love Germany/Great Britain
When he doesn't even mention halberdiers at 22:36, you know the place of halbs in the meta
A few viewers aren't getting it haha
Noice tier list
This video would have been much more helpful if it had the cards displayed while you talk about it.
I understand the power of the REV civs comes from the intial age up, but the cards is what keeps them alive.
Just a thought that have the cards displayed for each CIV would be much easier to understand.
Thx!
I'm just happy that Canada was included at all.
I think that a Dutch revolution is insane because you still get coin income from banks if you have them.
Banks also get a 10% gather increase with south africa. I think you can rebuild them too? Haven't actually checked that.
@@addisonmetzger5615 yes you can because south Africa keeps settlers
Another Excelent video. I feel a lot of the revolutions suffer from the fact that their nation has acces to better revolutions. the Dutch and Portugese are the notable exceptions, most others have such an easy choice ahead of them that its not even worth considering them.
I mean which dutch player is ever going USA? German Argentina?
The Dutch Banks are useful for any revolution
@@pwao sure, but why would you, why pick USA, just because being dutch is good, you can pick south indonesia and just be better
@@diekssus7194 Just for fun, as always, maybe to try to make it work.
Its weird to think that you can't revolt with Indian even tho irl they had one of the biggest battle in the world in the revolution of 1852 against the Britain, btw yes it is in the campaign represented...
which one is best for ottoman revolution ???????????????????????????
Mate, where the bloody hell is the Aussie revolution? Ned Kelly warriors and kangaroo herds!
Tell me about it!
Boomerang throwers?
@@pwao and Tasmanian genocide
I was exploring a bit the info that you gave us and I find something that you didnt realice. When you do the Peru revolution (at least for Spain) you have access to a card called cidadany (sorry if it has other name, im Spanish and sometimes is a bit difficult to translate the names) that not only give you 6 citiciens, that are the same as settlers, it also allows you to creat citiciens in your town center. With this I thing that Peru revolution deserves a higher rank, because not ony give you an strong unit with overpower range, it also allows you to reconstruct your economy once you send this card.
Edit.: forgot to mention, it also give you another explorer with whom you can create revolutionaries
Hey hansterman, if you check out most civilisations, they'll get this option. Only a few don't, such as the South African's, the Canadian's and the Finnish.
@@AussieDrongo I didnt know about that thx. And between Chile and Peru for Spain what do you think is more viable if you choose revolution to try to overwelm the enemy but do you know you are going to maintain the presure if you want to win? I have been in a bunch of matches when the 2 teams are even in age 4 and non of them is able to break a hole in the enemy defenses and a revolution can help a lot here, but normally isnt a viable option because you become weaker after the first blow.
hell yes
I feel like Spanish Argentina rev with the cav grenades would move them up the list?
Argentina is quite broken actually. The cav upgrades + cav training upgrades allows for instant granaderos. They are quite powerful. He later did another video showcasing this
Man, you crank out that content. Do you ever sleep?
What is the purpose of Trek Wagons in South Africa?
Mobile garrisonable structure. Gains attack like a TC when garrisoned with villagers, but can also move around so they can hide outside base, and gains more movespeed as more villagers are garrisoned, so can outrun most soldiers when filled.
@@WiggaMachiavelli Thank you!
So, apart from good merc play, the Dutch also got two good Revolutions?? We ll defenately see more Dutch in DE!!
I was defenately suprised by most top 1 revolutions! When i revolted to Egypt as Ottos, i was so underwhelmed, but for the brits are so good (i havent played Brits in DE yet)! And Brazil for Ports is staight up OP imo. Finland is the best revolution hands down though (for swedes)
so romania fort spam is viable?
I didn’t even freakin know you could do this shit...
Don’t Swedes already have Dakarl as their guard pikemen? They don’t have crossbows, so they only benefit from half of the Papal Guard.
Didn't Haiti have a home city card that allows buccaneers to have a ranged attack?
You should make a guide on making decks cause I suck ass at deck building
Hungary revolution is different for all the 3 civs, Russia gets blockhouses with every shipment for example
I think Canada revolution is designed for naval battle, for the strong Ironclad card, while you still keep economy to build Frigate.
Egypt fleet occupied the warship number limit, and I do not think 1 Frigate+1 Privateer are stronger than 2 Ironclad.
Finally they added my country to AoEIII lol
Don’t beat yourself up about the accent. The English dude in my Spanish class says “take-oh” and “boo-right-oh”
If Haitian hand infantry could sneak they'd be a bit better but they need a better rework than that tbh
Your pronounce of Voluntário da Pátria is ok, the accent made it a bit strange, but it seems correct for me.