Fun fact: the combined arsenal and military wagons are worth 450 wood, so you're actually getting more wood from the logistician than the quartermaster. You just can't spend any of it on houses.
But it costs an extra 100 food which means you will tech a little bit later and lose a bit of food. It would be mitigated by the fact that your settlers do not have to build.
The virgin skirmisher:cost gold, can't collect resource, little hp The Chad courer the bois: only Cost food, can collect resource, can produce baby without girl, little hp but still OP
Good video, Many times when people try to break the mold they either overthink or are stuck in a way of thinking. It was great to see your process. And the math was sound as always.
@@AussieDrongo I agree, any build order videos should feature that at the end, plus I would like to see a break down of the best distribution of settler labor to ensure the perfect amount of the correct resources come in at the right times. That part is tricky for me.
I am really looking forward to the day you make civ profiles. Based on what we have seen from you so far, those are going to be insanely detailed and informative. I just learned a lot today. Thanks for your hard work!
I just build the arsenal and get all the upgrades first because how am I supposed to train hussars if they don't even have armor or guns? I also don't like rushing because I'm a pacifist, I want until they attack me first then declare war. I never kill villagers either because it goes against the Geneva Convention and given how good swiss pikemen are I wouldn't want to make them mad.
Don't forget that if you play as the Portuguese you can call the Treaty of Tordesillas. This way your opponent can't legally attack you on your half of the map without your consent.
@@AussieDrongo After this series is finished can you start doing civ overviews and grade and rank them? I just had some ideas I would like to share with you. 1.You can grade Infantry, Cavalry and Artillery considering homecity shipments. Like german cav is stronger bcoz 3 homecity cavalry attack shipments boost their cav stats by 45% and hence their WW have 92 attack and Uhlan 94 attack. Whereas Spanish cav is weaker bcoz they dont have much homecity support nor they have royal guard status. For Natives like aztecs and Inca consider their cavalry equivalent like Coyote runners and Eagle runner knights. Swedes although have weak miliitary but their merceneraies are just insane. With mercenery contractor their landsknect have 99 attack and Fusiliers have 129 attack with 114 siege! Its like grenadier musketeer hybrid. This makes swedes a strong military civs so considering homecity is important. 2. Another category can be Defences which can be on various factors. Russians can be considered to have strong defence due to their instantly spawning infantry which can defend the town at any moment. Incas have strong defence due to their 8 town centres. 3. This category should include economy and talk about how strong a civs economy is in early, middle and late game. Like aztecs can have good early economy due to their warrior priests they can generate extra XP by dances and hence get shipments more quickly. with their extra shipment get 3 warrior priests and use them to produce villagers quickly and reach 80 vils in Age 2 only. Brits obviously have good early economy. 4. In all above categories you can subdivide into early game , middle game and late game. Like swedes have weak early game military (Absence of crossbows). Better middle game as high attack hakkapelits come in . And very strong lategame military due to their merceneries. These are some ideas which might help you you may or may not include them. BTW thanks if you made this far to my commment.
I will try this in the next team game I play, i tried your 10 vill porto video and it blew me away from beating sioux iro and india to japan! The truth is your channel has helped me re invent myself in a game i have been playing since 2012
Nice video! May I suggest you give (a bit like SotL) in the description chapter titles? SotL videos are often still watched months or even years after he posted them. One usually wants to check something. Chapters help for that a lot. :-)
Nice video! Since it focuses on build orders and you have several "failed" attempts, I would like to have the build order that worked displayed on the screen as you are explaining it (without the icons disappearing), so people can visualize it all in one picture. Keep up the good work! May I ask what was your PR in AoE3 TAD?
I like how they changed the game to make it more historical accurate, especially the Native American factions, but still left the French with the flag of the "Ancien Regime" (which should be actually white instead of blue) and at the same kept Napoleon as their leader. Louis XIV would be more fitting.
Hey mate, don't know if you read comments on videos a week old, but after doing some testing on this, i don't actually know if this is worth it. I know in a more recent video you talked about linearity bias and how raw stats don't tell the full story. Now completely in spite of that, heres some quick math: Assuming that the gold spent on the cav breastplate could have gotten you 4 hussars.... if you imagine your troops are a giant pool of stats, then those 4 hussars would have added 320hp x 4 units = 1,280hp to your pool. Plus in practice that's an extra 4 units out on the map dealing damage. Since the breastplate gives a 10% bonus (which is 32 health per hussar), you would actually need to have a whopping 40 hussars before the resources for that upgrade breaks even with the 4 hussars you could have otherwise had. Only on the 41st hussar does the upgrade give you a better bang for your buck, and even then i don't know at what point it outweighs having an extra 4 units in the fight dealing damage. Curious your thoughts on this. I like the idea of the logistician, but ive found it less effective than the standard build, and after some number crunching i think this is why. I think you're better off just focusing on getting units out instead of dropping all that gold on an upgrade which isn't cost effective until 40+ hussars.
I would be cool if you did a “first 15min of *faction*”, I feel that there are quite a few player of age 3 now that are not yet at a point as precise as this, me for example am still learning the timings, villagers numbers and etc...
Just for culture: "Coureur" in "Coureur des bois" is pronouced "koorer" (like superlative on "koor") The way you pronouced it look more like "cuir" wich mean "leather" in french Yeah I know that nobody realy care
On the discussion of the reduced impact of the military wagon for the French due to the superior build rate of the CDB: Although the CDB spend less time constructing the stable, you have to weigh that against the opportunity cost of not gathering resources for those 19 seconds. Since the CDB also have a higher gathering rate , time they spend building rather than gathering is more costly than for other civilizations. I don't have the exact numbers, but the overall impact of the military wagon (measured in villager seconds) may be greater than you suggest. Great video though! Well made!
yeah but when you're considering age 2 building the most important thing is not the lack of ressources but the lack of time since everyone will be rushing.
Every video you have posted so far is in high quality, and I have watched all of them due to quality and the time and lenght involved with the information shared. Big thumbs up! Do you have any plans of showcasing 1v1 games in general? Like I want to see some of your builds or gameplay in practice. P.S. I have not played AOE III for like 10 years or so, and I am very rusty as I have forgotten everything. lmao I have been watching your videoes for guidance, and it helps me a lot in decision makings.
Hey Aussie, I've really enjoyed your videos over the last week, and as a relatively inexperienced AoE3 player i had a couple questions about the Japanese. Back when I started playing in 2015, i remember thumbing through a lot of ancient AoE3 lore to find build orders and i found a lot of people considered the Japanese to be gamebreakingly overpowered. Do you believe that was true? And if it was true, do you believe the issue was addressed with the myriad of changes brought in by the definitive edition?
awesome vids, im brand new to aoe3 and rts in general and trying not to get stomped by friends. pics of build order and timings to aim for would be amazing, ty for the contents
I know you are covering politicians, but I would love to see a video on the value of firepit dance for Aztec or other civs. Like exp dance, fertility dance, travois dance, skull knight dance etc. I am very interested in the value and efficiency of using settlers on the firepit instead of gathering ressources. At what point and what number if settlers is it better to send them to the firepit, if at all?
Awesome vid but I'm not sure I understand why you don't do 4cdb/700w/700g. You may miss a few Huss on your first batch but everything should be smoother afterwards don't you think ?
What do you think of the bank rush with japanese, can it compete with ports? I do it alot in deccan. As soon as you aged you have basically a free bank, you just have to send the consulate card in age I and age up with the big shrine and pay 270 export for the bank.
Swedes seem to get advanced arsenal upgrades for free (no card) when advancing with the logistician and getting the arsenal wagon. Do French get that as well?
@@gruntgg Looks like the swedes just get that part of advanced arsenal for free. They don't even have the card for it; they just always have access to the full arsenal of upgrades. This means they can only get age 2 arsenal with the Logistician.
That's all well and good, and I respect the mentality of trying until it works. But not having 5 hussars in the first batch basically means that if you're in a teamgame, you've forfeitted cav superiority and your team will be raided heavily for this.
hey i love your videos and how thorough and factual you are. I'd like to give my constructive critism on this video, it is very hard to follow i've watched it 5 times over and it jumps around too much maybe in future videos include exactly what you have your vils and explain as to why .
Could you possibly do a keybinds video or recommend a good set of keybinds? It seems like a lot of the keybinds are entirely useless (like the default attack move being cntrl+shift+z), and I've struggled finding an informative video on recommended keybinds.
Kind of sad with definitive edition. It Lags hardcore(even in singleplayer) and the AI doesnt work properly. I was playing with the hardest AI and it was not attacking at all. I played 5 games and boomed to imperial age in all games without facing any raids. In original aoe3 I was scared to send my villagers to hunt in front of my base as AI just killed everything but, now I just casually sent villagers absolutely in centre of map and faced no raids. Some improvements like AI shoot hunts so that they are lured towards town centre. Another thing which was disappointing was extreme AI cheats. And sad fact is that developers were unable to make AI build walls. They did the same for Aoe2 AI why they are unable to do it for Aoe3 AI? Feeling like to unistall this game :( I would have played multiplayer but with 15 FPS in late games its just impossible and frustrating. But I am hoping for improvements. I remember AOE2DE lagged hard first when it was released. I thought it was my system but when I saw Vipers stream I realized it was the game. His game also stopped responding on load screen. But in 36202 they improved it and it didnt lag. Hope that devs do make changes. I think they have overdone too much. I would prefer original game graphics with all DE features. Its just so annoying that cannons hide in white smoke and every shot ignites fire. Thats just too MUCH. Devs should remove some graphics and focus on providing performance. Most of the negative steam reviews reported the same thing. By the way Aussie good video Keep it Up :)
This isnt working. Enemy always makes barracks x2 and a bunch of pike man n musketeers. Edit Ok i switched to just food and coin and built 1 barracks won in less than 10 min. Thanks for ur help alot bro.
"He is a total chad that has no interest in hanging out with female settlers"
Coureur Des Bois based and redpilled. 👌
„not all gamers are antifeminists“
That comment of him surprised me a Bit but i Like it!
Ah now I understand why Canada is english
I think we found him guys.
The SpiritOfTheLaw for AOE3.
There's only one SoTL.
He uploads to frequently tho.
and with a sexy voice, lol.
Imo Drongo got the potential to become something like SOTl of aoe3
Got that soothing tone!
Yeh. Though the titles could become a little less clickbaity. He won't need it.
Fun fact: the combined arsenal and military wagons are worth 450 wood, so you're actually getting more wood from the logistician than the quartermaster. You just can't spend any of it on houses.
But it costs an extra 100 food which means you will tech a little bit later and lose a bit of food. It would be mitigated by the fact that your settlers do not have to build.
The virgin skirmisher:cost gold, can't collect resource, little hp
The Chad courer the bois: only
Cost food, can collect resource, can produce baby without girl, little hp but still OP
Good video, Many times when people try to break the mold they either overthink or are stuck in a way of thinking. It was great to see your process. And the math was sound as always.
a picture at the end of the video with a full visual build order!
Great idea! Definitely going to come next video!
@@AussieDrongo I agree, any build order videos should feature that at the end, plus I would like to see a break down of the best distribution of settler labor to ensure the perfect amount of the correct resources come in at the right times. That part is tricky for me.
I am really looking forward to the day you make civ profiles. Based on what we have seen from you so far, those are going to be insanely detailed and informative. I just learned a lot today. Thanks for your hard work!
I just build the arsenal and get all the upgrades first because how am I supposed to train hussars if they don't even have armor or guns? I also don't like rushing because I'm a pacifist, I want until they attack me first then declare war. I never kill villagers either because it goes against the Geneva Convention and given how good swiss pikemen are I wouldn't want to make them mad.
Don't forget that if you play as the Portuguese you can call the Treaty of Tordesillas. This way your opponent can't legally attack you on your half of the map without your consent.
@@gabrielragum *laughs in spaniard*
Dude your vids are amazing! I never think this deeply into my AOE 3 builds but am now inspired to take the game mechanics more seriously
Will you also cover gameplay at some point? Even uncommented I would really like to see, how you play a multiplayermatch.
Of course it will be coming up in the next week :)
@@AussieDrongo After this series is finished can you start doing civ overviews and grade and rank them? I just had some ideas I would like to share with you.
1.You can grade Infantry, Cavalry and Artillery considering homecity shipments. Like german cav is stronger bcoz 3 homecity cavalry attack shipments boost their cav stats by 45% and hence their WW have 92 attack and Uhlan 94 attack. Whereas Spanish cav is weaker bcoz they dont have much homecity support nor they have royal guard status. For Natives like aztecs and Inca consider their cavalry equivalent like Coyote runners and Eagle runner knights. Swedes although have weak miliitary but their merceneraies are just insane. With mercenery contractor their landsknect have 99 attack and Fusiliers have 129 attack with 114 siege! Its like grenadier musketeer hybrid. This makes swedes a strong military civs so considering homecity is important.
2. Another category can be Defences which can be on various factors. Russians can be considered to have strong defence due to their instantly spawning infantry which can defend the town at any moment. Incas have strong defence due to their 8 town centres.
3. This category should include economy and talk about how strong a civs economy is in early, middle and late game. Like aztecs can have good early economy due to their warrior priests they can generate extra XP by dances and hence get shipments more quickly. with their extra shipment get 3 warrior priests and use them to produce villagers quickly and reach 80 vils in Age 2 only. Brits obviously have good early economy.
4. In all above categories you can subdivide into early game , middle game and late game. Like swedes have weak early game military (Absence of crossbows). Better middle game as high attack hakkapelits come in . And very strong lategame military due to their merceneries.
These are some ideas which might help you you may or may not include them. BTW thanks if you made this far to my commment.
These videos are so well researched, thanks for all the effort man!
I will try this in the next team game I play, i tried your 10 vill porto video and it blew me away from beating sioux iro and india to japan!
The truth is your channel has helped me re invent myself in a game i have been playing since 2012
Just stumbled over your videos. Im incredibly impressed by how precisely you describe your builds. Hope you keep the great work up!
Nice video! May I suggest you give (a bit like SotL) in the description chapter titles? SotL videos are often still watched months or even years after he posted them. One usually wants to check something. Chapters help for that a lot. :-)
Thanks for leaving the detailed comment, I'm not sure exactly what you mean so I will have to check out his channel and take a look :)
@@AussieDrongo Something like this:
0:01 Intro
1:45 Summary of Logistician
3:20 Comparison to Quartermaster
5:10 etc, etc...
@@BluecopetitaTL Exactly this! :-)
Your channel makes me wish Australia was a revolution option in the game
The quality and clarity of your videos makes me want to play this game more and become a better player. You deserve way more subs than you have
I'm glad to hear that! DE is a wonderful game, I encourage you to give it a go more often!
Nice video! Since it focuses on build orders and you have several "failed" attempts, I would like to have the build order that worked displayed on the screen as you are explaining it (without the icons disappearing), so people can visualize it all in one picture. Keep up the good work! May I ask what was your PR in AoE3 TAD?
i had to take notes for the final BO, this shit is just wonderful
I like how they changed the game to make it more historical accurate, especially the Native American factions, but still left the French with the flag of the "Ancien Regime" (which should be actually white instead of blue) and at the same kept Napoleon as their leader. Louis XIV would be more fitting.
you can now revolt to republican france, and then later again to imperial france
Hey mate, don't know if you read comments on videos a week old, but after doing some testing on this, i don't actually know if this is worth it. I know in a more recent video you talked about linearity bias and how raw stats don't tell the full story. Now completely in spite of that, heres some quick math:
Assuming that the gold spent on the cav breastplate could have gotten you 4 hussars.... if you imagine your troops are a giant pool of stats, then those 4 hussars would have added 320hp x 4 units = 1,280hp to your pool. Plus in practice that's an extra 4 units out on the map dealing damage. Since the breastplate gives a 10% bonus (which is 32 health per hussar), you would actually need to have a whopping 40 hussars before the resources for that upgrade breaks even with the 4 hussars you could have otherwise had. Only on the 41st hussar does the upgrade give you a better bang for your buck, and even then i don't know at what point it outweighs having an extra 4 units in the fight dealing damage.
Curious your thoughts on this. I like the idea of the logistician, but ive found it less effective than the standard build, and after some number crunching i think this is why. I think you're better off just focusing on getting units out instead of dropping all that gold on an upgrade which isn't cost effective until 40+ hussars.
I would be cool if you did a “first 15min of *faction*”, I feel that there are quite a few player of age 3 now that are not yet at a point as precise as this, me for example am still learning the timings, villagers numbers and etc...
Just for culture:
"Coureur" in "Coureur des bois" is pronouced "koorer" (like superlative on "koor")
The way you pronouced it look more like "cuir" wich mean "leather" in french
Yeah I know that nobody realy care
Eeeeh ok...
The coureurs are indeed "durs à cuire" though...
Thanks! I always butchered this even til this day x)
CHAD CONFIRMED
On the discussion of the reduced impact of the military wagon for the French due to the superior build rate of the CDB: Although the CDB spend less time constructing the stable, you have to weigh that against the opportunity cost of not gathering resources for those 19 seconds. Since the CDB also have a higher gathering rate , time they spend building rather than gathering is more costly than for other civilizations. I don't have the exact numbers, but the overall impact of the military wagon (measured in villager seconds) may be greater than you suggest.
Great video though! Well made!
yeah but when you're considering age 2 building the most important thing is not the lack of ressources but the lack of time since everyone will be rushing.
Every video you have posted so far is in high quality, and I have watched all of them due to quality and the time and lenght involved with the information shared.
Big thumbs up!
Do you have any plans of showcasing 1v1 games in general? Like I want to see some of your builds or gameplay in practice.
P.S.
I have not played AOE III for like 10 years or so, and I am very rusty as I have forgotten everything. lmao
I have been watching your videoes for guidance, and it helps me a lot in decision makings.
Great videos !!
Germans in one of the 4 civs next please, because im german and i want to play as them :D
Germans logistician was already covered :).
@@Peachrocks5 ohh okay i thought like a overall guide not the guys for aging :D
Hey Aussie, I've really enjoyed your videos over the last week, and as a relatively inexperienced AoE3 player i had a couple questions about the Japanese.
Back when I started playing in 2015, i remember thumbing through a lot of ancient AoE3 lore to find build orders and i found a lot of people considered the Japanese to be gamebreakingly overpowered. Do you believe that was true? And if it was true, do you believe the issue was addressed with the myriad of changes brought in by the definitive edition?
I love that we have great content for aoe 3 DE
awesome vids, im brand new to aoe3 and rts in general and trying not to get stomped by friends. pics of build order and timings to aim for would be amazing, ty for the contents
Please dive a bit more into the basics of build orders and deck strategies. In this way we can learn more :) Good content!
I know you are covering politicians, but I would love to see a video on the value of firepit dance for Aztec or other civs. Like exp dance, fertility dance, travois dance, skull knight dance etc. I am very interested in the value and efficiency of using settlers on the firepit instead of gathering ressources. At what point and what number if settlers is it better to send them to the firepit, if at all?
Mwahaaa the French cavalry has always been celebrated for its excellence
Love the ultrawide videos!
Awesome vid but I'm not sure I understand why you don't do 4cdb/700w/700g. You may miss a few Huss on your first batch but everything should be smoother afterwards don't you think ?
What do you think of the bank rush with japanese, can it compete with ports? I do it alot in deccan. As soon as you aged you have basically a free bank, you just have to send the consulate card in age I and age up with the big shrine and pay 270 export for the bank.
Swedes seem to get advanced arsenal upgrades for free (no card) when advancing with the logistician and getting the arsenal wagon. Do French get that as well?
I was wondering the same. The infantry speed upgrade at the advanced arsenal could be good for a musketeer build with French.
@@gruntgg Looks like the swedes just get that part of advanced arsenal for free. They don't even have the card for it; they just always have access to the full arsenal of upgrades. This means they can only get age 2 arsenal with the Logistician.
@@nlb137 Thanks for letting me know!
I need a Swede rush puhlez!
Give it another couple hours ;)
Another great video.
What about taking a tp early instead of market??
You will have a shipment ready before clicking up, so u can send 300w in transition!!
That's all well and good, and I respect the mentality of trying until it works. But not having 5 hussars in the first batch basically means that if you're in a teamgame, you've forfeitted cav superiority and your team will be raided heavily for this.
Will you do a video on the new Revolutions?
I will be doing an entire series on the new revolutions :)
What is your team deck ? (Btw great vid man !!!!)
Thanks mate! Here you go i.imgur.com/KOo5j9S.png
@@AussieDrongo This is the deck we should use for this strategy?
hey i love your videos and how thorough and factual you are. I'd like to give my constructive critism on this video, it is very hard to follow i've watched it 5 times over and it jumps around too much maybe in future videos include exactly what you have your vils and explain as to why .
Great tip, I'll make sure to do a more straightforward walkthrough.
it would be great if you added a tech map for this build
Aussie do a multiplayer civ tier list like you did for 1v1 it would be cool to see 😎
Edit: Team Game list* it’s all multiplayer lol
this is some good ass content
cheers bro
Could you possibly do a keybinds video or recommend a good set of keybinds? It seems like a lot of the keybinds are entirely useless (like the default attack move being cntrl+shift+z), and I've struggled finding an informative video on recommended keybinds.
I know there are a lot of videos on aoe2 hotkeys. Not the same game, but a lot translates over
Dont the french have an early skirm card? That would make counter infantry rifling decent in some cases if you can get it age 2
Hi drongo. How do you research the market ups without clicking on them at 3:26? Like what is the hot key?
Just go 700w first in age 2 and make a second TP with it also go tp in age one and play normal shouldent be a problem to get batches of 5 huss
In your deck, what's the last card of 3rd age (the card furthest to the right) ? I don't find it in the game !
Mad vids yea nah yeah nahh yeaaa yea pretty good
What do you think of France in DE vs the original
Would this be good vs a Lakota cav rush? What's the counter to Lakota cav rush (with sometimes a bunch of bows behind em if lucky w early war hut)
Any changes on the Asian Civs ?
Just wondering btw what are the specs for the DE? I’ve got the OG at the mo
not sure i follow your logic on why the building wagons are weaker for french
their settles collect resources and build faster both, no?
Kind of sad with definitive edition. It Lags hardcore(even in singleplayer) and the AI doesnt work properly. I was playing with the hardest AI and it was not attacking at all. I played 5 games and boomed to imperial age in all games without facing any raids. In original aoe3 I was scared to send my villagers to hunt in front of my base as AI just killed everything but, now I just casually sent villagers absolutely in centre of map and faced no raids. Some improvements like AI shoot hunts so that they are lured towards town centre. Another thing which was disappointing was extreme AI cheats. And sad fact is that developers were unable to make AI build walls. They did the same for Aoe2 AI why they are unable to do it for Aoe3 AI? Feeling like to unistall this game :( I would have played multiplayer but with 15 FPS in late games its just impossible and frustrating.
But I am hoping for improvements. I remember AOE2DE lagged hard first when it was released. I thought it was my system but when I saw Vipers stream I realized it was the game. His game also stopped responding on load screen. But in 36202 they improved it and it didnt lag. Hope that devs do make changes. I think they have overdone too much. I would prefer original game graphics with all DE features. Its just so annoying that cannons hide in white smoke and every shot ignites fire. Thats just too MUCH. Devs should remove some graphics and focus on providing performance. Most of the negative steam reviews reported the same thing.
By the way Aussie good video Keep it Up :)
Do a lakota video! :)
Love-hate as in I love to hate them
This isnt working. Enemy always makes barracks x2 and a bunch of pike man n musketeers.
Edit
Ok i switched to just food and coin and built 1 barracks won in less than 10 min. Thanks for ur help alot bro.
900 cavalrydoos?
Noiiiiiiiice
Is it true that Portugal vills cost less food,
And can u still make a cav box?
Yes it is true, and yes you can still cav box.
how can ur game look so nice? i have everything on high and it realy looks horrible.....
Canada revolt is disgusting haven't lost yet
What game is this?is this game free to play?
drongo >>> samurairevolution
First lol
fk
Imagine having a game set in the colonial era and renaming "colonial" everything to be PC.