Bullet punch is Scizor's pseudo-signature move, with its good bulk, steel typing, swords dance and iconic technician ability it does not only use it well it basically becomes its most used offensive move beside maybe U-turn. Other users are Metagross but he gets plenty of other coverage moves so he usually does not use it since it lacks both a damage boosting ability and swords dance to make it a great move. And Lucario, while Lucario does have access to swords dance it has other and better priority moves in extreme speed or runs a special moveset which uses vacuum wave.
This was actually on the initial draft of my script for this video, but I scrapped it because of Metagross. Maybe I'll add it to my list if I make a part 2!
Some lesser known Pokemon that used moves mentioned in VGC: Gen 8 - Expanding Force Calyrex-Shadow with Indeedee (Series 13 Psyspam) Gen 5 - Jellicent Water Spout (VGC 2011 Top 8) Gen 7 - Xurkitree Tail Glow (VGC 2017 Finals)
I don't think that's the case personally. I had overlooked slither wing though, and slither does love its priority bug move, but I don't think I've ever seen any of the other mons run it at all
singles players when the beginning of a competitive pokemon youtube video starts off by saying they’re mostly talking about vgc, and at many points in the video they’re ignoring smogon (they expected the entire video based on vgc to discuss singles)
@@justdominik9812 So close! If you watched the video, you would have noticed some singles mons were mentioned; this was also mentioned at the very beginning. If you didn't know, Serperior is actually good in singles and is the only viable user of Leaf Storm. Hope this helps 👍
Correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm pretty sure hisuian Lilligant is the only Solar blade user in OU. The rest either don't have the stats for it or just have other moves they'd rather run
In BSS though, Breloom is the better Spore user by far. I know BSS is the least popular format compared to VGC and Smogon Singles in general, but Breloom is weirdly enough still relevant in today's meta, though not as popular as the during first regulations.
another great vid. Definitely a more singles oriented pick but imo seismic toss for blissey (and chansey too I guess) is the first thing that comes to mind for me. It has always been a staple in blissey/chansey sets, and literally no other pokemon uses it. Seismic toss is what actually forces pokemon to have to switch out, and is what enables blissey to be a viable special wall. you'll rarely ever kill 1 full pokemon with seismic tosses, but the presence of it on blissey's moveset is the only thing stopping special attackers from just sitting there chipping away until blissey runs out of soft boileds. There is the identically functioning Night Shade and I think some lower tiered pokemon like dusknoir have ran it in the past, but it's never came close to the success that blissey has with seismic toss.
@@amirrbah167 lmaoooo "zero idea what im talking about" because I did not mention a mega pokemon that would sometimes use a move 3 generations ago. you are very smart my bad!
I think it’s worth noting that Ursaluna is the only WORTHWHILE Pokemon that has those traits. Though not in Scarlet and Violet, Swellow also has a STAB + Guts-boosted facade. Ursaluna has other traits that makes it better for the role, such as stronger stats and a secondary type that pairs well with normal type offensively
If you look at vgc gen 9 exclusively, I agree with the list mostly, but Farigaraf also learns expanding force, which is a somewhat common tech against psyspam teams bc you only lose a little bp from psychic
In gen 9 VGC Hydreigon often runs focus energy with scope lens to always crit draco meteor and ignore the attack drops. Also an Ogerpon with focus energy came second at a big tournament this year in Orlando. Those are just a couple I know off the top of my head :)
I feel like breloom gets knocked on for being "outclassed" a lot by other pokémon, but it's not really meant to be an urshifu or anything else. Breloom has technician, a good attack stat, and basically any priority move you want, as well as access to spore. It also has a mass of other solid support moves that are too long to list. It basically stands as an extremely solid, versatile priority user with a ton of potential coverage with its priority.
Really, the only moves in this video that I would consider pseudo-signature moves are Grassy Glide, Water Spout, and Tail Glow. For all the other moves, other Pokemon can use those moves effectively, they're just used most effectively by a certain Pokemon. But for Grassy Glide, Water Spout, and Tail Glow... Rillaboom, Kyogre, and Manaphy really are the only Pokemon that can effectively use these moves.
guts facade isn't the only pseudo signature of ursaluna, as it also gets headlong rush, a ground type close combat clone that it only shares with great tusk and torterra, and since one isn't available in reg h and the other is pretty bad, it is effectively the only user of it in vgc
I love how after nature, EVs and IVs Legendary pokemon's Attack or Special Attack is like barely 7% higher than your average offensive pokemon, and everyone says "iNsAnE sTaTs😮😮😮" 😂😂😂😂😂
Something about the Facade with Ursaluna. I'd like to throw Zangoose into the ring. While not as beefy in attack as Ursaluna, Zangoose is faster and still has a good overall attack stat with the same boosts in Toxic Boost x Normal Stab x Facade x 2.
armorouge and ursaluna are the only two i really disagree with just because i don’t think they’re as iconic as pokémon who have had it be their “pseudo signature”. in my opinion indeedee is way more associated with expanding force and zangoose, flareon, obstagoon, slaking, squakabilly etc ALL use status and guts + facade as their main firepower. i get that you said it’s in the context of relevance but i think specifically facade is just too bland and easily passed out to say it’s ursalunas signature especially because ursaluna can do other stuff and is so new and facade is just so old. norman already ran it through the mud with his ace who isn’t ursaluna. and ursaluna has been in a tumultuous relationship with relevance
You don’t get that he said relevant then If you did get that then you’d not make this argument because NO OTHER MON runs facade in competitive outside of ursaluna
@@GravityIsFallingthere have been guts + facade mons viable before this gen, so it still feels a bit iffy even if it is technically good. Expanding force is fairly obvious to the point he even says it isn't in the video, tons of other psychics run it now they have access again, and armorouge isn't even the best user anymore since that's Iron crown.
So a whole video about Techno Blast Genesect, Jaw Lock Drednaw(ability can give it stab), Anchor Shot Dhelmise ( ability can give it stab), and Victini stealing Fusion Bolt, Bolt Strike, and Glaciate.
Archaludon is a huge one with electro shot, and then you’ve got galarian stunfisk, which is just terrible and has a grass type signature move of snap trap, which is just bad lol
Lokix’s Axe Kick, if you count it. It’s almost exclusive, but they gave it to some other Pokémon right away instead of waiting to spread it around. Lokix was definitely the reason the move was created though. I kind of thought this was the kind of move the video was going to be about.
Cool idea, but if I was doing this, I would also talk about, let's call it, "quasi signature moves", when a move isn't a signature move, but the pokemon is famous for having it, or even when the move defines the pokemon. Good example would be Spore on Parasect: little fella doesn't have anything going on, it's famous for its Spore. Another example would be Amnesia for Gen 1 Mewtwo and Slowbro: yes, there're two of them, but but that move is their whole thing, Amnesia basically defines both of these pokemon. Mewtwo would be much easier to deal with on the Special side without it, and Slowbro would be a complete joke with no Amnesia + Rest combo.
Would say that headlong rush feels much closer to a pseudo signature move for ursaluna than facade does,, 'cause facade is kinda pseudo-signature for any guts pikemone
Spore for Amoongus isn’t completely true (Spore Breloom is decent), but I can tolerate it. However, I can NOT tolerate Facade for Ursaluna. There have been plenty of other amazing Facade sweepers in the past.
@@jmcbangoI meant that it wasn’t seeing a lot of usage in Scarlet Violet VGC, and while it may be seeing solid usage in reg H, this video was made right at the announcement of it and no data for it was available
I'm sorry, but counting STAB in damage calculations is just silly! Most moves are fired off of STAB, unless maybe you're playing Gen 7 singles and you want to use an all out attacking Mewtwo or something. In VGC the only non-STAB moves are like U-Turn and Fake Out. And STAB is something that's naturally easy to account for, moves just FEEL stromger when you know they match type, so ounting STAB is misleading, it make the move appear stronger than it actually is, cos we already assume in the head that from a Normal type Facade is gonna be stronger, so instead of thinking of it as roughly 2 times stronger than your average Return, you think of it as a pre nerf Explosion rivalling nuke, which it isn't.
Pokemon being so sexist (joking) in not giving Illumise Tail Glow, it would still be bad but would have a small niche since it has a better Special Attack stat
I think the same case could be make for Aura sphere. It's always a move related to Lucario. But a lot of pokemon can learn it. Weirdly enough the standar set for special Iron Valiant in random battles is Calm Mind, Moonblast, Psychic and close combat. Even thought it learns aura sphere. And the other pokemon that I have seen using it, is Archaludon and sometimes armarouge
@@carucath97 because close combat is stronger. Every pokemon that can use aura sphere, cam learn close combat, and since game freak always goes the route of: "Special fighting types, no. Better if they are mix attacker" Another example is Kommo-o. Throat spray sets are super popular, however close combat (or even drain punch to recover) still hits harder
@@frozenherolp9077 It is less about "whom is the best at it" but it is more a matter of "Is that strategy viable with said pokemon at the tier they play in".
@@Undermine5 no, this video is about VGC, not about Smogon singles. And ursaluna is pretty much the only common Mon that runs facade outside of reg H, which didn't even come out yet.
Okay it might be the fact that I’m a nuzlocker who is just intrigued by the intricacies of competitive rather than someone who actually does competitive but facade was always Swellow’s pseudo signature move to me. Wow nuzlockes and competitive really are different aren’t they…? fascinating
@@nourizz In gen6 and 7 ubers mega salamence sometimes ran facade to be able to dish out good damage even after getting burned from ho-oh sacred fire. Just a cool fact i thought i would mention
The funny thing about the lake trio being able to learn expanding force is that because their only ability is Levitate, they can't use psychic terrain to boost it
Some of these are format dependent ie spore and facade most normal guts pokemon have facade urserluna is just the one available and good in gen 9 same with spore breloom was good now it's completely powercrept.
I think quiver dance is almost the pseudo signature move of Volcarona The only other real users of it are Pheromosa and Lilligant. Idk a lot about competitive pokemon i might be talking out of my ass
70 BP, x2 cause status is 140, x1.5 is 210, x1.5 is 315. 70x2 + (70x1.5) + (70x1.5) is an incorrect notation for the problem. If we undistribute the 70, we get 70 x (2+1.5+1.5), which is 70x5, or 350. The way these bonuses work is that they combine multiplicatively, as in the multiply together, not add. If we multiply the bonuses, we get 70x2x1.5x1.5, which compresses to 70x4.5, not 70x5, which is 315.
@@ShadowPhoenix4798 on first glance, someone might think that 2 "70" is correct, wich you can wright it that way, but 3 "70" is where it all got downhill.
Just 315? Tera Normal makes it 420. In a Double Battle with a partner with Poison Powder, so that he can hold a Silk Scarf, even more powerful. Any more suggestions on increasing that power?
@@ShadowPhoenix4798I was going to say Belly Drum, and Ursaluna holds a one use item. The partner holds the Choice Band and needs to have Fling/Switcheroo/Trick, Helping Hand, Poison Powder/Poison Gas/Will-o-wisp (does burn or normal poison do more damage?), and Heal Pulse/Pollen Puff. Does any Pokémon fit that criteria?
@@implying8903 you have zero ideo what you are talking about, ogerpon runs superpower 60% of the time to counter Incineroar, nobody ever uses lurantis, it has 0.02% usage...
@@justdominik9812Pseudo signature moves exist outside of perfectly optimized competitive strategies as well. Non meta relevant pokemon can also have a pseudo signature move. Ogerpon doesn't really have a cool and unique strategy with superpower, it just needs something to counter incineroar. Lurantis actually uses the move to do something unique with it. Superpower Lurantis is not a popular choice for winning but the move has a unique identity on Lurantis specifically, which is more important to me. We have different expectations of what a pseudo signature move should look like because we play the game differently. And there is nothing wrong with that.
I have a suspicion that, like, 30% of why Sharpness was introduced as an ability was to make Psycho Cut Gallade viable over Zen Headbutt.
it also makes Sacred Sword viable over Close Combat.
Which I'm not complaining. I love Psycho Cut and Sacred Sword.
Tbh Gamefreak could’ve just turned Psycho Cut into a Psychic-type clone of Leaf Blade (90 BP and 15/24 PP) but Sharpness is a cool ability.
@@tangerinepaint3643 I mean if they did both I wouldn’t complain. Gallade is my favorite.
@@Rot8erConeX Sacred Sword is a cool-ass move.
Well I'd say more likely because they wanted kleavor's and hisuian samurott's moves to be viable instead of a niche.
I would call these "Signature Techniques" as these are more of a combo, rather than just a specific move
True!
That is what those should officially be called.
Parting Shot may be learned by a lot of Pokémon, but we all know now that it's Incineroar's signature move.
Grimmsnarl almost always has it too
So true.
True! I might add that if I make a part 2
I thought it was originally for pangoro?
@@DustyDustington89 Well, it WAS.
At this point Bullet Punch its just Scizor's signature move lol
UU's Metagross is still happily punching bullets, but in practice, Scizor is almost always the defacto bullet puncher
@@Gold_Gamer_100 -what is a metagross-
@@PorygonBugado honestly Metagross is used more often than scizzor.
Bullet punch is Scizor's pseudo-signature move, with its good bulk, steel typing, swords dance and iconic technician ability it does not only use it well it basically becomes its most used offensive move beside maybe U-turn. Other users are Metagross but he gets plenty of other coverage moves so he usually does not use it since it lacks both a damage boosting ability and swords dance to make it a great move. And Lucario, while Lucario does have access to swords dance it has other and better priority moves in extreme speed or runs a special moveset which uses vacuum wave.
This was actually on the initial draft of my script for this video, but I scrapped it because of Metagross. Maybe I'll add it to my list if I make a part 2!
Some lesser known Pokemon that used moves mentioned in VGC:
Gen 8 - Expanding Force Calyrex-Shadow with Indeedee (Series 13 Psyspam)
Gen 5 - Jellicent Water Spout (VGC 2011 Top 8)
Gen 7 - Xurkitree Tail Glow (VGC 2017 Finals)
What about Armarouge? Especially when calyrex isn't legal
Edit; oh I hadn't finished the video
I think ampharos line should receive tail glow.
First impression might as well be the signature move of Lokix
Not really. Basically anything that gets it doesnt mind running it. Even flygon, for example
I don't think that's the case personally. I had overlooked slither wing though, and slither does love its priority bug move, but I don't think I've ever seen any of the other mons run it at all
@@echo5172hax likes to run first impression sometimes
Imagine having your signature move get stolen by a ton of other Pokémon and then getting removed from the game
Golisopod has your address and will be there in 20
As a Smogon player, seeing some of these made me cry
especially Facade because a decent amount of mons get Guts and the move is always a good option for damage
@@khalilnoelgevana3915 Hariyama does go crazy sometimes
singles players when the beginning of a competitive pokemon youtube video starts off by saying they’re mostly talking about vgc, and at many points in the video they’re ignoring smogon (they expected the entire video based on vgc to discuss singles)
@@noragmd vgc is way better anyway, singles is boring af
@@wentoneisendon6502 For you, at least.
Serperior Leaf storm
@@sveipr nah nobody is gonna use that, serperior doesn't come anywhere close to rillaboom, ogerpon or amoonguss as the grass type.
@@justdominik9812 and your point is...? none of the pokemon you listed even use leaf storm lmao
@@ang3lx_xdvst the point is serperior is not good in competitive, pokemon like Venusaur are used 10x more often.
@@justdominik9812And the point of the video is Psuedo sigs, not "most popular Pokemon" lol
@@justdominik9812 So close! If you watched the video, you would have noticed some singles mons were mentioned; this was also mentioned at the very beginning. If you didn't know, Serperior is actually good in singles and is the only viable user of Leaf Storm. Hope this helps 👍
Correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm pretty sure hisuian Lilligant is the only Solar blade user in OU. The rest either don't have the stats for it or just have other moves they'd rather run
That's a good one!
And leafeon in pu
Ceruledge *can* if you run grass tera. I use it over Terablast because I'm playing a sun team
In BSS though, Breloom is the better Spore user by far. I know BSS is the least popular format compared to VGC and Smogon Singles in general, but Breloom is weirdly enough still relevant in today's meta, though not as popular as the during first regulations.
Didn't know that!
BSS?
@@SpliffingBritThe official singles format.
another great vid. Definitely a more singles oriented pick but imo seismic toss for blissey (and chansey too I guess) is the first thing that comes to mind for me. It has always been a staple in blissey/chansey sets, and literally no other pokemon uses it. Seismic toss is what actually forces pokemon to have to switch out, and is what enables blissey to be a viable special wall. you'll rarely ever kill 1 full pokemon with seismic tosses, but the presence of it on blissey's moveset is the only thing stopping special attackers from just sitting there chipping away until blissey runs out of soft boileds.
There is the identically functioning Night Shade and I think some lower tiered pokemon like dusknoir have ran it in the past, but it's never came close to the success that blissey has with seismic toss.
Mega kangakhan would commely use it aswell, you have zero idea what your taking about
@@amirrbah167 lmaoooo "zero idea what im talking about" because I did not mention a mega pokemon that would sometimes use a move 3 generations ago. you are very smart my bad!
@@amirrbah167”commely”
@@amirrbah167by that logic in gen 1 fucking everyone used it sometimes
@@amirrbah167dude you have no idea what you are talking about.
Lmfao
bro forgot about water shuriken like the most pseudo signature move
For some reason Game Freak gave that move to Accelgor.
@@kailesperance1922ninja
@@humusstealr9982 nah, nobody ever uses greninja as it's just not a good Mon, it has never been relevant.
@@justdominik9812it is very relevant in singles
@@kailesperance1922it's a ninja
I think it’s worth noting that Ursaluna is the only WORTHWHILE Pokemon that has those traits. Though not in Scarlet and Violet, Swellow also has a STAB + Guts-boosted facade. Ursaluna has other traits that makes it better for the role, such as stronger stats and a secondary type that pairs well with normal type offensively
7:03 I disagree, using a Choice Scarf Expanding Force Indeedee-Male is a great choice, it can even set up Psychic terrain by itself.
@@charmingup that is a super niche pick, indeedee is pretty much exclusively ran as a support Mon.
@@justdominik9812 it was good against Calyrex, and it walked Shadow Rider as you can have shadow ball to OHKO it 100% of the time (unless focus sash).
If you look at vgc gen 9 exclusively, I agree with the list mostly, but Farigaraf also learns expanding force, which is a somewhat common tech against psyspam teams bc you only lose a little bp from psychic
I'd argue that Farigiraf's signature move is Uproar.
Same goes for hatterene and indeedee-m
Quash is learned by a ton of pokemon, but it feels like Murkrow's signature move
I was actually thinking more Sableye for quash
Quash is sableye signature move. Never seen murkrow run it over it's other moves
i’ve lost to murkrow quash on the bo1 ladder 😅
Is there anything other than Kingdra that runs focus energy?
In gen 9 VGC Hydreigon often runs focus energy with scope lens to always crit draco meteor and ignore the attack drops. Also an Ogerpon with focus energy came second at a big tournament this year in Orlando. Those are just a couple I know off the top of my head :)
@@harvey_pineapplefocus energy draco meteor is hype I love that
I think I’ve seem ogerpon sets with it though it’s uncommon
Hydreigon does , inteleon does
For a long time i actually thought Grassy Glide was exclusive to Rillaboom. I guess you rarely ever see it otherwise.
Hot take: signature moves should not be defined by if only one line/group learns it, but rather if one line/group introduced it to the games
Tail glow in gen 3 only boosted 2 stages, then upped to 3 once they made nasty plot and gave it to more pokemon
Love these vids, hope your channel blows up soon - commenting for the UA-cam algorithm
Thanks!
I agree with all of them except Ursaluna because all guts users effectively use facade
I feel like breloom gets knocked on for being "outclassed" a lot by other pokémon, but it's not really meant to be an urshifu or anything else. Breloom has technician, a good attack stat, and basically any priority move you want, as well as access to spore. It also has a mass of other solid support moves that are too long to list. It basically stands as an extremely solid, versatile priority user with a ton of potential coverage with its priority.
I feel like Pseudo-signature moves should be like moves that were signature moves originally but then other pokemon got them
That’s kind of what it is actually! I’m making a pseudo signature abilities video and you’ll see a lot of the examples for your definition
Swellow graduated to Guts boosted Boombursts but it used to use Facade as well
Lmao i wish. Imagine if it got flare boost 👀
Love your videos!
Thanks!
Really, the only moves in this video that I would consider pseudo-signature moves are Grassy Glide, Water Spout, and Tail Glow. For all the other moves, other Pokemon can use those moves effectively, they're just used most effectively by a certain Pokemon. But for Grassy Glide, Water Spout, and Tail Glow... Rillaboom, Kyogre, and Manaphy really are the only Pokemon that can effectively use these moves.
Grassy glide oger is so good
Spirit break is the pseudo signature move of grimsnarl.
Iron valiant in general wants to use moonblast
Funny how game freak only keeps moves as signature for like one gen at most now
@@AriehAnkri singles players gonna get livid over this
Definitely do a pseudo signature abilities vid
3:04 Am I the only one who thinks of Zangoose when facade is mentioned and not ursaluna??
@@The_Trident_Master yes
guts facade isn't the only pseudo signature of ursaluna, as it also gets headlong rush, a ground type close combat clone that it only shares with great tusk and torterra, and since one isn't available in reg h and the other is pretty bad, it is effectively the only user of it in vgc
Hariyama also learns Headlong Rush.
@@glacierwolf2155 so does great tusk who uses it as its main ground type attack
@@ShadowPhoenix4798 yeah but tusk has only ever been ran in reg b and maybe in reg c and isn't even legal in reg H.
@@justdominik9812 its pretty popular in singles cause of rapid spin. Its #2 in usage for ou, per pikalytics.
@@ShadowPhoenix4798 yeah true but this video is about VGC so that's why it wasn't probably mentioned
I love how after nature, EVs and IVs Legendary pokemon's Attack or Special Attack is like barely 7% higher than your average offensive pokemon, and everyone says "iNsAnE sTaTs😮😮😮" 😂😂😂😂😂
Well we can all agree on one aspect.
God help us if a brelloom ever gets grassy glide
Guts boosted stab facade is also used by swellow
Something about the Facade with Ursaluna.
I'd like to throw Zangoose into the ring. While not as beefy in attack as Ursaluna, Zangoose is faster and still has a good overall attack stat with the same boosts in Toxic Boost x Normal Stab x Facade x 2.
Great vid! :)
Thanks!
armorouge and ursaluna are the only two i really disagree with just because i don’t think they’re as iconic as pokémon who have had it be their “pseudo signature”. in my opinion indeedee is way more associated with expanding force and zangoose, flareon, obstagoon, slaking, squakabilly etc ALL use status and guts + facade as their main firepower. i get that you said it’s in the context of relevance but i think specifically facade is just too bland and easily passed out to say it’s ursalunas signature especially because ursaluna can do other stuff and is so new and facade is just so old. norman already ran it through the mud with his ace who isn’t ursaluna. and ursaluna has been in a tumultuous relationship with relevance
You don’t get that he said relevant then
If you did get that then you’d not make this argument because NO OTHER MON runs facade in competitive outside of ursaluna
@@GravityIsFallingthere have been guts + facade mons viable before this gen, so it still feels a bit iffy even if it is technically good.
Expanding force is fairly obvious to the point he even says it isn't in the video, tons of other psychics run it now they have access again, and armorouge isn't even the best user anymore since that's Iron crown.
@@effluxi9587
You’re talking only about conkeldurr…and this video is clearly only about Gen 9 competitive
@@GravityIsFallingmeanwhile conk is tearing up reg H ladder at the moment with facade as a decent neutral option (or tera normal stab if youre wild)
do pokemon who's signature moves arent any of its types, ie it doesnt get stab
So a whole video about Techno Blast Genesect, Jaw Lock Drednaw(ability can give it stab), Anchor Shot Dhelmise ( ability can give it stab), and Victini stealing Fusion Bolt, Bolt Strike, and Glaciate.
@@Mrdonjuliothewicked i mean that aint victinis signature moves bro stole them
Archaludon is a huge one with electro shot, and then you’ve got galarian stunfisk, which is just terrible and has a grass type signature move of snap trap, which is just bad lol
Lokix’s Axe Kick, if you count it. It’s almost exclusive, but they gave it to some other Pokémon right away instead of waiting to spread it around. Lokix was definitely the reason the move was created though. I kind of thought this was the kind of move the video was going to be about.
Barrage is exclusive to the exeggcute line
Cool idea, but if I was doing this, I would also talk about, let's call it, "quasi signature moves", when a move isn't a signature move, but the pokemon is famous for having it, or even when the move defines the pokemon.
Good example would be Spore on Parasect: little fella doesn't have anything going on, it's famous for its Spore. Another example would be Amnesia for Gen 1 Mewtwo and Slowbro: yes, there're two of them, but but that move is their whole thing, Amnesia basically defines both of these pokemon. Mewtwo would be much easier to deal with on the Special side without it, and Slowbro would be a complete joke with no Amnesia + Rest combo.
Amazing video
Oh, I got one! Psychic Noise on a Liquid Voice Primarina. Not only is it STAB, it hits through subs, and doesn't cure friggin burns.
Would say that headlong rush feels much closer to a pseudo signature move for ursaluna than facade does,, 'cause facade is kinda pseudo-signature for any guts pikemone
I’m surprised that bullet punch Scizor wasn’t on this
That was on the original draft of my script, but I scrapped it because Metagross also uses it!
@@x_bell1142 fair
You should do abilities, was just thinking that before you mentioned it
Already working on it!
I think parting shot is also pseudo-signature move of Incineroar, bcs no other relevant pokémon in VGC learn it
grimmsnarl
@@oogerboogerbugelboy but grimmsnarl most of the time use dual screen, thunder wave/taunt and spirik break/fake out
@@oogerboogerbugelboynah
maybe in singles idk but in vgc its always gonna be twave,dual screen and foul play or spirit break
@@LAIDDN24 yeah, but point is that grimmsnarl usually dont use parting shot
@@vojtech_ledvinka i agree with you buddy
Spore for Amoongus isn’t completely true (Spore Breloom is decent), but I can tolerate it. However, I can NOT tolerate Facade for Ursaluna. There have been plenty of other amazing Facade sweepers in the past.
The video is for scvio
I think Eruption could be Torkoal’s pseudo signature move, yes Typhlosion can also use it somehow ok, but not many people play that mon at all
IIRC, didn't Conkeldurr also have Guts boosted Façade and has seen decent usage in early VGC?
Yes, but not in Scarlet/Violet and not STAB facade either
@@x_bell1142...it absolutely is in scar/vi and is seeing solid usage in reg H rn
@@jmcbangoI meant that it wasn’t seeing a lot of usage in Scarlet Violet VGC, and while it may be seeing solid usage in reg H, this video was made right at the announcement of it and no data for it was available
Before seeing the rules, I thought that Leaf Blade and Sceptile would be in the vid
2:03 ah yes my favorite Physical move, Spore
(he says Status, but the screen mislabels it as Physical)
Shoot, gotta fix that. Thanks for pointing it out!
I would say Icicle Crash is the psuedo signature move of Chien Pao
Other than Pao,none of the ice type physical attackers run Icicle Crash
What about the semi-pseudo ultra paradox moves?
Torkoal and eruption might as well be synonyms
Typhlosion is a better fit imo
@@jmcbango nobody uses typhlosion though.
I'm sorry, but counting STAB in damage calculations is just silly! Most moves are fired off of STAB, unless maybe you're playing Gen 7 singles and you want to use an all out attacking Mewtwo or something. In VGC the only non-STAB moves are like U-Turn and Fake Out. And STAB is something that's naturally easy to account for, moves just FEEL stromger when you know they match type, so ounting STAB is misleading, it make the move appear stronger than it actually is, cos we already assume in the head that from a Normal type Facade is gonna be stronger, so instead of thinking of it as roughly 2 times stronger than your average Return, you think of it as a pre nerf Explosion rivalling nuke, which it isn't.
Pokemon being so sexist (joking) in not giving Illumise Tail Glow, it would still be bad but would have a small niche since it has a better Special Attack stat
P sure it was for lore reasons. If you look closely, illumise doesnt actually have a bulb on its tail
That's like saying nature is sexist , coz it is because of lore
I think the same case could be make for Aura sphere. It's always a move related to Lucario. But a lot of pokemon can learn it. Weirdly enough the standar set for special Iron Valiant in random battles is Calm Mind, Moonblast, Psychic and close combat. Even thought it learns aura sphere. And the other pokemon that I have seen using it, is Archaludon and sometimes armarouge
CC usually does more damage to the mons it would want to use Aura Sphere against, Aura Sphere is weak as hell
@@maxlimit9129 we need a better fighting special move. And some special fighting attacker
@@maxlimit9129Why is Aura Sphere seen as weak when it’s the same base power as Shadow Ball? (not seen as weak)
@@carucath97 because close combat is stronger.
Every pokemon that can use aura sphere, cam learn close combat, and since game freak always goes the route of:
"Special fighting types, no. Better if they are mix attacker"
Another example is Kommo-o. Throat spray sets are super popular, however close combat (or even drain punch to recover) still hits harder
shadow ball is weak but ghost is one of the most spammable offensive types in gen 9 due to the steel nerf in gen 6 and the removal of pursuit in gen 8
Facade on ursaluna being being signature? Pffft, raticate did that years ago
Don't forget zangoose.
Yeah, but they all do less damage.
True
@@frozenherolp9077 It is less about "whom is the best at it" but it is more a matter of "Is that strategy viable with said pokemon at the tier they play in".
@@Undermine5 no, this video is about VGC, not about Smogon singles. And ursaluna is pretty much the only common Mon that runs facade outside of reg H, which didn't even come out yet.
Facade's text was right but your phrasing wasn't, Sleep doesn't boost facade. Sorry for being that guy😭😭
Pfft... Electro drift? Volt switch is the real miridon signature move
Where is metagross meteor mash
That was an actual signature not psuedo, and now you have lucario who can make decent use of it too
Spore Facade and expanding force are not signatures at all. they are very common moves on a select few mons
That's why they are pseudo-signatures
@@sshadowzlmao yes with expanding force, the other mons that run the other moves are super rare though.
I still consider Sceptile’s Leaf Blade as its signature move, even though other Mons got it.
It can’t even make use of it post Gen 3 cos its a physical move 😢
Okay it might be the fact that I’m a nuzlocker who is just intrigued by the intricacies of competitive rather than someone who actually does competitive but facade was always Swellow’s pseudo signature move to me. Wow nuzlockes and competitive really are different aren’t they…? fascinating
Facade is really just a pseudo-signature move of Guts mons
@@nourizz
In gen6 and 7 ubers mega salamence sometimes ran facade to be able to dish out good damage even after getting burned from ho-oh sacred fire.
Just a cool fact i thought i would mention
Swellow is not in Scarlet/Violet and this video is Scarlet/Violet focused
@@x_bell1142 oh did I miss that? sorry
Squawkabilly also learn FAcade plus normal type plus Guts
The funny thing about the lake trio being able to learn expanding force is that because their only ability is Levitate, they can't use psychic terrain to boost it
Yes, I did mention that in the video
I'm going to say Flame Orb Alolan Golem with Galvanize as the ability using Facade.
Lmao this is heat
@@sithshi9918 I think you wanna use toxic orb since flame orb cuts your attack in half.
@@justdominik9812 true but I have curse, protect and body press as the rest of the move set.
Some of these are format dependent ie spore and facade most normal guts pokemon have facade urserluna is just the one available and good in gen 9 same with spore breloom was good now it's completely powercrept.
I think quiver dance is almost the pseudo signature move of Volcarona
The only other real users of it are Pheromosa and Lilligant. Idk a lot about competitive pokemon i might be talking out of my ass
4:06 70 × 2 + (70 × 1.5) + (70 × 1.5) is giving me 350 base power not 315
70 BP, x2 cause status is 140, x1.5 is 210, x1.5 is 315.
70x2 + (70x1.5) + (70x1.5) is an incorrect notation for the problem. If we undistribute the 70, we get 70 x (2+1.5+1.5), which is 70x5, or 350. The way these bonuses work is that they combine multiplicatively, as in the multiply together, not add. If we multiply the bonuses, we get 70x2x1.5x1.5, which compresses to 70x4.5, not 70x5, which is 315.
@@ShadowPhoenix4798 on first glance, someone might think that 2 "70" is correct, wich you can wright it that way, but 3 "70" is where it all got downhill.
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Just 315? Tera Normal makes it 420. In a Double Battle with a partner with Poison Powder, so that he can hold a Silk Scarf, even more powerful. Any more suggestions on increasing that power?
@@juanca2567 swap silk scarf for choice band, helping hand
@@ShadowPhoenix4798 depends. What does more damage? Life Orb or Choice Band?
@@juanca2567 choice band is 1.5x, life orb is 1.3x, so choice band.
@@juanca2567 theres also swagger to get it to +6 atk, if we want to include that
@@ShadowPhoenix4798I was going to say Belly Drum, and Ursaluna holds a one use item. The partner holds the Choice Band and needs to have Fling/Switcheroo/Trick, Helping Hand, Poison Powder/Poison Gas/Will-o-wisp (does burn or normal poison do more damage?), and Heal Pulse/Pollen Puff. Does any Pokémon fit that criteria?
In Nuzlockes, Facade is Swellow's signature move.
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I would say dragon darts is the pseudo signature move of dragapult. No explanation needed, it simply is
Thats a pure signature move. Its literally the only mon who gets it. Hence why moves like make it rain or aeroblast arent on the list
Superpower is pretty much exclusively used on Lurantis because of contrary.
Also on malamar and enamorous for the same reason and in older gens on stuff like Scizor because close combat wasn’t as widespread
You have zero idea what your talking about, no one uses lurantis, a much better example would of beeen ogerpon
@@amirrbah167 You have no idea what you are talking about. Nobody uses superpower on ogerpon. At least Lurantis actually uses the move.
@@implying8903 you have zero ideo what you are talking about, ogerpon runs superpower 60% of the time to counter Incineroar, nobody ever uses lurantis, it has 0.02% usage...
@@justdominik9812Pseudo signature moves exist outside of perfectly optimized competitive strategies as well. Non meta relevant pokemon can also have a pseudo signature move. Ogerpon doesn't really have a cool and unique strategy with superpower, it just needs something to counter incineroar. Lurantis actually uses the move to do something unique with it. Superpower Lurantis is not a popular choice for winning but the move has a unique identity on Lurantis specifically, which is more important to me. We have different expectations of what a pseudo signature move should look like because we play the game differently. And there is nothing wrong with that.
Sacred Fire on Entei bc you're generally not using ho-oh in restricted formats, but like in reg G Entei paired well with Chien Pao