There are other focus sash, life orb, flame orb and light clay users. When you think power herb you think geomancy and when you think Xerneas you think power herb. I think this is the strongest case for Pseudo-signature items it’s just not in Scar/Violent
@@swiftcultist1270 252+ SpA Mystic Water Tera Water Kyogre Origin Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Blissey in Rain: 338-398 (47.3 - 55.7%) -- 78.5% chance to 2HKO
This video is more about the best users of certain items and I still hold that Chien-Pao is the best user of the focus sash. I absolutely would have included Gliscor if I was doing singles entries too, but wanted to specifically focus on VGC for this video.
Life Orb and Focus Sash are used on so many other mons in BSS/VGC, that's kinda stupid to call them pseudo-signature items. It's like saying Choice Scarf is the pseudo-signature item of Urshifu when Landorus Therian, Latios, Meowscarada exist for instance, or Energy Booster is the pseudo-signature item of Flutter Mane when it's also used on Iron Valiant, Raging Bolt and Iron Boulder as well. Because they're the most used doesn't mean they're the only relevant ones.
That's why I felt the need to say that these are more like the best users of certain items and I still hold that Landorus-I and Chien-Pao are the best users of the Life Orb and Focus Sash
While what you said in the video is correct, and so therefore I have no corrections to do with the choices, because they make sense with the rules you laid out (unlike some of my fellow commenters), the rules you laid out do seem a bit weird. To me, "pseudo-signature" kinda implies very limited distribution, or in this case, use. I feel it's a little bit peculiar to define "pseudo-signature" items as those that use it with the highest frequency, and more so should define it as just niche items that have very few notable users. So you could use Gliscor for toxic orb because of Poison heal, as there are basically no other Pokémon that run it (sorry flareon, I meant good Pokémon)
Great idea for a video, but idk if the rules you put for the definition, or if the choices you made for the pokemon, were the best. Your usual videos are much higher quality than this one.
Yes. Facade increases to 140 base power if you’re inflicted with status. It is a move and is separate from the Guts ability which further increases Facade’s power to 210.
@@butteredsalmonella I think Guts boosts the ATK-Stat and not the basepower of the move. It is a slight difference, but pkmn rounds down wich would effect the Atk stat and not the base power.
Sash on Chien-Pao is mad crazy!? Most teams have a sash user in VGC. Most teams do not have the Pao.. idk what you were cooking 💀 EDIT: Bro said Life Orb is a signature item of L incarnate bro what?! 😭 - Sure is it better on SF Pokémon ofc but signature hell nah!
For Maushold Give him Nature adamant Ability technician Item : Wide lens Teracrystal (ghost) 104 ev in p.v and 31 Iv 140 ev in attack and 31 iv 120 ev in defense and 31 iv 0 ev in spe. Att and 0 iv 100 ev in spe. Def and 31 iv 44 ev in speed and 31 iv So Maushold is now 131 in p.v 141 in attack (+10%) 131 in defense 65 in spe. Att. (-10%) 131 in spe. Def 153 in speed Moves 1 - Population Bomb 2 - Play rough 3 - U-turn 4 - Shadow Claw.
@ilexdiapason English is not my first language, and I have learn with japanese manga fan translate in english, because that translation was faster than for my maternal language that is french.
How does the total expected base power on population bomb exceed the expected base power of a max power population bomb? If you assume that you would land every hit, would the expected base power not be the same as a the 10 hit population bomb if not a hair less due to the chance of less damage?
It doesn't - I'm not sure what numbers you are looking at. If you assume that you land every hit, yes the expected base power would just be 200 but I am not making that assumption in the calculation.
Toxic Orb for sure is a good one and I actually included that originally but left it off as it is much more singles focused and I wanted to orient this video specifically for doubles. Loaded Dice Baxcalibur is a good one too, but I would say I associate Throat Spray more with Farigiraf and Bloodmoon Ursaluna
@x_bell1142 despite the association, I'd still use komo-o for throat spray since, for fraigiraf and BM Ursaluna, spray isn't always the item they want, and komo-o usually only ever wants spray or maybe Leftovers. (Clagorous scales is a sound move)
Focus sash doesn’t deserve to be a “pseudo signature items” since I can at least mention 6 mons which are able to use it and some of them are mostly played with the sash. Pelipper, Urshifu, Flutter mane, Sneasler, Chi Yu, Iron bundle and of course chien pao. There are some other niche mons that can use it from past regulations like Mewoscarada or Quaquaval, as well as some mons that were not always the greatest, but they are useful with a Sash like Flamigo and Tatsugiri
I am defining "pseudo-signature" quite differently in this video than the last two videos. It is more along the lines of the best user of a certain item, and I would still argue that Chien-Pao is the best user of the Focus Sash
5:54 Klefki more than Sableye I would think would use light clay Power Herb Geomancy Xerneas (Glimmora and Archaludon honorable mentions) Toxic Orb Gliscor Safety Goggles Zapdos Air Balloon Shedinja (Terra Electric) this ones an ultra gimmick though Weakness Policy coalossal
I would have to disagree with the last take, especially in reg H, ursaluna blood moon should be with Landorus. It uses it so much and I haven’t seen one without a life orb. And you can compare it to torkoal, where it’s the best item it wants to use, since it gets damage and protect.
I am defining pseudo-signature much more loosely in this video to the point where it's mostly just referring to the best user of a certain item, and I would still argue that Chien-Pao is the best user of the Focus Sash
@x_bell1142 I would argue whimsicott is the best user considering it will never live a hit and can't use another item to boost damage effectively whereas chienpao can still use items like the life orb or choice band
@@enderdoctor7631 Using the usage numbers from Pikalytics for Reg H, Focus Sash isn't even Whimsicott's most used item, it's Covert Cloak. Meanwhile, if you look at the numbers from any VGC format where Chien-Pao is legal, Focus Sash is its highest used item. If you have a team with both Chien-Pao and Whimsicott, you're putting the Focus Sash on Chien-Pao.
I am defining "pseudo-signature" quite differently in this video than the last two videos. It is more along the lines of the best user of a certain item, and I would still argue that Chien-Pao is the best user of the Focus Sash.
I am defining "pseudo-signature" quite differently in this video than the last two videos. It is more along the lines of the best user of a certain item, and I would still argue that Chien-Pao is the best user of the Focus Sash
@@6969SarazzHey it made it day 2 at worlds although with a rocky helmet set. Also won worlds in 2010 if that matters xD I just made this comment when I saw first part of this video and he mentioned stuff like drifblim so I thought hariyama would be eligible. But then I saw focus sash in part 2 on chien pao.
-Mystic Water on Urshifu and Palafin -Evoilite for Porygon-2 -Sitrus Berry for Incineroar -Assult Vest for Rillaboom -Rocky Helmet for Amoonguss -Psychic Seeds for Indeedee
Is there anything wrong with having a video specifically focused on Gen 9? Did I not mention in the context that this video is exclusively focused on Scarlet and Violet?
Didn't you already release this video and it was also nonsense then? Like none of these items are solely linked with these pokes. Flame is for all guts users that existed long before ursaluna. It's just showing ignorance of the history of the game
I am defining "pseudo-signature" quite differently in this video than the last two videos. It is more along the lines of the best user of a certain item and these Pokémon are the best users of certain items.
Powerherb for Xerneas has got to be my honourable mention
Lunala uses it a lot. Glimmora too
Nah cause meteorbeam users and archaludon
And some armarouge sets
Theres way to many power herb users
There are other focus sash, life orb, flame orb and light clay users. When you think power herb you think geomancy and when you think Xerneas you think power herb. I think this is the strongest case for Pseudo-signature items it’s just not in Scar/Violent
pretty sure "focus sash" is the signature item of Rattata
FEAR ratata. Thanks for unlocking a 10+ year memory
Rattata does have an awesome stash
Kid Named Dragapult:
True
sash
my extra picks
- iron ball/lagging tail on grimmsnarl
- mystic water on urshifu-rapid
- power herb on xerneas
- terrain seeds on sneasler
A lot of Pokemon uses seeds. Indeedee and heck regionals just now had a corviknight who used it
kyogre uses mystic water often ish
and meteor beam pokemon use power herb
@@swiftcultist1270 252+ SpA Mystic Water Tera Water Kyogre Origin Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Blissey in Rain: 338-398 (47.3 - 55.7%) -- 78.5% chance to 2HKO
power herb also sees use on archaludon using electro shot and glimmora using meteor beam
I would remove chien pao as there are to many good users of it, and would include gliscor with toxic orb as you also had it in the signiture ability
Gliscor was never relevant in VGC as far as I can remember, which is the major condition for this video.
This video is more about the best users of certain items and I still hold that Chien-Pao is the best user of the focus sash. I absolutely would have included Gliscor if I was doing singles entries too, but wanted to specifically focus on VGC for this video.
@@x_bell1142 weavile and sneasler
Life Orb and Focus Sash are used on so many other mons in BSS/VGC, that's kinda stupid to call them pseudo-signature items. It's like saying Choice Scarf is the pseudo-signature item of Urshifu when Landorus Therian, Latios, Meowscarada exist for instance, or Energy Booster is the pseudo-signature item of Flutter Mane when it's also used on Iron Valiant, Raging Bolt and Iron Boulder as well. Because they're the most used doesn't mean they're the only relevant ones.
That's why I felt the need to say that these are more like the best users of certain items and I still hold that Landorus-I and Chien-Pao are the best users of the Life Orb and Focus Sash
Next vid: Pseudo signature types
Stellar Tera type?
Ground flying is 100% landorus-Therian and dragon ground is 100% garchomp
@@Ecdemaniac gliscor does NOT approve this statement. and neither does zygarde. flygon also said something but tbh i wasnt listening
@@Ecdemaniacgligar and flygon?
Pseudo-signature Pokemon - ones that have only seen success when used by a single player
Poison orb on Glyscor is a layup pick, it’s like it was made for them
True, I originally was going to include Gliscor, but I wanted to focus specifically on doubles oriented entries
As someone who watches playthroughs, I associate the Flame Orb with Swellow instead.
In playthroughs, I could definitely see that
While what you said in the video is correct, and so therefore I have no corrections to do with the choices, because they make sense with the rules you laid out (unlike some of my fellow commenters), the rules you laid out do seem a bit weird.
To me, "pseudo-signature" kinda implies very limited distribution, or in this case, use. I feel it's a little bit peculiar to define "pseudo-signature" items as those that use it with the highest frequency, and more so should define it as just niche items that have very few notable users. So you could use Gliscor for toxic orb because of Poison heal, as there are basically no other Pokémon that run it (sorry flareon, I meant good Pokémon)
I would say a toxic orb could be considered a pseudo signature item for poison heal gliscor
I was going to include this but I decided to leave out singles entries to make it less confusing
Great video! I'm pretty shocked power herb archaludon or xerneas didn't make the list (even considering xerneas due to not being available in SV lol)
I was actually thinking about mentioning this, but then I remember that Power Herb Meteor Beam Glimmora and Lunala sets were quite common
Great idea for a video, but idk if the rules you put for the definition, or if the choices you made for the pokemon, were the best. Your usual videos are much higher quality than this one.
Honorable mention covert cloak Tornadus-I. Also uses sash but I've mostly seen covert cloak for immediate tailwind.
Great as always!!!
throat spray and toxtricity is crazy
@@TrippyAxis throat spray has decent use with the best one being farigiraf for sure
@@jaysongoldsborough9889 oo neat
you're growing so fast! it's all deserved
Thanks!
Toxic orb for Gliscor in singles.
Great video! Love it!
Don’t know how often he’s used in SC VGC, but toxic orb gliscor would definitely fit the criteria for this video.
Gliscor was originally on my list, but I decided to leave off any singles entries since I wanted to focus specifically on doubles
Conkelder often uses flame orb and Sableye uses light clay
True, but this video is more about the best users of those items, and I would argue that Conkeldurr and Sableye are not the best users of those items
Pretty good list, but definitely wouldn't put Chien-Pao on here. There are a lot of other mons that use sash, such as Flutter Mane and Smeargle
I would still argue that Chien-Pao is still the best user of the Focus Sash though
Nah flame orb is so much more related to conkeldurr, bro was a menace back in back in sm and ss.
But this video is focused on sv
This video is purely Scarlet and Violet focused where this is not the case
@@x_bell1142 ah ok then
There were times when conkeldurr used iron fist, but you don't see ursaluna outside guts
sick video, commenting for the algorithm
Thanks
Conkeldurr is usually my pick for flame orb. It gets priority mach punch and a ton of coverage, and can terra normal for stab facade too
I thought facade goes to 200% or doubles in power with inflicted with a status condition
Yes. Facade increases to 140 base power if you’re inflicted with status. It is a move and is separate from the Guts ability which further increases Facade’s power to 210.
@@butteredsalmonellayeesh, that's a lotta damage.
@@butteredsalmonella I think Guts boosts the ATK-Stat and not the basepower of the move. It is a slight difference, but pkmn rounds down wich would effect the Atk stat and not the base power.
@@frozenherolp9077Its effectively the same though. Stab also gives 1.5x attack, but you can see it as base power
@@jul1us787 aslong as your atk stat ends with an even number, yes. If odd then it´s slightly weaker, but yeah essentially the same.
You could also use Flame Orb with Magic Guard Pokemon to have a 100% accurate Will -O Wisp with Psycho shift
I love King’s Rock Maushold
Thanks!
Loved Thick Club on Alolan Marowak back in gen 7!
Never played gen 7 competitive, but Huge Power as an item sounds insane
Sash on Chien-Pao is mad crazy!? Most teams have a sash user in VGC. Most teams do not have the Pao.. idk what you were cooking 💀
EDIT: Bro said Life Orb is a signature item of L incarnate bro what?! 😭 - Sure is it better on SF Pokémon ofc but signature hell nah!
I did not say that it is a signature item, I said that it is a pseudo-signature item.
For Maushold Give him
Nature adamant
Ability technician
Item : Wide lens
Teracrystal (ghost)
104 ev in p.v and 31 Iv
140 ev in attack and 31 iv
120 ev in defense and 31 iv
0 ev in spe. Att and 0 iv
100 ev in spe. Def and 31 iv
44 ev in speed and 31 iv
So Maushold is now
131 in p.v
141 in attack (+10%)
131 in defense
65 in spe. Att. (-10%)
131 in spe. Def
153 in speed
Moves
1 - Population Bomb
2 - Play rough
3 - U-turn
4 - Shadow Claw.
"him" there's four of them
@ilexdiapason English is not my first language, and I have learn with japanese manga fan translate in english, because that translation was faster than for my maternal language that is french.
None come to my mind… light ball for pikachu made it a viable glass cannon, idk. Eevium z (or whatever it is)with extreme evoboost is excellent
but those are actual signature items, not pseudo-signature.
@@narwhalz02 I mean yeah ig
My maushold was set up with 2 tidy ups and then missed population bombs first hit. I haven’t used them since.
That is unfortunate
How does the total expected base power on population bomb exceed the expected base power of a max power population bomb? If you assume that you would land every hit, would the expected base power not be the same as a the 10 hit population bomb if not a hair less due to the chance of less damage?
It doesn't - I'm not sure what numbers you are looking at. If you assume that you land every hit, yes the expected base power would just be 200 but I am not making that assumption in the calculation.
toxic orb gliscor
throat spray kommo-o
loaded dice baxcalibur
Toxic Orb for sure is a good one and I actually included that originally but left it off as it is much more singles focused and I wanted to orient this video specifically for doubles. Loaded Dice Baxcalibur is a good one too, but I would say I associate Throat Spray more with Farigiraf and Bloodmoon Ursaluna
@x_bell1142 despite the association, I'd still use komo-o for throat spray since, for fraigiraf and BM Ursaluna, spray isn't always the item they want, and komo-o usually only ever wants spray or maybe Leftovers. (Clagorous scales is a sound move)
Focus sash doesn’t deserve to be a “pseudo signature items” since I can at least mention 6 mons which are able to use it and some of them are mostly played with the sash. Pelipper, Urshifu, Flutter mane, Sneasler, Chi Yu, Iron bundle and of course chien pao. There are some other niche mons that can use it from past regulations like Mewoscarada or Quaquaval, as well as some mons that were not always the greatest, but they are useful with a Sash like Flamigo and Tatsugiri
I am defining "pseudo-signature" quite differently in this video than the last two videos. It is more along the lines of the best user of a certain item, and I would still argue that Chien-Pao is the best user of the Focus Sash
What’s next pseudo pokemon
So Pokerus ?
True
Like pokemon associated with certain players?
VGC is unpredictable and you'll find there no longer is pseudo signatures anymore. lol Someone will run Flame Orb Milotic and make it work. lol
I wouldn't doubt it
7:50 clicks tidy up
Gliscor with toxic orb
Idk that about sheer force. My feralligator has the ability sheer force and I have all the moves he can learn that has secondary conditions.
5:54 Klefki more than Sableye I would think would use light clay
Power Herb Geomancy Xerneas (Glimmora and Archaludon honorable mentions)
Toxic Orb Gliscor
Safety Goggles Zapdos
Air Balloon Shedinja (Terra Electric) this ones an ultra gimmick though
Weakness Policy coalossal
I would argue that charcoal can also be used on hisui typhlosion.
True, it is also a good user of Charcoal
Such a nice comment
Thanks
Black Sludge Toxapex
I would have to disagree with the last take, especially in reg H, ursaluna blood moon should be with Landorus. It uses it so much and I haven’t seen one without a life orb. And you can compare it to torkoal, where it’s the best item it wants to use, since it gets damage and protect.
I feel like it is not really fair to use Reg H usage though because Landorus is banned
focus sash is way too versatile of an item to call it even pseudo signature as flitter mane, whimsicott and many other mons used it
I am defining pseudo-signature much more loosely in this video to the point where it's mostly just referring to the best user of a certain item, and I would still argue that Chien-Pao is the best user of the Focus Sash
@x_bell1142 I would argue whimsicott is the best user considering it will never live a hit and can't use another item to boost damage effectively whereas chienpao can still use items like the life orb or choice band
@@enderdoctor7631 Using the usage numbers from Pikalytics for Reg H, Focus Sash isn't even Whimsicott's most used item, it's Covert Cloak. Meanwhile, if you look at the numbers from any VGC format where Chien-Pao is legal, Focus Sash is its highest used item. If you have a team with both Chien-Pao and Whimsicott, you're putting the Focus Sash on Chien-Pao.
We just not going to talk about Klefki?
If you're talking about Light Clay for setting screens, I would definitely say Klefki is good for that too
sash chien pao is a stretch ngl
I am defining "pseudo-signature" quite differently in this video than the last two videos. It is more along the lines of the best user of a certain item, and I would still argue that Chien-Pao is the best user of the Focus Sash.
gamer
gamer
Give us Mega Maushold!
Give it to us!
My first compy Sheer Force Life Orb Nidoking would like to disagree with you.
toxic orb for gliscor come on (even tho its banned)
Yeah focus sash is not a pseudo signature item that’s an item in every team whether chien pao is there or not
I am defining "pseudo-signature" quite differently in this video than the last two videos. It is more along the lines of the best user of a certain item, and I would still argue that Chien-Pao is the best user of the Focus Sash
gliscor
If you're talking about Gliscor with Toxic Orb, that was on my original list but I excluded it since Gliscor is more of a singles mon than doubles
R Kelly's sheets
Guts hariyama?
Nobody on earth is using hariyama bro 😔
@@6969SarazzHey it made it day 2 at worlds although with a rocky helmet set. Also won worlds in 2010 if that matters xD
I just made this comment when I saw first part of this video and he mentioned stuff like drifblim so I thought hariyama would be eligible. But then I saw focus sash in part 2 on chien pao.
Glimmora uses Focus sash in singles a lot
He said in the beginning of the video he was only focusing on VGC
Too bad the video ain't about singles.
@@Drift_Potato402 that's why I said IN SINGLES 😅😅
@@omegafinisher845 ik
-Mystic Water on Urshifu and Palafin
-Evoilite for Porygon-2
-Sitrus Berry for Incineroar
-Assult Vest for Rillaboom
-Rocky Helmet for Amoonguss
-Psychic Seeds for Indeedee
Safety goggles on incineroar
Ye
Heyo
Hey
This whole video screams "I know nothing about pokemon before generation 8".
Is there anything wrong with having a video specifically focused on Gen 9? Did I not mention in the context that this video is exclusively focused on Scarlet and Violet?
yeah, not like he literally said he was focusing on gen 9 vgc because it's what he knows best...
Excuse me? FLAME ORB is ursalunas psuedo signature item? Bro swellow with flame orb quite literally outclasses char and zard
Char and zard
It literally doesn’t plus specs swello is better
Literally... no? Like it's probably decent (if anyone is tryna use Swellow for some reason) but it doesn't even compare to Freddy Fazbear
Char and zard
@@pewdewpiebridge It does though in singles
:D
:D
Population bomb should be nerf in next gen, its way too strong right now
True
Didn't you already release this video and it was also nonsense then?
Like none of these items are solely linked with these pokes. Flame is for all guts users that existed long before ursaluna. It's just showing ignorance of the history of the game
I am defining "pseudo-signature" quite differently in this video than the last two videos. It is more along the lines of the best user of a certain item and these Pokémon are the best users of certain items.
This video sucks. 😂
This comment sucks