You're the first person that I've heard say, 100% grip from both hands. I think that's awesome!!! I grip as tightly as I can, without shaking. This even helps people that have a flinch. They feel like they have a more confident grip on the gun, and will make a "dry fire type" trigger break, without worrying about recoil.
When I was in the academy one instructor, a SWAT guy, told the class “shoot to stop the threat, when they move they’re a threat” and “every time I shoot them they move”. To this day I’m not sure when the teaching stopped and the humor began.
Happy to see that FNS in this video. One of the best videos on handgun grip I have seen. I wish while on active duty they would have given much better handgun instruction and training.
Very good demo. Last summer at the range I was a little tired and noticed that I used the same posture that you present here. I quickly went back to the lock all joints which helped me pick up the target quicker. However time between shots was longer. Being tired I naturally went to your demonstrated posture and I noticed that I could come back on target quicker. Not only that felt recoil was much less. I just hope that when I go to the range I remember your demo. Great job.
Thank you for making this video. I watch this video and put it into (deliberate) practice the past four times I've been at the range and I see a massive Improvement in my accuracy. Since I have made that "vice" like grip I have mitigated a lot of my flinching.
Your videos are awesome. I have watched pretty much pretty much every video you have put out. I definitely want to get some training Under your instruction. thanks for the informative videos.
Great information! Thank you for posting. It's like taking a class w/o the price. (Not that a video takes the place of actual training, but u know what I mean). Thanks again!!
vemboboy I just watched one of his videos, where he talks about trigger control some. He believes that if you are holding the gun firmly enough, 100% with both hands, that's there no way that one finger should be able to manipulate the gun, unless we allow that to happen. Makes a lot of sense to me. I think he's a great instructor. He brings up things that others don't. And it makes sense to me.
Fairly new subscriber so I've been checking out some of your past videos. I love how informative and detailed your instructional videos are and, obviously, your marksmanship. ...Especially as you seem to be doing it all with the wrong primary hand. LOL
One example of a "light" grip being correct is golfing. Completely agree on the full grip strength on a handgun, just thought id give you that example.
I shot handguns for years without great accuracy. It wasn't until I placed more pressure laterally with my support hand than with my strong hand that I was able to keep the front sight stationary while pulling the trigger. I don't do push pull, I apply pressure sidewise and down using both hands with greater pressure exerted by the support hand
it's a problem for most of us, so don't feel bad. Shooting pistol is so damn hard. You think you're starting to improve, then you go back to the range after almost a 2 week break and you suck again. haha
I use a grip sorta like Massad Ayoob explains with the thumb down and the other straight out to help with control, I find a tighter grip and easier landing for the straight finger, wIsh I had a cut to land that finger. Good video thanks.
Ppl really need to watch alot of different video's on recoil control, I see alot of these guys do it differently and some are so used to what they do that they don't mention some things their doing. Then practice what technique works for you, that inward pressure from the side's is key.
Good suggestion to test yourself with different cover garments. Mitigating recoil started with me switching from .40 cal to 9mm after 20 yrs+ of comp shooting. Improving my grip with lots of practice is over due now.
@SageDynamics: Great video! I've got above average strength grip, but I've been working on it to help try to mitigate recoil even more. I noticed my groups go from 2-3" at a moderate pace, to 6" at a fast pace--AND I tend to pull the gun low-left. I also adopted a style of grip where I "pinch" the gun between my support thumb and index finger, and apply a lot of pressure, definitely using the support to apply most of the pressure. I'll try "equal" this week. **As an aside, what barrel is that in the Agency (I didn't see the S3F logo--just wondering if another barrel review is coming!).
@2:00 you kinda flap your elbows a little bit and do it repeatedly in the video. in my time in the army i’ve noticed most people develop that habit subconsciously to adjust their uniform
I've had a ranger officer tell me to use 70 percent support hand with thumb on the slide, and 30 with the primary hand, also pulling the trigger from the part of your finger opposite the cuticle.
I was watching a ton of grip related videos a while back. And the one person [don't remember who] was talking about grip pressure. He mentioned that a lot of instructors say don't use a "death" grip on the gun. And as you pointed out, that's easy to do on a range when their isn't an imminent threat. But then he mentioned about being in a life or death situation. Like being in bed at night and someone breaks into your house and is heading towards your kid's room. With your adrenaline pumping and being scared, you probably are going to have a death grip. So he said you should also train with a death grip, on top of normal training. What's your take?
I noticed that you have a lot of muscle dexterity which would enable you to perform so well. No doubt a great athlete. I have noticed I guy who was bones with skin on them. Looked more like a corpse. He shot just as fast but not quite as accurate. So. Learning your technique will help out the geek as well as the Olympian.
Hey Aaron, thank you for all of the helpful info I hope to get the opportunity to take one of your classes one day. My question today is, what distance should I practice my fundamentals. I got laughed at at the range (not that I care really) for shooting a target at 3 yards. I thought this was a good starting point. What's your take?
What would you recommend for people with small hands? If I get a good purchase on the gun, and fill in the rest of the area with my support hand, my thumb can’t even reach the shelf. (Glock 19) my thumb is just passed the take down, so I can barely get the thumb on the ledge. I’m assuming the thumb on the ledge will help best if further forward. correct? Any advice is appreciated! Love the videos!
Great info man! Thanks for another great video! Quick question, when you practice your draw in the morning, are you unloading the gun? Or relying on the other safety rules?
What would you recommend for someone with larger hands, I have really long fingers and when I hold my gun with my primary hand, there isn't a big open space for the heel of my support hand. I measured and between my middle finger and heel there is 1/8", ring finger and heel is 1/4", then a big 1" Gap from pinky. So when I try to place my support hand there, it just sits on top of my fingers, or i have to loosen the grip of my primary hand to make room for it. I've always just placed my support hand over my primary hand as it is, without moving the thumb of my support hand up and out of the way. This is with all of my double stack guns (sphinx sdp compact, walther p99), my FN 5.7 has a larger grip and I can get a little more room, but still only an added 1/4" to the above numbers. Even when I raise my thumb up of primary hand, there is only 1/2" from my finger tips to the rear of the grip. Do you think it's more important to keep my primary hand fully griping the gun and place my support hand on the fingers, or bend my fingers a little to get my support hand heel on the gun? Thanks for any suggestions.
MDeJo2010 thought I would give my two cents (really only worth 1 though). I really like mine. My eyes are getting old and it helps. Make sure you get the contrast. Also my front sight lost its glow about 3 weeks after installation. The customer service was great. Got the replacement in less than a week. They told me one reason they did the TFX was evidently this is/was a common problem.
one of these days I'm going to buy one of those agency arms pistol so things look so badass the only bad part is the prices but that's what you need to pay for performance
I agree with every i f I’m this video but one, hockey does have separate grips, top hand grips and controls bottom hand is lose and guides to stick handle... just sayin haha love the content though great teaching points
I have been more interested in studying your catalog of videos than doing my homework...to be fair it's law, and this past week was tort law and I did not enjoy it as much as criminal law.
Ive watched all your videos, so that means im sage certified right? lol... Out of curiosity are you still having a funamentals class in ashville, OH this up coming month?
Every time when I shoot slow, my shots are going to the left(right hand shooter)... but the faster I shoot, the tighter the group is and the shots are all centered at my point of aim...
It's been 3 years, but maybe it'll help someone else. Occupy your head with something simple like singing the abc or a lullaby. Your mind got something to do and the shot and recoil is more in the background. Don't call it stupid until you try.
The info in these videos is awesome... except the references of shooting people! I shoot targets. I know that if I'm efficient enough at shooting targets, and some idiot wants to break into my house, I'd have no issue accepting his invitation to becoming one of my targets!! But my main goal is not to shoot people, like these videos describe... On a totally unrelated note... I wonder why there are so many school and mall mass shootings in the US. And I also wonder how many are stopped by law abiding citizens with open or concealed carry... I still appreciate the info in these videos, and will utilize them to improve my skills...
You're the first person that I've heard say, 100% grip from both hands. I think that's awesome!!! I grip as tightly as I can, without shaking. This even helps people that have a flinch. They feel like they have a more confident grip on the gun, and will make a "dry fire type" trigger break, without worrying about recoil.
Best logical and pragmatically driven channel on tactical carbine and handgun. Thanks man.
When I was in the academy one instructor, a SWAT guy, told the class “shoot to stop the threat, when they move they’re a threat” and “every time I shoot them they move”. To this day I’m not sure when the teaching stopped and the humor began.
great video as always
Indeed.
Indeed.
As a Law enforcement officer you're videos are top notch!! I appreciate everything you do and have learned tons from you. Thank you
I love how you angle the camera behind the target, it's always cool to see.
Excellent teacher that doesn´t waste our time, among the best and certainly underrated.
Happy to see that FNS in this video. One of the best videos on handgun grip I have seen. I wish while on active duty they would have given much better handgun instruction and training.
Claymore no joke. I got to shoot the m9 once
Very good demo. Last summer at the range I was a little tired and noticed that I used the same posture that you present here. I quickly went back to the lock all joints which helped me pick up the target quicker. However time between shots was longer. Being tired I naturally went to your demonstrated posture and I noticed that I could come back on target quicker. Not only that felt recoil was much less. I just hope that when I go to the range I remember your demo. Great job.
glockstore has an extension bar that gives you a solid ledge for your thumb..Might have to give it a try now
Excellent presentation and instruction. Thanks for posting!
This is one of the best explanations of pistol grip. I apreciate a lot your videos and your effort, thank you Aaron.
Thank you for making this video. I watch this video and put it into (deliberate) practice the past four times I've been at the range and I see a massive Improvement in my accuracy. Since I have made that "vice" like grip I have mitigated a lot of my flinching.
The way you break it down and explain is excellent ,thank you sir
Straight and to the point, great resource.
Your videos are awesome. I have watched pretty much pretty much every video you have put out. I definitely want to get some training Under your instruction. thanks for the informative videos.
Great information! Thank you for posting. It's like taking a class w/o the price. (Not that a video takes the place of actual training, but u know what I mean). Thanks again!!
Great advice. I tried to explain a lot of this to a new shooter last week. Next time I'll just show them this.
Do a video on trigger control and dry fire drills
vemboboy I just watched one of his videos, where he talks about trigger control some. He believes that if you are holding the gun firmly enough, 100% with both hands, that's there no way that one finger should be able to manipulate the gun, unless we allow that to happen. Makes a lot of sense to me. I think he's a great instructor. He brings up things that others don't. And it makes sense to me.
Eloquent, well spoken. I'm a lefty too! I appreciate your videos
Another awesome video, I do like the 'bloopers' at the end of some of the videos tho! Keep those coming!
Great content as always. Looking forward to another class soon!
Fairly new subscriber so I've been checking out some of your past videos. I love how informative and detailed your instructional videos are and, obviously, your marksmanship. ...Especially as you seem to be doing it all with the wrong primary hand. LOL
Thanks for the tips great way to grip feels so much better.
Yay!! Thank you!! I am happy there is captioning in this video!! Many thanks man!!
One example of a "light" grip being correct is golfing. Completely agree on the full grip strength on a handgun, just thought id give you that example.
How did I ever miss your channel. Liked and Subscribed.
Well done and well presented! Thanks
Aaron looks like he would be in Puddle of Mud or POD lol 90s rock/alternative
@@Pler1978 thank you. Turning on some limp bizkit now lmao
Excellent video! Thank you for sharing.
I shot handguns for years without great accuracy. It wasn't until I placed more pressure laterally with my support hand than with my strong hand that I was able to keep the front sight stationary while pulling the trigger. I don't do push pull, I apply pressure sidewise and down using both hands with greater pressure exerted by the support hand
Wow, you make so much sense! That's my problem... my grip and other issued you've talked about in your videos.
it's a problem for most of us, so don't feel bad. Shooting pistol is so damn hard. You think you're starting to improve, then you go back to the range after almost a 2 week break and you suck again. haha
Another great vid. Thanks Aaron!
Great video as always. Thank you
I use a grip sorta like Massad Ayoob explains with the thumb down and the other straight out to help with control, I find a tighter grip and easier landing for the straight finger, wIsh I had a cut to land that finger. Good video thanks.
Definitley wouldnt want to meet you in a handgun fight lol ...Great vid bud
I really enjoy your videos! You go into a LOT more detail than most people do, including myself. However nothing was accomplished by under-thinking :)
"I need to be basically ventilating their vascular system"... HAHA!
Great teaching. I can tell your doing something that you're passionate about.
Great video Aaron!
Ppl really need to watch alot of different video's on recoil control, I see alot of these guys do it differently and some are so used to what they do that they don't mention some things their doing. Then practice what technique works for you, that inward pressure from the side's is key.
Good thumb ledge.. I use two fingers on the trigger.. I think it keeps from inadvertently pulling to the side
Damn good recoil control.
Good suggestion to test yourself with different cover garments. Mitigating recoil started with me switching from .40 cal to 9mm after 20 yrs+ of comp shooting. Improving my grip with lots of practice is over due now.
Great video. Thank you
Sage ma man, awesome video. I have been doing 60:40 i guess thats why i couldnt hit shit lol. Thanks for the awesome vid
@SageDynamics:
Great video!
I've got above average strength grip, but I've been working on it to help try to mitigate recoil even more. I noticed my groups go from 2-3" at a moderate pace, to 6" at a fast pace--AND I tend to pull the gun low-left. I also adopted a style of grip where I "pinch" the gun between my support thumb and index finger, and apply a lot of pressure, definitely using the support to apply most of the pressure. I'll try "equal" this week.
**As an aside, what barrel is that in the Agency (I didn't see the S3F logo--just wondering if another barrel review is coming!).
@2:00 you kinda flap your elbows a little bit and do it repeatedly in the video. in my time in the army i’ve noticed most people develop that habit subconsciously to adjust their uniform
Man you aren’t wrong.
Very helpful. Thank you.
great vid man, thanks for all the 411
thanks 4 the video. great info. keep the videos coming.
Great video I just subscribed to your channel thanks For your help
Generally really great video, I really would be curious to what your thoughts are if you've taken the modern samurai project classes with Scott.
I know Scott and have been familiar with the grip method he teaches for a few decades. It works for many.
Great video as always. As always I feel like I need to start studying a dictionary
Thanks Aaron
I've had a ranger officer tell me to use 70 percent support hand with thumb on the slide, and 30 with the primary hand, also pulling the trigger from the part of your finger opposite the cuticle.
I was watching a ton of grip related videos a while back. And the one person [don't remember who] was talking about grip pressure. He mentioned that a lot of instructors say don't use a "death" grip on the gun. And as you pointed out, that's easy to do on a range when their isn't an imminent threat. But then he mentioned about being in a life or death situation. Like being in bed at night and someone breaks into your house and is heading towards your kid's room. With your adrenaline pumping and being scared, you probably are going to have a death grip. So he said you should also train with a death grip, on top of normal training. What's your take?
Thanks as always
2:07 editing ghost haha
Well that's a first.
I noticed that you have a lot of muscle dexterity which would enable you to perform so well. No doubt a great athlete. I have noticed I guy who was bones with skin on them. Looked more like a corpse. He shot just as fast but not quite as accurate. So. Learning your technique will help out the geek as well as the Olympian.
Hey Aaron, thank you for all of the helpful info I hope to get the opportunity to take one of your classes one day. My question today is, what distance should I practice my fundamentals. I got laughed at at the range (not that I care really) for shooting a target at 3 yards. I thought this was a good starting point. What's your take?
Start close and work far. Close is more likely. Distance can't be ignored though.
I thought you squeezed more with your support hand then your primary hand
Do you know if there is a company like agent arms for the XDm? That modify the slide and frames. Also great video.
What would you recommend for people with small hands? If I get a good purchase on the gun, and fill in the rest of the area with my support hand, my thumb can’t even reach the shelf. (Glock 19) my thumb is just passed the take down, so I can barely get the thumb on the ledge. I’m assuming the thumb on the ledge will help best if further forward. correct? Any advice is appreciated! Love the videos!
Great info man! Thanks for another great video!
Quick question, when you practice your draw in the morning, are you unloading the gun? Or relying on the other safety rules?
I generally use a SIRT pistol
What would you recommend for someone with larger hands, I have really long fingers and when I hold my gun with my primary hand, there isn't a big open space for the heel of my support hand. I measured and between my middle finger and heel there is 1/8", ring finger and heel is 1/4", then a big 1" Gap from pinky. So when I try to place my support hand there, it just sits on top of my fingers, or i have to loosen the grip of my primary hand to make room for it. I've always just placed my support hand over my primary hand as it is, without moving the thumb of my support hand up and out of the way.
This is with all of my double stack guns (sphinx sdp compact, walther p99), my FN 5.7 has a larger grip and I can get a little more room, but still only an added 1/4" to the above numbers. Even when I raise my thumb up of primary hand, there is only 1/2" from my finger tips to the rear of the grip. Do you think it's more important to keep my primary hand fully griping the gun and place my support hand on the fingers, or bend my fingers a little to get my support hand heel on the gun? Thanks for any suggestions.
Do you have any tips for grip for somebody like me that is missing the second half of my fingers on my support hand?
do you guys ever do any classes in the roanoke virginia area
How do you like those TFO sights? I am sight shopping. I want something for somewhat precise shooting as well as visibility.
MDeJo2010 thought I would give my two cents (really only worth 1 though). I really like mine. My eyes are getting old and it helps. Make sure you get the contrast. Also my front sight lost its glow about 3 weeks after installation. The customer service was great. Got the replacement in less than a week. They told me one reason they did the TFX was evidently this is/was a common problem.
Outstanding!
one of these days I'm going to buy one of those agency arms pistol so things look so badass the only bad part is the prices but that's what you need to pay for performance
Civilian Arms they're ridiculously overpriced. Get a triarc instead.
Very good info !!! What holster are you using for appendix carry ?
He has a video on holsters.
+Anthony Pellegrino It's a Gun Craft holster.
Thanks !
Just so we're clear, what is a "bro shake", and where can I learn it?
Just find someone who wants to posture or intimidate. Their handshake is a bro shake.
SageDynamics Lol, thanks for clearing that up.
What's your opinion on the position of the thumb while shooting with the primary hand only? Thanks for the info.
There's pros and cons to riding it high on the blackstrap or wrapping it hard against the frame. With enough practice either method is effective.
I agree with every i f I’m this video but one, hockey does have separate grips, top hand grips and controls bottom hand is lose and guides to stick handle... just sayin haha love the content though great teaching points
I have been more interested in studying your catalog of videos than doing my homework...to be fair it's law, and this past week was tort law and I did not enjoy it as much as criminal law.
Ive watched all your videos, so that means im sage certified right? lol... Out of curiosity are you still having a funamentals class in ashville, OH this up coming month?
Can you do it with a g22
Mr President yes. But I wouldn’t because .40 is a pointless cartridge.
Every time when I shoot slow, my shots are going to the left(right hand shooter)... but the faster I shoot, the tighter the group is and the shots are all centered at my point of aim...
Si_Vis_Pacem Para_Bellum you're probably flinching more when you shoot slower
It's been 3 years, but maybe it'll help someone else. Occupy your head with something simple like singing the abc or a lullaby. Your mind got something to do and the shot and recoil is more in the background. Don't call it stupid until you try.
Nate diaz
The info in these videos is awesome... except the references of shooting people! I shoot targets. I know that if I'm efficient enough at shooting targets, and some idiot wants to break into my house, I'd have no issue accepting his invitation to becoming one of my targets!! But my main goal is not to shoot people, like these videos describe...
On a totally unrelated note... I wonder why there are so many school and mall mass shootings in the US. And I also wonder how many are stopped by law abiding citizens with open or concealed carry...
I still appreciate the info in these videos, and will utilize them to improve my skills...
"commensurate.." dafuq you say?
Spell pedantic, lol
30 years teaching much more show and tell few less words demonstrating nothing. Give viewer something to look at and see while you are talking.
That’s what classes are for. Videos are practice supplements, that’s it.
Who knew that all you needed was a video camera to be some kind of expert ...ROTFL
As opposed to your dipshit comment and inflated sense of expertise? I have a verifiable resume, how about you?
Great info! Thanks!