Real Lawyer Reacts: Apple River Trial Recap - Fiery Cross of a Victim - Fair or Foul?
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I don't think for a second he told those teens he was looking for little girls. I think a bunch of drunk teens saw a middle-aged man wandering around by himself, and he became their target for entertainment.
Nobody with a brain would believe that blatant lie. Such a ridiculous story could only have been fabricated by a child's mind. Not to mention that one of the teens, Alex Vang, only told police about the "little girl" statement 2 weeks before the trial. He waited TWO YEARS to tell police that he heard Nic say "something about little girls". An obvious fabrication to deflect his role in this whole shitshow.
These teens basically fabricated a claim that Nic raped children, broadcasted it to all the drunks on the river, and incited a lynch mob led by the 6 teens to attack Nic.
And some TikTok cash of course.
What I've been saying all along, the "little girls" thing was a made up story used as an excuse to bully this man, 13 against 1, but then they are the victims because he defended himself, sure
@@mallory-knox it was how he defended himself and yes as an adult … walk away.
I agree. Someone gaslighted the situation with that comment and the rest followed as a way to embarrass him and to get everyone as they said, to "gang up on him".
They took it as a joke and now they're covering up for each other unsuccessfully.
It’s strange all these people calling them young kids but they out drinking beer in public lol
Omg yes! Been driving me crazy! They are 17 years old, smoking Mary Jane, and drinking illegally. Seems like they thought they were adult enough to do those things. Definitely not kid or children like some refer to them as
@@kitcat1006 ok I’m not the only one thinking this 😂.
Yeah cause we never drank alcohol when we were young!
Yep, and no consequences for illegal drinking and drug use.
@@minilea25 Some of us never did and still to this day have not.
We were so afraid.
You can tell in the video of us laughing, taunting, screaming and pushing how afraid we were.
It was 13 on 1.
We only had 13 people.
We were afraid.
Mob Mentality.
All of them feeding off of each other with one guy continuously dumping gas on the fire until reality hit and FAFO took over.
Then Tough Guy starts screaming like a little girl.
It wasn’t 13 on 1 you absolute donut
And it started after he started the physical altercation
Soooo agree I feel for Miu not the mob
This ☝️
This was a mob against Mr Miu. They were bullying him. I put myself in his shoes and I would be frightened. I am older than Mr Miu.
I would have been terrified.
There’s truly nothing that scares me more than drunk college males.
I'm nearly 40 and I would have been frightened as well. That doesn't justify stabbing everyone around you. Including the woman...
I would have been terrified also but would go back to the safety of my group.this Mui guy decided to use a knife,with deadly skill.he had other options.
@@rainbows9060He could have left and or called the cops .
As someone else has said, what a difference it would have made if these young men had offered to help him find the lost phone.
Right. Today's teens and young adults are so self absorbed and a lot of them have no empathy for others. Very cold generation.
And what a difference it would have made if he had chosen to voice his issues and repeat what he was looking for. There are many things that would have allowed this tragic event to end in a very different way. Sadly, too many people made choices they should have probably not made. That includes the guy who stabbed people without saying a word.
@the-helpful-stranger1154 the gang of kids immediately started taunting him, who in their right mind would ask these bullies for help??
@@steelhurricane4041nawh, not really. Not anymore then previous ones.
@@autosalesqueen Who cares if they were taunting him? Did that cause some chemical reaction in his brain that took away his self-control and ability to walk away from a situation? I'm a grown man. Know what I would never do? Confront a bunch of drunk teenagers who are calling me names. There is no world where that ends well. An adult is expected to use their years on this planet to make better decisions than a child would make. They all made bad choices, end of story. Is he guilty? I don't know. Would really like to hear what he has to say.
I’m just so happy there’s actual video evidence in this case. 🖤
To me it looked like the hand was on the defendant’s shoulder not around his neck!
Video shows him chase down minors with a knife and start a conflict with them.
@@tombreckinridge6218no it doesn’t.
@tombreckinridge6218 What you been smoking,? Lol
@@tombreckinridge6218 Stay off the crack
No way memory gets better over time. In fact, anything you frequently recall is MORE distorted because every time we remember something it gets altered a bit.
Especially if you care to pay attention to women!!! Lol
Maybe I’m just a gen x’r but the phrase “play stupid games, win stupid prizes” keeps coming to mind
Someone f**ked around and found out
i'm a boomer and i keep hearing what comes around goes around.
Yup miu sure was stupid for going on a knifing spree for being taunted by kids, on a public river, with families about.
I agree with what you say.
@@Benji567891 "Harassed, surrounded by a dozen or so drunken people, berated, pushed and punched". Fixed it for you. Self defense.
Young kids … I can guarantee that none of those “young kids” felt like YOUNG KIDS driving to the river that day, loaded on weed and liquid courage. I wonder if they were bullies at school.
"Cockfield" is/was probably a professional bully. Hopefully he learned his lesson. Cockfield.... pfft. Maybe it was his last name that drove him to be a bully.
I believe mui is the bully
they were and 2 accusations of rape on 2 individuals and multiple reports of students saying they were bullied by the "crew" ...typical affluent drunken football player rapeists
He slapped a girl and punched her in the face before the guys walked up to him
How the hell do you know ANY of that??? No one testified that they were drinking and smoking before they hit that river. I have been down this river MANY times in my life. Almost EVERYONE drinks, it is a long tube ride. Can be as long as 4-6 hrs to get from the entrance to where they get off. At the bridge where it happened it was about 40 minutes away from the rapids where 95% of the tubers get out of the water. The investigators even testified that they did not give those kids any alcohol tests because they did not look impaired when interviewing them.
This young man can barely keep himself from acting the same way they all acted that day om the river. That jaw clenching...
Agreed 💯
I noticed that too. Many of the boys on the stand seem so aggressive. Bits like they think they are on trial for 1st degree murder. It’s the same out of place attitude that they displayed when the real world didn’t match their sheltered experience to date. Miu is obviously different in his life experiences (born in a different country and culture, traumatic childhood, PTSD…). I can tell that Miu doesn’t display strong emotion on his face, and that could be for a number of reasons but no reason those kids should treat him like a pedo when he was simply trying to find an expensive new iPhone (and then snorkel) that were lost. They taunted him. He was confused. Then they stood between him and the safety of his group.
But they are just "cHiLdReN".
@@chantallennox1201they did not "stand between him and the safety of his group." He had multiple chances to leave.
granted they are still young boys and to them this guy killed one of their friends right in front of them. Not 100% it was right or wrong at this point, but I had 3 teenage boys and I know that these kids are trying singlehandedly to put the guy that they know killed their friend behind bars. I am from this area and know how Stillwater HS kids in general (especially sports players) in the most part their attitude. I have officiated HS sports in this area for over 20 years. These kids were not good witnesses.
The kids crossed the line, calling someone a pedophile is inciting the group into a frenzy!
Wassup paid troll? #GUILTY
Jawahn did that on purpose to use and manipulate those drunkin white boys.
As a High School teacher you become very attuned to “hearing” teenagers lie, they lie constantly, instead of taking responsibility for their actions. This young man is so obviously lying and trying to bend the facts to fit his narrative it makes me mad. Plus, he’s arrogant enough to think that he’s fooling everyone…the exact same attitude that caused all these issues in the first place. I don’t think any of these young men feel sorry about what they said and done. He clearly believes that Mr Miu should’ve left just because they told him to, entitled and arrogant.
I totally agree !!!!
Completely agree. I also saw markers of stress (aka likely deception) at certain vital points, as well as what looked like smirks and contempt. Not what you want to see from a witness like this. There's zero accountability for their actions. It almost would have been better if he just admitted they were being assholes and trying to start something. I mean you can clearly see the kid smiling in the video. He's enjoying it!!!
I'd be interested to know if they'd harassed anyone else that day.
Most likely not. I mean this was a Saturday and if it was a nice day out that river is pretty packed with people. I would be sure they would've heard about any other incidents with these guys if they had been a problem with other tubers. They were towards the end of the river when this happened and had probably been on the water for a few hours already.
On previous occasion, they were declined access/entry to other areas due to their alcoholic and bullying behavior. (Yeah, some good "kids" to come in contact with.)
@@jr4746 what "other" areas?
@@jr4746 you have actual knowledge of this?
@@Ickshter2112almost certainly they did. Seem like entitled jerk, every single bit of testimony I have seen
I’m not buying that Mr Miu said he was looking for little girls. These young men were taunting, humiliating and badgering Mr Miu. One middle aged man against several young men. They did not display any fear. They were absolutely ruthless with their verbiage.
So being the adult , out numbered by drunk , verbally abusive teens , why didn't he remove himself from the situation or pull the knife and state that he would defend himself instead of a knife attack like a sucker punch, think the kids would have backed down from the situation if they knew he had a knife, You can telll by their expressions they had no warning nor did they expect him to respond with deadly force.
There weren’t even any underage girls in the river that day, it’s been stated. Also, can’t look under the water much for bodies so that was just ridiculous. He really was looking for Ariel’s phone that was dropped in a Ziploc baggy.
i think he could of said it like i’m holding a snorkel n goggles you ask me what am i doing?um looking for lil girls ha ha but think that was wrong answer this whole thing is a tragedy and i don’t think he should get life but killing one kids n stabbing 4 others is not ok his face mr,miu is crazy he looks like he lost a screw like the look on his face is scrazy
@@robboid The kids shouldn't have escalated the situation, surrounded him, and put their hands on him. They all handled it poorly, and they all have a part in the outcome.
State defend self while one reaching his second hand for his throat? Like then? While stumbling around in rocky bottom waters?
MEMORY gets WORSE over time.
There is no way he remembers better now. The more time passes, the more our memory decays. It is highly malleable and changes EVERY time we:
- think about the event
- remember the event
- talk about the event
- dream about the event
- are reminded of the event
- read ANYTHING that has ANYTHING in common with the event
- hear ANYTHING that has ANYTHING in common with the event
- watch video that has ANYTHING in common with the event
Memory changes all the time - no person would believe this young fellow has better recall two years later than immediately after the event. It's a ridiculous thing for him to say.
Mui's attorney Corey Chirafisi is a sniper when it comes to cross examination. His cross of Gaige Grosskreutz in the Rittenhouse trial was a masterclass, and he has had some great ones in this trial. Absolutely my favorite attorney to watch in trials recently!
Agree 💯💯
The way he gets in a roll of eliciting “yes” and “correct” for answers is top notch cross!
He’s really good.
I can't believe how fast my opinion changed from feeling sorry for this kid, to it being obvious he and his buddies came up with a story to tell.
That is what children do.
I feel the same after watching the video and the testimony thus far however it still does not constitute anyone dying. Even worse for me is finding out that he hid the murder weapon and lied to the police and did it deadpanned. Brutal, seems like everyone involved was looking to escalate the situation at the time and now so many lives are ruined.
Nah, the old man was wanting to kill someone. That's why he didn't leave when asked 20 times.
He punched a woman that started the violence, he stabbed 4 "kids", he repeatedly lied to police, first thing after stabbing he tries to hide murder weapon, GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY.
I think this group of teens made up the story of defendant saying he was looking for little girls.
The more this case goes on, I’m thinking self defense. I don’t think he intended to kill anyone. The guy was surrounded.
I would have asked :If you all were so afraid, why didn't the dude with the camera stop videoing and CALL 911?
And then wait an hour till the cops arrive? What do you do in the meantime?
You're talking about the matter of like 120 seconds and then people are immediately calling 911.
@@benfrese3573it's not gonna take the cops an hour to arrive lmao they aren't in the middle of nowhere
@@thorkagemob1297 Okay, so it takes them how long? 20 minutes? 30?
Either way it take too long when you are in a situation like this.
Called in the heat of the moment, you have obviously never been in such a situation
The thing is -- it's actually exceptionally damaging to the witness that he initially said the man was looking for a phone. It wouldn't be all that damaging if he'd said the man was looking for his watch, or sunglasses, or a million other things, but the fact that his initial statement of what this stranger said he was looking for was, in fact, what the stranger had lost and was looking for, makes everything he says in contradiction completely incredible.
He didn't lose it, a friend lost his phone, he was trying to help out his friend.
@@dabneyoffermein595And? How does that change anything?
Yes - so now we know Miu wasn’t silent. He told them what he was doing. They were just starting sh*t with him because they were wanting to.
Incredibly true.
This is why the people saying ‘he could’ve just walked away’ are not seeing the full picture… if you’re looking for something and some kids start shouting at you - you shouldn’t have to run away without your stuff to avoid things escalating.
He had no way of knowing the mob was about to form around him, and up until then was under no obligation to walk away and give up finding a lost phone, just because some kids start being dicks
I usually watch Emily D Bakers stuff but found this channel while researching the Apple River Stabbing. . . So glad I did, this is such a solid channel, great job bud truly!
"I so young, I don't know how to do that, I just a widdle baby" - THAT IS what the prosecution COACHED him to say. This is all so gross.
The prosecution definitely coached the witnesses. They still couldn't keep their stories straight.
Give me a break… you obviously don’t have kids. Ya they were being drunk dumb teenagers but it’s scientific fact that their brains aren’t developed at that age. Miu is a grown ass man… why is he butt hurt over idiot teenagers taunting him?? Cuz he’s a crazed
Lunatic. Also he ditched the knife and took off after and lied to the police!! He knew he was wrong
None of them were scared or frightened
Funny you have a bigger problem with that than a guy stabbing a woman in the side who was unarmed, 110 lbs in a bikini and not even facing him at the time. Says a lot about you.
Common words used by all testifying "children, commotion, scared" It seems like someone coached them because what kids say "the commotion" when they were the ones causing the commotion by screaming and yelling? But yet they act like others were causing a "commotion" when it was them yelling. And everyone calls them children even the guy who was 19 at the time (DC) is calling the 17 year olds children. How are you scared when you are laughing like a hyena?
Yea Miu lied after the fact about what happened BUT these people are on the witness stand lying their butts off. ALL of them.
"My memory is better 2 years later after I've been able to lie to make my evidence sound worse for the defence"
They had me fooled at first. I can’t believe it. These young adults are just a disgrace. It’s embarrassing to see them try to justify their actions. It’s gross, they taunted and ganged up on an older man….one man vs a dozen people. They were screaming so loud they wouldn’t have even heard his response.
And there’s a reason why when you get robbed by a bank, there’s specific protocol and employees train consistently on that.
No talking to anyone else about it because it alters your memories.
I don't disagree with any of your major points, but it still doesn't justify him stabbing anyone, let alone fatally stabbing one of them.
The worst part is that this kid has not changed a bit in two years. He has blood on his hands and it doesn't seem like he feels that way. They fked around and found out that inflammatory words and actions still have real-world consequences. The old man was absolutely justified in feeling afraid and fending them off.
@@rmh_itsme6517 The old man punched a woman to start this and had LITERAL blood on his hands from stabbing multiple people. How can you be so wrong in such a short statement lol.
@@BennettMatshe didn't punch her. Lol they all lied and it's been proven they lied!
@@rev3737 The defended lied as well, but no one is on trial for lying. He threw away the murder weapon and then lied about it to the cops, pretending he didn't know what happened.
That's guilt my friend.
Hope you cover the defense closing argument. I give the attorney an A+. Really locked in my not guilty vote as a potential juror.
It’s beyond disappointing that this (young) man doesn’t seem to have become a better person through this tragedy.
Agreed
He is the future of America, lol. Only reason to be glad to be 72 yrs old. Good luck in the future for America
He’s probably the reason this shit all started… attitude +alcohol = friends die
Absolutely agree. These young men need to be held accountable for their behaviors of inciting a riot. Mui wad scared. He was being disrespected. He was outnumbered. He fought for his life. This event for these bullies was a Tictoc moment. Hold them accountable!!!
@@johnswanson3741good luck! I’ll be having the time of my life having sex, drinking my tequila, smoking some pot.. ya know living my life while you’re 6 feet under 😊
He dissected this young man's testimony to pieces. These defense attorneys are great.
Defense attys are scum of the earth for the most part. This guy has a long history of being a scumbag
These lying "kids" will make great future minions of the communist DNC party!!
I dislike this defens attorney very much. 🤢
He puts words in the mouth of anyone and end with the answer what he want them to repeat.
He was Kyle Rittenhouse his attorney too and it was also about so called self defense, even thought Rittenhouse had the AR15 and killed 2 men. 😮
Seen this several times now. Younger witnesses pushing past the truth while being smug about it.
One I seen was Brother against Sister that killed the father. Some of the answers he gave, you could tell he had anger against his sister so he gave smug non-answers
That attorney did his job and highlighted what he needed to the Jury, but both sides seem to put a lot of words into others mouths, without much in the way of objection. Some of it is so repetitive too. I’m in two minds as to the usefulness of this witness testimony because of the nature of the questioning, which was the desired result I guess. The most useful evidence is still the video regardless. If these young people had stayed away and not commented, just called Police, this tragic event wouldn’t have happened.
My husband has always carried his pocket knife when we went on that river. If you don't cut the strings, you have to carry all the tubes tied together to return them, which can be a couple blocks away. Easier to cut them apart and everyone carries their own.
Absolutely agree
My bf carries his everywhere he even grooms himself sometimes with it cleaning out under his nails after getting dirty from working hard
What constitutes a pocket knife? Just because it folds? I never realized a pocket knife could do that kind of damage. How long was the blade?
My Dad always carried a pocket knife! He used it for all kinds of things. I still have it. ❣️🙏🇺🇲
Wow, in the UK, it’s a definite custodial if you get caught with a knife in public, and you are not in the process of using it for your work.
These young men never should have lied about being scared. They clearly weren’t scared, they were bullying him. Them they assaulted him in a mob. He should be found not guilty. Great lawyer for the defense.
Not Guilty of '1st Degree' ...
1st degree murder in Wisconsin is 2nd degree in most other places. It doesn't require premeditation, merely intent to kill. Given he stabbed someone in the chest and gutted another I think intent to kill is clear.
But attempted murder yes. He stabbed a 110 lb girl in a two piece who wasn’t even facing him at the time.
Don't know if they can reduce the charge during deliberation
@@johnswanson3741there are typically lesser included offenses
He said “…GET HIM…”👀
That's a great detail for the defense. Nice catch.
That sums up the teens intent IMO all along. That said, no one “deserved to die” all side were wrong, all sides broke Wisconsin laws, yet only 1 person is charged and IMO over-charged for that matter.
@@TheWandaLifeIf it is the same office as Rittenhouse…they seem to have a problem with self defence
@@sallycinnamon5370 I think one of the defense attorneys was co-counsel for Rittenhouse. This is such a tragic case. I do believe this was self defense at least with what he’s charged with. There’s no way this was first degree intentional homicide. I would’ve been more on board if it was manslaughter. Either way, so many lives never the same. Extremely sad!
That’s your one takeaway?? Pathetic 😂
Great Lawyer and cross of witness. Good thing they have these videos.
The boys practiced the story together to make it sound legit
And still they can't keep it straight. How nobody actually see the punch but could hear a punch over everyone yelling and the sound of the river. No way I really hope jury sees this and find him not guilty
hearing a punch also does not give someone the right to act in defence
No way this is 1st degree murder.
it more and more looks like self defense
I do agree with that even though I think Miu is guilty. It is not a 1st degree murder case. He didn’t come there with the intent to kill.
If you recall the instance a couple years ago of the internet goon Tanner Cook who was harassing and pranking that delivery driver named Alan Colie, he kept getting his face while his friend recorded it and the food delivery man shot him in the stomach and wounded him, well Alan was acquitted of charges. The case here at Apple River could be compared to it, as Nikolai was harassed and videotaped by Juhwan, who created a threatening atmosphere and Nikolai responded once he was surrounded
Attempted murder on the girl for sure.
@@Defender78this is exactly my thought. He responded after being taunted. Then he has 1+ teen/young adults surrounding him and screaming. Then a woman in his face screaming. If he had punched her in response and it ended, would he have faced assault charges considering the circumstances? I don’t think so. I think his punch or slap was justified.
Then he’s in the water being punched and slapped and held down by multiple people. How was it not self defense?
I’m sorry that someone died. And I wish these kids would have learned from what happened but it doesn’t seem like they did.
The problem is there was a mob and one man
A mob that he could have walked away from at any point. He could have yelled for help. He could have held his hands up. Said even a single word to deescalate. He didn’t. He walked away then rushed back when he was taunted. He pulled a knife very quickly and held it blade. He didn’t wield it and wave it to get them to back off, which they undoubtedly would have done, He silently stabbed them. Then walked off and tried to pretend it didn’t happen.
That one man was the Only person with a weapon
A mob that didn't put a mark on the killer 😂
Absolutely true.
@@daisyfontazy423. 👏 👏👏👏👏👏👏exactly!
Thanks for covering this case, much appreciated. This happened about 20 minutes away from where I live. I had a hard time decided whether or not he was guilty of anything but at the end of the day, I can see why he was found guilty of reckless homicide. These kids were nasty pieces of work, shame on them for what they did. Miu will likely die in prison given the sentencing guidelines as you pointed out. Sad situation all the way around.
I’m with you on the determination of this one. I’ve gone back-and-forth through opening statements, through the testimony, through closing arguments, whether or not it was self-defence and what if anything he should be guilty of.
The teens were amused by the situation, were enjoying harassing and assaulting someone they undoubtably thought of as a fat old fool. They have been just as guilty of lying throughout the process, because on some level, they understand that what they were doing was wrong, as well.
The one that I really think has far more culpability in this than gets acknowledged is the guy videotaping it, who set the narrative, made the accusations, did everything he could to escalate it, and kept giggling with glee all the while. I was particularly stunned when, after he realizes one of his friends is injured, he doesn’t put the camera down and rush to assist, he turns the camera on himself to capture his reaction, then continues recording. he thought all of this made great content right up until he realized one of his buddies died for it.
And all of this really over nothing - which is happening far too often these days, it seems.
This was an amazing breakdown of that Cross Exam!! I love the way you explain things, it was a very informative and entertaining 45 min video!! You're so good at these!! Thank LYK ❤
The defence has good lawyering.
This defense attorney was the defense for Kyle Rittenhouse.
He's been AMAZING. Really making a great name for himself. If I am ever in deep trouble, I know who d I'd call!
And they actually have a good case.
I am 63 I don't leave home without protection of some sort .
I got a knife in my pocket as I type I bet you do too. How many times did you use or need your knife today I bet you I used mine 20 times
A male is not a man if he doesn't carry a pocket knife daily. I use mine daily, so I just don't understand a guy without a knife!
Background of Miu
According to the defense's opening statements, Miu was born in Romania. When he was a teenager - about 15 or 16 - he immigrated to the United States because his father wanted his family to have a better life. They were taken in as political refugees and accepted by a church in Minnesota.
Defense attorney Aaron Nelson highlighted Miu's language proficiency; he grew up speaking Romanian but also learned Russian. By the time he moved to the United States, Miu also knew French and Latin. Then he picked up his fifth language: English.
Miu went to school in South Dakota and then became a mechanical engineer. Nelson said Miu was "a bit of a handyman" and good with tools.
Miu eventually settled down in Prior Lake with his now ex-wife, Sondra, who goes by Sandi. He later told police he was "living a peaceful, quiet life in Minnesota" and "had never been in trouble before."
Nelson also mentioned that Miu "isn't in the best health." In 2020, he had a heart attack and a quadruple bypass. "It still makes him feel fragile," Nelson said.
Miu’s social media was filled with aggressive antisocial posts. Miu was trained in the Romanian military. Miu and his brother had issues with their dad and took legal action toward him in Hennepin county. They described him as paranoid.
@@CarrieV9 Yeah you never know what you're messing with. Best not to mess with people.
Thank you so much Peter. I so appreciate your time here. I have followed you since the Murdoch trial and your moral compass is on time as always ❤
Ugh I hated his pissy little attitude.
Agreed, he exhibits the same arrogance shown in the video.
Same. The disrespect is absurd. Their parents should be ashamed.
Found it very interesting that he heard Miu hit the girl, but he never heard his friends hit or slap Miu. The kid had the opportunity to say that, re Miu being surrounded, punched & slapped, but he didn't. And I think this omission discredited his testimony even further. Esp based on Miu's bruises & scrapes; video footage of him being grabbed & assaulted.
(Kids are being taught by twisted teachers & radical "social change" groups that if they don't like something they hear or see that it's okay to get nasty & "physical" with those they oppose. "Get in their faces." And this is what happens when naive young people drink the Kool-aid.)
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These kids seem really coached to down play how intimidating they come across on the video
You're afraid of a bunch of kids? Maybe if he didnt run up on them touching their tubes and legs this would never have happened. This guy speaks perfect english but chose to say nothing. You are dumb as the day is old.
@@gomiggangA bunch of “kids” is a group of 10 year olds.
Which is not at all. It’s always amazing how grown adult men get scared of a bunch of teens right after they decide to thrown hands with them. Just walk away. 🤷♀️
They'd been better off with no video evidence. It makes them look worse!
They don’t seem intimidated to me. They look like they were joking around. Trying to get this stranger away from them. I think adults are not putting themselves in the shoes of these kids.
i just found your page and subbed...i have been seeing posts on the sidebar and thinking some maniac was slashing kids in the river...then finally started to read some comments and see some were saying self defense so i began watching clips here and there...the videos really tell the story of how it went down and all these people not calling it self defense werent watching and listening...i dont usually like to watch people commenting on clips but you did it in a really informative way without interrupting a lot and explaining things...i wasnt going to sift thru 8 hour days of trial lol...thanks for doing in a most helpful and informative way! Judy in CT
So appreciate you breaking down this cross Peter…having watched it during the trial it’s great to understand how the defence lawyer managed this cross so well and how it may impact the jury. Thank you!🙏😊
This witness doesn't seem tramatized or remorseful, he seems cocky , not a great witness for the state
I thought the same thing. His whole posture is cocky the entire time he's sitting there
He was a witness and was.out there. He's young. Multiple people he knew got stabbed. The defense is not his friend.
Oh so now you're trauma experts. The attorney is a jacka** demeaning these kids. Try that with ANY young person.... and good luck with that!
I feel like most of the young men haven’t been great witnesses. Wether he is guilty or not. They were a bunch of little ass holes that day. I just hate that it ended in such tragedy. Justified or not. Someone died and the other spent months in the hospital.
@@MatthewsSloanIf it was ok to stab folks for being Aholes none of us would be alive. Be a grown ass man
If the hit was so hard to make a sound how come she DIDN’T fall to the ground (because none of them have testified otherwise)?
She's a bigger girl. She can take a hit! 😂
She was screaming obscenities up in his face he put his hand up, she escalated and perpetrated. She was drunk and stoned and spoiling for a fight. She lied and instigated the attack on Nick.
Precisely! He’s 250 lbs, she’s maybe 100 lbs. if he had punched her in the face she would have been on her ass!
Thank you Peter for covering this, great job!!!
Thanks so much for doing this after your long and busy day and already one video...
I'm not bothered by inconsistencies such has what hand Miu might have used, etc, but I'm very troubled by how all these kids changed their stories from day of to testimony. Sounds like they got together to get their stories straight
Wait till you hear how Miu's story changed lol
that doesn't really matter because the video covers most of what transpired. Now, if they DIDN'T have that video I think the self defense angle would've been much harder to prove. I am not saying it is clear cut whether it was self defense, but the video really helps
This trial is virtually over with at this point. Don't know if Mr. Mui even needs to get up on the stand
@@Mr_Fairdale Wait till you hear the not guilty verdict lol
@@cachestache2485 what was that? 👂 hmmm?
The defense attorneys in this trial have performed better than any trial I’ve witnessed these last couple of years on this channel. Outstanding job, great questions
Nah he keeps bringing up you could leave, Miu full sprint chased them down and never left, never looked scared. I know dudes like this, old and waiting for their moment. He had every chance not to invade their personal space and start an altercation
You as mis-guided as a female@@tombreckinridge6218
OJ Simpson had a good one too!
nope. and even if you think that so what? the video is all you need. testimony is meaningless. would you need to hear from bystanders about what happened to the trade centers or would the video of it suffice?
@@tombreckinridge6218 yup. the kids knew he was evil and they were correct.
I admire the Defense Team! They are a class act and smart! If I was in trouble I would want them to be my attorneys.
Thank heaven for video in this case
I think you missed a key point from 37:00 to 37:04 when the defense gets this witness to admit that Miu only used his knife on those that put hands on him. To me this is a big deal since it reinforces self-defense. The "cherry-on-top" is that this kid doesn't even realize what he just gave the defense with his answer. Clearly, no re-direct by the state indicates this kid was a bad witness for them and they chose to cut their losses and get him off the stand.
Then why did he stab the girl, (not the same girl he punched), there was no reason because that was not the girl who put her hands near him.
@@stevenharper7118 The girl he stabbed had put her hand on him at one point. Rather lightly though. Other than being in the area when he was attacked, I’m not seeing any reason for stabbing her. I could easily buy a Not Guilty on about half the charges, and the jury deciding to convict on the other half.
@@SuomiB you would convict on a 1st degree attempted murder or murder charge here? seriously?
@@mikusheadphones aggravated assault with a deadly weapon is also charged. He literally started stabbing everyone who was close to him once he stood up out of the water. Good luck convincing a jury of moms and dads that you just had to stab multiple young women.
Excellent point!
His memory was most clear day of. His memory had been tamper with since then. He’ll now project memories of others that told him what they think happened. Teens talk and gossip hours on end. I have a teen, I know 😅
Yeah and Ive been a teen so I also remember 😂
I would think when it comes to remember the guy was looking for a cellphone. Where else would he get that?
@LaurenTaylor-id4gp Is your teen alive?
Agree 💯 that is what I have been saying. Studies have been done showing a person’s memory can be changed n they will believe something different happened if others tell them a different story but it lines up with what happened. So just details are changed. Not the whole scenario.
That is a gross assumption and based on no evidence or facts.
Excellent point you highlight as to the defense attorney knowing when to use restraint, instead of exploiting an obvious contradiction in witness testimony, and the importance how to handle your witness, in relation to the jury's probable perception of that particular witness.
Thanks for covering this. I was watching it alone. I love the way you explain everything. I have a great day. Love ❤️ and hugs 🫂
I love this defense team!
I am a stabbing victim of both a knife and box cutter. The police failed to write in their report about my stab wound period! I felt like a jack ass on the stand during preliminary. After preliminary , I told the prosecutor the police report is very faulty, and I'd rather use the forensic evidence. I did have forensic pictures taken of the box blade cuts and the stab wound. The prosecutor told me I watch too much csi! I've never watched csi or forensic files. I was lucky the dude who cut me up took a plea.
Oh my goodness. Glad you’re okay. Court sounds like it was awful as well. Sorry
That is very sad that happened to you. You are lucky to be alive.
You are indeed lucky! Faulty police work can lose a case quickly! I've also been on the receiving end of a fight with a knife 🥴 I hope you have healed in every way! Best of luck 🩷🩷
Yeah police reports are frequently inaccurate. That's very true.
wow he took a plea... sounds like you guys were in an altercation and prosecutors didn't have enough to nail him.
Thank you for staying up late to do this cross for us Peter. Fantastic video and cross!
I read some things about witnesses and memory: after a while, when you can't remember some details or even entire events, your brain will automatically fill in these "holes" with what you hear people say or by assuming what must have happened based on what you know. At this point, it is impossible for you to discern between what you _REMEMBER_ and what you _THINK_ happened.
This video really helped me learn about cross examination strategies!! Fascinating to hear the factors noted, sharing your assessment of the effectiveness of this cross exam by defense attorneys.
Much appreciation for your astute, interesting, continuing coverage of the Apple River case!!
( I have watched many of your videos after finding one by chance when you first started posting. You are an excellent teacher!)
I think anyone would be in fear for their life, it was 13 to 1.
He is a grown as• man. He should have walked away. He was acting weird to me though like he could do something crazy. Then, he did!
I agree…except the first few times, the accused kept approaching the group. Such a sad day….
No way he is the adult and his response was to stay by the group and hit a woman which started it … then stab people. I can’t believe anyone would defend his actions. He should be locked away forever period
He was not approaching the group. If you watch he was high stepping because of the ride of the water and almost fell on their tube.
EXACTLY
I am 62 years old, I have kids and grandkids. But all I can say is it's amazing how young people would rather impress and stick together than stand up and speak the truth, (even when on trial). I am sad about what happened to these kids and their families. It has changed their lives forever. But if I am on that jury, I am saying this was self-defense. That is my verdict, based on following the trial thus far. Maybe my mind will change. I try to see things from all points of view, but so far my opinion is self-defense.
Sorry kids, and sorry to the families and everyone else affected by this tragedy. So many bad decisions that day. 😢😔
Im curious, why are you apologizing to the people who harrassed, escalated, and stoked the whole situation?
@@falseprophet1024 I am sorry for the way their lives have been changed forever and that they will probably be traumatized for a long time from all this. I am sorry that their actions caused so much tragedy. Just because they made horrible choices that day doesn't mean they don't deserve some empathy. Those kids aren't evil, they just made some big mistakes that they will be paying for the rest of their lives. Hopefully, this incident won't take them down the wrong path. Hopefully, some of them will use this horrible event to make themselves better adults.
@@twohassles43
I guess i dont understand having sympathy for the people who start shit, then cry victim and lie under oath to try and cage the person they attacked..
@@falseprophet1024 All these "boys" need to stand trial, civil suits for all their yuppie parents.
If you honestly believe that getting punched in the face and knocked to the ground warrants stabbing everyone near you, then sir, with all due respect, you are a coward.
This is such a great breakdown of the cross examination! I appreciate you breaking this down for non-lawyers like me.
They keep referring to themselves as kids and the others as adults who came to the rescue. Please they are 17-20 not 14!
Agreed 💯
Dude filming was the size of a linebacker
They be drinking in public, they be adults! Period!
@seniorita3287 He was just a "child". If you look closely, he's holding a Golden retriever puppy 🐶.
The kids were all 17. The other group that came and repeatedly told this man to leave, were 18-22. Keep making it up. 🤦🏼♀️
The video tells the tale…
Miu is gonna rot in prison 😂
@@440-fishermandrock8 I hope not. There’s no video showing anything but self defense.
@@440-fishermandrock8 not guilty or hung jury
Don’t investigators give a business card and tell people to call them if something else comes to mind or they learn something new? When I worked at the detective dept they ALWAYS did that.
People keep calling them kids like they are 5 year olds they are adult enough that they were getting drunk. Adult freedoms come with adult responsibilities. They just learned that the hard way. It’s called natural consequences. Actions provoke reactions. It’s pretty simple.
Yra yes yes
I believe Mui was getting drunk
These "kids" learned nothing from this tragedy!
@@nancyrock-cl2nm so? Why shouldn’t he be drunk? We aren’t in prohibition 😂
@nancyrock-cl2nm you know the difference? Ones an adult the others aren't🤦♀️
DEFENSE won that witness
Well, he showed that the witness was a liar. That always helps.
Thank you for your continued coverage of this trial. I've been watching the live stream every day, but I enjoy your commentary. It helps me see the trial from another perspective. So far the evidence has me thinking he's guilty, but I'm waiting to see his testimony before I make a decision. Yes, these kids were behaving badly, but a prudent person would walk away from rowdy, drunk teenage boys rather than take out a knife and wait for something to provoke him. The fact that his friends walked rather than ran to "help" him says there wasn't an overwhelming threat from people yelling at him. He escalated to physical fighting.
Thank you, Peter, for your breakdown of this case and others. You give clarity to so many nuances of trials. I have learned that innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt is so important for a clear and reasonable verdict. 😊❤
I don’t know how he would be able to “hear” a punch on some body part when there’s a crowd and a flowing river
Or even who threw the punch. "I didn't see it, I just heard it"
The same way his other friend said "my hair was in my eyes, so I couldn't see what my friends were doing". But miraculously, his vision was razor sharp when it came to miu.
LOL, trust me, there is nothing loud about the flowing of the apple river until you get to the very end at the rapids. if you were behind someone and see their head whip back and hear some sort of contact and then see a guy in front of the person who flew back, what would you piece together?
Flowing water with a dozen people making slapping sounds on the water.
@@Ickshter2112 I’m not sure which witness stated those circumstances. But if she was hit, where’s the picture? If she was hit there would be a picture. There is no picture therefore Miu did not hit her.
I would not rely on someone that’s 2.5-3 times the legal limit of drinking’s opinion.
Those kids had no business being out there alone (they can’t behave themselves appropriately); no business underage drinking, no business smoking weed.
And I find it absurd that they think it’s okay to drink so much, okay to smoke weed, okay to call someone a rapist; okay to taunt and laugh at someone older as a group, but then when they think he hit a woman it’s not okay and now they can jump him.
I don’t believe the teenagers were scared.
The audio is all of them yelling and laughing like hyenas. That's why the prosecution keeps trying to show stills or slo mo clips without sound.
Subscribed when Annie Elise had you on the show and ever since I can't get enough of watching these cases from a lawyer's perspective. Thank you for doing these videos. Yes this Apple River stabbing has really caught my attention please keep up the videos !!
The fact that they were yelling, repeatedly “do it for the culture!” should tell you most of what you need to know.
I don't even know what that means lol
It means, noted down or filming something historical in yobbery language ..for a tiktok !
Yeah what does that mean
Thanks Peter, you are so fair, you give us both sides and i am here lurking for every video you put out cuz i know i will learn something everytime. You are great!
Worst witness for the prosecution?
So sick of people acting big and bad calling people the vilest name on the planet and showing off for the camera then crying victim when the person they attacked responds… It’s literally 10 on 1 because he dared be in a space they wanted…. Play stupid games win stupid prizes…
The defense should have brought up the fact that a full 45 seconds transpired between when Mr Miu supposedly said “I’m looking for girls” and it was mentioned to the rest of the group. The fact that, when he said whatever he said (as it was clearly unintelligible) the teens all looked at each other confused, and said “huh, what, what did he say?” Such a riled up and reaction group surely would have reacted to that immediately and called attention to it. But no response happened, because Mr Miu never said that.
They remind me of a wild pack of dogs
Mob mentality.
I thought only bla KS acted like this. Society is trending in the wrong direction
Jackals
These teens (soon to be adults) fu--ed round and found out. The video disputes so much of their testimony.
except the part where Mr. Miu (adult that acted like a kid)ran up on the kids first... It showed that. And it showed he just stood there after many people told him to leave the kids alone that he just rushed and grabbed their tube.
@@Ickshter2112the police forensics shows they followed him 62 feet after he walked away from initial contact. The prosecution is sinking their own case.
Love your analysis. Thanks.
Love your shirt Peter and the show. Thank you 💜🎶💜
the best moment was the chart that showed the initial point of contact was 62 feet away from where the fight happened, implying they followed Miu
I've been tubing on that very river. Unless the group of boys made a very definite effort to stop the tubes where they first encountered Mui, they would keep floating in the direction to where the actual incident occurred. So how did Mui get 60 ft further downriver along with the boys and their tubes? Especially considering his group was stopped at a sandbar back UP river?
@@CLocal5125 RIight but they didn't have to stop and taunt him. They could have just floated on once Miu started looking for his snorkel.
@@abebuckingham8198sure blame the victims lol...he's a grown man who knows better. No matter what he is the adult and he decided to stab a 17 yr old..rather than fight like a man. He knew he had a knife in his pocket and was more than willing to use it.
@@ERPOLO-rr9om It was 13 to 1. Weapons are justified when a mob attacks you. You're not obligated to take a beating.
@@ERPOLO-rr9omit was 13 vs 1 and he has a heart condition. He would have died if he decided to reciprocate their 13 on 1 attack with just fists
I was so excited to see you tonight. I watched the trial today and kept wishing you were watching too, so you could give feedback as you do. Loved, loved this tonight and as always, thanks for teaching us so much about Lawyering, judges, and the judicial system.
I love your commentary. Reminds me of our Bamberger arguments in law school. Defense lawyer must be very frustrated by this witness's answers.
I love that you play the videos faster, I can’t watch them at normal speed 😅
This was such a traumatic event. It happened so quickly everyone’s vantage point was different. There’s not a single witness thats story lines up. It’s the case on both sides. Even detectives!
Exactly Miu said he took possession of the knife from one of the kids, that’s clearly false. He brought the knife and he stabbed several victims. And killed one. Horrible
@@Mrs.JimMorrison But that does only tell us he lied, not that he is guilty.
I think it's reasonable for Miu to be scared that no one would believe him, it was 10+ vs. him after all.
Doens't mean I believe he is innocent.
Eye witness testimonials are worthless.
Humans are very bad at recalling things accurately and without bias.
Most people couldn't accurately recall something said to them 5 minutes earlier let alone accurately recall a chaotic and traumatic event like this.
The videos are the best witnesses.
That's because everyone was drunk and high.
@@benfrese3573 That's where I'm at, too. Teens were aggressive, taunting, and approaching. But then things get murky, Miu seems generally unstable, he ends up doing a lot of really suspicious things, and I can't tell if he was justified or not. The teen group was certainly instigating, but I don't know if Miu could have disengaged or if he was really justified in using deadly force like that.
I feel the same way you do but I don't want a bunch of drunk bullies get away with pushing him to the point where he feared for his life!
I think the defense was great throughout the entire trial!
subscribed looking for analysis and video of this trial, good channel, thanks!
I’ve struggled to get head round this case - know nothing about it - just googled it - and, normally everyone saying guilty so this has got be so interested and I can see this is different - thanks for good posts LYK fam
Generalized anxiety, CPTSD, and ADHD. I need time to calm down before thinking of events in any kind of order. If I tried right away, I would be all over the place in my story. Call a lawyer for Pete's sake.
Ha ha...I used "for Pete's sake" as a figure of speech. LOL
I see what you did there . . . for Pete's sake. Well played.
Wasa was cry
That's why I'd say a week, 2 weeks, absolute most probably a month for a clear picture of a memory. 2 years though? That's a lot of time to start exaggerating events in your own head, mixing up memories from that day with other days, forgetting details, etc. That's not even getting into talking to another person or watching other people's recounts where you can start unintentionally adopting those details. Like not remembering what was in the person's hand until you hear someone say "there was a cellphone," and now you think "that sounds right" and the memory has changed.
@@aliceiscalling I agree.
I appreciate your analysis- when I’ve been watching it I miss some of the inconsistencies or issues (like objections etc) and I’m gaining different perspective as if I am on the jury!
Outstanding recap
Thanks for a clear explanation of the strategy and tactics. 📖
When it comes to memory it gets tricky. Several years ago my wife and I were on 3 N in MA going from Boston back to NH. It was about 2am and she was driving. I was sleeping because I had been drinking. I woke up to her screaming, heard a crash and saw a car spin in front of us and go into the grass. As she stopped she was terrified. A Mercedes was in the center lane wrecked. I checked the driver in the grass he was messed up bleeding, unconscious and drunk. The driver of the Mercedes had a broken arm and his wife was just hyperventilating. The cops were there quick and my wife was trying to explain what happened. It was completly disjointed and not true. She thought the car was speeding and flew by causing the wreck.
What actually happened was the guy was drunk driving the wrong way and hit the Mercedes head on and spun in front of us. The cops were there so fast because the cars he passed and didnt hit had called 911. The cars on the other side had done the same. They were already on the way.
Point: She was not lying or drunk. She was in shock at a traumatic event and needed to compose herself to really process what happened. Memory later can be better than the moments during or directly after.
My only question is if you were sleeping how do you know what happened?
@@astrialindah2773 I asked an Officer before leaving and he told me. The officer who interviewed my wife was just taking statements. The officer I spoke to before leaving told me what happened and that they had been receiving 911 calls for a car going the wrong way. I also looked it up later. The Mercedes was very lucky they were in a quality vehicle. Many other cars would have resulted in fatalities. They were going about 70mph and were in a head on colissions. The wife was generally fine and the husband driving broke his arm.
@astrialindah2773 I spoke to an officer before leaving, and he told me what happened. The officer she spoke to was just taking the statements. The officer told me they had been receiving calls from cars of a car going the wrong way.
The Mercedes was fortunate they were in a quality vehicle. They were in a head-on collision, going about 70mph, and the wife was generally fine, and the husband driving had a broken arm. Many other vehicles there would have been fatalities.
I can understand that, but his statement to the police the man answered him stating he was looking for the phone on day of isn't a misremembering, that is and has been the actual truth the whole time.
This is true and why cop unions make sure they are not questioned for at least 24 hours after an incident
I subscribed because of this and the Franke/Hildebrant trials. Phenomenal commentary!! I love it.😊 One comment you made during the live was ‘Yes doesnt mean you lose.’ (20:59) such a valid point everyone should be told before going on trial. I have never heard anyone ever say that…ever.
I always appreciate your empathy
Don’t worry this jury “me” was already thinking how he ‘heard’ the punch with the girl and not Mr. Mui.
I subscribed from this trial. You’re the only covering and doing an awesome job at it. Love it, keep it coming LYK
I’m in MN and appreciate your opinion and you recapping the case coverage. Keep it up and I’ll keep checking in. Fox 9 Minneapolis’ live feed is fairly good if you wanted another source.