LIVE! Real Lawyer Reacts: Read Trial Day 10: Defense Points The Finger On Cross Examination
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He sold his home that’s been in the family for 50 years, gets rid of the dog, gets a new phone he’s had forever ….. this guy is lying 🤥
He had a phone forever?
@@rainaeasley7863I’m assuming they’re referring to the fact that he testified he had his phone a long time so it was old and busted. If he was fine using an old busted phone the need for a new phone the day before the order is even more suspicious IMO.
Butt dial 😮
the phone he upgraded the day before they asked him to not destroy any data , hilarious isnt it , these witnesses are so unbelievably arrogant they think everyone else believes any crap they say , mind blowing
Right? Butt dialed for two minutes? Could have happened during lovey time, while is wife had an excruciating migraine? 🤥🤥@yogabee2222
A cop with 30yrs experience sleeps through police activity on their lawn is either lying or he’s a horrible cop.
Or both.
@@mighty0974 haha truth.
Drunk??
And has NO training throughout his career 🤦🏻♀️
Amazing a dog didn't alert them.
“Sleeping with his phone “ to have that butt dialing excuse is the nail in the coffin for me. He’s lying. Sorry.
Maybe but 100% I fall asleep with my phone in bed all the time . I will also wake up and look at it so it’s open for sure I personally could see it happening. I’m not saying he is anything I’m saying I believe people fall asleep with the phone in the bed.
@@rainaeasley7863only another cop would believe that
@rainaeasley7863 It’s one thing to unintentionally fall asleep with your phone in bed but he testified that he purposely sleeps with his phone in his bed and doesn’t charge it overnight. Pretty unbelievable. Also, when it rang in the middle of the night, he didn’t even hear it. I don’t know how he thinks anyone believes him.
@@DLLING318 I can believe it . That doesn’t mean I think someone is innocent or guilty I’m saying this part I find believable
@@rainaeasley7863 i also sleep with phone in bed. butt dial and butt answer however is impossible,
The prosecution is spending more time defending the witnesses than prosecuting Karen Read… they are creating reasonable doubt imo.
I realized this as well
42:12 Not only was Chloe rehomed but also the phone, house, career and the basement floor due to an alleged “broken toilet”… the flooring and plywood was ripped out. So sus!!!
It's the Alberts defense team. Not sure there is any prosecution at this point
@@lisafine9479justice for Chloe 😢
I honestly think prosecution knows they have no case , how it got this far is baffling , Lally is throwing his witnesses to the wolves , they are not even in the slightest bit prepared , and they look like a bunch of amateur liars , their stories make no sense at all
I have to say, the defense is doing a great good job making these prosecutors witness look evasive and quite frankly not honest…
Maybe the witnesses are lying 😂😂😂🎉🎉
They are great attorneys. Could you imagine what would have happened to Karen Read if she didn’t have access to these lawyers??? There would be an innocent person behind bars
@@elpatron7916😂😂Could be.. I never followed this case prior to the trial so I didn’t know anything about it..But the Katie McLaughlin testimony was a trip and her evasive answers on how she knew Caitlin Albert was crazy.. Like what are you hiding and why are you trying so hard to distance yourself from her???? If you did nothing wrong then just give a straight ass answer…I have to say the defense lawyers are making me feel like these witnesses were up to something that night and are trying to hide it..
I thought this trial was to prove Karen Reed was guilty? It seems like the prosecutor is trying to prove the Albert's didn't do it. :/
I agree - it’s like the alberts are on trial not Karen read
Yes!!
Think about this, there are most likely people in prison based on this guys double speak.
That is horrifying and heartbreaking.
What’s worse is that there are absolutely people in prison throughout MA because of the corruption that multiple different agencies are known for. I had missed the live broadcast of one of the pre-trial hearings in this case. When I searched to watch the replay, among the results was a headline for Sean Ellis. Sean Ellis was wrongfully convicted of a crime (I’m drawing a blank on what specific crime) and spent 22 years in jail. He maintained his innocence the entire time and stood his ground that he was convicted due to corrupt law enforcement. In 2021 he finally proved what he had said all along. 2 Boston police officers have been convicted and are in prison and I believe the third was recently charged and is on the path to trial. I may have some of the specifics wrong, I haven’t been able to research it thoroughly, but the fact is he was wrongfully convicted due to 3 corrupt Boston police officers. Sadly, I’m sure there are a number of people in the same boat.
I was thinking the same thing…. If this police dept is soo improper it then becomes important past cases get reopened to see how they were handled.
Sadly that likely will never happen though.
In the end you wonder why Albert wants to deny knowing Karen.
And not just deny knowing her… but constantly referring to her as “a female at the bar” or “the defendant”. As if she’s not even human to him.
@@showkitties3844almost like “it” Chloe the dog
@@stephanierr2014 That drove me crazy! His wife did the same exact thing. Yet they both wanted to act offended when it was brought up that they got rid of her. 🙄
Cops lie after awhile they just can't help lying
Male chauvinist
I wonder how many DUI’s Officer Drink N’ Drive doled out to the citizens of Boston throughout his 30yr career.
He was a Boston cop on the fugitive apprehension task unit…. So none.
@@UnsafeBotI didn’t realize he was on that task force for the whole 30yrs. His brother is Canton, that’s right, I mixed the 2 up with that.
@@UnsafeBotI looked it up, it only goes back to 2011, but he absolutely gave traffic citations, it seems like he hasn’t been on the apprehension team his whole career. Took me 2 minutes to find that out.
It’s sad that the Albert kids & cousins were way more responsible and had sober people picking them up to drive them home. But the parents….nope!! Drinking n driving
Brian Alberts brother has a prior DUI in which a person was killed. The attorney who represented him is the brother of the Judge Cannone. Albert received only 6 months.
29:54 it was a very chaotic morning…..Why chaotic? You had donuts & coffee, never went outside, never looked at death scene…why was his morning chaotic? Only multiple phone calls made by him.
I do fully agree with what ur saying here but also no everyday a dead body is on your lawn: but yea he had to do clean up
You nailed it.
Oh, for fuck's sake, who left the gate open at the cunt farm?
Every single answer from a pros witness is an argument. Even for the most basic questions. Makes all the witnesses seem sus. And it’s really exhausting.
Especially when pros witnesses are usually called to help a jury understand how the accused is guilty.
On the flip side, these lawyers have been publicly accusing them of murdering a cop and covering it up by framing Karen. The defense takes things that were probably inconsequential to the Alberts at the time and blow them out of proportion. So if the Alberts are innocent, I can see why they are being particular about their testimonies and the words and characterizations the defense is using
If you have nothing to hide, why are you hiding EVERYTHING? Deleting calls (Jen McCabe) 2 cops getting rid of their phones, Brian Albert also getting rid of his dog & house he's lived in all his life. Why LIE if you're not guilty? @herroyalhighness5634
Yes ! They cannot just say yes or no . They are so slippery and shady .
It’s more the fault of the prosecutor than the witness. The prosecutor is doing nothing to establish a case against Read or obviously prep these witnesses or preempt the Defense’s game so the Defense is doing a masterful job at burring witnesses, making them look foolish and guilty, and really hasn’t even had to defend his client because the prosecution has lost steam to even prosecute Read anymore.
They need to have a drop the mic moment and have Jackson walk Chloe into the courtroom..lol
I like the way your mind works.
YESSSS
Can you imagine if you could hear the cheers of everyone watching on lawtube if they did. It would be deafening..lol
I need this to happen 😂
that would make me so happy but mainly because I'm worried about her. "got sent to a farm in Vermont" is kind of terrifying and I really want to know that she's ok.
If Chloe wasn't good around new people as Brian says, there is no way Chloe wasn't barking with screaming and sounds of strangers in Chloe's front yard. Dogs are very territorial, just as in a strange dog walking near the front yard. Chloe attack the dog being walked near the front yard......
The wife said the dog was not good with other dogs and was fine with people but the husband said the dog wasn’t good with new people.. I think that type of dog would bark or at least become alert and make some noise…
She must be a 🦄 … bc I’ve yet to see a German Shepherd *not* lose their minds when there’s even just a leaf floating by a window.
Nicole Albert said Chloe was fine with strangers....
@@Jina_Gexcept for the multiple documented bites😮😮😮
Unless of course the owners were making her be quit.. because I assure you they were not sleeping through it all. They were up and very aware!
If they were so concerned about being available to their kids, slept with their phones, etc then why didn’t they answer the phone at 6am when Jen called and why wouldn’t their first phone call be to their daughter who left their house at 2am to make sure she made it home ok now knowing all this happened?
Absolutely this 💯
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"I've never met or seen her before... Maybe once... I've never had a conversation with her" but, then, "... a week prior... she was across the table from me but I didn't pay much attention to her." As I listened to BA's testimony he constantly changed his answers throughout the entire thing. I think he only admits things that are incriminating as the screws tighten around him. I ended up distrusting him completely.
This. This was my
Feeling throughout. I don’t think that Jackson was twisting his words or misleading… I think BA was taking what he said and putting a “cop spin” on it. He wanted to qualify answer he already qualified, which left him looking even more shady IMO
*this comment should be pinned for the win!* 🏅 💯 🙌🏻 well said.
He's one of those, "this is my answer... Unless you can prove otherwise." like when he said flat out near the end there was no proof of that... YEAH BC U DESTROYED YOUR PHONE! 😂
This is a good point but I do agree it seemed misleading for Jackson to only use that first sentence. That felt slimy.
His phone had “Butt recognition”! 🤣
I just butt dialed someone last week
@@rainaeasley7863 did you then "BUTT answer" a few minutes later?
@@AcmeRocket actually if I butt dialed someone, they usually call me back within seconds. I usually tell them it was a butt dial, but if I was in bed asleep, I would not be able to. This is really grasping at straws
@@rainaeasley7863 the point is he claimed that he butt dialed AND claimed on that subsequent call back he did not answer indicating that he also BUTT ANSWERED
@@AcmeRocket nope he did not say that at all …. Not one time
Cannot believe none of the Alberts didn’t hear the sirens or see the flashing lights and Karen Read screaming….NO WAY!!! And the dog wasn’t barking….my sister has a German Sheperd and he barks if a leaf falls off a tree and he has supersonic hearing….so not believing that
I’m curious if anyone outside the home heard barking.
They were awake. They were very aware. They were making that dog shut up!
I have a white German shepherd and even though she barks at the mail man I can tell her to shut up and lay down and she will!
Who wouldn't go out to their lawn if a co-worker was deceased on it? ESPECIALLY, when it comes to cop-brotherhood and they partied together the night prior. 😮
I get the distinct feeling that they’re all trying to avoid saying they didn’t like JO, because if they didn’t like him, got drunk, and stuff got out of hand - motive.
The fact that BA didn’t tell anyone “uh-oh! I traded my phone in right before I received the court order”, makes him seem so shady.
Even if he traded his phone in, every bit of every iPhone owners’ data is stored on their cloud.
You buy a new phone, log into your Cloud and it downloads all the data to your new phone.
The Cloud is there permanently.
Except it won't show deleted items. And I think Brian Albert has gotten rid of a whole lot of things after the incident...@@enigma9605
The data has to be backed up on the cloud , if it’s not then it’s lost. I got an upgrade and didn’t back up my data. I lost everything.!
@@ashleymckenzie9049
Mine backs up automatically.
@@ashleymckenzie9049you can have it automatically backup. Only time I’ve lost data was when we had a power surge during an iPhone update and it factory reset. I ended up only losing the last couple days of texts and photos though
Defense hasn’t even put on their case yet!
This will be interesting. Do the prosecution have many witnesses left?
@@ltee2261 well they haven't even gotten to proctor, or the M.E., the DNA specialists, etc. This is going to be a slog.
Legally - they don’t have to PROVE anything. It’s 100% the commonwealth’s responsibility to prove Karen is guilty. The defense doesn’t have to call one single witness. The only thing the defense has to do is poke holes in the commonwealth’s theory to provide reasonable doubt. They accomplished that within the first 5 days!!!
The prosecution has a bomb - they are slow rolling- it has to do with Karen turning off the rear brake assist before backing into John’s car. It proves she hit it intentionally. Her car automatically applies brake force if any object above bumper height comes within 6” of it.
@@ThirstyKaren this is the first time I’ve heard of that! Mind if I get the link to your source? Would definitely like to continue going down this rabbit hole and give it a read.
If you have possibly seen, met,
or spoken to- someone before-
you do NOT SAY-
“I’ve never seen or spoken to that woman”.
It’s a strong, definitive statement.
There’s No room for misunderstanding. Yet, he changed that statement entirely, with his following statement:-
Imo:
so he would have “an out”
if he were caught perjuring himself.
He’s talking out of both sides of his mouth. Shady shady shady
You nailed exactly what this "professional" witness is doing!
He likes to try to play with semantics doesn't he but he just keeps getting caught out. How many people has he put in jail talking out both sides of his mouth?
In my opinion denying speaking with the lawyer like that demonstrates to me that he is willing to lie on the stand, and significantly minimizes the rest of his testimony. Speaking with a lawyer to prep for trial is such an innocuous thing, there was really no reason for him to deny it, and it's an easily provable lie.
Theyre all trying to be so technical to avoid saying the wrong thing that theyre making themselves look worse
Like Alex Murdaugh said “oh the webs we weave.”
It the same with “I’ve *never* met or seen her! Maybe once…” They are trying to put as much distance between them and the case as possible.
@@soude85 covering their bases in case evidence comes out that they don't know exists
Exactly. If you lie about the little stuff, you'll lie about the night stuff.
I think Jackson’s questioning was absolutely fair. Brian Albert 100% knew who KR was, and that’s why he knew it wasn’t the whole quote. I think the full quote makes Brian Albert look like a slimy liar trying to make it seem like he never met her, and tryin to distance himself from both of them… When we all know he was hanging out with her and John for hours the week before John Okeefe was killed. I think Jackson did great!
I like Jackson but felt he was beating a dead horse on some stuff yesterdagy.
@@TammyMacMacOnce he has his point across once or twice , then he needs to move on .
The problem with Colin- it wasn’t until the feds discovered he was IN THE HOUSE THAT NIGHT that it was first known to the defense.
Brian isn’t used to being questioned, he’s used to getting his way and no one holding him accountable for anything. He was shaking at the end of this interview. Guilty or not, he needed the humbling.
Well said 👏🏽
Does anyone think the CW is trying to lose?
He said he's testified over 100 times so I'd think he was used to certain types of questions. With his semantics I'd wonder how many people are in jail because of his word salads? How do you work in the fugitive unit and not have some understanding of how crime investigation works? Cell data? I just don't think they were expecting such a thorough defence team.
@@susanna12297 no, I don’t think they are trying to lose. I think he’s from a small town. He usually does civil cases. This is his first trial that’s very public and likely his first murder. Whoever decided he should be one fed him to the wolves. I’m thinking no one wanted it knowing what evidence they have. So far the only thing he’s proven is yes, it was snowing.
I really believe that with this testimony of the father Albert raises huge reasonable doubt
Even if I'm 1000000% innocent I'm getting an attorney always !!!!!
Most witnesses don't get attorneys. However, if the defendant's theory is one of the witnesses did the crime, then it's understandable.
That was my advice to my sister, her ex tried to put a domestic violence charge on her and she had to go to jail for the night. She didn’t wanna pay for a lawyer. I told her she needs to because the state can bring up charges even if the girl don’t show up. It’s better safe than sorry.
Fell short because the judge “auntie Bev” is limiting the defense on what can be presented into evidence!
I missed something. What do you mean exactly?
Lally said today that Katie McLaughlin claimed that Karen said "I hit him I hit him" AND that 2 other firefighters/paramedics (Nuttall and Flematti) said the same thing. What he failed to point out is that Katie testified that she (KATIE) TOLD the other 2 firefighters/paramedics IN THE AMBULANCE that she had heard Karen say this. Nuttall and Flematti may have thought they had heard it from KAREN but they actually heard it from KATIE. Nobody wrote this down so they have had to rely on memory, which often fails. And apparently, according to the Defense, we will hear from another witness in the days to come that Karen actually put it in the form of a question as in "DID I hit him? COULD I have hit him?"
I forgot about that! I remember the one guy doing compressions couldn't answer when he heard Karen say it. On the video, it doesn't seem as if he interacted with Karen. The defense even asked how he could have heard her say it if the doors on the emergency vehicle were shut. Your comment puts everything together really well!
Yes if she said could I have hit him then she didn’t see him go in the house like she said.
Lally loves to misrepresent facts. If anything has been consistent during pretrial it's lallys blatant lies
Katie said an Officer heard her say it too. What I don't understand is, in that situation wouldn't they have taken that as on scene confession and taken her in for questioning to get clarification? None of the officer's said they heard KR say she "hit him", Katie said KR said it to the other woman, could Jen have said "did you hit him" first causing KR to question that? There's a lot of particular semantics being used by these witnesses, none of them seem to be able to answer directly. It's very odd.
I have been so confused by Katie M being so adamant that Karen made this statement in the presence of an officer who we now know is Officer Saref AND Officer Saref “supposedly said, “ You did what? You hit him? I need to go get Sgt Goode.” BUT- BOTH Sgt Goode and Officer Saref both stated they didn’t hear this comment and neither took any action or talked to Karen about it. Why did the defense not mention this in front of the jury??
Katie McLaughlin came off as evasive and a liar.. I cannot figure out why she was like that..
100% & when asked about the other girl, it was almost like she was expecting that exact question. Her answer was even almost identical to the other girls. I don’t believe her for a second that they haven’t spoken since her testimony.
@@showkitties3844Katie McLaughlin was the firefighter paramedic. Do you mean Caitlin Albert today was almost identical?
Bc she is a liar
They are sketchy 😮
@@bridgett039 Caitlin claims she hasnt spoken to anyone about previous witnesses testimonies yet she launched into an explanation about how they werent close without even being asked , of course she knew exactly what was coming and she walked right into it , these witnesses are terrible liars and worse than that so arrogant they think they are believable and we are all dumb
Proved: it was snowing, that too many people in authority were drinking and driving and that the investigation was botched. I really hope John gets justice and that his family gets answers. Thanks Pete!!! Your the most level headed and unbiased person covering this case. I really hope Chloe doesn't get put down. 🥺 I think Chloe is innocent.
This case will go cold because karen killed John and Karen's fans have biased the jury and the jury will hand down a not guilty based on reasonable doubt.
I don’t think Jackson was sneaky. 2nd part of quote “I dont think I’ve had a conversation with her” video shows them talking at bar
I dont think that 1 second snippet proved he "talked" to her. Ive been in groups of people where someone might say something and you look their way and laugh or make a brief comment but not necessary say anything relevant. I like Jackson but think he was reaching here.
You'd have to be on a high dose of narcotics if you still believe she did this. WOW.
What a farce of a trial this is.
Karen did it
@davidking6986 michael proctor, you're next on the stand
Karen did it based on her confession I HIT HIM O MY GOD I HIT HIM
@@davidking6986that doesn't prove she hit him. It only proves in the moment she thought it was possible she hit him... His injuries are nothing comparable to Karen hitting him. I've yet to see any evidence she hit him
@@davidking6986 except not a single person testifying that she said that is credible.
It is a murder mystery!!! Was it Colin with weights in the basement, was it Higgins in the yard with the snow plow, was it Karen with the car, or something else they haven’t shown us yet?
All I can say is my heart breaks for the O’Keefe family and I hope they are convinced that they get justice for their son.
Is it possible he slipped and cracked his head and NOBODY killed him?
@cheshirecat6518 what about all the injuries to his arm? A slip on the snow would not cause those.
@@traciegos4305maybe he slid when he fell?
2 black eyes a cut on the nose and defense wounds on hands and arms are not just a slip and fall. This man was beaten up and died from his injuries. IMO
Absolutely not with his injuries. Not too mention all the police action to cover their tails @@cheshirecat6518
This trial is wild thus far! Thank you Peter for continuing to discuss this trial in a fair, balanced, and unbiased manner. I really value your insights and expertise. And to all of the Mamas, I hope that all of you had a Happy Mother’s Day yesterday. 💗
I haven't heard Karen talk but the recent witnesses.... They all seem like dirty, smarmy liars...
No nice way to say it.
When all is said and done, I'm sure we will hear plenty from her.
She has a dateline interview Jen Mc Cabe told them to came to 34 fairview to hang out after the bar Karen didn't feel comfortable going in but did drop Officer John O'Keefe off
@@qutanyaWoods-wm6vv Karen Didn’t want to go because Higgins was a creep & kept flirting with her. She didn’t want to tell John & be “ That Girl” so she was trying to talk John out of going in. John wanted to go & didn’t understand why Karen didn’t.
I love Peter and him keeping 100%..
Defense has all the Receipts. Also it's this Judge right here, That knocked down the phone issue.
But it's absolutely shady of Mr Albert.
This Judge is so biased and yucky.
This case gives me so much anxiety. I have no idea how this even went to trial. The Google searches alone would make me acquit her. This is just insane; it’s clearly a huge cover up!
If the defense gets the bite pattern from the dog and it’s nail patterns to compare that could go really bad for the Alberts.
The ME is going to be very interesting
Both of his kids came off much, much better than than Brian, Sr.
Wow I never realized until you stated ,how important it is to vote in local judge and prosecutor positions. Wow so true.
That Lexus did not cause those injuries N F W
The son looks uber nervous when you speed it up like that! Wow
Thing is Peter even though all the call log info is there all the meta data from that phone is lost. They could’ve had an expert testify how the call was placed or answered where the phone was at specific times and what orientation it was in whether it was locked unlocked. All that is gone and it could’ve been revealing to exactly what he was doing.
I believe the defense will bring up multiple phone logs for multiple people when they have their expert testify to prove Jen McCabe’s search for “hos long to die in cold” was done at 2:27 am.
Defence has a data analyst on the witness list. The FBI grand jury got the phone data for everyone involved but it's what the judge will allow in.
Mr Jackson is a machine
100%
Albert is dirty
Yup, Rotten ass dirty.
Literally…pretty sure none of them even showered at the end of the night 🤮
I really feel like Albert is so uncomfortable and lying through his teeth.
he is
Bottom line is someone died on his lawn and he didnt even care or check shows his character for sure and hes probably terrified the lot of them into keeping zipped
He's a Sgt Detective too, he's just been to the funeral of a fallen officer and doesn't make sure these clowns investigate the suspicious death of a fellow officer properly. No? And the dog doesn't bark at the leaf blower. Make it make sense?
There’s just too many coincidences with the B Albert….I believe there is reasonable doubt here!!!
For once, I find myself rooting for the defendant. I agree. There is so much reasonable doubt!
I don’t think Jackson was twisting Brian Alberts words about never seeing or meeting her ever before… except for maybe once. That is a very duplicitous statement from his prior testimony that I think needed to be pointed out. !! CAUTION !! Do not take this smooth talker at face value - read between the lines.
Everyone who has ever owned a German shepherd knows there is no way that dog did not bark its head off 🤣
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🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻JUSTICE FOR JOHN O’KEEFE🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I Googled dog bits on arms and pretty similar ..I can't figure out what else could have caused these lacerations..😢
I believe the prosecution is claiming their road rash from being hit
Defence have got a dog expert so that'll be interesting.
@@saratucker1519 I wonder if his hoodie shows evidence of tearing to..slow on the evidence..
@@TheKathymorrison yes! Wondering the same. If you Google road rash/German shepherd dog bites, it looks way more like the dog bites
@saratucker1519 I Googled both..those lacerations made have been cleaned up and also the cold could have changed the appearance..but they look like dog tears..I really want to see his hoodie..today was crazy..now the drunk girl saw a object same height as him..wtf..plus who drinks at that age and after bar party..with kids !!..
I wonder what the jurors are thinking at this point in the trial🤨🤨🤨
I would be thinking the lawyer is agresive and the witness is nervous. I expect people in a small town will have meet people without remembering them. I honestly meet people often that I don’t remember meeting and have to play it off . Especially if you have meet while out drinking.
Throwing spaghetti. They don't have any proof. Jackson to full of himself.
lets hope that the jurors are not intimidated by the Alberts. its bad enough that they have the judge on their pockets. seems they rule the roost in this neck of the woods.
@@rainaeasley7863 I do not disagree that you can not remember people you meet at a bar, but then you remember EXACTLY to the minute what time you arrived at home?
@@AcmeRocket did you read my whole comment? I need people all the time that I don’t remember. And of sentence stop I concluded it with I could see if I was your out drinking. You definitely wouldn’t remember someone so I didn’t say you had to be drunk to someone that’s not what I said at all but just like that, that’s trying to put words in peoples mouth. That’s what you’re doing. You’re trying to prove a case without using verbiage.
They forget a lot when it's defense asking questions
“Welcomed with open arms” seemed so practiced, I’m glad Peter picked up on that too.
these people are so shady. they remember perfectly certain things, but where there is any risk, i do not recall. hopefully the jury sees this.
John’s family and their facial expressions are pissing me off.especially his brother and the heavy set girl in the black and white shirt today. Rolling her eyes when the defense spoke
It’s wild to me there could hear all of this and believe it’s Karen. Maybe they have been brainwashed. I understand they want justice, but it’s not justice to put someone in jail that’s not guilty.
The fact they’re completely fine with the way the cops treated their loved one after he was gone, is wild to me. Why are we, complete strangers, more offended by how he was so blatantly disrespected, than his own flesh & blood?
Same
Yes, I've seen her rolling her eyes. She should be admonished, we can see her 🙄🙄
@@showkitties3844two things can be true at once. They can be upset with how the police handled things yet still think Karen did it. Karen broke off all contact with them afterwards, even though she had independent friendships with them. That’s very common in cases where someone murders/kills the significant other. They feel too guilty to face the family. I wouldn’t vote in a jury based off of this fact, but I think shaming the family isn’t cool especially when 75% of the defense’s case is making mountains out of mole hills and throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks, and that they are getting a lot of this stuff from the rantings of an unhinged internet blogger.
Brian must have been a horrible detective 😂
How old is KR’s SUV? Mine brakes itself if close to contacting any obstacle- gives me whiplash- I hate it…..
Great point! Mine does the same thing, scares the absolute HELL out of me any time it happens too.
OMG so true . Drives me crazy
Love this thought!
Brand new at the time, her brother owns a Lexus dealership.
I have a theory that actually fits with almost every bit of evidence so far (instead of having to twist it to fit one side or the other), but I'm too scared to post it b/c with this case, you can't say anything without getting roasted within an inch of your life. This trial is super interesting but I really miss when we could all discuss our opinions back and forth without getting our families threatened, geez. These people about to make me go do a rewatch of ol' Darrell Brooks to get some peace 😆😆
What is it?
@@SaintSimonTrenfI just said I don’t want to post it & have to deal with replies from a screeching mob 😂 I’m too tired for the drama. Maybe I’ll send it to Peter instead for the next livestream.
You get peace watching Darrell Brooks? 😂 Are you talking about when he got sentenced?
I miss being able to have discussions about differing views, too. I'm sorry if people have been awful with you for giving yours.
@@lisainthelab nobody is really roasting anyone in the comments on this channel. It's rather civil
Make another UA-cam account and post it under that account and then never check your comment replies.
It's a shame we'll never know what the outcome of the case would have been had it been investigated properly.
They should interview the neighbors and see if they heard anything
Absolutely!!
They must have done because they took photos of the scene with the emergency vehicles there. Interested to see if they will be called by the prosecution.
Unfortunately that isn’t proof that the Albert’s heard the noise. It’s proof that the neighbors did.
The neighbour opposite is in law enforcement, higher rank than Brian Albert, and his ring doorbell strangely wasn't working that night.
I got that from Sean McDonough.
@@vee5294 they didn't do any canvassing of the neighbours. There's no testimony or neighbour witness statements.
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All the data about the position of the phone, when the phone Lock Screen opens, a lot of the kind of data used in the Murdaugh case is no longer available from B Albert’s phone.
Defense should produce a real life /remodel of all the police, sirens, vehicles so the jury can really see how loud it was outside between 6 and 7am
They should have had them there when jurors visited! They parked KRs SUV there!!!
The firefighters and paramedics said they didn’t run the sirens because there were no cars in the road and they didn’t need them so they didn’t want to wake everyone. Not sure if police had the sirens on
Honestly my husband could sleep thru a damn tornado/hurricane lmao so Im sure there are people who could do that.
Great idea! 👍
so Brian Albert is an experienced witness (been with LE for a long time) and you mean to tell me that he doesnt know about "preserving a potential evidence" or that phones that get factory reset loses all (if not, most) data which renders it useless?!! i call BS!! this poor family (o'keefes) patiently sitting and hearing all these finger pointing when all they want is justice for their son/brother/uncle/friend. i hope that the Alberts meet their Karma in all shapes and forms 10 folds.
I love this channel, explaining without being bias.
I agree. Peter Tragos is absolutely the BEST. He keeps it concise. His analysis IS unbiased... what a freaking concept, right?! And his explanations are easily understood. I find this so fascinating. I wish I could work for him in some capacity. (Might have to be remote though... HA! The humidity in Florida is pretty intense for me!)
So….he re-homed the dog..the phonedata….he even re-homed the house(!) and retired. Mhm. Nothing to see here.
No one checked to see why John & Karen didn’t arrive, no one saw his body in the yard, when the Alberts were notified there was a dead body in their yard - neither parent checked in on THEIR OWN CHILDREN in the house to make sure they are ok but called a friend instead & the donut delivering Albert didn’t didn’t return her besties missed call the next morning & didn’t wonder why her car was at the Alberts - just wanted to put donuts in freezing car & leave …???
There's only one child at home, Brian Jnr and it's his 23rd birthday so he's an adult. But no, Jen McCabe text John 17 times to get John there but never checked when they say he didn't turn up.
Hmm
You make some excellent points, @kristyallmon3873
So you are a police officer & see the worst of the worst on fugitive task force. Even if you are just a regular parent…& have no idea why a dead body is on your lawn. You know your home is often left unlocked and you don’t immediately check on your one adult child in the house? You call your bestie. I call bs. I am not using facts on record in trial for that statement.
If Caitlin’s boyfriend had to leave early to work, why did he pick her up so late? I think stuff went down and they were like you need to leave asap so she got out fast
He had to be up by 3am, and picked her up at 2am--not crazy, when you realize that. Maybe he got up a half hour early or so, but it wasn't a question of staying up late for him.
Wow y’all are jumping to a lot of assumptions.
@@rainaeasley7863 I paid attention to the full testimony, rather than just the clips Peter played.
@@rainaeasley7863 I don't think you need to jump to assumptions if you listen to all this testimony. They had 5 bedrooms (BA) or 4 bedrooms (BA.jnr) so why wouldn't you just stay at your folks house if it's a blizzard outside? Also, why did Julie Nagel send a lift away at 12.30 then get a lift home less than an hour later? There's more questions than direct answers. Dogs gone, house is gone, phone gone and you retired, a lot of coincidence and no actual evidence yet KR killed Officer O'Keffe?
@exstock wouldn’t it make more sense for her to stay the night at her parents & her boyfriend pick her up when got done working??
I am not from the area and don’t know how far she lives from her parents but it would have to be a an emergency for me to wake my husband up early who has to work so he could pick me up b4 he goes to work instead of having him get me after work.
I must say between all these people changing their plans when they either planned to stay at the house or had planned to be picked up, ALL the Alberts using the same timeframes & down to the minute, and Nicole supposedly “missing” calls from Jenn & butt dials to BH from BA looks VERY SUSPICIOUS to me. AND THEN …..if you also add in the google search around the same time as all this other - if it’s proven in court to be true or if the defense’s expert proves to be more credible than the prosecution. - WOAH!
When all these people backed out of the driveway their headlights would have made a pass across the ENTIRE lawn as the car went from the an angle to straighten out in the road, slowly. Nobody saw in the bright lights a large body, excessive blood lost, a hat, shoe or 47 red pieces of taillights??
I know it was maybe argumentative but my favourite part of the trial so far was when Mr Jackson asked if Brian also kept his wallets and car keys in bed with him as well as two phones and his glasses 😂
Wow, that’s the first time I heard Lally get all fired up…. 🤣 I hope the judge lets the pictures in.
Waiting for Tom Cruise to bust thru the door yelling "I WANT THE TRUTH"!
YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH 😂
Massive win for the defense today
Brilliant lawyering! He pulled info out like a master. Fascinating he felt the need to call his lawyer to be there. It could be a consciousness of guilt.
Brian Albert keeps looking at his Apple watch. Is that allowed? Should be treated like a phone.
they dug up the concrete slab in the basement and poured a new one before they sold it. That is the biggest piece of evidence that JK was killed in the basement.
Karen was waiting for John to go inside and make sure they were welcome. She waited and texted him and called him and then left. They ambushed him immediately
So much nitpicking .... to save an angry drunk woman that killed her boyfriend...
Evidence provided so far shows at least a 45 minute timeframe from when they say Colin left to when he apparently arrived at home.
Brian Albert lost all credibility in those first 5 minutes of cross. He absolutely didn't misunderstand the questions. It was all downhill from there.
Peter, if someone died on your front lawn you would think you get sued regardless, so that’s probably why he rehomed everything and retired to try ro make it harder to get any assets if sued…
great question/topic.... but occupants/premises liability requires, like any negligence claim, the usual four components of: duty, breach, causation, damages. Simply having a dead body on your lawn does not fit this requirement. One would have to show the duty of care was breached, and address causation and then, of course, damages. Now, you make a good point, because if this case ends up in a guilty verdict, you are absolutely correct that civil lawyers will be looking at culpability. Great post :)
Ms Albert said that Brian Higgins arrived after she and her parents arrived. Brian Albert said he arrived first. She also said that her mother or father was showing Brian Higgins photos in the 'family room'. Her father said that he showed Brian Higgins the photos upstairs in his son's bedroom.
Higgins will be interesting for sure and the cell data.
Yes! I noticed these discepancies too.
Butt dialing is hilarious bet his wife is pleased that the world now knows about their adult only time
I think most of us watch live, but love other lawyers reactions to this wild trial
I dont know why he was able to get rid of his phone 🤷🏼♀️he is a police man he should know. There need to be a punishment for
You don’t remember speaking to Mr Lally since around grand jury testimony in April 2022?
1. Conference call about retaining cell phone Sept ‘23
2. Trial prep a few weeks ago
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I guess he needed to be more specific and say " when u prepped for this trial did u SPEAK AT ALL". Lmao
He said let’s get to the brass tax where’s your phone lol
A cop doesn’t have ring cameras all around his yard- right… c’mon man…. Zero camera viewing of area around basement exit-?
??!!
Why would anyone, police officer or not, have doorbells all around their yard?
@@enigma9605Ring don’t just do doorbell cameras. They’re a brand that does internal and external cameras for property.
Apparently the chief across the road had a camera but "there's nothing to see here" it wasn't turned over.
My mom married an ex cop. He has four locks on all doors and sleeps in a locked room.
@@rhiannon7163
Sounds like he has a bit of PTSD.
I thought BA cross was so good. We learned so much through the evasiveness as well as through the objections. Seeing what their afraid of is do telling. It’s a story within a story
A court order was to preserve his phone was left at the front desk of canton pd for Higgins. When he received it he called Detective proctor & was extremely angry. ( apparently this is in Proctor’s case notes) Proctor informed him that it wasn’t the State asking for it that it was the defense. Higgins got rid of the phone anyway.
You mean Brian Albert lied his butt off
@lawyeryouknow At the 1:24:30 ish mark ... Brian Albert Jr. flat out lied!!! He testified the 2 vehicles were facing "up towards cedar crest" and the "passenger side doors" were "facing the house". This is impossible!!!!! Cedar crest is north, so if the cars were facing cedar crest, the driver side doors would have been facing the house! He lived in this house for over 20 years, he had to have know which way cedar crest street was! 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️ I hope the jury picked up on this blatent lie!!!!
why is there no information about the neighbours? Did they talk to the neighbours? There is a dog with propensity to bark loudly, there are numerous vehicles coming and going, there are police there at unusual hours. Anyone got info on this? Did they just not hear anything?
The resident opposite is also a cop. His ring camera wasn’t working that night, which is remarkable.
That’s what they testified to.
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I've been following this case for two years, since it happened. I actually grew up close by and I dont have any personal friendships with any of them but it's a small world and there are ties between them and some people involved. Before I had heard anything from anyone and prior to finding out there was a connection between people I know and some of them I came to a quick realization that this was indeed a frame job. Now two years later after digging in deep and knowing what they have as evidence and then what I've heard through others who know of this family and some others involved, I don't have a clue how this is in trail.
Auntie Bev said so. It's unbelievable isn't it. I'm so shocked Officer O'Keffe's family seem to be buying the prosecution narrative. Day 10 and they're trying harder to prove this family didn't kill Officer O'Keffe than proving that KR did. I hope the jury are waiting for this defence team and justice is served here but sadly, with the botched investigation, I doubt Officer O'Keffe will ever get justice.
I like Bill Smiths theory regarding another, higher speed vehicle hitting John.