Apple River stabbing trial: Witness attempted to aid victims
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- Опубліковано 2 кві 2024
- Eric Von Williams was tubing down the river with Nicolae Miu, but he'd met him the day they got to the river. Von Williams said he was the only person from the group who went over to help after the altercation, and when he returned to his group, none of them asked what happened or spoke and they floated away with no music playing.
He testified after the altercation, he never spoke to Miu again.
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You have five people that were stabbed, peoples intestines are hanging out you got blood all in the water, and nobody asked the question nobody else helps. This gentleman goes to assist comes back nobody says a word, and they all just go floating away. What the hell kind of people are these?
weird emotionally detached people
Totally bizarre.
Exactly what the hell is wrong with his group. They floated away like nothing happened.
Yet all these wackos blame the kids for being dumb ass kids
What triggered that whole thing?
These people are a perfect example of fairweather "friends"...
This witness is awesome….. one very sane gentleman.
Note to self - NEVER EVER GO TUBING ON THE APPLE RIVER.
I decided 10 years ago it’s not safe.
It’s tainted probably haunted like bad juju
Or never fly a plane, drive a car, go camping, etc. Stay inside wrapped in bubble wrap.
I’m sure every river and body of water on earth is a graveyard.
I am perplexed by the two people from Miu’s group who have testified so far. With the exception of this man’s efforts to contact 911 for the victims, no one discussed what happened, no one asked Miu what happened, they continued to float in silence and leave as if nothing happened. I am shocked.
Yeah, I don’t believe that for a minute. Anyone in their right mind would ask “what happened?” “What was that all about?”. Especially after hearing the blood curdling screaming afterwards 😳🤦🏻♀️.
It doesn’t seem believable. He assists with a dying teenager and a teenager who has been gutted. Any normal person would have been traumatized. I believe he was too by admitting he called 911 repeatedly and was ready to get off the river afterwards. But didn’t speak a single word to any of his friends in his tubing party. I call BS.
Cuz they know miu is a troublemaker
Especially since it appears his friend Ernesto was right there in the mix. He is shown in one of the photos, so he’s right there. No possibility he was unaware Miu was the perpetrator with the knife. Unless Miu was refusing to speak to anyone 🤷♀️ because he didn’t want to incriminate himself. Remember he came back to their tubes and put a hat and sunglasses on (disguise?) He anticipated getting to the exit and escaping, he had no idea his picture was given to LE and they were waiting for him at the exit. Hence he didn’t want to speak to the people he was with, pretending he didn’t do anything 🤷♀️
Those weren't his friends. Sounds like someone invited him for Diversity's sake. " I Have Black friends Style". Dude had never even met most of the group. Per testimony.
@@robinw2613
How strange, that they didnt even discuss what happened, just floated on in silence.
How bizarre is that. Like they all knew…..I’m betting there were some ‘side-eyes’😳
They didn't trust Williams after he stayed and helped and called 911, so they all agreed to stop talking once he got back. I am surprised they even waited for him to come back.
One thing I am confused about, if Williams called 911, and KNEW mui did the damage to these kids, and KNEW mui was over on the tubes waiting for Williams, then why didn't he give him up to the cops? Confused
@@citrusbloom7504 cause they lied. Its obvious.
@@justiceberzerkerlied about what?
These folks all worked together. I can't begin to imagine the work environment now.
I’m willing to bet none of them would feel safe with him coming back to work with them if he’s acquitted.
No more office birthday parties anymore, THAT'S for sure
Some of them worked together. Some others were just invited. Very sad though what happened that day n
If he were my coworker, was acquitted, and came back to work, I'd feel the safest near him. Shyt's not going to happen on his watch!!
Mr. Williams provided excellent testimony. As he was the only person in Miu’s
group to go assist the injured people. Going back to his group, everyone was ‘silent’ and pretended like Miu hadn’t just stabbed 4 people and murdered another. They proceeded to float past the carnage of Miu and go to the exit. Williams was the only person to show humanity in Miu’s group and also thought Miu snorkeling was creepy.
His testimony was excellent. The teens said Miu said nothing, group 2 said Miu said nothing when they came to help the teens, this witness said Miu said nothing. Miu is a psychopath. It was creepy that Miu was snorkeling in ankle deep water. This witness knew Miu was drunk and something bad was going to happen. Also him being the only person in Miu floating party to help the victims and call 911 says a lot. If he thought Miu was attacked by these 13+ people why would he go help them just to get hurt/attacked himself? Because he knew Miu was wrong and there was no danger!
@@tiffylynn2059 I completely agree. 👍
@@tiffylynn2059say what you want, it's still self defense
@@tiffylynn2059isn’t he on video being attacked by 13 ppl?
@@Dave1969-rh7uynot when you physically initiate it it’s not.
Am I the only one that thinks it’s so weird no one asked questions when he went back to the group?
It’s chilling. I have so many questions. Did Miu have blood or cuts on his person? Didn’t his wife even ask what happened? Why wasn’t the rest of Miu’s group not concerned about danger to themselves? Did anyone notice the knife missing/ where was the knife disposed of and when?
Yeah he lied and said he didn’t have a knife too.
I think they were afraid and just wanted to get out of there with as little contact with him as possible
@@princessbuttercup5928I agree. From personal experience, when I’ve been in groups with someone super pissed off, or after a big fight just happened, most people just stay quiet ‘cause they don’t want to set them off or get yelled at. I think it’s very possible they were afraid of him at that moment. I would’ve certainly been, especially after they saw that people were injured and bloody.
It was a traumatic experience for everyone involved.. they all were in shock.. stunned disbelief of what just happened.. a group of drunk belligerent clowns attacked someone from his group and the guy had to defend himself.. it had to be a harsh contrast to the way a beautiful day on the river started out
Stabbed five people from 3 other groups, so 3 different groups of tubbers in bathing suits just met and they all wanted Miu dead (feared for his life) without any weapons. Then Miu didn't say anything after stabbing and killing people and floated away with his group. Is that about it?
Yep in a hen basket😢😮
Pretty much
Wait til you hear the tall tales he told in his police interview.
Did he say doesn't know Miu?
@@SunFlower-sf1gowhat did he said?
Dude stabbed multiple people straight up killed a kid & disemboweled another. Floated away like nothing happened. That's not wild or f****** crazy. I don't know what is
Guess they shoudnt of been jumping him huh😂
Dont attack people then
These oldies are worried about young drunk people doing bad things and the only one who committed a crime was the fat old fart.
Yep that's the crazy part isn't it? If he really feared his life was in danger he would have immediately told his group that and the cops as well... Instead he lied to everybody.... Threw the knife away and acted innocent 🤬
Looks like the old fart couldn’t handle being mocked for being a perv. The old wise one should’ve walked away and ignored the kids, and nothing would’ve happened. Instead, he stuck around looks like the old fart made the piss, poor decision, because look at him now.
I don’t feel like the lawyers are digging deep enough and enough asking relevant questions. God bless Mr. Williams for helping in the way he did. I pray he is healed from the trauma caused by what he saw that day.
I do too, that trauma would haunt you forever, Mr Williams seems like such a sweet, caring gentleman.
God bless him ❤️🙏🏻❤️
I don’t believe not a single word was spoken after. Every group has “that one”🧐
@@maryjanesnowI don’t get it either. What does this even mean?
@@rockstarofredondo @maryjanesnow That one means a person who wants to know what is going on or can't shut up. Chatty. Who wouldn't ask what was going on when there was a bunch of yelling and screaming involving one of their group members.
@@ZeroPhilosopherno it means “ that one” is a person like Mui who everyone knows is a ticking time bomb waiting to go off, so when something finally happens u are not shocked, instead afraid that u were right all along.
And boy do they regret inviting this ONE!
I can tell by his attitude that he doesn't want to be there. If you are told to testify, you are forced to do so under threat of imprisonment and being a witness can drag out for days. If he tells them he talked about the incident with other members of his group, they may be forced to testify as well.
Why is no one telling him to move closer to the mic?!
It got better after a few minutes, I think they turned up the volume on the mic at the witness stand. But yes, not sure why they didn’t ask him.
I don’t think it was him I think it was the mic itself , because he stayed in the same position but the volume got better further into the video.
@@fj_3204 Agree, that is why I think they turned up the volume on the mic. What a great witness, an intelligent man and compassion person as well.
Or sit up, or stop fiddling with the effing bottle, or pay attention to the questions, or give a clear concise response... I have found this lacklustre half assed witness a complete frustration.
He's got nothing important to say.
Williams looks and sounds like a model citizen. He displays virtue and real education.
Yes, and extremely troubled to have been with Mui
I hope he understands not all white people are bad. I can name like 2 or 3
He has a respectable image. But I don’t believe that he didn’t speak a single word to his party about what he saw or the badly injured teenagers afterwards. I’m sure he was traumatized by what he witnessed.
@@robinw2613 why would he lie about not speaking a single word?
@@robinw2613 I think it’s entirely possible, the group was silent. Very possible they didn’t want to anger Miu and or what would they say ‘did you just stab all those people?’ No, I can see stunned silence 🤐
This attorney for the prosecution is sooooo inexperienced… it’s so painful listening to him struggle through this case. He should never be the lead. After 5 days he still cant make his questioning flow.
If my husband or friend acted out of character and got in a violent altercation I'd be so concerned and asking questions. If I was scared of my friend or husband I would also silently float down the river and try to get away from him without angering him or risk him turning on me.
Right and she divorced him already.
Everything you said. Da-m, this ISH is heavy.
Miu ain't "normal", and he definitely ain't "right", I mean seriously imagine me, you or any reasonable person in his situation, like how the f does it get to how it ended, I'm still shocked, like, did that really happen, is this case real? Everything about it seems so f'ing strange and like the wrong next decisions on Mui's part. Dude ain't right.
@@MontanaPDXto protect assets most likely.
Exactly! I think they were probably pretty scared of him. I’ve never been in a scenario this serious, but I have been in a group where a man suddenly got disproportionately angry or 2 men fought and this is the response in the rest of the group. Everyone just goes quiet and nothing is discussed until that person leaves.
He says he is 47 so much he forgot his real age on the stand 😂
Generalizing that all young people are trouble especially when they are drinking is unfair. However when the teenagers were creeped out about an older man by himself carrying goggles and ignoring their questions about what he was looking for by their tubes, they are considered trouble makers.
The lawyers are desperate to blame that they were at fault for harassing an old man and therefore he had no other choice but to use brutal force against them because he was punched for assaulting a young woman, even after being told to leave the teenagers alone and was eventually knocked into a couple inches of water were he proceeded to slash his knife into human flesh.
I pray the jurors are more intelligent than the commenters saying that this man who stabbed several people, gutting one, and killed another, is innocent, because that’s absolutely asinine.
100 percent
All zoomers are trouble keep coping tho normal people side with the old guy FREE HIM
lmao u must be a boomer or millenial@@rain_M4V7
They all were wrong
No one was innocent.
You cant hear him very well
Can't hear him. Then I heard him later
He was too backed off the mic.
I think the mic is off
I like how in the picture of their group, there’s one tube with 3 coolers in it but no one in the entire group got drunk?!?!?!
Boy, let me tell you if the killer was in my group I would be all in that filthy water trying to get away from him. I would gulping in all that water darn near drowning in ankle deep water trying to get away. I would be screaming, crying, praying, hollering, passing out. I couldn't get away fast enough. I don't care what teens were yelling at you. Grow up. You don't get to stab and punch unarmed people. Where are you from?
BASED!!!💯💯💯💯💯
Lol you support gang beat downs of an old man. You're evil
Facts 💯💯💯💯💯 that man was the adult .... In the situation.....but no he was a f****** wildabeast to these teens nobody should have lost their life that day and 5 injured periodt ...... A mother a sister and father have lost their love one over nonsense make that make sense he needs to be locked up with the key thrown away he was and older dude that knew better and let his anger get the best of his emotions ..... Folsom prison is the right place for Mr MIU !!!!!!
@@Legginthere were some from a third group that were at least in their mid 20s.
THAT CREEP should have kept it PUSHIN... HE HAD NO BUSINESS BEING AROUND THOSE KIDS... he's a sucka! He could have used his fists not a damn secret FILET KNIFE HE HAD HIDDEN IN HIS BUTT on a recreational river... no wonder why he didn't have an inner tube LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.. he knew it would POP given that he was armed & dangerous looking for a chance to execute murder. KIDS WILL BE KIDS. LIFE NO PAROLE!
Mr. Williams is the only known member of the defendant's group that actually called Emergency Services and only 1 of 2 from the same group of 10 who offered any assistance to the defendant during the incident. Surprising revelation, initially I assumed the defendant was alone.
No, at least one other did call or at least says she did.
Why would you go DOWN river to look for a lost phone? Wouldn't the phone basically drop to the bottom of the water?
Someone in his group lost a phone and he went to go find it.
@@briannasteele6074 if thats the case why did the person who lost there phone come with him? or even better just tell the group hey we lost a phone around here if u guys happen to find it just let us know it would be appreciated and most people i know because I'm there age would help them look. and his group was smart they would of had someone come and try and de escalate things
@@Its_Ghostexactly if he just asked for help from them. Instead he approached them pretty aggressively, gave me the impression he was looking for trouble
it was in a float cover but it sank anyway, may have thought it floated downstream in the bottom of the river.
Because you lost it down river and you kept floating past it?? 🙄🙄🙄
The fact that he was worried that NIc would seem like a predator to other people...speaks VOLUMES.
1000%
Don't be so naive. Of course they asked questions. Of course they talked. They're just not admitting to it.
A bit too coincidental for me.
Yup because of those drunk ass teens were harassing him
@@soupnfresh no because Nic was socially odd and his friend knew it could be an issue , just watch the vid Nic looks like a possessed serial killer just not talking with a blank stare and grin, Nic was creepy whether he intended to be or not and his friend knew that
I feel like the defense is desperately trying to put words into each witnesses mouth or twist their answer. And repeating questions in different ways, trying to get the answer they want. Even the judge is getting tired of it.
Agree, the defense badgers the witnesses relentlessly until they say what the defense wants or are so confused they don’t know what they are saying. Good comment 👍
exactly and these people think the jury is going to let him off. the conduct of your counsel affects the jury's decision too.
He's basically testifying for them with his narrative and most of the victims are too traumatized to recognize what he's doing. It was a 3 minute slaughter and bloodbath and the defense can't stop talking about was it a punch or a slap to Madison and trying to make it look as though they are lying because they can't remember.
Yep
@@malcriadamedina5358sadly the jury will let him off because the prosecution went for murder 1, and though I 100% think it was, there simply is not enough overwhelming proof that he came back that second time with intent to kill, despite him smiling and re approaching despite them demanding he leave
This poor chap just wanted a day tubing down the river, and despite warnings or concerns about being near the group of intoxicated kids; Mui still goes against the advise and now his group are put in this situation. Mr Williams did not want to be in this situation, nor on the stand today!...
the xenophobic teens terrorised an older man
for a tik tok video
they sadly learned a valuable lessong you dont bully and threaten eastern europeans who grew up HARD
not american hard but eastern euro HARD
@@AlexandrawOfficial_Lexistop that narrative, words doesn’t equal violence
@@AlexandrawOfficial_Lexi wtf are u talking about?? Just say you agree with the defendant and keep it pushing without the theatrics..
@@elpapito7809 they were racist and ageist
@@lavish_rayne5730 no theatrics
you amerikan lefties are xenophobic and learned a lesson from a non amerikan
So every adult except Nic was aware that Nic shouldn't go towards the drunk teens... Sounds like he premeditated an altercation.
Exactly, it’s common sense. They were beyond obnoxious, especially the camera guy, but people seem to forget that Miu, without even saying a word, was antagonizing them as much as they were him. And this witness says he warned him not to go, but he still decided to go. He was looking for a fight, knowing he had a deadly weapon on him. You don’t go up to a group whose members had already expressed they don’t want you around them unless you’re intellectually disabled (which we know he wasn’t), or you’re looking for a confrontation at the very least.
@@Xandreta it's kind of like the garbage taking itself out.
Yeah especially the black dude that acted like a loud mouth. He instigated it then cried like a girl after it happened.
Lets hope u are never anywhere near the justice system
@@btafewhy, because they stated the obvious? Anyone who can stab 5 people run into the woods change his appearance and deny knowing anything about the incident, actually stating to police when apprehended "what's going on? I heard someone was stabbed" if he want guilty he would have stayed or at least defended his actions when he was confronted by law enforcement. He didn't do that bc he thought he got away with it!
I like this guy.. he seems chill
i bet he wouldnt have knifed anyone if they called him a raper or pedo
@@malcriadamedina5358 we never know but i have a hunch you’re right. Then Again, I bet a lot of people who know the defendant, wouldn’t have thought that he would have done what he did either.(allegedly and/or proven based on video evidence).
@@malcriadamedina5358 and as he advised mr. Miu, he wouldn't have gone over there in the first place the way Mui did, cause he knows it's suspect behaviour. Da-m. ISH is too heavy.
Ok let me try to get this right...So after a loud altercation that involved Nicolai being called a "raper," Nicolai being involved in a fight and being punched into the water, Nicolai calmly returning to his group while people scream in terror behind him, Eric seeing people injured on the ground, then Eric returned to Nicolai and the rest of his group - no one talks about it??? No one asks, "how are the injured people?" "What just happened?" They just tube down together in silence - no music or anything - and expecting to leave without talking to anyone else about it?
If this were true - who are these people? If this were true, they'd be cold-hearted, have no sense of empathy for others, have absolutely no sense of responsibility or accountability to their community, and/or would have to collectively be so incredibly repressed/detached from their feelings that they are incapable of expressing themselves with each other and would also be too scared of their feelings to say anything. They would all be significantly mentally ill if this were true.
Or..... they are lying - and probably made some agreement while they were floating down the last part of the river together - to cover for Nicolai. This is the same Nicolai who, thinking there wasn't a video taken, ditched the knife and lied to the police about what happened. These are the actions of someone who thought they did something wrong and didn't want to be caught. This is the same Nicolai who had that weird smirk and creepy look in his eye while he held the knife waiting to use it.
Also - this dude and the wife both seem off.
The whole situation - comfortably violent Nicolai and his creepy and/or lying group, the teenagers being drunken childish ding dongs, the bystanders escalating the situation (with good intentions) - and then the obviously underqualified prosecution - it all feels like we're in some sort of bizarro world.
The only sensible person in mui group was Williams, the group most definitely talked about it while Williams was away,and stopped after he returned.
You have raised some excellent points. I've been bothered the most by his testimony.
Why would they lie for him though? That’s a serious crime. I would not commit a serious crime for a friend. Would you? Is it common for people to do that?
The defendants group was trying to help him get away. In my opinion some of them should have been charged with accessory after the fact especially the Ernesto guy who actually walked away with him and was with him when he threw the knife. Because if you're with somebody or a group of people and one of them or some of them commit a crime, and you guys leave together and you end up knowing that they committed a crime and don't say anything or call police, you turn yourself from a witness to a co-defendant. There's actually many people in prison right now for just being there with someone who committed a crime and leaving with them and not saying anything because they didn't want to get involved but when you know that the person just committed a crime and you're willingly leaving with them and fleeing the scene you now put yourself into the criminal category
I honestly think that this man was thinking “What in the hell have these white people gotten me involved in “! I am not joking when I say this. When he went to aid the injured, he became aware of what had happened…logically. I am quite shocked that he even returned to the group and floated away with them. He definitely seems more logical than making a decision like that. You never know how you will react until you are in someone’s shoes.
i agree.im mixed & that’s a statement my dad would’ve said after breaking up my irish uncles bar fights. this man probably remained quiet out of fear after helping & the group not probing any questions just added to the “what the hell....” sentiment he felt.
Race has nothing tonight do with this
@Estecubanyou would hope not.
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Noise for sidebars with anything else? Music? Ocean sounds? a thunderstorm? Aye yai yai
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Microphone starts working at about 8:20 just fyi
Ty!😊
Thank you 😘
Thank you!
Thanks 😊
Did any of the young people stab anybody? No
Did they attack the non threatening man first? Yup
@@rain_M4V7 non threatening man? He's 54 with a knife sporting chains all over his body. Why tf would you need a pocket knife to go tubing?? Explain that? To cut ropes?? Get real
@rain_M4V7 the kid he gutted was 17. Don't stick up for the punk coward
@@_J0N_TAFFER not illegal to be 54, "sport chains", or carry a knife.
First of all you can't tell people what to carry around or how to dress, just stfup with that you are not the fashion police. Yes, cutting rope to tie tubes together is why you need a knife, and arguably very good in court for the defendant. He was glad he had it because winded up getting jumped by drunk people who act like you. Complaing about the way he looks, stfup look in them mirror @@_J0N_TAFFER
People act inappropriately every day of the week and in every city and state of this country. That's not the point. The point is that five people were stabbed and one died. No one can use lethal force in the absence of lethal threats or the serious potential for great physical harm. This was not self-defense. You can't stab unarmed people for yelling at you or even threatening to punch you (Miu actually threw the first punch). That's absurd. These people were not waving guns or knives. Miu will be convicted and go to jail for the rest of his life.
No,Mr.Miu did not throw the first punch.He was hounded,heckled,verbally abused in an inflammatory manner and potentially slanderous manner,calling him a paedo,with no children present anywhere by complete drunken weedheads, to provoke him and incite a riot by a heavy weight wrestler heckler 18:22 ,and THEN he was STRUCK .After he was struck by a female in a mob of 12 or 13 people,he eventually took out a knife.But he did originally shove their tube raft after being verbally harassed, and then he walked away,but they assembled around him anyway,to their own misfortune and others.
You are right that he may be committed and jailed, but you have to see both sides. That punch was probably the only thing that was not recorded. He was surrounded, demeaned, pushed, held down in the water…. Remember he has a right to go where he wants just because some one say go doesn’t mean he has too.
I agree, Mui's actions are untenable; and note the first person he assaulted was a young woman, one third his age, and one tenth his size. That action alone demonstrates Mui's true nature.
@@jnissi5091 Mr.Miu was assaulted FIRST by one of the women,and that reveals THEIR true nature.Plus all the lieing they have done.Mr.Miu did not approach them.Mr.Miu did not say one word to anyone.Those two female beasts got up against him,yelling and screaming at him,shoving a camera in his face,and HITTING him,they had to cross the river to come over and join a heavy weight wrestler and his 5 friends to do so.The father of Maddy who claims she was struck said he sent his two sons over from his family's group of tubers to that raft of strangers,she with an alcohol can in her hand.Puhleez.Those females want to pretend to be the boss of a man and enter the abuse of a man by a drinking, pot smoking football defensive end/200 lb heavy weight wrestler and his 5 friends and her 2 brothers,then they had better read their Bible that says a woman should not be the boss of a man,or teach a man.Mr.Miu was snorkeling by himself when the young men's mob started harassing him,he shoved their raft,and DEPARTED.Those young men approached Mr Miu a second time,because they just couldn't get enough of tormenting him,and called those females over,criminally slandering Mr.Miu the whole time,all yelling and screaming,while he said nothing.The Devil is these liar's father.They told him to "go away"??!!!He was standing ALONE,when they all approached HIM.If females and males want to get aggressive and slander and assault and witch hunt strangers for fun,then why would they think they are privileged and untouchable and above the law.If you can't take it don't dish it out.Sober and honest people are TIRED of problems with JUNKIES and DRUNKIES.
@@jnissi5091 Thanks for your comment. I was becoming very depressed by the significant inability of so many people to see the obvious truth. It's sort of like discovering that half of the folks in your neighborhood have been afflicted with the zombie invasion. For me that's actually worse than the horrific tragedy of a mother losing her son and the terrible wounds those other young people experienced. I can't even imagine. All the best and stay safe.
@12:00 you'll catch that he got the pedo vibes from Miu before the fight. Mr Williams was already trying to stay away from the group of kids. He said that he didn't want someone to think Miu was up to no good looking in the water.
hmm good observation but beside that i think the video is to clear the miu guy is really Fkk3d plus a knife is 10x harder to sell for self defense. 2 different groups stab all basically saying the same thing plus the black guy from miu group is basically in alinement with the other 2 groups. its sad but Miu just sperged out which happens but he happened to use deadly force with a knife sliced all types of people up and k1lled a 17 year old smh
Because he was up to no good.
I wonder why the state didn’t ask why they never spoke again? Seems to me that he had strong opinions on why he never wanted to talk to him again.
This guy had so much anger at these kids that he decided to act on his emotions. Doesn’t give you the right to kill a human being. The moment he decided to grab their tubes and confront them was his biggest mistake. Don’t know if he has kids but I’m sure he would’ve condoned someone stabbing his child because someone was mad! If everyone was mad at words, we would be a society of animals.
He moved to this country at 15, entered a high school, likely had a shifty time socially, perhaps acquired anger at peers, maybe even got bullied. Seems like he snapped.
F...... absolutely right. I can't believe the amount of people who dont understand.
Because he had some feelers that he was weird, and i think he was really looking at the teen boy's and got his chance with the phone search .
I agree: He wanted a free feel of the cute "boys" that's why they called him a pedophile and also probably why his wife divorced him...Its the guys he wanted that's why he punched the girl!
The prosecution is not strong, confident, or organised
so defense attorney thinks it's okay to stab "young people if they are intoxicated"...but older idiots can do as they please.
While also drinking. a beer wasn’t the weapon of choice 😂
EXACTLY!
Or a bunch of young idiots think they can gang up on someone for being old.
Pretty much. Hopefully the jury is reasonable and convicts Miu
@@JH-pt6ihnone of the teenagers "jumped" that crazy old man. He was struck by the friend of the woman Miu punched. The other young man was trying to break up the fight when Miu disemboweled him. How is that possibly construed as "jumping" someone.
You can tell this is an honest gentleman, he struggled with some of the questions as if he wanted to be a witness for nic but wasn’t just going to agree if that’s not what happened. The last question for example about nic being in shock or looking “somber” or even the attorney trying to portray young people as threats. He literally looks over to the DA to object because he isn’t willing to lie but also doesn’t want to hurt nics case. He was also the ONLY to help the injured or call for help. Bless this man ❤
I hope for justice for Isaacs Family n for the other victims that were stabbed
This witness has almost nothing to say. Worthless.
He knows more I have a feeling. He struggled with his answers.
"At some point, did officers think that..."? What? Objection, your honor. The witness does not claim to be clairvoyant. How can he possibly testify as to the thoughts of others?
I believe Mr Williams. Personally I wouldn’t have asked a murderer about a murder he had just committed especially after the murderer lied and said nothing happened when they initially asked him. Secondly Mr Williams was helping the disemboweled teen, he was probably very disgusted at nicks actions and just wanted to get away
Right but why didn't he tell 911 or the cops when directing them to where the victims were that a crazy guy from his group did this? Even if he did not see the actual stabbings he had to have known Miu was involved since he witnessed people on top of him then watched him walk away from the group like a zombie holding the knife then tossing it. Makes no sense that none of the group from Miu's party had a clue that he was the guy stabbing people.
@@SusieQ1971 Mr Williams He was the only person from the group that helped the victims. He actually walked with a cop to show him where the victims were. And prior to Mr Williams helping the victims, the group asked Mui what happened and Mui told them nothing… however Mr Williams saw the victims and immediately went to help. The rest of the group was in denial
@@SusieQ1971Maybe he did tell them.
Attorneys are keeping the judge busy with all the leading questions that are causing objections.
So his own friend thought him snorkeling up on people didn't look good and he was concerned about it, yet the teenaged boys were supposed to be ok with it? Miu's friends don't really know him very well. He clearly has 2 sides to his personality.
He wasn't Mui's friend.
Williams had just met Miu the same day. So it makes no sense to cover for him.
The guy murdered someone’s son ….. period I don’t give a f what the reason murder is murder
Snorkeling is a normal water activity. Why did this dude think Nick was going to look like a creeper because he was jewelry/phone hunting?
Why didn't Nicks group go to see what was going on when the yelling of "pedophile" started?
Very bizarre that they just ignored the whole thing.
The fact his friend here on the tubing trip thought what he was doing appeared creepy is telling.
Because he randomly lunged at the tubes, blocked their way. Never explained what he was doing. Oh, and the water is murky and only 12 -14 inches.
Common sense. Obviously he was right because a group of kids thought Mui was a pedo due to it
The water was like a foot deep, how do you snorkel in that
Because he is a black man and he is LOGICAL 😉!
A Minnesotan will spot your fire, alert the authorities, pull grandma out of the attic bedroom, and save the puppies/kittens. Then, go on to teach their Sunday School class like it's an average day.
I can see we’re all split just about 50/50 on this incident from these comments. There’s a chance the state may have overcharged this case, but here’s my take -
These boys were underage drinking and drugging - terrible.
They were creeped out by an old man they thought was high or trippin, and acted like a bunch of mean girls - terrible.
Others came around to their defense and escalated things - terrible.
That being said, this man acted like a total creep that day, and if you’ve ever had teen brothers, or raised teen boys, you know that they act like idiots a lot of the time, whether drunk or not. This man ran over to them, stuck his hands in their stuff, touched one of their legs, stayed there after being asked to leave, and refused to just walk away, which he EASILY could have done over and over again. He got physical first, and then it was on. No one pulled weapons, no one threatened to kill him, no one trapped him. He gutted and stabbed several people, and walked away like nothing happened. The most damning thing for me is that he took no action - he should have called 911 himself, should have looked for or approached police himself, tossed the knife, acted like he had no clue what happened, lied to detectives, and played dumb. That is total consciousness of guilt! And that’s why I believe they charged him the way they did. Personally I believe he’s guilty af, but we’ll see what the jury says.
You have completely mischaracterized this entire episode. It is nothing but your spin and speculation. I suggest watching the video in it's entirety, you know, the one where they shove him in the water, surround him, and repeatedly punch him in the water. You and yours are very interesting takes -- the fantasy ongoing is amazing.
How does an Engineer ruined his life carrying a small knife, over a cellphone 📲.?
Why in the world does all these clothing questions being asked. That group can drink and be ok but not the others he stabbed?
because after he tried to evade police by changing apperance
Did an adult stab someone? Yes
LOL so because someone is 1 year under being a legal adult they can do whatever they want? Better hope you are your future children don’t FAFO like the deceased juw
the xenophobic teens terrorised an older man
for a tik tok video
they sadly learned a valuable lessong you dont bully and threaten eastern europeans who grew up HARD
not american hard but eastern euro HARD
Did a 17 year old participate in jumping a man? Yes.
@@rockstarofredondo after the man that was jumped punched a girl, Kyles seem fine with punching unarmed women in here
From Germany 🇩🇪
Thank you Mister Williams that you did care about the strapped young peoples, you are the ONLY true person from your group. God bless you and your beloved once ❣️🙏🌹
This man looks disgusted with what Nic did. Clearly thinks he is guilty. Best witness all week. Why don't they ask him if he and Ernesto were afraid of the kids?
Is it legal in Minnesota to consume alcohol in public or being drunk in public? It sounds like a good majority of the people involved and surrounding this event were drinking 😶
The Apple River is in Somerset, Wisconsin. Yes, drinking is allowed there. It's common knowledge. They're making a huge deal about that to discredit the witnesses in order to create reasonable doubt.
Hell ya! "Tubing" is about being drunk/high/stupid/semi-naked" in public, with strangers. If you encounter someone who is NOT acting drunk/stupid, THAT would be a shock.
Look at all the people who dont know how to fight in comments supporting the man who brought a knife to go tubing "bc his friend asked him to" nobodys believing that bs, also as hes sporting chains all over his body he claims he was just " looking for a phone" the older group drank way too much
I don't think this prosecuting attorney is up to the job.
Good, honest sounding testimony from this man. You know he is kicking himself in the rear end for joining them that day. Boy, he is very levelheaded and reasonable in his thinking of the defendant snorkeling up close to other groups.
He and the wife were very believable.
Quite unbelievable that he was the only person from his group to show concern and try to contact 911. Beyond comprehension that the defendant thought he would just FLOAT AWAY DOWN THE RIVER!
More unbelievable is the behavior of those nasty kids.
Their parents failed them totally.
Prosecutor is so bad at forming questions it's hard to listen to
When defense attorneys attempt to defend the indefensible, the only way is to discredit the victims and witnesses. It's just business.
I agree (that it’s indefensible) but there’s no doubt this group caused someone to react in a way that they have never done before. If you don’t know someone’s limits, I suggest you don’t test them. This guy truly snapped, but they poked the bear repeatedly.
A gang of drunken high hooligans taunting someone speaks for itself
Can you tell how annoyed this man is about all these stupid questions
Funny how the wife told the court about being concerned that her husband had been beaten but no one asks a question about what happened. Then Mius friend was also a witness to what the knifer had done but no one bothers to question what happened.
See this man has sense. Would have never been in the same situation as Mr. Miu.
I believe as an aged man of color, this witnesses mind is always on alert as to trouble looming ahead and how to avoid or what can or should be done to prevent any altercation taking place. Such as keeping your distance from aggressive drunk young white people. Apparently Mr. Miu didn’t feel the same threat and comfortable
What kind of parents are okay with letting their children get sh*t faced drunk tubing??? That’s the question everyone should be asking themselves. Failed parenting often leads to this….
The pack leader is guilty as hell for the whole situation calling 7 more people over to his calls and this man, who thought there was a pedo it’s why this guy came!
They didn't discuss what happened because it was obvious to EVERYONE what had happened. They knew Miu had just stabbed those kids. Probably wanted nothing to do with him after that. Didn't want to be any part of it. That's why they didn't speak to him. The fact that they asked not one question shows they didn't need to. They ALL knew!! Mr. Williams literally said he has not spoken a word to Miu since that moment he went to help the kids. Not one word since! His friend! Speaks volumes.
He just met him that day so they weren’t friends.
Oh I bet they talked about it.. while he was helping them. Then they silenced the group before he got back and isolated him because he helped. (My theory) Seems so evil not to ask and not to be concerned..
Also, The wife didn't ask? I mean come on.. that's the first thing I would do. There had to have been some conversation when he returned. I don't believe it. Very cold people (even toward their own spouses) if that's the case. "I was so concerned about his safety I didn't even ask a question when he got back to safety!" Lol
This guy did awesome!
Haven't watched hers yet.. wondering now what she says!
He was a normal guy when he was in their group but once he walked about 30 yds away with some snorkeling gear he became THE PREDATOR
Exactly!!!!
Snorkeling beside a group of teenagers. I wouldn't want some old man doing that beside me either
Why did Mui go down river towards the youth to look for the lost phone? If a phone was dropped wouldn't you look upstream in the direction the tubers had traveled from?
I believe Miu approached the teens because they were shouting insults at him. Doesn't justify his actions but it just seems to me he ran up on them out of anger from that.
@@lovesilk1not true
A good, responsible man, truthful testimony, fair.
Based on the positions of the rafts, the phone couldn’t have been in that area as they haven’t passed that pint yet. They were upstream
IF it had a semi floaty case (some say it did) it may have tumbled along underwater. Even so, that means it could have been anywhere and under the teen boys tubes is the last place Miu should have ever looked.
@@MrBubba311 Mio wanted to "Snorkel" The young lads "Tackle"...Thats why they called him a pedophile and he probably was!
Speak into the Mic please....nobody asked him to do so?
I don't understand anyone thinking something is wrong, off, strange, weird, or could be misconstrued about a man in swim shorts, snorkeling, in the water. That's a normal day on the water in my world. Yet, it turned all these peoples worlds upside down within a few minutes.
Smirking in 12 inch water is actually weird
@@Jazlin92665not if you’re looking for something. And if it’s weird to you, who cares? Mind your business. Why start harassing some random person just because you think they are weird?
He grabbed the teens tubes and didnt respond to them when they asked why just a blank creepy stare IDK seeing the look on that guys face if I had been a parent on the scene it would have been instant red flags
@@sundog6820 His pupils were totally dilated in the bright sun. You can see that clearly when he first approaches the raft. He was on something.
He could be an Engineer Nerd with really bad social skills or Autistic.
It’s like everyone is against him, he was obviously in shock, I could see that as a viewer.
This man the only decent person in the miu group
I would have walked back
You can't stab 5 people in public because you get pushed down...that will set a horrible precedent
Pushed down, they were beating a 53 year old man recovering from a triple bypass heart surgery.
I know this is emotional but these bullies under the influence of booze and drugs which they admitted to under oath.
@@chaplainsoffice6907yes pushed down, not held under water, and only after he grabbed and shook their tubes and hit a young woman (after he may or may not have been looking at girls butts under water). What are you defending here? It’s sad
@@chaplainsoffice6907 thats a lie and people like you are the worst to have on a jury. you completely made that up!
@@chaplainsoffice6907 Beating? LMAO
If that psycho was worried about his heart, he wouldn't have instigated this entire thing. No, he was looking to hurt someone from the moment he started tipping people out of their tubes without saying a word.
@@chaplainsoffice6907ua-cam.com/video/iL3Ah2b9IRY/v-deo.htmlsi=jRF_i1kNWIku4pwF
Not only is he completely lying, but he says "Kids being kids".
Obviously he didn't feel that way.
He was offended by intoxicated teenagers, and instead of removing himself from the situation and remaining a happily married man with a career, he made himself a target and used it as an excuse to release his anger. And if you go watch the incident footage again, even though a punch isn't captured in frame, did they all instinctively jump him at the exact same instant for nothing?
What the Hell, your friend stabs someone and you just want to get away from there.
That’s not his friend. He met him that day.
Is this the prosecutions first case as it seems an absolute incompetent shit show and there's video of the incident ffs! I just hope the jury just takes in whats on the video and find this angry violent old man (that didn't want to look weak by walking away after he ran up to them silverback style, nigh on thumping his chest and couldn't back down after they told him to leave them alone) guilty.
Not guilty. They want to act like a tribe,that's when the blades come out😂
There was something going on before the video started which triggered the one recording to start.
High-school class could do better prep for a murder trial
I feel really sorry for the jury.
@@triciac1019I don't think he needed triggering, he's just a turd thinking he'd catch his friends acting stupid, and could use it
Peoples mindsets, have collectively, declined. This man is guilty. There is no deviation from it. And he is now PAYING for it. Period.
Maybe..they should end the tubing at this river, since drinking heavily, adults and underage, appear to be the main attraction and tubing a second choice..Do they not have authorities checking to see underage drinking and bullying and God knows what else happens there. Sounds like one dangerous place of recreation to me.
Im still wondering, who else did the group of thugs harass previously during their "fun and games" at the river.
Awkward
What does the age have to do anything? They should not be killed... However, definitely something is off with Miu and the group.
The drunken kids do have some responsibilities if you watch the videos. It's a complete mess.
What this witness said makes it seem he was worried that Miu be perceived as a predator before the incident happened. As if Miu had that in him. That’s how it seemed to me.
It's normal in Europe to have much older or younger friends. It's called diversifying your circle of friends. Americans are some paranoid people. All so religious though and peace-loving.
Yes! They knew he's a pedo and was looking for an excuse to go mess with them kids!
“The pedophile thing.” I don’t get it. Why would kids draw the conclusion that a man who is minding his own business in the water is a pedo? Idk. Guess it’s me, but I didn’t think that way as a teen and still don’t really think that way as an adult.
Same I wouldn't think that neither
Can't hear him
Don’t both of these lawyers get away with a lot of “leading” questions?
Absolutely!
The defense attorney is allowed to ask leading question. The prosecution is not allowed to ask leading questions of their own witnesses...
@@mangos2888 true
Human behavior is not to be understood. It is only to be examined.
Jason Young
Can someone turn on his microphone?
?????mic on?????
nope
Nicko the Sicko
This witness so doesn’t want to be there.
If this guy Eric Williams was helping to show the cops where the injured victims were, why didn't he tell them that one of the guys from his party was involved in the entire altercation? He had to have known the cops and everyone were looking for him. Same with Ernesto and the rest. Ernesto had a front row seat to the stabbings, why did he just remain silent and not let the cops know? I get it that these people came with Miu and possibly did not want to rat their "friend" out but Eric had just met Miu that day. So to just act like they have no idea who stabbed these people is insane. That makes them accomplices or aiding and abetting.
Nic gutted 5 people with precision within seconds as if he had trained and practiced it in front of a mirror since his stint in the military.
Mr. Williams doesn’t have to keep the secret cuz he’s not Mui friend. The others are keeping the friend code, silence. It’s sickening. The body cam shows Mui say, “what’s going on? I heard some kids got stabbed and I happen to match the description.” That’s deceptive. None of this would have escalated if Mui hadn’t hit the girl. He already had the knife out when he hit her then stabbed the other girl.
Maybe they are all afraid of the defendant. Look how he messed up all those people in the river!!! I wouldn't want to testify against him with him looking at me in the room either!!!😮
What? This is such a ridiculous statement. These young adults acted like bullies. Doesn’t sound like you’ve been paying attention to the sequence of events and overall story…
Sara: agreed. Very obvious who knows the facts and saw the video
@@cortneyrensall the commenters that don’t know the case side with the pack of hyenas that they keep calling “kids”.
I said the same thing--they didn't want to be his next victim.
If you are broadcasting to the public be ready to have your computer ready. That way there is no empty spots in between conversations.
I'm sorry, but at 13:57, I burst out laughing, because for a second or two, I couldn't figure out what the hell he was doing.