This is why I love the Sixth Doctor more than any other. While I dislike the new series having made The Doctor essentially a god, he is nonetheless a being on another level than the species he protects. I feel that Colin Baker's portrayal was the most realistic one could have in that situation. He's a highly intelligent rogue alien from an advanced race that effectively goes around, fine-tuning the universe the way he wants it. How could he NOT have an ego?
@@WindyREDPanda And this is why it’s better to let a new Doctor pick their own clothes. David Tennant wanted a long coat like Tom Baker, and he got a coat and he looked awesome in it! Meanwhile, Jon Pertwee wanted a modern suit for his Doctor, but was forced into the smoking jacket. Nothing against the cape of course, I like the cape, but I definitely think a modern suit would’ve worked great for the Doctor’s exile on Earth. They could’ve swapped to the Victorian clothes after The Three Doctors.
THE GRINDING ENGINES OF THE UNIVERSE! THE CRUSHING BOREDOM OF ETERNITY! *insane laughter* The Doctor for a very brief moment goes mad upon realizing he can’t die, can outlive most of the people he cares about and the fleeting sense of adventure in the role of a hero will inevitably lose its luster at times. Sure, it is just the regeneration messing with him, but that split second lapse in sanity from what could be an existential crisis is still unsettling.
Here's one better "The danger must be growing for the rowers keep on rowing, AND THERE NOT CERTAINLY NOT SHOWING ANY SIGNS THAT THEY ARE SLOWING" *Instant scream*
As bad as the episode was, Colin Baker’s energy, ability, wit, charm and enthusiasm in the series and job really made it a must see. They did find a unique if not distinctive gimmick for the 6th Doctor as a manic, bipolar split persona instead of just the irritable shouty , unpleasant figure.
I really wish they had kept up the manic bipolar persona, at least, have it come out in small outbursts like this throughout his run as the Doctor. That would tie in nicely with the whole Valeyard plot with a festering malevolence inside him that he needed to overcome in order to become the 7th Doctor.
dibdap237 that’s what I finally said in the last 20 years after re-examining the Colin Baker era. In other words let Colin play himself as the 6th Doctor instead of JNT and Eric Seward writing the same loud irritable nonsense that just repels fans. They did it right in the comic strips with the much more whimsical character. Overall the subplot of the 6th Doctor wanting to be in isolation as a hermit. That is because the Spectrox really whacked the Doctors regeneration so hard that his nerves and personality needed actually healing to get it right.
@@digipeeper Name of the Doctor implied there's another reason why the 6th Doctor was so erratic. Granted, this idea was introduced long after Colin Baker's era but when the Great Intelligence jumped into the Doctor's Time Stream, Vastra specifically stated that one of the places where the Doctor died was Androzani. One of Clara's echoes no doubt prevented the Intelligence from doing enough damage to disable his regeneration but considering Peter Davison actually thought he was dying and Colin Baker suffered from bipolar disorder for a while, it seems the Intelligence got closer to destroying the Doctor than usual.
You have to imagine Peri's absolute terror and fear at this time. She's travelled with this strange man in a police box, he seems to die, changes his appearance suddenly and then he's acting like this. What would YOU do were you in Peri's place?
My favorite Doctor, and favorite introduction of a new one. Peter Davison's Doctor was good, but Colin's really made me sit up and take notice! So vivid! So distinctive! So unapologetically in your face. Wonderful! Wonderful! Wonderful!
I do think this is the best post regeneration scene in DW ever I like the way he talks about regeneration like its his eternal youth like he believes that not even the gods could destroy him that's what I like about his personality he thinks of himself as a god
Tbh I really like this doctor for some reason. While I find his choice in clothing a bit wacky for my taste, there is something about his personality that's entertaining for me.
"There is no change, no rhyme for Time, no place for Space, just the grinding engines of the Universe, the crushing boredom of Eternity." Lines like that and they say Colin was let down by bad writing? Hmm...
I think he was. Particularly because that entire moment was really out of character for him. A scene like that should've gone to the Joker, not the fucking Doctor!
Lucky Peri was the companion for the Sixth Doctor. A rather passive companion who didn't challenge him. If he had a companion like Tegan, Donna or god forbid Clara there would be punches thrown. Blood across the TARDIS floor. He'd probably have thrown Clara out by the end of Into the Dalek.
Cameron Joseph Videos have you even seen any of his other stories? Peri and six were very argumentative. A lot of their interactions in Season 22 involved bickering.
I’d say either Tom’s whole ‘I’m the Doctor the definite article you might say’ and finding his costume is great or 11’s fish finger and custard sequence and meeting Amelia are much much better than this scene
There's a LOOOOT wrong with Twin Dilemma, but none of it is Colin, who is magnificent. It's just frustrating the writing does such an awful job of introducing his Doctor. Having the Doctor become erratic, dangerous even, that's fair enough. The problem is that there's then no real moment of redemption for him as the story concludes, particularly in terms of his relationship with Peri. He needs to re-establish her trust (and in doing so, that of the audience) and for reasons I can't fathom, the script instead just has him beome a little less unstable and then sort of stops Mestor - and even then, that's only through Azmael's sacrifice (The Doctor's entire plan is basically just to kill Mestor). What Twin Dilemma desperately needed was a genuine act of bravery from the Doctor, ideally to save Peri's life. Without that, his redemption doesn't feel earned. And given the decision to have this story conclude season 21, that meant this was the last impression people got of the new Doctor for almost a year, before his first full season began in 1985. And sadly, that meant a lot of people had already made up their minds, based purely on this story.
Yeah, the story literally ended with the Doctor saying "I am the Doctor, whether you like it or not." It almost felt like the line was directed at the viewers. The writers were basically saying "We want this to be cancelled. Please stop watching the show"
Are you guys forgetting the scene where the Doctor outright said "I must go to her!" when he realised Peri was in danger? As soon as he heard that she was in trouble, his first instinct was to try and save her. Granted, Peri didn't know about that but it was made crystal clear to the audience that the Doctor cared.
From that perspective that makes at lot of sense I only within the last 10 years been a fan of Dr who and so have the ability to watch all past episodes without waiting. That would make it difficult to want to watch more of Dr Who.
Just after the regeneration, he starts to fall into short periods of paranoia, which he can't remember. At first they're disturbing and shocking, (trying to choke Peri) but they gradually become rather funny as comical as they lessen ( wanting to become a galactic hermit). Peri toughens up, too, fighting for the Doctor to get back to his old self. And he does recover in the end of this story. It's an interesting situation, the Doctor struggling to get back to being the hero from a period of near insanity. But it's often not appreciated by fans, which is sad because Colin and Nicola play it with a lot of commitment and energy.
I think I read that for Time Crash Peter actually wore Colin's version of the fifth doctor's outfit we see here because he had put on weight since the 80s and now has a similar build to what Colin has here
The 6th Doctor must have had the most stressful of all regenerations probably because of how different the 6th Doctor was to the 5th one, since the new series revealed that regeneration takes perhaps a day to compete itself and the Doctor during this process is practically two incarnations at once until it's completed.
If Six had an identity crisis like Twelve and had a little amnesia, the writing could have depicted him struggling to remember he was the Doctor and his promises to be kind and courageous. At least the audios do that.
After seeing his 6th face in the mirror,the Doctor seemed to forget that he copied the body of Maxil,who was in command of the Time Lords‘ guards during the Arc of Infinity case when he was brought back to Gallifrey via the recall circuit.
RightEyeRaptor or it might have just been a reaction to 5. Like after losing so many of companions the Doctor decided to try and be a bit more hands on and in your face. Kinda like how 8 decided to be more friendly as a reaction to 7
John Nathan-Turner: No hanky panky in the TARDIS. Also John Nathan-Turner: I'mma base the dynamic of Six snd Peri on Darcy and Lizzy from Pride and Prejudice. Lol. We know Sixey was supposed to originally have a character arc ala Darcy where it was revealed that he really wasn't as bad as Peri first paints him, but folks in the fandom seem to massively underestimate just how much Peri was prejudiced against him initially. Lots of fun getting to see their first interaction.
Strange that the Doctor has forgotten about Maxil,who was Captain of the Time Lords‘ guards on Gallifrey and whose body the Doctor unintentionally copied for his 6th incarnation after saving Peri‘s life.
I imagine hartnell's doctor was the 6th one here in his prime. A father, a husband, and a granddaughter on the way. I could see him say when he finds out he's going to be a grand father, a natural metamorphosis and renewal.
My top 5 favorite Doctors: 1. Colin Baker 2. Sylvester McCoy 3. Patrick Troughton 4. Matt Smith 5. Peter Capaldi But this is just my opinion. This story isn't great, but Colin Baker is the only thing that keeps the story from being 100% terrible. Personally, I like to consider Attack of the Cybermen the true first story for this Doctor, and that this story was just a bad dream that the Doctor had. Again, just my opinion, if you disagree, that's fine.
I love how Colin's Doctor makes fun of his previous "incarnation" that's what i love about these regeneration episodes like "my last incarnation oh i was never happy with that one it had a sort of feckless charm which simply wasn't me"
@@johannahyde-parker8422 well charm was the hole point of his character, he was basically a blonde haired blue eyed "shining knight" cliche ya know like the "perfect man" like what the germans obsessed with in world war 2 the hole "stereotype" about blonde hair and blue eyed Hercules well that's basically what the 5th doctor is I mean his final episode pretty much speaks for itself about his doctor but don't get me wrong I do like him too he is my second favourite besides tom baker still being number 1 for me in the classic who
I recently saw some footage of some earlier work from Colin Baker and was struck by what a pretty boy he was! If a 25 year old Colin (or Capaldi.. or Troughton for that matter) took the role today, all those Tennant and Smith fangirls and fanboys would instantly forget their idols. Panties would drop!
or make fun of his prevoius incarntion like what the colins doctor did, saying things like "my last incarnation oh i was never happy with that one it had a sort of feckless charm which simply wasn't me"
I think that's part of why I like this scene (even if the rest of the episode is bad) I like that the Doctor isn't just "well this is me now" he's like "yes, now we're talking, this is what I want". It works even better with the whole regeneration madness. Maybe it's a coping mechanism that this incarnation had
@@johannahyde-parker8422 well charm was the hole point of his character, he was basically a blonde haired blue eyed "shining knight" cliche ya know like the "perfect man" like what the germans obsessed with in world war 2 the hole "stereotype" about blonde hair and blue eyed hercules well that's basically what the 5th doctor is I mean his final episode pretty much speaks for itself about his doctor but don't get me wrong I do like him too he is my second favourite besides tom baker still being number 1 for me in the classic who
I feel like this scene works after you've listened to a load of 5 and Peri's Big Finish stuff, since it means she's actually had time to get used to the Doctor.
Colin was such a volte face that you almost thought they'd depth-charged the show, but I was weirdly up for it at the time. There's a point in your life when you have to stop being conciliatory and this is the Doctor's!
These "grinding engines of the universe" sound like a great idea for an opening title sequence in the new show. That is, if anyone could conceptualise such a thing.
I know 5th had taken it off during his final moments in the previous story, but imagine 6th in 5th's costume with the celery still attached to his lapel lol
I may be in the minority, but I actually liked Colin Baker as the Doctor. I don't think he got a fair shake. He did the best he could with the poor costuming and sub par writing choices by producer John Nathan-Turner, neither of which Baker had any control over. I think it's sad that he basically got made a scapegoat for the show's problems. That being said, he did have a few really good episodes, such as "The Two Doctors" (which saw the return of Patrick Troughton and Frazier Hines) and the entire "Trial of a Time Lord" arc.
I do think this is one of best post regeneration scenes in DW ever I like the way he talks about regeneration like its his "eternal youth" like he believes that not even the gods could destroy him that's what I like about his personality he thinks of himself as a god
I like the 1st episode of the twin delima a lot. It is all about psychology and how no 6 copes with it. I would watch Doctor Who with my dad. The scene where the New Doctor says to Peri How do I look. My dad answers bloody awful greeing with Peri. I regularly dig out the twin dilemma to watch and always enjoy it. Despite losing his job Colin Baker has always been so supportive of the show. When he guest appeared in the Power of the Doctor he told Jodie Whittaker she was the boss. Decent of the man. He's a very nice fella at the conventions and to meet at the bar.
A very fine actor doing his best with material that was often subpar and some shockingly stupid creative choices imposed upon him by the production team. Plus the unprofessional behaviour of a BBC Controller who publicly criticised a BBC production which was starved of funds and sabotaged by the broadcasters mismanagement. Mr Baker was an absolute professional under trying circumstances. He did some great work, as you can see above. What might have been? Many thanks to Big Finish for giving Colin Baker the opportunity to fully explore his interpretation of this beloved character.
Season 22 is anything but 'subpar', it's one of the best in the show's history. Where is the insight here? How is this different to any other comment you'd see on any other comment section in any online content vaguely related to the 6th doctor. You can parrot the portentous phrase 'what might have been?' to your heart's content - but what do you want? Well I don't know - what might have been?
@@tost6956 Please read my comment again. "Material that was often subpar" That is a general statement, in relation to Mr Baker's era. I thought it was obvious that a lot of Mr Baker's era was solid with some great material and one story that is arguably a stone cold classic. However, there are many moments and a couple of complete stories that do not work. Season 22 is indeed, a very strong season with at least one outright classic story. The very prescient "Vengeance on Varos." The season is also littered with misjudgements. The Cryons of "Attack of the Cybermen" are painfully panto, just ridiculous and let's not get into "Timelash". Change is at the heart of the programme's longevity. Both in front and behind the scenes. That should have happened in 1984. It didn't. We're told that the Producer's job was a poison chalice that no one wanted to touch. Perfectly understandable when budgets are shrinking, BBC production practices are outdated and you have a Controller who trashes the programme, complaining that it's outdated and it's production values do not hold up to U.S. shows. Something he could and should have done something about. His answer was to put the programme on a 18 month production hiatus. What might have been? A new production team and a broadcaster working with Colin Baker, rather than against him. A move to single camera (16mm film) production with the improved visuals that it allows. A 10 x 50 min Season, co-financed by a international production partner. Sound familiar? Would it have been a tough change? Absolutely, but not impossible. That didn't happen. The programme struggled on with talented people trying to do the best with what they had. Mr Baker was replaced. A new Script Editor tried, admirably to rebuild the programme.It was cancelled. the fans kept the spark alive and the rest is history. It is possible to love the programme while also recognising and commenting on what doesn't work.
@@defanged9630 All the scenes of Colin Baker & Faith Brown are perfectly written & performed. DW is better than any other programme, so by copying other programmes (shooting on jittery, dusty 16mm film with muffled audio, & mismanaging the budget & slowing down the pace to a halt by producing single-part, 50-minute stories), would not improve DW, it would do the reverse. Look at Star Trek TNG. They blew their budget on film, a massive ship interior & a massive cast, so there was no budget left for them to "explore new world" or "seek out new civilisations". All they did all day was heart-to-heart scenes between stiff, humourless cardboard cutouts. Instead of wishing that DW was a boring, American Star Trek spin-off, just watch one of those boring, American Star Trek spin-offs.
@@FreeAssange Thanks for Your response. Firstly, 16mn film is not inherently dusty or jittery. Those issues are introduced by poor camera maintenance and older telecine technology. The "Spearhead From Space" blu-ray shows the gorgeous results of shooting on film. Muffled audio? Audio is always recorded separately. Mixing, dubbing in post before conforming to the picture. Muffled audio is not related to film. Star Trek:TNG is rightly regarded as a worthy successor to the original series. However it is not perfect. The first two seasons are rough as the series had a rotating roster of writer's who found Gene Roddenberry's concept of a perfected humanity, a nightmare to write for. The series finally hit its' stride in its' third season and produced some of the best science fiction on television. They didn't blow their budget on 35 mm film. That format was the crux of U.S. television production until the 21st century shift to digital production. CBS Paramount brilliant HD remastering of the series shows the fantastic results of shooting on 35 mm. Your description of ST:TNG, better reflects modern Star Trek under Alex Kurtzman's guiding hand. Re-working DW into 45-50 minute episodes does not slow down the pace. Quite the opposite. Exhibit A, the revived series. Yes, we agree DW is the best programme on TV. Just, without the panto, please.
What made the production crew of Doctor decide to have the regeneration happen near the end of the season instead of the end of the season as they used to do? The Twin Dilemma was the last story of the show‘s 21st season in 1984.
And the Twin Dilemma is still, in 2018, considered not just bad, but among the worst of all time? Take the doctor's dress sense and multiply it by a thousand, and you pretty much get how poor DW fandom's taste is. This scene is genuinely great - it's hilarious (particularly when he tries to show Peri his reflection and his doom-laden speech whilst sinking into the clothes rack), well executed and has an appropriately outlandish score.
I’ve never heard anybody critique *this* specific scene, though. As good as this scene and some of the other ones are, people generally dislike TTD because of the rest of the story (ie. the space police stuff and the annoying twin geniuses) rather than this bit, so it’s kind of disingenuous to say that people have poor taste and point to this scene as an example of that, when this isn’t even the part of the episode that people have a problem with in the first place.
@@iHuzza I didn't point to this scene as an example of what fans criticize, I just pointed to the scene as that is the scene of the video that we are commenting beneath and wanted to praise it incidentally. But before that I also wanted to give my express my confusion at the reception of the entire story as that's what the majority of comments are on TTD vids. I just put my two short thoughts in the same comment to be concise. I can't do anything but assume that people are either indifferent to the scene or dislike it, given that there is little in the way of anyone factoring this scene or indeed any other positive factors into much of the fandom's reviews.
To St Oh, good to know. And to be honest I think that’s kind of the case with stories that are regarded as badly as TTD - people tend to forget about good individual scenes because they aren’t enough to save the story by themselves, especially when (like this scene) they’re at the beginning of the story and are so vastly outnumbered by the later, much more questionable scenes. Out of curiosity, what is the worst DW story in your opinion?
@@iHuzza Of the original series it would be Arc of Infinity, but if we are including the revival then it is very hard to pick - but I think The End of Time or Twice Upon a Time are strong contenders for the worst ever. What about you? Perhaps you love the ones I stated.
@@tost6956 We're not so different tbh - Of the classic era stories I've seen, I'd say Paradise Towers or Warriors of the Deep are by far the worst, though I'd probably change my mind if I saw some of the other notoriously bad stories, like Time Flight or Timelash. I haven't actually seen Arc of Infinity tbh and I wasn't aware that it had *that* bad of reputation, the only criticisms I've heard about it are of the pointless section taking place in Amsterdam, so I guess I'll have to give it a watch. In terms of the new series, I'm not really sure to be honest. It would most likely be a 12th Doctor episode, but even then the number of choices are vast (Twice Upon a Time, In the Forest of the Night, Hell Bent, The Magician's Apprentice to name a few). Quite sad really, when the 12th Doctor has good stories he's up there as one of my favourites, but the quality of writing was inconsistent as hell.
Strange that Peri never asked the Doctor how many times Time Lords can regenerate after seeing him change in the blink of an eye and seeing him later laughing in the wardrobe room.
azure rainbow well it wouldn’t have been her first thought. Her first thoughts would’ve been more about the fact that he had just changed right in front of her.
🇬🇧🙋🏾♀️Sweet, sweet, sweet! That says it all! 😂👌🏾Loved this side of the Doctor ❣️ The only thing that took the edge off this incarnation for me was Bonnie Langford 😑
Having the American Peri say "rubbish" does not make sense. I'm not saying Americans don't say rubbish but we most likely don't. I'm just saying it's more likely the person writing this episode didn't realize that and wrote the line for Peri anyways. I noticed that a lot with Peri. I noticed it even when I was 7 years old in the eighties watching it on PBS that her English was not natural American.
I wish Colin had gotten more time as the Doctor. There, I said it. And no, it wouldn't have interfered with what came next if not for that stupid 18-month hiatus. Thanks, Michael Grade 🙄
Most post-regeneration Doctors looking at themselves: *confused, surprised or even horrified*
6th Doctor: Oh my God! I'M GORGEOUS!!
All other doctors: Narcissus
It's what makes the 6th Doctor unique.
This is why I love the Sixth Doctor more than any other. While I dislike the new series having made The Doctor essentially a god, he is nonetheless a being on another level than the species he protects. I feel that Colin Baker's portrayal was the most realistic one could have in that situation. He's a highly intelligent rogue alien from an advanced race that effectively goes around, fine-tuning the universe the way he wants it. How could he NOT have an ego?
Quite right. 👍🏽👍🏽
6: "I'm not people Peri!"
11: "People, do I look like people?"
This is why I love DW
This is the only time the Doctor has been proud of his new face.
To the Doctor, this is the perfect specimen.
Time Lord Victorious? More like Time Lord Fabulous
This is the first time I've seen the Doctor instantly smile at his new look
(1:41) It was at that moment Colin Baker realised what he's going to wear in his entire run.
The face of absolute regret.
He actually wanted to wear a Black Velvet outfit... But we got Clown without the make up.
The 2 doctors outfit was awesome they should've used it more
@@WindyREDPanda And this is why it’s better to let a new Doctor pick their own clothes. David Tennant wanted a long coat like Tom Baker, and he got a coat and he looked awesome in it! Meanwhile, Jon Pertwee wanted a modern suit for his Doctor, but was forced into the smoking jacket. Nothing against the cape of course, I like the cape, but I definitely think a modern suit would’ve worked great for the Doctor’s exile on Earth. They could’ve swapped to the Victorian clothes after The Three Doctors.
@@GatorOne-in7hk However, The 11th Doctor's first outfits, picked by Matt, weren't too great, and his last is much better, and well-regarded.
6th: lives for literally minutes
also 6th:"i was never happy with my last incarnation"
THE GRINDING ENGINES OF THE UNIVERSE!
THE CRUSHING BOREDOM OF ETERNITY!
*insane laughter*
The Doctor for a very brief moment goes mad upon realizing he can’t die, can outlive most of the people he cares about and the fleeting sense of adventure in the role of a hero will inevitably lose its luster at times.
Sure, it is just the regeneration messing with him, but that split second lapse in sanity from what could be an existential crisis is still unsettling.
Here's one better
"The danger must be growing for the rowers keep on rowing, AND THERE NOT CERTAINLY NOT SHOWING ANY SIGNS THAT THEY ARE SLOWING"
*Instant scream*
@@minekurtmininer216
Classic Wonka😂
As bad as the episode was, Colin Baker’s energy, ability, wit, charm and enthusiasm in the series and job really made it a must see. They did find a unique if not distinctive gimmick for the 6th Doctor as a manic, bipolar split persona instead of just the irritable shouty , unpleasant figure.
I just love how he gave no fucks about his appearance.
I really wish they had kept up the manic bipolar persona, at least, have it come out in small outbursts like this throughout his run as the Doctor. That would tie in nicely with the whole Valeyard plot with a festering malevolence inside him that he needed to overcome in order to become the 7th Doctor.
dibdap237 that’s what I finally said in the last 20 years after re-examining the Colin Baker era. In other words let Colin play himself as the 6th Doctor instead of JNT and Eric Seward writing the same loud irritable nonsense that just repels fans. They did it right in the comic strips with the much more whimsical character.
Overall the subplot of the 6th Doctor wanting to be in isolation as a hermit. That is because the Spectrox really whacked the Doctors regeneration so hard that his nerves and personality needed actually healing to get it right.
@@digipeeper Name of the Doctor implied there's another reason why the 6th Doctor was so erratic. Granted, this idea was introduced long after Colin Baker's era but when the Great Intelligence jumped into the Doctor's Time Stream, Vastra specifically stated that one of the places where the Doctor died was Androzani. One of Clara's echoes no doubt prevented the Intelligence from doing enough damage to disable his regeneration but considering Peter Davison actually thought he was dying and Colin Baker suffered from bipolar disorder for a while, it seems the Intelligence got closer to destroying the Doctor than usual.
This scene is absolutely incredible. Probably my favorite post regeneration scene of them all
I agree with you. This is my favourite incarnation of the Doctor too. Classic. He's quite mad and that makes him what he is...NON Human and an Alien.
You have to imagine Peri's absolute terror and fear at this time. She's travelled with this strange man in a police box, he seems to die, changes his appearance suddenly and then he's acting like this. What would YOU do were you in Peri's place?
run
+Aaron M J Fisher Peri got used to Peter Davison's doctor and each doctor acts different just after regenerating
Ngl despite her reaction, she kinda took it better than Rose and Clara.
@@CaptApril123 run where?? when the Tardis is travelling through the space vortex
The music is amazing, really helps show 6 hasn't still recovered yet and is losing his mind
@Jack The Film Fanatic Ah Jack we meet again. Malcolm Clarke ftw!
@Jack The Film Fanatic Not that I'm aware, but if I was, so would you be ;)
@Jack The Film Fanatic Thanks
Can almost hear the beating of the masters drums as he collapses.
1:40 The Doctor's Joker moment.
Six and Colin are highly underrated.
Yup.
then again so is Five and Peter Davison there underrated too
@@SiouxW4rrior38565 6 and 7 are underrated
@@pearadiss but you have too admit their theme tunes are cool though especially 5's theme which I personally think is the best one
@@SiouxW4rrior3856 honestly i think the 2nd 6 one is the best, its just so.. i dont know the word for it
Peri was really rude about the Doctors new face. No wonder he tried to strangle her soon after this.
I know right?
True
yeah don't fuck with colin
what the fuck?! Seriously?
I forgot all of this. She was kinda asking for it.
*not really, but you know what I mean*
I’m fairly sure this is the only time the Doctor has regenerated and actually liked how he looked 😂😂
I was about to say 10 too but then I remember he found his new teeth to be weird and complained he's not ginger lol
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My favorite Doctor, and favorite introduction of a new one. Peter Davison's Doctor was good, but Colin's really made me sit up and take notice! So vivid! So distinctive! So unapologetically in your face. Wonderful! Wonderful! Wonderful!
I do think this is the best post regeneration scene in DW ever I like the way he talks about regeneration like its his eternal youth like he believes that not even the gods could destroy him that's what I like about his personality he thinks of himself as a god
Tbh I really like this doctor for some reason. While I find his choice in clothing a bit wacky for my taste, there is something about his personality that's entertaining for me.
1:18 - 1:24 The way he hits the door in between his line is just excellent.
"There is no change, no rhyme for Time, no place for Space, just the grinding engines of the Universe, the crushing boredom of Eternity." Lines like that and they say Colin was let down by bad writing? Hmm...
I think he was. Particularly because that entire moment was really out of character for him. A scene like that should've gone to the Joker, not the fucking Doctor!
@@DoctorWhoKage look at the eighth. Some of those lines were repeated by even the 8th Doctor and Moffat.
Lucky Peri was the companion for the Sixth Doctor. A rather passive companion who didn't challenge him. If he had a companion like Tegan, Donna or god forbid Clara there would be punches thrown. Blood across the TARDIS floor. He'd probably have thrown Clara out by the end of Into the Dalek.
Cameron Joseph Videos have you even seen any of his other stories? Peri and six were very argumentative. A lot of their interactions in Season 22 involved bickering.
Absolutely THE BEST post regeneration scene in the show's history .
I’d say either Tom’s whole ‘I’m the Doctor the definite article you might say’ and finding his costume is great or 11’s fish finger and custard sequence and meeting Amelia are much much better than this scene
@stephen noonan No.
I think the best one is Patrick Troughton's, unfortunately only bits and pieces of it survive, well at least the have the animated version
@@quietdemon8138 No 11's post regeneration episode sucked it was mediocre
@@SiouxW4rrior3856dont know what to say about that
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Excluding John Hurt, Colin Baker and Capaldi are the two best actors to be cast as The Doctor.
Nowhere near as over the top as Matt Smith, though.
@Jack The Film Fanatic For conventional acting, maybe, but for the doctor, it is just his passion. Charismatic irrespective of that.
And both were treated like absolute trash
HandledMage 6036 Its an absolute shame they didn't get the stories they deserved
And tennent??
There's a LOOOOT wrong with Twin Dilemma, but none of it is Colin, who is magnificent. It's just frustrating the writing does such an awful job of introducing his Doctor.
Having the Doctor become erratic, dangerous even, that's fair enough. The problem is that there's then no real moment of redemption for him as the story concludes, particularly in terms of his relationship with Peri. He needs to re-establish her trust (and in doing so, that of the audience) and for reasons I can't fathom, the script instead just has him beome a little less unstable and then sort of stops Mestor - and even then, that's only through Azmael's sacrifice (The Doctor's entire plan is basically just to kill Mestor).
What Twin Dilemma desperately needed was a genuine act of bravery from the Doctor, ideally to save Peri's life. Without that, his redemption doesn't feel earned. And given the decision to have this story conclude season 21, that meant this was the last impression people got of the new Doctor for almost a year, before his first full season began in 1985. And sadly, that meant a lot of people had already made up their minds, based purely on this story.
Yeah, the story literally ended with the Doctor saying "I am the Doctor, whether you like it or not." It almost felt like the line was directed at the viewers. The writers were basically saying "We want this to be cancelled. Please stop watching the show"
This scene is well written though, as are all the sixth Doctor's lines...
Are you guys forgetting the scene where the Doctor outright said "I must go to her!" when he realised Peri was in danger? As soon as he heard that she was in trouble, his first instinct was to try and save her. Granted, Peri didn't know about that but it was made crystal clear to the audience that the Doctor cared.
@@NerdX151I'm one of the few fans who enjoy watching ALL the classic stories without complaining about anything
From that perspective that makes at lot of sense I only within the last 10 years been a fan of Dr who and so have the ability to watch all past episodes without waiting. That would make it difficult to want to watch more of Dr Who.
Just after the regeneration, he starts to fall into short periods of paranoia, which he can't remember. At first they're disturbing and shocking, (trying to choke Peri) but they gradually become rather funny as comical as they lessen ( wanting to become a galactic hermit). Peri toughens up, too, fighting for the Doctor to get back to his old self. And he does recover in the end of this story. It's an interesting situation, the Doctor struggling to get back to being the hero from a period of near insanity. But it's often not appreciated by fans, which is sad because Colin and Nicola play it with a lot of commitment and energy.
“A Nobel Brow!”
Self pride much!
Glitched gamer 99999 “clear gaze”
Brandon Hudson lol
Lol I know right. Personally I think this doctor was a bit of a prat.
Glazier Blue all the doctors are a bit of a prat at some point
Noble
I love how he's like "I'm a snacc yo!!" when he first sees himself when every other Doctor goes "OMG WHO DAT?? Oh is that me? Oh dear..."
I think I read that for Time Crash Peter actually wore Colin's version of the fifth doctor's outfit we see here because he had put on weight since the 80s and now has a similar build to what Colin has here
Honestly, the 6th Doctor looks great in the 5ths outfit.
Jesus, when he did that laugh i momentarily forgot this wasn't another Joker origin story!
He'd have been a pretty cool Joker tbh
@@morningcoffeecat2271 yeah, he'd have been a better Joker than Doctor.
@@DoctorWhoKage well i think he was a pretty good doctor in Trial of a Timelord but he'd have been a good Joker too
Dude, after the Joaquin movie came out that laugh sounds STRAIGHT out of it.
Colin Baker with the laugh at the end, would've made a great Joker 😂
6 is definitely my favourite classic Doctor
I love him, he's gorgeous
The 6th Doctor must have had the most stressful of all regenerations probably because of how different the 6th Doctor was to the 5th one, since the new series revealed that regeneration takes perhaps a day to compete itself and the Doctor during this process is practically two incarnations at once until it's completed.
Classic Who had already established that regeneration takes time. And can go wrong.
If Six had an identity crisis like Twelve and had a little amnesia, the writing could have depicted him struggling to remember he was the Doctor and his promises to be kind and courageous. At least the audios do that.
After seeing his 6th face in the mirror,the Doctor seemed to forget that he copied the body of Maxil,who was in command of the Time Lords‘ guards during the Arc of Infinity case when he was brought back to Gallifrey via the recall circuit.
Colin Baker, a fine testament to your fine career
@Jack The Film Fanatic I was talking about his performance that he was told to perform. I know the story is bad.
Baker's incarnation started out way too violent sadly.
But in retrospective he was a nice opposite to what Davison's character ended up being.
I personally thought the poisoning had affected Five to the point it seeped into Six's personality, hence why he mellowed out later on.
RightEyeRaptor or it might have just been a reaction to 5. Like after losing so many of companions the Doctor decided to try and be a bit more hands on and in your face. Kinda like how 8 decided to be more friendly as a reaction to 7
For some reason, this comment is making me think of The six (The sixth incarnation of the eleven)
John Nathan-Turner: No hanky panky in the TARDIS.
Also John Nathan-Turner: I'mma base the dynamic of Six snd Peri on Darcy and Lizzy from Pride and Prejudice.
Lol. We know Sixey was supposed to originally have a character arc ala Darcy where it was revealed that he really wasn't as bad as Peri first paints him, but folks in the fandom seem to massively underestimate just how much Peri was prejudiced against him initially. Lots of fun getting to see their first interaction.
This is probably why Thirteen just dropped Yaz off. Sick of going through this again. Had to do this with Rose and Clara too.
Thanks for uploading. A timely reminder of how brilliant Colin Baker was (and still is - thank you Big Finish) as the unpredictable Sixth Doctor. X
I like Colin baker. A very good actor. Let down by poor storylines and rubbish dress sense
Sounds like most couples
Robert F Hart What? I love his clothes! It makes him unique
DarkAngel 4472 same
@@DatGayGoblin There's a point where you're too unique, tho,
Though character wise, it does fit.
What are you talking about? His dress sense is incredible.
Strange that the Doctor has forgotten about Maxil,who was Captain of the Time Lords‘ guards on Gallifrey and whose body the Doctor unintentionally copied for his 6th incarnation after saving Peri‘s life.
I imagine hartnell's doctor was the 6th one here in his prime. A father, a husband, and a granddaughter on the way. I could see him say when he finds out he's going to be a grand father, a natural metamorphosis and renewal.
My top 5 favorite Doctors:
1. Colin Baker
2. Sylvester McCoy
3. Patrick Troughton
4. Matt Smith
5. Peter Capaldi
But this is just my opinion.
This story isn't great, but Colin Baker is the only thing that keeps the story from being 100% terrible. Personally, I like to consider Attack of the Cybermen the true first story for this Doctor, and that this story was just a bad dream that the Doctor had.
Again, just my opinion, if you disagree, that's fine.
Love how he shows Peri the mirror 🤣
I love how Colin's Doctor makes fun of his previous "incarnation" that's what i love about these regeneration episodes like "my last incarnation oh i was never happy with that one it had a sort of feckless charm which simply wasn't me"
I loved the 5th doctors charm
@@johannahyde-parker8422 well charm was the hole point of his character, he was basically a blonde haired blue eyed "shining knight" cliche ya know like the "perfect man" like what the germans obsessed with in world war 2 the hole "stereotype" about blonde hair and blue eyed Hercules well that's basically what the 5th doctor is I mean his final episode pretty much speaks for itself about his doctor but don't get me wrong I do like him too he is my second favourite besides tom baker still being number 1 for me in the classic who
Peri was so underrated
That laugh is pure Joker!
I can't be the only one who thinks that 6 is probably the most handsome of the Classic Doctors, next to 8, right? Even 6 seems to think so.
As we all know, Colin and McGann are indeed the gods of Doctor Who.
I recently saw some footage of some earlier work from Colin Baker and was struck by what a pretty boy he was!
If a 25 year old Colin (or Capaldi.. or Troughton for that matter) took the role today, all those Tennant and Smith fangirls and fanboys would instantly forget their idols. Panties would drop!
How would peter davison rank in handsomeness
5 is good looking too probs the best looking out of the classic doctors
@@actor_emmarose-clarke him and Paul
It's such a tragedy that they missed the opportunity to make the actor make fun of his own face, that's my favorite bit about regeneration
slothfulcobra Would be out of character
or make fun of his prevoius incarntion like what the colins doctor did, saying things like "my last incarnation oh i was never happy with that one it had a sort of feckless charm which simply wasn't me"
I think that's part of why I like this scene (even if the rest of the episode is bad) I like that the Doctor isn't just "well this is me now" he's like "yes, now we're talking, this is what I want". It works even better with the whole regeneration madness. Maybe it's a coping mechanism that this incarnation had
@@SiouxW4rrior3856 I liked the charm though
@@johannahyde-parker8422 well charm was the hole point of his character, he was basically a blonde haired blue eyed "shining knight" cliche ya know like the "perfect man" like what the germans obsessed with in world war 2 the hole "stereotype" about blonde hair and blue eyed hercules well that's basically what the 5th doctor is I mean his final episode pretty much speaks for itself about his doctor but don't get me wrong I do like him too he is my second favourite besides tom baker still being number 1 for me in the classic who
2:06 The doctor is going insane...
Good-looking young blonde guy transforms into good-looking slightly older blonde guy, and Peri wails "It's awful!!".
Picky cow..
I feel like this scene works after you've listened to a load of 5 and Peri's Big Finish stuff, since it means she's actually had time to get used to the Doctor.
criminally underrated doctor
2:06 Colin Baker's audition for The joker
He was a dam great DR
And in the 80’S we saw lots more rooms of the Tardis, and a real night tech Tardis
1:34 "Sweet?! Sweeet?! Sweet?!"
Let me guess, he does this a lot. If so, that sounds hilarious.
Colin was such a volte face that you almost thought they'd depth-charged the show, but I was weirdly up for it at the time. There's a point in your life when you have to stop being conciliatory and this is the Doctor's!
A return of a harsher socially inept brilliant genius Doctor.
Six had soo much potential
The Doctor has an existential crisis after regenerating.
Love the Joker style laugh at the end
These "grinding engines of the universe" sound like a great idea for an opening title sequence in the new show. That is, if anyone could conceptualise such a thing.
He was brilliant. We were robbed. Damn you Michael Grade
This doctor so deserved a better chance...his writing went down the tubes.
No wonder people wrote off Colin Baker so quickly. In this first serial, he was written as such a jerk.
Love it! Colin is brill 😁
Thank you!
Love the "Sweet?!" rant 🤣
Never noticed that he pushed in a door with pull handles
Well you have to pull it shut
I know 5th had taken it off during his final moments in the previous story, but imagine 6th in 5th's costume with the celery still attached to his lapel lol
No rhyme for no time no place for space.
"I'm not *people,* Peri, I happen to be *me!* "
"But why?!?!"
he is himself
Great crazy laugh practically joker esq
I may be in the minority, but I actually liked Colin Baker as the Doctor. I don't think he got a fair shake. He did the best he could with the poor costuming and sub par writing choices by producer John Nathan-Turner, neither of which Baker had any control over. I think it's sad that he basically got made a scapegoat for the show's problems. That being said, he did have a few really good episodes, such as "The Two Doctors" (which saw the return of Patrick Troughton and Frazier Hines) and the entire "Trial of a Time Lord" arc.
Tom Baker will always be my first.
There was something freeing from this doctor.
I do think this is one of best post regeneration scenes in DW ever I like the way he talks about regeneration like its his "eternal youth" like he believes that not even the gods could destroy him that's what I like about his personality he thinks of himself as a god
I can't remember the 5th Doctor ever having a small mirror in his coat pocket. Maybe other fans can tell me when Peter used one in one of his stories.
I like the 1st episode of the twin delima a lot. It is all about psychology and how no 6 copes with it. I would watch Doctor Who with my dad. The scene where the New Doctor says to Peri How do I look. My dad answers bloody awful greeing with Peri. I regularly dig out the twin dilemma to watch and always enjoy it. Despite losing his job Colin Baker has always been so supportive of the show. When he guest appeared in the Power of the Doctor he told Jodie Whittaker she was the boss. Decent of the man. He's a very nice fella at the conventions and to meet at the bar.
I believed he used one in either Kinda or snake dance, but I could be mistaken.
That's actually a great debut Doctor scene.
Magnificent colin!
This is how the joker was truly born
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The 6th Doctor:
*GRINDING ENGINES OF THE UNIVERSE*
*THE CRUSHING BORDEM OF ETERNITY*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
A very fine actor doing his best with material that was often subpar and some shockingly stupid creative choices imposed upon him by the production team. Plus the unprofessional behaviour of a BBC Controller who publicly criticised a BBC production which was starved of funds and sabotaged by the broadcasters mismanagement. Mr Baker was an absolute professional under trying circumstances. He did some great work, as you can see above. What might have been? Many thanks to Big Finish for giving Colin Baker the opportunity to fully explore his interpretation of this beloved character.
Season 22 is anything but 'subpar', it's one of the best in the show's history. Where is the insight here? How is this different to any other comment you'd see on any other comment section in any online content vaguely related to the 6th doctor. You can parrot the portentous phrase 'what might have been?' to your heart's content - but what do you want? Well I don't know - what might have been?
@@tost6956 Please read my comment again. "Material that was often subpar" That is a general statement, in relation to Mr Baker's era. I thought it was obvious that a lot of Mr Baker's era was solid with some great material and one story that is arguably a stone cold classic. However, there are many moments and a couple of complete stories that do not work.
Season 22 is indeed, a very strong season with at least one outright classic story. The very prescient "Vengeance on Varos." The season is also littered with misjudgements. The Cryons of "Attack of the Cybermen" are painfully panto, just ridiculous and let's not get into "Timelash". Change is at the heart of the programme's longevity. Both in front and behind the scenes. That should have happened in 1984. It didn't.
We're told that the Producer's job was a poison chalice that no one wanted to touch. Perfectly understandable when budgets are shrinking, BBC production practices are outdated and you have a Controller who trashes the programme, complaining that it's outdated and it's production values do not hold up to U.S. shows. Something he could and should have done something about. His answer was to put the programme on a 18 month production hiatus. What might have been? A new production team and a broadcaster working with Colin Baker, rather than against him.
A move to single camera (16mm film) production with the improved visuals that it allows. A 10 x 50 min Season, co-financed by a international production partner. Sound familiar? Would it have been a tough change? Absolutely, but not impossible. That didn't happen. The programme struggled on with talented people trying to do the best with what they had. Mr Baker was replaced. A new Script Editor tried, admirably to rebuild the programme.It was cancelled. the fans kept the spark alive and the rest is history. It is possible to love the programme while also recognising and commenting on what doesn't work.
@@defanged9630 Extremely well stated ! Thank you. 👍🏾
@@defanged9630 All the scenes of Colin Baker & Faith Brown are perfectly written & performed.
DW is better than any other programme, so by copying other programmes (shooting on jittery, dusty 16mm film with muffled audio, & mismanaging the budget & slowing down the pace to a halt by producing single-part, 50-minute stories), would not improve DW, it would do the reverse.
Look at Star Trek TNG. They blew their budget on film, a massive ship interior & a massive cast, so there was no budget left for them to "explore new world" or "seek out new civilisations". All they did all day was heart-to-heart scenes between stiff, humourless cardboard cutouts.
Instead of wishing that DW was a boring, American Star Trek spin-off, just watch one of those boring, American Star Trek spin-offs.
@@FreeAssange Thanks for Your response. Firstly, 16mn film is not inherently dusty or jittery. Those issues are introduced by poor camera maintenance and older telecine technology. The "Spearhead From Space" blu-ray shows the gorgeous results of shooting on film. Muffled audio? Audio is always recorded separately. Mixing, dubbing in post before conforming to the picture. Muffled audio is not related to film.
Star Trek:TNG is rightly regarded as a worthy successor to the original series. However it is not perfect. The first two seasons are rough as the series had a rotating roster of writer's who found Gene Roddenberry's concept of a perfected humanity, a nightmare to write for. The series finally hit its' stride in its' third season and produced some of the best science fiction on television. They didn't blow their budget on 35 mm film. That format was the crux of U.S. television production until the 21st century shift to digital production. CBS Paramount brilliant HD remastering of the series shows the fantastic results of shooting on 35 mm. Your description of ST:TNG, better reflects modern Star Trek under Alex Kurtzman's guiding hand. Re-working DW into 45-50 minute episodes does not slow down the pace. Quite the opposite. Exhibit A, the revived series. Yes, we agree DW is the best programme on TV. Just, without the panto, please.
Cheers mate :)
Can we see the sixth doctor’s outfit change scene
Well that escalated quickly😂😂
What made the production crew of Doctor decide to have the regeneration happen near the end of the season instead of the end of the season as they used to do? The Twin Dilemma was the last story of the show‘s 21st season in 1984.
Can you upload a full cut of all the doctors getting their wardrobe?
1:40 Time for an existential crisis!
Him showing the mirror to Peri as if to try and show her his reflection lol
And the Twin Dilemma is still, in 2018, considered not just bad, but among the worst of all time? Take the doctor's dress sense and multiply it by a thousand, and you pretty much get how poor DW fandom's taste is.
This scene is genuinely great - it's hilarious (particularly when he tries to show Peri his reflection and his doom-laden speech whilst sinking into the clothes rack), well executed and has an appropriately outlandish score.
I’ve never heard anybody critique *this* specific scene, though. As good as this scene and some of the other ones are, people generally dislike TTD because of the rest of the story (ie. the space police stuff and the annoying twin geniuses) rather than this bit, so it’s kind of disingenuous to say that people have poor taste and point to this scene as an example of that, when this isn’t even the part of the episode that people have a problem with in the first place.
@@iHuzza I didn't point to this scene as an example of what fans criticize, I just pointed to the scene as that is the scene of the video that we are commenting beneath and wanted to praise it incidentally. But before that I also wanted to give my express my confusion at the reception of the entire story as that's what the majority of comments are on TTD vids. I just put my two short thoughts in the same comment to be concise.
I can't do anything but assume that people are either indifferent to the scene or dislike it, given that there is little in the way of anyone factoring this scene or indeed any other positive factors into much of the fandom's reviews.
To St Oh, good to know. And to be honest I think that’s kind of the case with stories that are regarded as badly as TTD - people tend to forget about good individual scenes because they aren’t enough to save the story by themselves, especially when (like this scene) they’re at the beginning of the story and are so vastly outnumbered by the later, much more questionable scenes. Out of curiosity, what is the worst DW story in your opinion?
@@iHuzza Of the original series it would be Arc of Infinity, but if we are including the revival then it is very hard to pick - but I think The End of Time or Twice Upon a Time are strong contenders for the worst ever. What about you? Perhaps you love the ones I stated.
@@tost6956 We're not so different tbh - Of the classic era stories I've seen, I'd say Paradise Towers or Warriors of the Deep are by far the worst, though I'd probably change my mind if I saw some of the other notoriously bad stories, like Time Flight or Timelash. I haven't actually seen Arc of Infinity tbh and I wasn't aware that it had *that* bad of reputation, the only criticisms I've heard about it are of the pointless section taking place in Amsterdam, so I guess I'll have to give it a watch. In terms of the new series, I'm not really sure to be honest. It would most likely be a 12th Doctor episode, but even then the number of choices are vast (Twice Upon a Time, In the Forest of the Night, Hell Bent, The Magician's Apprentice to name a few). Quite sad really, when the 12th Doctor has good stories he's up there as one of my favourites, but the quality of writing was inconsistent as hell.
Strange that Peri never asked the Doctor how many times Time Lords can regenerate after seeing him change in the blink of an eye and seeing him later laughing in the wardrobe room.
azure rainbow well it wouldn’t have been her first thought. Her first thoughts would’ve been more about the fact that he had just changed right in front of her.
🇬🇧🙋🏾♀️Sweet, sweet, sweet! That says it all! 😂👌🏾Loved this side of the Doctor ❣️
The only thing that took the edge off this incarnation for me was Bonnie Langford 😑
Having the American Peri say "rubbish" does not make sense. I'm not saying Americans don't say rubbish but we most likely don't. I'm just saying it's more likely the person writing this episode didn't realize that and wrote the line for Peri anyways. I noticed that a lot with Peri. I noticed it even when I was 7 years old in the eighties watching it on PBS that her English was not natural American.
Well atleast they tried to make companions come from somewhere other than England in the 80s gotta give them that much.
At least later in the same story she uses the American (mis)pronunciation of "lieutenant".
One of the few incarnations that actually liked their face - I think the only other ones were ten and thirteen.
Can you upload the clip where Maxil shoots Five? XD
I wish Colin had gotten more time as the Doctor. There, I said it.
And no, it wouldn't have interfered with what came next if not for that stupid 18-month hiatus.
Thanks, Michael Grade 🙄
In this incarnation
The mad man in the blue police box
Why does Colin actually look good in fifths outfit?
Colin Baker looks at himself in the mirror: "Clear gay's"