How this extraordinary man was so underappreciated baffles me. One of my favorite Doctors easily. Can i just say also that his costume was amazing. I know this incarnation is supposed to be tasteless but i love the idea he wore this outfit because he felt unstoppable and probably knew saving the universe would likely get him shot at. Why not absolutely taunt his enemies with a wild and bright coat. Maybe it would draw attention away from the people he traveled with? Its that iron attitude that I love most... "Im the doctor!" "I'll go wherever I like save whoever I like fight whatever evil that stands in my way and I'll dress however I want to do it!"
I have wondered if there was foreshadowing from as early back as this point in the series that the Time War was approaching. I mean, the modern canon recognises Genesis of the Daleks as being instrumental in potentially being the unintended first shot that started the Time War, the previous season of the show had the Daleks planning to infiltrate Gallifrey's high council with duplicates under their control in Resurrection of the Daleks, and this episode shows that some species or individuals were starting to make technological leaps into time travel, enough that the Time Lords sent in an incarnation of the Doctor to personally intervene, with Dastari even going so far as to suggest that the Time Lords were worried of potential threats to their monopoly on time travel. The following seasons have nods and winks to the idea that the Time Lords were steadily falling from grace, and other races were beginning to experiment with time travel - a Time War was on the horizon, waged between those that wanted to depose the Time Lords as retaliation or saw their decline as an opportunity.
I heard a theory that the Time War is the over-arching plot point of the entire series 1st left because it started, 4 was told to go back by the Timelords during it, the Daleks experimented with invisible Daleks as a war tactic during it, everything you mentioned and 7 mentioning him not knowing if his family is alive and when asked "it's the war isn't it" he just goes "yes..." And that's it...
@@novawolf_gaming it’s been suggested that the daleks from The Chase were an execution squad from the time war tasked with destroying the doctor in their first incarnation.
@@timothyp873 I haven't heard this but I was referring to the very first story "The Daleks" but I might look into that, sounds interesting, I love these theories that change the order of the Timeline
Very expressive not only in face but vocally as well. It really did not take him very long to make the role his own and he certainly had the acting chops to do it with.
Colin really was on of the finest actors to play the Doctor, and among just a handful of ‘em to take it very seriously. Shame he was so under-appreciated at the time, but thank God for Big Finish!
“He turned to the computer and touched one of its graphics display keys. Instantly, Peri was replaced by another tortured figure. The Doctor recognised Dastari. It was a perfect holographic forgery, he thought. He touched the key again and another figure appeared that he didn’t recognise. A rather scruffy person in an ill-fitting tailcoat and black string necktie. The Doctor switched off the machine and sank back into the control chair with his mind racing. *Although he would instantly recognise The Brigadier or Leela or any of his past companions, he scarcely had any recollection of how he himself had appeared in past forms.* *Nonetheless, he thought, it was all Lombard Street to a China orange that the chap in the tailcoat was himself.* In that case, not only had his sartorial taste improved, but at last it was all beginning to make sense. “ - Robert Holmes, The Two Doctors
Spike EP Sounds like an excuse on Holmes’ part of why the Sixth Doctor doesn’t immediately recognise the Second Doctor. Especially when in other multi-doctor stories, the Doctor has no issue knowing what his past selves looks like.
Ray Venkman Yes, because of telepathy. If it’s a holographic image, there is no telepathic imprint. In Grant Morrison’s The World-Shapers, the Sixth Doctor warns the Cyber-Controller to remember his and Jamie’s auras when he captures them on Planet 14 - after he becomes the Cyber-Coordinator, it then recognises Jamie and the Second Doctor when they trespass at International Electronics in The Invasion.
People disliked him as he had zero subtlety, couldn't act, and put no thought into making either the scripts or the character he played better. He read the scripts, he performed the scripts, but he didn't put any thought _into_ the scripts. Or how he might benefit them. There are actors, and there are performers. Colin Baker was a performer. Actors put their thoughts into how to play a part, to give it depth, they inhabit it and give a three-dimensional character when put before the audience. When you watch Peter Davison or Patrick Troughton for example you see their thought processes, both as an actor and as the character. Every twitch and every line is them living the character and showing their inner thought processes via their reactions - spoken and unspoken. And the result on the screen is a degree of subtlety from their characters and the sense this is a three-dimensional person. Colin Baker on the other hand performs, he doesn't act. There is no hint he is thinking on the screen, no hint of hidden depths, no inner thought processes being put across on the screen, he is just performing the script. Actors act, performers perform. You could never put Baker in a story like Kinda, The Caves of Androzani, Mawdryn Undead, Planet of Fire, or even Time Flight. He would murder those stories. On the other hand an actor, someone like Peter Capaldi, Peter Davison, or Patrick Troughton could make a story like Attack of the Cybermen or Timelash something a good deal more watchable as they themselves bring a degree of depth to their characters, study the script to see what they can do with it, and they can actually... Act. Not perform, but act.
@@davidmullen6011 Your utterly biased opinion holds no merit in reality. Colin Baker, and his Doctor, were excellent and held down only by the people around him. You may not _like_ his Doctor, but to say he doesn't "act" is empty tripe.
@@davidmullen6011 I disagree. Colin performed to a very high standard. His CV proves what a versatile actor has been over the years. He's 77 years old and still in demand, which is a sign of a very good actor.
It was the disgusting costume. The guy was a great actor. I listened to his episodes but did not actually watch. Unless it had Patrick Troughton included--could not miss that.
"the only scene" He has many "true Doctor" scenes before and beyond this one. Even The Twin Dilemma had moments such as when he stepped out onto the wasteland of what was once a lush forest. And then you have the Trial of the Time Lord where he is even softer than he was in his first season.
Even the 6th doctor stories are way better and more interesting than the 13th doctor. Why can't we just go back to space and see the universe - the TARDIS travels in Space as well. Why are there so many Earth Stories. Yes.... so the audience can connect with the Dr. For Dr. Who is not about going into space or time, that you can do the show in a submarine. I get it.... But, the adventures in space and time, where did those go.
She can't comprehend the scale of it all... never more a butterfly... How do you have writing so eloquent in the same story where the Doctor cold bloodedly murders someone and quips 'You're just desserts'?
Oh, do fuck off, what was he supposed to do? Allow Shockeye to roam Seville, eating as many Spaniards as he desired? Also, how was it 'cold blooded'? Shockeye had already slashed his upper leg with his knife, the wound was bleeding profusely and he was hunting him. Cold blooded? You need to look up the term. Cold blooded is the murder of the Dona Arana, committed by Shockeye on arrival at the hacienda. You Sixth Doctor bashers are always conveniently ignoring evidence and situation to knock him.
It does. The sixth Doctor's costume is generally considered one of the worst decisions in the history of the show. The general idea with this version of the Doctor was to make him more "alien" and less immediately likeable than his predecessor's softer and more approachable take on the character. That way the audience would go on more of a journey as they discovered his good points and could get more invested in him. The showrunner thought that a costume that ran completely against normal fashion sensibilities would help emphasize the Doctor's alien quality. In reality, all it ever did was distract from the character by putting the attention on his clothes. The actor who played the 6th Doctor never cared for his outfit, he wanted the character to wear black velvet, and the show runner later agreed it was a mistake.
@@leighhargreaves4104 Colin said he wanted his outfit to look like Christopher Eccleston. I tried to imagine that but its so hard. I agree on the suit though. 6th outfit is rainbow vomit mess.
@@W0LV1E45 There was an episode of Blake's 7 where Colin Baker played a space criminal, and he wore something probably akin to what he wanted to wear in Doctor Who.
Colin Baker was brilliant as Doctor Who. But I could hardly watch because of that awful costume. I often wonder how much input John Nathan Turner (gag me) had in choosing that dreadful mess.
The story goes that he told the costume designer to come up with an incredibly tasteless, loud and colourful outfit where nothing matched. JNT rejected several designs and asked for more tasteless and clashing each time. Supposedly the final design was the costume designer going deliberately overboard in frustration and then being amazed that JNT loved it. So a fair bit.
Colin Baker was one of the worst Doctors. I stopped watching the show shortly after he became the Doctor. Then Sylvester McCoy was even worse. It was not until Paul McGann played him in the film that it got good again. I don't Colin Baker or Sylvester McCoy it was just really poor writing and they turned The Doctor into a clown
I know shouldn't pick fights on the internet, but like dude... Okay. You're opinion are valid, but misinformed... I just find it strange that both 6 and 7 get criticism for being too violent as well as getting criticism for being too clownish. And Battlefield?? Remembrance of the Daleks? Vengeance on Varos? The Two Doctors??? All banging episodes my man. And, I do have to concede, the writing is not the best in every episode, I mean the Twin Dilemma exists so... And Michael Grade fucking hated Doctor Who as well so that didnt help... Anyway this comment is so fucking long and rambling... I just want to say, give them an chance you know. And I have to agree that Paul McGann is fucking awesome. Sorry. Goodbye Shado Man.
@@jam-the-hologram I didn't dislike the "Colin Baker" Doctor for being too violent, I disliked him for being too arrogant. As for the "Sylvester McCoy" Doctor I thought him, too much of a clown who belonged in a circus.
I agree, as bad as Colin Baker was, Sylvester McCoy was even worse. The writing got slightly better near the end of his run where they tried to portray him as more of a deceitful puppet master, but the actor was just awful, especially when it came to emoting anger or outrage, which was just embarrassing for all concerned. On the plus side though, he had Ace and Ace was awesome.
@@sibionicTotally squandered? I take it you aren't directing that solely at The Two Doctors and that you think this about doctor who as a whole (or just the classic era or just the 80s or whatever) but it begs the question - how did you stumble across this old and obscure clip if you think the execution has no merit whatsoever.
This Doctor's worst enemies were the heads of the BBC. It's a pity he was never allowed the freedom and time his character deserved.
I thought it was just Michael Grade (spits) who had it in for him?
He was doomed once his ex-wife became involved with Michael Grade...
How this extraordinary man was so underappreciated baffles me. One of my favorite Doctors easily. Can i just say also that his costume was amazing. I know this incarnation is supposed to be tasteless but i love the idea he wore this outfit because he felt unstoppable and probably knew saving the universe would likely get him shot at. Why not absolutely taunt his enemies with a wild and bright coat. Maybe it would draw attention away from the people he traveled with? Its that iron attitude that I love most... "Im the doctor!"
"I'll go wherever I like save whoever I like fight whatever evil that stands in my way and I'll dress however I want to do it!"
Peri was so cute ❤
I have wondered if there was foreshadowing from as early back as this point in the series that the Time War was approaching. I mean, the modern canon recognises Genesis of the Daleks as being instrumental in potentially being the unintended first shot that started the Time War, the previous season of the show had the Daleks planning to infiltrate Gallifrey's high council with duplicates under their control in Resurrection of the Daleks, and this episode shows that some species or individuals were starting to make technological leaps into time travel, enough that the Time Lords sent in an incarnation of the Doctor to personally intervene, with Dastari even going so far as to suggest that the Time Lords were worried of potential threats to their monopoly on time travel.
The following seasons have nods and winks to the idea that the Time Lords were steadily falling from grace, and other races were beginning to experiment with time travel - a Time War was on the horizon, waged between those that wanted to depose the Time Lords as retaliation or saw their decline as an opportunity.
Brilliant theory - I will revisit this story with this in mind.
I heard a theory that the Time War is the over-arching plot point of the entire series
1st left because it started, 4 was told to go back by the Timelords during it, the Daleks experimented with invisible Daleks as a war tactic during it, everything you mentioned and 7 mentioning him not knowing if his family is alive and when asked "it's the war isn't it" he just goes "yes..." And that's it...
@@novawolf_gaming it’s been suggested that the daleks from The Chase were an execution squad from the time war tasked with destroying the doctor in their first incarnation.
@@timothyp873 I haven't heard this but I was referring to the very first story "The Daleks" but I might look into that, sounds interesting, I love these theories that change the order of the Timeline
Colin was amazing in this scene! This is the true sixth doctor here!
Very expressive not only in face but vocally as well. It really did not take him very long to make the role his own and he certainly had the acting chops to do it with.
Peri looked amazing in this episode.
Also, in her bikini 😉
@@SamuelBlack84 yep
3:22, I love that little look the Sixth Doctor gives to the projection of the second Doctor. Like he almost doesn't recognise him at first
“Funny how you almost forget what you used to look like.”
Colin really was on of the finest actors to play the Doctor, and among just a handful of ‘em to take it very seriously. Shame he was so under-appreciated at the time, but thank God for Big Finish!
“He turned to the computer and touched one of its graphics display keys. Instantly, Peri was replaced by another tortured figure. The Doctor recognised Dastari. It was a perfect holographic forgery, he thought.
He touched the key again and another figure appeared that he didn’t recognise. A rather scruffy person in an ill-fitting tailcoat and black string necktie.
The Doctor switched off the machine and sank back into the control chair with his mind racing. *Although he would instantly recognise The Brigadier or Leela or any of his past companions, he scarcely had any recollection of how he himself had appeared in past forms.*
*Nonetheless, he thought, it was all Lombard Street to a China orange that the chap in the tailcoat was himself.* In that case, not only had his sartorial taste improved, but at last it was all beginning to make sense. “
- Robert Holmes,
The Two Doctors
Spike EP Sounds like an excuse on Holmes’ part of why the Sixth Doctor doesn’t immediately recognise the Second Doctor. Especially when in other multi-doctor stories, the Doctor has no issue knowing what his past selves looks like.
Ray Venkman Yes, because of telepathy.
If it’s a holographic image, there is no telepathic imprint.
In Grant Morrison’s The World-Shapers, the Sixth Doctor warns the Cyber-Controller to remember his and Jamie’s auras when he captures them on Planet 14 - after he becomes the Cyber-Coordinator, it then recognises Jamie and the Second Doctor when they trespass at International Electronics in The Invasion.
Yes the two doctors I have this on dvd
3:00 Well that escalated quickly 0_0
Never more a butterfly... ... ... PERI!!!!
Startlingly so. Watch out if you have a weak heart.
Peri, a typical human - if something is going to happen that's very much outside her normal lifespan, it might as well be an eternity away.
I'm too busy admiring the twins 😂
@@SamuelBlack84Romulus and Remus ? 😉😀😏😁🤣🥴😍♥️
@@michaellaplant8659 The bald twins hiding in Peri's blouse 😆
@@SamuelBlack84 Ha, Ha. Good one ! 😂😁👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
@@SamuelBlack84 It looks to me like there may be more than just "Two Doctors" taking refuge in that particular blouse. 😉
6th Dr was always thinking he was dying happened in revelation of the daleks too
I think Peri’s hiding the two doctors in her top.
Better have a look
Fan service on parade.
Well then, pop it off.
Oh Mr Blackadder. You’ve gone from the nicest man in England to the most horrible man in the whole world!
I feel Peri is very underrated, i think she is very nice and honestly, i have a crush with her since i am 12 years old
I never quite understood why people disliked him as the doctor, I found him very witty and funny. Also, he had the best Doctor Who music.
People disliked him as he had zero subtlety, couldn't act, and put no thought into making either the scripts or the character he played better. He read the scripts, he performed the scripts, but he didn't put any thought _into_ the scripts. Or how he might benefit them.
There are actors, and there are performers. Colin Baker was a performer. Actors put their thoughts into how to play a part, to give it depth, they inhabit it and give a three-dimensional character when put before the audience. When you watch Peter Davison or Patrick Troughton for example you see their thought processes, both as an actor and as the character. Every twitch and every line is them living the character and showing their inner thought processes via their reactions - spoken and unspoken. And the result on the screen is a degree of subtlety from their characters and the sense this is a three-dimensional person.
Colin Baker on the other hand performs, he doesn't act. There is no hint he is thinking on the screen, no hint of hidden depths, no inner thought processes being put across on the screen, he is just performing the script. Actors act, performers perform. You could never put Baker in a story like Kinda, The Caves of Androzani, Mawdryn Undead, Planet of Fire, or even Time Flight. He would murder those stories.
On the other hand an actor, someone like Peter Capaldi, Peter Davison, or Patrick Troughton could make a story like Attack of the Cybermen or Timelash something a good deal more watchable as they themselves bring a degree of depth to their characters, study the script to see what they can do with it, and they can actually... Act. Not perform, but act.
@@davidmullen6011 Your utterly biased opinion holds no merit in reality. Colin Baker, and his Doctor, were excellent and held down only by the people around him. You may not _like_ his Doctor, but to say he doesn't "act" is empty tripe.
@@OzBaxter I agree, well said.
@@davidmullen6011 I disagree. Colin performed to a very high standard. His CV proves what a versatile actor has been over the years. He's 77 years old and still in demand, which is a sign of a very good actor.
It was the disgusting costume. The guy was a great actor. I listened to his episodes but did not actually watch. Unless it had Patrick Troughton included--could not miss that.
"I look a mess...." I don't thin I ever drooled over a classic companion like I did Peri.... HOT DAMN!!!! lmao 🤤
Adore this episode
Why couldn’t the 6th doctor be like this throughout his entire run, the only scene where we see the true 6th doctor right here 🙈
Always has been
"the only scene"
He has many "true Doctor" scenes before and beyond this one. Even The Twin Dilemma had moments such as when he stepped out onto the wasteland of what was once a lush forest. And then you have the Trial of the Time Lord where he is even softer than he was in his first season.
Colin was fantastic in his criminally short run. He deserved much better than he got. I am grateful that he was able to make this story with Patrick.
PERI....AHHHHHHHHHHH MY FAVORITE. I would go back in time and travel with her. I wish BBC would make a series out of her.
peris adventures riding a bbc
Giggity
No speak.
Love that first shot!
That sound design is weirdly charming
I didn't know Dastari was played by Trevor Horn in between Yes and Frankie Goes to Hollywood
Yes Peri you are a mess... now take it all off and we'll find you a new set of cloths... somewhere, soon...
Maybe
I need two doctors after seeing peri's
Twins
Peri's "twins" are definitely NO "dilemma" in my book ! *Sigh* ❤🤭🥴🥰😝
Even the 6th doctor stories are way better and more interesting than the 13th doctor. Why can't we just go back to space and see the universe - the TARDIS travels in Space as well. Why are there so many Earth Stories. Yes.... so the audience can connect with the Dr. For Dr. Who is not about going into space or time, that you can do the show in a submarine. I get it.... But, the adventures in space and time, where did those go.
Love it!
She can't comprehend the scale of it all... never more a butterfly... How do you have writing so eloquent in the same story where the Doctor cold bloodedly murders someone and quips 'You're just desserts'?
Oh, do fuck off, what was he supposed to do? Allow Shockeye to roam Seville, eating as many Spaniards as he desired?
Also, how was it 'cold blooded'? Shockeye had already slashed his upper leg with his knife, the wound was bleeding profusely and he was hunting him. Cold blooded? You need to look up the term. Cold blooded is the murder of the Dona Arana, committed by Shockeye on arrival at the hacienda.
You Sixth Doctor bashers are always conveniently ignoring evidence and situation to knock him.
The 5th killed a cyberman. The 3rd knocked out more people than he had lives. They thought back then violence=mature=quality.
Evil deserves to perish. The Doctor is a hero and he killed a villain. As it has ALWAYS been in Doctor Who. As it will always be.
you need to learn what cold blood means
Well, even the first Doctor bashed in a caveman's head with a rock, after all. 🤷🏻♂️
Amazing scene for sure but why the heck is there a Season 11 logo?
Sixth:😨Doctor
Second 3:22
I haven’t seen classic Who yet so I shouldn’t really judge, but that suit has way too much going on. Lol
It does. The sixth Doctor's costume is generally considered one of the worst decisions in the history of the show. The general idea with this version of the Doctor was to make him more "alien" and less immediately likeable than his predecessor's softer and more approachable take on the character. That way the audience would go on more of a journey as they discovered his good points and could get more invested in him. The showrunner thought that a costume that ran completely against normal fashion sensibilities would help emphasize the Doctor's alien quality.
In reality, all it ever did was distract from the character by putting the attention on his clothes. The actor who played the 6th Doctor never cared for his outfit, he wanted the character to wear black velvet, and the show runner later agreed it was a mistake.
Wow! That’s super interesting. I agree with the actor, black velvet would have been a much better choice. Thanks for the info:)
@@leighhargreaves4104 Colin said he wanted his outfit to look like Christopher Eccleston. I tried to imagine that but its so hard. I agree on the suit though. 6th outfit is rainbow vomit mess.
Yes. I do appreciate the cat pin on the lapel though.
@@W0LV1E45 There was an episode of Blake's 7 where Colin Baker played a space criminal, and he wore something probably akin to what he wanted to wear in Doctor Who.
What colour are colin baker's eyes
Blue
If perhaps they had better writers and put more freedom, creativity & investment into the episodes would Colin Baker have had a better run ?
Colin Baker was brilliant as Doctor Who. But I could hardly watch because of that awful costume. I often wonder how much input John Nathan Turner (gag me) had in choosing that dreadful mess.
The story goes that he told the costume designer to come up with an incredibly tasteless, loud and colourful outfit where nothing matched. JNT rejected several designs and asked for more tasteless and clashing each time. Supposedly the final design was the costume designer going deliberately overboard in frustration and then being amazed that JNT loved it. So a fair bit.
Colin Baker was one of the worst Doctors. I stopped watching the show shortly after he became the Doctor. Then Sylvester McCoy was even worse. It was not until Paul McGann played him in the film that it got good again. I don't Colin Baker or Sylvester McCoy it was just really poor writing and they turned The Doctor into a clown
I know shouldn't pick fights on the internet, but like dude...
Okay. You're opinion are valid, but misinformed... I just find it strange that both 6 and 7 get criticism for being too violent as well as getting criticism for being too clownish. And Battlefield?? Remembrance of the Daleks? Vengeance on Varos? The Two Doctors??? All banging episodes my man. And, I do have to concede, the writing is not the best in every episode, I mean the Twin Dilemma exists so... And Michael Grade fucking hated Doctor Who as well so that didnt help... Anyway this comment is so fucking long and rambling... I just want to say, give them an chance you know. And I have to agree that Paul McGann is fucking awesome. Sorry. Goodbye Shado Man.
@@jam-the-hologram I didn't dislike the "Colin Baker" Doctor for being too violent, I disliked him for being too arrogant. As for the "Sylvester McCoy" Doctor I thought him, too much of a clown who belonged in a circus.
@@shadoman7682 You clearly never saw McCoy's second season.
I agree, as bad as Colin Baker was, Sylvester McCoy was even worse. The writing got slightly better near the end of his run where they tried to portray him as more of a deceitful puppet master, but the actor was just awful, especially when it came to emoting anger or outrage, which was just embarrassing for all concerned. On the plus side though, he had Ace and Ace was awesome.
Colin Baker could act - where McCoy was a clown and by that stage the writing was abysmal - a double whammy
such bad acting
What's wrong?
sibionic u need to understand this was a low budget Saturday tea time bbc program in the 80s
@@solar6346 That doesn't make it automatically bad you know.
@@solar6346 no - it's the best set of ideas ever committed to television
totally squandered
@@sibionicTotally squandered? I take it you aren't directing that solely at The Two Doctors and that you think this about doctor who as a whole (or just the classic era or just the 80s or whatever) but it begs the question - how did you stumble across this old and obscure clip if you think the execution has no merit whatsoever.