Will you do a report on the victims, of the murderers Joe Biden will be pardoning 2024. Looks like thousands of them will be pardoned. Thousands of families will have to cope with this injustice. Thank you
Honestly, such a roller-coaster to watch. Can't imagine being this mother. Such strength and courage to do what she did. I pray she lives the rest of her life surrounded by love, peace, and light. Love 48hours
Id love to see the full 5 hours of them talking. Ive had my experiences with killers. A lot even. And its quite interesting. Brutal sometimes, but also heartwarming and deep. And high, bc those go together. I wish more people could do what Paula did. But i know thats not how most people are, so it wont happen anytime soon. I dont thin by the way,. that its strength and courage what she did. Its something she had to do. Because that is in her. Well, maybe it is. I guess it depends on what you call strength and courage. If it is part of who you are, there is no choice. You just have to do it. Whatever the consequences.
Which by the way, isnt all that different from what he did... He probably 'felt' or thought, he had to do it. Thats why the 5 hours, id want to see. Because they might have gotten to this realisation... And id sure want to see that. Its about being open...
Only 48 Hours could give us such a rare experience. Thank you for respecting the victims and their relatives and thank you for doing such a difficult but great job.
I’m very happy that her mother was able to have this unusual chance to seize some control over her healing process, after having her daughter taken away so senselessly.
@@thegreatescape902I suggest you try walking in the shoes of those who have a hard time forgiving instead of commenting so glibly. The gospel is hardly being proclaimed in your comment.
Agree and it's also very much a process. One thing I wonder is whether she could've done it (and found closure) by just going to a therapist instead. After all, sometimes those who have wounded us deeply may not be around for us to tell them about the impact of their actions. Other times, they may simply not understand what the big deal is and feel no remorse. What then?
Mitzi was born a month before me . She would have just turned 59 years old in Sept. Makes me think of all the life she has been robbed of. RIP Mitzi . ❤
This was definitely the most difficult, heart-wrenching episode to watch. When Paula and Johnathan "touched" hands through the glass, tears started rolling down my face. No parent is supposed to go through what Mitzi's mom went through. May God bless her and her family.
Out of all the 48 hour stories I have seen, this one hurts a lot. Her mother and family seems so loving and kind. It had to take a toll on Mitzy’s mother to go see the man who killed her and talk. She’s forever heartbroken but she needed closure. I hope she was able to move on with life. God bless her.
Not to me, bc ive had many such talks with killers. (not on death row though). Its interesting, always, but except for the first time, not intense. Killers are usually surprisingly human.
@@StofStuiver Yes they are human, but still murderers. Have to be careful where you draw the line with those kind of people, its unfortunately a fact. Im sure you had some interesting conversations tho..
@@StofStuivermay I ask what you do? For reference, I ask because I share what I’m guessing to be similar perspective. I worked in a forensics psychiatric unit that housed people who’d committed heinous acts, including taking the lives of others. I’ve always said to people that was one of the most profound and provocatively mind opening experiences of my entire life. I don’t know that I could do it any justice trying to express in words in a UA-cam comment section, but let’s just say it will truly impact the way you see everything.
@@oldhickory4686what The word means is we should not judge to the point of condemnation, but we do judge daily and should judge righteously God willing.
@@deb6853 my thoughts exactly. She was bitter for far too long. It destroys the soul. My eldest son was killed in 2005, by my former husband. Some 6 months after that horror, I was working on paperwork for a hearing- hating that man. Then the Spirit spoke clearly to me: "Andrea, Anthony won't have his father with him in heaven. Don't you go there!" I knew I had to forgive, or I wouldn't be forgiven... and hence never see my son again. It turned my heart around. Now I have nothing but pity for my ex, and have great peace knowing my son is safe in the joy of heaven.
@@nancynancy1587How is it idiotic? She went through the same thing if not worse as it was her ex husband that killed her son. Her point is if she can forgive then why can’t this lady forgive? But of course, people are all different.
@@deb6853 Try losing a child the same way she did before you comment, forgiving him didn’t mean he didn’t had to pay, I believe she’s at peace now and healing is finally possible This is the way it had to be done.
I have mad respect for the mother. There is nothing stronger than a mother's love. I totally understand and support her decision to face her daughter's killer. Its all about the closure. She is definitely a class act and true Christian
@@ThisIsJ.NicoleIn the end, it was Jonathan who forgave her her bitterness, her vengefulness and her lack of faith in God and His infallible Promises. He even forgave her her need to be his executioner. Imagine claiming you've forgiven somebody and yet rushing in to witness him die so the last thing he sees is your face! God alone knows if either of them will receive His forgiveness.
@@janicescott6569 I praise God for you. What a far cry from all the belying flatterers who are busy fawning over her! I am sure you count yourself blessed of God, and so you MUST. Love & prayers!
True Christian? I don't think so. True Christians are not like that i.e. forgiveness. I just respect her decision regarding the consequences of what happened to her beloved daughter.
I don't understand why the prisoner is being trained on what to say. Shouldn't he be speaking from his heart. I understand why the family thinks it's crazy.
Nobles is loving it. Obviously he doesn't mean it, it's his last bit of fame. If 48 Hours wasn't filming, this wouldn't have happened. Agreed, why the coaching, it's not a school recital?? If it's not real it's worthless.
I don’t think he’s being trained. People say things sometimes with the right intentions but it comes out all wrong if you’ve never had any practice or therapy exposing you to others feelings. I get what you’re saying but the whole point of the meeting was to help, not do harm.
@@KevinN-df8eo They wanted to make sure he wasn't offensive to the mother. I've seen other cases like this where the killer taunted the parents and refused to give them closure. Or refused to speak to them at all.
Would it be better that he refuses or says yes and says all kinds of horrible things? He didn’t refuse at the end, he probably gave her some peace since they spoke for so long.
i had also abusive childhood, but i dont go around k'lling people. there is no excuse, these girls had nothing to do with his childhood. these ppl always tryna play a victim card instead of owning to their own mistakes and choices they made to hurt others.
My sister and I were raised in abuse and neglect, raggedy clothes, no School supplies, no lunch money. Both of us are super compassionate, empathetic people who may even give a little too much.
Absolutely! These animals never take their childhood out on their abusers, they always attack innocent and unrelated people and then blame it on their childhood. They make me sick, it’s pathetic.
@@andrewnajarian5994 Not animals...subhumans. I've seen even wild animals show compassion. I saw a huge bear in a zoo save a drowning crow in the bears pond. He just scooped it out and put it gently on the grass, where it lay until it recovered and then scampered off. I've seen wild animals ask humans for help, like the mother deer who stopped a car in the road and gestured for the people inside to follow her.....they did so and she led them to her baby trapped in a barbed wire fence and they helped to free it. The same with whales and dolphins caught in fisher mens nets and they call out for help and people in boats cut them free. Dogs adopting orphaned puppies, chickens sheltering kittens under their wings. All the ways that dogs help humans, horses too. Please don't compare these subhumans with animals.
What an amazing documentary. This is one that tugged at my heart almost every minute from the beginning to the end! So poignantly powerful! Simply powerful. Leaves me speechless! I pray and wish the Lord’s continued peace for Mitzi’s mom.
I am so sick of people claiming that they made a mistake, NO, you didn't make a F mistake, you made a sick F decision! Still ain't taking responsibility! 🤬
He tells her about his childhood, which is he got kicked out of high school, kicked out of the Navy, and kicked out of his mother's house, due to his own actions, drugs. Geez, how terrible 😭 I don't feel sorry for this guy in the slightest.
I was hoping the mother wasn't going to cave in and fight for his life. I have no problem if she forgives him, but God demands a life for a life. He can be forgiven by God, but his physical life is required. I'm not interested in any of his excuses or upbringing, we all make choices, and they have consequences.
My mother received a liver and kidney transplant. It saved her life. It breaks my heart what this mother is going through, but this guy should have the opportunity to donate.
I agree. An organ donor can save several lives, and good people and their loved ones can have several more years of life together. They won't become him by receiving his organs.
Strong woman. That’s not me. I can’t even imagine how I’d feel losing my child like that but knowing myself I’d insist on staying angry as long as I’d live. Kudos lady.
@@thegreatescape902 not everyone shares the same beliefs lol. Some things are unforgivable and I would gladly “go to hell” for not forgiving someone that murdered my loved one. I could never. I think it’s pretty sick that “god” would punish someone for that.
As a Christian, this brought me to tears. Forgiveness is hard enough but when it’s because of a horrific crime so personal, that’s on a different level and takes a Divine strength to give unconditional forgiveness. This was so humbling and I give such respect to the victim’s mom. On the flip side and not an excuse for his evil actions, and sometimes difficult to acknowledge is his humanity that showed itself in the meeting. Prayers for the family for what they endured and for as much healing as possible for such a tragedy.
I’m so glad I’m not the only one that was taken back by that. Forever, keeping them connected just doesn’t seem right to me. But she is the mom so it’s not my place to rationalize it I guess.
I would not either! Forgiveness has nothing to do with putting a piece of the killer’s property with the victim’s memories/property. Absolutely not in a million years!
@@alyssstout8112 It's heartbreaking to think of what they’ve gone through. Hopefully, in time, they’ll be able to heal and find some peace, though it will never be easy.
I agree with the prosecutor on his “sincerity”! The psychologist sits there and evaluates every word he says and manipulates him to say something else. It says he has been doing that with him for months 🤷♀️ That is NOT coming from the heart at all. It’s almost like he coaches him for months to say words and phrases that the therapist knows the mother WANTS to hear. But I do feel in the end, if all that helps the mother heal some, then I guess it shouldn’t matter to me. Hope it did help
Let me get this straight, the prisoner had to be coached on what to say encase he really said what he felt, they suppressed his feelings for the mothers benefit and we are supposed to think that this is good Lol. This was a waste of time, I understand why the rest of her family didn't bother going. She wanted to find peace and instead the whole system played her. Damn feel sorry for her.
No. the therapist is confronting him against himself to the meaning of his words. By elaborating on the 'Im sorry for...' he has to review inside himself his actions and consequences, find depth.
@Samantha-ys2pp what are talking about? He already knows his action which was killing the girl and his consequence is getting a death penalty. What depth is he supposed to find in himself when he's about to be executed?
@@Samantha-ys2pphe has a ways to go still. All the rest of us realize it’s his fault but he’s still blaming the school, mommy, the Navy, drugs…he still doesn’t take responsibility for his actions.
@@jimwerther he was still making excuses and blaming others for why he did it. That’s not taking responsibility. The reality was he wanted money, had 0 regard for the value of life and thought he could get away with it. His desire for money and drugs was more important to him than their lives.
Extreme anger and darkness can be found in those that are not psychopaths and empaths can do surprising deeds while abusing substances. There but for the Grace of God go I.
Not many will believe or be able to but forgiveness is so freeing, it heals you in a way I can not explain. Forgiveness truly is for the victim, not the perpetrator.
⏱️ Timestamps by TimeSkip ⏱️ 00:00:00 - Introduction to the Case 00:00:46 - Paula's Fight for Closure 00:01:30 - The Confrontation Explained 00:02:15 - Paula's Memories of Mitzy 00:04:01 - Details of the Crime 00:05:18 - Ron Ross's Experience 00:06:46 - Investigation and Arrest 00:08:01 - Trial and Sentencing 00:09:03 - Paula's Desire to Meet Nobles 00:15:27 - Organ Donation Controversy 00:18:14 - Preparing for the Meeting 00:19:22 - Visiting Death Row 00:20:06 - Emotional Meeting Begins 00:21:25 - Painful Memories Resurface 00:22:31 - Understanding the Impact of Loss 00:23:32 - Agreement on Past Actions 00:24:39 - Discussion on Organ Donation 00:25:36 - Growing Compassion 00:28:01 - Paula's Mixed Emotions 00:35:12 - Witnessing the Execution 00:40:02 - Paula's Journey Towards Peace 00:40:52 - Closure for Paula
Forgiveness is not ever really about the person who did wrong. It is so the victims/survivors can let go and move on. However, you most likely are correct. Crocodile tears are what he was shedding.
And thats based on your vast experience of dealing with killers huh? Its not realistic. Sure there are those that do not care about any life. Usually thats not the case either, bc they do care about some, but not at all about others. And even thats rare. Not caring about anyone at all, is extremely rare. People do horrible things in the spur of the moment. And they have to live with it afterwards. Thats not easy at all. Most i experienced do have remorse and hate what they did. But as a means of selfpreservation, cannot be open about what they really feel. It would be a bottomless pit. There is a reason so many turn religious. Its the only way to deal with it. Guilt forces change. And you cannot easily judge remorse. Certainly not in an 8 minute interview for a hearing, or on trial. People say what they have to say by lawyer. Most cant speak about it, at all. So they just go through the motions. Ofcourse that sounds fake, bc it is fake. The people most equipped to determine if someone feels remorse are prison workers. They deal with those people 24/7. No psychologist or psychiatrist, let alone anyone in the public based on a 45 minute show, can determine remorse. Its not what people say. Its the sounds coming from a closed celldoor at night, that give it away.
@@StofStuiver , true.. but a sign of genuine remorse would be he would stop using "I was abused" as excuse. You are very correct in everything you are saying though, but still.. hiding behind an excuse brings any sign of remorse into question.
@@Panwere36 I dont think so m8. People having killed, but in the spur of the moment (its quite rare if its actually planned long before ( ie in real 'cold blood') find themselves all of a sudden as criminals. Not only to a court of law, but to the general public aswell. To friends,family and if they dont turn away completely, they will want answers. But also the person him or herself will want answers. And most come up with an explanation. Its very rare that someone just really doesnt care. All the others have an internal conflict. Bc almost all of us are raised with the moral of killing being wrong. And we all consider ourselves 'good people', even those who killed. So the self also seeks an explanation and when asked, will provide it eagerly, bc they also want to prove to the outside world that there was a reason. A genuine reason and that they are good people. That explanation has nothing to do with feeling remorse. Those are two different things. Connected, sure, but wrt this separated. You cant not come up with an explanation AND maintain the notion that you are good. Those two conflict. But when asked the right questions, the true feelings may come out. Usually doesnt happen (easily), bc of perpetrator trauma. And thus it is very hard to determine remorse, unless you spend a lot of time with that person. Its little things that give it away. Or, in observation (ie prison workers or in mental institutions) where workers will see it. Its hidden, bc its unlivable. The words spoken to the outside; in court and so, are meaningless. They say what they have to say, either bc of the lawyer saying they have to say it, or maybe they are smart enough to know themselves that is how it works. Id suspect more remorse in someone in court stumbling over words, not able to say much or anything, but some tears, than someone using great phrases to express remorse. Thats almost always fake. Not saying they dont feel remorse. Its just not the settting where one can expect to find it. And thats because of self preservation. Killers are after all, human too. Wether we like it, or not. And having said that; there is a killer in everyone. It just depends on which buttons are pushed. Granted some will take a million buttons and a 1000 years, while others just 1. But that doesnt change the fact. These are things people just dont want to see, bc its a mirror that breaks their moral beliefs and ego. And thats probably for the better... But it doesnt help in shedding light on all this. Maybe that is for the better too. Im still not 100% convinced either way on that, but its made me more mild in judging. And thats a good thing i suppose. Its also more honest.
The man did the most awful thing we can imagine, however, he is doing good by wanting to donate his organs. A kidney is just a kidney and people die while on the waiting list for an organ.
What he did was horrible but i think we can have some empathy for him as well. He was doing drugs at 10 years old which would have messed up his brain for sure.
Actually it does. It gives her closure. Ppl seek closure in different ways. Sometimes you just need to speak your mind & vent. She needs an emotional outlet. Who else to listen to than the person who took away her daughter’s life?
what would you know? I dont think for one second she thought this would fix everything. I am sure its helped her make sense of somebody she probably just viewed as a monster. Thats huge. I can see it helped her. It didnt heal her.
This story, this process of going through all those emotions and being able to put each others hand on the glass wall after all is so remarkable and precious. People don't know what it takes to really take responsibility and open this door to mutual understanding. It's easier to condemn and judge than dedicate oneself to the truth within. This is a difficult show, but so important. Thank you, 48 hours.
I jenuinely cried. Sorry for the mother and all the pain she and her family endure through all these years and sorry for the misery of us, human beings.
The one thing that cannot be changed is the mindset of the psychopath, their brains are different, they ARE different. It is unfortunate that these people live amongst u.
I have a lot of respect for the mother. I also do not quite understand the power of telling the killer what they’ve done to the family. Doesn’t that give the power to the killer? This works only with someone who has a heart and a conscience. I cannot judge which killer has it.
We're taught and told to forgive. We're also taught to repent. My lesson here was that forgiveness comes easier when the person who hurt you is genuinely remorseful.
This was so very sad. He was genuinely remorseful and died a forgiven man, I believe. I’m glad Paula finally got peace. I don’t know if she’s still alive 26 years later but, I hope her family got the best of her and her daughter smiles from above. ❤
While it's always good to see eps of '48 Hours' being uploaded, it's even better when it's older ones like this. Most of the more recent ones are available to watch for free on CBS player anyway (even outside the States), so it's great to see older episodes that wouldn't be available otherwise. Also, this particular episode was especially involving and fascinating, as well as tastefully done. Please keep these older episodes coming.
Normally I play episodes in the background while I clean. This one I had to stop and sit down and watch. What Paula did deserved my full attention. I can see why her family didn’t understand her need for this meeting- it takes a rare person who can hold both anger and compassion in their heart for a crime so truly horrific. Mitzi rest in peace ❤
My brother recently died at the age of 30; he killed a spider once. He was in a lot of pain before he died so quite frankly it pisses me off that a brutal killer gets more respect post mortem. My family couldn't afford a casket let alone a church service.
In all of the 48 hours Episodes, I was truly moved to tears. I do believe in forgiveness, but only God can soften our hearts to do this freeing act. Strength and Peace to you Mama of Mitzi🙏❤
Matthew 5:4-6 King James Version 4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. 5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. 6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Thank you 48 hours for allowing us into such an emotionally raw experience of these people's lives especially the mother of the deceased. We have such strong women in this world. 🙏🏻💐
Wow, this was quite a compelling episode. Would love to see more different types of formats like these. When Paula got to meet Johnathan it made her see him as a person and visa versa. I wonder how much we all harbor thoughts in our heads virtually vs more realistically.
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Will you do a report on the victims, of the murderers Joe Biden will be pardoning 2024. Looks like thousands of them will be pardoned. Thousands of families will have to cope with this injustice. Thank you
That is THE most powerful segment I've ever seen. What a beautiful testament to the power of forgiveness.
Honestly, such a roller-coaster to watch. Can't imagine being this mother. Such strength and courage to do what she did. I pray she lives the rest of her life surrounded by love, peace, and light.
Love 48hours
So well said.
Id love to see the full 5 hours of them talking.
Ive had my experiences with killers. A lot even. And its quite interesting. Brutal sometimes, but also heartwarming and deep. And high, bc those go together.
I wish more people could do what Paula did. But i know thats not how most people are, so it wont happen anytime soon.
I dont thin by the way,. that its strength and courage what she did. Its something she had to do. Because that is in her. Well, maybe it is. I guess it depends on what you call strength and courage. If it is part of who you are, there is no choice. You just have to do it. Whatever the consequences.
Which by the way, isnt all that different from what he did...
He probably 'felt' or thought, he had to do it.
Thats why the 5 hours, id want to see. Because they might have gotten to this realisation...
And id sure want to see that.
Its about being open...
I could not have said that better ❤
Yes, she is so strong. I don’t know if I can do what she did.
Only 48 Hours could give us such a rare experience. Thank you for respecting the victims and their relatives and thank you for doing such a difficult but great job.
You have never seen interviews like this before?
@@maryjane4432
Have you seen? What?
I’m very happy that her mother was able to have this unusual chance to seize some control over her healing process, after having her daughter taken away so senselessly.
Forgiveness is a gift you give yourself.
Don’t seem like it that’s why I never forgive
@@MontManii…and that’s why God will never forgive you of your sins.
Yes. Took me a long time to understand but it really sets yourself free.
@@thegreatescape902I suggest you try walking in the shoes of those who have a hard time forgiving instead of commenting so glibly. The gospel is hardly being proclaimed in your comment.
Agree and it's also very much a process. One thing I wonder is whether she could've done it (and found closure) by just going to a therapist instead. After all, sometimes those who have wounded us deeply may not be around for us to tell them about the impact of their actions. Other times, they may simply not understand what the big deal is and feel no remorse. What then?
Mitzi was born a month before me . She would have just turned 59 years old in Sept. Makes me think of all the life she has been robbed of. RIP Mitzi . ❤
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Same girl! My birthday is in August…
She had soo much life ahead of her.. heartbreaking.. 😢 💔
Keep it up 48 Hours, keep giving us more of these OLDER episodes please!
i agree!! love these older episodes that are hard to find and so interesting!
Original air date would be helpful! I couldn’t find it anywhere in the description
@@offwitmelkychrms Pretty sure at the beginning of the video they put up the air date at the top of the screen. Think I remember 1999 on this one.
@@truthhurts3524did they? I missed that, thanks!
This was definitely the most difficult, heart-wrenching episode to watch. When Paula and Johnathan "touched" hands through the glass, tears started rolling down my face. No parent is supposed to go through what Mitzi's mom went through. May God bless her and her family.
You and me both. This was so emotional 😭
Out of all the 48 hour stories I have seen, this one hurts a lot. Her mother and family seems so loving and kind. It had to take a toll on Mitzy’s mother to go see the man who killed her and talk. She’s forever heartbroken but she needed closure.
I hope she was able to move on with life. God bless her.
Glad you're posting old videos I've never watched.
Dan Rather? On 48hrs.
Thought I'd seen them all.
i’ve seen legit like every 48 hours so when a new ones posts i get so happy
Lol. I have seen 2%
But it's an oooold one ...🙄
Why is this funny???@@Candy_Mountain
Apparently you haven't because this is SUPER old. They mostly upload old stuff. Lmao.
This episode is actually from 1988!
The most intense 48 Hours I’ve ever watched.
I know right? 😢
Not to me, bc ive had many such talks with killers. (not on death row though).
Its interesting, always, but except for the first time, not intense.
Killers are usually surprisingly human.
@@StofStuiver Yes they are human, but still murderers. Have to be careful where you draw the line with those kind of people, its unfortunately a fact. Im sure you had some interesting conversations tho..
Yes. So many emotions.
@@StofStuivermay I ask what you do? For reference, I ask because I share what I’m guessing to be similar perspective. I worked in a forensics psychiatric unit that housed people who’d committed heinous acts, including taking the lives of others. I’ve always said to people that was one of the most profound and provocatively mind opening experiences of my entire life. I don’t know that I could do it any justice trying to express in words in a UA-cam comment section, but let’s just say it will truly impact the way you see everything.
This was one of the most emotional episodes I’ve ever seen of this show. Had me sobbing.
I started crying hysterically the moment they met... ;(
Forgiveness is a powerful healer 🙏🏻☝🏻
Forgiveness means to let go of the need for revenge so that you can live. Indeed it’s powerful
Well only God can judge
JESus is the reason 🙌 for that to be possible
@@feliciabosch8110 I hear that said all the time, but it is completely un-Biblical.
@@oldhickory4686what The word means is we should not judge to the point of condemnation, but we do judge daily and should judge righteously God willing.
The mother's interview with her daughter's murderer was heartbreaking.What a strong woman
@@deb6853 yep not good
@@deb6853she can have revenge if she wants
@@deb6853 my thoughts exactly. She was bitter for far too long. It destroys the soul.
My eldest son was killed in 2005, by my former husband. Some 6 months after that horror, I was working on paperwork for a hearing- hating that man. Then the Spirit spoke clearly to me: "Andrea, Anthony won't have his father with him in heaven. Don't you go there!"
I knew I had to forgive, or I wouldn't be forgiven... and hence never see my son again. It turned my heart around. Now I have nothing but pity for my ex, and have great peace knowing my son is safe in the joy of heaven.
@@andreaberryhill6654 such an idiotic comment of yours... it's not you to judge how long she should be bitter.
@@nancynancy1587How is it idiotic? She went through the same thing if not worse as it was her ex husband that killed her son. Her point is if she can forgive then why can’t this lady forgive? But of course, people are all different.
I am so happy Ms. Paula had closure...🙏 And I'm happy Jonathan reconciled with both Ms. Paula and with God🙏
Amen
Exactly!
What a powerful woman.
He still got a better death than her daugher did. Singing till he died. She cried and was in pain ther last minutes. 😥
I've watched many episodes this is the most powerful episode I've seen the strength in Paula is beyond
What a brave woman.Hope you all find peace.😢
It doesn't need to be genuine. @@deb6853
@@deb6853 Try losing a child the same way she did before you comment, forgiving him didn’t mean he didn’t had to pay, I believe she’s at peace now and healing is finally possible
This is the way it had to be done.
@@deb6853God judges that. Not you or I…
@@deb6853I agree and I don’t think she can ever forgive him but who can blame her?
@@deb6853I feel she did well in the entire undertaking. She didn't fail. She accomplished all that she was able to under the circumstances.
Mrs Paula........you ARE a special woman ..to face that man like u did ..much respect!!! Your daughter would be proud
God please bless this poor mother. This story is one of the saddest, hardest things to watch. God Bless All who are reading this.
I have mad respect for the mother. There is nothing stronger than a mother's love. I totally understand and support her decision to face her daughter's killer. Its all about the closure. She is definitely a class act and true Christian
Amen.
@@ThisIsJ.NicoleIn the end, it was Jonathan who forgave her her bitterness, her vengefulness and her lack of faith in God and His infallible Promises. He even forgave her her need to be his executioner. Imagine claiming you've forgiven somebody and yet rushing in to witness him die so the last thing he sees is your face! God alone knows if either of them will receive His forgiveness.
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@@janicescott6569 I praise God for you. What a far cry from all the belying flatterers who are busy fawning over her! I am sure you count yourself blessed of God, and so you MUST.
Love & prayers!
True Christian? I don't think so. True Christians are not like that i.e. forgiveness. I just respect her decision regarding the consequences of what happened to her beloved daughter.
This woman is full of so much grace. God bless her and her daughter ❤
Omg, I love this! I CRIED A LOT, but this is the best 48 hours episode!
This was really emotional. Painful to watch. 😢
I don't understand why the prisoner is being trained on what to say. Shouldn't he be speaking from his heart.
I understand why the family thinks it's crazy.
Nobles is loving it. Obviously he doesn't mean it, it's his last bit of fame. If 48 Hours wasn't filming, this wouldn't have happened. Agreed, why the coaching, it's not a school recital?? If it's not real it's worthless.
Same with him saying it's a spiritual obligation 🤦🏼♀️ should have been a PERSONAL obligation.
I don’t think he’s being trained. People say things sometimes with the right intentions but it comes out all wrong if you’ve never had any practice or therapy exposing you to others feelings. I get what you’re saying but the whole point of the meeting was to help, not do harm.
What heart?
@@KevinN-df8eo They wanted to make sure he wasn't offensive to the mother. I've seen other cases like this where the killer taunted the parents and refused to give them closure. Or refused to speak to them at all.
Ron Ross was a brave young man, without his strong fight this case might still be unsolved.
Prayers for all the families
Why should he have the right to refuse to talk to anyone. He gave up all his human rights when he murdered the 2 women
How are you going to force anyone to talk, and be honest when they do?
Would it be better that he refuses or says yes and says all kinds of horrible things? He didn’t refuse at the end, he probably gave her some peace since they spoke for so long.
You cant force someone to talk. Specially on what to say and it be truthful. So it would be meaningless.
Prisoners still have human rights
Prisoners do have rights, and you all make very valid points. I stand corrected
i had also abusive childhood, but i dont go around k'lling people. there is no excuse, these girls had nothing to do with his childhood. these ppl always tryna play a victim card instead of owning to their own mistakes and choices they made to hurt others.
💯🙏
My sister and I were raised in abuse and neglect, raggedy clothes, no School supplies, no lunch money. Both of us are super compassionate, empathetic people who may even give a little too much.
Absolutely! These animals never take their childhood out on their abusers, they always attack innocent and unrelated people and then blame it on their childhood. They make me sick, it’s pathetic.
@@andrewnajarian5994 Not animals...subhumans. I've seen even wild animals show compassion. I saw a huge bear in a zoo save a drowning crow in the bears pond. He just scooped it out and put it gently on the grass, where it lay until it recovered and then scampered off. I've seen wild animals ask humans for help, like the mother deer who stopped a car in the road and gestured for the people inside to follow her.....they did so and she led them to her baby trapped in a barbed wire fence and they helped to free it. The same with whales and dolphins caught in fisher mens nets and they call out for help and people in boats cut them free. Dogs adopting orphaned puppies, chickens sheltering kittens under their wings. All the ways that dogs help humans, horses too. Please don't compare these subhumans with animals.
@@Juanita-gf4te fair point. It really wasn’t fair to animals. 😂
Wow, that took guts..RIP Mitzi..what a good episode..🎉❤
What an amazing documentary. This is one that tugged at my heart almost every minute from the beginning to the end! So poignantly powerful! Simply powerful. Leaves me speechless!
I pray and wish the Lord’s continued peace for Mitzi’s mom.
It such sad case of a mother who lost her daughter in horrfic way😢
I am so sick of people claiming that they made a mistake, NO, you didn't make a F mistake, you made a sick F decision! Still ain't taking responsibility! 🤬
Exactly 😢
Drugs will rewire people's brains
No excuse period
100% Agreed...@SteimieStinker
That’s why so many of us stay far away from them. And why parents have conversation about it before any experiments start.
are you speaking from experience ???
Amen
He tells her about his childhood, which is he got kicked out of high school, kicked out of the Navy, and kicked out of his mother's house, due to his own actions, drugs. Geez, how terrible 😭
I don't feel sorry for this guy in the slightest.
Exactly. They all threw him out because they all realized he was garbage. He doesn’t realize that he’s the common denominator here.
I was hoping the mother wasn't going to cave in and fight for his life. I have no problem if she forgives him, but God demands a life for a life. He can be forgiven by God, but his physical life is required. I'm not interested in any of his excuses or upbringing, we all make choices, and they have consequences.
He turned to drugs because he got kicked out, if anything the system failed him.
@@pilsplease7561 Which system failed him and how?
@@pilsplease7561 no, he said himself that he got kicked out of all three because of his drug use. Stop making excuses for him.
Wow! It brought me to tears!! Forgiveness is powerful !
Indeed. My humble opinion is the same. Let Go of all those evil spirits and let Jesus Christ our lord take over.
Love these throwback episodes, 48 Hours! Keep them coming
I'm with the family.. I wouldn't give him the time of day. 👎
And, that’d be OK. I think Paula did what she felt she needed for peace and to bring her back to her family. ❤
My mother received a liver and kidney transplant. It saved her life. It breaks my heart what this mother is going through, but this guy should have the opportunity to donate.
I agree. An organ donor can save several lives, and good people and their loved ones can have several more years of life together. They won't become him by receiving his organs.
@@Kari.F.The trouble they had with him donating his organs was having them be unusable after his body had been infected with what killed him.
@@bubbabitty5438 There was an option of surgery before killing him.
@@bubbabitty5438that’s the point. He could have had the surgery, then did the injection.
He gave up a lot of so called rights when he murdered someone
The way they gave the description of the attack itself gave me Kohberger vibes, sent chills down my spine.
Except that Kohberger had no cuts, wounds or forensic evidence in himself or his vehicle or house... Remember, he is innocent until proven guilty.
Ditto
An incredible story and one of the best 48 Hours episodes ever.
I am deeply saddened by your loss. Blessings always, Kate
Strong woman. That’s not me. I can’t even imagine how I’d feel losing my child like that but knowing myself I’d insist on staying angry as long as I’d live. Kudos lady.
Me too. I could not and would not ever forgive,
@@ruthsmith1694and then you’ll go to hell when you die.
If the perpetrator finds God, they’ll go to heaven.
So you actually lost in the end!
@@thegreatescape902 not everyone shares the same beliefs lol. Some things are unforgivable and I would gladly “go to hell” for not forgiving someone that murdered my loved one. I could never. I think it’s pretty sick that “god” would punish someone for that.
As a Christian, this brought me to tears. Forgiveness is hard enough but when it’s because of a horrific crime so personal, that’s on a different level and takes a Divine strength to give unconditional forgiveness.
This was so humbling and I give such respect to the victim’s mom.
On the flip side and not an excuse for his evil actions, and sometimes difficult to acknowledge is his humanity that showed itself in the meeting.
Prayers for the family for what they endured and for as much healing as possible for such a tragedy.
I’m sorry but I couldn’t put that gift he left behind in my daughters memory box 😢
I’m so glad I’m not the only one that was taken back by that. Forever, keeping them connected just doesn’t seem right to me. But she is the mom so it’s not my place to rationalize it I guess.
Agree
forgiveness is an important tenant in Christianity
I would not either! Forgiveness has nothing to do with putting a piece of the killer’s property with the victim’s memories/property. Absolutely not in a million years!
@@Shannon-q1z glad you agree with me
This was a very emotional episode to watch. I am glad the mother now has peace. Forgiveness is a mighty healer. The mother is a strong woman.
It’s heartbreaking how, even after all these years, the pain is still so raw for Paula and her family.
How could it not be.
Something like this never ever goes away.
I pray that she and her family finally find some sort of peace.
@@alyssstout8112 It's heartbreaking to think of what they’ve gone through. Hopefully, in time, they’ll be able to heal and find some peace, though it will never be easy.
@@alyssstout8112 God can heal their hearts if they let him.
I agree with the prosecutor on his “sincerity”! The psychologist sits there and evaluates every word he says and manipulates him to say something else. It says he has been doing that with him for months 🤷♀️ That is NOT coming from the heart at all. It’s almost like he coaches him for months to say words and phrases that the therapist knows the mother WANTS to hear. But I do feel in the end, if all that helps the mother heal some, then I guess it shouldn’t matter to me. Hope it did help
i agree 100% that guys big show of tears was a joke . All for attention. Very manipulative
The tears were fake too? Jeez, he must have missed his chance in Hollywood. Because no one is that good an actor.
Whew smh when she sat down at the prison… Lordt have mercy, I couldn’t stop crying!! Bless her heart… that is one strong mama!!
My eyes was balling 😢🙏🏽
Let me get this straight, the prisoner had to be coached on what to say encase he really said what he felt, they suppressed his feelings for the mothers benefit and we are supposed to think that this is good Lol. This was a waste of time, I understand why the rest of her family didn't bother going. She wanted to find peace and instead the whole system played her. Damn feel sorry for her.
No. the therapist is confronting him against himself to the meaning of his words. By elaborating on the 'Im sorry for...' he has to review inside himself his actions and consequences, find depth.
@Samantha-ys2pp what are talking about? He already knows his action which was killing the girl and his consequence is getting a death penalty. What depth is he supposed to find in himself when he's about to be executed?
@@Samantha-ys2pphe has a ways to go still. All the rest of us realize it’s his fault but he’s still blaming the school, mommy, the Navy, drugs…he still doesn’t take responsibility for his actions.
@@andrewnajarian5994
But he did
@@jimwerther he was still making excuses and blaming others for why he did it. That’s not taking responsibility.
The reality was he wanted money, had 0 regard for the value of life and thought he could get away with it. His desire for money and drugs was more important to him than their lives.
That therapist is as manipulative and creepy as the killer! You can’t rehabilitate a psychopath, therapy only makes a more efficient psychopath.
Extreme anger and darkness can be found in those that are not psychopaths and empaths can do surprising deeds while abusing substances. There but for the Grace of God go I.
@@lorimav yeah that was kind of my thought. I don't think all murderers are psychopaths even though we'd like to think they are.
The tragedy of these cases is that the psychopath is hard wired to not have a conscience.
Not many will believe or be able to but forgiveness is so freeing, it heals you in a way I can not explain. Forgiveness truly is for the victim, not the perpetrator.
This Mama is a mighty warrior…. Mad MAD respect.
⏱️ Timestamps by TimeSkip ⏱️
00:00:00 - Introduction to the Case
00:00:46 - Paula's Fight for Closure
00:01:30 - The Confrontation Explained
00:02:15 - Paula's Memories of Mitzy
00:04:01 - Details of the Crime
00:05:18 - Ron Ross's Experience
00:06:46 - Investigation and Arrest
00:08:01 - Trial and Sentencing
00:09:03 - Paula's Desire to Meet Nobles
00:15:27 - Organ Donation Controversy
00:18:14 - Preparing for the Meeting
00:19:22 - Visiting Death Row
00:20:06 - Emotional Meeting Begins
00:21:25 - Painful Memories Resurface
00:22:31 - Understanding the Impact of Loss
00:23:32 - Agreement on Past Actions
00:24:39 - Discussion on Organ Donation
00:25:36 - Growing Compassion
00:28:01 - Paula's Mixed Emotions
00:35:12 - Witnessing the Execution
00:40:02 - Paula's Journey Towards Peace
00:40:52 - Closure for Paula
I couldn't have put his necklace or medal in with my daughter's belongings but that's just me. She clearly adored her girl.🙏
Yeah... that's some creepy crap. I'm sure her daughter wouldn't want that by her memories.
Also... His tears were fake. Everything he said was calculated.
@@Analysis_Paralysis
How does one fake tears like that?
@@Analysis_Paralysisare you sure your analysis isn't paralyzed 😅?
@@hjlydia Tryin' to be funny, huh?
I believe the only reason Jonathan cries is the fact he is aware his going to die not the victims he killed.
Forgiveness is not ever really about the person who did wrong. It is so the victims/survivors can let go and move on. However, you most likely are correct. Crocodile tears are what he was shedding.
I totally believe this too. He appeared to be a master at manipulation. Disgusting murderer.
And thats based on your vast experience of dealing with killers huh?
Its not realistic. Sure there are those that do not care about any life. Usually thats not the case either, bc they do care about some, but not at all about others. And even thats rare. Not caring about anyone at all, is extremely rare.
People do horrible things in the spur of the moment. And they have to live with it afterwards. Thats not easy at all. Most i experienced do have remorse and hate what they did. But as a means of selfpreservation, cannot be open about what they really feel. It would be a bottomless pit. There is a reason so many turn religious. Its the only way to deal with it.
Guilt forces change.
And you cannot easily judge remorse. Certainly not in an 8 minute interview for a hearing, or on trial. People say what they have to say by lawyer. Most cant speak about it, at all. So they just go through the motions. Ofcourse that sounds fake, bc it is fake.
The people most equipped to determine if someone feels remorse are prison workers. They deal with those people 24/7. No psychologist or psychiatrist, let alone anyone in the public based on a 45 minute show, can determine remorse.
Its not what people say. Its the sounds coming from a closed celldoor at night, that give it away.
@@StofStuiver , true.. but a sign of genuine remorse would be he would stop using "I was abused" as excuse. You are very correct in everything you are saying though, but still.. hiding behind an excuse brings any sign of remorse into question.
@@Panwere36 I dont think so m8.
People having killed, but in the spur of the moment (its quite rare if its actually planned long before ( ie in real 'cold blood') find themselves all of a sudden as criminals. Not only to a court of law, but to the general public aswell. To friends,family and if they dont turn away completely, they will want answers.
But also the person him or herself will want answers. And most come up with an explanation.
Its very rare that someone just really doesnt care.
All the others have an internal conflict. Bc almost all of us are raised with the moral of killing being wrong. And we all consider ourselves 'good people', even those who killed. So the self also seeks an explanation and when asked, will provide it eagerly, bc they also want to prove to the outside world that there was a reason. A genuine reason and that they are good people.
That explanation has nothing to do with feeling remorse. Those are two different things. Connected, sure, but wrt this separated.
You cant not come up with an explanation AND maintain the notion that you are good. Those two conflict.
But when asked the right questions, the true feelings may come out. Usually doesnt happen (easily), bc of perpetrator trauma. And thus it is very hard to determine remorse, unless you spend a lot of time with that person. Its little things that give it away. Or, in observation (ie prison workers or in mental institutions) where workers will see it. Its hidden, bc its unlivable.
The words spoken to the outside; in court and so, are meaningless. They say what they have to say, either bc of the lawyer saying they have to say it, or maybe they are smart enough to know themselves that is how it works.
Id suspect more remorse in someone in court stumbling over words, not able to say much or anything, but some tears, than someone using great phrases to express remorse. Thats almost always fake.
Not saying they dont feel remorse. Its just not the settting where one can expect to find it.
And thats because of self preservation. Killers are after all, human too.
Wether we like it, or not.
And having said that; there is a killer in everyone. It just depends on which buttons are pushed. Granted some will take a million buttons and a 1000 years, while others just 1. But that doesnt change the fact.
These are things people just dont want to see, bc its a mirror that breaks their moral beliefs and ego. And thats probably for the better...
But it doesnt help in shedding light on all this.
Maybe that is for the better too. Im still not 100% convinced either way on that, but its made me more mild in judging. And thats a good thing i suppose. Its also more honest.
I understand this woman’s pain. But, I believe that what she is looking for - what she needs - is the power to forgive Nobles.
The man did the most awful thing we can imagine, however, he is doing good by wanting to donate his organs. A kidney is just a kidney and people die while on the waiting list for an organ.
They generally won't accept a prisoner's organs for donation.
@@dr.barrycohn5461 Then they are stupid...
@@dr.barrycohn5461 who would want any organ that once belonged to a vile and evil killer anyway.
@chloeuntrau4588 law makers generally dont care about the greater good! They just play to the gallery!
What he did was horrible but i think we can have some empathy for him as well. He was doing drugs at 10 years old which would have messed up his brain for sure.
She thinks she will be getting her life back but it isn't going to help.
Actually it does. It gives her closure. Ppl seek closure in different ways. Sometimes you just need to speak your mind & vent. She needs an emotional outlet. Who else to listen to than the person who took away her daughter’s life?
what would you know? I dont think for one second she thought this would fix everything. I am sure its helped her make sense of somebody she probably just viewed as a monster. Thats huge. I can see it helped her. It didnt heal her.
This story, this process of going through all those emotions and being able to put each others hand on the glass wall after all is so remarkable and precious. People don't know what it takes to really take responsibility and open this door to mutual understanding. It's easier to condemn and judge than dedicate oneself to the truth within. This is a difficult show, but so important. Thank you, 48 hours.
A worthy story to share. Also the older audio style is so comforting to me and also draws out grief for time and people lost.
This was insane!!!! I cried like a baby. Such a well done documentary
She's a woman . Put on this earth to nurture. That's why she struggled and became emotional over a monster.
I jenuinely cried. Sorry for the mother and all the pain she and her family endure through all these years and sorry for the misery of us, human beings.
*genuinely
What a strange episode!
totally
Why? It’s extremely old
strange is a strange word to use. it was a powerful episode. about the power of forgiveness.
The killers don't want to die, but they don't think anything of taking someone elses life.
Exactly!
The one thing that cannot be changed is the mindset of the psychopath, their brains are different, they ARE different. It is unfortunate that these people live amongst u.
I have a lot of respect for the mother. I also do not quite understand the power of telling the killer what they’ve done to the family. Doesn’t that give the power to the killer?
This works only with someone who has a heart and a conscience. I cannot judge which killer has it.
Hugs Momma!
We're taught and told to forgive. We're also taught to repent. My lesson here was that forgiveness comes easier when the person who hurt you is genuinely remorseful.
He was doing drugs at 10 years old which would have fried his brain, maybe he can't feel remorse.
@@tamitribbiani7907I don’t Think he could fake remorse. She felt it. I felt it.
@@Simplelivingslowliving You might be able to fake it but yeah i don't really think he was. It's nice she could forgive him and even mourn him.
This was so very sad. He was genuinely remorseful and died a forgiven man, I believe. I’m glad Paula finally got peace. I don’t know if she’s still alive 26 years later but, I hope her family got the best of her and her daughter smiles from above. ❤
My favorite show
God bless this woman she is brave and strong
While it's always good to see eps of '48 Hours' being uploaded, it's even better when it's older ones like this. Most of the more recent ones are available to watch for free on CBS player anyway (even outside the States), so it's great to see older episodes that wouldn't be available otherwise.
Also, this particular episode was especially involving and fascinating, as well as tastefully done.
Please keep these older episodes coming.
Normally I play episodes in the background while I clean. This one I had to stop and sit down and watch. What Paula did deserved my full attention. I can see why her family didn’t understand her need for this meeting- it takes a rare person who can hold both anger and compassion in their heart for a crime so truly horrific. Mitzi rest in peace ❤
This is incredible, forgiveness takes work but look at the power it has ❤
Forgiveness by having him murdered and looking into his eyes as he died?
@@chrisgreen2786right. It didn’t look like genuine forgiveness because she still wanted revenge.
It was good to hear Paula forgive him. Forgiveness is the only thing that helps. And it secures your soul with God.
Heart-wrenching to see the mom tearfully confront the murderer.
Her family can tell her she’s stupid for wanting to talk to her daughter’s killer. No one can tell her how to grieve the woman she gave birth to.
This was a powerful episode, thank you
Nothing is going to change for her after he’s gone. The power is letting go, not hanging on
My brother recently died at the age of 30; he killed a spider once.
He was in a lot of pain before he died so quite frankly it pisses me off that a brutal killer gets more respect post mortem.
My family couldn't afford a casket let alone a church service.
What a great episode ❤
In all of the 48 hours Episodes, I was truly moved to tears. I do believe in forgiveness, but only God can soften our hearts to do this freeing act. Strength and Peace to you Mama of Mitzi🙏❤
Always at 4 am! And I’m always awake
You must live on the west coast.
4 am. What time zone are you in?
I love these 80s & 90s episodes they upload!
That's pretty emotional.
One bad decision of going down the wrong path can lead to serious trouble.
I am digging these older episodes. Much thanks.
That silent stare they both exchange speaks a million words.
If only they crossed paths before that fateful night. Him seeing such a strong, caring and compassionate woman could’ve sent him on a different path.
Coached or not, his replies gave some peace to her.That's what matters.
Thanks 48! Nice presentation, The mother is brave! Texas does not play! Thank God for that
I can not imagine losing anyone like this.
Probably the bravest woman I have ever seen I don’t know her but I’m so proud of her ❤
Matthew 5:4-6
King James Version
4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
That was so moving, so well presented I feel for the family yet also felt the prisoner felt remorse.
Another oldie....keep em coming, please!
Thank you 48 hours for allowing us into such an emotionally raw experience of these people's lives especially the mother of the deceased. We have such strong women in this world. 🙏🏻💐
Brave lady❤
Wow, this was quite a compelling episode. Would love to see more different types of formats like these. When Paula got to meet Johnathan it made her see him as a person and visa versa. I wonder how much we all harbor thoughts in our heads virtually vs more realistically.