The same people who sing songs in support of Nicole are the same kind of people who accused Bidens victim of lying. Joe Biden killed the metoo movement.
My father was one of the most abusive men behind closed doors. He terrorized us daily but he never acted that way in front of anyone outside our house. Narcissist’s know how to hide their behavior.
Yes, my friends didn’t even have one clue of my abuse until I finally stopped defending him and told them. It became obvious but sometimes it’s too late. Sadly, I have no visual proof and this girl did! No wonder the abused end up dead or feel stuck. Resources are not always there either!
God bless him and her mum really good family shame our female don't know what they want really men to men change and all other female friends of his wife represent evil u can see how they lie
My dad was a pillar in the church. But behind closed doors was unrecognizable. I was sexually and physically abused behind closed doors. People at church thought he was perfect. I kept his secret until I was 16. I was afraid to tell anyone due to fear of rejection. My sister helped me get out of the situation. I met and married a man who would continue the abuse. I was so petrified of my dad that even after he died, I dreamed he came back after me. After awhile I was confused about who was chasing me. It would start out being my dad and then it was my husband. I was so traumatized. Fortunately, I turned to God and He helped me sort out what was going on and I no longer have those dreams. Thank God!!!
Yes. His mother is thinking, that her son would come to her and say: " I am agressiv against women"? "Mom I beat "my woman", when she deserves this or when I am not in good mood."??? 🤦🏻♀️🤯🤷🏻♀️🤯
Of COURSE there are cases of abuse where the parents are completely biased and refuse point blank to believe their son is the monster that he is. But in this case, the defense is pathetic, and its obvious this woman is very troubled with a history of compulsive lying. There is no evidence he ever hurt her.
If you had asked me about my brother a year ago, I would say he was kind, calm, caring, funny, never violent. But we didn’t know he would go home every day and beat his girlfriend in front of their toddler almost every day. Choking her out until she blacked out, smashing her belongings. Even telling his child to say horrible things to her mother. Idk if she is innocent or guilty, what I do know is that the mother and others who say such kind words about her son, probably had no idea. Abusers are often the most charming people in society, because if they weren’t it would be too obvious how horrible they truly are. She had history of medical records supporting her claims of abuse, and physical witnesses who also saw her injuries. I find it so hard to believe she lied all those times.
my issue is that if she had all this proof and she kept telling professionals about it why did this never reach the police? It seems like she knew how and where to lie in a way that would help give her story credibility but not take it so far that it reaches the police and they come investigate and find out its all false.
@maddii34u I’m not saying she was lying to medical personnel and that he didn’t abuse her, nor that he did, but medics are mandated reporters, and at that point it wasn’t even up to her to report it.. Why doctor(s) and nurse(s) didn’t?
My dad was the guy nobody ever suspected would do anything wrong. But behind closed doors, he was a monster. I can't stand when people stick up for monsters when they never spent a minute behind closed doors with them. 🎭
@lucetothebridge Yes!!! I felt so enraged. That's doesn't make him a good guy. He was at his job.. IN PUBLIC of course he was playing the good guy role!! Ugh
This is how domestic violence cases usually end- at least one will be dead. The fact that a random person at the gym observed his anger and feared for his children is very telling. Her multiple police and hospital reports are not “fabrications.”
If you are being abused by a man who is well-known and really admired-you can forget about ever being believed-it will never ever happen! This story is heartbreaking on many levels.
Yea wtf is that?!?!? For example-Someone can tell the authorities “The gun is hidden under the cabinet” What’s not gonna be there after you know someone’s coming to investigate you?? It’s almost helping them out.. smfh
As a domestic violence survivor, this just brings me in tears, cause nobody or nothing will ever understand what we genuinely went through unless you go through it too (and God forbid).
Awww poor baby. He lost his entire life. I don't care if he was beating her daily. Get out of the relationship. There are less extreme actions that someone can take than killing someone. Duh.
I escaped a 4 year abusive relationship and every time I called 911 he would manipulate the cops into believing that I was the aggressor despite the bruises and cuts all over my body. The authorities made my situation 10x worse and caused him to retaliate against me for calling for help. Finally I confided in his parents about the abuse and they supported me and helped me safetly get away from their son. I am so grateful that his parents supported me because watching these cases just shows how many parents will support their abusive children no matter what. If you are in an abusive relationship DO NOT tell them you plan on leaving… just leave silently or have support to help you get out safetly. My heart goes out to anyone dealing with this and all domestic violence survivors❤️
But you had a legitimate trail. This girl going to non accountable individual to keep her story going that’s why I find it hard to believe! Surely she can slip and tell a hospital or dr office or police.
I also escaped,. It was not physical violence, but psychological indoor only. In front of people he behaved totally different, so it is hard yo prove it is happening to you. Thank God I'm safe because usually psychological violence escalates to physical abuse.
I finally just quit my career, left my apartment, and moved across the country. It was the only way I knew to survive. But I ALWAYS had photos. I would have friends take and save them if necessary because he had access to my phone. It's strange to me that she had no evidence. I'm not saying she's a liar, but it's instinct to document your injuries, not for the police, but in case you are killed.
Until you have been in a domestic violence situation, you can not POSSIBLY understand what a person goes through. You can not judge what you cannot understand. The mental abuse is horrific, the guilt and embarrassment make you feel like a pile of bricks are on your back. The fear of retribution from the abuser locks you up so that you can not make clear decisions.
@@afeahdemefa564. My ex husband started beating and belittling me about a year into our marriage, I had been put in hospital to the point of my mother walked past me without recognising me. I left him so many times, he found me beat me again. You don't know how hard it is so don't pass judgement, instead if someone comes to your door with teeth sticking out of there cheeks, many obvious broken bones in there face, don't turn your back like my neighbours did, what because he would have shot them for helping. Eventually, with nothing exept a little money from my parents I fled to SA. Just don't come out with silly comments, I would like to see you walk a mile in a beaten, raped, and abused woman's shoes and say " they can walk away"
My ex-husband was emotionally, mentally and, at times, physically abusive. The outside world thought he was the nicest, most personable, fun-loving guy you'd ever meet. But that's how manipulative abusers get away with what they do...the only people to see their dark side are the ones closest to them, whom they love the most, and can control the easiest.
My son abused his wife for 23 years. No one believed her in the justice community but I saw it for myself. My son charms people around him and only those closest to him ever saw the true him. He has convinced so many people that she abused him. He weighs 230 lbs, takes steroids, works out all the time. He loves guns and has pointed them at her several times. He is 6'2". His wife weighs 112 and is 5'4". He claims she knocks him down and strangles him. His neck is massive. He claims he covers in a corner while she abuses him. Truth is that is what he does to her. This weekend she fled town. She was told to by the unification therapist. He tells her she is in danger still. She left him 18mos ago and he divorced her. But the mental abuse continues. She was forced to leave her 12 yr old behind and run for her life. He made her take out a huge life insurance policy on herself a few years ago. And just before she ran, she was sure he was plotting her death, wanting her to go on remote hiking trips in mountains. He smoozed the court therapist into believing him and got custody of their daughter who now hates her mother and thinks she is a boy. I belive my daughter in law. I know how abusive he has been to her even though I haven't witnessed it for several years. My son cut me out of their lives because when he got full disability from the army, I had the audacity to say he should start helping pay the bills. His wife has paid for everything since they met. Everything he gets, he spends on himself. I can't believe I raised this uncaring son. My other 2 boys are nothing like him. Long and short, this woman got a really raw deal. I believe her. The prosecutor just wanted a victory. I have very little respect for our courts, especially prosecutors who care nothing for the law and everything for their bragging rights on convictions. Shame on her
Thank God someone believes her!! Sometimes we try to raise amazing kids and they still turn out like s*** maybe he was just evil from the beginning. I bet if you think back to his childhood you'll see red flags and things that he did that would precipitate this kind of behavior.
Respect That you Open your eyes as a Parent altough its very sad and hurting. A lot of Parents are blind or even lie intentionnally when it comes to their Children. I with you all the Best (sorry I speak German my english is Not That Good).
For a minute I thought you're telling my story. I'm South African and his mother didn't believe me, I had to leave my then 2 year old with her because I had to run for my life leaving everything behind. He's a rugby player and I'm struggling to find employment and finish my auditing career path
If you are willing< Me and my family can do something about it. Only a coward abuses women and children. He isn't your son no more. You let me know and he will find himself somewhere remote too.
Expecting a victim of domestic violence to just leave is not only misguided, as Rachel Louise Snyder correctly says, but also a gross oversimplification of the whole thing. And we have seen time and again that "just leaving" is a way to infuriate the abuser even more, and he goes after the "fugitive" to cause serious harm. Many women have been killed precisely because they "just left". The other question to consider is, "Leave for where?" In many cases the woman has no place to go, no well-structured family with an able-bodied father and brothers interested in protectig her. Matter of fact, in many cases of abuse, the woman has no man in the family to give her support, and the abuser takes advantage of that situation.
Those people who are SO SURE Chris couldn't hurt someone are the reason my 8yo had to hide in a closet with a cordless phone to call for help. After I got out, my kid's lifelong best friend (bestie's mom and I have known each other since we were 15) SCOLDED my daughter for, "lying about such a good man." It has absolutely crushed my child. My daughter is now 11yo, and refuses to allow her dad to pretend none of this happened--so now all the mental abuse he put me through he is doing to her. Lying, guilting, threatening, manipulating. But it's my daughter and I who have been entirely ostracized, and stories like this are why I didn't go to the cops even when he tried to end my life in front of our daughter. You NEVER "know" that someone isn't an abuser. Never.
I learned my lesson with the police. The response from them and the people I supported my whole life were more life wrecking than the crime. They'll let you die to avoid work or discomfort.
@@sab_1055 I'm so, so sorry for what you've been through. I understand, I really do. My husband has a job that keeps him very powerfully placed, the kind of job where people like bragging they know someone who does it. He also knows all the cops. The whole thing has been a joke. He makes a quarter mil a year, I have a severe neurovascular disease--I'm throwing all my stuff into storage so my daughter and I can couch surf this summer, he and the girlfriend went skiing three times this winter. It was easily twice as bad because of the way people didn't step up and stand by me. He admitted to being an abuser 15yrs ago, got help for it. The same friends we had then have suddenly forgotten about that I guess. I never ever thought I could end up bitter. It just wasn't my personality. Then I spent three years listening to my little girl scream, "No Daddy! Leave my Mama alone!" in her sleep. It changes you. Mama Bear is in full effect, and I'm in that deep, cold, calm rage place. Call me a liar, whatever. But a 7yo child who hid in a closet to call for help? Are you kidding? Sending you hugs and support. I wish the world was better.
I'm disgusted that abusers get away with abuse. My husband abused me for years and threatened to take my children away from me. Most people did not believe me, because he came across so charming and likeable. I only got away 15years later, when my children were older. They confirmed the abuse before people would believe me.
This is a very confusing case. What I don’t understand is why the nurses and doctors didn’t get police involved when she reported her injuries. Isn’t this the protocol?
Mandatory reporting only applies to at risk adults (elderly & disabled) and children. They cannot make a report without suspicion that the children were being abused too.
@@oliviacarter8540 that's not true. Each state has their own guidlines however NATIONALLY this is the guideline all must follow and it has nothing to do with children. She claimed she was burned by her husband, she lied. This is current. 2023 The health care practitioner must know or suspect on reasonable grounds that a wound or physical injury occurred as a result of abuse from a spouse or cohabitant. Healthcare practitioners must report to law enforcement other types of injuries as well.
Health care worker here, we are not mandated to report domestic violence, we can report suspicious abuse for elderly, kids and disabled persons. People who show up with gunshot wounds or stab wounds. Others have to consent for us to call law enforcement or they can report the assault themselves.
She just did her job. She spents 99% of her time defending women and saving their lives, and the one case she had that was prosecuting a woman gets this type of scrutiny?
I was married to a man for 16 years, who EVERYONE loved and thought was just the best. The man he was at home, was another story. Unless you’ve lived this life, you’ll never understand.
The night my sister had likely had enough and told her husband she was leaving, he pulled out the gun she had hidden from him and he shot her in the chest - in front of her 16 year old daughter (my niece). There was very little evidence of abuse. I am sickened by this particular case because too many people stood up for Nikki and did what they could to help her. One of the last times my sister visited me she was acting odd and had driven over an hour to come see me. She put on a good show and seemed happy. I didn't realize she was just needing to escape the environment she was in. She had a lot of makeup on that day but said she was on her way to work but had decided at the last minute to call out sick because she was having an anxiety attack. Looking back, I think she was hiding. Her husband didn't know where I lived. She went home that day, but within 6 months and just 4 days before Christmas, she was dead. It only came out after her death that she had been enduring so much abuse. I miss her every day. Edit: I would like to add that I believe Nikki - I meant to add that SO many people stood up for her that I feel it should have made the prosecutor rethink her position. I feel strongly that my sister would have ended up in the same boat as Nikki had she endured it for as long as Nikki did. My sister was so embarrassed by the "situation" and truly didn't know how to get out of there. This IS the mindset that an abuser has towards their partner. Where would my sister have gone? She sold her house and moved in with this man (who I should clarify was her husband, but I don't like to) and the abuse came on strong after she moved in with him. He really poured on the love in the beginning and we all thought (at first) that he was too good to be true. Everybody thought he was such a "great guy". Abuse does happen like this often. Too often.
Why didn’t she take the money from the sale of her house and come stay with you? He didn’t know where you lived…? Sadly…in a situation like hers, I wonder if she thought she could change him and stayed because she loved him so much. I don’t blame your sister, I blame the murderer. But it does make you wonder why women put up with this.
moms who are in denial of the fact that their children can do any wrong are the ones who raise and enable abusers like this. how can anyone be so naive? JUSTICE FOR NICOLE!
She killed her husband. As far as you know, she’s the bad guy here. This whole “always believe women” thing is nonsense. Men and women are equally as dangerous, that’s reality.
I as a big and powerful man have been a victim of abuse by a woman- I absolutely believe she is the victim. Unless anyone has been the victim of an abuser there's no way to understand how manipulative the abuser can be. This woman was made a victim the second time by the system. The boyfriend was accused more than once - did he complain to anyone about the false allegations?
@@scottandrews947I've been in several abusive relationships, been put in the hospital etc. She's telling the truth. Good God. He even posted videos of her on P hub. Get help.
@@r.amezquita6289 they don’t work. We all know that. I left an abusive relationship. I was threatened and stalked. There was no way I could have gotten a restraining order. He was a very prominent member of our community. But I did leave a message on the sheriff’s personal cell phone that if something happened to me he did it. What did the sheriff do? Called him immediately and told him. Then he said I was having some mental problems and had them put out a BOLO on me. I was stopped about 30 minutes from the state border. I was detained in handcuffs, taken to the hospital and Baker Acted. I’ve left the state and he now has a state park named after him. Rich and powerful can get away with a lot.
@r.amezquita6289 speaking from experience, to an abuser, a restraining order is just a piece of paper. It doesn't stop a bullet and it certainly doesn't stop the mental and emotional abuse.
She knows the situation,I wouldn't be surprised if she knew the status of the DV victims and used it as for real victims the situation that Carlee Russell did a couple of weeks ago just makes it harder for any victim to come forward she faked her own kidnapping because she was fired and stole from her employer check out the story in Alabama so many times the narcissist "victims win" and then later are found out they lied check out Leticia Staunch good example of a lying thing.
Yes and no. This is a huge setback, absolutely, but it also shines a light into the very real fact that there are women who are as bad if not worse than men about this. The double edged sword of this is that one has to admit human nature is all too often vile in the mos subtle and insidious ways.
@@Panwere36 Are there women who are "as bad if not worse" yes. Was this one of them? No. Not to mention that the vast majority of these cases are men against women. If you ask me, it's a symptom of society not allowing men to be human - no crying, no emotions... what is bound to happen is psychopathy. Doesn't excuse the dogs who do this, but it is a place to start - raising sons to understand that they can be human and feel and daughters not to be nice if someone starts showing red flags. Advice to ALL humans: when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.
@@Madamegato, the problem here is it is still up for debate whether or not the abuse actually happened. Also, how can men "show their emotions" when we have reached a stage where feminism is so militant that men are totally disregarded as even being human? This case only muddies the waters more, and for multiple reasons.
This episode just brought me to tears! So many memories flooding back. Just wanted to mention, the most dangerous time a victim of DV, is when they leave. Saying she had access to resources, a vehicle, etc. is just BS. I was in a severe physical and sexually abusive relationship for 5 years. Always lived in apartments, but only once was law enforcement ever called. It’s not as easy to leave, as the prosecutor alludes to. In a lot of states, a victim needs to press charges. This is something I would never, and didn’t, do.The fury that would of come after he was released, would of been phenomenal. Not sure if the prosecutor gets it. By the way, my State of Oregon takes the responsibility from the victim’s, giving it to the State’s responsibility to press charges. By the way, everyone loved my abuser. “He’s such a great guy! You are so lucky to have him!” I became an expert at hiding the abuse. Too afraid to speak the real truth. Sorry friends and family, but they don’t always show it. Why would they? They don’t want to be shown in a bad light, especially in front of their family and friends.
@@gaylegoodman9097 is that really an excuse? you could have literally got up when he wasn't looking, got in your car and left. absolutely nothing was keeping you there. everybody has fear- it's not a literal physical bear trap keeping you in place
@@craigimenot understanding is ok. You're not expected to. What's not ok is invalidating people's experiences - espec traumatic ones. If you didn't mean to simply invalidate, for no good reason, and you're actually trying to understand, there's so much information about this sort of thing online. A simple google search will get you started. What Gayle said is true - the fear is paralysing, but I'd also add: the trauma bond, and the risk that people won't believe you, and he'll still have shared custody or visitation rights with your kids. So the fear of them being alone with him - abusers also know this and leverage it to force you to stay
I'm so sorry. It happened to my aunt when she tried to leave. It could have and almost happened to me more than once. I'm so happy to be free and safe now
Only because she lied, covered up and protected him. Had she left, pressed charges and not gone back she may still be alive... let the truth be told because you don't know the whole story.. (she did not tell you that) she may had done something to him that you all don't know about that provoked him. Not trying to sound cold but women need to be held accountable for this nonsense.
@mentesinquietas9712 It is not an "excuse". They are TERRIFIED of their abuser. And, may I ask you: when is it most likely that women in abusive relationships get killed? WHEN THEY TRY TO LEAVE.
To all the moms out there, no matter how much you think you know your child, you will never know your child the way an intimate partner does!! Stop saying what your child is or isn’t capable of because the reality is you have NO idea!!
This is not always true, some parents know thier child more than anyone Also why do you expect a mother or family to not say what they know about thier child
People don't understand narcisstic abuse, they are nice outdoors, in home they are monsters. My ex burned me multiple times, I would be crying in pain. My heart goes out to her
Exactly! She was definitely a narcissist. She was gaslighting everyone around her about her fake abuse and Chris had no idea the whole time. She is evil
They're called covert narcassist. IMO, the most dangerous kind. People would have been surprised if they had put a secret camera or voice recorder in our house. What he showed those he wanted to impress like friends etc he was one way & away from them, totally different. He fooled most but not my lawyer who did my divorce for free & was part of the same religion &church as him.
Where's the proof he was a narcissist?? Everything is from her mouth, he's dead , and cannot say anything , I think Nicole is psycho.. she spent her time making up crap cause she's bizarre
18:18 She says "My son never hurt anybody. And that's the bottom line." How could she say that with all the DOCUMENTED evidence over years of abuse. So many documents from medical facilities showing the abuse against her.
Women like who are common in these cases. I personally know women who are like that with their grown sons. Who excuse and deny and justify their sons abhorrent behavior and that is the hill they choose to die on. In general, it's so common for the parents of murderers to excuse the murderer's actions, which is just something i've noticed in watching so much true crime. I always take what the parent say with an absolute grain of salt.
I've been in the same situation for 15 years and counting and all of these comments are making me feel like I'm definitely not alone. Thank you for sharing! ❤
15 years?! I'm sorry but that's just sick to willingly stay abused. It's not impossible to leave especially with all of the resources and support for victims these days
Don’t listen to this other comment. They don’t know what they’re talking about. Stay strong, create a strong network of support of friends, family or a local non profit. Do what you can to survive. ❤ much love to you
My ex husband was beloved in the community. He also beat me until I was in a coma, one of a 15 yr history of abuse. The cops were never any help to me and I have zero pics of the abuse. Leaving was the worst part ever. Every single time I tried to do it I was punished harshly.
My ex-husband (who I was married to for 20 years) always went “above and beyond for everyone”.. except his own family! When I finally got the courage to leave, it was with the knowledge that I may die doing it. Abusers are master manipulators and are able to hide things extremely well. The abused are controlled by fear and, unless you have lived it, no one could ever understand the prison that the victim is in and why they don’t just leave.
The prosecutor should be ashamed of herself. She definitely came off sounding self-righteous and all-knowing. Every time she spoke, I got more irritated with her. Her lack of DV knowledge was evident. From a survivor, shame on her.
She isn't ignorant to abuse, at ALL. This makes her behavior even more abhorrent. Domestic abuse survivors have so few options, and everyone of them is a gamble with their own lives.
As the victim of DV the part that struck me the most were his supporters. The perpetrators always come accross normal and often kind. They aren't generally running around screaming that they manipulate, harm, and assault people. All of my exes friends thought I was nuts and he was a Saint. It's part of the abuse process.
@@bobgillis1137 no. my query is why didn't she try and cover up her wounds like any other DV victim when she was at her friends wedding? Seems a bit sus to me.
some of the medical evidence was not submitted as part of the court case though. The Midwife report was not allowed. Harder for the jury to choose in her favour if the evidence points more towards her as the instigator, whether that's true or not.
@@LeeAnnahsCreations I'm sure they do, however, victims would want to cover up their scars and wounds, but she didn't. that is very sus. Also, unfortunately, these days, there are a lot of women who do lie about domestic abuse. I myself have known someone who has, so there's good reason to be sceptical.
@garethconey9603 you realize most women who are killed in domestic violence, are killed right after leaving? No, you don't. Don't speak to things you know nothing about. Stop blaming women for the bad behavior of men.
My husband become a terrible monster after drinking alcohol he throws off his outburst in the most unstable way. He lashes out and bullies me and belittles me continuously
@@MoW-n4hYou stay strong and make an exit plan to the best of your ability, you can do it! Do whatever you have to do to protect yourself in your children and get away from the abusive pos safely and quietly. Don't let him know you're leaving. It took me years but I finally did it. I can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel and my kids and I are happier than we've ever been. I wish safety and peace and health and happiness for all abuse victims and their children❤
@@MoW-n4h Are you scared he'll harm your kids? That happens a lot. Jesus is coming back. Believe He died for your sins and rose again then repent to be saved.
As a DV survivor I completely believe her nobody ever believed me until I was granted a restraining order it wasn’t easy it’s very hard to get away from a situation like this and to prove that what your saying is true. Everyone thought he was the nicest person ever when in reality he was a monster.
If she could have multiple affairs , it is hard to believe that she couldnt leave because of fear. Then there is muzzle print on entry wound to skull,exactly as google searches were found,about shooting someone asleep in head,medulla . Self defence shot can be to leg abdomen and then she can leave. No doubt chris may ve been abuser, but she wasnt afraid to hook up with a cop .
As a victim myself, the people and prosecutors saying what they said, is ALL the more reason why we DON'T report it or come forward. Why should we when the abuser gets vindication and we lose our lives or go to jail?!?!?!? Y'all are making it harder for people like us to ever want to come forward or get help. You don't know how hard it is, until you live it. And, I'm a firm believer in, they need to experience it, before they get any kind of say about it. Just because someone is good in most areas of public perception, doesn't mean they're the same way behind closed doors.
Blame it on the women who lie. That’s why DV victims can’t come forward. Nobody takes anyone seriously because of all the false allegations women have made over the years.
Impossible to say WHICH ABUSERS did that - if you watch the video she was supposedly the victim of OTHER abusers, of which I believe Chris Grover was NOT one....
If they say there are real victims out there that needs help, why isn’t she one of them? Do you really need to be in a morgue to be believed?? This is insane, and as a survivor myself that was never believed by the system, I’m angry and sick to my stomach
Your small brain can't comprehend that a victim can snap and realize that it's either them or the abuser who will survive? That the abuse builds up until they can't handle it anymore??? Try to open your mind.
Wow! Just because u dont see a person being mean does not make you certain of how he is at home.. My dad was seemed like the perfect father by most of my moms family. To even tell her to go back with him once she finally left him… It was my sisters and i who finally convinced her of leaving our father. The stuff we saw and went through.
No one but those that live with you will know what you go through at home. We have a saying in Spanish that says “caras vemos corazones no sabemos” which means “we see faces not hearts”
Exactly! In general: Parents, friends and others have absolutely no idea how someone close to them handles romantic relationships. How could they? They haven't experienced his or her explosive, jealous rage and coercive control, because he or she has no need to control them. People have no idea about what goes on behind closed doors.
Is this a joke?! I don’t believe she shouldn’t be held accountable for manslaughter BUT to say she lied about being abused on top of sending her to jail for 20 years to life?!?! Wow smh.
@ChelsiB. Well she wasn't afraid anyway for another beating. Which never happened I suspect. Just believe her on her word is also not the wayl is it? There are enough cases around where it was more clear it all having been all faked.
@@ChelsiB.well I have rights to speak. I was abused by my ex. Mentally. Physically. Emotionally sexually. . We have no proof if she made this up or not… where’s the texts then of her saying he abused her then. Also why did she tell someone “he’s not dead yet” … I understand the point that you might get lashing out. And yes if she was actually abused she would be scared leaving. I understand that all But also maybe she was the one with the personality disorder and did make it up. It is quite possible she was suffering from a personality disorder that kicked in around 16-18 right before she met him. Also her sexual history with the cop shows extreme instability. What I’m saying is you can’t automatically say she was being abused. People know I was abused. How? I would call my family weekly and tell them I was living I hell. That I thought I would be stabbed in my sleep. That I was in an extremely toxic relationship ( most embarrassing thing I said to my ex wife ). I don’t see the evidence of her actually reaching out. It’s her codependent friend trying to “over help her” and giving her the pity card is what I see. . And I see a woman with Personality disorder
This mother of the abuser is delusional. She actually believes she knew her son better than his partner. No way! Only a person intimate with an abuser knows what they are capable of doing. Abuser's often have a reputation for being the nicest, most kind, funny, wonderful person alive. But that's the face they show to the outside world. The ugly, violent face is the one the victim knows.
@@jwil2414 - whatever the truth of the matter is with regard to blame in this particular case the original poster is right in so far as the adult you are in an intimate relationship with is not the same adult that a mother, or father, knows, and knew from birth. When kids hit their teens they generally start to keep parts of their life separate from their parents. Additionally their parents, not unnaturally, tend to have a biased and positive view of them. Many parents can't be objective about their kids through ignorance of who they become as adults and the bias natural to those who brought them up from innocent new borns to young adults.
Many, if not most mothers of abusers were also abused. I know someone that married an abuser and confront his mother who said, "that is just the cross you have to bare just like I have been doing married to his father". How do you think an abuser learns that behavior?
@@jwil2414the evidence shows otherwise. It was very documented and some of those injuries she could not inflict on herself. The appellate court agreed. He was a violent abuser and got exactly what he deserved kinda. His mother is beyond delusional.
@@outofcompliance1639I can disprove this theory. My oldest son beat the crap out of his ex, and he grew up in a 100% abusive free home! Also, I grew up in a non abusive household.
Everyone in my family, family friends, and even my sister's and brother in law 's friends thought my brother in law was the most wonderful person around. We were all wrong. We didn't realize what my sister was going through. Until she left him. The real person came out. He lashed out at everyone in the most horrible way.
From my own experience of DV abuse, I can say the only people who knew of what went on in the marital home was our children and my close friends. Everyone else saw a lovely guy who was wonderful. Our boys used to call his persona in the outside world "Wonder Greg" but obviously only amongst us 3
Agreed - it's preposterous hearing randoms who were coached by him or work colleagues say that he's innocent and couldn't possibly have done anything wrong. And if the prosecution's case is at least in part based on the proposition that she could have left at any time then, knowing what the reality is when women leave abusive relationships, its utterly fraudulent and simplistic.
Same here, my ex was the life of the party, charming handsome, funny intelligent but when he snapped he was gone. Almost killed multiple times. Had to leave early in the morning and spend 5 months in a dv shelter. Some people saw it others were blinded by his shining charm and gift of manipulation and word play. I believe her and she had enough took her chance and ran.
@@simonw1313the case is based on the evidence that she is a manipulating cheater who only cares about her own image. She’s a cold blooded murderer and deserves to rot in jail for the rest of her days
@@johnpierce1470 - there seemed to be at least reasonable doubt that that was the case. And - to repeat - asserting that she could have left at any time, as the judge and prosecutor did, is simplistic nonsense that betrays real ignorance about how domestic violence plays out in the real world.
I actually can't believe this woman wasn't believed 💔 I was a victim of abuse and I can't even begin to tell you how terrified I was to leave. People have no idea how emotional and mental abuse disables you. My mother in law said I was a liar too! Everyone found my ex husband to be charming and friendly and the abuse always escalates after a baby has arrived because once you have their child they have more of a hold over you and now the system is depriving her children of their mother. This is a heart breaking story 💔
She accused nearly every man she was physical with of R so, and he had no one from the past accuse him, he didn't do the horizontal dance until a year later ???
My father physically and mentally abused me for years. I’ve always wanted to leave. There were even times when I already packed my things and prepared to leave our house. But every single time the fear of getting caught and found by my parents and experience even more abuse always kept me to stay. The fear that the abuser inflicts on their victims is so traumatizing that they inflict mental fear even if they’re not around. You get so scared you can’t even move. I couldn’t tell anyone because one, I was scared no one would believe because my parents have always given me everything a child could need and more. 2nd, I had trust issues because of how he made me feel. I couldn’t find it in my heart to tell anyone about such a tragic and dark secret in my life, especially since my father has always been a saint towards others. I thought, no one will definitely believe me. And 3rd, stupid as it may sound, but I loved my father and mother even after all that abuse that I still thought about not inflicting shame on them if I exposed my father’s abusive behavior. But when I finally realized either I die by his hands or try my might to escape even if he kills me, that’s when I finally had the courage to choose my life and try by telling a relative and other people close to me. Out of 4 people I told, only 2 of them believed and offered to help me. If they hadn’t, I would still be living in that nightmare. Not even sure if I’m still alive typing today or lying in my grave by the hands of my father, the truth covered and stories against me made up by my parents. So for people like this prosecutor, I only pray that you find it in your hearts to listen and believe and not judge, especially if you’ve never experienced abuse before in your life, because a single word more so a decision like this, could either lose a life or save it. And to anyone reading this currently experiencing abuse from anyone close to you..I pray that you find it in your heart to muster up courage and to finally choose yourself. Before it all ends the other way… God bless you.
People belittling her and calling her a liar while praising the abuser made my blood boil so much I couldn't watch the program till the end. Absolutely disgusting!
All you have to do is to take a look at the footage of Gabby Petitos entanglement with the cops to see that victims become really skilled at hiding any evidence of DV (to the point of blaming themselves to justify it). And then take another look at Brian's (her abuser) interaction with those same cops, to see just how easy and effortlessly he was able to explain the whole incident away, to the point where cops were joking with him and making light of the situation. And, she didnt even have any physical evidence or a history of evidence on her, at all, in her case.
@@craigime it has everything to do with just how convincing a person can be to outsmart even cops trained to look for signs of DV, but especially the friends and family of those around them. They are extremely convincing. It also proves that she was right in her assumption that she won't be believed, even with the history of burns and bruising she had as evidence to back it all up.
@@kdfree91this is assuming the abused has no one to confide to. The woman here clearly had many friends and begrudgingly confided to one. At some point you have to be an adult and tell someone who will listen. The ones who are truly in peril are kids that have abusers as parents. They literally have nowhere else to go and will lie in order to not be put in the system.
Well she was not that innocent either! She obviously pushed him so much with her behavior that eventually he snapped! I am not taking his side but she acted like mentally not stable and she could easily left when the cops separated them .she decided to pick him up and continue the journey with him. So it was toxic from both sides
@@craigimeit shows the inherent bias and general lack of education among law enforcement and the justice system as a whole when it comes to domestic violence and abuse.
This story is very disturbing. I have a lot of family members who have experienced Domestic Violence from their partners and have experienced awful trauma. The reports of the abuse she received was familiar to the abuse my relatives went through. Plus, listening to the Prosecutor was disgusting. She has no idea and her inability to understand those who have experienced DV is treacherous. The statement of Nikki just leaving, that is not how it works, there is so much more than just saying you are going to leave. Ugh, this episode make me sick. One of my aunts tried to "just leave", but she was killed by just trying to leave. Her evil husband is in prison. Its a lot easier said than done, and those who believe its simple... they are truly clueless. Also, her evil husband was the nicest person to those around him, he wanted to become a pillar in his community, but to my aunt, his kids, and a few of my relatives, he was rancid and absolutely evil.
The "man" who financially, sexually & emotionally abused me for 4 years was charming and popular when we weren't alone. They didnt see me try to jump out of a 2 storey window to escape him, or him trying to run me over. Some saw him headlock me in a car and drive off with me threatening to leave me in the mountains but are too afraid to ever speak of it.
NEVER LET YOUR KIDS HAVE SLEEP OVERS. My father never allowed it. He protected us, always. He would say, I don’t know who goes in and out of that house. Gracias Papi, rest in peace ❤️
My mother used to take me and my brother out to my grandmother’s house to sleep over with a cousin who turned out to be one of the most sadistic pedophiles in the state. She wouldn’t let me play football on the school team but she let me spend nights with the devil. I still have PTSD from it.
This was a hard one...my sister was a sociopath. People thought she was amazing, but the family knew better. Her husband was the abused one. He was a cop and a foot taller than her. She had claimed rape, never filed charges since it was her husband's supervisor, but it was an extramarital affair. But if you didn't know her, you would believe her.
I'm surprised that you're pouring dirt on your sister, it rarely happens, especially coming from a family member, maybe you've got special feelings to your in law, GOK, 😮😢
How could the prosecutor lady say that she could have left at any time when she has represented rape and abuse victims? That's like the first thing you learn is that abuse victims often feel trapped. Geez. There's something wrong with this lady.
Because the CONTEXT is the execution of a sleeping human being, genius. Leave... or shoot him in the head? Leave... or shoot him in the head? Gee, it's SO hard to choose (if you're a sociopath).
This is a weird case where it feels like everyone is lying. I can't even tell. I'd have to look at all of the evidence, not just the little bits presented here. Her side sounds exaggerated at least, while the mother of the victim claiming her son "never hurt anyone in his lie" doesn't sound likely for a man who has problems with his temper. He would've at least got in fights as a kid or teen. When both sides aren't credible I really need the whole of the evidence to make a decision.
I agree but I also believe with the evidence we can maybe say it is a multi factorial case where abusive relationships (maybe from both parts but specially from him to her) make her get in a state of mind where there was not other ending on her mind, it is a typical reaction of the human being when being abused at high levels of stress.
Agree! I want to believe her but there is no actual evidence to prove her claim. The evidence she presents can easily been done by someone else. That report that names Chris made me doubt, but then again, was his dna taken to prove it was him? No. That is where the case fails and if she was a victim, then they failed her by not taking his dna to prove her claims. A lot of women out there are manipulated and lie because they know they are more likely to be believed.
I agree, I can’t tell who is lying either and I’m a victim of DV. Something about her stories..I would never have had the balls to send texts messages that would trigger my ex to do something to me (considering her claim that she was scared for her life…that part didn’t make sense). I hid my bruises and did not display them like she did in all her photos. It was as if she was trying to be obvious about it. I also never sought for help until I was finally ready to leave. If she was brave enough to go to the hospital to report him multiple times, what was stopping her from leaving? It’s very confusing to say the least.. .
She’s FREE!!!!!! Thank God. The “believe her” podcast did an amazing job of depicting the story and the horrible abuse Nikki endured. So glad she is free.
So pleased to hear they reduced her sentence. Nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors. Nobody, including family. Wishing Nicole and her babies all the best.
She was released 1/4/24 on parole. This episode was wild. I was shocked to see so many people say, "He would never do this." anyone is capable of horrible things. I'd be curious to see more evidence, text logs, and search histories...
I was raised in a DV family. My Father did many heinous things to my Mother, and siblings. Fortunately, my Mother was a strong willed person and my Father left. It's not an easy or safe decision to flee from the abuser. My heart breaks for the two little ones. I hope they'll grow up in a safe environment.
hi, i'm currently in a similar sitch where my dad is a narcissist and my mom is divorcing him after like 30 yrs of marriage. she's so strong through it and i'm very proud of her. but god sakes things suck right now.
"Strong willed" women are trapped in DV relationshipd all the time! People don't will themself out of a violent relationship anymore than they would will theirselves into a violent relationship.
1st time ive heard this story, i vote NOT GUILTY. When they refused her a lower sentence, I KNEW, the judge and the prosecutor were colleagues. Shameful!
33:00 that part about the curling iron doesn’t making sense, saying her hair was curled in the photo….she had it done in the salon, you might burn yourself but a hair dresser doesn’t burn you, just ask for hair dresser, she’d be able to sue the hairdresser if it happened in store.
It also would've been very easy to corroborate by just asking the hairdresser if she had accidentally burned her client or if she noticed that an injury was already there.
The justice system failed her! What a tragedy! The end where the supporters were gathered and singing with their hands up and seeing her standing in the window…man, that broke my heart!!
This is really sad. I personally know what its like to live with someone abusive that looks like a decent person to the outside world. Manipulation is a huge part of being abusive. Most if not all abusive people put on a persona to cover up the pain they are inflicting on their victims, masking the truth to the outside world. Its deceptive for jurors not to see all of the evidence, which can heavily influence their judgment. My heart goes out to this beautiful young mother but I'm glad she received a reduced sentence. I hope she can be released early and start life over. This judgment was completely unjust in my eyes. The legal system completely failed her. 🙏🏾💜🙏🏾
Yeah. My ex was a "pilar of the community" and "loved by all" and nearly unalived me and our children more than once. His mom would say she knew him best, and her golden boy would never do that. But he did. For years. So there's that. There are so many women in prison for defending themselves and/or their children in DV situations. How many abusers smack their own mothers around? That's not a common occurrence.
As so many DV survivors already wrote, you truly don't understand what it looks like on the inside of a person who suffered such violence. I was completely broken down, day by day, little by little until I couldn't recognize myself anymore. If it were physical I would've been just one giant swollen bruise but it was "only" emotional and mental. Sometimes when I think about it, the gaslighting, the threats of self-harm, the police calls...it looks so surreal now yet I know that if he didn't move away to another continent be with his ailing father I could've easily ended up dead by his hands. Later I tried to do it to myself and luckily survived. I'm so sorry she wasn't believed.
If you're convinced nobody on earth understands something about you, then it's ON YOU to do whatever it takes to make sure you're never in a position to be judged by a jury of your peers for it. While this might sound impossible, it's anything but. Don't kiII sleeping people. That's it.
A travesty of justice. With all the evidence of abuse, medical, photos of the damage done to her genital area, burns, bruises, etc. in front of that judge and the prosecutor? I fully believe Nicole. I was shot by a jealous bf 7 times, one passing through the pericardium and others missing vital areas by millimeters. I was not a victim of abuse as I have a strong character but, when he started controlling behaviour and showing extreme jealoousy, I told him to leave. Et voilà! I'm still here 42 years later. My heart goes out to Nicky.
Those medical examination records should have been presented in court. The one description of her anatomy appearing to be turning inside out was the greatest proof that probably would have set her free.
This episode made me feel sick! Anyone who knows anything at all about DV knows that ab*sers are master manipulators, and excellent at making themselves seem like the good guy. The prosecutor is absolutely EVERYTHING that is wrong with how our society sees, and treats victims. I hope this young mother is able to appeal this verdict. My heart goes out to her and her children🙏🏻
@magnolia31611 100% agree. Dude was burning her, biting her, obviously abusing her and it was documented 5+ times and they can't use any of that info at trial? Like what? And that prosecutor pretending like nothing happened... ???
@@sacroyalty nope. She was the con artist who made up the stories and used self infliction other wounds. Absolutely no question about it she had inconsistent stories, talked about getting raped by handyman, but then later changed it, and said she had sex with a boyfriend when she was questioned further. I feel great affection for this poor girl in that she was sexually assaulted when she was young. But later, she apparently decided to be a victim, the rest of her life. And started manufacturing it. I’ve read a lot of stories of women that have done this. I’ll assume men as well. She said that she told medical workers during all of these times she went in that her husband was doing these incredibly horrendous things to her. They didn’t believe her period Sorry, I know people in that business. He would’ve been arrested after the first one let alone after the 30th story she had about what he was doing to her. Putting a gun in her and raping her with it. She Didn’t know how to be moderate with the lies. She went so overboard.
The whole time I was wondering what his Ex’s have to say. I hate to not believe her, but it is highly suspect that she’s made these claims about virtually every man she has ever met including the maintenance guy. If it was just him and another BF or something that would be one thing but she’s claimed this about 5 or 6 different men. Is every man in Poughkeepsie an abuser? She starts to seem like the boy who cried wolf at this point. The internet searches seemed pretty sketchy too.
A profile of an abuser and his victim. Prosecutor Krause needs serious education in domestic violence, domestic abuse. She is criminally ignorant. The system FAILED AGAIN.
Why are these "mother's" always so hellbent on the fact that their precious child may be a monster? Do they ever consider that he may have been abusive?
These are the same women who raised the men that grow up to do these things. They coddle their sons, treat them like the victim, never teach them boundaries or empathy for how their actions affect others.
Loved how his mom was defending him as she knew what he was doing 24 /7. John Wayne gacey was "nice" to people. But he had over 40 dead bodies in his crawl space
@@Monalisa0622they are talking about the killer John Wayne Gacey. He was American serial killer and sex offender who raped, tortured, and murdered at least 33 young men and boys in Norwood Park Township, near Chicago, Illinois. He became known as the Killer Clown due to his public performances as a clown prior to the discovery of his crimes. An everyone loved this dude basically, when he was arrested people were shell shocked. Like no way the mf clown did it? Wow. An his killing years were very short from 1967-1978
@@Monalisa0622they are saying John Wayne Gary had over forty dead bodies in his basement, not Chris from this video. They are just saying people who hurt others aren’t always obvious to those not entwined in their every day life.
My mother was abusive to us our whole childhood and in public she would portray her kids as horrible, unthankful brats. Meanwhile we were so scared of her, humble and so very shy because we had zero self confidence. My mother would tell us for years that we are nothing, we are useless, ugly stupid kids and we will never do anything useful with our life. Growing up as a child I didn’t know that there are families with loving parents until I saw how my cousins and friends were treated. They were treated with love, kindness and respect. I am writing this because no one believed us (kids). 😢no one protected us from the evil person who suppose to love, protect and nurture. It was so painful when the outside world blamed the kids, saying why aren’t you listening to your mom. I was able to get away from the abuser as an adult. She had no more control over me. She got mad one day and said to me that I am no longer her child. I cut all ties with her!!! Don’t let people tell you. Oh! But it’s your mom, you only have one mom. No, she is a bully and an abuser. Get away from these people as soon as you can and as far as possible.
I am so sorry you had to go through all that with your mom 😢 no child deserves that kind of treatment! Especially by your own mother! I get it tho, my mom wasn’t a very good mom either and I cut ties… I hope you’ve healed or are on your healing journey!! ❤ You got this!!
When the prosecutor says it is unpopular to accuse women claiming DV of lying... Except in court, every single time. It is scary now little people know or understand about this.
This case is so crazy & just makes me so grateful to God I made the decision to leave my marriage when I did. The day I left, I got a uhaul truck while he was at work & neighbors were surprised to see I was leaving because in their eyes we were happy newlyweds. One of my sisters was really good at noticing bruises I tried to cover up but I would lie about how I got them because I felt ashamed my marriage was failing so early on. In my mother in law’s eyes, her son was an “angel”, but people don’t know what happens in a marriage & behind closed doors. The pornography story in this case hit close to home for me- same thing in my relationship. So much his mom could have never imagined… I knew if I didn’t leave when I did, one of would end up 6ft under, me as his victim or him as a consequence of me defending myself. When in a toxic relationship it’s best to just LEAVE.
As a survivor of domestic abuse, this is so very scary. I was able to love myself enough & gather enough strength to leave, but what if this was me, being locked up for a very long time for getting out the only way possible in the situation. I BELIEVE you Nicole, & I pray you someday are free & have peace. Thank God Matt & I did not have children, for they are the ones who are suffering the most, traumatized in unimaginable ways, having to grow up without both parents. It has been a little over 5 years since I escaped, & I am still single & healing such deep wounds of rape & abuse by the man I loved so dearly. Matt, on the other hand, died November 29th 2021 of a fentanyl overdose ( he was clean when we met, but already an addict for years & relapsed in the 4th year of our 6yrs together), & now can never hurt another again. ✌️💖🤗
Do you want to know what’s even more scary? That man and those babies in that house with a mentally ill Nicole. I do not discount what you have been through.. what you went through and the investigation of what this woman did are 2 very different things.
@@JK-fz8zh - you’re full of BS. She acted in self defense. It is people like you that make DV victims not to have the courage to speak up! Shame on you!
@@JK-fz8zhHowever, it overturned her original sentence, which was reduced 27 and a half years based on the fact that she had evidence of domestic violence at his hands. Unfortunately, your judgment of her based on a subject you clearly don't understand doesn't change that.👍
How does the reported evidence of physical abuse get completely disregarded!!!! Chris Grover’s female attorney disgusts me. I lived through severe emotional abuse that got to the verge of physical. And I still live with complex ptsd! I was terrified to leave. It took multiple times with family help to get out. And then was harassed and was near impossible to co-parent. It’s still insane. My kids now see the light and how he is. My daughter has cut her dad out of her life bc she sees his manipulation and gaslighting and complete inability on his end to address his many mental health and self medicating issues. It breaks my heart for my kids. The justice system needs to get re-educated on the deep psychological ride that happens and why it is never , just leave… the system is so broken! But I’m glad her sentenced was reduced.
It's actually very common for DV perpetrators to have an immaculate image outside their homes. "oh, he can't hurt a fly... he's really kind and giving...etc " that is their facade, the main purpose is to isolate their victims and paint their victims as crazy or the one who's abusive.
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The same people who sing songs in support of Nicole are the same kind of people who accused Bidens victim of lying. Joe Biden killed the metoo movement.
How easy it is to drag a man's name through the mud who's not here to defend himself. So, brave.
I'm continuously confused as to how exactly you can r4pe a spouse. That's simply not a thing.
And how are you more likely to be a victim as an adult because of childhood trauma? That's ridiculous. Life long victims? Come on man
@@StevenEvens7125 25:15
My father was one of the most abusive men behind closed doors. He terrorized us daily but he never acted that way in front of anyone outside our house. Narcissist’s know how to hide their behavior.
Yes, my friends didn’t even have one clue of my abuse until I finally stopped defending him and told them. It became obvious but sometimes it’s too late. Sadly, I have no visual proof and this girl did! No wonder the abused end up dead or feel stuck. Resources are not always there either!
But how do we really know he was abusive if he ain’t alive to tell his side of the story
She is a killer and was not self defense at all she is a killer I am happy she is charged because she is monster I can tell from her lier friends
God bless him and her mum really good family shame our female don't know what they want really men to men change and all other female friends of his wife represent evil u can see how they lie
Lmao is he your father?
My dad was a pillar in the church. But behind closed doors was unrecognizable. I was sexually and physically abused behind closed doors. People at church thought he was perfect. I kept his secret until I was 16. I was afraid to tell anyone due to fear of rejection. My sister helped me get out of the situation.
I met and married a man who would continue the abuse. I was so petrified of my dad that even after he died, I dreamed he came back after me. After awhile I was confused about who was chasing me. It would start out being my dad and then it was my husband. I was so traumatized. Fortunately, I turned to God and He helped me sort out what was going on and I no longer have those dreams. Thank God!!!
Thanks for sharing and happier that God helped you through it.❤
She has a funny last name. So I think she's guilty.
I hope you left your husband too😢
That's what we do...may you always be blessed
Amen. Jesus will heal you.❤
"My son would never do that."
- said every mother of every murderer
And every mother of every innocent person.
And mothers also say that about their killer daughters.
true... same goes for daughters and fathers....
You're not _not_ right.
true!!! a mother who doesn’t know their sons sick attitude
I would never allow my child to get on national tv and speak on the character of someone who is only her teacher
Hear, hear!
Yes. It felt very off to me.
Same ❤
That girl looked forced in the opening.
Good point!!
Ughhhh I hate when a parent refuses to believe their child is incapable of anything negative. She had no idea.
Yes. His mother is thinking, that her son would come to her and say: " I am agressiv against women"? "Mom I beat "my woman", when she deserves this or when I am not in good mood."??? 🤦🏻♀️🤯🤷🏻♀️🤯
Typical for most American parents. "My baby could never have done this!"
Okay the same can be said about Nikki. She absolutely could he lying and nobody seems to think that
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Of COURSE there are cases of abuse where the parents are completely biased and refuse point blank to believe their son is the monster that he is. But in this case, the defense is pathetic, and its obvious this woman is very troubled with a history of compulsive lying. There is no evidence he ever hurt her.
If you had asked me about my brother a year ago, I would say he was kind, calm, caring, funny, never violent. But we didn’t know he would go home every day and beat his girlfriend in front of their toddler almost every day. Choking her out until she blacked out, smashing her belongings. Even telling his child to say horrible things to her mother. Idk if she is innocent or guilty, what I do know is that the mother and others who say such kind words about her son, probably had no idea. Abusers are often the most charming people in society, because if they weren’t it would be too obvious how horrible they truly are. She had history of medical records supporting her claims of abuse, and physical witnesses who also saw her injuries. I find it so hard to believe she lied all those times.
You can also say that about regular people.
A person's insecurity is a dangerous weakness.
my issue is that if she had all this proof and she kept telling professionals about it why did this never reach the police? It seems like she knew how and where to lie in a way that would help give her story credibility but not take it so far that it reaches the police and they come investigate and find out its all false.
@@SpydersByte she was terrified, duh! she had no confidence in the police protecting her. which, I don't blame her thinking that way.
@maddii34u
I’m not saying she was lying to medical personnel and that he didn’t abuse her, nor that he did, but medics are mandated reporters, and at that point it wasn’t even up to her to report it.. Why doctor(s) and nurse(s) didn’t?
My dad was the guy nobody ever suspected would do anything wrong. But behind closed doors, he was a monster. I can't stand when people stick up for monsters when they never spent a minute behind closed doors with them. 🎭
I share your pain...stay strong 🦾
YES ! And I laughed to those Chris supporters. Those students spent time in his class like a couple hours/week ? seriously ?
@lucetothebridge Yes!!! I felt so enraged. That's doesn't make him a good guy. He was at his job.. IN PUBLIC of course he was playing the good guy role!! Ugh
@@sharonthompson7556 You as well!
@LuckiestStarByFar exactly. And the mom sticking up for him. Makes me sick!
This is how domestic violence cases usually end- at least one will be dead. The fact that a random person at the gym observed his anger and feared for his children is very telling. Her multiple police and hospital reports are not “fabrications.”
It said she had also heard about Nikki's injuries, that clearly was a big motivator to the caller
yup.....he "showed a little ankle" as the saying goes, when he acted out at the gym......
No neither are the text messages she sent to friends about killing her partner…🤷
AMEN!
That’s not true. They don’t mostly end in death.
If you are being abused by a man who is well-known and really admired-you can forget about ever being believed-it will never ever happen! This story is heartbreaking on many levels.
So true
I believe you. 👍🍻
Very true
@@rebeccaaicea4974 yes unfortunately. 👍🍻
@@Control-Alt-Delete619 it’s crazy smh
CPS giving warnings first before visiting is RIDICULOUS. They should be by surprise.
Yea wtf is that?!?!? For example-Someone can tell the authorities
“The gun is hidden under the cabinet”
What’s not gonna be there after you know someone’s coming to investigate you?? It’s almost helping them out.. smfh
Yeah I've never heard of CPS giving a heads up before showing up It doesn't work that way
@@shelleycabarrus8104It does work that way. You can't just show up.
@@shelleycabarrus8104 the only time they just show up like that is in extreme cases and they bring the police with them.
Yes! I reported things multiple times and they always call first. So ridiculous!
As a domestic violence survivor, this just brings me in tears, cause nobody or nothing will ever understand what we genuinely went through unless you go through it too (and God forbid).
She has a funny last name. So I think she's guilty.
Awww poor baby. He lost his entire life. I don't care if he was beating her daily. Get out of the relationship. There are less extreme actions that someone can take than killing someone. Duh.
I’m survivor of domestic violence and I completely understand her. God bless her always.
How do you determine the truth? You saw the Amber Heard vs Johnny Depp case.
Seeking for attention babe?
I escaped a 4 year abusive relationship and every time I called 911 he would manipulate the cops into believing that I was the aggressor despite the bruises and cuts all over my body. The authorities made my situation 10x worse and caused him to retaliate against me for calling for help. Finally I confided in his parents about the abuse and they supported me and helped me safetly get away from their son. I am so grateful that his parents supported me because watching these cases just shows how many parents will support their abusive children no matter what. If you are in an abusive relationship DO NOT tell them you plan on leaving… just leave silently or have support to help you get out safetly. My heart goes out to anyone dealing with this and all domestic violence survivors❤️
Exactly, LEAVE. No matter the cost, having to find a job, a house etc. LEAVE immediately.
But you had a legitimate trail. This girl going to non accountable individual to keep her story going that’s why I find it hard to believe! Surely she can slip and tell a hospital or dr office or police.
I also escaped,. It was not physical violence, but psychological indoor only. In front of people he behaved totally different, so it is hard yo prove it is happening to you. Thank God I'm safe because usually psychological violence escalates to physical abuse.
I finally just quit my career, left my apartment, and moved across the country. It was the only way I knew to survive. But I ALWAYS had photos. I would have friends take and save them if necessary because he had access to my phone. It's strange to me that she had no evidence. I'm not saying she's a liar, but it's instinct to document your injuries, not for the police, but in case you are killed.
Going to his parents was a mistake that could easily have cost you your life. I do not recommend this reckless and risky solution to anyone!!!
Until you have been in a domestic violence situation, you can not POSSIBLY understand what a person goes through. You can not judge what you cannot understand. The mental abuse is horrific, the guilt and embarrassment make you feel like a pile of bricks are on your back. The fear of retribution from the abuser locks you up so that you can not make clear decisions.
Rubbish!!! Can't they leave the abuser? Weak people everywhere
@@afeahdemefa564. My ex husband started beating and belittling me about a year into our marriage, I had been put in hospital to the point of my mother walked past me without recognising me. I left him so many times, he found me beat me again. You don't know how hard it is so don't pass judgement, instead if someone comes to your door with teeth sticking out of there cheeks, many obvious broken bones in there face, don't turn your back like my neighbours did, what because he would have shot them for helping. Eventually, with nothing exept a little money from my parents I fled to SA. Just don't come out with silly comments, I would like to see you walk a mile in a beaten, raped, and abused woman's shoes and say " they can walk away"
@@afeahdemefa564 She shot the dude. That was decidedly NOT weak. You should be a fan of hers.
@@afeahdemefa564. And I am not weak, that's just yet another insult and thoughtless comment.
My sister went through this, but she never really left him,and even followed him to the grave.
My ex-husband was emotionally, mentally and, at times, physically abusive. The outside world thought he was the nicest, most personable, fun-loving guy you'd ever meet. But that's how manipulative abusers get away with what they do...the only people to see their dark side are the ones closest to them, whom they love the most, and can control the easiest.
No, he didn’t “LOVE” you. If someone loves you, he/she doesn’t hurt you.
@@time558 - you are the problem!
@@time558why?
I agree. Not understanding all these hateful comments. 😮
Part of the "game" the abusers play has to do with making everyone else think that the abuser would "never do that". I have seen this in action 💯
My son abused his wife for 23 years. No one believed her in the justice community but I saw it for myself. My son charms people around him and only those closest to him ever saw the true him. He has convinced so many people that she abused him. He weighs 230 lbs, takes steroids, works out all the time. He loves guns and has pointed them at her several times. He is 6'2". His wife weighs 112 and is 5'4". He claims she knocks him down and strangles him. His neck is massive. He claims he covers in a corner while she abuses him. Truth is that is what he does to her. This weekend she fled town. She was told to by the unification therapist. He tells her she is in danger still. She left him 18mos ago and he divorced her. But the mental abuse continues. She was forced to leave her 12 yr old behind and run for her life. He made her take out a huge life insurance policy on herself a few years ago. And just before she ran, she was sure he was plotting her death, wanting her to go on remote hiking trips in mountains. He smoozed the court therapist into believing him and got custody of their daughter who now hates her mother and thinks she is a boy. I belive my daughter in law. I know how abusive he has been to her even though I haven't witnessed it for several years. My son cut me out of their lives because when he got full disability from the army, I had the audacity to say he should start helping pay the bills. His wife has paid for everything since they met. Everything he gets, he spends on himself. I can't believe I raised this uncaring son. My other 2 boys are nothing like him.
Long and short, this woman got a really raw deal. I believe her. The prosecutor just wanted a victory. I have very little respect for our courts, especially prosecutors who care nothing for the law and everything for their bragging rights on convictions. Shame on her
Thank God someone believes her!! Sometimes we try to raise amazing kids and they still turn out like s*** maybe he was just evil from the beginning. I bet if you think back to his childhood you'll see red flags and things that he did that would precipitate this kind of behavior.
Respect That you Open your eyes as a Parent altough its very sad and hurting. A lot of Parents are blind or even lie intentionnally when it comes to their Children. I with you all the Best (sorry I speak German my english is Not That Good).
Thank you for your story. Agree with you 100% about your take on that prosecutor.
For a minute I thought you're telling my story. I'm South African and his mother didn't believe me, I had to leave my then 2 year old with her because I had to run for my life leaving everything behind. He's a rugby player and I'm struggling to find employment and finish my auditing career path
If you are willing< Me and my family can do something about it. Only a coward abuses women and children. He isn't your son no more. You let me know and he will find himself somewhere remote too.
"She could've just left" says every person who has never been a victim of domestic violence. It is not that easy! I believe you, Nikki
В США уйти от домашнего тирана проще простого, там работают законы. Вот в Украине, да, полиция вас не защитит.
She could have just left.
Expecting a victim of domestic violence to just leave is not only misguided, as Rachel Louise Snyder correctly says, but also a gross oversimplification of the whole thing. And we have seen time and again that "just leaving" is a way to infuriate the abuser even more, and he goes after the "fugitive" to cause serious harm. Many women have been killed precisely because they "just left".
The other question to consider is, "Leave for where?" In many cases the woman has no place to go, no well-structured family with an able-bodied father and brothers interested in protectig her. Matter of fact, in many cases of abuse, the woman has no man in the family to give her support, and the abuser takes advantage of that situation.
i suggest read tn comment from Ukraine..below. such a nonsense what u wrote. going nearest police station wouldn't solve the problem. u right. jesys
and US.. u can get a gun..so easy..other part of the world..not..
Those people who are SO SURE Chris couldn't hurt someone are the reason my 8yo had to hide in a closet with a cordless phone to call for help. After I got out, my kid's lifelong best friend (bestie's mom and I have known each other since we were 15) SCOLDED my daughter for, "lying about such a good man." It has absolutely crushed my child.
My daughter is now 11yo, and refuses to allow her dad to pretend none of this happened--so now all the mental abuse he put me through he is doing to her. Lying, guilting, threatening, manipulating. But it's my daughter and I who have been entirely ostracized, and stories like this are why I didn't go to the cops even when he tried to end my life in front of our daughter.
You NEVER "know" that someone isn't an abuser. Never.
And you don't know when the woman is a liar and the abuser. Men bever tell. Women abuse men far more, whether mentally or physically.
She is guilty beyond belief. She completely set him up. I’m sick of these scummy women claiming abuse. At least she’ll go to hell.
@kimmaline
I am so so sorry what you and your daughter went through. I hope you have some peace and safety in your life.
I learned my lesson with the police. The response from them and the people I supported my whole life were more life wrecking than the crime. They'll let you die to avoid work or discomfort.
@@sab_1055 I'm so, so sorry for what you've been through. I understand, I really do. My husband has a job that keeps him very powerfully placed, the kind of job where people like bragging they know someone who does it. He also knows all the cops. The whole thing has been a joke. He makes a quarter mil a year, I have a severe neurovascular disease--I'm throwing all my stuff into storage so my daughter and I can couch surf this summer, he and the girlfriend went skiing three times this winter.
It was easily twice as bad because of the way people didn't step up and stand by me. He admitted to being an abuser 15yrs ago, got help for it. The same friends we had then have suddenly forgotten about that I guess.
I never ever thought I could end up bitter. It just wasn't my personality. Then I spent three years listening to my little girl scream, "No Daddy! Leave my Mama alone!" in her sleep. It changes you. Mama Bear is in full effect, and I'm in that deep, cold, calm rage place. Call me a liar, whatever. But a 7yo child who hid in a closet to call for help? Are you kidding?
Sending you hugs and support. I wish the world was better.
I'm disgusted that abusers get away with abuse. My husband abused me for years and threatened to take my children away from me. Most people did not believe me, because he came across so charming and likeable. I only got away 15years later, when my children were older. They confirmed the abuse before people would believe me.
U don't know what happen
She has a funny last name. So I think she's guilty.
Why did you choose to marry him then?
Why did you make kids with a violent person, making the situation 100 times worse
How did the guy on this video get away with the abuse? lol
@@rmunoz93 that's your opinion
This is a very confusing case.
What I don’t understand is why the nurses and doctors didn’t get police involved when she reported her injuries. Isn’t this the protocol?
I think they call it... "Mandatory Reporter" duty. I was wondering the same thing. 48 Hours didn't explain at all.
She is a liar
Mandatory reporting only applies to at risk adults (elderly & disabled) and children. They cannot make a report without suspicion that the children were being abused too.
@@oliviacarter8540 that's not true. Each state has their own guidlines however NATIONALLY this is the guideline all must follow and it has nothing to do with children. She claimed she was burned by her husband, she lied. This is current. 2023
The health care practitioner must know or suspect on reasonable grounds that a wound or physical injury occurred as a result of abuse from a spouse or cohabitant. Healthcare practitioners must report to law enforcement other types of injuries as well.
Health care worker here, we are not mandated to report domestic violence, we can report suspicious abuse for elderly, kids and disabled persons. People who show up with gunshot wounds or stab wounds. Others have to consent for us to call law enforcement or they can report the assault themselves.
That prosecutor is doing the opposite of what she says she wants to do. She is making women more afraid they will not be believed. Really disgusting.
She’s vile.
brother, you're describing all lawyers lol. get the evidence first or else you can forget about being believed.... ever.
She just did her job. She spents 99% of her time defending women and saving their lives, and the one case she had that was prosecuting a woman gets this type of scrutiny?
@@jacobkrauss3973 Do you know her? Just curious.
I was married to a man for 16 years, who EVERYONE loved and thought was just the best. The man he was at home, was another story. Unless you’ve lived this life, you’ll never understand.
So how'd you get out? Did you shoot him in the head?
@@joez.2794 well, he didn’t beat me. He was emotionally, financially and mentally abusive. Idk what I would have done if I feared for my life
@@keeksbee5441I believe you. Don’t ask me how I know.
completely irrelevant to this story since it was proven she made it up and murdered her husband in cold blood.
What happened???❓❓❓
The night my sister had likely had enough and told her husband she was leaving, he pulled out the gun she had hidden from him and he shot her in the chest - in front of her 16 year old daughter (my niece).
There was very little evidence of abuse.
I am sickened by this particular case because too many people stood up for Nikki and did what they could to help her.
One of the last times my sister visited me she was acting odd and had driven over an hour to come see me.
She put on a good show and seemed happy. I didn't realize she was just needing to escape the environment she was in.
She had a lot of makeup on that day but said she was on her way to work but had decided at the last minute to call out sick because she was having an anxiety attack.
Looking back, I think she was hiding.
Her husband didn't know where I lived.
She went home that day, but
within 6 months and just 4 days before Christmas, she was dead.
It only came out after her death that she had been enduring so much abuse.
I miss her every day.
Edit: I would like to add that I believe Nikki - I meant to add that SO many people stood up for her that I feel it should have made the prosecutor rethink her position.
I feel strongly that my sister would have ended up in the same boat as Nikki had she endured it for as long as Nikki did.
My sister was so embarrassed by the "situation" and truly didn't know how to get out of there.
This IS the mindset that an abuser has towards their partner.
Where would my sister have gone?
She sold her house and moved in with this man (who I should clarify was her husband, but I don't like to) and the abuse came on strong after she moved in with him. He really poured on the love in the beginning and we all thought (at first) that he was too good to be true.
Everybody thought he was such a "great guy".
Abuse does happen like this often.
Too often.
I’m very sorry for your loss 💔
I am so sorry for your loss! How awful. I certainly didn’t hear anything in Nikki’s story that doesn’t say DV.
I'm so sorry for the loss of your sister.
She should’ve left without saying a word
Why didn’t she take the money from the sale of her house and come stay with you? He didn’t know where you lived…? Sadly…in a situation like hers, I wonder if she thought she could change him and stayed because she loved him so much. I don’t blame your sister, I blame the murderer. But it does make you wonder why women put up with this.
moms who are in denial of the fact that their children can do any wrong are the ones who raise and enable abusers like this. how can anyone be so naive? JUSTICE FOR NICOLE!
She killed her husband. As far as you know, she’s the bad guy here. This whole “always believe women” thing is nonsense. Men and women are equally as dangerous, that’s reality.
Not my child! Lol
Don't blame the woman here.
@@joen8529 you probably want somebody to sit n go back and forth with u 😭 keep scrolling and trying bc it wont be me 🫶🏾
@@joen8529that statistics dont support that at all my guy.
I hate how that prosecutor kept calling her a fake victim.
I as a big and powerful man have been a victim of abuse by a woman- I absolutely believe she is the victim. Unless anyone has been the victim of an abuser there's no way to understand how manipulative the abuser can be. This woman was made a victim the second time by the system. The boyfriend was accused more than once - did he complain to anyone about the false allegations?
The difference is that this woman is lying. You all are crazy to blindly believe a murderer. She just lied in order to justify her actions.
@@scottandrews947 BS
i have never been a victom of an abuser but i understand. it really isn't rocket science
@@scottandrews947have you ever been in an abusive relationship? I would love to know.
@@scottandrews947I've been in several abusive relationships, been put in the hospital etc. She's telling the truth. Good God. He even posted videos of her on P hub. Get help.
I don’t understand why they always say she could have left. It’s not that easy. It’s very dangerous.
I can’t stand that woman prosecuter.
That’s why there restraining orders
@@r.amezquita6289 they don’t work. We all know that.
I left an abusive relationship. I was threatened and stalked. There was no way I could have gotten a restraining order. He was a very prominent member of our community. But I did leave a message on the sheriff’s personal cell phone that if something happened to me he did it. What did the sheriff do? Called him immediately and told him.
Then he said I was having some mental problems and had them put out a BOLO on me. I was stopped about 30 minutes from the state border. I was detained in handcuffs, taken to the hospital and Baker Acted.
I’ve left the state and he now has a state park named after him.
Rich and powerful can get away with a lot.
@r.amezquita6289 speaking from experience, to an abuser, a restraining order is just a piece of paper. It doesn't stop a bullet and it certainly doesn't stop the mental and emotional abuse.
This prosecutor abuses her too… She goes too far, I think she gets to the personal side.
@@r.amezquita6289 watch obessesion or stalked. Its basically 2 series dedicated to stalkers. Restraining orders are basically useless.
This is exactly why victims don’t report. This is exactly why victims are so scared to speak up. This is a huge set back in society.
She knows the situation,I wouldn't be surprised if she knew the status of the DV victims and used it as for real victims the situation that Carlee Russell did a couple of weeks ago just makes it harder for any victim to come forward she faked her own kidnapping because she was fired and stole from her employer check out the story in Alabama so many times the narcissist "victims win" and then later are found out they lied check out Leticia Staunch good example of a lying thing.
Yes and no. This is a huge setback, absolutely, but it also shines a light into the very real fact that there are women who are as bad if not worse than men about this. The double edged sword of this is that one has to admit human nature is all too often vile in the mos subtle and insidious ways.
@@Panwere36 Are there women who are "as bad if not worse" yes. Was this one of them? No. Not to mention that the vast majority of these cases are men against women. If you ask me, it's a symptom of society not allowing men to be human - no crying, no emotions... what is bound to happen is psychopathy. Doesn't excuse the dogs who do this, but it is a place to start - raising sons to understand that they can be human and feel and daughters not to be nice if someone starts showing red flags.
Advice to ALL humans: when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.
@@Madamegato, the problem here is it is still up for debate whether or not the abuse actually happened. Also, how can men "show their emotions" when we have reached a stage where feminism is so militant that men are totally disregarded as even being human?
This case only muddies the waters more, and for multiple reasons.
Listen , everyone lies, we have to go with the evidence
I cant believe the prosecutor said she could have left. I can relate to almost all of what Nikki went through.
This episode just brought me to tears! So many memories flooding back. Just wanted to mention, the most dangerous time a victim of DV, is when they leave. Saying she had access to resources, a vehicle, etc. is just BS. I was in a severe physical and sexually abusive relationship for 5 years. Always lived in apartments, but only once was law enforcement ever called. It’s not as easy to leave, as the prosecutor alludes to. In a lot of states, a victim needs to press charges. This is something I would never, and didn’t, do.The fury that would of come after he was released, would of been phenomenal. Not sure if the prosecutor gets it. By the way, my State of Oregon takes the responsibility from the victim’s, giving it to the State’s responsibility to press charges.
By the way, everyone loved my abuser. “He’s such a great guy! You are so lucky to have him!” I became an expert at hiding the abuse. Too afraid to speak the real truth. Sorry friends and family, but they don’t always show it. Why would they? They don’t want to be shown in a bad light, especially in front of their family and friends.
not sure what you're talking about... what exactly kept you from leaving? what was physically keeping you there?
@@craigime Fear.
@@gaylegoodman9097 is that really an excuse? you could have literally got up when he wasn't looking, got in your car and left. absolutely nothing was keeping you there. everybody has fear- it's not a literal physical bear trap keeping you in place
@@craigimenot understanding is ok. You're not expected to. What's not ok is invalidating people's experiences - espec traumatic ones. If you didn't mean to simply invalidate, for no good reason, and you're actually trying to understand, there's so much information about this sort of thing online. A simple google search will get you started. What Gayle said is true - the fear is paralysing, but I'd also add: the trauma bond, and the risk that people won't believe you, and he'll still have shared custody or visitation rights with your kids. So the fear of them being alone with him - abusers also know this and leverage it to force you to stay
@@lessavocadotoast5927 what exactly did i say that was wrong?
I remember we told my cousin the same thing… “just leave him”
She did and unfortunately he murdered her😔
I'm so sorry. It happened to my aunt when she tried to leave. It could have and almost happened to me more than once. I'm so happy to be free and safe now
Wow I am so sorry. I pray for peace and for liberty. I wish we lived in a world void of (sexual) violence against women and in an equal playing field.
I’m sorry 🌹
Sorry for you lost ❤
Only because she lied, covered up and protected him. Had she left, pressed charges and not gone back she may still be alive... let the truth be told because you don't know the whole story.. (she did not tell you that) she may had done something to him that you all don't know about that provoked him. Not trying to sound cold but women need to be held accountable for this nonsense.
I really hate when the victims are not believed until THEY ARE dead.. 😢
Right? And they're still dragging Chris's name thru the mud...
Indeed. Poor Chris.
@mentesinquietas9712 It is not an "excuse". They are TERRIFIED of their abuser. And, may I ask you: when is it most likely that women in abusive relationships get killed? WHEN THEY TRY TO LEAVE.
@@asbisi She doesn't look terrified to me.
Nikki is a monster!!!
To all the moms out there, no matter how much you think you know your child, you will never know your child the way an intimate partner does!! Stop saying what your child is or isn’t capable of because the reality is you have NO idea!!
This is not always true, some parents know thier child more than anyone
Also why do you expect a mother or family to not say what they know about thier child
Sons and daughters
Agreed 💯
Yes, agreed 100%
A mother is almost never going to believe her own child could be an abuser. His mom’s input means very little, imo.
People don't understand narcisstic abuse, they are nice outdoors, in home they are monsters. My ex burned me multiple times, I would be crying in pain. My heart goes out to her
Exactly! She was definitely a narcissist. She was gaslighting everyone around her about her fake abuse and Chris had no idea the whole time. She is evil
They're called covert narcassist. IMO, the most dangerous kind. People would have been surprised if they had put a secret camera or voice recorder in our house. What he showed those he wanted to impress like friends etc he was one way & away from them, totally different. He fooled most but not my lawyer who did my divorce for free & was part of the same religion &church as him.
Where's the proof he was a narcissist?? Everything is from her mouth, he's dead , and cannot say anything , I think Nicole is psycho.. she spent her time making up crap cause she's bizarre
@@Vaseholly exactly!!!!
the OP was saying he was the narcissist @@Vaseholly
18:18 She says "My son never hurt anybody. And that's the bottom line." How could she say that with all the DOCUMENTED evidence over years of abuse. So many documents from medical facilities showing the abuse against her.
Women like who are common in these cases. I personally know women who are like that with their grown sons. Who excuse and deny and justify their sons abhorrent behavior and that is the hill they choose to die on. In general, it's so common for the parents of murderers to excuse the murderer's actions, which is just something i've noticed in watching so much true crime. I always take what the parent say with an absolute grain of salt.
@@sfletch3042yep
@@sfletch3042 very few moms could ever admit their sons beat a woman.
i had a gf lie about abuse that does happen the da looks at all the texts and evidence she was not the stable one
Because the mother was/is clearly very enabling and in denial.
"My son never hurts anybody" yeah right, every parent thinks their child is smart.
Exactly
Nikki planned it. Most likely for insurance.
I'm jaw dropped by this vicious prosecutor.
I've been in the same situation for 15 years and counting and all of these comments are making me feel like I'm definitely not alone. Thank you for sharing! ❤
15 years?! I'm sorry but that's just sick to willingly stay abused. It's not impossible to leave especially with all of the resources and support for victims these days
Don’t listen to this other comment. They don’t know what they’re talking about. Stay strong, create a strong network of support of friends, family or a local non profit. Do what you can to survive. ❤ much love to you
@@MandyMermaid13 Sooo in other words exactly what I said is available lmao make it make sense child
@lonerebeI it's all in the tone. You come off as victim blaming and argumentative instead of helpful.
@@Marlaina I don't care what I "come off as" to you. Nothing I've said is false sooo
My ex husband was beloved in the community. He also beat me until I was in a coma, one of a 15 yr history of abuse. The cops were never any help to me and I have zero pics of the abuse.
Leaving was the worst part ever. Every single time I tried to do it I was punished harshly.
My ex-husband (who I was married to for 20 years) always went “above and beyond for everyone”.. except his own family! When I finally got the courage to leave, it was with the knowledge that I may die doing it. Abusers are master manipulators and are able to hide things extremely well. The abused are controlled by fear and, unless you have lived it, no one could ever understand the prison that the victim is in and why they don’t just leave.
Whatever, lol!
@@WhiteAngloSaxonyou took that personally. Why?
My daughter is going through exactly all that right now.
@@Softanddramaticbecause he/ she is probably one of those abusers that she's talking about. A guilty conscience needs no accuser.
@@SoftanddramaticHis sin betrayed him, no matter how macho he is, his conscience is more powerful and makes him flee from his own reality.
The prosecutor should be ashamed of herself. She definitely came off sounding self-righteous and all-knowing. Every time she spoke, I got more irritated with her. Her lack of DV knowledge was evident. From a survivor, shame on her.
I agree. She was so arrogant
She won and that’s her job. Go do her job if you don’t like it
@@rainaeasley7863 I'm sure I could. But I definitely wouldn't be full of myself like she is.
She isn't ignorant to abuse, at ALL. This makes her behavior even more abhorrent. Domestic abuse survivors have so few options, and everyone of them is a gamble with their own lives.
Yes but when it happens to people who are accusatory then they get it and feel regret for accusing the victim.
As the victim of DV the part that struck me the most were his supporters. The perpetrators always come accross normal and often kind. They aren't generally running around screaming that they manipulate, harm, and assault people. All of my exes friends thought I was nuts and he was a Saint. It's part of the abuse process.
Yup! Abusers deliberately act nice in front of others. It further isolates the victim.
You're biased. You can't see objectively.
That's cool
Exactly. And they’re putting some innocent, naive teenage girl as evidence that he’s “safe”? SMH.
My ex girlfriend used to beat me, but act innocent around family and friends. 👊🩸
The medical records says it all 🤷🏻♀️ This case just shows that people don't understand domestic violence.
Perhaps. Do the medical records prove who did the violence ?
@@bobgillis1137 no. my query is why didn't she try and cover up her wounds like any other DV victim when she was at her friends wedding? Seems a bit sus to me.
some of the medical evidence was not submitted as part of the court case though. The Midwife report was not allowed. Harder for the jury to choose in her favour if the evidence points more towards her as the instigator, whether that's true or not.
They also do not understand the power an abuser has over the victim's mind and choices... a form of brainwashing.
@@LeeAnnahsCreations I'm sure they do, however, victims would want to cover up their scars and wounds, but she didn't. that is very sus. Also, unfortunately, these days, there are a lot of women who do lie about domestic abuse. I myself have known someone who has, so there's good reason to be sceptical.
“She could just leave” is a punch on my own stomach, I know I couldn’t “just leave”. That is disgusting.
Why couldn't you?
right?! as if she could leave, she would lose her kids, her house, her reputation. it's not so easy to leave. esp if he was stopping her.
the i was beaten excuse has been played to much by females , they lie a lot, its a big problem
@garethconey9603 you realize most women who are killed in domestic violence, are killed right after leaving?
No, you don't. Don't speak to things you know nothing about. Stop blaming women for the bad behavior of men.
@@anonymoose116 except she made it up and couldnt keep the story straight who raped her and abused her,
It’s always the great guy when he’s around others, but in private when they’re drinking, they change to completely different people 😢
My husband become a terrible monster after drinking alcohol he throws off his outburst in the most unstable way. He lashes out and bullies me and belittles me continuously
This feels a lot like a “I’d rather believe a liar than an abuser” situation. Sending my support to anybody experiencing DV in the comments 💜
My life has been a nightmare since I was 19 due to domestic violence and the police sided with abusers 7/10 times PERIOD. And they know it
@@MoW-n4h I’m sorry to hear that, I hope things will get better for you. And I couldn’t agree more
@@clarissa2972 thank you. No one understands when children are involved how hard it is.
@@MoW-n4hYou stay strong and make an exit plan to the best of your ability, you can do it! Do whatever you have to do to protect yourself in your children and get away from the abusive pos safely and quietly. Don't let him know you're leaving. It took me years but I finally did it. I can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel and my kids and I are happier than we've ever been. I wish safety and peace and health and happiness for all abuse victims and their children❤
@@MoW-n4h Are you scared he'll harm your kids? That happens a lot. Jesus is coming back. Believe He died for your sins and rose again then repent to be saved.
As a DV survivor I completely believe her nobody ever believed me until I was granted a restraining order it wasn’t easy it’s very hard to get away from a situation like this and to prove that what your saying is true. Everyone thought he was the nicest person ever when in reality he was a monster.
You're biased. You can't see objectively.
I don't believe her and I'm a survivor as well
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If she could have multiple affairs , it is hard to believe that she couldnt leave because of fear. Then there is muzzle print on entry wound to skull,exactly as google searches were found,about shooting someone asleep in head,medulla . Self defence shot can be to leg abdomen and then she can leave. No doubt chris may ve been abuser, but she wasnt afraid to hook up with a cop .
As a victim myself, the people and prosecutors saying what they said, is ALL the more reason why we DON'T report it or come forward. Why should we when the abuser gets vindication and we lose our lives or go to jail?!?!?!? Y'all are making it harder for people like us to ever want to come forward or get help. You don't know how hard it is, until you live it. And, I'm a firm believer in, they need to experience it, before they get any kind of say about it. Just because someone is good in most areas of public perception, doesn't mean they're the same way behind closed doors.
Two words Amber Heard.
Trust the authorities and you’re dead.
Blame it on the women who lie. That’s why DV victims can’t come forward. Nobody takes anyone seriously because of all the false allegations women have made over the years.
Yes. Liars and fake victims make it hard for real ones to come forward.
How would you bite your own back?
People say she had her kids do it.. ridiculous
Impossible to say WHICH ABUSERS did that - if you watch the video she was supposedly the victim of OTHER abusers, of which I believe Chris Grover was NOT one....
Also bite evidence is very controversial and generally not reliable.
If they say there are real victims out there that needs help, why isn’t she one of them? Do you really need to be in a morgue to be believed?? This is insane, and as a survivor myself that was never believed by the system, I’m angry and sick to my stomach
Well it really messes up peoples' perception of who the victim is when the "victim" blows her husband's brains out
Chris is in the morgue. Nobody believes him? Except the jurors, and a handful of other people still capable of critical thought...
I bet you got smack or snatched up in front of someone! How did she grab the gun from him!
They always say there's help out there, trust me, there is no help. If you can't get out, you're out of luck.
Your small brain can't comprehend that a victim can snap and realize that it's either them or the abuser who will survive? That the abuse builds up until they can't handle it anymore??? Try to open your mind.
Wow! Just because u dont see a person being mean does not make you certain of how he is at home..
My dad was seemed like the perfect father by most of my moms family. To even tell her to go back with him once she finally left him…
It was my sisters and i who finally convinced her of leaving our father.
The stuff we saw and went through.
i'm sorry, you're not alone. this is why we should believe victims.
many women lie this is the big problem
No one but those that live with you will know what you go through at home. We have a saying in Spanish that says “caras vemos corazones no sabemos” which means “we see faces not hearts”
True that.
Exactly! In general: Parents, friends and others have absolutely no idea how someone close to them handles romantic relationships. How could they? They haven't experienced his or her explosive, jealous rage and coercive control, because he or she has no need to control them. People have no idea about what goes on behind closed doors.
This is tragic. Shame on this prosecutor and his judge.
Is this a joke?! I don’t believe she shouldn’t be held accountable for manslaughter BUT to say she lied about being abused on top of sending her to jail for 20 years to life?!?! Wow smh.
She got released this year. ♥️
I think she did lie. No abused wife provokes like that. She got out I read? Shows you you can get away with it
@@robbertkoppenol4517 if you were never an abused wife I don’t think you can say how an abused wife thinks or acts…
@ChelsiB. Well she wasn't afraid anyway for another beating. Which never happened I suspect. Just believe her on her word is also not the wayl is it? There are enough cases around where it was more clear it all having been all faked.
@@ChelsiB.well I have rights to speak. I was abused by my ex. Mentally. Physically. Emotionally sexually. .
We have no proof if she made this up or not… where’s the texts then of her saying he abused her then. Also why did she tell someone “he’s not dead yet” …
I understand the point that you might get lashing out. And yes if she was actually abused she would be scared leaving. I understand that all
But also maybe she was the one with the personality disorder and did make it up. It is quite possible she was suffering from a personality disorder that kicked in around 16-18 right before she met him. Also her sexual history with the cop shows extreme instability.
What I’m saying is you can’t automatically say she was being abused.
People know I was abused. How? I would call my family weekly and tell them I was living I hell. That I thought I would be stabbed in my sleep. That I was in an extremely toxic relationship ( most embarrassing thing I said to my ex wife ).
I don’t see the evidence of her actually reaching out. It’s her codependent friend trying to “over help her” and giving her the pity card is what I see. . And I see a woman with Personality disorder
This mother of the abuser is delusional. She actually believes she knew her son better than his partner. No way! Only a person intimate with an abuser knows what they are capable of doing. Abuser's often have a reputation for being the nicest, most kind, funny, wonderful person alive. But that's the face they show to the outside world. The ugly, violent face is the one the victim knows.
No the people defending with Nicole are delusional.
@@jwil2414 - whatever the truth of the matter is with regard to blame in this particular case the original poster is right in so far as the adult you are in an intimate relationship with is not the same adult that a mother, or father, knows, and knew from birth.
When kids hit their teens they generally start to keep parts of their life separate from their parents. Additionally their parents, not unnaturally, tend to have a biased and positive view of them. Many parents can't be objective about their kids through ignorance of who they become as adults and the bias natural to those who brought them up from innocent new borns to young adults.
Many, if not most mothers of abusers were also abused. I know someone that married an abuser and confront his mother who said, "that is just the cross you have to bare just like I have been doing married to his father". How do you think an abuser learns that behavior?
@@jwil2414the evidence shows otherwise. It was very documented and some of those injuries she could not inflict on herself. The appellate court agreed. He was a violent abuser and got exactly what he deserved kinda. His mother is beyond delusional.
@@outofcompliance1639I can disprove this theory. My oldest son beat the crap out of his ex, and he grew up in a 100% abusive free home!
Also, I grew up in a non abusive household.
Everyone in my family, family friends, and even my sister's and brother in law 's friends thought my brother in law was the most wonderful person around. We were all wrong. We didn't realize what my sister was going through. Until she left him. The real person came out. He lashed out at everyone in the most horrible way.
Tell your sister distance herself. These abusers are crazy and scary.
What did he do???❓❓❓
From my own experience of DV abuse, I can say the only people who knew of what went on in the marital home was our children and my close friends. Everyone else saw a lovely guy who was wonderful. Our boys used to call his persona in the outside world "Wonder Greg" but obviously only amongst us 3
Agreed - it's preposterous hearing randoms who were coached by him or work colleagues say that he's innocent and couldn't possibly have done anything wrong.
And if the prosecution's case is at least in part based on the proposition that she could have left at any time then, knowing what the reality is when women leave abusive relationships, its utterly fraudulent and simplistic.
Same here, my ex was the life of the party, charming handsome, funny intelligent but when he snapped he was gone. Almost killed multiple times. Had to leave early in the morning and spend 5 months in a dv shelter. Some people saw it others were blinded by his shining charm and gift of manipulation and word play. I believe her and she had enough took her chance and ran.
Took me 8 years to leave.
@@simonw1313the case is based on the evidence that she is a manipulating cheater who only cares about her own image. She’s a cold blooded murderer and deserves to rot in jail for the rest of her days
@@johnpierce1470 - there seemed to be at least reasonable doubt that that was the case. And - to repeat - asserting that she could have left at any time, as the judge and prosecutor did, is simplistic nonsense that betrays real ignorance about how domestic violence plays out in the real world.
For the Prosecutor to say "she created all this.." UTTER STUPIDITY 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
I actually can't believe this woman wasn't believed 💔 I was a victim of abuse and I can't even begin to tell you how terrified I was to leave. People have no idea how emotional and mental abuse disables you. My mother in law said I was a liar too! Everyone found my ex husband to be charming and friendly and the abuse always escalates after a baby has arrived because once you have their child they have more of a hold over you and now the system is depriving her children of their mother. This is a heart breaking story 💔
She was cheating with a married man. 👎
She accused nearly every man she was physical with of R so, and he had no one from the past accuse him, he didn't do the horizontal dance until a year later ???
My step father was an abusive monster at home and out in the world everyone loved him and his students thought he was the best teacher ever.
y did mom marry him?!
I feel you on this. Same with my dad. Sickening, isn't it? God bless you friend.❤
My father physically and mentally abused me for years. I’ve always wanted to leave. There were even times when I already packed my things and prepared to leave our house. But every single time the fear of getting caught and found by my parents and experience even more abuse always kept me to stay. The fear that the abuser inflicts on their victims is so traumatizing that they inflict mental fear even if they’re not around. You get so scared you can’t even move. I couldn’t tell anyone because one, I was scared no one would believe because my parents have always given me everything a child could need and more. 2nd, I had trust issues because of how he made me feel. I couldn’t find it in my heart to tell anyone about such a tragic and dark secret in my life, especially since my father has always been a saint towards others. I thought, no one will definitely believe me. And 3rd, stupid as it may sound, but I loved my father and mother even after all that abuse that I still thought about not inflicting shame on them if I exposed my father’s abusive behavior. But when I finally realized either I die by his hands or try my might to escape even if he kills me, that’s when I finally had the courage to choose my life and try by telling a relative and other people close to me. Out of 4 people I told, only 2 of them believed and offered to help me. If they hadn’t, I would still be living in that nightmare. Not even sure if I’m still alive typing today or lying in my grave by the hands of my father, the truth covered and stories against me made up by my parents. So for people like this prosecutor, I only pray that you find it in your hearts to listen and believe and not judge, especially if you’ve never experienced abuse before in your life, because a single word more so a decision like this, could either lose a life or save it.
And to anyone reading this currently experiencing abuse from anyone close to you..I pray that you find it in your heart to muster up courage and to finally choose yourself. Before it all ends the other way… God bless you.
May the Lord bless you and heal you in mind and body.
People belittling her and calling her a liar while praising the abuser made my blood boil so much I couldn't watch the program till the end. Absolutely disgusting!
Same here.
All you have to do is to take a look at the footage of Gabby Petitos entanglement with the cops to see that victims become really skilled at hiding any evidence of DV (to the point of blaming themselves to justify it). And then take another look at Brian's (her abuser) interaction with those same cops, to see just how easy and effortlessly he was able to explain the whole incident away, to the point where cops were joking with him and making light of the situation. And, she didnt even have any physical evidence or a history of evidence on her, at all, in her case.
what does that have to do with this?
@@craigime it has everything to do with just how convincing a person can be to outsmart even cops trained to look for signs of DV, but especially the friends and family of those around them. They are extremely convincing. It also proves that she was right in her assumption that she won't be believed, even with the history of burns and bruising she had as evidence to back it all up.
@@kdfree91this is assuming the abused has no one to confide to.
The woman here clearly had many friends and begrudgingly confided to one. At some point you have to be an adult and tell someone who will listen.
The ones who are truly in peril are kids that have abusers as parents. They literally have nowhere else to go and will lie in order to not be put in the system.
Well she was not that innocent either!
She obviously pushed him so much with her behavior that eventually he snapped! I am not taking his side but she acted like mentally not stable and she could easily left when the cops separated them .she decided to pick him up and continue the journey with him. So it was toxic from both sides
@@craigimeit shows the inherent bias and general lack of education among law enforcement and the justice system as a whole when it comes to domestic violence and abuse.
This story is very disturbing. I have a lot of family members who have experienced Domestic Violence from their partners and have experienced awful trauma. The reports of the abuse she received was familiar to the abuse my relatives went through. Plus, listening to the Prosecutor was disgusting. She has no idea and her inability to understand those who have experienced DV is treacherous. The statement of Nikki just leaving, that is not how it works, there is so much more than just saying you are going to leave. Ugh, this episode make me sick. One of my aunts tried to "just leave", but she was killed by just trying to leave. Her evil husband is in prison. Its a lot easier said than done, and those who believe its simple... they are truly clueless. Also, her evil husband was the nicest person to those around him, he wanted to become a pillar in his community, but to my aunt, his kids, and a few of my relatives, he was rancid and absolutely evil.
The "man" who financially, sexually & emotionally abused me for 4 years was charming and popular when we weren't alone. They didnt see me try to jump out of a 2 storey window to escape him, or him trying to run me over. Some saw him headlock me in a car and drive off with me threatening to leave me in the mountains but are too afraid to ever speak of it.
Thanks for not shooting him in the head, I guess?
@@joez.2794🤣🤣🤣
NEVER LET YOUR KIDS HAVE SLEEP OVERS. My father never allowed it. He protected us, always. He would say, I don’t know who goes in and out of that house. Gracias Papi, rest in peace ❤️
May your father rest in peace 🤍 My dad doesn’t allow us to have sleepovers either. Both my parents agree it is dangerous.
Facts
My mother used to take me and my brother out to my grandmother’s house to sleep over with a cousin who turned out to be one of the most sadistic pedophiles in the state. She wouldn’t let me play football on the school team but she let me spend nights with the devil. I still have PTSD from it.
@@joeking433 I’m sorry that happened to you and your sibling.
This was a hard one...my sister was a sociopath. People thought she was amazing, but the family knew better. Her husband was the abused one. He was a cop and a foot taller than her. She had claimed rape, never filed charges since it was her husband's supervisor, but it was an extramarital affair. But if you didn't know her, you would believe her.
Plays both ways. But if we ask your sister, I believe she would call you crazy too, right?
@@WILMA_well yeah, that's what crazy people say about others
@@WILMA_- What an odd thing to say.
@@RachelRichardsThat's her sister. Lol
I'm surprised that you're pouring dirt on your sister, it rarely happens, especially coming from a family member, maybe you've got special feelings to your in law, GOK, 😮😢
How could the prosecutor lady say that she could have left at any time when she has represented rape and abuse victims? That's like the first thing you learn is that abuse victims often feel trapped. Geez. There's something wrong with this lady.
Because we live in a “win at all costs” culture
Because the CONTEXT is the execution of a sleeping human being, genius. Leave... or shoot him in the head? Leave... or shoot him in the head? Gee, it's SO hard to choose (if you're a sociopath).
many women leave and they get killed later by the abuser---the CONTEXT is not that night, it is a whole abusive relation @@joez.2794
The prosecutor was nauseating. Blind to the truth. Chris was a horrible abuser. The mother had the wool pulled over her eyes too 🙄 almost unwatchable.
Because you CAN leave. You don't have to stay there and take abuse. It's hard but lots of things in life are hard and we still do them
This is a weird case where it feels like everyone is lying. I can't even tell. I'd have to look at all of the evidence, not just the little bits presented here. Her side sounds exaggerated at least, while the mother of the victim claiming her son "never hurt anyone in his lie" doesn't sound likely for a man who has problems with his temper. He would've at least got in fights as a kid or teen. When both sides aren't credible I really need the whole of the evidence to make a decision.
I agree but I also believe with the evidence we can maybe say it is a multi factorial case where abusive relationships (maybe from both parts but specially from him to her) make her get in a state of mind where there was not other ending on her mind, it is a typical reaction of the human being when being abused at high levels of stress.
I agree this is tough
Agree! I want to believe her but there is no actual evidence to prove her claim. The evidence she presents can easily been done by someone else. That report that names Chris made me doubt, but then again, was his dna taken to prove it was him? No. That is where the case fails and if she was a victim, then they failed her by not taking his dna to prove her claims. A lot of women out there are manipulated and lie because they know they are more likely to be believed.
Exactly, it's not impossible for women to lie or enhance their defense
I agree, I can’t tell who is lying either and I’m a victim of DV. Something about her stories..I would never have had the balls to send texts messages that would trigger my ex to do something to me (considering her claim that she was scared for her life…that part didn’t make sense). I hid my bruises and did not display them like she did in all her photos. It was as if she was trying to be obvious about it. I also never sought for help until I was finally ready to leave. If she was brave enough to go to the hospital to report him multiple times, what was stopping her from leaving? It’s very confusing to say the least.. .
She’s FREE!!!!!! Thank God. The “believe her” podcast did an amazing job of depicting the story and the horrible abuse Nikki endured. So glad she is free.
So pleased to hear they reduced her sentence. Nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors. Nobody, including family. Wishing Nicole and her babies all the best.
They actually just released her I think in January of this year.
What about the real victim who was shot dead in his sleep. U don't wish him anything?!
@@BigStarworldheavenhe got what i wish for him ❤
She was released 1/4/24 on parole.
This episode was wild. I was shocked to see so many people say, "He would never do this." anyone is capable of horrible things. I'd be curious to see more evidence, text logs, and search histories...
thank you for sharing that. i hope she is able to reconnect with her children and build her life back up.
Then evil won
Then justice won.
@@wa2k99 not evil, justice
She could have reported it right after it happened. That’s when abusers are held accountable.
I was raised in a DV family. My Father did many heinous things to my Mother, and siblings. Fortunately, my Mother was a strong willed person and my Father left. It's not an easy or safe decision to flee from the abuser. My heart breaks for the two little ones. I hope they'll grow up in a safe environment.
I'm sure the father is much happier now, or at least not as angry being around the family.
hi, i'm currently in a similar sitch where my dad is a narcissist and my mom is divorcing him after like 30 yrs of marriage. she's so strong through it and i'm very proud of her. but god sakes things suck right now.
@@rawfoodphilosophy7061wtf
"Strong willed" women are trapped in DV relationshipd all the time! People don't will themself out of a violent relationship anymore than they would will theirselves into a violent relationship.
@@jesss101 It is so great that you are being so supportive for your mom.
1st time ive heard this story, i vote NOT GUILTY.
When they refused her a lower sentence, I KNEW, the judge and the prosecutor were colleagues.
Shameful!
Yep.
Hello fellow Tuesday morning 48 Hours folks!
My mom-decades ago-called these people “street angels and house devils”
Lmfao
The prosecutor seemed determined NOT to seek Justice! There was more than reasonable doubt! She should have been acquitted!
I can’t believe how much his mom is in denial after all the evidence of abuse!
…the evidence used to convict the killer?
33:00 that part about the curling iron doesn’t making sense, saying her hair was curled in the photo….she had it done in the salon, you might burn yourself but a hair dresser doesn’t burn you, just ask for hair dresser, she’d be able to sue the hairdresser if it happened in store.
It also would've been very easy to corroborate by just asking the hairdresser if she had accidentally burned her client or if she noticed that an injury was already there.
@@parissinclair6513 exactly!
Only the worst hairdresser in the world would burn your breast while curling your hair! That argument made no sense!
This whole case (OR THE SHOW) was sloppily executed. The women in the juror boxes were probably persons "IDENTIFIED" as women 🤦♀
Was she in her regular when she got her hair done or her outfit for the wedding?
The justice system failed her! What a tragedy! The end where the supporters were gathered and singing with their hands up and seeing her standing in the window…man, that broke my heart!!
This is really sad. I personally know what its like to live with someone abusive that looks like a decent person to the outside world. Manipulation is a huge part of being abusive. Most if not all abusive people put on a persona to cover up the pain they are inflicting on their victims, masking the truth to the outside world. Its deceptive for jurors not to see all of the evidence, which can heavily influence their judgment. My heart goes out to this beautiful young mother but I'm glad she received a reduced sentence. I hope she can be released early and start life over. This judgment was completely unjust in my eyes. The legal system completely failed her. 🙏🏾💜🙏🏾
i know what its like living with a woman that made up lies and was sneaky and cheating .
So you think she should have got away Scot free for murdering someone in their sleep??
@@Naturefan354Yes that is what a lot of these women think. They rather unalive someone than to just leave
These types of men are narcissists. I pray she gets justice.
Yeah. My ex was a "pilar of the community" and "loved by all" and nearly unalived me and our children more than once.
His mom would say she knew him best, and her golden boy would never do that.
But he did. For years. So there's that. There are so many women in prison for defending themselves and/or their children in DV situations.
How many abusers smack their own mothers around? That's not a common occurrence.
watch the whole video before embarrassing yourself, she murdered him in cold blood and she was the one who was abusive to him.
As so many DV survivors already wrote, you truly don't understand what it looks like on the inside of a person who suffered such violence. I was completely broken down, day by day, little by little until I couldn't recognize myself anymore. If it were physical I would've been just one giant swollen bruise but it was "only" emotional and mental. Sometimes when I think about it, the gaslighting, the threats of self-harm, the police calls...it looks so surreal now yet I know that if he didn't move away to another continent be with his ailing father I could've easily ended up dead by his hands. Later I tried to do it to myself and luckily survived. I'm so sorry she wasn't believed.
I am so sorry. I understand your pain. So happy that you're safe now. Praying for your recovery. I know it takes a long time to emotionally recover.
If you're convinced nobody on earth understands something about you, then it's ON YOU to do whatever it takes to make sure you're never in a position to be judged by a jury of your peers for it. While this might sound impossible, it's anything but. Don't kiII sleeping people. That's it.
A travesty of justice. With all the evidence of abuse, medical, photos of the damage done to her genital area, burns, bruises, etc. in front of that judge and the prosecutor? I fully believe Nicole. I was shot by a jealous bf 7 times, one passing through the pericardium and others missing vital areas by millimeters. I was not a victim of abuse as I have a strong character but, when he started controlling behaviour and showing extreme jealoousy, I told him to leave. Et voilà! I'm still here 42 years later. My heart goes out to Nicky.
And does all that evidence prove HE actually did it?? No it proves someone did it. She could have pulled a Sherri Papini for all u know
i believe her. This is terrible. The abuser's mother raised a monster. The worst people behind doors are "wonderful" in public.
Yeah and you're not biased at all. The woman is always telling the truth and the man is always lying
This is true!
you cute, pretty penguin 😘
Those medical examination records should have been presented in court. The one description of her anatomy appearing to be turning inside out was the greatest proof that probably would have set her free.
This episode made me feel sick! Anyone who knows anything at all about DV knows that ab*sers are master manipulators, and excellent at making themselves seem like the good guy. The prosecutor is absolutely EVERYTHING that is wrong with how our society sees, and treats victims. I hope this young mother is able to appeal this verdict. My heart goes out to her and her children🙏🏻
She was the master manipulator. That’s why she’s in jail.
@magnolia31611 100% agree. Dude was burning her, biting her, obviously abusing her and it was documented 5+ times and they can't use any of that info at trial? Like what?
And that prosecutor pretending like nothing happened... ???
@@sacroyalty nope. She was the con artist who made up the stories and used self infliction other wounds. Absolutely no question about it she had inconsistent stories, talked about getting raped by handyman, but then later changed it, and said she had sex with a boyfriend when she was questioned further. I feel great affection for this poor girl in that she was sexually assaulted when she was young. But later, she apparently decided to be a victim, the rest of her life. And started manufacturing it. I’ve read a lot of stories of women that have done this. I’ll assume men as well. She said that she told medical workers during all of these times she went in that her husband was doing these incredibly horrendous things to her. They didn’t believe her period Sorry, I know people in that business. He would’ve been arrested after the first one let alone after the 30th story she had about what he was doing to her. Putting a gun in her and raping her with it. She Didn’t know how to be moderate with the lies. She went so overboard.
Judge knows 10x more than we do about details of the case. And he did not side with her
I agree@@ronthompson95
I never believe moms advocating for their offsprings. I go by their ex wives and girlfriends and criminal records😁
The whole time I was wondering what his Ex’s have to say. I hate to not believe her, but it is highly suspect that she’s made these claims about virtually every man she has ever met including the maintenance guy. If it was just him and another BF or something that would be one thing but she’s claimed this about 5 or 6 different men. Is every man in Poughkeepsie an abuser? She starts to seem like the boy who cried wolf at this point. The internet searches seemed pretty sketchy too.
A profile of an abuser and his victim.
Prosecutor Krause needs serious education in domestic violence, domestic abuse. She is criminally ignorant.
The system FAILED AGAIN.
Why are these "mother's" always so hellbent on the fact that their precious child may be a monster? Do they ever consider that he may have been abusive?
Well, if that's the type of man that she raised, there's clearly going to be something deeply wrong with her as well.
They enable narcissistic behavior. Typical.
These are the same women who raised the men that grow up to do these things. They coddle their sons, treat them like the victim, never teach them boundaries or empathy for how their actions affect others.
Gotta look away from Chris’s mother. WTF.
Loved how his mom was defending him as she knew what he was doing 24 /7. John Wayne gacey was "nice" to people. But he had over 40 dead bodies in his crawl space
40 dead bodies. Did I read that right.? Haven't gotten to that spot in the video.
@@Monalisa0622they are talking about the killer John Wayne Gacey. He was American serial killer and sex offender who raped, tortured, and murdered at least 33 young men and boys in Norwood Park Township, near Chicago, Illinois. He became known as the Killer Clown due to his public performances as a clown prior to the discovery of his crimes.
An everyone loved this dude basically, when he was arrested people were shell shocked.
Like no way the mf clown did it? Wow.
An his killing years were very short from 1967-1978
@@Monalisa0622they are saying John Wayne Gary had over forty dead bodies in his basement, not Chris from this video. They are just saying people who hurt others aren’t always obvious to those not entwined in their every day life.
@@Monalisa0622 - reread her comment.
john gacy had 29 bodies in his crawl space🤦♂
Any woman that has been involved in domestic violence knows you can't just walk away especially when you have children .
You absolutely can, but it takes planning.
Yes you can! I did, but you have to have a plan, start planning… NOW
No, no, on the contrary, especially if you have kids, you leave.
@@andreea81 it's not that easy
@@lisamclane8184it sure is. You have to just think of the child
My mother was abusive to us our whole childhood and in public she would portray her kids as horrible, unthankful brats. Meanwhile we were so scared of her, humble and so very shy because we had zero self confidence. My mother would tell us for years that we are nothing, we are useless, ugly stupid kids and we will never do anything useful with our life. Growing up as a child I didn’t know that there are families with loving parents until I saw how my cousins and friends were treated. They were treated with love, kindness and respect. I am writing this because no one believed us (kids). 😢no one protected us from the evil person who suppose to love, protect and nurture. It was so painful when the outside world blamed the kids, saying why aren’t you listening to your mom. I was able to get away from the abuser as an adult. She had no more control over me. She got mad one day and said to me that I am no longer her child. I cut all ties with her!!! Don’t let people tell you. Oh! But it’s your mom, you only have one mom. No, she is a bully and an abuser. Get away from these people as soon as you can and as far as possible.
I am so sorry you had to go through all that with your mom 😢 no child deserves that kind of treatment! Especially by your own mother! I get it tho, my mom wasn’t a very good mom either and I cut ties…
I hope you’ve healed or are on your healing journey!! ❤ You got this!!
Amen
When the prosecutor says it is unpopular to accuse women claiming DV of lying... Except in court, every single time. It is scary now little people know or understand about this.
What a travesty to endure all that horror, then be denied the joy of raising your own children. Heartbreaking.
"Denied the _joy?"_ I want some of what _you're_ smoking, lol. She denied the LIFE of her own children's father... while he slept on the couch!
That message about killing him and get away with it says it all
I guess you missed the part where she put a gun to his head while sleeping and emptied his brains
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@@andrewstadterman329didn’t they say it wasn’t possible to prove?
This case is so crazy & just makes me so grateful to God I made the decision to leave my marriage when I did. The day I left, I got a uhaul truck while he was at work & neighbors were surprised to see I was leaving because in their eyes we were happy newlyweds. One of my sisters was really good at noticing bruises I tried to cover up but I would lie about how I got them because I felt ashamed my marriage was failing so early on. In my mother in law’s eyes, her son was an “angel”, but people don’t know what happens in a marriage & behind closed doors. The pornography story in this case hit close to home for me- same thing in my relationship. So much his mom could have never imagined… I knew if I didn’t leave when I did, one of would end up 6ft under, me as his victim or him as a consequence of me defending myself. When in a toxic relationship it’s best to just LEAVE.
What about her kids?!?
You are so right. An abuser can be wonderful to everybody else, but abusive at home....its easier to hide the abuse that way.
As a survivor of domestic abuse, this is so very scary. I was able to love myself enough & gather enough strength to leave, but what if this was me, being locked up for a very long time for getting out the only way possible in the situation. I BELIEVE you Nicole, & I pray you someday are free & have peace. Thank God Matt & I did not have children, for they are the ones who are suffering the most, traumatized in unimaginable ways, having to grow up without both parents. It has been a little over 5 years since I escaped, & I am still single & healing such deep wounds of rape & abuse by the man I loved so dearly. Matt, on the other hand, died November 29th 2021 of a fentanyl overdose ( he was clean when we met, but already an addict for years & relapsed in the 4th year of our 6yrs together), & now can never hurt another again. ✌️💖🤗
Do you want to know what’s even more scary? That man and those babies in that house with a mentally ill Nicole. I do not discount what you have been through.. what you went through and the investigation of what this woman did are 2 very different things.
@@JK-fz8zh - you’re full of BS. She acted in self defense. It is people like you that make DV victims not to have the courage to speak up! Shame on you!
@@WILMA_ Your opinion unfortunately does not overturn the verdict and investigation of this case.
@@JK-fz8zhThere was sufficient documentation of his abuse to her.
@@JK-fz8zhHowever, it overturned her original sentence, which was reduced 27 and a half years based on the fact that she had evidence of domestic violence at his hands. Unfortunately, your judgment of her based on a subject you clearly don't understand doesn't change that.👍
How does the reported evidence of physical abuse get completely disregarded!!!! Chris Grover’s female attorney disgusts me.
I lived through severe emotional abuse that got to the verge of physical. And I still live with complex ptsd! I was terrified to leave. It took multiple times with family help to get out. And then was harassed and was near impossible to co-parent. It’s still insane. My kids now see the light and how he is. My daughter has cut her dad out of her life bc she sees his manipulation and gaslighting and complete inability on his end to address his many mental health and self medicating issues. It breaks my heart for my kids.
The justice system needs to get re-educated on the deep psychological ride that happens and why it is never , just leave… the system is so broken! But I’m glad her sentenced was reduced.
It's actually very common for DV perpetrators to have an immaculate image outside their homes. "oh, he can't hurt a fly... he's really kind and giving...etc " that is their facade, the main purpose is to isolate their victims and paint their victims as crazy or the one who's abusive.
Absolutely!