Aww man... i wanna wave or honk to an evo or other sti 😔 sadly most evo here is sold for almost like 60-67k usd. I drive a '13 wrx sti hatchback btw 🤘🏾😬
I legit wave and look at Evo owners when I drive my WRX, and I always get a nod or a pull by them to hear their exhaust or something. I legit never experienced the hate ever.
Nicholas I always wave at subies haha, I’ve never not once not waved back lol, we always wave at each other, I’ve literally had some pull up to wherever I end up going and telling me “your evo x is clean” and then we end up becoming friends haha subie to evo love is real
@@jimmer411 Well you're coworker is a nitwit then. Maybe if he didn't Ricky race the shit out of it then he would have a different outlook. The only engines that have head gasket failure as a result of a factory defect are the ej251, ej252 and the ej253. The single overhead cam has internal head gasket leaks, and the dual over head cam has external leaks.
ummm, Golf R, Focus RS, Civic Type R, Veloster N?..... competition is tighter than ever and to be honest with you as a Subaru owner myself I don't think we are winning. I think the only reason people buy a Subaru now is because we have one of the best import communities.
@@n8rey The Civics actually do really well in the snow. I sold my WRX a couple of years ago and switched to a newer Civic Si, with the limited slip dif both tires bite right down allow you to go. While it's not as nice as my old WRX in the snow it wins in every other department except for sound.
I agree. I’ve owned 2 wrxs and currently drive an sti. I see and wave to other subies all the time, but I hardly ever see evos, and when I do, it’s like spotting an exotic car cause I maybe only see a few of them a year out in the wild. Only at car shows or events do I see a decent amount of them. Just out on the street, I never see them, and when I do, I’m never in my subie to give them a wave ☹️
@@18dyl if production ended when the evo did, Subaru pretty much wouldn’t have the 2015-2021 model, which is indeed the most common, but I still see wrxs/stis from 2002 to 2014 more often than all evos, especially the 2004 sti I see every single day while I’m driving it 😂
He said that the Evo died a hero while the STI is still alive but getting fatter day by day. *You either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain* P.S.: I just wanted to say this line, not taking any sides lol....evo or subaru.
ummmmm the Evo weighs more than the STI!!!! HAHAHA bigger doesn't mean heavier. With newer production technologies cars can be made bigger, lighter and stiffer. This is a plus in the Subarus favor. Sorry EVO guys, you actually have the fat car.
@@jermainejackson2870 I guess everyone is different, see for me I owned a gsr and now 06 STI. I’d pick the STI over the Evo In my experience owning both : Evo is cheaper to get more hp out of the engine 4g63 is a strong engine, but spend $$$ on the transmission/drivetrain if ur looking for big hp Where’s the STI it’s opposite, drivetrain/transmission is almost bulletproof but have to spend $$ on the Engine (EJ25) for being weak for it to hold high hp reliable It’s really just pick ur poison. But end of the day they are both awesome cars to drive!
@@daturbo4life711 import a Spec C EJ20 STI, and all your problems are solved. This is the platform to build a very good Subaru on, and it smokes EVOs (JDM STI's have been smoking EVOs for decades). And the prices of them are actually very reasonable these days too. You get the best of both worlds, the chassis is better than standard STI (much better than EVO chassis also), the drivetrain still almost bulletproof (like you said on the normal STI), but now the motor is almost bulletproof too.
@@Jez4prez1 The Ej207 is such a great engine. Legit smokes Evos, stock for stock. And yes I’m terms of Engine for my car. I’ve gone one better on my STI, got a forged Closed deck short block. (EJ257) Upgraded Turbo, have no issues with it whatsoever, and no problems smoking my friends Evos 😉
Accurate about 350 being the upper limit of the EJ engines.. 450 for the Evo engines? Bitch please. There are many many many people driving around with 500-600AWHP on the 4G and 4B platform daily driving. The bias is very real
@@Duraputer The FA20 could barely be accused of creating bias, nothing to really write home about... It's the chassis and its balance that allows for great fun :)
Going fast in slow cars is way better than going fast in fast cars. Repairs, parts, insurance. Wreck a Yaris on the track, no cares. Wreck an Evo on the track and that’s a bad day.... check out how many car journalists own Fiesta ST. One of the best and under rated cars ever. MSRP was under 15k new
I've always loved both; a good friend of mine owns an EvoX, and he's done all sorts of work to it and it's BEAUTIFUL! I also had a friend that had an STI with about 20k worth of engine and suspension mods and he used to tape a 20 to the dash and put people in the back,and if you could grab the 20 before he hit 60 you could have it. I don't remember anyone actually being able to grab the money lol
"You couldn't have an STI without Mitsubishi" *Proceeds to discuss all of the AWD tech Mitsubishi pioneered* *Score: "Same for this category"* Me: Umm?
Exactly my thoughts. Would have made the ending better as well if the evo won that part. Everybody into these cars knows one isn't better as the other, it just depands which one you personally like better.
Im a evo guy, but you know its a ying and yang story I respect the Sti but my heart is with the Evo. We should love the car community and forget all the haters. We ALL LOVE CARS
12:43 Actually aged really well as that's exactly what's happening with the WRX, no sti version, looks weird imo, and it's probably gonna become electric in the next few years.
One day, we will regret all the hate on the VB WRX. Test drive it yourself. 6 speed, proper handbrake, no stupid start stop, made in Japan, all wheel drive, etc)
I love how on the internet we absolutely “hate” each other but every time i hit the track me and the sti guys are instantly best friends. Lol and im an evo guy and my little bro is an sti boi idk how we end up with either
To be fair I dont think you can like one and not like the other. Evos and sti's are just cars you cant help but like unless you're a boomer who thinks if there isnt a v8 it isnt fast. This is also coming from a dodge guy.
@@molotovjon6788 i heard it was because they didnt have money for that project and also that nissan owns them and they think what people want is crossovers im not sure if the second part is real but i heard somewere
Its not the cars fault. Most subs are relatively pretty bullet proof, but they were running a new engine to the limit without proper break in time. Not to mention subi bros aren't know for their care of their vehicles very well so hard to tell what maintenance was like before they purchased them. Don't let that one example stick out many subis can push 300,000 miles before getting any issues if they are cared for.
@@SwiftWings1 I also have a bugeye but with 281K on it and it hasnt given me many issues either other than regular maintenance, quite a bulletproof generation
Exactly, I’m a Subaru guy but I will admit that the Evo is the mechanically superior car in almost every way (apart from awd, I think subies have the better system). An ‘04 blobeye sti is my dream car but I also love evo 5s and 6s, especially the tme edition
I can't lie...I cried like a little girl when Mitsubishi unveiled the "Final Edition" because of EVERYTHING it represented...the end if an era, the end of a rivalry, the end for the "fun" era or Mitsubishi...it broke my friggin' heart and the Evo will forever be a legend...it kinda reminded me of Spike Spiegel in a way...it didn't wanna live for ever and did what it came to do...
Having owned 2 Evos and 2 STI's, I can say they are both great cars and excellent fun and handle amazingly. The performance edge for handling and power and cost per HP for upgrading goes hands down to the Evo. Evo is much more reliable and costs way less to modify. I also like that the driving system you don't have to pin the throttle to hold a drift and let the car work it out for you, fluctuating the throttle kills the slide unless your on the ice/snow. STI is hands down more comfortable to ride around in, has better road manners and looks great. It's still fast, still handles very well, but unless you have driven an Evo you won't realize how much better the Evo handles.
“Mitsubishi is planning on brining the Evo back as crossover” first thing you find when searching “lancer evo crossover” on google is multiple articles that state that sources within Mitsubishi have said that IF the Evo makes a return, it’s NOT going to be a crossover 😅
@@arsyadaiman8474 The new crossover concept is for the new Mitsubishi e-Evolution car, which is a completely separate new model that has nothing to do with the Lancer Evolution. Just because the the car model has “evo” or “evolution” in the name doesn’t mean that it’s related to the Lancer Evolution, this just happens to be a new Evolution line that happens to be designed by Mitsubishi.
The fact that the Evo is less accessible is why it makes it more special. I see STIs all day and don't look twice. When you see an Evo it's a little bit more exciting because they are rarer.
@@richarddeansalem2734 What?? I mean I suppose you could make ANY car yourself with enough time and money but no, you can't just make a car. "Also if u really want to do this, buy a manual lancer and then convert to a manual evo. It would be a lot easier. All in all it is a very expensive and complicated procedure, but it can be done. However, I do not recommend it as it could easily end up costing you more than to just buy an evo or ralliart." - from evolutionm forums. It would be easier to convert the Impreza into an STI
Met an owner of a sick evo at work (WRX owner here), and we were both in love with each other’s cars. At the end of the day, they’re both AWD sedans that sound and drive great.
@@amralmatni6586 To be fair, he said it was beating the STI during that time. They're both cool af. I just like Evos more because boxers have oil issues.
@@amralmatni6586 the fact that subaru can't beat the evo even tho they made no changes says something, no hate brother I love both cars but I can tell that he's just being bias
These comparisons mean nothing because you can pick whatever 5 categories you need to make sure the final score is close with only one point between them. You could pick 5 different categories and make either car look way better than the other one. Personally I just prefer the Evo, it's always been better looking, better handling and easier to work on.
This must’ve been the most diplomatic car comparison I’ve ever seen. Clearly you’ve tried your best to not anger one group of fanboys and you have achieved that. No one can argue with the fact that the evo being out of production diminishes its attainability. Well done!
William Arrington I agree with you, I should edit the comment but I won’t as in my view EVO and STI were the standard to the purpose build cars , when they were in WRC and the same on models are on the roads everywhere. People have a lot of control to these cars to tune for rally by themselves . Audi / ford the cars on the read are not same the one from rallies.
Rod Miller’s old Pikes Peak Celica. F”ing MONSTER!! 1 of my favourite race cars of all time. Watched it in the Race to the Sky near Wanaka in New Zealand. Could hear it popping and squeaking all the way to the finish line from the bottom of the mountain. At the same time Monster Tajima has his Suzuki Vitara.... well the badge was from a Suzuki Vitara anyway
@@mouneebak2078 I drive amateur rally in my country I'm somewhere in Asia. Just small modification like suspensions and some basic tuning. My experience driving both car in gravel evo is easier to drive than subaru. I myself have and drive evo 4 and this car is just a sweet spot for me. Subaru wrx 2004 is great but I just can't seem to carried more speed in the corner than my evo. But maybe I just adapt better because the evo is my own. Sorry for my bad English tho
3:19 I'd like to state a fact: In BBC's "Top Gear" show, Jeremy Clarkson proved that the Lancer Evo FQ360 could keep up with a Lamborghini Gallardo on track
@THEMLGNOSCOPER0 no there was no bad turbo lag. They spool up pretty good from factory. I know what you're referring to and it was the dumbest argument ever. What he was doing was lugging the engine. Putting it in a high gear at the wrong speed with his foot to the floor. Any car turbo or not will do the same thing cause the rpm is way too low to do what he was asking of the car. I have no idea why they did such a stupid thing
TBH, it's the smart decision for track racing. You are likely to crash the car and Yaris parts can be attained from the junkyard for nearly nothing. It's also very reliable which is another thing you want in a track car. Toyota parts can also be had pretty cheap parts are common across multiple platforms from sedans, SUV's and even the luxury Lexus brand. Honda I would say is better, but getting parts in a junkyard for older cars is no where near as easy as for Toyota sadly.
One thing that should be elaborated on regarding the stock bottom end power figures you provided: the 350 HP for STi and 400 HP for Evo is wheel horsepower not at the engine.
I owned a white Evo 5 for 2 years running 380 bhp and I adored it. I now own a 2013 Subaru WRX STI Saloon and it's my pride and joy. I don't think I will ever need another fun car because it's everything I want. Fast, loud, cool looking, interesting and you actually have to put some effort in to get good performance. These cars are a gift to the human species and I can't recommend them enough
The western world does not know how the Evo is just way more ingrained and valued than STI in Asian lands, in many movies ie the snippets of Jackie Chan's Thunderbolt shown, and several others, the Evo is always the hero car.
wow very riveting and emotional experience i was just broth through when reading this comment. the up's, the down's... bring a tear to my eye... 11/10 would IGN again ps: the bugeye is like my second fav sti... blobeye is my 1st >~>
I love both and grew up loving both. I’ve always tended to like the Subaru slightly better in every generation except the Evo 9. I just freaking LOVE the Evo 9. But you can’t lose with either. Such amazing cars. It’s all in preference.
I hate what Mitsubishi has been doing to their classics. "The Eclipse? Turn it into an SUV. The EVO everyone loves and that we just stopped production of? Let's make that an SUV too." I love you Mitsubishi, but you gotta stop.
I can't wait for the gallant monster truck or a 3000 GT-Cross, honestly I would love to see a hybrid i4 turbocharged EVO XI, that would be an interesting take on the Lancer brand and would give mitsubishi its identity of not being scared to innovate and change
Yeah. It's a hard choice battle but people have different likes. Still STi's are fantastic. I like them both. But evos have a special place in my heart
SimpleCircuits Bruh Subaru wasn’t even around and even if it was it’d still be no question Mitsubishi seeing as they produced the worlds most agile fighter aircraft at the time of the attack 😂
Recently sold my 06 Hawkeye STI. LOVED the car. Always brought a smile to my face. Bought it new in 05. Drove it hard, auto-x and trackdays. Well over 100k hard miles and it never let me down. I spent alot on top shelf parts, knowledgeable tuning and well maintained with OEM parts. Didnt drive it like a clown missing shifts and 5k launches. Never any issues. Loved the EVO 9 and 10, great cars also, just always a Subaru owner.
Dude i tell you, my mom just sold me hers she got in 2k9 from the daughter of a local Toyota dealer that wanted more HP now, its a custom from factory 1.4 with added on 15" OZ MSW and that car is bonkers. It does need a bit of the good ol MO POWA BABAY! treatment now but still handles so well, im about to splash on the tires first but next im going to herd me the 50 buff ponies to add in the barn... The mk2 Yaris is a fine damn car dunno why so much hate on it
As a wrx owner whose dream car is an evo 9 they are very equal in my books no one car is better then the other and that rivalry becoming a brotherhood has made it 10 times better seeing both of these cars on the road on the east coast
I owned a 2013 and 2015 STI. Have hundreds of hours on both at the track. I now have an 2015 EVO which I also track extensively. On track, both STI and EVO have weakness of being nose heavy and under steering into a tight corner. You mitigate this with trail braking, and the EVO is more eager to rotate with this technique. The EVO then has that wonderous S-AYC rear diff that can push power to the outside wheels, allowing application of throttle sooner and even more rotation to point the nose of the car at the apex sooner. So EVO is more fun, intuitive, and faster on the track. The EVO is always doing what you want it to do, with the STI you are mitigating its weaknesses at all times. On twisty, broken tarmac, b roads, the 2015 STI actually gave me the most confidence, owing to its stiff chassis and suspension. The 2013 STI was scary AF, its suspension too soft. The EVO felt like a compromise between the two STIs. On city roads though, the STIs feel much better. EVO feels like a cheap econo rental by comparison. So it all comes down to your preferences on how you define "better".
YARIS are pretty fun cars, i used to rip the cañon road between my home town and the city in one of those little suckers, and trust me it doesnt matter if you have a more powerful car, once you get to the curves the yaris is like a fish in the water
As someone who wrenches on their own car the Evo is the only correct choice. I’d rather change the head gasket on the Evo 20 times over having to struggle with a overly complex flat 4 engines heads .
I also prefer the STI, but let's be honest, like you said, without an EVO, the newer STI isn't an STI, and being they're killing the EJ20, it's over... So many cars have an aggressive rivalry, but for the STI & EVO, the rivalry has a profound respect for one another. I love the STI, but the EVO is it's brother
A lot of people think the EVO/STI rivalry is what made these cars better. It didn't. Both cars were competing in the WRC. That's what mattered. The EVO was still around when the STI started to go downhill in 2007. The STI got soft because Subaru was really not competing to win anymore. Anyone remember the 2008 STI debacle? The best the GR chassis ever did was 3rd place in the WRC and that was with a GD rear suspension conversion. They quit soon after that.
@@salspec3381 I'm sorry man, I don't mean to start an argument but I think you've got your timelines a bit muddled. Subaru started to go downhill in '06 and that was a full year after Mitsubishi withdrew from the championship. Mitsubishi's last good year was 2001 when Tommi fought tooth and nail for the title but lost out to Burns in (Who would have guessed) an Impreza. Mitsubishi would then get two more podiums in '05 and that's it. Subaru won the title in 2003 and stayed until '08 (By the way, the best result for the GR chassis was 2nd on its debut in Greece). After pulling out of the sport we got the Evo IX and the X. Neither of which ever raced in the WRC. Don't get me wrong, I don't think you're incorrect. Was the rally programs a major factor? But given the fact that Mitsubishi launched two entire variants after pulling out of the WRC, I can't help but think that it wasn't all that mattered. Like I said earlier, I don't want to start a fight, it's just an observation.
I work as a valet...and there's a biiiiiig difference between EVO and STI owners. People with EVO's tend to view valet as an imposition (self-park is extremely limited where I work) and will sneer if forced to valet. EVO owners also tend to take complements as being back-handed. STI owners usually don't have as foul an attitude as EVO owners, and are generally more willing to talk about their vehicles whereas EVO owners tend to take any questions you might have as if you're going to try to steal their car or like they have the secret to the universe and you're sniffing around for it.
@@BIAWolf Sounds is subjective, and opinion come into play. I don't think the boxer motor sounds that great. Sure its cool at first with that fun rumble but after a while its more or less "meh"
@Conor HP means nothing in roads with bends. A high HP car actually makes you slower in a track with a lot of corners. If you don't believe this check out the FRS touge battle with a bone stock engine FRS with FRS's with turbo's and also an FRS with a H6 engine swap from a legacy. The faster car was the one with the stock engine, lol. Power makes it hard to drive in a straight line let alone corners. Edit: Here is the link: ua-cam.com/video/VOThemNoizo/v-deo.html Also even in a straight line. Check out the Honda Civic battle where a car with less than 1/2 HP gets 2nd place in a straight line race: ua-cam.com/video/3txs0LDQtCo/v-deo.html
I remember going nuts as a 5 year old when I couldn't buy the STi Type R in GT1. My second favorite car in the game was the Lan Evo IV. The pre-'98 rally livery is the most iconic.
@@rockzs74r I think a better example would be the ls, hemi, and coyote rivalry. Even though the coyote is expensive as fuck to build. Or if you want to go diesel the powerstroke, duramax, and cummins rivalry.
@@hellorafiki WRX STi won more WRCs though, which is the main reason both cars even existed. That being said, i like the Evo's styling more. Plus 4G63 seems to be the tougher engine.
Fun fact at 0:00 the first clip of the subie, it is competing in the WRC championship, that particular course took place just a little while out from Perth, Western Australia
As a long time STI lover, I would never admit or come to terms with the evo being a better a car. Watching street race videos and builds of evos and sti, it was always clear the evo was better :/ Just sucks Mitsubishi is having an identity crisis. Well done on the video touching all topics!
I'm a Subaru lover and I just can't agree with you sorry. The heritage of rally, the boxer powerplant and the full time all wheel drive are what makes the entire brand for Subaru, it’s a far more holistic company than Mitsubishi. Where Subaru has STI as the pinnacle product for a smaller but tighter family of cars, EVO for Mitsubishi was their racing division and had little to no relation to the wider brand. And as soon as it was clear it wasn’t making them money, Mitsubishi chopped the EVO and, apparently, are looking to turn it into a Crossover so they can break into that segment. Its just totally different cultures and I think that Subaru has always been about the rally-bred, turbocharged flat four, AWD platform really earns them the niche following they have. When you’re talking about the love EVO owners and STI owners have for their cars, its much more than just performance sheets and drag times. I don’t think the average EVO owners cares much about Mitsubishi in the wider sense, just the EVO specifically. STI owners, on the other hand, love Subaru just as much as they love their specific STI and I think that’s the important thing here. Donut goes into this a little bit at 9:40 when talking about the meet differences. There’s no such thing as “Mitsi World” but SubieNation is a huge thing for lovers of the flatfour rumble.
Chris Goodall well said. Donut did touch all of that heritage and culture aspect of the STI throughout the video. But as far as raw performance and reliability... the EVO got it hands down my guy. STI’s are notorious for that ringland failure. I can’t knock you for buying the car for more than just performance that’s cool. But even the earlier model sti’s had Mitsubishi turbos and that says a lot
I've owned both. Had a full bolt on Evo VIII, and a full bolt on GR8. My experience seems to have been the opposite of most. My Evo was bulletproof. Hundreds of launches on the street and strip with next to no failures. My subie? Broke all the time. I put 60k hard miles on the mitsu, and it ran great when I sold it. I only owned the sti for about a year and 10k miles. The Evo handled better, and was quicker, but the subie was more comfortable (can't believe I'm saying that about a Subaru). I'd also like to add that the "Evo X" was a usurper. A poor excuse for an Evo.
@Cameron Regester why would an STI explode at 40k miles? why are you making things up? You know what I think.. most of the faults on a STI isnt actually the cars fault.. but the owner itself.
For what it's worth I almost never see EVOs anymore, even the X. Still see a ton of early 2000s STIs and obviously the newer ones. Still, I prefer the EVO anyday of the week.
WRX owner here. First turbo 4WD I fell in love with was the EVO VIII and IX. But when I turned 17, I had the opportunity to get a brand new car, and the EVO X was way too expensive and soon to be discontinued. Low and behold I'm a happy owner of a '13 WRX in Metallic Grey. Affordability and availability was the main reason for me. Now I just drool over my catback that lets those unequal length headers give that boxer rumble.
What other rivalries do you wanna see?
350z vs g35 lmao
Mustang vs. Camaro
supra vs r34
Mustang vs Camaro
Supra vs r34 vs rx7
As an evo owner I love it when WRXs and STIs give me the wave 👋 I’m glad to see the rivalry become a brotherhood. At the end of the day we go sututu
Aww man... i wanna wave or honk to an evo or other sti 😔 sadly most evo here is sold for almost like 60-67k usd. I drive a '13 wrx sti hatchback btw 🤘🏾😬
One sututu ✊🏼
@@fishnchips5826 I really wish they'd continue the STI and/ or WRX hatchbacks... I think they look way more unique and mean than the sedans.
I just wave at every JDM modified car in my WRX. Sometimes I get a confused look, sometimes I get a wave back haha
@@ArtDamage911 thats exactly the main reason why i bought the hatchback 😅
I see them as brothers, not enemies
Damn right
Sisters*
Cousin's
Still Rivals
family
FACT: OWNERS OF STI AND EVO RESPECT EACH OTHER. ONLY FANBOYS DON'T
Garnica Mark 100% facts
That's a true fact indeed... Respect...
I legit wave and look at Evo owners when I drive my WRX, and I always get a nod or a pull by them to hear their exhaust or something. I legit never experienced the hate ever.
Nicholas I always wave at subies haha, I’ve never not once not waved back lol, we always wave at each other, I’ve literally had some pull up to wherever I end up going and telling me “your evo x is clean” and then we end up becoming friends haha subie to evo love is real
FACT!
As a WRX owner I love it when evo owners acknowledge me. It is a love of cars not war. Both cars are fun and exciting to own.
@Alexander Sterling bet you don’t even own either of them lol
Vlog or it never happened...
stop lyy
Sti is better
Why wouldn’t they. Only a retard would hate someone because of a type of car they drove lol
evo dissapears from market: "bummer"
focus rs shows up on the sceen:
"theres choices again!"
focus dissapears from market:😐
In the uk they are still massively produced
very cool cars, but they don't sell well in america, SUV's, crossovers and trucks are selling a lot and that's what manufacturers will keep making
American ford are stupid.
This is so true that I might actually cry.
@@juancarlospalomino8939 I though Focus RS sold too well. I have seen plenty complaints that dealers marked up a few thousands on top of MSRP.
STI: I have won
“But at what cost?”
STI: the head gasket
Your thinking of NA subaru engines
Stis don't blow gaskets since they changed the design years ago
@@jimmer411 it's not common but it still happens depends how the person drives it as well
@@jimmer411 Well you're coworker is a nitwit then. Maybe if he didn't Ricky race the shit out of it then he would have a different outlook. The only engines that have head gasket failure as a result of a factory defect are the ej251, ej252 and the ej253. The single overhead cam has internal head gasket leaks, and the dual over head cam has external leaks.
@@schizofennec Lmfao, FALSE!!!
"I daily an FRS and track a Yaris."
*This is the way*
Yaris hilton?
As soon as he said that I knew the STI was gonna win
Lol I read that in mandalorian voice 🤣👍🏼
@@CapeRides why lol
@@CapeRides i totally see that!
its funny because us car owners love both and look at them as siblings, yet those without a drivers license manage to judge one over the other
"The STI keeps getting fatter" "the STI has no purpose to stay fit. It has lost its motivation. XC
ummm, Golf R, Focus RS, Civic Type R, Veloster N?..... competition is tighter than ever and to be honest with you as a Subaru owner myself I don't think we are winning. I think the only reason people buy a Subaru now is because we have one of the best import communities.
@@postalpancho take those and a imp on a rally track and you'll see that there aren't much competition.maybe abit from the focus rs.but that's it.
@@postalpancho snapback wearing vapers don't buy any of those cars.
@@postalpancho For winter areas, the FWD options are removed. But I genuine am impressed by the Veloster N and the Type R.
@@n8rey The Civics actually do really well in the snow. I sold my WRX a couple of years ago and switched to a newer Civic Si, with the limited slip dif both tires bite right down allow you to go. While it's not as nice as my old WRX in the snow it wins in every other department except for sound.
As a turbo subaru owner, an evo is a diamond in the rough. Something special about seeing them even with the bias
I love a clean evo, but I'm wrx/Sti all the way!
I agree. I’ve owned 2 wrxs and currently drive an sti. I see and wave to other subies all the time, but I hardly ever see evos, and when I do, it’s like spotting an exotic car cause I maybe only see a few of them a year out in the wild. Only at car shows or events do I see a decent amount of them. Just out on the street, I never see them, and when I do, I’m never in my subie to give them a wave ☹️
If WRX/STI production ended it would be the same
Diamond in the rough
@@18dyl if production ended when the evo did, Subaru pretty much wouldn’t have the 2015-2021 model, which is indeed the most common, but I still see wrxs/stis from 2002 to 2014 more often than all evos, especially the 2004 sti I see every single day while I’m driving it 😂
He said that the Evo died a hero while the STI is still alive but getting fatter day by day.
*You either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain*
P.S.: I just wanted to say this line, not taking any sides lol....evo or subaru.
Akina Hachi Roku yup and it’s rarity is less.
Or you live long enough to get fatter
I have a 2018 WRX and it’s not even that heavy. I weighed it on a truck scale and it came in at 3,000lbs - lower than what it was advertised at.
202Xcorolla+flat4+awd-reliability-mpg＝202X impreza
ummmmm the Evo weighs more than the STI!!!! HAHAHA bigger doesn't mean heavier. With newer production technologies cars can be made bigger, lighter and stiffer. This is a plus in the Subarus favor. Sorry EVO guys, you actually have the fat car.
I've owned both, started out with STi's, got my first Evo, and now I'm never looking back. Although I do love the sound of a good boxer.
Owned an 04 STI and an 06 EVO MR; would take the MR every time.
@@benschreiner7367 why I'm asking because I'm thinking of making a project car!
@@jermainejackson2870 I guess everyone is different, see for me I owned a gsr and now 06 STI. I’d pick the STI over the Evo
In my experience owning both : Evo is cheaper to get more hp out of the engine 4g63 is a strong engine, but spend $$$ on the transmission/drivetrain if ur looking for big hp
Where’s the STI it’s opposite, drivetrain/transmission is almost bulletproof but have to spend $$ on the Engine (EJ25) for being weak for it to hold high hp reliable
It’s really just pick ur poison. But end of the day they are both awesome cars to drive!
@@daturbo4life711 import a Spec C EJ20 STI, and all your problems are solved. This is the platform to build a very good Subaru on, and it smokes EVOs (JDM STI's have been smoking EVOs for decades). And the prices of them are actually very reasonable these days too.
You get the best of both worlds, the chassis is better than standard STI (much better than EVO chassis also), the drivetrain still almost bulletproof (like you said on the normal STI), but now the motor is almost bulletproof too.
@@Jez4prez1 The Ej207 is such a great engine. Legit smokes Evos, stock for stock.
And yes I’m terms of Engine for my car. I’ve gone one better on my STI, got a forged Closed deck short block. (EJ257) Upgraded Turbo, have no issues with it whatsoever, and no problems smoking my friends Evos 😉
Evo vs STI is like asking people which side of boob they'd choose.
Everyone would take both.
MaskedGuyPlays lmao I rather have a bullet proof dsm instead a pos that lives in the shop more then on the road
Rather stick with my r32 tho, even if sti and evo are the different sides of boobs the gtr would have to be the 3rd base😂
Fucking agree 😂
But can't afford
Not unless one side is saggier than the other
“I’m not crying you’re crying” when the evo funeral scene started 😭
Get these freaking onions away from me
Mitsubishi is so fringe lately. First they make the eclipse a crossover. Now they plan to make the Evo a crossover. Mitsubishi hates their customers.
The I wanted to scream when I saw the suv, horrible
Me too
Honestly same EVO was the first love
Mitsubishi can just bury themselves if they're gonna turn the EVO into a crossover.
You can burry your mamma
Its not its probably going to be a awd hatch I think
Hope not or worst turn Evo into a freaking Electric SUV like how ford did it.
I drive a 4th gen eclipse they turned that into a crossover which is BS they should give that a different name
they wrecked the eclipse to
True rivals don't hate - they drive each other to become better.
I’m the only one in my group of WRX and STI’s friends that has a evo 9 and it’s all love no hate 👌🏽💯
"You can argue with me all you want, but you can't argue with the numbers"
But... you chose the numbers
THE Sandman I also happen to think that 2nd round was weird. He was like Evo was better here and Evo was better there but STI wins. I was like huh?!?
Right? What a joke.
Accurate about 350 being the upper limit of the EJ engines.. 450 for the Evo engines? Bitch please. There are many many many people driving around with 500-600AWHP on the 4G and 4B platform daily driving. The bias is very real
@@bryaneff he said 350 with stock engine is recomended...you can go higher ofc but the stock engine may explode in any time
Blayzie ya probably with a rebuilt t case too
"I daily an FRS and track a Yaris"
Me: *confused ooga booga*
BooglA booga booooo
A Scion FRS has a Subaru boxer engine in it, so that mean he already has a bias for Subaru.
@@Duraputer The FA20 could barely be accused of creating bias, nothing to really write home about... It's the chassis and its balance that allows for great fun :)
Going fast in slow cars is way better than going fast in fast cars. Repairs, parts, insurance. Wreck a Yaris on the track, no cares. Wreck an Evo on the track and that’s a bad day.... check out how many car journalists own Fiesta ST. One of the best and under rated cars ever. MSRP was under 15k new
Sad unga bunga
Evo's are red
Subie's are blue
But we all know
They go both *bra-brap stututututututu*
They're different sides of the same shit sandwich?
@@TheMattyPoppins I have a NA subie though
@@Vrilltrooper-of-sillymaxxia I feel bad for you?
lmao
@@Vrilltrooper-of-sillymaxxia WELL WHAT ARE YOU DOING, SLAP A SNAIL ON THAT BAD MAMAJAMMA AND LET 'ER EAT!
I've always loved both; a good friend of mine owns an EvoX, and he's done all sorts of work to it and it's BEAUTIFUL! I also had a friend that had an STI with about 20k worth of engine and suspension mods and he used to tape a 20 to the dash and put people in the back,and if you could grab the 20 before he hit 60 you could have it. I don't remember anyone actually being able to grab the money lol
"You couldn't have an STI without Mitsubishi"
*Proceeds to discuss all of the AWD tech Mitsubishi pioneered*
*Score: "Same for this category"*
Me: Umm?
Myles Hicks ikr. That category makes no sense. The evos were faster for soo long. And comparing the track times because that sti was a few years newer
Exactly my thoughts. Would have made the ending better as well if the evo won that part. Everybody into these cars knows one isn't better as the other, it just depands which one you personally like better.
That and also the culture part don't make sense.
Let's get it straight, Subaru's reputation is built on AWD (in all models but Toyotabaru) while Mitsubishi not so much.
I dont understand how he put the new evo suv concept into this, it isnt even out yet and he just put it there as if it ruined everything.
Im a evo guy, but you know its a ying and yang story I respect the Sti but my heart is with the Evo. We should love the car community and forget all the haters. We ALL LOVE CARS
Except hondas even ap1 and 2 have that shit storm double wishbone out back
Facts
I drive a evo and I'm the same I'll always give a subie a wave and yeah my hearts with the evo but a good subie rips
I'm on the EVO team but every time I see a Subaru on the street, you bet it turns my neck as well. Respect!
Well said Jesus 😁. I have a Subaru myself but I love both.
Both great cars, it’s the rivalry that created them.
They rated Evos lower so that the price doesn’t go up any higher for them lol
Evo is a better cars, I go to a Subaru/toyota shop and the mechanics there say save your money modding a Subaru lol
killa bubbs25 Better engine yes but shitty trans, tcase, drivetrain, etc.
@Bob Saget Facts
@@yohan1902 it's bc it makes more power, sti trans is the same thing
@@yohan1902 when a car makes more power the more things will break
12:43 Actually aged really well as that's exactly what's happening with the WRX, no sti version, looks weird imo, and it's probably gonna become electric in the next few years.
One day, we will regret all the hate on the VB WRX. Test drive it yourself. 6 speed, proper handbrake, no stupid start stop, made in Japan, all wheel drive, etc)
Conclusion: STI and EVO are great, just grab both
But I'm poor :(
I'd choose the 2006 WRX sti turbocharged 2.5 flat 4
only if i could find somewhere to buy
@false prophet mohammed is a pedophile I own a evo bro and used to own a sti
Ikr
I love how on the internet we absolutely “hate” each other but every time i hit the track me and the sti guys are instantly best friends. Lol and im an evo guy and my little bro is an sti boi idk how we end up with either
That's why we're car guys 👍👍
Lol i am more to jdm while my bro is fan of murican muscle but we actually fights a lot😂
That's the internet for ya.
To be fair I dont think you can like one and not like the other. Evos and sti's are just cars you cant help but like unless you're a boomer who thinks if there isnt a v8 it isnt fast. This is also coming from a dodge guy.
That debate ended the moment Mitsubishi killed off the Evo.
But. I love both.
Alan Golden I believe that was due to sales though a car can sell poorly and still be better than other cars
I'm an Evo dude and I agree.
@@molotovjon6788 i heard it was because they didnt have money for that project and also that nissan owns them and they think what people want is crossovers im not sure if the second part is real but i heard somewere
Alan Golden :(
Wait they did ?
After watching the latest Hi/Low series Im inclined to go with the Evo regardless 😅
Its not the cars fault. Most subs are relatively pretty bullet proof, but they were running a new engine to the limit without proper break in time. Not to mention subi bros aren't know for their care of their vehicles very well so hard to tell what maintenance was like before they purchased them. Don't let that one example stick out many subis can push 300,000 miles before getting any issues if they are cared for.
I have a bugeye with 240k on it hasnt given me too serious problems just regular maintenance stuff
Well that's the curse of old Subies
@@SwiftWings1 I also have a bugeye but with 281K on it and it hasnt given me many issues either other than regular maintenance, quite a bulletproof generation
@@legoguy5944 what about a 2007 hawkeye subaru impresario sti?
"If you don't rumble down the driveway are you even a subi bro?"
The answer is; No.
You forgot the subie wave too!
VeteranShark the heartbreak when they don’t wave back😥
Cries in stock exhaust
😥 how do I unlock subie rumble in my FA
Glenn Williams sell your FA for a WRX
I’ll always be more of a evo guy but I’ll always still love subies. They’re brothers to me not enemies
😭😭
Exactly, I’m a Subaru guy but I will admit that the Evo is the mechanically superior car in almost every way (apart from awd, I think subies have the better system). An ‘04 blobeye sti is my dream car but I also love evo 5s and 6s, especially the tme edition
Amen. I'd be proud to park both in my garage but I gotta move the Golfs out of the way
I dare you to make this video: Supra vs. Skyline.
You'll start a war mate hahaha
Honestly both had great motors but that dam 2jz gte is something else with saying that I'd love to see ford barra motor vs 2jz gte
Shut up
The Mitsubishi 3000gt better than both
how original
I'm an Evo guy, but I also love Imprezas, the Hawkeye especially.
Hawk eye spec b owner 🦄🦄
That's the way dude don't hate on each other see the best thing of both
Bugeye for me ever since the wagon came out back in the day.
I like 22Bs
@@rooklink yup. Bugeye is the best. I have a blobeye sti right now, but I miss my blue bugeye
I can't lie...I cried like a little girl when Mitsubishi unveiled the "Final Edition" because of EVERYTHING it represented...the end if an era, the end of a rivalry, the end for the "fun" era or Mitsubishi...it broke my friggin' heart and the Evo will forever be a legend...it kinda reminded me of Spike Spiegel in a way...it didn't wanna live for ever and did what it came to do...
it will come back
Yep it will
As a crossover suv
@@mengx94 😂
Evo stopped being good when they pulled the 4g63t out of it and put in i believe the db11....4g63 for the win
If this ends up in tie and "its all about preferences", imma get mad.
Bayek Florante LMAO I SWEAR TO GOD
Lol well it didnt
@Supercharged Chicken STi's are unreliable garbage. Evos have always been more classy not to mention they're capable of so much more horsepower.
Day 100 of asking James to do an Up to speed on his Dad
PaganiGaming wow
You're dedicated as hell my guy
he could’ve done that on april fools day, opportunity missed.
100TH DAYYY WHOOOO
@@vuiupian did they even do anything for the April Fool's?
Having owned 2 Evos and 2 STI's, I can say they are both great cars and excellent fun and handle amazingly.
The performance edge for handling and power and cost per HP for upgrading goes hands down to the Evo. Evo is much more reliable and costs way less to modify. I also like that the driving system you don't have to pin the throttle to hold a drift and let the car work it out for you, fluctuating the throttle kills the slide unless your on the ice/snow.
STI is hands down more comfortable to ride around in, has better road manners and looks great. It's still fast, still handles very well, but unless you have driven an Evo you won't realize how much better the Evo handles.
“Mitsubishi is planning on brining the Evo back as crossover” first thing you find when searching “lancer evo crossover” on google is multiple articles that state that sources within Mitsubishi have said that IF the Evo makes a return, it’s NOT going to be a crossover 😅
ADVERSARYsix #biasedreview
Its actually to be based on the CMF chassis and be developed with the next generation Renault Megane RS.
A rumour from some website and an actual concept from the actual company, hmmmmmmmmmmmm
@@arsyadaiman8474 The concept is for a car called e-Evolution not the Lancer Evolution, there is no correlation between the two car models.
@@arsyadaiman8474 The new crossover concept is for the new Mitsubishi e-Evolution car, which is a completely separate new model that has nothing to do with the Lancer Evolution. Just because the the car model has “evo” or “evolution” in the name doesn’t mean that it’s related to the Lancer Evolution, this just happens to be a new Evolution line that happens to be designed by Mitsubishi.
The fact that the Evo is less accessible is why it makes it more special. I see STIs all day and don't look twice. When you see an Evo it's a little bit more exciting because they are rarer.
yupp! this call aura
@@faizzs3542 you can literally make an evo yourself why is accessibility a category here lmao
richard dean salem how can you make an evo yourself?
@@richarddeansalem2734 What?? I mean I suppose you could make ANY car yourself with enough time and money but no, you can't just make a car.
"Also if u really want to do this, buy a manual lancer and then convert to a manual evo. It would be a lot easier. All in all it is a very expensive and complicated procedure, but it can be done. However, I do not recommend it as it could easily end up costing you more than to just buy an evo or ralliart." - from evolutionm forums.
It would be easier to convert the Impreza into an STI
when you see a 22b your head spins
Performance shouldn't have been tied, it should have gone to EVO based entirely on what you said.
I'm a Subaru guy and also expected EVO to get more points for performance.
Owned and STi and couldn't agree more. The 4G63 alone I think puts it above.
Yeah same i though the Evo should have won the performance
@@spiders_8792 facts
@A A in your dreams
Met an owner of a sick evo at work (WRX owner here), and we were both in love with each other’s cars. At the end of the day, they’re both AWD sedans that sound and drive great.
I likw how the japanese man bowed out of respect to the last car out of production line! those people are great! I respect their culture!
11:53
@@radattk3145 huh
They have an unhealthy working culture, working 12+ hours a day
@@momanskiakabiffbuz6004 yeah they have some great culture in some areas, and in others… not so much . Sad to see
There are negatives and positives to all cultures
I love how both STi and Evo fans admire each others cars.
"you cant have an Sti without a Mitsubishi"...
Gives equal points.
*LOGIC*
One side biased. He favors STI
Evo made NO changes in the last 10 years that's why he gave them equal score.
@@amralmatni6586 To be fair, he said it was beating the STI during that time. They're both cool af. I just like Evos more because boxers have oil issues.
No it's called Communism :3
@@amralmatni6586 the fact that subaru can't beat the evo even tho they made no changes says something, no hate brother I love both cars but I can tell that he's just being bias
These comparisons mean nothing because you can pick whatever 5 categories you need to make sure the final score is close with only one point between them. You could pick 5 different categories and make either car look way better than the other one.
Personally I just prefer the Evo, it's always been better looking, better handling and easier to work on.
This must’ve been the most diplomatic car comparison I’ve ever seen. Clearly you’ve tried your best to not anger one group of fanboys and you have achieved that. No one can argue with the fact that the evo being out of production diminishes its attainability. Well done!
STI is widow, without having EVO by her side !
thats the most iconic duo anyone has seen in WRC
Eh 037 and Quattro are more iconic imo
William Arrington I agree with you, I should edit the comment but I won’t as in my view EVO and STI were the standard to the purpose build cars , when they were in WRC and the same on models are on the roads everywhere. People have a lot of control to these cars to tune for rally by themselves . Audi / ford the cars on the read are not same the one from rallies.
Donut Media: EVO vs STI
Scotty Kilmer in his Celica: REV UP YOUR ENGINES!!!
😂😂😂😂 He's been keeping his engine reving until his engine blows up😂
I read that in his horse voice
Rod Miller’s old Pikes Peak Celica. F”ing MONSTER!! 1 of my favourite race cars of all time. Watched it in the Race to the Sky near Wanaka in New Zealand.
Could hear it popping and squeaking all the way to the finish line from the bottom of the mountain. At the same time Monster Tajima has his Suzuki Vitara.... well the badge was from a Suzuki Vitara anyway
Good God, do people still watch that old fool?
🤣🤣 You win forever 🤣🤣🤙🤙
Both are a great car, but evo handling is just pure bliss for me.
funny because the wrx handles better, lighter and the the flat 4 gives it lower centre of gravity, both are amazing cars in the end though
@@mouneebak2078 I drive amateur rally in my country I'm somewhere in Asia. Just small modification like suspensions and some basic tuning. My experience driving both car in gravel evo is easier to drive than subaru. I myself have and drive evo 4 and this car is just a sweet spot for me. Subaru wrx 2004 is great but I just can't seem to carried more speed in the corner than my evo. But maybe I just adapt better because the evo is my own. Sorry for my bad English tho
@@vebastiansettel1173Your english is great and amazing information!
3:19 I'd like to state a fact: In BBC's "Top Gear" show, Jeremy Clarkson proved that the Lancer Evo FQ360 could keep up with a Lamborghini Gallardo on track
FQ400 and it was a Murcielago so even more impressive!
Will true
so what?
@THEMLGNOSCOPER0 no there was no bad turbo lag. They spool up pretty good from factory. I know what you're referring to and it was the dumbest argument ever. What he was doing was lugging the engine. Putting it in a high gear at the wrong speed with his foot to the floor. Any car turbo or not will do the same thing cause the rpm is way too low to do what he was asking of the car. I have no idea why they did such a stupid thing
Lol this guy thinks that top gear reviews are accurate...
"I daily FRS and track a Yaris"
MCM: approved in Australian
F the evo's and sti's i wanna kno about this mans Yaris
性交するTheOorange lmao fr fr
TBH, it's the smart decision for track racing. You are likely to crash the car and Yaris parts can be attained from the junkyard for nearly nothing. It's also very reliable which is another thing you want in a track car. Toyota parts can also be had pretty cheap parts are common across multiple platforms from sedans, SUV's and even the luxury Lexus brand. Honda I would say is better, but getting parts in a junkyard for older cars is no where near as easy as for Toyota sadly.
One thing that should be elaborated on regarding the stock bottom end power figures you provided: the 350 HP for STi and 400 HP for Evo is wheel horsepower not at the engine.
I still love both cars. Does this mean there’s gonna be a Mustang VS Camaro episode? Haha
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@@Donut yes,do ferrari vs lamborghini
Interesting bro... Very interesting... 😏
@Leonel Ramirez .........again
The camaro was built to beat the mustang the competiteion is wither it even is a competition😏😏😝
Conclusion: STI and Evo are great. Just pick up which one you like.
No, the STI is way better
Hazwan Haizan one is still made and updated
One isn’t made anymore and won’t be updated
@@AK-mh4zb keep dreaming lol
@@AK-mh4zb LMAO no it's not. The EVO makes power waaaay easier. No contest.
Not an video like this
I owned a white Evo 5 for 2 years running 380 bhp and I adored it. I now own a 2013 Subaru WRX STI Saloon and it's my pride and joy. I don't think I will ever need another fun car because it's everything I want. Fast, loud, cool looking, interesting and you actually have to put some effort in to get good performance. These cars are a gift to the human species and I can't recommend them enough
Honestly, i could never pick any between these two, i love both to death.
Let the fanboy wars begin
but seriously though 2 word: personal prefrence
Edit: y'all really started debating under my comment
tormenmashi_ evo is better
@@despair5195 damn right it is
The western world does not know how the Evo is just way more ingrained and valued than STI in Asian lands, in many movies ie the snippets of Jackie Chan's Thunderbolt shown, and several others, the Evo is always the hero car.
@@despair5195 i own a 2017 wrx sti and both are great cars. What do you drive?
@@crimescene25 honestly I think the evo is better in terms of styling. However both are good cars
Me: A Bugeye owner
Video: Calls it ugly
Me: Blows a vape cloud
Grooove e bug eye is king 🤴
wow very riveting and emotional experience i was just broth through when reading this comment. the up's, the down's... bring a tear to my eye... 11/10 would IGN again
ps: the bugeye is like my second fav sti... blobeye is my 1st >~>
Bugeye went sadeye :(
It's the surprised one
I love the bugeye!
This “ Car Versus Car” will be it’s own segment right? Because it should.
YES! What do you want to see us compare?
AMG vs. MPower vs. RS, would be nice
Supra vs R34?
@@Donut You should totally do Mustang vs. Camaro
@@Donut American performance vs Japanese
I love both and grew up loving both. I’ve always tended to like the Subaru slightly better in every generation except the Evo 9. I just freaking LOVE the Evo 9. But you can’t lose with either. Such amazing cars. It’s all in preference.
I hate what Mitsubishi has been doing to their classics.
"The Eclipse? Turn it into an SUV. The EVO everyone loves and that we just stopped production of? Let's make that an SUV too."
I love you Mitsubishi, but you gotta stop.
I can't wait for the gallant monster truck or a 3000 GT-Cross, honestly I would love to see a hybrid i4 turbocharged EVO XI, that would be an interesting take on the Lancer brand and would give mitsubishi its identity of not being scared to innovate and change
But right now it looks like it's going fucking downhill
@@danoV1c a hybrid evo if done right could be very fast, ev motors give lots of torque and you could electric turbo the intake.
Mitsubishi has died a long time ago
There's a Lancer Evo crossover?
Basically 80% of the comments are Evo guys. I'm an evo fan too so what's up. Evo wins for me tho. But respect to the sti
Yeah. It's a hard choice battle but people have different likes. Still STi's are fantastic. I like them both. But evos have a special place in my heart
It isn't disrespect to Subie to point out the flawed logic in this video.
The evo gives more power then the sti if modded right
I’m a neither guy, I wouldn’t buy either car. But the Evo is simply better 🤷🏻♂️
Hes just inbred. Mustang beat Camaro lmao his a chromosone too short
I thought round 5 was going to be about which company did more during the Attack on Pearl Harbor.
why would you think that?
SimpleCircuits Bruh Subaru wasn’t even around and even if it was it’d still be no question Mitsubishi seeing as they produced the worlds most agile fighter aircraft at the time of the attack 😂
@@e90baby it was around, as Nakajima. Mitsubishi built the Zeroes but Nakajima made the torpedo bombers. don't know which one wins lol
Mitsubishi used to make war planes but it didn't mean mitsubishi killed people the pilots did
So who wins? ;)
As an STI owner I love when I see an Evo, and I don't hate but there is always this friendly rivalry type vibe
The Mitsubishi Evo was my Dream Car since I was young , The Evo still looks cool today
Umm, you guys forgot to mention something important: *COLIN MCRAE*
preeeeeach!
One Nation
Under God
COLIN BE THY NAME
His name alone should have amounted to at least one more point in heritage.
until he lost 3 years in a row to the evo... my heart goes out to subies but the cars are so close its what led to such a competitive rivalry
Yes very important also... 8 years with subaru and 1 world championship..
Maybe worse than Vettel in Ferrari
And i'm fucking italian
As someone with a STI, this was a dangerous click.
I've got a WRX and I was damn skeptical lol
As a subi owner, i think almost every argument of this video was shit for both partys xD
Just came for the comments 😂
Exactly 😂😂
@@subarubuildz1738 999999o
Recently sold my 06 Hawkeye STI. LOVED the car. Always brought a smile to my face. Bought it new in 05. Drove it hard, auto-x and trackdays. Well over 100k hard miles and it never let me down. I spent alot on top shelf parts, knowledgeable tuning and well maintained with OEM parts. Didnt drive it like a clown missing shifts and 5k launches. Never any issues. Loved the EVO 9 and 10, great cars also, just always a Subaru owner.
Host: "I daily an FRS and track a Yaris"
Me slightly zoned out: wait what? Okay let's see where this goes.
Dude i tell you, my mom just sold me hers she got in 2k9 from the daughter of a local Toyota dealer that wanted more HP now, its a custom from factory 1.4 with added on 15" OZ MSW and that car is bonkers. It does need a bit of the good ol MO POWA BABAY! treatment now but still handles so well, im about to splash on the tires first but next im going to herd me the 50 buff ponies to add in the barn... The mk2 Yaris is a fine damn car dunno why so much hate on it
i guess it is cheaper to track a Yaris than to track an FRS. Real grassroots racers know that
Good for low end rally on the cheap. Not sure about the track though.
FRS is slow asf stock
*no bias but he dailies an FRS with a SUBARU ENGINE*
With a SUBARU everything
Backwerds and also tracks a Yaris. So what’s your point ?
"Daily an FRS and track a Yaris"
I love this new guy...
🤣🤣🤣🤣
As a wrx owner whose dream car is an evo 9 they are very equal in my books no one car is better then the other and that rivalry becoming a brotherhood has made it 10 times better seeing both of these cars on the road on the east coast
Good video! You forgot one round:
RELIABILITY
He's too biased so he didn't want that smoke lmao
@@SkyboundMar Yeah he was pretty bias. He tried not to be but it was still there.
I don't know about you guys but Evos here in Asia are pretty reliable.
@@silverarrow2013 Yeah we're not saying they're not.
River Bons Evos in my area likes being on jack stands. 🤮
you point out that the sti in baby driver was rear wheel drive converted like thats a bad thing but failed to mention so was the evo in tokyo drift...
He is on sti side thats all
But the wrx wasn't special ans didn't really do much
And that it did a 14.6 1/4 mile without awd
@@Spiritcr1jsher that ain’t shit
@@es0x i know that ..... That's my point.....
In 2016
Evo: Did you do it?
STI: Yes
Evo: And what did it cost?
STI: Everything.
I got that reference!
I don’t get it
@@j30trilla26 Infinity war. Thanos
Hi meant die....
@@j30trilla26 So, I assume you get on the internet once in a blue moon?
I owned a 2013 and 2015 STI. Have hundreds of hours on both at the track. I now have an 2015 EVO which I also track extensively. On track, both STI and EVO have weakness of being nose heavy and under steering into a tight corner. You mitigate this with trail braking, and the EVO is more eager to rotate with this technique. The EVO then has that wonderous S-AYC rear diff that can push power to the outside wheels, allowing application of throttle sooner and even more rotation to point the nose of the car at the apex sooner. So EVO is more fun, intuitive, and faster on the track. The EVO is always doing what you want it to do, with the STI you are mitigating its weaknesses at all times.
On twisty, broken tarmac, b roads, the 2015 STI actually gave me the most confidence, owing to its stiff chassis and suspension. The 2013 STI was scary AF, its suspension too soft. The EVO felt like a compromise between the two STIs.
On city roads though, the STIs feel much better. EVO feels like a cheap econo rental by comparison. So it all comes down to your preferences on how you define "better".
“I daily a FRS and track a Yaris” that is... just wow
YARIS are pretty fun cars, i used to rip the cañon road between my home town and the city in one of those little suckers, and trust me it doesnt matter if you have a more powerful car, once you get to the curves the yaris is like a fish in the water
Keep the Evo 3 for the special nights and daily the Yaris RS.
It’s one of those comments you really don’t understand unless you just love cars.
That’s why you don’t understand it.
Laughs in gr yaris
It's like daily driving an STI&track driving a baseline impreza (or daily driving an evo&track driving a baseline lancer)
I love the energy of that guy in the evo dyno clip, pure joy on his face lmao
Most STI guys have that same energy when they survive a dyno pull regardless of the power numbers 🤣😂🤣
He’s more of a highlight in this video than the presenter of the video 😂
Nice "All Aspects" decal on a Cali car @10:19. Cheers to my favorite builder, racer, and tuner.
Both are awesome cars, however, the EVO is the one that captures my heart and love for driving with Turbos and AWD.
@Chris L Always hating what junk do u drive kid?
@Chris L
Bus riders btfo
As someone who wrenches on their own car the Evo is the only correct choice. I’d rather change the head gasket on the Evo 20 times over having to struggle with a overly complex flat 4 engines heads .
@@ace-qi9pj Chris L drives a Pontiac Aztek
"The Culture of the two cars"
*shows vape*
Shots fired bro!
Subaru fan here, an sti wouldn't an be sti without an evo.
Same
Amen.
I also prefer the STI, but let's be honest, like you said, without an EVO, the newer STI isn't an STI, and being they're killing the EJ20, it's over...
So many cars have an aggressive rivalry, but for the STI & EVO, the rivalry has a profound respect for one another. I love the STI, but the EVO is it's brother
A lot of people think the EVO/STI rivalry is what made these cars better. It didn't. Both cars were competing in the WRC. That's what mattered. The EVO was still around when the STI started to go downhill in 2007. The STI got soft because Subaru was really not competing to win anymore. Anyone remember the 2008 STI debacle? The best the GR chassis ever did was 3rd place in the WRC and that was with a GD rear suspension conversion. They quit soon after that.
@@salspec3381 I'm sorry man, I don't mean to start an argument but I think you've got your timelines a bit muddled. Subaru started to go downhill in '06 and that was a full year after Mitsubishi withdrew from the championship. Mitsubishi's last good year was 2001 when Tommi fought tooth and nail for the title but lost out to Burns in (Who would have guessed) an Impreza. Mitsubishi would then get two more podiums in '05 and that's it. Subaru won the title in 2003 and stayed until '08 (By the way, the best result for the GR chassis was 2nd on its debut in Greece). After pulling out of the sport we got the Evo IX and the X. Neither of which ever raced in the WRC. Don't get me wrong, I don't think you're incorrect. Was the rally programs a major factor? But given the fact that Mitsubishi launched two entire variants after pulling out of the WRC, I can't help but think that it wasn't all that mattered. Like I said earlier, I don't want to start a fight, it's just an observation.
I work as a valet...and there's a biiiiiig difference between EVO and STI owners.
People with EVO's tend to view valet as an imposition (self-park is extremely limited where I work) and will sneer if forced to valet.
EVO owners also tend to take complements as being back-handed.
STI owners usually don't have as foul an attitude as EVO owners, and are generally more willing to talk about their vehicles whereas EVO owners tend to take any questions you might have as if you're going to try to steal their car or like they have the secret to the universe and you're sniffing around for it.
So "they're equal, except the STI is still made so it wins".
I mean, okay... even as a Subie owner I think this is a cop-out lol
David Michael he said it himself the sti would not be there without mitsubishi
He could've put another sub section in for "Sound" and then the STI wouldve blown the evo out the water.
I agree.
@@BIAWolf Sounds is subjective, and opinion come into play. I don't think the boxer motor sounds that great. Sure its cool at first with that fun rumble but after a while its more or less "meh"
It’s a win by default
Yea the Evo is becoming a classic car and has been left as a hero, *scores it lower*
Me: bruh
Innit
100% right
i said the same thing when he said that lol
the score was for accessibility. because they have exclusive value, they're harder to obtain.
Also the evo dosent need head gaskets constantly. Even unmodded subarus blow there gaskets so much there junk no one wants them
At 3:18 when he said "for the UK" the footage is actually in Malaysia and the car is most likely a JDM unit.
Ya..maybe at Karak Highway
100%
Mohd Faizal Muhamad Aziz i think it’s Genting
I think because UK,Malaysia,and Japan drive on the left side.
@@blacksukhoi Definitely genting
I love both of them... but evo allways has a special place in my heart.
@DYLAN CHAHMIRIAN Nah man. Dont have time rn
"Daily an FRS and track a Yaris"
What in the heavens? Lol
Cheap fun on track and killer daily, what's not to love ?
@Conor well guest what .it is
More like hell...
@Conor HP means nothing in roads with bends. A high HP car actually makes you slower in a track with a lot of corners. If you don't believe this check out the FRS touge battle with a bone stock engine FRS with FRS's with turbo's and also an FRS with a H6 engine swap from a legacy. The faster car was the one with the stock engine, lol. Power makes it hard to drive in a straight line let alone corners.
Edit: Here is the link: ua-cam.com/video/VOThemNoizo/v-deo.html
Also even in a straight line. Check out the Honda Civic battle where a car with less than 1/2 HP gets 2nd place in a straight line race: ua-cam.com/video/3txs0LDQtCo/v-deo.html
Maybe he somehow has a WRC Yaris
I was told STIs are bad for your health... stay safe amigos
Lol, in the future they might fix there head gasket problems, on there 2.5L, from revvvvvvy Honda bois.
@@noicegrey boi that joke flew miles over your head
Noice Grey. You are one dense boy
But at least we all know that know one talks about the 2.2L from Subaru
Honestly, I’m a huge fan of both. My heart just belongs to the evo. I’d drive the shit out of a soooobie doe
Same :D
Im the same way except reverse lol i love evos to death but my heart lies in an EJ
Evo is king
Honestly I completely agree with you. I love my lancer but I still kinda want to try an sti
I remember going nuts as a 5 year old when I couldn't buy the STi Type R in GT1. My second favorite car in the game was the Lan Evo IV. The pre-'98 rally livery is the most iconic.
All I can say is that I love my evo. Never gonna get rid of it.
that clip of the Evo going up hill “from the UK” is actually Malaysia. The EJ vs 4G rivalry is a bit like the RB vs JZ
Khaw Ju An ikr bro..Ive seen that vid before lol
RB is to expensive to rival a 2JZ. It was even more financially viable to go for VR38 than an RB26
@@rockzs74r I think a better example would be the ls, hemi, and coyote rivalry. Even though the coyote is expensive as fuck to build. Or if you want to go diesel the powerstroke, duramax, and cummins rivalry.
No hate but how is it said “you can’t have an sti without Mitsubishi” and score it equal
Cause the guy does track days in a Yaris that's why
Because they feed off of each other
@@Nate34 an evo doesn't need to feed off a subaru, the subaru fed off the evo 🤷🏻♂️
kinks pe they came out (road going versions) literally within 2 months. The Evo and the Sti were always side by side.
@@hellorafiki WRX STi won more WRCs though, which is the main reason both cars even existed.
That being said, i like the Evo's styling more. Plus 4G63 seems to be the tougher engine.
Fun fact at 0:00 the first clip of the subie, it is competing in the WRC championship, that particular course took place just a little while out from Perth, Western Australia
As a long time STI lover, I would never admit or come to terms with the evo being a better a car. Watching street race videos and builds of evos and sti, it was always clear the evo was better :/
Just sucks Mitsubishi is having an identity crisis.
Well done on the video touching all topics!
I'm a Subaru lover and I just can't agree with you sorry. The heritage of rally, the boxer powerplant and the full time all wheel drive are what makes the entire brand for Subaru, it’s a far more holistic company than Mitsubishi. Where Subaru has STI as the pinnacle product for a smaller but tighter family of cars, EVO for Mitsubishi was their racing division and had little to no relation to the wider brand. And as soon as it was clear it wasn’t making them money, Mitsubishi chopped the EVO and, apparently, are looking to turn it into a Crossover so they can break into that segment. Its just totally different cultures and I think that Subaru has always been about the rally-bred, turbocharged flat four, AWD platform really earns them the niche following they have. When you’re talking about the love EVO owners and STI owners have for their cars, its much more than just performance sheets and drag times. I don’t think the average EVO owners cares much about Mitsubishi in the wider sense, just the EVO specifically. STI owners, on the other hand, love Subaru just as much as they love their specific STI and I think that’s the important thing here. Donut goes into this a little bit at 9:40 when talking about the meet differences. There’s no such thing as “Mitsi World” but SubieNation is a huge thing for lovers of the flatfour rumble.
Cameron Regester sounds like you forgot to check your oil every time you drive it
Chris Goodall well said. Donut did touch all of that heritage and culture aspect of the STI throughout the video. But as far as raw performance and reliability... the EVO got it hands down my guy. STI’s are notorious for that ringland failure.
I can’t knock you for buying the car for more than just performance that’s cool. But even the earlier model sti’s had Mitsubishi turbos and that says a lot
I've owned both. Had a full bolt on Evo VIII, and a full bolt on GR8. My experience seems to have been the opposite of most. My Evo was bulletproof. Hundreds of launches on the street and strip with next to no failures. My subie? Broke all the time. I put 60k hard miles on the mitsu, and it ran great when I sold it. I only owned the sti for about a year and 10k miles. The Evo handled better, and was quicker, but the subie was more comfortable (can't believe I'm saying that about a Subaru). I'd also like to add that the "Evo X" was a usurper. A poor excuse for an Evo.
@Cameron Regester why would an STI explode at 40k miles? why are you making things up? You know what I think.. most of the faults on a STI isnt actually the cars fault.. but the owner itself.
For what it's worth I almost never see EVOs anymore, even the X. Still see a ton of early 2000s STIs and obviously the newer ones. Still, I prefer the EVO anyday of the week.
Prolly cause people think Evos will become collectibles
Being Mitsubishi only sold roughly 22,202 Evo X's in America can explain why you rarely see one.
Pretty obvious, they’re on jack stands!!!
Thomas Nguyen Not anytime soon, most are beat up or on jack stands.
STI: Press Throttle to pay respects.
STI: *Sad burble noises*
WRX owner here. First turbo 4WD I fell in love with was the EVO VIII and IX. But when I turned 17, I had the opportunity to get a brand new car, and the EVO X was way too expensive and soon to be discontinued. Low and behold I'm a happy owner of a '13 WRX in Metallic Grey. Affordability and availability was the main reason for me. Now I just drool over my catback that lets those unequal length headers give that boxer rumble.