Of course he did! They fought in the same war, and have History with each other! I can imagine on the Boat ride to Normandy, they shared conversations and backed each other up like if their first meeting will be their last day on earth! I feel like They perhaps may not be friends, but deep respect for one another should definitely be there!
Captain America and Wolverine have met in WW2 so they have some history, and even if Wolverine lost his memories during the Weapon X project, he may still have some deep emotional pull to trust Cap.
Movie Wolverine said “F the Avengers” for one of two reasons: He either blames them for not being there when the X-Men were killed, or he came into direct conflict with them after he lost control when the X-Men were killed. Comics Wolverine doesn’t hate the Avengers. They’re not the same as the X-Men to him, but he certainly doesn’t hate them. He has too many good relationships with too many of the Avengers for that to be true. Captain America, Thor, Hercules, Black Widow, Captain Marvel, The Thing, Spider Woman, Spider-Man, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, etc are all legitimate friends of his. They were all friends before he even joined the team. There’s actually an issue where Wolverine was spiraling into depression and half of the Avengers showed up to pull him out of it. I think he had more of a kinship with the New Avengers roster than the main team…but there’s no general dislike there. All Stark had to do to get him on the team was bribe him with beer lol
I'm wondering if he came into conflict with them during his beserk rage and then they tried to offer him redepemtion and that's put him off. Since he disn't think he was worth it.
@@5brags455 I’ll have to go and find it and get back to you. It was during the time period where Wolverine was dating Melita Garner…and after Wolverine was tricked into killing his evil kids that he didn’t know about. But I can’t remember the exact issue. But Cap, Iron Man, Thor, Cage and some of the other Avengers, X-Men and I think some of the FF come to show support.
That is reason Frank Castle AKA Punisher, and Logan AKA DUH.... Like Spider-Man. In fact Spidey may be Frank's one true friend in the Marvel Universe more so than Daredevil.
It's because Avengers didn't help Xmen when they get attack by a non mutant humans. You will know it while Logan talking about his PTSD to X-23 in the movie
To be fair a lot of them, I like self-contained stories even though they all took place in New York, and there are have so many heroes. You barely see any of them interact with each other because Reasons.
Honestly, this is probably why if I was in the Marvel Universe and was a superhero mutant then that's why I would want to join the X Men more than I would the Avengers. It feels like I'm fighting for something to believe in rather than just doing a job as a hero; while I would still do the latter, I would still want to stand for something when being on a superhero team.
I wouldnt want to join the x-men cause they are nothing like how they were in the early days and the fox movies. They are all jaded self preservationist fuck ups now. And kind of always have been.
He probably hates the avengers because of the superhuman registration act and all that civil war junk. That's probably why the humans were able to kill all the x-men in this world.
I’m guessing in their reality, when Cap refused to sign, which basically started the war, I think that’s when this version of Logan started becoming more distant with his X-Men family, witnessing another war but this time it’s close to home. And the day he went out drinking & coming back to everyone murdered is when probably the same day Cap & Ironman fought at the airport. Just a fun theory
There are more people on the Avengers roster than Logan has probably butted heads with before, while the X-Men you might get Scott and Charles from time to time but they are his family.
It’s not so much the avengers he dislikes. There’s probably two major factors that go into it really. One is Logan is a mutant, first and foremost. Mutants are looked down on as test subjects more than anything. They’re the underground heroes, the ones who have a more negative rep. Even the X-men’s intentions were questioned by the government more times than not even tho Charles legitimately wanted to save people. Whereas the avengers were always advertised in a way more positive light. Every member of the avengers were basically celebrities. Captain America being the face of that, they were just always seen more positively. I think Logan recognizes that and probably has some ill feelings about how much better they’re seen by the public versus the X-men. Secondly, he HAS been recruited by the avengers multiple times and each time he felt more like an asset of theirs more than he did a trusted ally. He feels alienated by them. Therefore, he doesn’t feel like he’s a part of that family.
that's exactly the double standard Logan hates. Captain America, Hulk, Winter soldier...are all test subjects of US gov or military, they're technically mutants too except celestial beings like Thor or human heroes like Inronman
@@486veR I mean, he's been mutated, yeah, so he could classify as a mutant normally. Thing is, you only ever really get classified as a mutant in Marvel if you have an active mutant gene (or X-gene, I can't remember which it's called), which Peter and the other heroes in the Avengers don't have. They were mutated through accidents or experiments, whereas the X-Men and other mutants had that mutated gene the moment they were born, and at some point in their life, it activated.
@@0matters They're meant to be, yes, and typically they are Magneto's children. Though the MCU changed their origin since obviously they didn't have the rights to the X-Men, Magnero, and Mutants as a whole, so although Fox let the MCU use Wanda and Pietro, they couldn't make them mutants at ths time, since then it would complicate things with Fox and the X-Men characters. Though around the same time as Age of Ultron, Marvel Comics retconned their origin in the comics to make it so they weren't "true" mutants, but rather beings experimented on by the High Evolutionary to have the mutant gene. I'm not sure if that retcon is still canon or not.
I believe that you have nailed it straight on. You rightfully describe the AVENGERS, as a job, and far less personal. The X-MEN, literally are his adopted family..brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, aunts and uncles, and-so-on. As you said, he cares for them all, young and old.
Wolverine is my favorite character in comics, in my opinion he has a lot on his mind, and I guess family is more important when he needs them the most... The X - MEN is my favorite comic when I was growing up the Avengers came in second... In the movies the Avengers became my favorite and the X-MEN came in second.. My favorite artist in the X-MEN comics is Jim Lee, I liked it when he did the Artwork in the 90 ' s.. My favorite storyline is Blood Ties where the X-MEN and the Avengers had to work together as a team... Too bad Wolverine wasn't in it, but he wasn't in it because of the Fatal Attraction Storyline before it.. Logan had to take a vacation away from the X - MEN because Magneto liquefied his adamantium and yanked the whole metal at of him which made him feel emotionally useless to his family..
That is what I have always loved about the X-men. They are a family. And even if Wolvie leaves and does his own thing for a little while he always comes home eventually. Like Casandra said in the Deadpool Wolverine movie "Charles really loved you," as she said that to Logan I teared up. It was so true. I think Charles Xavier had a special place in his heart or Logan because often times Wolverine would seem so lost, yet so loyal. Although they fought and disagreed, they were still family.
If i were a hero in the marvel universe and was good enough to be in the avengers i would definitely do it but i can see how it seems more like a job than it does a team. Kinda like playing on a major league ball team compared to playing in little League with all your closest friends. I imagine that the avengers do have some kind of bond other than that of coworkers and more like brothers in arms but when it comes to the X-Men or the fantastic 4 that's a family like kind of team. Both kinds of teams are needed in that universe but the family type bond will always be stronger
I'll be honest. Being a superhero in the Marvel Universe has SOME Merits, overall...it sucks. The people there hate you and despise you if you're either a Mutant or a certain wall crawler, the teams Do not work well with each other unless the need arises and often times will butt heads all day, everyday more often than not. While I love Marvel heroes and love it more when they work together as actual heroes and teams...the stagnation and constant "Oh, we have to have Mutants be hated and the others heroes treat them differently despite all the times we've helped each other." Status quo is bullshit. Nuff Said. For me, I'd probably work with Doctor Doom if I were in The Marvel Universe.
Being a human with no powers is far worse than being a super hero in the marvel universe but yeah I agree. The status quo they have sucks. I honestly don't think X-Men and Avengers should be in the same universe if they insist to keep the downtrodden mutants status quo a thing because it just ends up making the avengers look bad and the fans of the heroes on that team deserve better.
@@redram6080 EXACTLY! Now I'll be honest. I started out as a fan of the X-Men at first but wound up finding myself more of a fan of The Avengers and F4 as time went on. Because more times than not. The X-Men usually have the same repetitive story, yes, so do the other teams. But for me, there's only so much Mutant Hating, Mutant Oppression bullcrap I can take in comics before I'm just like "Shut Up Already!" So yeah, much as I love all three teams. Either The X-Men and Mutants get their own separate universe where this mutant hating crap can continue on end without making everyone's other favorite superheroes look bad and make you feel bad for being a fan of those teams because of it. Or I'm just never picking up another issue of there pertaining to Mutants. Cause I'm at my wits end, either give us something new that's not Krakoa and actually have Mutants gain acceptance...or just remove them entirely. Their stories worked back in the day, but now, like a lot of things, feels WAY too in your face. Sorry for the rant. Just frustrated with how Marvel insists on running them.
I can kinda see both sides of this, but in general, it all boils down to one thing. The way the X-Men and mutants are looked down upon is a play on our fear of the unknown. In the Marvel Universe, how mutants came to be is still relatively unknown depending on the iteration, as well as the fact that mutant abilities are so varied, and sometimes extremely destructive. That being said, if you look at mutants in the DC universe, most mutants are monstrous, and destructive as well, though there are a few that only want to be left alone, and only lash out when disturbed. Honestly, I would like to see a series that starts out with the X-Men being feared and discriminated against, but over time people begin to trust them, and treat them as people. We need more stories with positive outcomes. If you look at a lot of movies, series, and what not today, from those that I have seen, most have ambiguous or sad endings. I'm certain that most people would want something positive over something negative.
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@@brockly7916 Haha, it was a drunk post. I don't even know what I was thinking when I posted it. I'll have to watch the video again to see if it makes any sense😆
Justice felt the same way. He liked and thought more fondly of the New Warriors than Avengers. For similar reasons that the Avengers feel more like a job than say a family like the New Warriors.
Tony Stark is a true narcissist. He has a moral compass (at least after his ordeal in the desert), but he's still mostly insufferable to be around for any length of time, and he doesn't try to hide his ego at all. Logan has always been a pretty down-to-Earth, humble sort of guy, with too much survivors guilt to ever think he's better than anyone else. Polar opposites personality wise imo
Just off the information from this video, my answer would be The Fantastic 4 because they are small net group. If you want to be seen it’s much easier to be seen as a big fish in a little pond vs. a big fish in the ocean 🤷🏾♂️
X-Men, hands down.The Avengers are too bureaucratic for my tastes, and they've conflicted with the X-Men before on sensitive topics/issues, such as the Superhuman Registration Act, as well as other conflicts regarding mutant rights and their persecution from humans. Iron Man and Captain America have supported actions like these, but not necessarily the same ones. Steve Rogers opposed the Superhuman Regristration Act while Iron Man supported it. This was seen in the "Civil War" story line, as well as the Captain America: Civil War film, where the act was called the Sokovia Accords that were established in light of what occurred in the "Rise of Ultron" becuz of Tony and Bruce's arrogance resulting in the creation of Ultron and the destruction and deaths that followed. Some of that had been the fault of Helmut Zemo, to be fair, but regardless. There was also a storyline of the Avengers vs the X-Men over a Mutant Registration Act. Steve had actually supported it, earning him the ire of Cyclops, who accused Captain America of supporting bigotries towards mutants by his support of the act, saying "You want us to register for being born" Something similar also occurred in Agents of SHIELD, where SHIELD kept an "Index" on individuals with unique abilities. When the Inhumans of Afterlife were discovered, the SHIELD higher-ups, including Coulson, insisted on registering the Inhumans, which Sky opposed, leading to conflicts between them. The fears of the inhumans being registered regrettably came true when HYDRA, along with Lash, tracked down and captured inhumans to be used as living weapons while Lash went on a killing spree of any inhumans he could find regardless of who they were and what they used their powers for The point is, lists of superhumans are always an iffy idea becuz those lists can be compromised and fall into the wrong hands I view the Avengers as better than SHIELD, but not all that much to be honest. So again, for me, it's the X-Men, hands down.
I feel like in almost every imaginable world filled with regular humans, having an index of people with unique abilities is an extremely sane idea. We as comic book readers/comic book based movies fans may only look into the subject from these superheroes' perspective, but I as a human wouldn't want to live in a world where these beings can potentially go berserk without us having a contingency plan against them based on their abilities.
@@NadimShaikh-qv7zj Well of course, every superhuman still has to be held accountable for their actions, especially if they abuse their powers. In which case, it'd be sorta like being put on the registry of sex offenders, only its a registry for superpowered offenders
He dislikes or hate the avengers is because I'm the mcu where both x men and avengers exist but yet there was no one in sight to help the xmen when they died if they stick to the story they created with mcu wolverine storyline which would make the most since
X men for sure gym with colossus and cyclops by day bars with logan and gambit by night and goofing off with rogue, nightcrawler and shadowcat somewhere in between. Best life right there.
So I don't know about Comic Book Wolverine, but when it comes to the story being told in Deadpool and Wolverine, he blatantly tells us that after humanity came for and murdered the X-Men, Wolverine started going on a killing spree, and even killed innocents. With that kind of backstory, and the fact that he's a regenerative killing machine, it's highly likely he was labelled an Avengers-level threat. So more than likely, the reason that particular version of Wolverine would hate the Avengers is probably because they were adversaries.
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A great comic to see the relationship between Cap, Wolverine and Black Widow, is Uncanny X-Men #268. It tells a modern story of a team up of the three, while giving flashbacks of the WW2 incident where Cap met Logan, and they teamed up to save a then Child Natasha from the Hand, and The Nazis. Great issue, 10/10 Definitely recommend.
Because this version of Wolverine comes from the Universe with Avengers and Mutants exists. This variant comes from the comics titled, "Avengers and the Xmen" which was released early 2012.
well everyone is essentially in avenger in the marvel universe but there are members that are active everyday in the team while others are only active in a very big world problem.
He joined the team in the 2005 run of new avengers and has been a member ever since, he even sided with the avengers over the X-men during the avengers vs X-men event
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But Thor is a problem maybe storm can mess him up? Cap can be Xaiers mind control. Letting the Hulk and Loganand Rogue Duke it out. Ironman against Gambit is interesting. If the Avengers have vision tho. Lights out
@@SmashKing17 i respect your perspective, I disagree wholeheartedly, Steve Rodgers ain’t touching Professor X, Hulk ain’t touching Rogue , Ironman?? Jean Grey would wash him and the rest of the Avengers solo
I feel like the Avengers just can't win with the X-Men. They get accused of doing nothing for mutants, but when they try to help the X-Men they get told to get stuffed as its a mutant situation. The X-Men know that the Avengers are friendly having several members of the X-Men on their roster. Hell even the Unity Squad was Cap's idea to prove that mutants and human can work together. The only time I think the Avengers handled a situation poorly was during AvsX, but that was because Cap went to Wolverine for advice on how to handle the Phoenix.
I was in Liechtenstein years ago and couldn't help myself. With a wry smile on my face I politely asked one of the soldier guards in front of one of the stately mansions there... "Excuse me, can you tell me where Victor Von Doom's castle is?" I'm not sure if he knew what I was talking about, but he nonchalantly replied "I don't know. Sorry." 😉😂😂😂
@@akiane10 I know that, but these proportions make him look 4 feet; Tony Stark is 6'1 canonically, and Thor is 6'6. Logan looks to be about 2/3 the height of Tony here.
He's actually incredibly protective of mutants. Probably a big part from being alive as long as he is and being a lab experiment. Regardless the avengers get treated as celebrities and don't really get involved in any mutant civil rights
I feel like one of the few non-mutant heroes that Wolverine respects is Spider-Man. "They have no illusions about what I am, but you see me as a good person" paraphrased but essentially that comic was a beautiful character moment for both Wolverine and Spider-Man
I think the main reasons are, some of the avengers like Thor were born gods and they do cobsider mankind to be lesser, Wolverine definitely wouldnt like that, also the avengers probably reminded him of the weapon x program. The Avengers is alot more government controlled.
Humans came and killed the X-Men, The Avengers did nothing? Wolverine didnt seem to HATE them in the movie, but said it as if they were a bunch of losers or fake heroes. I don't think it's going to be explored more than that.
For Wolverine The Avengers is something he did, an X Man is something he is. There are some correlations in life that will show people exactly what I mean.
X-men if I was mutant and besides working with the avenegr would be problematic since they treat it like work more than helping The X-men is like home they treat you if you’re different and don’t even judge they just live together
That's why I grew more with the x-men because that's a family and that is also why the x-men are the most popular superhero team in the marvel universe cause they are a family they protect both kinds and they just want to show that you can use your gifts to make the world a better place and they accept you for who you are.
avengers play different role than the x-men they more cared about the law or are more dogs in chained by the gov while x-men makes their own rules and strides towards freedom if im correct they are no lap dogs..
Since people chose the comments to spit out theories, I'm gonna line up some possible spoilers, some would haves, and sew it all together based on here say and things already seen. Before Jonathon Majors fucked up, all these projects were setting up stuff to be centered around Kang, as you'll recall. Quantumania, Loki S2, and the end of X-Men '97, if you'll recall them ending up in ancient Egypt. Some dudes said apparently the original Wolverine for this movie was going to be from that show. It was going to feed more into the Kang plot. But, Majors happened. What this has to do with the Avengers hate from Logan is that it is expected that in the show they will be following the plotline that leads to Avengers vs X-Men. My guess is they might have been recruited to kill his team in his timeline. But, you get it.
He mentions the Avengers teams branching out a lot . . . The X-Men teams branched out just as much as the Avengers: Blue team, Gold team, X-Factor, New Mutants, X-Force, Generation X and a few smaller teams I am sure to be forgetting. You can even stretch to include teams like Excalibur, Exiles, and Alpha Flight if you really want.
I always thought that the reason Logan (Deadpool & Wolverine) hates the Avengers would be because they also tried to hunt him down after he ‘let down his entire world’.
Xmen was the fan base for years and years for GOOD reason. They have more powerful heroes and villains, but more than anything the have a much stronger sense of teamwork.
It's worth noting Wolverine isn't even close to most of his fellow X-Men. There's exceptions - Jean, Storm, Nightcrawler, Kitty, Jubilee - but there's more that one time when Wolverine doesn't align with the X-Men. See: Schism, or even the end of the Krakoa era. Likewise, there's some Avengers he's very close to - Captain America, Carol Danvers, and Black Widow. The later even calls him "Little Uncle".
You forget that Wolverine when Cap died in Civil War, Logan went out of his way to find anyone responsible and he not only found that damage control was responsible for the whole mess, but was making sure Cap was dead, which he didn’t believe. He even said to Tony he would kill him if he found out if Cap isn’t dead. This kind of goes with your argument that Wolverine is willing to kill Tony, but then again most heroes don’t like Tony. But Wolverine never done that with any of the X-Men or mutants the way he did for Steve.
Logan is literally on every team. Like he's friends with MOST people. He just does the batman loner act where they're terrible at actually being a loner Outright, his closest friend is Spider-Man of all people. And Hulk (not banner), Thing and Cap aren't far behind
From what he says in the movie, I am betting Logan killed the Avengers in his world. He said he turned all of humanity against the “X-men”. I took that as mutants. His story was that he went drinking and the humans came and killed everyone at the school. He went berserk. I can definitely see the Avengers coming to try to subdue him at first. Either getting disgusted and angry with what they saw, or berserker Wolverine attacked them in a rage. Humanity and the avenger could have killed off all the mutants and Logan killed off all the other super heroes. That could explain why the bartender was scared to serve him, but afraid to say no. It felt like there wasn’t anyone to call. And why he said “you are welcome here. You aren’t welcome anywhere”. Everyone in his world knows that no one can kill him. But his guilt is trying.
This version of Wolverine in particular, I think the Avengers helped kill all the X-men, so in the movie we're dealing with the "Wolverine kills the Marvel universe" version of Wolverine
I think the wolverine we got in the film, has a bit more than a bone to pick with the avengers in his world. Its clear the XMen got annihilated, and he was the only person to survive. The fact that he talks about them like the way he does, makes it sound like they didnt do jack squat to help the xmen in their time of need, and he blames them for it, just as he blames himself.
5:20 - 5:27 I disagree. But not because of heart, instead they cater to people who can can pass as human, or are strong enough to deal with negative public attention. Take the Morlocks for instance. They were offered a resettlement in society, but none took that offer as they didn't want to be in the eyes of normal humans. Charles has never really been one to earn enough wealth to just build a town for the hundreds of them. Then the writers off screen massacred the Morlocks, so they'd stop getting in the way of Storm being awesome.
I think Logan doesn’t like them is because he probably worked with them on save the world stuff and when his family needed them. They weren’t there to help.
frankly the avengers don't even like their fellow avengers they're co workers,an impromptu coalition,at the end of the day they disperse and resume their lives
There’s no need to overthink it. He doesnt hate the avengers personally. Its just the way his character is. He’s always been a lonewolf. He hated being in groups/teams, and would rather go off on his own. In a way, he’s anti-social. There’s no need to fkin make a whole 9min video about it LMFAO. Thats all there is to it lol
Because the Avengers dont necessarily identify as mutants. Logan sees them as mutants in denial being used.. They're basically hired by the government secret agency. If that agency decides to turn on mutants they could use the avengers to do it. They don't seem to share their same struggle in society like those who identify as mutants do. Naturally wolverine is skeptical about where their loyalties lay.
Two characters that should have never been Avengers: Wolverine and Spider-Man. Wolverine makes the least sense and Peter Parker spent decades being a loner and turning down multiple offers to join teams.
It boils down to their mutants just like him that’s all there is to it, but I don’t think Wolverine actually dislikes the avengers. I think he’s just more able to be. I guess you could say friendlier with the X-Men.
I feel like deep down he still has some respects for captain america, while the rest of the avengers he doesn't care about.
For sure . Out of all the avengers , Captain America is the one he relates and respects the most .
Of course he did! They fought in the same war, and have History with each other! I can imagine on the Boat ride to Normandy, they shared conversations and backed each other up like if their first meeting will be their last day on earth! I feel like They perhaps may not be friends, but deep respect for one another should definitely be there!
Captain America and Wolverine have met in WW2 so they have some history, and even if Wolverine lost his memories during the Weapon X project, he may still have some deep emotional pull to trust Cap.
Yeah but I mean, who DOESN'T respect Cap?
Except maybe Spiderman tho. I think both cap and Spiderman have hearts of gold and he appreciates that
Movie Wolverine said “F the Avengers” for one of two reasons: He either blames them for not being there when the X-Men were killed, or he came into direct conflict with them after he lost control when the X-Men were killed. Comics Wolverine doesn’t hate the Avengers. They’re not the same as the X-Men to him, but he certainly doesn’t hate them. He has too many good relationships with too many of the Avengers for that to be true. Captain America, Thor, Hercules, Black Widow, Captain Marvel, The Thing, Spider Woman, Spider-Man, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, etc are all legitimate friends of his. They were all friends before he even joined the team. There’s actually an issue where Wolverine was spiraling into depression and half of the Avengers showed up to pull him out of it. I think he had more of a kinship with the New Avengers roster than the main team…but there’s no general dislike there. All Stark had to do to get him on the team was bribe him with beer lol
I'm wondering if he came into conflict with them during his beserk rage and then they tried to offer him redepemtion and that's put him off. Since he disn't think he was worth it.
Whats the comic of the avengers helping Logan. I need to read it
@@brianaburch9854 that’s what I think happened.
@@5brags455 I’ll have to go and find it and get back to you. It was during the time period where Wolverine was dating Melita Garner…and after Wolverine was tricked into killing his evil kids that he didn’t know about. But I can’t remember the exact issue. But Cap, Iron Man, Thor, Cage and some of the other Avengers, X-Men and I think some of the FF come to show support.
That is reason Frank Castle AKA Punisher, and Logan AKA DUH.... Like Spider-Man. In fact Spidey may be Frank's one true friend in the Marvel Universe more so than Daredevil.
I never actually thought about it that way
Spider-man is like best friends with every hero.
Same with Eric Brooks/Blade
It's because Avengers didn't help Xmen when they get attack by a non mutant humans. You will know it while Logan talking about his PTSD to X-23 in the movie
To be fair a lot of them, I like self-contained stories even though they all took place in New York, and there are have so many heroes. You barely see any of them interact with each other because Reasons.
Yeah, In Secret Wars He Stands Up For Magneto Against Captain America, Because The Avengers Didn't Stand Up For Mutants Prior To That .
Honestly, this is probably why if I was in the Marvel Universe and was a superhero mutant then that's why I would want to join the X Men more than I would the Avengers. It feels like I'm fighting for something to believe in rather than just doing a job as a hero; while I would still do the latter, I would still want to stand for something when being on a superhero team.
I wouldnt want to join the x-men cause they are nothing like how they were in the early days and the fox movies. They are all jaded self preservationist fuck ups now. And kind of always have been.
He probably hates the avengers because of the superhuman registration act and all that civil war junk. That's probably why the humans were able to kill all the x-men in this world.
I’m guessing in their reality, when Cap refused to sign, which basically started the war, I think that’s when this version of Logan started becoming more distant with his X-Men family, witnessing another war but this time it’s close to home. And the day he went out drinking & coming back to everyone murdered is when probably the same day Cap & Ironman fought at the airport. Just a fun theory
Dude that would make a sick ass movie
@cruzinthruspace kinda like john wick.
Well, in the comics he was on Cap’s side.
@@cruzinthruspaceHmm, maybe the comics rings a bell?
There are more people on the Avengers roster than Logan has probably butted heads with before, while the X-Men you might get Scott and Charles from time to time but they are his family.
It’s not so much the avengers he dislikes. There’s probably two major factors that go into it really. One is Logan is a mutant, first and foremost. Mutants are looked down on as test subjects more than anything. They’re the underground heroes, the ones who have a more negative rep. Even the X-men’s intentions were questioned by the government more times than not even tho Charles legitimately wanted to save people. Whereas the avengers were always advertised in a way more positive light. Every member of the avengers were basically celebrities. Captain America being the face of that, they were just always seen more positively. I think Logan recognizes that and probably has some ill feelings about how much better they’re seen by the public versus the X-men. Secondly, he HAS been recruited by the avengers multiple times and each time he felt more like an asset of theirs more than he did a trusted ally. He feels alienated by them. Therefore, he doesn’t feel like he’s a part of that family.
that's exactly the double standard Logan hates. Captain America, Hulk, Winter soldier...are all test subjects of US gov or military, they're technically mutants too except celestial beings like Thor or human heroes like Inronman
Was gonna say isnt siderman a mutant too @0matters
@@486veR I mean, he's been mutated, yeah, so he could classify as a mutant normally. Thing is, you only ever really get classified as a mutant in Marvel if you have an active mutant gene (or X-gene, I can't remember which it's called), which Peter and the other heroes in the Avengers don't have. They were mutated through accidents or experiments, whereas the X-Men and other mutants had that mutated gene the moment they were born, and at some point in their life, it activated.
@@sebastianfontanez1081 scartlet witch and her brother are mutants?
@@0matters They're meant to be, yes, and typically they are Magneto's children. Though the MCU changed their origin since obviously they didn't have the rights to the X-Men, Magnero, and Mutants as a whole, so although Fox let the MCU use Wanda and Pietro, they couldn't make them mutants at ths time, since then it would complicate things with Fox and the X-Men characters. Though around the same time as Age of Ultron, Marvel Comics retconned their origin in the comics to make it so they weren't "true" mutants, but rather beings experimented on by the High Evolutionary to have the mutant gene. I'm not sure if that retcon is still canon or not.
I believe that you have nailed it straight on. You rightfully describe the AVENGERS, as a job, and far less personal. The X-MEN, literally are his adopted family..brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, aunts and uncles, and-so-on. As you said, he cares for them all, young and old.
Wolverine is my favorite character in comics, in my opinion he has a lot on his mind, and I guess family is more important when he needs them the most... The X - MEN is my favorite comic when I was growing up the Avengers came in second...
In the movies the Avengers became my favorite and the X-MEN came in second.. My favorite artist in the X-MEN comics is Jim Lee, I liked it when he did the Artwork in the 90 ' s..
My favorite storyline is Blood Ties where the X-MEN and the Avengers had to work together as a team... Too bad Wolverine wasn't in it, but he wasn't in it because of the Fatal Attraction Storyline before it.. Logan had to take a vacation away from the X - MEN because Magneto liquefied his adamantium and yanked the whole metal at of him which made him feel emotionally useless to his family..
That is what I have always loved about the X-men. They are a family. And even if Wolvie leaves and does his own thing for a little while he always comes home eventually. Like Casandra said in the Deadpool Wolverine movie "Charles really loved you," as she said that to Logan I teared up. It was so true. I think Charles Xavier had a special place in his heart or Logan because often times Wolverine would seem so lost, yet so loyal. Although they fought and disagreed, they were still family.
If i were a hero in the marvel universe and was good enough to be in the avengers i would definitely do it but i can see how it seems more like a job than it does a team. Kinda like playing on a major league ball team compared to playing in little League with all your closest friends.
I imagine that the avengers do have some kind of bond other than that of coworkers and more like brothers in arms but when it comes to the X-Men or the fantastic 4 that's a family like kind of team. Both kinds of teams are needed in that universe but the family type bond will always be stronger
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I'll be honest. Being a superhero in the Marvel Universe has SOME Merits, overall...it sucks. The people there hate you and despise you if you're either a Mutant or a certain wall crawler, the teams Do not work well with each other unless the need arises and often times will butt heads all day, everyday more often than not.
While I love Marvel heroes and love it more when they work together as actual heroes and teams...the stagnation and constant "Oh, we have to have Mutants be hated and the others heroes treat them differently despite all the times we've helped each other." Status quo is bullshit. Nuff Said.
For me, I'd probably work with Doctor Doom if I were in The Marvel Universe.
Amen to that
Being a human with no powers is far worse than being a super hero in the marvel universe but yeah I agree. The status quo they have sucks. I honestly don't think X-Men and Avengers should be in the same universe if they insist to keep the downtrodden mutants status quo a thing because it just ends up making the avengers look bad and the fans of the heroes on that team deserve better.
@@redram6080 EXACTLY!
Now I'll be honest. I started out as a fan of the X-Men at first but wound up finding myself more of a fan of The Avengers and F4 as time went on. Because more times than not. The X-Men usually have the same repetitive story, yes, so do the other teams.
But for me, there's only so much Mutant Hating, Mutant Oppression bullcrap I can take in comics before I'm just like "Shut Up Already!" So yeah, much as I love all three teams.
Either The X-Men and Mutants get their own separate universe where this mutant hating crap can continue on end without making everyone's other favorite superheroes look bad and make you feel bad for being a fan of those teams because of it. Or I'm just never picking up another issue of there pertaining to Mutants. Cause I'm at my wits end, either give us something new that's not Krakoa and actually have Mutants gain acceptance...or just remove them entirely.
Their stories worked back in the day, but now, like a lot of things, feels WAY too in your face.
Sorry for the rant. Just frustrated with how Marvel insists on running them.
I can kinda see both sides of this, but in general, it all boils down to one thing. The way the X-Men and mutants are looked down upon is a play on our fear of the unknown. In the Marvel Universe, how mutants came to be is still relatively unknown depending on the iteration, as well as the fact that mutant abilities are so varied, and sometimes extremely destructive.
That being said, if you look at mutants in the DC universe, most mutants are monstrous, and destructive as well, though there are a few that only want to be left alone, and only lash out when disturbed.
Honestly, I would like to see a series that starts out with the X-Men being feared and discriminated against, but over time people begin to trust them, and treat them as people. We need more stories with positive outcomes. If you look at a lot of movies, series, and what not today, from those that I have seen, most have ambiguous or sad endings. I'm certain that most people would want something positive over something negative.
@@fenrirgaming37
Agreed
X-MEN, Punisher, and Berserk. That is all.
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you forgot more... but its okay..
@@brockly7916 Haha, it was a drunk post. I don't even know what I was thinking when I posted it. I'll have to watch the video again to see if it makes any sense😆
Endure, struggler. For that alone is the blade of one who cheats death
Berserk ❤
Justice felt the same way. He liked and thought more fondly of the New Warriors than Avengers.
For similar reasons that the Avengers feel more like a job than say a family like the New Warriors.
Like he said "X-men would take anyone."
I think you summed it up quite well.
I concur.
Yeah, Wolverine would rather die for his family, than die forhis 9 to 5. I can respect that.
Bro, youve got a new channel. Awesome! Still stupendous wave till I die.
My biggest question is why Deadpool felt more inclined to join the Avengers after rejecting being an official X-Men member
In short.
X-men is more of a family
Avengers are more like being a soldier.
X-men are fighting racism
Avengers are fighting wars.
The Fantastic Four. I always loved exploring.
I cant remember the issue, but i remember seeing an image of ironman saying that xenophobia was ok and wolvie was like hold the f up, what?
Tony always make fun of his team and always want to start a fight
Tony Stark is a true narcissist. He has a moral compass (at least after his ordeal in the desert), but he's still mostly insufferable to be around for any length of time, and he doesn't try to hide his ego at all.
Logan has always been a pretty down-to-Earth, humble sort of guy, with too much survivors guilt to ever think he's better than anyone else.
Polar opposites personality wise imo
Just off the information from this video, my answer would be The Fantastic 4 because they are small net group. If you want to be seen it’s much easier to be seen as a big fish in a little pond vs. a big fish in the ocean 🤷🏾♂️
I have always liked Wolverine's Loner nature , I respect that about the character 🔥
I agree with these descriptions 100%. Neither is better than the other. They are both just their own thing.
4:41 what?? Great Lakes Avengers?? I was excited for a second. And wondering why I never heard of them. Then I looked them up. I see now. lol.
X-Men, hands down.The Avengers are too bureaucratic for my tastes, and they've conflicted with the X-Men before on sensitive topics/issues, such as the Superhuman Registration Act, as well as other conflicts regarding mutant rights and their persecution from humans.
Iron Man and Captain America have supported actions like these, but not necessarily the same ones. Steve Rogers opposed the Superhuman Regristration Act while Iron Man supported it. This was seen in the "Civil War" story line, as well as the Captain America: Civil War film, where the act was called the Sokovia Accords that were established in light of what occurred in the "Rise of Ultron" becuz of Tony and Bruce's arrogance resulting in the creation of Ultron and the destruction and deaths that followed. Some of that had been the fault of Helmut Zemo, to be fair, but regardless.
There was also a storyline of the Avengers vs the X-Men over a Mutant Registration Act. Steve had actually supported it, earning him the ire of Cyclops, who accused Captain America of supporting bigotries towards mutants by his support of the act, saying "You want us to register for being born"
Something similar also occurred in Agents of SHIELD, where SHIELD kept an "Index" on individuals with unique abilities. When the Inhumans of Afterlife were discovered, the SHIELD higher-ups, including Coulson, insisted on registering the Inhumans, which Sky opposed, leading to conflicts between them. The fears of the inhumans being registered regrettably came true when HYDRA, along with Lash, tracked down and captured inhumans to be used as living weapons while Lash went on a killing spree of any inhumans he could find regardless of who they were and what they used their powers for
The point is, lists of superhumans are always an iffy idea becuz those lists can be compromised and fall into the wrong hands
I view the Avengers as better than SHIELD, but not all that much to be honest.
So again, for me, it's the X-Men, hands down.
I feel like in almost every imaginable world filled with regular humans, having an index of people with unique abilities is an extremely sane idea.
We as comic book readers/comic book based movies fans may only look into the subject from these superheroes' perspective, but I as a human wouldn't want to live in a world where these beings can potentially go berserk without us having a contingency plan against them based on their abilities.
@@NadimShaikh-qv7zj Absolute facts.
@@NadimShaikh-qv7zj Well of course, every superhuman still has to be held accountable for their actions, especially if they abuse their powers. In which case, it'd be sorta like being put on the registry of sex offenders, only its a registry for superpowered offenders
Great video man top marks 👏👏👏
Avengers are loved while x-men are feared
He dislikes or hate the avengers is because I'm the mcu where both x men and avengers exist but yet there was no one in sight to help the xmen when they died if they stick to the story they created with mcu wolverine storyline which would make the most since
X men for sure gym with colossus and cyclops by day bars with logan and gambit by night and goofing off with rogue, nightcrawler and shadowcat somewhere in between. Best life right there.
So I don't know about Comic Book Wolverine, but when it comes to the story being told in Deadpool and Wolverine, he blatantly tells us that after humanity came for and murdered the X-Men, Wolverine started going on a killing spree, and even killed innocents. With that kind of backstory, and the fact that he's a regenerative killing machine, it's highly likely he was labelled an Avengers-level threat. So more than likely, the reason that particular version of Wolverine would hate the Avengers is probably because they were adversaries.
I don't think he hates them. I just think he looks at them as a bunch of individuals not a team. Where he looks at the Xman as a team/family.
Great video ❤
Dude, how long have you had this gem of a YT channel? I’ve been watching your other channel The Stupendous Wave for a couple (maybe several) years now and just now discovered this channel. I was like “wait a minute, I recognize that voice.” I went to the main page of this channel and saw that Stupendous Wave was there at the bottom. I was like, “whaaaaaaat?!”
A great comic to see the relationship between Cap, Wolverine and Black Widow, is Uncanny X-Men #268.
It tells a modern story of a team up of the three, while giving flashbacks of the WW2 incident where Cap met Logan, and they teamed up to save a then Child Natasha from the Hand, and The Nazis. Great issue, 10/10 Definitely recommend.
Because this version of Wolverine comes from the Universe with Avengers and Mutants exists.
This variant comes from the comics titled, "Avengers and the Xmen" which was released early 2012.
Never knew Wolverine was an avengers
Hard to find a hero in Marvel that hasn't been in the Avengers at some point.
well everyone is essentially in avenger in the marvel universe but there are members that are active everyday in the team while others are only active in a very big world problem.
He joined the team in the 2005 run of new avengers and has been a member ever since, he even sided with the avengers over the X-men during the avengers vs X-men event
X-men and it’s not close
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Damn right
@@darkclaymore2135 facts
But Thor is a problem maybe storm can mess him up? Cap can be Xaiers mind control. Letting the Hulk and Loganand Rogue Duke it out. Ironman against Gambit is interesting. If the Avengers have vision tho. Lights out
@@SmashKing17 i respect your perspective, I disagree wholeheartedly, Steve Rodgers ain’t touching Professor X, Hulk ain’t touching Rogue , Ironman?? Jean Grey would wash him and the rest of the Avengers solo
I feel like the Avengers just can't win with the X-Men. They get accused of doing nothing for mutants, but when they try to help the X-Men they get told to get stuffed as its a mutant situation.
The X-Men know that the Avengers are friendly having several members of the X-Men on their roster. Hell even the Unity Squad was Cap's idea to prove that mutants and human can work together. The only time I think the Avengers handled a situation poorly was during AvsX, but that was because Cap went to Wolverine for advice on how to handle the Phoenix.
I was in Liechtenstein years ago and couldn't help myself.
With a wry smile on my face I politely asked one of the soldier guards in front of one of the stately mansions there... "Excuse me, can you tell me where Victor Von Doom's castle is?"
I'm not sure if he knew what I was talking about, but he nonchalantly replied "I don't know. Sorry." 😉😂😂😂
I would definitely join the X-Men
Simply put - XMen made him feel like he was a part of a family
Avengers made him feel an outsider
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Seems like the Avengers have the Justice League problem they are a team but that doesn't leave much room for personal bonds
He has a good friendship with Carol Danvers.
Yup…because with Pete, he help people casually, being spiderman. Unlike most avengers only fight on occasions.
He likes the X men far better
2:34 why is he so short?
He’s always been short, but it would look silly in the animations
He is 5'3 canonically
Logan is infamously short.
@@akiane10 I know that, but these proportions make him look 4 feet; Tony Stark is 6'1 canonically, and Thor is 6'6. Logan looks to be about 2/3 the height of Tony here.
@@malachuck yea I think it's too short, in the movie it's not 5'3
He's actually incredibly protective of mutants. Probably a big part from being alive as long as he is and being a lab experiment.
Regardless the avengers get treated as celebrities and don't really get involved in any mutant civil rights
I feel like one of the few non-mutant heroes that Wolverine respects is Spider-Man. "They have no illusions about what I am, but you see me as a good person" paraphrased but essentially that comic was a beautiful character moment for both Wolverine and Spider-Man
This video was lit 🔥🔥🔥
I think the main reasons are, some of the avengers like Thor were born gods and they do cobsider mankind to be lesser, Wolverine definitely wouldnt like that, also the avengers probably reminded him of the weapon x program. The Avengers is alot more government controlled.
It’s a huge disservice that during the 2010s Marvel tried to distance Spider-Man from the Fantastic Four and paid him more with Iron Man in the comics
Spiderman has a friendship with hulk.
There are a lot of cases in the comics at least where Wolverine sided with the Avengers over the X-men. Especially the Phoenix 5 comic arc run.
I love this video
Humans came and killed the X-Men, The Avengers did nothing? Wolverine didnt seem to HATE them in the movie, but said it as if they were a bunch of losers or fake heroes. I don't think it's going to be explored more than that.
X-Men. I know how Wolverine feels
For Wolverine The Avengers is something he did, an X Man is something he is. There are some correlations in life that will show people exactly what I mean.
X-men if I was mutant and besides working with the avenegr would be problematic since they treat it like work more than helping
The X-men is like home they treat you if you’re different and don’t even judge they just live together
That's why I grew more with the x-men because that's a family and that is also why the x-men are the most popular superhero team in the marvel universe cause they are a family they protect both kinds and they just want to show that you can use your gifts to make the world a better place and they accept you for who you are.
avengers play different role than the x-men they more cared about the law or are more dogs in chained by the gov while x-men makes their own rules and strides towards freedom if im correct they are no lap dogs..
The Avengers is for Marvel what the justice League is for DC a group of individual superheroes working together to stop a big threat ❗👍 😁
Since people chose the comments to spit out theories, I'm gonna line up some possible spoilers, some would haves, and sew it all together based on here say and things already seen.
Before Jonathon Majors fucked up, all these projects were setting up stuff to be centered around Kang, as you'll recall.
Quantumania, Loki S2, and the end of X-Men '97, if you'll recall them ending up in ancient Egypt.
Some dudes said apparently the original Wolverine for this movie was going to be from that show.
It was going to feed more into the Kang plot.
But, Majors happened.
What this has to do with the Avengers hate from Logan is that it is expected that in the show they will be following the plotline that leads to Avengers vs X-Men. My guess is they might have been recruited to kill his team in his timeline.
But, you get it.
He mentions the Avengers teams branching out a lot . . . The X-Men teams branched out just as much as the Avengers: Blue team, Gold team, X-Factor, New Mutants, X-Force, Generation X and a few smaller teams I am sure to be forgetting. You can even stretch to include teams like Excalibur, Exiles, and Alpha Flight if you really want.
I always thought that the reason Logan (Deadpool & Wolverine) hates the Avengers would be because they also tried to hunt him down after he ‘let down his entire world’.
Fantastic Four
Xmen was the fan base for years and years for GOOD reason. They have more powerful heroes and villains, but more than anything the have a much stronger sense of teamwork.
X-men. As a white person, I know what it's like to experience racism, especially lately, in this political climate.
Lol
Lmao stop
You are NOT oppressed the xmen were written for minority representation lmao
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white people experience racism just like every other ethnic group, wtf are y'all saying 😅😅
Hulk and Wolverine fought over a cake. Nuff said.
I agree with him, Avengers is so boring.
It's worth noting Wolverine isn't even close to most of his fellow X-Men. There's exceptions - Jean, Storm, Nightcrawler, Kitty, Jubilee - but there's more that one time when Wolverine doesn't align with the X-Men. See: Schism, or even the end of the Krakoa era. Likewise, there's some Avengers he's very close to - Captain America, Carol Danvers, and Black Widow. The later even calls him "Little Uncle".
You forget that Wolverine when Cap died in Civil War, Logan went out of his way to find anyone responsible and he not only found that damage control was responsible for the whole mess, but was making sure Cap was dead, which he didn’t believe. He even said to Tony he would kill him if he found out if Cap isn’t dead. This kind of goes with your argument that Wolverine is willing to kill Tony, but then again most heroes don’t like Tony. But Wolverine never done that with any of the X-Men or mutants the way he did for Steve.
Logan is literally on every team. Like he's friends with MOST people. He just does the batman loner act where they're terrible at actually being a loner
Outright, his closest friend is Spider-Man of all people. And Hulk (not banner), Thing and Cap aren't far behind
X-Men. Mostly because, being Non-Binary, I think I can relate to them a lot more.
Also every time the x men are in danger the avengers almost never show up to help them and not to mention they've fought each other before too
It’s a set up for X-Men vs Avengers in the future.
From what he says in the movie, I am betting Logan killed the Avengers in his world. He said he turned all of humanity against the “X-men”. I took that as mutants. His story was that he went drinking and the humans came and killed everyone at the school. He went berserk. I can definitely see the Avengers coming to try to subdue him at first. Either getting disgusted and angry with what they saw, or berserker Wolverine attacked them in a rage. Humanity and the avenger could have killed off all the mutants and Logan killed off all the other super heroes. That could explain why the bartender was scared to serve him, but afraid to say no. It felt like there wasn’t anyone to call. And why he said “you are welcome here. You aren’t welcome anywhere”. Everyone in his world knows that no one can kill him. But his guilt is trying.
Didn't the Avengers hunt mutants too, I remember that in one of the comics
Yea in the comics I seen Spider-Man always going to fanatics 4 a lot even about the black suit
As awesome as the Avengers are, X-Men and the Fantastic Four are more family oriented, with the former having more diverse than the latter.
4:46 the X Men has also done that too
This version of Wolverine in particular, I think the Avengers helped kill all the X-men, so in the movie we're dealing with the "Wolverine kills the Marvel universe" version of Wolverine
I think the wolverine we got in the film, has a bit more than a bone to pick with the avengers in his world. Its clear the XMen got annihilated, and he was the only person to survive. The fact that he talks about them like the way he does, makes it sound like they didnt do jack squat to help the xmen in their time of need, and he blames them for it, just as he blames himself.
Yeah, more often than not Avengers sit back and do nothing when mutants are getting massacred.
In the Void he said " Mutants R never save "
5:20 - 5:27 I disagree. But not because of heart, instead they cater to people who can can pass as human, or are strong enough to deal with negative public attention. Take the Morlocks for instance. They were offered a resettlement in society, but none took that offer as they didn't want to be in the eyes of normal humans. Charles has never really been one to earn enough wealth to just build a town for the hundreds of them.
Then the writers off screen massacred the Morlocks, so they'd stop getting in the way of Storm being awesome.
I think Logan doesn’t like them is because he probably worked with them on save the world stuff and when his family needed them. They weren’t there to help.
Maybe in his time line Maybe thevX-Men vs Avengers had taken place
frankly the avengers don't even like their fellow avengers
they're co workers,an impromptu coalition,at the end of the day they disperse and resume their lives
There’s no need to overthink it. He doesnt hate the avengers personally.
Its just the way his character is. He’s always been a lonewolf.
He hated being in groups/teams, and would rather go off on his own.
In a way, he’s anti-social. There’s no need to fkin make a whole 9min video about it LMFAO. Thats all there is to it lol
= He wasn’t invited either…
Is Jon Bernthal's Punisher in the MCU yet? I'd love to see that cameo at some point
yes with dare devil where u been ?
Because the Avengers dont necessarily identify as mutants. Logan sees them as mutants in denial being used.. They're basically hired by the government secret agency. If that agency decides to turn on mutants they could use the avengers to do it. They don't seem to share their same struggle in society like those who identify as mutants do.
Naturally wolverine is skeptical about where their loyalties lay.
Avengers is an organization, Xmen is more like a family... compared to mine a saner one actually.
Two characters that should have never been Avengers: Wolverine and Spider-Man. Wolverine makes the least sense and Peter Parker spent decades being a loner and turning down multiple offers to join teams.
It boils down to their mutants just like him that’s all there is to it, but I don’t think Wolverine actually dislikes the avengers. I think he’s just more able to be. I guess you could say friendlier with the X-Men.
Spider Man is one of the few the Hulk actually likes
If you want the movie reason, it's most likely it's because they didn't save the mutants and the X-Men when the humans attacked & killed them