The Alpha Legion EXPLAINED - Why Were They on Horus' Side in The Horus Heresy?
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I would be very happy if you like and share my video. May the Emperor Protect You.
No problem! But I don't think even The Emperor can protect the bad writing that justified Alpharius siding with Horus.
Music name?
Namatjira- "Why are you doing this"
Alpharius- "For the emporer"
FOR THE EMPEROR!! Kinda.
So you are told.
But...
all of this is a lie!
My Favorite Line from The Book Legion
The reason the Alpha Legion sided with Horus is because they couldn’t get a good enough writer to fully flesh them out. They were completely squandered the entire heresy and then John French came along and did away with the most interesting thing the Alpha Legion had: two primarchs.
🤔
Didn't Dan Abnett write Legion?
Not to mention the absolutely brain dead plan from the Aeldar. “What if Chaos wins so hard they kill everyone?”
@@BR-dy1ie They think that it will win so hard it will kill every human. Nuance.
The Aeldars think they will get away with it. Of course, it's not as smart as they think it is, but it still better.
@@alpharius4434 But even with that being their express hope, chaos isn’t going to collapse instantaneously. Which leaves At minimum like a hundred years of chaotic warbands being given free reign to massacre all life they encounter. The aeldar would by hyper screwed in this plan.
"Wow, we really exterminated chaos. It cost us everything, but it was worth it"
*bug noises*
😅😅
Well, without the Pharos incident, perhaps that this little Tyranid thing wouldn't have even happened...
Oof!
The golden throne is drawing in the bugs like a giant lamp.
@@khartog01is this a theory?
The species that came next: "Horay the Alpha legion destroyed all of humanity, BUT also destroyed all of Chaos, now there's no humanity or Chaos to get in the way of us who'll have a much more peaceful life"
30 Unobstructed Hive fleets: "Bonjour."
Some spooky skeletons waking up "Hallo"
The greenskins: "A tame t fogt al this sit. Da boyz fogt"
I dont speak orchis tried my best to butcher some english and add something of Da Boyz.
Well Necrons would still be around. And the Orks would likely show back up. Due to how all of those factions work, Tau would probably be kaput (since Orks and Necrons would likely do what they do). The Votann may still be around depending on time table. But even Votann and Tau wouldn't be able to check Tyranids (they both care to much about their people in the short term to burn out systems for a fire wall and are to small to effectively counter Tyranid incursion (same with Eldar, Drukarhi may have issues with less appropriate victims).
So I guess the question is what happens first. Tyranids eat everything and are populous enough (or decide to attack sleeping tomb worlds). Necrons wake-up in enough numbers to take the galaxy. Or orks move to proto-Krorks. I mean war of the beast may happen even after humanity dies, and no imperium would mean they spread farther. But if the Tyranids can send enough forces, that would benefit the nids.kids.
But basically a 3 way struggle between bugs, orks, and Terminators.
I love how this comment can imply that the Nids are French.
“So if the Emperor wins then humanity is still doomed within ten centuries.”
“Correct.”
“And if Horus wins, then Chaos will burn itself out and be destroyed, but humanity is also destroyed.”
“Also correct.”
“So … why do anything … at all?”
“Because for the Emperor.”
A loose transcription of a scene in The Lost and the Damned between an Alpha Legionnaire and one of their mortal agents.
It make 0 sense lmao
Like :
-you want to destroy chaos ?
Yes
-for what ?
-the emperor
-but you need to kill the emperor for that
-fair enough, im gonna blasting the loyalist
Not mention than for one of the smartest legion, they never asked themselves :
-if we join the imperium, maybe we gonna have more chance to destroy chaos and save the emperor no ?
"for the emperor" means "for long lasting humanity" in this context
@@Scarletraven87
Still
One of the smartest legion be like :
-yeah humanity deff gonna have more chance to live without half ot theirs primarchs and the Emperor and by going friendly with chaos force
"What if we join the emperor and turn the tides enough he doesn't become a corpse somehow? Or what if we find a way for horus to give up?" No don't do those things.
You have to remember that the Alpha legion’s original goals and motives got lost in time because unlike the other traitor marines - they didn’t flee to the warp where time gets weird - they actually stayed in realspace for 10.000 years. Now all they know is they’re enemies of the Imperium.
John grammaticus sounds like a character from a 90s computer game that teaches you elementary school level English
His character is actually a bad ass. Legion is one of my fav Horus heresy novels
This story becomes really weird when you consider the scene in one story where The Emperor and Malcador play what is essentially Chess with certain pieces representing Primarchs/Legions in their early stages, before sides were fully established. They took turns representing both the Loyalists and Traitor factions. In almost every case, whichever side that had and lost The Alpha Legion/Alpharius Omegon would lose outright. It's part of the reason we don't fully know if the Alpha Legion is traitor or not.
any clue what book this is from?
How very 40k, even in the good ending, everyone fuckin dies 😂
lol
The battle cry of the Alpha Legion is "Hydra Dominatus"...
That... is the single DUMBEST f***ing reason for siding with Chaos that I have ever heard. Man, Rogal was right to turn Alpharius into a Primarch-kebab over this!
Yes, the end of Chaos as they know it is the dumbest reason to side with Chaos. Almost sounds like something some individuals do in the 41st millennium...
Oh wait, they do.
:))
You mean omegon
I kinda get it. The former option just means they die. The latter means they take their enemies with em.
It was Omegon
And then Alpharius and Omegon said "well try door number 3"
Mr Cabal man also neglected to mention that this would only happen if the Emperor was mortally wounded and put on the throne but hey.
Imperial Guard - "For The Emperor!"
Loyalist Space Marines - "For the Emperor!"
Alpha Legion and Emperor's Children - For The Emperor!"
Imperial guard and LSM's "Hold up.. wait a minute!"
Contexts for the Emperor's children?
@@Reiner547same I need context
@@Reiner547 Just out of spite as they were the only legion allowed to wear and use aquilas as they were so perfect.
The Alpha Legion had a funny way of showing loyalty in the game Dawn of War
I don't remember it.
There are a couple of warbands that are chaos
It's been confirmed in a book that the alpha legion is just as fractured as every other traitor legion and just as confused as everyone else when it comes to their goals, with alpharius dead and omegon missing none of them literally have any idea on what they're supposed to be doing, so each of their splinter groups are doing their own thing
The funniest thing is that everyone thinks they're playing 4D chess, and that every action they do, victory, defeat, infiltration, friendly fire incident, is part of their 10000IQ plan for ultimate victory, when in actuality they've been winging it after Omegon went missing and everyone involved only knew a piece of the plan and they've already done it
The book that reveals this is Harrowmaster I believe, it's a pretty recent book (For 40K standards)
@@grantdelosangeles5357 So basically "They cant know of our next move, if we dont know out next move"
@@grantdelosangeles5357how do we know Omegon leading/manipulating his legion from the shadows?
Alright kids, say it with me this time. ALL THE HOMIES HATE JOHN GRAMMATICUS
They talk like big H would have enough of brain to fight off chaos if he beats big E.
Couldn't even fight off a fever dream
Alpha Legionare: "How do we tell who are the good guys and who are the bad guys?"
Alpharius: "The bad guys are the ones shooting at you."
Myees i am JOHN GRAMMATICUS!!
HYDRA DOMINATUS
"Why are you doing this?"
*decloaks
"HONHONHONHON
I always wonder about the other two forgotten Primarchs and if they still have a purpose.
Well there is just one problem. You never know with the Alpha Legion. After all it the Alpha Legion.
Is Alpharius realy dead or did Omegon die? You don't know for cirtand.
And although the actions of the Alpha Legion during the Horus Heresy were so smart, but ultimatly fruitless.
Maybe they were tripple agents?
Or one of their Primarcs was loyal and the other a traitor.
That is the thing you never know with the Alpha Legion.
Alpha legion. Confusion of the highest order.
So what im getting is that if the alpha legion sided with the emperor, eventually humankind will die out and chaos would still live. And if the alpha legion sided with horus, eventually he would see his wrongs and ultimately end the chaos gods and humanity which is better than chaos just living after humanities death.
I guess we will see if humanity dies out in the 50k, if not, they were fooled
While you’re partially correct, humanities know for their ability to overcome great adversity by evolving and becoming better than we we were before when the odds are stacked against us and we’re backed into the corner.
So essentially the Horus route wouldn’t allow us to evolve. Whatever semblance of humanity remained if Horus had won. Even if he truly did somehow banish the chaos corrupting him on a fundamental levels. It would eventually result in the same thing happening over and over again.
Why? “Those who do not heed history are inevitably doomed to repeat it.” So the emperor by and large is the best possible chance still.
Basically yes, Horus would go insane with guilt and become so disgusted with everyone that sided with him that he would kill them all, either way humanity falls, its just a question of do you want long slow death that makes chaos stronger or a quick death that deprives chaos of their victory.
@@IxChestyLaRuexI there’s no guarantee chaos would win. Especially with Cawl and Gulliman in charge of the main major factions. I believe Cawl can make blackstone pylons. As he created essentially two primarchs which was an accomplishment thought only possible with the emperors hands himself. So nothing is out of the realm of possibilities.
Along with the fact the very obviously the argument could be made: “hey even if the necrons made the idea of this. It was simply for humans to claim and use for their own needs in the name of the omnisia.
@@TemptationsEndHumanity wouldn't be able to evolve because Humanity would be dead. That's the point. No Humanity means that most of the fodder for the chaos gods would be gone, and it would be far easier for them to be killed. Versus what the emperor Humanity would be very much weakened but still be alive, to slowly dwindle out. Enough times for the chaos gods to latch onto another major race
“I didn’t betray the Imperium, the Imperium betrayed me”
Grammaticus is the single worst character in all of 40k. This is such a bad plotline that it’s infuriating
His name fucking Grammaticus. It sounds like a bad joke some nerd made 😂
Weak plot line huh, maybe, but fast forward to the point where the concern lay with a resurrected Emperor being corrupted…
Horus and his legions may not have been right, but they were not wrong!
Ironically enough, John Grammaticus would agree with you. Half way through the Heresy he regretted his roll with the cabal and spent the entire rest second half of the Heresy trying to fix it. Turns out to be fairly crucial/impactful by the end of Siege of Terra series.
Omega chose the wisest.. chose not to choose either side....
Legion, the 7th book in the Horus Heresy book series, is one of my favorites of the whole series it easily has some of the best characters in the whole HH series like Hurtado Bronzi, John Grammaticus, and Dinas Chayne. It's an incredible read.
Agreed! It's an enthralling read
Hurtado Bronzi was and still is one of my favorite characters.
@@Cooperius_magnus I fugging agree
"Hey, Omegon. My name is Sean Algebraest. You should side with the Imperium and help out your brother Primarchs, they'd be glad to see you and you could tell them that Alpharius bullied you into doing all the bad things, and they'd be cool with it. Also, I know this because a space lizard monk cult dude told me, and I KNOW you're good with taking advice from alien randos."
There. Fixed it.
Something I never understood was why the chaos gods would be destroyed if humanity was wiped out, because as long as the Eldari exist, so would Slannesh.
Hey everyone that's me on the video Alpharius.
No bro Im Alpharius
@@alteredbeast7145 No we are Alpharius
For the Star Child!
Only that right now the legion seems to be split between those who were corrupted by chaos and are chaos space marines and those who stayed loyal and have long since abandoned that mission, to help Horus win. They abandoned it well before Horus died.
i realy hope the Tyranid Hive Fleet which can kill and consume Demons , will kick Chaos Gods rotten Smelly Balls.
And how many alpha legionaries are out there in stasis waiting for a an ‘activation’ word to decide which side they fight on ….
Eh that was a gamble at best....by the end there was very little of Horus left by the end...
I love the alpha legion but from the start of their existence they wrote themselves into a corner with them
He is named Grammaticus due to the uncomprehensible understanding of language to understand the Alpha Legion
The biggest mystery in the lore that could have been a whole hell of a lot better than what they got.
They joined both sides. Alpharius changed name to Omegon and joined the loyalists, Omegon changed name to Alpharius and went full chaos, but was killed by Dorn, so his group of Alpha Legion is actual chaos worshippers
I think the point was that they would choose both. One Primarch would remain loyal while the other falls to chaos, thereby potentially finding a middle ground between both possibilities.
I wouldn't mind seeing a Punished Horus storyline.
We now know the Alpha Legion did not side with Chaos. They sided with the emperor.
Some did. Plain and simple. By choice or by code word trigger
"I am Alpharius, This is a LIE" all you need to know
Hydra Dominatus
'Have you ever wondered why the Alpha Legion sided with Horus during the Heresy/'
"Nah I don't think even the Alpha Legion themselves know why"
Kinda curious that the Nids and Necrons are totally left out from that prophecy. It's like The Cabal weren't an all-knowing organization they advertised themselves as..
...and they believe him? some smartness in alfa legion
So horus can defeat chaos, but the emperor can't... Makes perfect sense...
Just as halpharius pland all along
It does, because the Emperor never tried destroying chaos by using the rivalry of the main 4 gods
Yo what song is this playing?
When they were going against the white scars they were very confusing with their approach, the white scars did not know what to think of the fleet, they didn't know about who were traitors who were loyal, but the way Alpha approached them, with no vox communication, except one thing they said but I forgot what it was, it was all confusing, they got avoided by the white scars who started their run for terra.
Underrated plot twist
Just remember guys, knife-ear bastards created slaanesh and awakened other chaos gods from their slumber
Not because they wanted to, but because they HAD to
Aren't the chaos gods like ... Manifestations of emotions, thoughts, and experience? Like humans didn't blood make them. They began to form way back with the war on heaven. Humans going extinct wouldn't kill them. Just make them weaker till another species took over.
John Grammaticus vs James Workshop: The Battle of the Millennia
And in the current era pretty much no Alpha legionaires are left and no one has any clue what they were trying to do.
what if the three headed hydra is their coat of arms because the primarchs were triplets and not twins??
Alpharius, Omegon and Sigmarius
I am not so sure that the Alpha Legion stood by Horus... Try again with Dark Angels
Everything Geamaticus touch turns to shit.
Who are you kidding? The alpha legion are loyalists.
"For the Emperor" Is Emperors Children. Alpha Legion is hydra dominus.
Yeah, just super feed the chaos gods, because that surely is perfectly enougth to kill them and absolutely no side effect would occur from that
Wheels within wheels within wheels within etc
What the hell, Grammaticus. You can't tell them half truths like this. That guy is the worst.
Alpharius had the dumbest reason to side with the traitors .Listening to a xenos in WH40k how stupid
Alpha legion. The legion known for infiltration, sabotage, assasination and counter-intel. They "sided" with chaos. Not difficult to see why. They also did not change the colors of their armor as all other chaos legions did. They're still loyal, doing the dirtiest job od them all. Kill the enemy from within.
Well on isstvan V, Alpha legion annihilated 3 loyalists legion… not sure if they are really clean
"but at what cost?"
What the shit?? I had no idea about this, to serve the God Emperor you must destroy him and his enemies, or was it a ruse by the Chaos Gods themselves. Superb lore dump, TY
So they fight the Emperor... for the Emperor.
Warhamer would make a neat WoW like mmorpg
Warcraft is copy of warhammer if you didn’t know 😅
They have always been loyal, and I stand by that to this day.
We play both sides, so we can't lose 🤷🏽♂️
In other words, Tzeentch had fooled the Cabal and the Alpha Legion into facilitating the current stalemate protecting the chaos gods from external and internal destruction.
Or Malol
Yeah but then the Eldar saw the fall of Slanesh as being tied to their own extinction too, only to see latter it was possible to return the species from the dead trough their old forgotten gods.
Farseers have a lot more experience with visions of the future, and all of them are just utter extinction unless you allow chaos to almost win.
Im 100% sure those warp visions are controlled by tzeench to mentally fuck over the species of the galaxy, as the novels show farseers need to sift trough these futures, but in pratice all that they are doing is exchanging more obvious manipulations with less obvious ones.
**obligatory “or did theyyyyy” comment**
Don’t worry guys I got it covered
Worst part of the heresy and I will die on that hill.
And they believed them 😆
Sounds like Heresy, bester call the Inquisition on you!
The Alpha Legion might suck at pretty much everything but they have some fo the coolest looking armour
Like anything to do with Chaos, this is spectacularly stupid. Is it probably why over a third at least of the heretical legions don’t really want to be there anymore.
Chaos makes more sense than worshipping an atheistic vegetable on a golden toilet
Actually they (Cabal included) was fooled.
Alpha legion turned their side, and the Empire still fading away becouse of the dieing Emperor.
What if the Master of Mankind won an absolute victory? With the Aplha Legion knowing the betrazal of Horus it could have been easily done.
Emperor always comes back thooo😅
O-meee-gon
There is a third brother, Sigmarius
The emperor lives
Thank you!
✌🏼 thx for comment bro.
John Grammaticus
Author of the dictionary
Dude here misses the point.
They CHOSE A THIRD OPTION.
Neither fully support either side.
For the Emperor means 'fux you xenos'.
Yeah.... Its way more complicated than that, and they didnt wholly commit to horus and instead chose a 3rd path, the path we are on.
Essentially betting on a group of warriors buying into a variant of Ragnarok.
Suicidal, and only makes sense to a bunch of egotistic imperials.
alpha legion specializes in insurgency right , ie going deep in enemy territory and setting up a network there , just putting it out here
But they didn't completely side with Horus. Alpha Legion was split entirely down the middle. With one twin on Horus side, the other on the emperor's side. We don't know which twin sided were cause fucking Alpha Legion bull shittery, so much so that even their own sons, the Alpha Legion themselves did know one way from the other.. The authors of the time did such a good job of really getting them to turn the entire situation in so many directions its confusing. The Alpha Legion Primarch that is still surviving to this is the only one to not have died, put to sleep, or go into the warp(possibly on that last one, we don't have any current lore on them other than he may or may not have been watching over a major person in Imperium Nihilus. My source was the Amber King, specifically his video on the Alpha Legion themselves.
Slaanesh can thrive without humans though
Pretty sure there are xeno species who worship the other chaos gods, too
so you mean the one side with horus actruly want too destroy choas
Yeah, they got played
What would happen if the world pulled a HALO. Wow Chaos just cease to exist
This is exactly why I would have sided with Horus💪
So they're traitorous loyalists
As expected from the alpha legion confusing as ever
We don't actually know who they sided with