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00:00 - Intro
01:38 - Dark Angels
03:29 - Emperor's Children
05:23 - Iron Warriors
06:17 - White Scars & Space Wolves
06:27 - Imperial Fists
07:56 - Night Lords
09:17 - Blood Angels
10:09 - Iron Hands
11:41 - World Eaters
12:52 - Ultramarines
14:26 - Death Guard
15:15 - Thousand Sons
15:56 - Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus
17:41 - Word Bearers
19:37 - Salamanders
21:58 - Raven Guard
27:32 - Alpha Legion
29:11 - Outro
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Nightlords are definitely Mexican I've seen those cartel videos
You know what…fair point
Soon u will start seeing what we Kuchi do 😉
The pulled back hairstyle I see it
A slav-latino crime legion sounds dope af ngl
@@flags5765 hehe, if only slavs really r that bloodthirsty 😂
love all ethnicities even the bad ones
😂
Like xenos
Even Canadians?
@@myself2noone
You mean closeted Americans? Try as they might, they can’t deny the truth.
You love British people? Heresy
I always thought the Iron Hands were Celtic as the Arverni were a Gallic (rather than Germanic) tribe and they're often voice acted with Scottish accents.
“GO ABERDEEN!”
-Ferrus Manus, presumably
You got a point. Clans are also a famously Scottish thing
They also come from old albia which is the British Isles so that would include Scotland
The Arverni were located in modern France, and traveled as Celts did between Provincia and northern Spain. They would have little cultural similarity to the Caledonians, as they were heavily influenced by war and trade with Germanic tribes like the Nervii, Cimbri, and Suebi.
They are Gaulic Celts.
Galls are France
Lion El’Jonson is named after Lionel Johnson tho. The English poet…
And the Dark Angels are named after Johnson’s most famous poem, _”Dark Angel”_
Yeah but it still fits
they used to be native american, but that was a while back@@livefromtheblacklibrary
Now they’re all Dominican, says so in the lore.
No I won’t prove it
@@livefromtheblacklibrary true
While very true. GW couldn't exactly call him Richard the lion heart 😏
As A Brazilian I laughed in the Necromunda mention being basically Brazil in Space.
Porque tem crime? Ou tem outra q n peguei
@@lucastessari650 Nem tudo é igual, o vídeo fala de esteriótipos e de localidades/culturas/etnias baseadas em esteriótipos sem estar ofendendo ninguém. Estereótipo que gringo tem do Brazil pode ser tanto positivo e negativo. O negativo geralmente se resume a Favelas do Rio de janeiro(que possuem certa semelhança com uma Hive City obviamente muito menor), desigualdade social, narcotráfico(que pode ser interpretado no comportamento das gangues de Necromunda). Além disso, Necromunda possui uma população etnicamente muito diversa, as próprias gangues tem seus nichos mas não se restringe a isso. Basicamente, Violência Extrema, Brutalidade, Crimes, Taxas, Corrupção, Desigualdade Social Discrepante da Classe Governamental vs População, Corrupção Extrema, Verticalidade inspirada em favelas. Enfim existem vários aspectos, obviamente a parte da poluição e exaustão dos recursos naturais e outras coisas não são reais, mas, algumas mídias lá de fora só cobrem as desgraças que acontecem pelo Brasil, logo o Brasil é visto como um país que não liga tanto assim pro meio ambiente(o que não é verdade). Mesmo a um ambiente hostil, violento, com taxas e criminalidade, os "Necromundanos" ainda sobrevivem, assim como os Brasileiros.
It's just Latin America as a whole Bro 💀💀 or should I say Irmão
@@Overlord99762 there are some exceptions in Latam. There are many shit holes, and some are more deep than others. If you are a tech nomad there are better places to live than Brazil if you are restricted to a very specific Visa for example. I'm not here to say what really fucked Latam cause everybody knows that, corruption, and authoritarian governments who say that they aren't authoritarian and politicians which lives in Ivory Towers are pretty much what keeps fucking the people. If the politician of each country had to use all the services from those countries and would have a salary raise only based upon what the major population salary and quality of life, those things would be fixed in no time. I know that in that day "pigs would fly from our asses", no matter how much people revolt, the state will always have more power, and you have to work for them, besides many of the constitutions say otherwise.
I lost my shit after hearing that
The Night Lords aren't really Transylvanian, just vampires. They are, however, definitely Polish.
Their lore contains many references to the works of Polish-British author Joseph Conrad, author of Heart of Darkness (who's main character Kurtz gives Konrad Curze his name and mirrors his story) and Nostromo (hence Nostramo).
In addition, the Polish Winged Hussars bear many similarities to them, decorating their armour with wings, attacking in ways intended to strike fear into the enemy (albeit less brutal in the Hussars' case) and both Winged Hussars and Space Marines being known as The Angels of Death.
To me, the Night Haunter's rise to power on Nostramo, with the widespread paranoia and fear caused by these brutal murders ultimately resulting in political upheaval has always brought to mind Alan Moore's works Jack the Ripper with a little splash of V for Vendetta.
If night lords were romanian lion el johnson would have had his wallet stolen when he was being tortured by curze
This
And the Conrads never ending desire to just die so he doesn't need to handle any more bullshit. Very much feels like dealing with work environment in polish companies
Wait... night lords are vampires?
They dont act like vampires, i mean they look like one but they act like fucking psychopathic serial killers than blood sucking vampires
Like fr Blood Angels are basically closer to actual vampires, they need blood, they act like vampires, they even went on blood hunger mode (Red Thirst), and literally kill a portion of their serfs by draining their blood to satiate their blood addiction, WHILE acting and looking like KNIGHTS
Night Lords on the other hand are more of like Hanibal Lecter, they are psychopathic murderers, they torture their victims slowly and surely to make them feel the pain, and their tactics are psychological (fear tactics) and they are pretty good on covert ops that can even match raven guards or dark angels
Eventhough they LOOK like vampires but they dont ACT like one
The Ravenwing rock the Winged Lancer vibe.
I have always assumed a kind of Polynesian/Pacific islander influence on Salamanders. The volcanic lands, the similar detail in their art, the closeness with family, etc. I had just assumed most legions were made of Anglo/north sea types before, many are, but this vid was very insightful.
I feel like the Carcaridons (butchered the spelling) or Space Sharks more fill that roll but interesting take.
Polynisians are diffinately charcaradons
Although having close family bonds are common throught different cultures just like the Celestial Lions, a SM Chapter thats similar to African Tribes in the Savana, for example:
- They have a close family bond between battle brothers
- They eat and tell stories together under the same roof
- They even invite travelers to eat and rest, they dont even need to pay for lodging as long you give them stories from your journey
I always thought they had a black Caribbean influence
They are West African - Vulkan is literally based on the Yoruba Orisha Ogun
The literal black skin doesn't mean anything huh.....
Luna Wolves/ Sons of Horus actually carry strong Roman vibes but not Rome as in the Empire or Society. They're more like Roman superstition, myth, and occultism.
The warrior lodges are pretty much the Mystery Cults of Rome; fun little clubs where you and your bros could practice your rituals but share taboo ideas and concepts. Horus being the first found, the fact they're called the Luna Wolves, his name being Lupercal are references to the Myth of Romulus and Reemus (Lupercal being literally the cave where both were raised by wolves). Their home world of Cthonia is practically a reference to the term "Cthonic" meaning "From from the Underworld" or "Underground" (both a funny nod to how it's a seedy crime ridden mining world but also foreshadowing for the dark powers seducing Horus).
Horus' name, the most blatant mythologically loaded thing about him, is actually just a name they pulled out of the hat back in the 80s. You can kind of fit it into that mystery cult angle from before but also see it as deeply ironic Horus of Egyptian Mythology being the avenging son for his dead emperor dad while Horus of Warhammer is the reason his Emperor Dad is dead.
Them being Samurai is an interesting take but I can't see it really.
100% this. ☝️
For me, ive always seen the deathguard as 18th, 19th and 20th century french. The deathguards supernatural resilence and endurance being a analog to frances constant resilence in the wars theyve fought, and being one of the first armies to have chemical weapons being deployed against them. It also fits with the british vib because of the region known as Britany, and the obvious norman connection between the 2 countries
I also just realized the connection of the revolt on Mortarions homeworld also could be seen as the French revolution lol
I guess another small detail could also be the French's attitude toward their allies, being they've always put France first and have never wanted go give up their military control (such as when France left the nato command structure during the cold war) could be a reason why Mortarion was always so cold toward his siblings and always thought the other legions could never understand their suffering and were never grateful of the Deathguards sacrifices
Ohhhhhh that’s very interesting!!!!!
I mean Mortarion is the leader of a revolution, he hate tyrants to an obsessive degree, he thinks he is a liberator and a man of the peoples but he only bring terror to the people he is supposed to inspire.
@@livefromtheblacklibrarythey also share a terrible stench
@@TheDeadPoolfan I like it. I get a more Scotland vibe myself, especially from Barbarus. But considering the Dusk Raiders come from Albion in 30k, which includes the British Isles and Europe (the North Sea and Channel being dry), a touch of French influence works.
As a fellow history nerd and 40k fan, this is exactly my type of content.
🤝
Interestingly the Raven guard were originally based on Gaelic people. They had green armour (which was eventually swapped with the dark angels who had black originally). And they're guerilla style combat was very much a gaelic thing. That was back in the 80s though and obviously lore has updated since
Ravens are also a pretty big thing in Gaelic mythology.
"I am fortifying this position." -The Baltics
- You know what? Yeah, that kinda tracks. 😂
Him moving to Germany is a massive win for us.
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To me the Alpha Legion seems to be a nod to Sparta actually.... with it's two Kings/Primarchs, the greek letters painted on everything (the Lambda for Sparta, and yes I know, they didn't have them ALL the time, and the Alpha and Omega for the Legion), the reliance on spywork most of the time, but really strong when actually going into open combat, relying on unity and being "euqals"(cough cough, spartan Homioi, who were ment to be equals, at least the citizens), leaving barely any records and of course the scales being a reference to how much importance the Spartans put up on the Pythia
I’ll be honest the whole everyone is Alpharius (I know I butchered that spelling) thing more reminds me of the story of Spartacus. I know video claims Angron plays that position but the whole army doesn’t claim to be Angron. When the Roman’s went to arrest Spartacus after the rebellion it’s a famous line that all the rebelling gladiators claimed to be Spartacus in an attempt to hide the true Spartacus from arrest. Minotaurs (while not a main legion) def more hold that whole Spartan feel to them with their copper colored armor Minotaur imagery (yes I know Sparta wasn’t the birth place of the Minotaur but it’s the Greek theming I’m focusing on) and the fact it’s supposedly a legion designed specifically to destroy other legions and how other legions distrust or even hate them lending to Sparta’s macho warrior culture more and how they lived for battle. Besides Greek lambda’s are hardly a rare imagery for almost any legion of astartes. But it’s an interesting idea ya brought to the table. Side note about Greek inspired legions Iron Serpents give me very Athenian or even Atlantean vibes with their whole naval based world thing (Athens navy was the foil to Sparta’s more land based might) and use of tridents.
@@dreadcthuhlu8560 Fair, Minotaurs have a very Spartan aesthatic as well. I suppose the Minotaurs have more of the Spartan associated imagery and cliché-open combat, where the Alpha Legion are the lesser known parts in some ways (especially the part of preferring espionage vs Krypteia, as one of the sources, I'm not sure if it's Thucydides or Xenophon, described it as the spartan spy organisation). But yeah, the "I am Alpharius" has a very Spartacus feel as well
@@alexv1387 honesty All I can truly associate to them with any degree of certainty is Hydra from the Marvel universe, they are both roge branches of their respective armies, heavy use of spies and double agents, infiltration. And sabotage.
I always thought of the Imperial Fists are German since Sigismund and Fafnir are characters from the Nibelungenlied poem. But your Baltic and multi ethnic angle makes some sense since many Germans settled across much of northern and Eastern Europe; notably along the Baltic coast. My grandpa’s family were Baltic Germans, and the south Baltic coast was conquered from the local Slavs and resettled by Germans to become the kingdom of Prussia; the German state that unified most of the German states into a single empire. Also many germans immigrated to the American continents so that could also hint at the Imperial Fist’s multiethnic roster to reflect the multiethnic people’s of the American continents.
My friend and i came to a similar conclusion: stoic(stereotype), gun and fortification focus(war and/or German engineering), fortification also playing into the need for strong/insulated buildings in northern Europe, and possibly the last wall protocol reflecting the HRE?( in that many groups united in history/relation banding together for retaliation).
I think the Imperial Fists of 30k are Macedonia. The way they fight like when they use their version of a phalanx or shield wall, with thick ceramite shield with slits for Bolters. The multiple planet governance and recruitment is similar to Alexander's system of Satraps. The feud with Perturabo, aka "Greece" is a very obvious one.
However, I think the most obvious one was Rogal Dorns journey to Terra (the cradle of civilization, this stories Babylon) and later appointment as Praetorian. Like Alexander he moved his capital to :Babylon" and like Babylon there is a sense of doom around Terra.
Then as they break into chapters and suffer other repeated disasters they become more like Babylon and *specifically* the *Holy* Roman Empire.
I agree - it would also fit for the black templars iconography with the iron cross and all. I’ve always seen black templars as Proto-German knights.
Btw the legend of sigusmund/Siegfred has an Ecco in Norse mythology. There he is called “Sigurd Fafnersbane”, he also has a magical sword called Gram and he eventually slays the dragon Fafner (hence the hero’s name Sigurd Fafners-bane).
That dragon was originally actually a greedy dwarf that in his possessions had stolen “the cursed ring” “Advaranaut” and over the time the ring influenced him mentally and made him more greedy - eventually turning him into a huge dragon just hoarding gold until the day Sigurd slays him… so yeah thats some inspiration for Tolkiens lord of the rings and the hobbit as well.
@@RaVNeFLoK Norse mythology??????????? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 You mean germanic mythology. This Norse people are germanic DNA and culture. Sigurd aka Siegfried legend was long known in the rheinlands before his legend was in sweden or norway or danmark. Also Wutan or Wuotan is old germanic name of Odin. Also Wōðanaz was the name of Wutan/Odin that all germanic tribes called him.
Teutonic Knights, who later founded the Kingdom of Prussia, conquered most of their lands from the Old Prussians, which were in fact a loose confederation of Baltic tribes and definitely not Slavic. Slavic people, that lived by the Baltic Sea (Pomeranians), resided mainly in the Western Pomerania in Poland, the German Vorpommern and Schleswig-Holstein regions and the island of Rügen. The rest is generally right.
I think you might be mixing up the Alemanni (southwest of Germany) with the Arvernii (Gallic celtic tribe in south-central Gaul, nowdays region of Auvergne). The Gallic Arvernii were skilled in metallurgy and come from a mineral-rich region. That feels closer to the Iron Hand trope and is a neat little thing.
Isn’t that where Vercingetorix was from too. The greatest Gallic king.
@@mikesecondname I think so yeah!
The death guard have always been an Industrial Revolution era Scotland to me, Barburus takes a lot after Scotland with high mountains shrouded in mist, and the industrial era obviously had a large amount of smog and disease (especially in the poorer parts of Scotland), along with Scotland / the death guards high reliance on a tough front line of purely infantry… plus it’s awesome to think of mortarion with Davy Jones accent asking Guiliman “Do you fear death” in the strong Scottish accent haha
I drew a similar comparison to medieval Scotland above.
Well, the Terran death guard legionaries were recruited from 'old Albia' which I'm pretty sure is meant to be the British Isles. So yeah :)
Edit: I just realised he already said that in the video lol. oops
@Alexis-of-aldmeris keep in mind the British Isles no longer exist in 30k, due to the oceans receding off of the Atlantic Shelf. So, Old Albia was most of Europe including the Atlantic Shelf around Britain, and at least part of the former North Sea.
I like this theory actually, never liked Mortarion or the Death Guard before but being a lowland Scot myself I like this interpretation on them, I also would love to hear that classic Davy Jones "dae ya fear death" line in Mortarion's corrupted voice
Nice theory though I like to think that they are more equivalent to the English during the Black Death and Peasent revolt. I made a full explanation for this in the comment section so if you want to See my reasonings look for it there.
Honestly Ive always thought the raven guard to be Irish
Pale skin and dark hair.
Focus on guerrilla warfare, stealth infiltration and assisination.
Corvus backstory is of having to fight a rebellion against the rulers of his planet, much like the Irish having to rebel against the British
The raven connects them to ancient Ireland in that the Celtic goddess the morrigan was associated with ravens as well.
Even the Istvan dropsite massacre shares loose similarities with the great famine
Now I want to make all my Raven Guard Red heads....
And GW (a British company) hasn't given them a Heresy Praetor model.
Hmm dark hair, I forgot how other Celts have noted how the Irish were known for their Jetblack hair.
Lol. But the raven guard are effective at their guerilla warfare :P
Jk jk that was mean.
@@scoe5908 I misread that as "Harry Potter"
I think the idea that the Luna wolves being Japanese is kind of hilarious (in a good way) because of their relationship with the White Scars
In history the Mongols were the larger, hyper expansionist who constantly had the best technology and tried invading Japan twice but failing both times because of typhoons which the Japanese labeled as Kamikaze I.e heavily wind
Meanwhile in 40k the Luna wolves are the larger force who had some of the most state in the art equipment available (helps when your Primarch is War Master), were generally the more aggressive of the two and it was the White Scars who had to defend against the Luna Wolves during the siege of Terra which succeeded because of the emperor- a very heavenly figure defeating Horus.
Kinda funny NGL
The disclaimer to the facility is great.
This did help with my own thoughts on how to make characters.
Ohhhh nice! I’d love to see what you come up with dude 👀
The interesting part of the Dark Angels is the terran born members were, unlike a lot of other legions, taken from multiple groups and ethnicties. The recent Lion book shows this with the Fallen, with the terren borns being extremely varied in ethnicity while those from Caliban are more uniformly European
Lion El Johnson was named after the English Poet Lionel Johnson, writer of the poem “the Dark Angel”. Old lore is laced with a ton of literary Easter eggs. Also Arthurian legend is hotly contested with both Cornwall and Wales laying some claim to it, so it’s safer to place them in the South West of Britain. As for the crusader element, that’s pretty much wholly owned by the Black Templars (they even wear Maltese crosses for goodness sake), the Dark Angels are pretty firmly rooted in high fantasy with their quests to slay the beasts of caliban.
You are either twelve or very childish if you think the Templars are just one thing
I always thought Dark Angels are Romanian....
@@decem_sagittaenot even close
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Chrono....
... there's no one here you need to lie to.
You should do one on post-First Founding chapters as well! The Carcharadons and their Polynesian influence immediately come to mind.
Ohhhh that’s a good idea!
Big fan of this video, I’m always shocked at how much thought games workshop puts behind their characters and world and it’s nice to see real world cultures being used as the inspiration for so much of the story
Yeah it’s great! And thanks!
@@livefromtheblacklibraryMajorkill did a video about “ethnicities of the Primarchs” a while back. Did you ever watch it. It’s very close to your interpretation
The reason why I always thought the Iron Hands were Germanic is because of Ferrus Manus being a reference to Arnold Schwarzenegger as T-800. For some reason he always reminded me of that. Might be, you know, his looks and iron hands.
I just realized the reason i make the connection between him and arnold is because of his voice as a ghost in TTS
Also don't forget The famous german mercenary gots the iron hand
@@gringolikeme3564 Huh the Guts similarities with Ferrus is even closer.
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Death Guard seems to be just generally European. Just from their naming a lot of the surnames are just all over the place. Garro is Portuguese origin. Yet Gallor is very Irish. Mortarion is Latin for Death with Mors.
Mort in french is death, so Mortarion is literally death-arion. I think the DG are western european in principle, but mainly french and british
@@laurentrighetti9645so morty is French, no wonder he smells so bad
I actually think that the Death guard are a lot more reminiscent of the English during the Black Death and Peasant Revolt.
I don't see enough people commenting on this, but the soundtracks you have for your videos are top tier. It really resonates uniquely with your channel and the way you re-tell the lore, I love it. Iron within!
The TTS interpretations are funny; like Vulkan being Jamaican, Magnus is an Australian nerd, and Rogal Dorn exists. Also, the Crimson Fists/Spanish Marines are also funny
Funny thing about Magnus's voice is he was intended to have a British accent but the Texan voice actor's attempt at it ended up sounding Australian instead, but Alfabusa liked it so much he ran with it.
Man...i miss tts verse😑
@@nohrianscum9791 god i cant imagine TTSMagnus being briish it hurts my heaaad
I remember way way back that the Dark Angels had a bit of Native American thrown in them which corresponds with them having decorated feathers and also some of their helmets look more like a feather headdress, also some hair face paint.
I was looking into some as well and it had somewhere that Ezekiel was originally called Cloud Runner
Also you got the Ravenwing which whole thing is that they are trackers who track down the Fallen, and they have ravens on their bikes
Their modern warplate is very similar to Polish winged Hussars.
The Deathguard came off as Gothic Eastern European to me. The dark lord in his castle terrorizing the villages in the fog shrouded lands.
I’m so happy you mentioned Ojibwe that’s the tribe my family is from my great grandmother was full blooded
Being a White Scars fan I was a little disappointed you didn't get into them a little bit :( I know they're the most obvious of all the legions but it's still fun to hear the parallels.
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Raven guard could also be inspired by Hungary in King Mathias' (The raven) time
I love your videos man. For me it's you and Majorkill that I constantly watch on upload for 40k lore and I love the depth and personal insight you add to you videos.
Hope you have a great school year!
THANKS DUDE! THAT MEANS A LOT
I got into the Dark Angels thru the original Space hulk. The original story of the Death Wing is American Indian. That appealed to me so much that’s the chapter I went with. Raven guard were not well fleshed out when I started.
Yeh early deathwing miniatures had feathers hanging off their armour. One of their recruiting planets was heavily inspired by native Americans. A group of deathwing was almost wiped out destroying a genestealer cult on the planet. What I really liked about the story was a sergeant called Ezekiel became leader of his tribe after being stranded on the planet following the battle. It’s a rare example of a space marine having a family life (aside from the salamanders who still keep family ties). He even reclaimed his tribal birth name of “cloud runner”.
@@disastablasta3767 remember that the Smurfs have family ties as well. They are drawn mainly from the 500 worlds and it’s an honor for the family’s to have a child be an ultramarine.
EXCITED TO WATCH THIS!
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Been waiting for someone to make a video like this! Love it, super well done. 👏🏻 Fascinating stuff.
World Eater ethnicity is like the breed of your sister's cats: they found it in the dumpster and lured it out with some pizza
Most of the legions are just greek.
Iron Warriors? Greek
Sons of the Hydra? Pretend to be Aztek or something but we know they're greek
Ultramarines? Greeks larping as Romans (Bizantium)
Blood angels Greeks larping as itallians or romanians (depending on of they feel more renessaince art and angel or more vampire)
White Scars? Obviously Bactrian greeks who assimilated with local steppe cultures
To be fair everyone claims to be the inheritors of Rome and Rome stole like half of its shit from Greece
@@livefromtheblacklibrary I like the idea of the World Eaters being the losers of the Servile Wars. From varied backgrounds, united inside an empire but not really part of it, they form their own highly pugnacious culture
I think Imperial Fists could be inspired by eastern europeans too, especially russians and polish. Homeworld of Rogal Dorn is very cold place(stereotypes about Russia) and he was rised by a man, who Rogal refers to as grandfather(grandparents have a great importance in slavic mythology and culture);his first captain Sigismund could be a reference to polish king Sigismund; legion tactics is basically not one step back which was soviet doctrine during Stalingrad battle;there is an official art of Imperial Fists during first battle against Iron Warriors where Fists have images of orthodox saints Boris and Gleb(sons of russian knyaz who during civil war between their brothers choose to not take any sides and was killed for it);+there are some russian names in Fists tabletop roster,like Vladimir or Maksim
My favourite video of yours! I love exploring the historical and cultural influences in 40k. All the Iron Hands info was completely new to me.
THATS THE GOOD STUFF! Loved your analysis on the raven guard, keep it up my man!
Dark Angels were also Native American like in their earlier depictions with full on headdresses and eagle feathers. Their bikers still have traces of these aesthetics
Plains Indians, from the Cowboys and Indians tv shows and movies.
You mentioned the Iron Hands using swords like the Zweihänder. I wasn't able to find any art or minis of this, so I'd be interested to hear where you saw that.
Konstantin void on artstation has an iron hand terminator dual wielding them
@@gringolikeme3564 I'm in love.
There's also artwork of a white scar using an iron hands gifted zweinhander to cut little horus' face off
@@chippsdubbo990 yeah that one was by arhpriest
Gotz of the iron hand kleiner Junge
Great video! Love it when creators make detailed comparisons between lore and real life. Subbed
This dropped on my birthday, thanks man. Really appreciate it.
Alfarius= Neegan. The raven guard are Lakoda Sioux. They believed certain people could change their forms. Corvax is now able to become a raven demon on command. Also, Comanche Blackfoot and Lakota were famous for fighting with Stealth.
Lastly, the only thing to clear Guilliman is definitely Cesar.
Your common person doesn’t know how good Cesar was as a general .
But once you get to know what he did, he’s the goat . G-man is the same way. At first when you become a fan, you love ultramarine’s, and then you get jaded and all the cool kids that have been into Warhammer for five years talk crap. But then once you become a veteran you come back and appreciate them for what they are and you no longer see a cool to Hate them.
G-man equals best man
You sure they aren't based on the Crow? Now there's some infiltration experts. The Sioux are more Nightlord backstaby.
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I think the idea of the death guard being exaggerated imperial-era germans makes a lot of sense
- Attuned to gruelling attrition warfare
- Affinity for chemical weapons
- The clash in the old military culture (Dusk Raiders) and the more radical doctrinal extremists arising during the conflict (The Death Guard)
- Barbarus' clash of peasantry and more advanced tech harkening back to the early 1900s
its probably the strongest link I can really think of since WW1-era France is taken up by Krieg.
The son's of horus seemed to me closer to the Visagoths mixed with several Gaelic tribes. It's fitting in a way having the gauls vs rome vibe for chaos vs imperium
the 2nd and 11th legions were canadian and russian. The 2nd turned on Big E and attacked with Maple based weapons and hockey styled scythes. The 11th would only wrestle bears and the space wolfs and beat them every time...including at drinking (thata prob why Russ helped make them vanish, and his hatred of bears)
Death guard are meant to to be northern England. Its our historical industrial heartland, and stereotypically depicted as grey and depressing.
finally someone made a video about it. you get a sub, love it
The terran born Raven Guard were known to have been composed of the Xeric Tribe from the Dustfields of what was once South East Asia. And South East Asia has had history of Guerilla Warfare. Vietnam, Philippines, Indonesia etc.
What makes that interesting is that that area was one of the last Terran Empires to fall to the Emperor
They're in the fuckin' trees man...
Don't forget the history of head hunting.
Corvus despised the Terran born though and recruited marines from elsewhere, never again were Raven Guard from Terra after Corvus had his experience with them.
@@ICECAPPEDSKY he despised those who wouldn't agree to the changing of methods since they were brutal, but he respected those who would put down the cruel practices, much like Soukhounou a Terranborn from Africa who was neutral with the Legion culture debacle.
I personally got told Night Lords are slavic. Konrad is a germanic name common in Poland (It's my name too), and old eastern europe is a pagan cold place of religion where gods do not care and monsters prowl the night. A religion of fear. That along with the strict serfdoms of old
Well the Blood Angel leader being called Dante is a very clear sign that they’re inspired by Italians. Ultramarines are classical Rome, World Eaters are Republicans Rome and Luna wolves are monarchic Rome. I’ve always seen the Iron Fists as having some connections with Rome too, I remember an old white dwarf article about them saying that their first battle honor was about Rome, but it’s not very clear.
I think the Death Guard are French, specifically French mediaval peasants during the black plague.
During this time, French nobility raised the taxes of the peasantry to compensate for the plague spreading across Europe and this caused a number of peasant revolts.
If you look at these peasant revolts, you'll see the way they were depicted to be very similar to the OG Death Guard (Mortarion's merry band of Nurglite Xeno hunters) with depictions of hooded peasants armed with scythes dragging knights to be brutally killed.
Really similar to the situation on Barbaros with horrible crops, downtrodden people and Xenos Monsters who represents unstoppable plague and tyranny.
That's just my best guess though.
Just a small fun fact:
The realm of ultramar while basically space rome is also a play on the united states. 50 states or in this case 500 worlds all under one flag/banner
I like this! American army was also called the blue jackets at some point just like ultramarine is a blueish color. America symbols are also weirdly roman obsessed and they act as Earth poster boys.
It would also explain my anti-ultramaine sentiment! XD
I think the Imperial Fist' legion are American since their successor chapters are so diverse as a legion its a literal melting pot with the Fist's being Baltic, Crimson Fist' kinda being Hispanic but more Tex-mex vibe, the Templars defiantly being Mexican crusaders and all of the Necromunda recruits being Brazilian
They’re base on the Teutonic Knights, imperial fists are Saxon hence why the templars are most german inspired
@@ultramarine0123 What about the Crimson Fists?
@@Ulfbhert9000 I've not read much of their lore but one guy being called Pedro doesn't make their parents legion American
@@ultramarine0123 fair enough but the fact that nearly all of imperial fist successors have cultural differences does warant the inquiry but I suppose the same can be said with the ultramarines with the Mortifactors and Emperors Spears
@@Ulfbhert9000 I get what you mean I think your taking some Alamo parallels to the battle of rynns world when after double checking I'm pretty sure it's inspired by the great siege of Malta, I'm guessing you're American since you're agreeing with certain trains of thought with the black Templars being Hispanic that I could only really see from a north American cultural context, I've never heard that until today but it looks common in the comments
just realised perturabo is basically phillip the 2. of macedon
I’m very happy I’m not the only one who sees the Raven guard as being native. As a southwestern native when I saw the black and white artwork of Corvus corax I thought immediately “that’s an older native man”
The Death Guard, or rather their precursors, the Dusk Raiders of Terra are inspired by Irish and Scottish. They were recruited from the warrior clans of the islands of Old Albia, meaning Britain and Ireland. Given that clans are an important part of both Irish and Scottish history, and that the Albions used steam powered dreadnoughts it makes sense for them to be inspired by the old Celtic cultures of Britain and Ireland. However, when they become the Death Guard most of this culture is supplanted, and to be honest I cant really figure out what they become inspired by then.
Raven Guard for me seemed very Japanese Ninja inspired. I always felt like their artificer armor would have a Samurai armor feel, light, very flexible/movable.
So your saying it's cannon now that Cypher is Robin Hood right?
Black Templars are actually modeled after the Teutonic Knights during the Baltic crusades.
One of the best 40K videos I've ever heard. Actually reminds me of Arbitor Ian, who is great at giving the real-world context to the evolution of 40K, whereas this channel really succeeds in giving depth to the lore itself.
Nice vid! I like your theory on the Sons of Horus Chthonian yakuza make them seem less generic give gangs. On the Death guard as someone from the UK I’d say that Barbarous is still representing England perhaps a toxic polluted northern England at least that’s how I’ve always though of it.
Do you think there’s an extension of this idea where you talk about the other factions and their cultural influences?
The big ethnic change in the legions I can think of is when the all-terran recruits are supplemented or replaced with recruitment from other worlds in the expanding Imperium.
Some of the chapters don't seem to mind where their recruits come from. They just break them and remake them into something less than human anyways so a chapter might have kids from an imperial penal facility fight next to teenage hive gangers. Some chapters have recruitment rights that span across a sector or more.
Some chapters like the Space Wolves seem to think the original society on their homeworld they recruited from must remain, even if they have to keep it artificially regressed. Like a barbarian society in a glass bowl, like a human ant colony the marines keep from larger imperial society.
GW themselves are cheeky people who always likes to toss in name references and more or less hidden puns and spotting them is always a giggle.
A lot of the space wolf lore is stupid, but it does line up with the imperium isn’t the most enlightened and forward thinking government.
@@ravenRedwake Most of the marine chapters have wonky traditions and personal rituals they don't tell outsiders. They get to be wonky compared to the rest of the Imperium.
40k is not a management game so what all the chapter serfs do back home is not brought up in the rules.
If you want to use chapter serf militia auxiliary somehow, I would just put down a few light imperial guard units and paint them in chapter livery. Iggies in ultramarine blue etc.
I thought the Death Guard were comparable with trench warfare and the introduction of mustard gas into battles.
From what I know the death guard should have a much more gothic architecture, like more heavy than others.
Could you please do a video explaining the assassins and the organisation and especially that one assassin that got tyrannids dna
OHHH THATS ON THE LIST NOW
@@livefromtheblacklibrary yesss 🙏😊
Late to the party but... d'ya know why Tyrean Purple was so expensive? It was extracted from several species of mollusc found in a fairly limited area of the Mediterranean. Each mollusc only yields a few drops of the substance used to create the dye (it can take up to 12,000 (twelve THOUSAND) molluscs to create 1 gram of dye!), and the work was extremely time-consuming and complex - so much so that after the fall Constantinople the secret was lost for centuries, until archaeologists experimented and rediscovered it in 2001. The dye would actually produce a range of shades from burgundy through to a deep ultramarine blue, and it was hardly the only source of the colour purple. Why it was so beloved is that it was colourfast (it wouldn't wash out unlike most other natural dyes) and light-fast (we have examples of tapestries woven with threads dyed with this substance. Over many centuries, the other colours have faded out to white, but the purpura-dyed threads have held their colour, quite vividly.)
The fact that you referred to the period of history Greek polis by naming Athens, Sparta and Thebes is enough for me to know you're my kind of 40k commentator. Wonder if Epaminondas will one day be confirmed as an early life of Emps in lore.
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Couple additions from the top of my head:
For Son's of Horus, I imagine what comes to mind is the Sengoku period of japan where there was a lot of inter-factional fighting amongst warlords, these groups would lay the ground work for the yakuza. Also those family crests used in japan are called Mondokoro it wouldn't be that much of a stretch to say the Eye of Horus could be analogous to one.
Word bearers are easily Canaanites, they worship pernicious gods that require sacrifices (like Moloch for child snackrifices), Canaanites loved tattoos which is basically the reason why Jewish law prevents them, and as we know from Snoregar Colchisians love getting tatt'ed up.
Raven Guard also getting their geneseed infected, and dropsight massacred could easily be loosely drawn from smallpox or the bear river massacre.
I'm of Cree decent on my mother's side and i always saw the Raven Guard as being similar but i always wanted a more Native asthetic to them and in some way i might make a kitbashed Raven Guard army with that asthetic for myself
OHHHH THAT WOULD BE SO COOL!!
I feel like you sold me on the raven guard. honestly ive never really been all that interested in them but this has made me want to dig into them a lot more. I am a huge space shark fan so maybe that just adds lol
Cool vid and interesting theory on the luna wolves.
The World Eaters in the audiobooks usually have vaguely Russian accents, but were known to be one of the most ethnically diverse legions due to having to constantly replenish their horrific losses from whatever world they happened to be closest to.
Kharn himself comes from Urgash , which is literally Terran Siberia (litterally)
I can't proof it right know but from what I heard the first World eaters (War hounds back then) was recruited from eastern European state called Khanate of Kievian Rus. The adult population of this country was wiped out by Emperor but orphans was recruited in new skirmish style legion
On the Salamanders specifically;
When I started playing 40k back in 1998, there was a Salamanders Captain in the minis showcase pages of the 3rd edition Codex Space Marines.
That Captain was blond haired, with normal eyes, and olive skinned. Not jet black/onyx skin, and red eyes.
The pitch black skin and red eyes came much much later.
Indeed... one of the unhelmeted minis features in Codex: Armageddon looks like Simon Phoenix from Demolition Man.
I had always thought Vulkan was inspired by the legend of John Henry.
@@jamesteal8253probably is the salamanders culture is basically just medieval fantasy
To give my two cents to the raven guard, I always thought them to be celtic (at least partly). One main reason I found was ironically with the dornian heresy. There their motto was "nemo me impune lacessit", which happens to be the same used by the real life scots guard.
I think a lot of the legions are multi-ethnicity groups. Raven Guard being both Southern Canada area Native American and Celtic, Iron Hands being Germanic and Gaelic, Dark Angels being a combination of Arthurian Knights and Angels with a dash of Native American, etc.
Why do I keep seeing people in these comments associating the DA with Native Americans?
Just like where does the idea come from? I’ve never gotten the vibe or seen any evidence for that idea. I’m just curious why people have gotten that idea.
Word Bearers are Italian in my head canon & nobody can change that, not even GW!!!!😂😂😂😂😂
Lorgar mama mia’d so hard when Monarchia burned
adeptus ridiculous gave us so many memes but italian word bearers are my favourite
The Alpha legion often seem to have a Greek vibe to their arms and armor to me. The crested helmet like the one in the Family Guy clip for example. Or the sword in the Omegan faction image which resembles a Makhaira, a sword/knife the Greeks would depict in the hands of Spartan or Persian warriors (even though the Persians actually used straight double-edged swords). That said, I have no clue if the design of the sword is just fan art or is actually used in official art.
This is 2 months old but, Imperial Fists are Habsburg inspired. Austrian alps=Inwit. Large cultural variation in naming is the vastness of the Habsburg empire specifically Spanish and German. The faith of the black templars could also be construed as the Teutonic knights (modern day base is Austria) and they are Catholic.
It’s mentioned in Betrayer that the World Bearers were probably the most ethnically diverse Legion due to their fleet based nature and high attrition. The unfortunate part is that Angron (or the Emperor) robbed them of having a home planet or functioning brains. I think the best analogue for them would be “barbarians hired by Rome to protect its borders” with similar results.
It should be noted that almost every Legion has a stark cultural contrast between the original Terrans and the Legionaries from the Primarchs home planet. This was especially prevalent in the Dark Angels, White Scars and Emperor’s Children.
I identify as Space Marine.
There’s only one race, the Emperors race 🙏🫶
@@livefromtheblacklibraryWhat kind of race? Oh yo is it like Nascar 🏎️💨💨
Remember, all space marines we're originally fully human.
Their ethnicity is whatever their parents were. So there's phenotypically black and white salamanders. Same goes for every other legion and every other marine.
A better term would be culture, what culture is every legion/chapter.
I mean, according to lore they get physical traits from their primarchs, so they have to change in some way.
@@kaleoarnold3709 Things like genetic curses or athletic ability... but not just straight up a race change
Soukhounou of the Raven Guard from 30K was said to have been from Africa.
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Yea no I’m not saying total race change, but space marines should at least look like they are related to their primarch. I mean, there are people who are black who have traits of an Irish ancestor despite not looking like there’s any Irish in his family, so I think it should kinda be like that for space marines and their primarchs, maybe something like a hard jawline for Robute or the already well established fangs and wolfyness of the space wolves, just some things like that.
The Raven Guard also have a bit of Gurkha, Maori and other Polynesian about them as those were the first? Guerrilla fighters.
The Terran Raven Guard were also recruited fro the Pan-Pacifuc
They became the Space Sharks
As far as Death Guard go, i think you nailed it. Could also be Victorian London, in a sense. During the industrial revolution. As far as Duck Raiders are concerned, they mostly hailed from old Albia. And they were one of the only tribes to bend the knee willingly to the Emperor during the Unification Wars. Hence why there were such strong ties to the Emperor from Terran-born marines.
That Luna wolves are Japan take is fantastic!
I associate the raven guard with a gloomy, taciturn Russian. And pale, not because he is an albino, but because living in winter Siberia you do not often see the sun. There is also a character in the game Tekken Dragunov, he is as similar as possible to the raven guardsman, but at the same time he is Russian.
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Pre-Heresy Horus Lupercal was showed to wear heavily Roman-inspired (around Marian reforms, I guess) armour. And his very second name, Lupercal, is that of an ancient Roman festival.
I recommend watching Inquisitor Vuln's primary analysis videos, he does an incredible job of breaking the primarchs down and what aspects of humanity their based on and where they and their legions draw their heritage. My favorite parts of his videos are when he discusses the gene-seed he associates with the primarchs. As for the Death Guard, they draw recruits from Old Albia, like the Iron Hands and Night Lords(but they're a different story entirely). They draw many similarities with Britain after the Agricultural Revolution.
I thought the death guard gene-stock was, in canon, taken from Anatolia or whatever (modern day Turkey I think) It goes into the reasons for why, their culture was known for elevating honor and they had a thing about completely eradicating their enemies as a people.
Its funny, because Dusk Raiders were thought to be from Albania
@kippkipper4126 I was mistaken, it's the emperor that's from Anatolia
@@someirishguy1662 Albia in 40K is the British Isles tho.
And Emperor's Children are German nobles. Fabius Bile came from Ingolstadt (which probably explains his fashion sense). World Eaters were from the German underclass/barbarians.
@@wordbearer0815 that's also where Victor Frankenstein is born in. And Fabius is pretty much 40K's Victor Frankenstein.
An incredibly informative and impressive video ..... very valuable
I gotta mention this too! Sorry second comment lol - The Ultramarines are also a slight reference to the good ol’US of A. The 500 worlds are reference to the 50 United States. As well as the realm being a military complex power house. It’s very minor but I felt I should add it. Despite being Canadian myself lol. I’d honestly love more Native American references in the Imperial Fists.
Ok my guesses
Dark Angels: My guess is anglos, King Arthur and stuff
2:51 ...those were not secret really. They were officially church sanctioned... well they mostly were burned for ursury. Basically after the holy land fell especially the templars would engage in money lending which was banned under catholicism.
The Teutonic order on the other hand never lost the favour of the Papacy and had their own country in north europe while the Hospitalers kept fighting the Ottomans and in the new world even in the caribbean. The sexret society aspect seems more taken from the Free Masons
Emperors Children: Bizantium
That Gold and Purple just screams it.
Huh... Phoenicians
Eh, the Bizantines were also pretty decadent and constantinople was known for being the 'City of World's desires' and Bizentine prinzes/royalty were known to be 'born of the purple' because the bizantines were so rich Emperor's personal flag and clothes were all purple.
Iron warriors: Greek - but should have been slavic
Slavic/Russian iron warriors is way cooler than Greek. They don't feel greek in the slightest, just Perturabos homeworld kinda was
White Scars: Monghols
Space Wolves: Modernday Furries (jk. It's vikings just executed badly)
Imperial Fists: They kinda feel 'cultureless' they are super generic. Their sucessors don't help either Black Templars being Germans while the Crimson Fists are spanish... if I had to guess Visegoths or Franks. Basically the guys Charlamaign was ethnically part off and which kinda were in germany france and spain for some time after rome
7:03 Latvia Lithuenia and Estonia were the last pagan places in europe. I don't get that vibe in the slightest.
Night lords: Romanians
Transylavia is in romania so fist I guess
Blood Angels: Renessaince italy
Iron hands: They also feel kinda Greek to me, but they mostly have a sci-fi vibe going
Hmm germanic... Zweihanders are not actually inherently germanic, but could make hands. Iron Hands are obviously inspired by Gustav of the iron hand which was a famous german knight who lost his hand young and fought on with an Iron prosthetic which was weirdly advanced for his time
Logical highly effient, you got me they are german. All that misses is them having ugly women.
World Eaters: Roman - they are literally just the story of Spartacus
Ultramarines - the other rome! but also a bit of greece again!
Death Guard - hard to tell - they do feel kinda Celtic to me so Irish ?
But that's mostly due to the druid nature theme which came later from Nurgle. Honestly yeah WW1 german helms and chemical warfare fits, but they kinda got their own thing going
Thousand Sons: Egyptians - I wonder if Magnust ever noticed they are cosplaying as necrons
The Horus boys - generic guys, they are obviously american gangsters
Wait what japanese? Americans fits well to me, they are a generic legion, gang culture kinda thing and they betrayed the Imperium which was written up by brits.
I don't see japan or egypt
Word Bearers: Ethiopians
Their religious markings and colours look all ethiopian and their body scarification and tattoo rituals do reminisce of some other african tribes. Their uber religiosity kinda harkens back to ethiopians holding out as christians surrounded by pagans and muslims on literally all sides.
Hmm Israelites and Arabs kinda works.
OK nah the unique writing'language understood by no one that's 100% ethiopia they have their own completelly unique alphabet and writing system which again looks nearly exactly the same as Wordbearer runes.
Salamanders: No clue honestly they kinda remind of of the "Jolly black man sterotype" from like 80's movies, a bit of hawaians and a bit of fantasy dwarves.
Ethnically the salamanders are not black. GW writers confirmed that the Homeworld of the Salamanders has all human races where they seem to be more the 40k tieflings "they look demonic, but they are the nice guys" I mean they are not african black they are charcoal black with red glowing eyes...
Raven Guard is hard, they are modern special forces. So either americans as they are known for that or modern german special forces as it's a common joke n europe that the modern german emblem looks more like a penguin or crow than an eagle.
Huh never got much of a native american vibe from them.
23:01 They are not honest they are the sneaky boyos legion
hmm the corvia thing kinda makes sense
Yeah you got me sold on the native american thing.
Alpha Legion: Aztecs
They have lots of Aztec sounding names now, but I frankly think they should have been Greek. They are the Sons of the Hydra and sions of Alpharius and Omegon like come on. If anyone should be greek it's them
28;12 that's also spanish and itallians
Love your input on this! Yeah I think I agree on the Imperial Fists
@@livefromtheblacklibrary yeah slowly went over the entire video sorry for the text dump