The Alpha Legion Is Overpowered - So Why Are They So Useless? | Warhammer 40k Lore

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  • @majorkill
    @majorkill  Рік тому +396

    I feel like I am so close to unlocking the Matrix and uncovering the true nature of the Alpha Legion...
    I just need to melt my brain a bit more and we will be there
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    • @withlovefromlightindust591
      @withlovefromlightindust591 Рік тому +2

      Hello Majorkill,
      Would you please make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy, and the High Lords of Terra? Pretty please? Thank you.

    • @ethanham9237
      @ethanham9237 Рік тому +5

      You should make some 40k alpha legion space marines for major minis. Us alpha legion lovers don’t get that much support from GW

    • @TheArcane10
      @TheArcane10 Рік тому +3

      Brother can you make Animated film on Horus Heresy 😢
      Please

    • @huwwatkins6736
      @huwwatkins6736 Рік тому +1

      Your next piece of merchandise should be BJJ gi

    • @datmedic2857
      @datmedic2857 Рік тому +5

      Hydra Dominatus !

  • @saintricardo8746
    @saintricardo8746 Рік тому +759

    I liked that their father figure was not the emperor, but Malcador. Hence, all the mind games and bullshittery that come along with it

    • @falloutfable1049
      @falloutfable1049 Рік тому +86

      And malcador just blatantly being to the two primarchs like.
      "Sorry. Your future is fucked. But there is something to fight for"
      *Proceeds* *to* *explain* *everything*

  • @YoungClarke
    @YoungClarke Рік тому +1121

    Omegon honestly has a pretty sad story. its clear in the Alpharius book that they aren't just twins, they are very much apart of each other with Alpharius feeling something within him was missing until he found Omegon. So to not only deceive and work against Alpharius, but to play a considerable part in his death, would have been monumentally difficult.
    And after his death, Omegon was essentially alone. The loyalist primarchs considered him a tratior and monster, the traitor primarchs he secretly opposed and stood against (if traitor primarchs were even capable of working together or feeling any sense of kinship) and the vast majority of his legion had embraced chaos due to the misguided actions of Alpharius. All he can do now is work with his remaining loyalist sons to undermine the traitor legions (and kill his other sons along the way.) There doesn't seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel for Omegon, at least without Games Workshop devoting some serious time to his and Alpha Legion's story.
    He made the right decisions and lost everything regardless.

    • @zaczane
      @zaczane Рік тому +33

      I wonder if they had the Mind Drift thing like from Pacific rim…..but like All the time.

    • @OscarDataTech
      @OscarDataTech Рік тому +79

      I see him as an ally for the yellow king, and that could be a major win for the lore

    • @primary2630
      @primary2630 Рік тому +61

      Just the place he needs to be to do his job. Also I believe it was Omegon disguised as Alpharius when he was killed. The real Alpharius was using Omegon's name at the time

    • @johngrammaticus861
      @johngrammaticus861 Рік тому +16

      @@primary2630 Yup thank you for that bit of information that seems to be always missed hehe

    • @AnnihilatedHope
      @AnnihilatedHope Рік тому +76

      But we forget one thing: wasn't it actually Alpharius who was the one remaining loyal and Omegon the one believing the cabal? Because in the Book Alpharius we learn that they swapped their places. So when Horus "discovered" Alpharius, it was actually Omegon, discovered earlier by his Brother. This would mean that Omegon was the one plotting against big E and it was Omegon who was slain by Dorn, believing him to be Alpharius

  • @marqs2065
    @marqs2065 Рік тому +470

    The best way to describe aplha legion is how orks describe their god:
    Alpharius is traitor but loyal
    Omegon is loyal but traitor

    • @CrimsonVrs
      @CrimsonVrs Рік тому +15

      Actually amazing

    • @hurrhurrmurr
      @hurrhurrmurr Рік тому +42

      Also, Alpharius is actually Omegon and Omegon is actually Alpharius

    • @marqs2065
      @marqs2065 Рік тому +8

      @@hurrhurrmurr alpharius change places with omegon, and when the alpharius died, omegon started called himself alpharius.

    • @MusMasi
      @MusMasi Рік тому +39

      and One is Cunningly Clever and the other is Cleverly Cunning!!

    • @thebossbrothers123
      @thebossbrothers123 Рік тому +6

      @@marqs2065 Its more like Omegon is Omegon's real name but he was given the title and alias of Alpharius to use as he pleases by his brother "Alpharius" but Emperor knows "Alpharius" real name.

  • @TheWarmachine375
    @TheWarmachine375 Рік тому +663

    Majorkill: "Do you seriously believe your own hype that much?"
    Alpha Legion: *"WE ARE THE HYPE!"*

    • @ArdentiOccasum
      @ArdentiOccasum Рік тому +40

      WE ARE THE ALPHARIUS

    • @bencegyulakis3824
      @bencegyulakis3824 Рік тому +7

      We are legion!

    • @CF-or3ci
      @CF-or3ci Рік тому +5

      Hype among us

    • @blakeryan658
      @blakeryan658 Рік тому +4

      @OMNISLASHER1000
      One…it would take one because we are one.

    • @TheAHuman
      @TheAHuman Рік тому +1

      @OMNISLASHER1000 when we Alpha Legion members say “I am Alpharius” we are not joking…

  • @jonathan6401
    @jonathan6401 Рік тому +1867

    How each pre-heresy primarch would react to the current imperium when placed in Gullimans shoes would be a cool video idea

    • @antodiyo7523
      @antodiyo7523 Рік тому +60

      Let's go brother and sister

    • @antodiyo7523
      @antodiyo7523 Рік тому +65

      For the algorithm For the emperor

    • @hercules2342
      @hercules2342 Рік тому +17

      That would be a great video indeed!!!

    • @Lokishand
      @Lokishand Рік тому +51

      I guess only pre-heresy Lorgar would be happy.

    • @ZajiSabb
      @ZajiSabb Рік тому +6

      The video WE deserve..!

  • @TheWarmachine375
    @TheWarmachine375 Рік тому +373

    1:22 The Spear of Alpharius is believed to be a Necron weapon that can easily shear molecules apart.

    • @Jenksz
      @Jenksz Рік тому +35

      Ah so the Spear of Alpharius is also my Ex?

    • @liamcivil5978
      @liamcivil5978 Рік тому +20

      I thought the pale spear was slaugth tech due to it leaving bloodless wounds with a black oily smoke/ichor

    • @zaczane
      @zaczane Рік тому +4

      @@liamcivil5978 Metal!

    • @liamcivil5978
      @liamcivil5978 Рік тому

      @@zaczane yeah the slaugth were some crazy ass xenos that tortured omegon

    • @zaczane
      @zaczane Рік тому +2

      @@liamcivil5978 even more Metal!

  • @thatotherguy8138
    @thatotherguy8138 Рік тому +471

    I'd imagine that one of the main reasons that the Alpha Legion seems to be so useless is that GW painted themselves into a corner with them - kind of like what they're finding themselves roped into with the Lion, who is supposed to be an absolute beast of a man, strategist of super-human intelligence... and now they have to grapple with him doing unbelievably stupid things during the Horus Heresy. (leaving 30k Astartes out of the combat, being tricked by Perturabo, etc.) The Alpha Legion are masters of infiltration and plans within plans within plans. They're essentially the Astartes version of the Emperor, where everything is going Just As Planned, no matter how insane it looks.
    And that's incredibly hard to use because it is so easy to come across as lazy deus ex Alpha Legion rather than a carefully crafted plot. So you have to tell it from the Alpha Legion PoV just to make what happens believable to the reader, rather than just "And then... Alpha Legion.". (this is what is making the Lion story so good - we're seeing it from HIS perspective, and so it doesn't come down to "And then... the Lion appears.", and we get to see him work through things in his mind, so we understand where he's coming from.)

    • @charleskilleen
      @charleskilleen Рік тому +47

      We need Omegon to be the next "loyalist" primarch to return. Perhaps he plays a major role to twart vashtor and save the imperium in doing so revealing himself as a loyalist primarch.

    • @mr.joesterr5359
      @mr.joesterr5359 Рік тому +33

      Makes sense. An entire legion of space marine batmans. how do you write them to NOT conquer the entire galaxy lol

    • @zrrion6the6insect6
      @zrrion6the6insect6 Рік тому +30

      they have the same problem writing a lot of the primarchs honestly. The problem with writing a super smart character is you have to also be pretty smart, otherwise the character doesn't come off as smart, they come off as a stupid person's idea of what a smart person is like. The Last Church is probably the worst example of this sort of thing, the emperor is supposedly a super smart dude who can see the future and knows the futility of religion from a very informed and well reasoned position, but when he actually argues it in the story it's the weakest 13 year old atheist arguing with their mom about not going to church style arguments imaginable. And on top of the alpha legion having to be very smart they're also very sneaky, so you have to write a convincingly smart plan done by convincingly smart people but also obscure a lot of it because it's being done in secret while also not making it feel like deus ex machina. That's a lot of work so it's no wonder it isn't pulled off often.
      Would be better IMO to write the modern alpha legion as one where they're not actually making plans or being coordinated; instead of a hydra, where multiple heads are working together from a single body, they are more like an ouroboros, where one head is eating itself. They're not doing anything productive, they're just going in circles. Then you bring back omegon and have him break the ouroboros and remake the legion. Maybe change the legion symbol to an ouroboros and change the colour scheme while you're at it. Make him explicitly not loyal to the emperor, but loyal to humanity itself. They're not loyal to chaos, they're not serving imperium nihilus, and they're not serving imperium sanctus. Would keep their motivations nebulous while allowing them to commit to some concrete goals and make public moves but since they're not a loyalist primarch returning it wouldn't be a win for the imperium.
      (omegon and peter turbo making their own independent human empire in the materium would be cool as hell IMO even if I know it would never happen)

    • @Night-Rider101
      @Night-Rider101 Рік тому +1

      Bro wrote a paragraph 💀

    • @joshuaashkar6644
      @joshuaashkar6644 Рік тому +1

      @@zrrion6the6insect6 I have always loved the dark Angels and in particular Cypher as a character, he is mysterious, is he fallen is he loyal, what is his plan? fuck knows but then I got into the Alpha Legion and it's the same aesthetic, plus they also have a very Western model of every soldier can do the job above, etc. I agree when told from their perspective things are less deus ex machina. I think they just need more stories that put them in a position where they have to face off against both sides, serving an unseen goal, like the fact that the big E got saint celestine to help them that time shows that not all is what it seems.

  • @Dimitriterrorman
    @Dimitriterrorman Рік тому +267

    A good example of their effectiveness was when the entire dark angels chapter went to vraks, they got ambushed and lost 200 marines within less than an hour and the alpha legion had disappeared before the dark angels could counter attack

    • @nafisfaiaz3993
      @nafisfaiaz3993 Рік тому +26

      The great grandmaster Azrael tucked tail and ran, also he almost lost his life.

  • @unatco6554
    @unatco6554 Рік тому +359

    Shroud of Night is a criminally underrated novel and its a serious shame the Alpha Legion doesnt get more love beyond the heresy.

    • @Ranzoir
      @Ranzoir Рік тому +34

      To me they are by far the most interesting legion. There’s nothing they cannot do.

    • @Sjakkel
      @Sjakkel Рік тому +14

      One of the best 40k books I've read, awsom from start to finish

    • @surrealsireel505
      @surrealsireel505 Рік тому +5

      Real, kharn even shows up its awesome

    • @dr.stronk9857
      @dr.stronk9857 Рік тому +4

      They’re so cool, only reasons I don’t get them because I got no money and they’re so under represented it’s not even funny, they need more minis and rules damn it!

    • @thomask5434
      @thomask5434 Рік тому +2

      The best legions for me don`t get that many coverage. Ravenguard, Alpha Legion, Night Lords and White Scars.

  • @Ace11Sky
    @Ace11Sky Рік тому +28

    Omegon posing as a Fallen to join up with The Lion would be a sick twist and possibly allow the two primarchs to talk. Omegon would return, but not immediately blow his cover as loyalist while letting him to loyalist stuff in a new way.

    • @joshuaashkar6644
      @joshuaashkar6644 Рік тому +6

      Omegon being Cypher would be par for the course at this point

  • @_NIKOS9_NIKOS
    @_NIKOS9_NIKOS Рік тому +137

    Personally I like to brlieve that none of them besides Omegon really knows for sure whose sides they are supposed to be on and are too embarrassed to ask, so they go around doing whatever the plot demans of them and hopping that it wil all make sense in the end. Meanwhile Omegon assumes that everyone actually knows wtf they are doing so he just lets them do whatever

    • @bryanguitguiten3977
      @bryanguitguiten3977 Рік тому +23

      "A plan is great when there is no plan"
      - Omegon, probably

    • @ra_alf9467
      @ra_alf9467 Рік тому +19

      "The enemies will never know your plan if you didn't have any plan to begin with"
      -Alpharius (?)

    • @jmm2461
      @jmm2461 Рік тому +1

      😂

  • @RatchildUK
    @RatchildUK Рік тому +149

    Omegon (Alpharius) is one of the coolest characters in 40k. Hope he turns up in some form sooner rather than later.

    • @kayraurkmez2032
      @kayraurkmez2032 Рік тому +9

      I feel like gw will gaslight the shit outta people by alpha legionaries in different trailers, and after a while everyone forget about it they will do the funi hifi rush reveal thing

    • @TheAHuman
      @TheAHuman Рік тому +2

      AL showed up a lot in the Arks of Omen. Maybe it is a sign that they will be released in 10th.

    • @WarmasterXVI
      @WarmasterXVI Рік тому +1

      All primarchs will be back eventually. Give it time.

    • @mistywww3199
      @mistywww3199 Рік тому +1

      @@TheAHuman Probably not 10th, They will finish the mainline chaos god space marines with emperors children before moving onto the undivided factions I think

  • @SlaaneshiChosen_Carmena
    @SlaaneshiChosen_Carmena Рік тому +698

    It always struck me that Alpha Legion and Dark Angels were originally supposed to be identically comparable, First and Last, one entirely focused on combat, the other entirely on information, both with half their legion serving the other side. The fact that this isn’t how things panned out may be an example of loyalist favoritism is writing unfortunately.

    • @JJJBunney001
      @JJJBunney001 Рік тому +36

      How is that loyalist favouritism?

    • @theHound-bd1fb
      @theHound-bd1fb Рік тому +113

      With all the dark angles secrecy, and half of their legion being fallen, the dark angels and Alpha Legion actually are kind of similar

    • @GhettoInsane
      @GhettoInsane Рік тому +6

      Was there a Alpha Legion member in the custodes?

    • @_NutcasE_
      @_NutcasE_ Рік тому +96

      @@GhettoInsane Only alpha legion member who has ever managed to mimic a custodian was the primarch himself. and even that for a limited time by wearing an armor of a custode he killed himself to gain the armor. Case in point, you cant infiltrate Custodes long term. Everyone of them is a somebody with custom made personal arsenal. Alpha Legionnaire could not kill a custodian nor could he mimic one well enough that the others wouldnt notice. How do I know? Well their primarch couldnt do it so neither can they.

    • @LouisKing995
      @LouisKing995 Рік тому +13

      @@_NutcasE_ I think a juiced up demi-primarch probably could kill a custodian. But it depends how super mega ultra mega awesome sauce x1million you choose to believe the custodians are lol.

  • @cademiksek6769
    @cademiksek6769 Рік тому +99

    Fun fact: Alpharius and Omegon actually swapped places shortly after Omegon was found, and swapped names as well to maintain the illusion. Omegon was the cocky one who thought he knew the will of the Emperor better than his father. It adds to the tragedy quite nicely I think. Alpharius' brother slain by Dorn, with none of the primarch ever having truly gotten to meet him.

    • @angelcorrea985
      @angelcorrea985 Рік тому +22

      I was wondering why he didn't add that omegon is actually alpharius, the sword in the dark

    • @douglaslangley9251
      @douglaslangley9251 Рік тому +12

      Ah but that book starts with "I am alpharius...that was a lie" meaning the swap may have happened even before that!

    • @Mrsalt7500
      @Mrsalt7500 10 місяців тому +10

      @@douglaslangley9251That’s not what it means. The book begins with that phrase and then tells the story of how the second twin (calling himself Alpharius) met Horus. Basically that beginning phrase is a hint for the reveal that, when the twins meet at the end, they switch names only at that moment.

  • @lewishorsman2219
    @lewishorsman2219 Рік тому +16

    Imagine the Lion & Guilliman are chatting about Alpha Legion shenanigans and the Lion goes “These actions do not seem at second glance to be malicious in nature. There seems to be a secondary effect which is more prominent than the initial action. What is our little brother up to…”

  • @dirtyblonde1011
    @dirtyblonde1011 Рік тому +30

    Prediction time - either sometime during late 10th or early 11th edition, Alpha legion will be playabe as both loyalist and traitor. On top of that, they'll get a single primarch model that can be played in either, going by a different name but being 100% identical play-wise

    • @The-Despoiler-XVI
      @The-Despoiler-XVI 3 місяці тому

      Closest thing we got was a nice detachment for csm, Loving it

  • @gumbercules3925
    @gumbercules3925 Рік тому +10

    With the alpha legions endless skullduggery and monkeyshines, its amazing that tzeentch never snatched them up as his own.

  • @grantlim6275
    @grantlim6275 Рік тому +80

    Alpha legion discussion! Thanks for highlighting them. I wish they were more active in the lore since they are underrrated. They are most intriguing to me right now.

    • @QuayNemSorr
      @QuayNemSorr Рік тому +7

      They are very difficult to write properly. Stealth, tricks, subterfuge and espionage sounds like a single assassin not a Space Marine Legion.

    • @refugeehugsforfree4151
      @refugeehugsforfree4151 Рік тому

      Yea they're very interesting IMO as a Noob at 40k lore tho, so take that for what it's worth

    • @geronimo5537
      @geronimo5537 3 місяці тому

      @@QuayNemSorr alpha legion is like a chest burster from the movie alien. You get implanted with them without realizing it until they shown themselves destroying everything you are. Building strength off your body until its a husk.

  • @HeisenbergFam
    @HeisenbergFam Рік тому +60

    Its crazy how ineffective they are, considering when you look at Alpha Legion they give "fck around and find out" vibes

    • @terriblecompany1588
      @terriblecompany1588 Рік тому +22

      That’s because they themselves have also not found out

    • @Subject_Keter
      @Subject_Keter Рік тому +2

      A real scary Legion wouldnt need to hold up a scary thing on a stick, they would come in smack people around and smack the people so hard they fly off the planet.

    • @670HP-Package-NOW
      @670HP-Package-NOW Рік тому +10

      ​@@Subject_Keter Matt Ward Ultramarines

    • @ReconCrusader
      @ReconCrusader Рік тому

      It's because when they lose its on purpose

  • @squaresphere
    @squaresphere Рік тому +52

    Great video, the major issue with Alpha Legion coming back to the setting is basically how would the Loyalist faction fit into the narrative. Their function during the great crusade made sense, destabilize a world to make it easier for other legions to mop up. But when you're fighting factions like Nids and Necrons, their ability to mimic and infiltrate doesn'seem that useful. My best conjecture would be they would be prime to infiltrate the Voltan to get some of that sweet STC tech.

    • @Anthony74561
      @Anthony74561 Рік тому +5

      There's still factions like the Tau, and chaos cultists are always a problem.

  • @trimeerious4349
    @trimeerious4349 Рік тому +66

    Getting a video about how each of the pre heresy primarchs ( before their fall ) would react to waking up in the current imperium ( like Guilliman ) would be pretty cool ngl , seeing how they rule their imperium would be great

    • @NP3GA
      @NP3GA Рік тому +2

      It would be great indeed and that's why it should happen

    • @joncarter3761
      @joncarter3761 Рік тому

      Lorgar would have a religious boner for being proven right about big E for sure

    • @_NutcasE_
      @_NutcasE_ Рік тому +1

      I would imagine the reason why he doesnt do it, after all this time people asking is because it wouldnt be much of a video. 80% would react the same way as guilliman, and rest would either celebrate, weep or be indifferent. doesnt give much to work with when making a video.

  • @Its_Cannon
    @Its_Cannon Рік тому +77

    Just my theory, but what if Omegon smuggled the true plans to Constatin Valdor, and thats how he's managed to create a massive army without the Emperor or Malcador.

    • @SirEggo2412
      @SirEggo2412 Рік тому +12

      What if Omegon still has the plans and has done nothing but mass produce legions of space marines for the past 10k years

    • @highflame4984
      @highflame4984 Рік тому +6

      That makes me think, what if Omegon pupeteered Cawl in order to have him create the primaris marines, while they are actually based on those plans

    • @gamechanger8908
      @gamechanger8908 Рік тому +8

      ​@@highflame4984 tbh Primaris would of made more sense if it was the Raptor Project the Alpha Legion stole 10k years ago. Rather than "hehe Cawl is smarter than the Emperor"

    • @670HP-Package-NOW
      @670HP-Package-NOW 11 місяців тому +2

      ​@@gamechanger8908 Apologies for the necro but I'm pretty sure its more framed as "cawl went insane over thousands of years splitting his personality and melding his mind dozens if not hundreds of times just trying to understand the Emperor's design"

  • @TheWarmachine375
    @TheWarmachine375 Рік тому +10

    6:32 Alpharius: "TACO THURSDAY IS SUPERIOR!"
    Rogal Dorn: *"No."*

    • @NP3GA
      @NP3GA Рік тому

      DEATH TO THE FOLLOWERS OF THE FALLS TACO DAY

  • @ravenguard0098
    @ravenguard0098 Рік тому +45

    Would be interesting for Guilliman to learn about Omegon since he probably only knew about Alpharius even more so if he learns that Omegon is somewhat a loyalist then things get awkward due to their rivalries.

    • @joshuaashkar6644
      @joshuaashkar6644 Рік тому +1

      WOuldnt work out, as they have the same face and all their bullshittery, they would just see them and go death to the traitor. Alpharius may have had the motive of actually showing dorn his weaknesses and his intention may not have even been to kill his brother, it may have been to just help him better prepare for hours, but Dorn didn't give a shit he went kill mode, and then fixed up all of the things Alpharius' had pointed out in the attack. The only brothers that actually respected Alpharius were the lion and Horus every one else kept him at arm's length or disliked him immensely

    • @cyantile5490
      @cyantile5490 Рік тому +4

      ​@@joshuaashkar6644 well the lion is back

    • @joshuaashkar6644
      @joshuaashkar6644 Рік тому

      @@cyantile5490 which would make the cypher is omegon theory just so much better IMO. he hid as a servant of the brother he respected the most

    • @lordgod9958
      @lordgod9958 8 місяців тому

      ​@joshuaashkar6644 he never takes off his mask and knows way too many dark secrets, he knows the layout of the imperial palace, Big e himself was willing to talk to him...

  • @crimsonknight7011
    @crimsonknight7011 Рік тому +20

    I like the theory that they are actually triplets and there is a 3rd one because of how their symbol has 3 heads and not 2

    • @Ragnarra
      @Ragnarra Рік тому

      Targaryen before it was even a word in our tongue mate.

  • @nickperfetti7976
    @nickperfetti7976 Рік тому +14

    Dude the art makes alpha legion look so cool. Really hope they eventually come to the table top

  • @ivanivanovic5586
    @ivanivanovic5586 Рік тому +12

    How convenient, just recently having read the shroud of night AND sons of the hydra. Good points. It's just the matter of which story continuation (or both) should reintroduce omegon into the setting. Come to think of it, a model might be in order as well.

  • @Warpedlogical
    @Warpedlogical Рік тому +5

    You forgot the whole part about the two brothers, when they first reunited, which their names around and A became O (and vice versa). Along with O (which is A) being hinted at being by the Yellow Kings side. Atleast that is the latest lore on them

  • @ethan_6strings186
    @ethan_6strings186 Рік тому +79

    So I have a theory to go along with this
    So in the alpharius book it was confirmed that omegon and alpharius swapped names so it wasn’t that alphabarius was dumb (even though he was) it was that he wa actually omegon and omegon had not spent time with the emperor in r reall figured out his ideals and goals which is why alpharius (who is actually omegon) sided with horus because of his warped view of the emperors vision thinking he cared more about a chaos death then humanity’s survival
    Also apparently after the death of alpharius (omegon) omegon (alpharius) took the name alpharius to honor his dead brother alpharius (omegon) even though alpharius was omegon and omegon was alpharius
    Confused? I know I am

    • @Bobrob1597
      @Bobrob1597 Рік тому +3

      I rationalized that not only did they change names but also minds to better sell the lie. They then had their minds wiped and altered a little to make them forget they swapped minds. So Alpharius still lives in Omegon’s body not realizing he is the real Alpharius all along. Secrets within secrets as the Alpha Legion always says.

    • @Gaelek13
      @Gaelek13 Рік тому +7

      It's confirmed that Alpharius and Omegon swapped identities for the purposes of meeting Horus only. Alpharius was always Alpharius, Omegon was always Omegon. They simply agreed to have it be Omegon who met Horus when Horus found "Alpharius"

    • @wangchung2157
      @wangchung2157 Рік тому +1

      If you are confused then all is as it should be because Omegon might be Alpharius but Alphatius was Omegon eventough in reality Omegon was actually Alpharius who turned out to be Omegon. Who wouldve guessed amirite

    • @skullbashr1
      @skullbashr1 Рік тому +6

      ​@@Gaelek13 it wasn't just for meeting Horus, it was confirmed that omegon would be alpharius omegon the head of the legion when they came out of the shadows, the real alpharius kept in the shadows so as omegon pretended to be alpharius.
      So yes in my interpretation the actual brother who died was omegon and the survivor is alpharius?

    • @Gaelek13
      @Gaelek13 Рік тому

      @@skullbashr1 they didn't swap names. The author himself stated that Omegon met Horus posing as his twin, but that was it.

  • @eallaterza
    @eallaterza Рік тому +2

    Love how you forfeited the sponsor to show your minis, it was pretty wholesome.
    Nice job, btw! The Fire Lord's armature looks just a li'l flat for my tastes, but still an excellent resul! You're way better than me than when I started (almost 2 years ago), at least you can paint in the lines :E

  • @averageexistenceenjoyer3950
    @averageexistenceenjoyer3950 Рік тому +13

    As a wise Alpha Legionnaire once said "METAL BAWKSES?!"

  • @nat.m.portant9959
    @nat.m.portant9959 Рік тому +37

    You forgot that when Alpharius found Omegon, they swapped names. So Omegon (Alpharius) is still alive while Alpharius (Omegon) is the one that died.

  • @benjin0311
    @benjin0311 Рік тому +10

    This video made me realise out of all the chapters Alpha Legion is the one I knew next to nothing about..... but then I guess that's exactly how they'd like it 😏

  • @zrrion6the6insect6
    @zrrion6the6insect6 Рік тому +5

    Bringing omegon back to fight w/ demon fulgrim would be a really cool development. It would explain why neither of them have been publicly active for the most part, fulgrim is mostly interested in selfish pleasure and omegon is fueling the emperor's children legion's more selfish interests to keep them distracted and fragmented so that they can't unify and cause a problem. Or maybe he and corax have been harrassing lorgar together, that would be an interesting development considering those legion's history

    • @Ragnarra
      @Ragnarra Рік тому

      I like the fact both ideas are reasonable.

  • @coltonosmond6474
    @coltonosmond6474 Рік тому +8

    I still really hope Omegon is Cypher. It'd be such a cool introduction if he were to give the Lion is sword

  • @Channel-23s
    @Channel-23s Рік тому +2

    The group so conflicted and confused you’d think they are trolling or got a mental disorder biggest meme possible but truly fascinating having a internal secret war/sabotage

  • @timeforthehammer1401
    @timeforthehammer1401 Рік тому +4

    I wish I could remember what novel it was but I remember reading they were the last legion to be found (obviously) but they brought so many worlds under compliance so quickly that they would’ve eventually overtaken the ultramarines (who at the time had brought the most planets under compliance through the great crusade) record.

  • @withlovefromlightindust591
    @withlovefromlightindust591 Рік тому +12

    Hello Majorkill,
    Would you please make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy, and the High Lords of Terra? Pretty please? Thank you.

  • @patrickbo2045
    @patrickbo2045 Рік тому +11

    I'd agree there, the Alpha Legion for sure is massively underutilised and we'd all love to hear more of em!

  • @fmbrown8566
    @fmbrown8566 Рік тому +7

    Honestly alpharius was giving dorn the hands, if he wasn’t so determined to try and tell dorn what he knew then it would’ve been a really tough fight for dorn

    • @joshuaashkar6644
      @joshuaashkar6644 Рік тому +3

      agreed Alpharius was trying to let dorn know his position while they fought, he needed to put dorn in a position where he could actually explain, talking while fighting is a distraction and ended badly for A

  • @Automere
    @Automere Рік тому +44

    Can you do Malcador’s relationship with each primarch?

    • @grantlim6275
      @grantlim6275 Рік тому +5

      Yes! Please include art of Malcador and his righteous psyker chokeslam on Horus.

  • @LRodz279
    @LRodz279 Рік тому +41

    A video on how the other primarchs life would be if they landed on Nuceria would be fun

    • @TopKekGun
      @TopKekGun Рік тому

      Actually sounds dope

    • @RecoveringLoLAddict
      @RecoveringLoLAddict Рік тому +1

      Fulgrim landing on Nuceria
      Eldar ambush party be like : ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ▄︻̷̿┻̿═━一

    • @bloodangel19
      @bloodangel19 Рік тому

      Imagine Sanguinnius just telling the slavers to fuck off as he flies into the sunset like an oversized roid dove.

    • @TheAHuman
      @TheAHuman Рік тому

      I think most of them wouldn’t have the butcher’s nails given Angron was given them because he was originally the Emperors compassion or something along those lines

    • @YourStylesGeneric321
      @YourStylesGeneric321 Рік тому

      Not turn out like Angron is the answer

  • @morningchaps
    @morningchaps Рік тому +2

    Video ideas - “My Favourite Fan Artists”, “What Abilities/Qualities We’re The 2nd & 11th Legions Supposed To Bring To The Battlefield That The Other Legions Lacked?” (speculative, and too wordy for a title, but you can sort that out, that’s what you get the big bucks for, Big Goudas), “Who Is The Next Traitor Primarch To Re-Appear?”, “Is White Dwarf Still Worth Buying/Can It Be Better?”, “Best & Worst Psyker Abilities”, “Craftworlds - Who’s Left, What Impact Will They Have In The New Edition?”.

  • @stratigangames508
    @stratigangames508 Рік тому +17

    This is why the Alpha Legion is my Chaos legion of choice. They're super interesting in the Lore department and their armor scheme is awesome.

    • @goldjaw
      @goldjaw Рік тому +4

      This is why the Alpha Legion is my favorite Loyalist legion. They’ve got the skills and strategies to work towards their goals with utter efficiency.

  • @NP3GA
    @NP3GA Рік тому +531

    Day seventy seven of asking majorkill to compare Abaddon and Archaeon

    • @adamzhariff7295
      @adamzhariff7295 Рік тому +10

      I was literally looking for a video like this yesterday

    • @EPICLIGIT
      @EPICLIGIT Рік тому +13

      I’m waiting for when he does it so for the attempt at pronouncing your name

    • @robanybody84
      @robanybody84 Рік тому +1

      Interesting, plus what R.S. Lozano said.

    • @kieranwalsh2058
      @kieranwalsh2058 Рік тому +1

      @@EPICLIGIT Google translate time

    • @jkee9760
      @jkee9760 Рік тому +1

      I was doing this for Tech Marines. And not just a one off bit

  • @AwesomeSauce1171
    @AwesomeSauce1171 Рік тому +9

    My personal theory for the Alpha Legions loyalty is that they're not loyal to anyone but the astartes. They're like the Diamond Dogs of 40k, making sure that there's constant war and therefor always a need for astartes.

    • @Ragnarra
      @Ragnarra Рік тому

      A accurate representation of their relationship with everyone.

  • @shawnradcliffe3514
    @shawnradcliffe3514 Рік тому +1

    Gotta say that before this uploaded I gained newfound respect and admiration for Alpharious Omegon. They both are just so much more chill that most of the other Primarchs. Alpharious doesn't have the quite ridgged command structure like the other legions, giving everyone in his presence; be they astartes, mortal humans, tech adepts, ect, a chance to voice their opinions without repercussions. And genuinely caring about their opinions, very rarely writing them off.
    Like, there is this part in the Head of the Hydra book where Alpharious is doing a fact-finding mission to locate Omegon. While he's questioning the humans that have the information he needs the whole city erupts into violent civil unrest. After taking care of business he confronts the mortals again and you think he's about to off them (two mothers and a child) because they saw his face and could now recognize him. But he was like "Nah, chill. You work for me now. Would be a hell of a lot safer than sticking around here, wouldn't you say so?" Absolute bro move.

  • @celambor
    @celambor Рік тому +2

    For someone who only recently started to paint, your custodian's power sword are gorgeous! Of course the blend could be smoother (they always can be), but it's still really nice looking
    Flexing your painted mini as a sponsor is a tight idea

  • @elbeillustration762
    @elbeillustration762 Рік тому +14

    Alpharius specifically says he IS playing both sides (The End And The Death: Volume 1- Dan Abnett).
    Although, he's Alpharius, so there's a high chance he's lying.
    By the same token though- the only confirmation (I am aware of) we have of Alpharius's death: is from Omegon saying he felt it. (He's Omegon, so there's a high chance he's lying.)

    • @lordgod9958
      @lordgod9958 8 місяців тому +1

      In Saturnine when the dorne kills the Alpha legion primarch there's a wind and a flash of light exactly like what happened after ferrus mannus became ferrus headless
      The primarch supposedly killed by Gman is much more unclear, afaik there isn't much to confirm or deny if it was just a legionaire

  • @Noisemarine
    @Noisemarine Рік тому +12

    Even without the marine blueprint the alpha legion have the cunning and patience to carve off a handful of imperial world's and build themselves up in numbers of standard marines far beyond the Ultramarines at the height of the great crusade much like Huron attempted with the astral claws only they would do a much better job and I think this would make for a nice trilogy in the current 40k timeline.

    • @Freedmoon44
      @Freedmoon44 Рік тому +1

      And hell they have Omegon/Alpharius around still and unlike litteraly all other Chaos primarchs which are corrupted, he isnt due to not being in the eye for all this time.
      Meaning they still have a pure source of geneseed to build themselves a legion, and 10k years to slowly build it

  • @brickwall9781
    @brickwall9781 Рік тому +3

    I wonder if there's anything to look at with the arrival of the Primaris and the tacit use of traitor geneseed. It could have connections to the Raven Guards' foiled project and Omegon's involvement. Maybe Omegon did give Cawl a hand in his Primaris project. Be definitely a good chance to have a reborn legion live on through those chapters that are derived from him!
    I'm thinking it could also be a good factor to posthumously revise the complaint in how the writing seemed like Cawl came out of nowhere and pulled the Primaris out of his ass. I'm sure no one knows how to keep this information in the dark better than Omegon.

  • @stripeybag6977
    @stripeybag6977 Рік тому +2

    Other moments of Loyalist Alpha Legion moments is during the Siege of Terra the First Captain of the Alpha Legion actually tried to activate the thousands of stasis bound Alpha legionaries under the palace in favor of the Loyalist. In 42k after the rift was opened a team was dispatched to extract a powerful psyker capable of being a mini Astronimican and were allowed to leave by Celestine after she received a message from the Emperor. Also was Alpharious actually Omegon in the end and a way to tell was his army was the less flashy of the two and he'd actually reference himself as Omegon despite no one really knowing about him.
    Also obligatory asking for a Major Mini for Commissar Yarrick from Omegon.

  • @dicksoncider5099
    @dicksoncider5099 Рік тому +4

    4:14 Majorkill is Alpharius confirmed

  • @RecoveringLoLAddict
    @RecoveringLoLAddict Рік тому +2

    I was wondering why the Emperor's Children aren't fucking around with the Eldar 24/7, being the chosen of Slaanesh and all.

  • @SonnyBear5
    @SonnyBear5 Рік тому

    this video had a serious tone to it unlike your other videos, and it’s about a legion that basically a meme at this point due to how shifty they are. Thanks Majorkill

  • @Tokumastu1
    @Tokumastu1 Рік тому +4

    Wait, didn't Alpharius and Omegon switch places at one point. Which also led to the possibility of Omegon being the one that died at the hands of Dorn, cause he was masquerading as Alpahrius.

  • @adolfovargas8639
    @adolfovargas8639 Рік тому +1

    They are waiting for the right moment, bringing in another 1,000,000 super soldiers to help the Imperium

  • @nshilts5829
    @nshilts5829 Рік тому +2

    I think it would be interesting to have omegon try to return to the fold through the lion and the two meet rowboat together and have guilliman have difficulty deciding what to do ultimately releasing primaris alpha legions

  • @FrozenPyro06
    @FrozenPyro06 Рік тому

    It’s so cute how proud he is of his minis. Keep it up bro, they look really good

  • @musemews
    @musemews Рік тому +3

    The most straightforward explanation of the Alpha Legion I’ve heard so far 👍🏽

    • @Anni3sgotagun
      @Anni3sgotagun Рік тому +1

      Didn’t go through the complete history they did more than just this

    • @musemews
      @musemews Рік тому

      I am Alpharius

  • @davecolwell725
    @davecolwell725 Рік тому

    Love seeing you getting into the painting side man, welcome to the never ending climb :D

  • @Witerfell
    @Witerfell 2 місяці тому +1

    4:03 well said lol

  • @TheBlueDude56
    @TheBlueDude56 Рік тому

    Can't say it enough man, love your content, you convinced me to start painting minis, looking forward to getting a few of your Xenonids and your Ra models in the near future, keep up the excellent work man

  • @leafcultist
    @leafcultist Рік тому +3

    I think GW should maybe make a renegade human army, maybe have Omegon lead it. Or perhaps make it where they can be aligned with any human army, or can be played on their own (Kind of like the Agents of the Imperium, only both Chaos and the Imperium can make use of them)
    Hell, maybe you can add in the surviving Blackshields who didn't join the deathwatch, and maybe explore some renegade chapters who aren't directly chaotic or loyal, or are leaning loyalist! Though, this would maybe be unrealistic, both lore, meta and irl wise.
    I mean, you could hypothetically make a supplement for this (Maybe without omegon), and maybe models can be proxied with either generic chaos or imperial models. Though, this is probably just wishful thinking.
    Great video as always MK! Also your minis look amazing!

  • @taylorwilson6655
    @taylorwilson6655 Рік тому +1

    Personally. I think the Black Templars in the current setting are *by far* the strongest space marine chapter. From what we understand they have:
    - hypothesised numerous (like, quite a lot) of crusader fleets which outnumber chapters
    - having highly coveted relics of the imperium, the black swords being a good example
    - usual special character fluff stuff. Helbrect really is up there with the likes of bjorn & dante.
    - usually close relationship with the ellesarchy and soritias

  • @00dmb5
    @00dmb5 Рік тому

    AAAAyyyyyyy Majorkill!!!! Your painting skills have BLOWN UPPPP yeahhhhh!!!!! great work mate!

  • @terrysaunders7107
    @terrysaunders7107 Рік тому +4

    It's fortunate that Omegan assumed the role as chapter master of the minotaurs. Bronze is easier than the alpha legion paint scheme. He walks through custodes like he's trying to feign it's hard.

  • @Tim_Sviridov
    @Tim_Sviridov Рік тому

    Haven't watched your videos in a few months, and you look good, dude. Keep it up.

  • @update_withpain3269
    @update_withpain3269 Рік тому

    Honestly man? This is the longest i have gone with my warhammer lore addiction...and thank you majorkill

  • @squizmasterzero9342
    @squizmasterzero9342 Рік тому

    Great to see you getting into the painting side more

  • @Grego2070
    @Grego2070 Рік тому +3

    I would love if we got a Omegon model that both chaos and regular space marines could use

  • @rebeccahowell6100
    @rebeccahowell6100 Рік тому

    Damn fine paint job! You've improved so much!

  • @Notenoughwin
    @Notenoughwin Рік тому

    Really nice job with the painting, Major!

  • @NoTimeAllTime
    @NoTimeAllTime Рік тому +9

    One thing I picked up on regarding Alpharius: he is actually not that perceptive. His thoughts on his brother primarchs are very very surface level and he actually seems to take everything others say at face value. It is like he was trained in deception but unaware he could be deceived to such a extreme degree he couldn’t even fathom people having depth to them beyond what they immediately present.

    • @Freedmoon44
      @Freedmoon44 Рік тому +1

      I think its less due to him not being perceptive (dude did train with Malcador pretty much no one that interrzcts with Malcador so much end up not being a god of perception), and more due to him being super arrogant lol.
      He gets cocky as hell because he knows he can infiltrate most primarchs legion without them noticing even if they may suspect.
      Why would he think his brother are complex when he can trick them more easily than Valdor+the whole Custodes forces while keeping Malcador at bay.
      It ends up with Karma obviously, but his pov is understandable.
      Dude managed to approach the Lyon, paranoïac as he is, and managed to only raise his suspicion while in disguise afterrall ^^

  • @ShredGod7404
    @ShredGod7404 Рік тому +2

    5:52 I think the idea of a suppressed bolter is awesome

  • @kiloromeo1462
    @kiloromeo1462 Рік тому

    I think you are the only person to ever make any sense of the Alpha Legion. Thank you @Majorkill

  • @TomFynn
    @TomFynn Рік тому

    Majorkill: "Why Are They So Useless?"
    Alpha Legion: "Glad you think so."

  • @gabriellemorvan1423
    @gabriellemorvan1423 Рік тому

    A video on the gene seed of different legions would be pretty cool. Like going over their advantages, disadvantages, which is best and which is worst.

  • @ratz9387
    @ratz9387 Рік тому

    Love seeing your mini painting progress

  • @zacheryhunter1340
    @zacheryhunter1340 Рік тому +1

    I’ve always had a theory that they are out in the Ghoul Stars building a massive army secretly to wipe chaos off the map

  • @AlphariusXX426
    @AlphariusXX426 Рік тому +6

    Hydra Dominatus!

  • @Wafflemarine22
    @Wafflemarine22 Рік тому +1

    Just a matter of time before they find a writer willing to really jump into the Alpha Legion and flesh them out. I do like how the lore has so many things waiting for someone to make interesting novels about them.

  • @CptPhilippnes
    @CptPhilippnes Рік тому +2

    Ok ok so here's a what if. What if, Cawl DIDN'T design the Primaris? What if, the Primaris we have now was the unaltered plans of the Primaris design Omegon stole from the Raven Guard and passed along to Cawl by Omegon as a way to give the Imperium a fighting chance as a contingency plan?

  • @MarkL929
    @MarkL929 Рік тому

    G'day and keep on keepin' on Majorkill you sexy bastard. I love alphalegion lore so much.

  • @crimcrusader8459
    @crimcrusader8459 Рік тому +1

    So I guess this means that Omegon is pretty much a combination of Big Boss (Elements of both the Real and the Imposter Big Boss) as well as Revolver Ocelot from the entire Metal Gear Series.

  • @jdurthu4304
    @jdurthu4304 Рік тому

    Space dwarves from Major Minies when?
    Also amazing paint job mate!
    And interresting vid as always. Have a great day!

  • @theclip9938
    @theclip9938 Рік тому

    0:48 no sponsors or products today *shows off an incredible model with an amazing paint scheme you can buy off of this aussie man link in description of the vid*

  • @more4yourbuck
    @more4yourbuck Рік тому +1

    Could you imagine the one guy that's with the lion is a alpha legion member? Because he doesn't remove his helmet Infront of anyone? This could be huge in the future. Or could he be Omegan HIMSELF?! This shit about to get spicy AF

  • @Starfighter-nk4mo
    @Starfighter-nk4mo Рік тому

    9:12
    I’m sorry, is that a fucking bullpup, suppressed bolter with an under barrel eldar weapon?

  • @AbysmalAbyss
    @AbysmalAbyss 2 місяці тому

    Everything about this legion that I have learned about can be summed up to “we do a little trolling here”

  • @chuck2703
    @chuck2703 Рік тому

    Imagine if when Guilliman went to see the Emperor, it was really a husk of Alpharious on the throne.
    Alpharious : Help, me brother... I took this joke too far.
    Custodes : What did the Emperor say?
    Guilliman : We're going on another crusade!

  • @JinzoTK
    @JinzoTK Рік тому

    Alpharius: "Dad wants me to betray him. It's all part of his plan."
    Omegon: "He wants the Imperium he has being working so hard on, the imperium he saved, the imperium he created us to protect, and himseilf, to die? Letting chaos win now but foreseeing that it will die in the end?"
    Alpharius: "Yes."
    Omegon: "All that to defeat chaos."
    Alpharius: "It's brilliant!"

  • @rogersilva771
    @rogersilva771 Рік тому

    Great work as always.
    In the book Head of the Hydra, the Original Alpharius switched spots with Original Omegon when he was found. So Original Alpharius was loyal to the Imperium and Original Omegon was the traitor. I could be wrong but that’s how I read it.

  • @CZOM027
    @CZOM027 Рік тому

    This is Majorkill now? What a change, maybe not all for the better.

  • @mikeff15
    @mikeff15 Рік тому

    I always like seeing those sound suppressors on the end of Alpha Legion bolters.

  • @TakIe90
    @TakIe90 Рік тому

    That's a dope paintjob my guy. I don't know if I have ever commented or liked anything in my life but you get both for the algorithm.

  • @Arkantos117
    @Arkantos117 Рік тому +1

    The idea that the Emperor would sacrifice humanity to wipe out chaos when the goal was to wipe out chaos to save humanity is so braindead that it's amazing that they ever wrote it.

  • @jackperry4203
    @jackperry4203 Рік тому

    your painting is getting better majorK.

  • @edwardclay7551
    @edwardclay7551 Рік тому

    Love that your own Custodes are coming up so nicely bro.
    Are you building them as an Army or just a Kill Team sized force?
    Any other armies etc you are working on?