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  • @majorkill
    @majorkill  11 місяців тому +135

    Never gonna give up on your Alpha Legion, there's still time to become loyalist.
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    • @withlovefromlightindust591
      @withlovefromlightindust591 11 місяців тому +3

      Hello Majorkill,
      Would you please make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy, and the High Lords of Terra? Pretty please? Thank you.

    • @shmeeeeeep8797
      @shmeeeeeep8797 11 місяців тому +2

      As Alpharius, I can confirm that my legion is the Alpha Legion… probably.

    • @shmeeeeeep8797
      @shmeeeeeep8797 11 місяців тому

      Also a video about the different Inquisitor sects (Monodominants, Horusians, Thorians, Istvaanians) would be dope as hell.

    • @callumrichards7347
      @callumrichards7347 11 місяців тому

      My theory is this. Alpharius is dead, omegon leads the legion. Omegon knows the cabals 'prophecy' but chose option 3. He keeps chaos and the imperium at war, with no winner. The imperium lives. It does not die, it does not stay in stagnation exactly. He thinks there's no better way.

    • @Sciontabier
      @Sciontabier 11 місяців тому

      Please make a Nykona Sharrowkyn/Raven Guard inspired major mini.

  • @bludhuuntr4946
    @bludhuuntr4946 11 місяців тому +930

    Alpharius would get his taste smacked out of his mouth if malcador found out through the warp that his son went against his other father. I could never see Alpharius being disloyal after being raised by malcador and big E personally, along with a competitive rivalry with his older brother Valdor. Also remember the great name swap.

    • @monkeykingyo6359
      @monkeykingyo6359 11 місяців тому +69

      I think it’s proves 2 things, 1.Horus musta been Super convincing with high high charisma, 2. Even primarchs can have brain fart moments, in alpharius’s case millennia long brain farts 😂

    • @bludhuuntr4946
      @bludhuuntr4946 11 місяців тому +88

      ​@@monkeykingyo6359omegon definitely took the traitor role. But I think he knew it would mean he died but allowed for the great game to take shape. Alpharius now is nowhere to be found. Hidden in plain sight possibly. Waiting for his time. The Emperor first son will have his redemption.

    • @AlphariusDominatus
      @AlphariusDominatus 11 місяців тому +68

      ​@@bludhuuntr4946Alpharius was never a traitor. Omegon was.. Dorn killed Omegon. The End

    • @ohamatchhams
      @ohamatchhams 11 місяців тому +31

      @@bludhuuntr4946 Yeah, I personally would take the Live! from black library guy over Majorkill with this one, there's no way that OG Alpharius would betray The Emperor and Malcador's will like that, as he's supposed to be found before even Horus and Lion, although to simplify it further, only Alfa Legion's executives are loyalists (or at least pro-Emperor but anti-Imperium), meanwhile the legislatives, judicial bodies and the newer recruits are confused bunches that often drawn into the path of Chaos warband within Alfa Legion to the point their confusion breds civil war within their Legionary structures (despite it's being technically among the most intact Legion in 40K for 10.000 years after HH ended)

    • @michaelmastriano7566
      @michaelmastriano7566 11 місяців тому +21

      Malcador was the father who stepped up, not the stepfather

  • @wolflordgio6320
    @wolflordgio6320 11 місяців тому +244

    Absolutely love Omegon out of the two twins his agents were the best imo “What does your Primarch expect from you?” “Everything”…

  • @planetbob6703
    @planetbob6703 11 місяців тому +341

    Don’t forget Alpharius hiding in plain sight for the last ten thousand years. He’s been sitting on the golden Throne dressed up as a spooky skeleton! Gotta give dad time to build a secret force after all!

    • @magnusmillerwilson
      @magnusmillerwilson 11 місяців тому +11

      Nice. Best comment so far. ❤

    • @MikaalHasnain-ep7qu
      @MikaalHasnain-ep7qu 3 місяці тому

      Everyone jokes and some believe he's alive planning some nefarious shit. But he's a rotten carcass on pluto.

  • @vince5000
    @vince5000 11 місяців тому +44

    People say they are loyalist because it's confirmed in the book "The End and the Death"

    • @ultramarinescaptain3840
      @ultramarinescaptain3840 11 місяців тому +10

      "The End and the Death" does not confirm they are loyalist. Rather it gives an explanation for why the Alpha Legion is so confused. They had 3 contingency plans, as mentioned above, all trained into the minds of Alpha Legion agents. These marines were not activated all at once, and each was given a different directive. One Legionare ran Xenophon, the plan that makes him loyalist, while Ingo Pech ran on the traitor activation code. They do not confirm them as traitors or loyalists, rather those who fought in the heresy were running on contingency plans that only the Alpha Legion librarians and chaplins could deactivate. There all dead, and the Alpha Legion was basically at eachothers throats.

    • @codysing1223
      @codysing1223 8 місяців тому +3

      What happened to the Alpha Legion?
      The alpha legion 😂

  • @radish_dash4155
    @radish_dash4155 11 місяців тому +141

    I love how the new Alpha Legion book, Harrowmaster, basically confirms that with how secretive and confusing the 20th are, that in the modern setting they are exactly as confused about the Alpha Legion as the fans are

    • @will117am
      @will117am 6 місяців тому +4

      We are all confused 😕 Alpha level confused, lol

    • @dovahfett5919
      @dovahfett5919 3 місяці тому +6

      I love how all the chaos lords lost their crap when one of them introduced himself as Alpharius

    • @aldrinmilespartosa1578
      @aldrinmilespartosa1578 3 місяці тому

      "Random bullshit go+"

    • @tbomb69
      @tbomb69 14 днів тому +2

      Its like that meme
      Loyalist: “the alpha legion are obviously loyalist!”
      Traitor: “the alpha legion are traitors! They fought against the loyalists in the heresy!”
      Alpha legion: “wtf are we?”

    • @joeblack2809
      @joeblack2809 День тому

      @@tbomb69and alwaaaays remember to avoid Johnny the tackling Alzheimer’s alpha legionnaire.
      This is a scrubs reference btw for any1.

  • @Captain_Bart_Peterson
    @Captain_Bart_Peterson 11 місяців тому +640

    I found this on one video of Alpha Legion: Both Alpharius and Omegon only pretended to believe the cabal. They actually planned to sabotage the Traitors from within.
    The thing is, they both made this decision separately, and neither of them knew the other was pretending. The Alpha Legions' secretive and scheming nature had begun to work against it. Even if they had been honest with each other, they wouldn't have believed each other.
    But they both found ways to discretely help the Loyalists. Alpharius launched an early attack against Terra before the rest of the Traitor Legions arrived, which helped Dorn identify and fix all the planet's weak points. Omegon was sent to recruit Jaghatai Khan to the traitors, but instead provoked a fight with the White Scars so that Jaghatai would go off on his own to find his own answers. And when Alpharius and Dorn fought, Alpharius outright offered to throw the match and help Dorn achieve victory, but Dorn just ignored him and killed him.

    • @kinosaga21
      @kinosaga21 11 місяців тому +80

      I have half of that theory, I think either alpharius or Oregon did turn, but the other didn't; keeping it from eachitber, they played 3d chess, sabotaging each other for one end of another.

    • @konigstiger8518
      @konigstiger8518 11 місяців тому +16

      I hope this is true. It'd be funny

    • @philthephilosopher9235
      @philthephilosopher9235 11 місяців тому +73

      ​@@kinosaga21Ah yes my favorite primarch, Oregon.

    • @Meme-Republic
      @Meme-Republic 11 місяців тому +11

      Based Dorn 🗿

    • @ArantyrDarkhand
      @ArantyrDarkhand 11 місяців тому +6

      @@philthephilosopher9235Youre out of the loop, its the third brother.

  • @mortongaming1090
    @mortongaming1090 11 місяців тому +116

    I hope Leutin09 does a dedicated video on the Alpha Legion. With all his theorizing and scientific explaining it will be 10 hours long.

    • @AlphariusDominatus
      @AlphariusDominatus 11 місяців тому

      Boy oh boy.. he'll get lost in the weeds 5 minutes in and make a tangent about the CIA and Mujahedeen.

    • @ginnotheseer7624
      @ginnotheseer7624 11 місяців тому +23

      Then he'll end the video by saying "this is a lie"

    • @aleksra7766
      @aleksra7766 11 місяців тому +3

      Remembrancer has a great video about them

    • @KaiHung-wv3ul
      @KaiHung-wv3ul 11 місяців тому +4

      @@ginnotheseer7624 And begin by saying "I am not Alpharius"

  • @AlphariusDominatus
    @AlphariusDominatus 11 місяців тому +181

    Alpharius was the first primarch either found or was never lost. He was the only Primarch that was pure and raised by The Emperor and Malcador.

    • @Nempo13
      @Nempo13 11 місяців тому +34

      Don't forget, Alpharius and Omegon also swapped names. So Unless GW forgot about that, then it was Omegon that Dorn killed and Alpharius is still out there.

    • @AlphariusDominatus
      @AlphariusDominatus 11 місяців тому +31

      @@Nempo13 yeah I know that. It seems nobody else grasps it. Alpharius was actually pivotal in giving Horus bad information about The Sol System's defensive strategy especially around Saturn which led to a massive delay on assaulting Terra. Bought enough time for The Ultramarines to spook Horus into going for the gambit letting the shields down. Saved The Imperium ultimately

    • @jiekimbuous
      @jiekimbuous 11 місяців тому

      What if it was all planned by Malcador and the Big E all along. The whole heresy,everything,what if they and Alpharius plotted this whole thing out in secret with Alpharius being the only one of the primarchs to know of the whole ordeal. Considering he was raised by the two it’s not entirely implausible. It explains why the alpha legion did random things to help the loyalists,they were a tool to ensure everything went to plan.

    • @Bobrob1597
      @Bobrob1597 10 місяців тому

      @@Nempo13I think it’s a bit more 4D chess than that. The Alpha Legion have been known to swap minds with other astarties to better sell lies. For instance what if one of them ran into Mangus and he did a little bit of mind probing. While Alpharius and Omegon can block their minds from being read, what if Mangus or Big Daddy E were able to get around it? A mind swap would be the secret within the secret further protecting their identity. So I truly believe that while Alpharius fell vs Dawn, it was only the body of Alpharius but the mind of Omegon. That’s why when Alpharius died, Omegon had a massive physic backlash from it. Not because his other half died, but because his original body died. Lastly they had the knowledge of the mind swap psychically removed from their memories. Within their minds is a code word that would unlock their memories, this code hasn’t been uttered in 10,000 years.

  • @Lazrael32
    @Lazrael32 11 місяців тому +147

    When Omegon makes his return (probably the last one to do so) i hope he reforms the loyalist Alpha members into the Omega Legion.

    • @coot33
      @coot33 11 місяців тому +7

      Gulliman is Alpharius and Alpharius is Guilliman.

    • @MetPhD
      @MetPhD 6 місяців тому

      Except, he is Alpharius…

  • @JaghataiK
    @JaghataiK 11 місяців тому +112

    It was Omegon who was living as Alpharius after being “discovered” and was pro Cabal and died at Rogal’s hands, leaving the real Alpharius who is secretly a loyalist to play 4D chess with his legion.
    My sons are weird sometimes.

    • @ShawnCorn
      @ShawnCorn 11 місяців тому +8

      This makes the most sence but so many people dont see it like that

    • @Kriegsmen-7803
      @Kriegsmen-7803 11 місяців тому

      I am still loyal to you father

    • @cfdragon4420
      @cfdragon4420 5 днів тому

      I'm not sure if people missed that in the novel. Or just forget that it was Omegon that comes out as the public face of the Legion. But I guess that means the plan is working. Hydra Dominatus

  • @camarofan2008
    @camarofan2008 11 місяців тому +207

    What if Alpharius/Omegon was/is an ascended primarch like Corvus Corax? When every Alpha Legion member claims to be Alpharius, what if that was true? He having some sorta of ability to hop from one body to another, so really is every member and not at the same time.

    • @sneakyarcher12
      @sneakyarcher12 11 місяців тому +36

      Thats an interesting idea, its quite similar to a certain Mr The Infinite and i like the idea that the two primarchs are facing each other indirectly through influencing various warbands, but I see the Alpha Legion as being to divided for that to be the case.

    • @zaer-ezart
      @zaer-ezart 11 місяців тому +20

      There's a new book that kinda disprove this theory. In the book it's stated that all of the alpha legion space marines that were present during the horus heresy have died therefore the new generation has no fucking idea what their goal is and the entire chapter is separated into smaller groups each going their own way doing their own thing and only a small fraction of them still does the whole "I'm alpharius" thing. The rest of them doesn't

    • @The_Keeper
      @The_Keeper 11 місяців тому +15

      @@zaer-ezart
      Remember ALL lore in the 40k universe is told by an unreliable narrator...
      It could all very well just be GW messing with us, and trying to be sneaky about something.

    • @yoursafeplace8476
      @yoursafeplace8476 11 місяців тому +1

      @@The_Keeper Nah bud, if the lion is old as fuck from still being subjected to time, even tho he was literally hidden in the rock and asleep all that time so he rlly shouldn't look as bad as he does, no one else is gonna look any better. Definitely not regular ol marines from the heresy era, without warp spaghetti happening.

    • @kaeamillin8379
      @kaeamillin8379 11 місяців тому +1

      @@zaer-ezart Whats the book?

  • @rednemo9634
    @rednemo9634 11 місяців тому +89

    Ah yeah, the Schrödinger's Loyalty Legion.

  • @MrFallenone
    @MrFallenone 11 місяців тому +78

    The Harrowmaster book was great at exploring the diverse factions inside the Hydra and why serving the Alpha Legion is the best pick for regular humans among all the legions.

    • @zigmus00A
      @zigmus00A 11 місяців тому +6

      There are so many revelations to in that book I'm surprised more people aren't talking about it. Though that could simply be because of how recent it is

    • @joshley1320
      @joshley1320 10 місяців тому

      It wasn’t the that great the main character was insufferable at time

  • @ROU-Vackie
    @ROU-Vackie 11 місяців тому +2

    I love that tabletop wise you can feasibly run alpha legion as loyalist or traitor, lore wise they can access equipment from both tactics from both and their objectives could align with either

  • @ImperialHarbinger
    @ImperialHarbinger 11 місяців тому +36

    After reading Praetorian of Dorn and the Alpharius novel, I feel like there are hints that the Alpharius found on Terra, and the Omegon found during the Rangdan Xenocides, swapped names after meeting each other. Some of the evidence to reach this conclusion involves the fact that in the Alpharius novel, Omegon was found with and used the Pale Spear, despite Alpharius himself usually being depicted as wielding this spear. Also, in the Horus Heresy book The Primarchs, in the novella The Serpent Beneath, "Omegon" inexplicably regards his own oddly private, completely unmarked suit of armor, which to me seems like a telling memento or reminder of the Ghost Legion (the Alpha Legion before they found Omegon).
    The more deceptive or Imperium-friendly acts usually attributed to Omegon seem to be more in line with how Alpharius claims he was taught on Terra in the Alpharius novel (taught how to fool others' senses of their perception of him, supposedly founded the blood games, etc.). In contrast, Alpharius outside of this novel seems more callous of human life, as well as more direct and confrontational, blowing up an actual settlement in the previously mentioned The Serpent Beneath novella, and actually coming to blows with Dorn and seemingly losing his cool; this behavior seems more in line with the Omegon from the Alpharius novel, who would not have received Malcador's training and is most likely the primarch who assaulted Horus' flagship.
    As confusing as this probably is, I think there's quite a bit of evidence to suggest they simply swapped their names after finding each other. This would mean that the "true" Alpharius, the one found on Terra, is the one still alive, under the guise of being Omegon.
    When it comes to the Alpha Legion, at least there's always more fuel to put on the speculation fire.

    • @holywaterbottle3175
      @holywaterbottle3175 6 місяців тому +3

      He is pretending to pretend to be himself.
      What a baller

  • @Oniwolfx5
    @Oniwolfx5 11 місяців тому +4

    I swear major is like a 6 cylinder revolver. Popping off excellent video after video and it's not even Christmas yet

  • @planetbob6703
    @planetbob6703 11 місяців тому +4

    I prefer the theory that Alpharius is the loyalist twin. Better sounding name with more recognition, supposedly raised on Terra, had all that backstory with Big E, Malcador and Valdor, etc.

  • @MrDorkbot
    @MrDorkbot 11 місяців тому +5

    There should be a tally of every time the dark angels did something heretical VS every time the alpha legion did something loyal.

    • @Zeppathy
      @Zeppathy 11 місяців тому +2

      Plot twist. Neither are loyal or traitor. Both went the independent rebel route.

  • @sasanahadian2859
    @sasanahadian2859 11 місяців тому +41

    Superb video as always @majorkill.
    Could you make a video dedicated to the Navigators, the major houses, their politics, relation to the overall Imperium and factions, etc?

  • @rebel1717
    @rebel1717 11 місяців тому +21

    There was also a moment where a squad of guardsmen were fighting off a swarm of tyranids, but Alpha Legionnaires saved them at the last minute.

  • @daninaval9569
    @daninaval9569 11 місяців тому +15

    I believe that the one who killed Dorn was Omegon and Alpharius is following Malcador's orders before dying, acting loyally from the shadows while pretending to be traitors in order to carry out acts in favor of the emperor that the empire itself would classify as treason or heresy. Most alpha legionaries don't know why they fight, but the warband that keeps doing the "I am Alpharius" thing are actually led by Alpharius himself and when necessary the alpha legion will sacrifice its traitor warbands and They will unite under the command of Alpharius in favor of the emperor in the last and great battle against chaos

  • @Masso-gy9yu
    @Masso-gy9yu 11 місяців тому +66

    I've got one.
    What if the Primarchs where found in the order of their creation. So the Lion was first and Horus was nearly last. I think that could change quite a bit, don't you think?

    • @browniechann88blackie55
      @browniechann88blackie55 11 місяців тому +6

      I had a similar theory if they were all raised on terra without influence from the adopted planets the landed on

    • @browniechann88blackie55
      @browniechann88blackie55 11 місяців тому +7

      They would of conquered the galaxy then settled on planets of their choosing maybe the warp gifts they received wouldn't of manifested meaning sanguinious wouldn't have his wings no wulfen or a red magnus

    • @jeyeldc4423
      @jeyeldc4423 11 місяців тому

      I read this somewhere wherein whoever is appointed warmaster will inevitably fall into chaos.

    • @browniechann88blackie55
      @browniechann88blackie55 11 місяців тому +1

      @jeyeldc4423 yeah more or less with the original lore being the warp scooped them up, with the recent retcons being the primarch 's mother having trying to save them when she discovered the emperors plan with them saving them or so she thought had she not been killed by erebus the possible idea of her returning to the imperium to help guide them, if the primarchs ever discovered they had a mother and not just a father their could be some hurt feelings malcador and the emperor had planned for a heresy or civil war the question of who would turn they had assumptions but no proof After magnus warned his father he believed it was magnus. After investigating and the truth being confirmed, he was still in disbelief as were the 1st 6 found brothers they would then discuss who would join horus, malcador questioned leman too, which the emperor replied, russ never so he designed certain primarchs he needed most to never falter. Horus was incredibly jealous of each of his newfound brothers, even valdor, who he saw as an illegitimate son not worthy of his fathers attention. Old lore saw the very faults of horus building over time

  • @zer0teku
    @zer0teku 11 місяців тому +9

    I think the Alpha Legion sees themselves as the necessary evil to the imperium to keep them engaged with and aware of the chaos. They seem to act as a "teach em the hard way or they won't learn it" type of training force

  • @trimeerious4349
    @trimeerious4349 11 місяців тому +38

    Getting a video about how each of the pre heresy primarchs would have reacted to being in Guillimans situation as imperial regent would be pretty cool ngl

    • @CodexQuinn
      @CodexQuinn 11 місяців тому +3

      Konrad: "TIME TO START THE SKINNING!"

    • @carnivaleyes1650
      @carnivaleyes1650 11 місяців тому

      Can y’all let this one go lol

  • @richardthomas9497
    @richardthomas9497 11 місяців тому +21

    I recommend a video about the Remembrancers during the latter part of the Great Crusade. About their duties and role as the ordinary human POV characters in the Horus Heresy novels. Including a focus on Ignace Karkasy, Mersadie Oliton and Euphrati Keeler with the XVI Legion.

  • @billalumni7760
    @billalumni7760 11 місяців тому +2

    Space Marines motto, "Do what's right".
    Alpha Legion motto, "Do what's right for you".

  • @bludhuuntr4946
    @bludhuuntr4946 11 місяців тому +18

    A great war rages in the shadows and dark alleys and forgotten sectors of the galaxy. A war of spys.

    • @Nempo13
      @Nempo13 11 місяців тому +2

      The very concept of a Space Marine 'spy' amuses me so much. These guys are HUGE, they don't exactly fit in.

  • @mnk9073
    @mnk9073 9 місяців тому

    You know how the Custodes need field experience? Know how nobody can ever know that they ever leave the Emperor's side? Voila, Alpha Legion. Alpharius is standing guard right next to the Golden Throne, perhaps juckling to himself from time to time.

  • @lionheartfilms793
    @lionheartfilms793 11 місяців тому +5

    I still think Omegon was the traitor, and it was Omegon who died on Pluto's moon. I think he just hijacked the Alpharius Identity because nobody knew about Omegon and he needed legion loyalty. Why would the first found primarch personally raised by Malcador ever betray the Imperium. Going along and being a double agent is the very type of thing Malcador would've taught him, not to mention that was the whole purpose of the Alpha legion to begin with. But, Malcador didn't raise Omegon. Also the weird alien artifact spear was Omegons weapon he found on whatever crazy ass alien world he landed on. The Alpharius that died was wielding that spear. Alpharius being the first found also would've known all his brothers the best albeit from a distance and would've known Dorn wouldn't entertain a supposed traitor. Omegon however likely didn't have that knowledge. I don't even think Omegon was necessarily a traitor, he just didn't play the same game as Alpharius and Malcador. I personally am all for Alpharius showing up out of nowhere saving the Imperium G-man losing his mind only to be psychically backhanded by the Emperor and told that's his most loyal son and the only one that did what he was told.😅

  • @adamwilson2344
    @adamwilson2344 2 місяці тому

    Would love to see a series of books diving into the Alpha legion.
    Maybe starting with a prologue showing a series of sabotage missions which crippled Horus during the Hersey.

  • @ironlegion8214
    @ironlegion8214 11 місяців тому +5

    These videos are making alpha legion my favorite legion as time goes on

  • @thearkitect4254
    @thearkitect4254 11 місяців тому +4

    ORKTOBER. WE NEED MORE ORKS
    ORKTOBER. WE NEED MORE ORKS
    ORKTOBER. WE NEED MORE ORKS
    Please make an ork video
    I will not stop until you do unless you ask me to stop since it’s probably annoying getting the same comment over and over again

  • @ragnarokivae6136
    @ragnarokivae6136 11 місяців тому +1

    Great video!
    To the alpha legion on vraks, I personally think they don't intervention to help the imperium, but more for their own to heat it up. When the imperium sends Astartes and titans, the whole battle gets more and more hectic and a lot of chaos warbands and traitor titans showing up on vraks as result. And it wasn't far away from being clear that the imperium will win this battle. I personally think the alpha legion did this, to weaken booth sides and cover some 9f their secret missions

  • @williammiller4768
    @williammiller4768 11 місяців тому +7

    I’d really like to believe that the Alpha Legion low key aids the Lamenters out of sheer empathy. Not like total victory aid, more like “Almost all of them didn’t die” kinda aid. Even clearing their paths just enough for them to succeed in their missions.

  • @GoufinAround_
    @GoufinAround_ 11 місяців тому +6

    I genuinely think that the Alpha legion are a mix of everything. There are full blown chaos Alpha legion, mixed bag who are only "loyal" because they're anti-chaos but don't necessarily go and help the imperium unless it benefits their own fight against chaos, and then straight up "LOL at Raven Guard being the sneaky guys" loyal from the shadows Alpha legion

  • @lurkingedge
    @lurkingedge 11 місяців тому

    The Third Path. Alpharius 2nd and Omegon 1st chose a third option to the Cabal's two choices, Alpharius 2nd aiding Horus, and Omegon 1st aiding the Imperium.
    Alpharius 2nd tried to convince Dorn of his cause, something Omegon 1st, formerly Alpharius, would have known better than to try with Dorn.
    Ingo Peck wasn't just operating under loyal orders, he was tasked with waking up a unit of stasised Alpha Legionairs under the Imperial Palace and giving them the loyalty code word, then leading them against the traitors.
    Shout out to Live From The Black Library for putting all this together.

  • @TAIWAN_40000
    @TAIWAN_40000 11 місяців тому +23

    Wonder what the loyalist primarchs would do once they found out about Omegon. Would they pummel and execute him or would they give the little brother a hug?

    • @sirhoon87
      @sirhoon87 11 місяців тому +11

      If it was Vulkan doing the hug that's another primarch with a broken back

  • @kira68200
    @kira68200 11 місяців тому

    on the less "meme" part, aren't they some warband that are actualy loyalists but infiltrated in the traitors, basically the one working for/knowing about Omegon while other are just pure traitors ?

  • @juliancalero8012
    @juliancalero8012 11 місяців тому

    0:45 except financially. There's my obligatory plastic crack joke

  • @patchesgaming9139
    @patchesgaming9139 11 місяців тому +5

    In the Alpharius book Alpharius took up the role of Omegon, also why would Omegon be the loyal one? He has spent less time with the Emperor and Malcador and would not have a reason to be loyal to them so there's a far larger chance that Omegon was the traitor and Alpharius was the loyalist.

  • @withlovefromlightindust591
    @withlovefromlightindust591 11 місяців тому +9

    Hello Majorkill,
    Would you please make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy, and the High Lords of Terra? Pretty please? Thank you.

    • @GrizzlyHillsRadio
      @GrizzlyHillsRadio 11 місяців тому +1

      "Please and thank you"
      I think he has to now.

  • @jaegerbomb269
    @jaegerbomb269 11 місяців тому +27

    I can never forgive the Alpha Legion for screwing over the Raven Guard. May they have vengeance!

    • @omegon2540
      @omegon2540 11 місяців тому +1

      Sorry

    • @Anni3sgotagun
      @Anni3sgotagun 11 місяців тому +5

      Cry More

    • @command_unit7792
      @command_unit7792 11 місяців тому +1

      Their Primarch would have been dead if they didnt save him...

    • @JKore905
      @JKore905 11 місяців тому +2

      Alpha Legion saved the Raven Guard.

    • @jaegerbomb269
      @jaegerbomb269 11 місяців тому +1

      @@Anni3sgotagun go purify yourself in the waters of elucidation

  • @DarkApostleNoek
    @DarkApostleNoek 11 місяців тому +7

    I've just started reading Harrowmaster and it has been fun so far. The Alpha Legion I have seen so far have been Chaos aligned at least. My take is they are like the Dark Angel Fallen some are Imperial, some are Independent, some are Chaos. Though Alpha Legion Independent and Chaos are actually more on the same side it is just how their Warbands will operate.

  • @raphaelrodriguez8316
    @raphaelrodriguez8316 11 місяців тому +6

    Wait, I thought the twist was that Alpharius was Omegon and a Traitor, and Omegon was really Alpharius who switched places with him and was a Loyalist.

  • @El_Presidente_5337
    @El_Presidente_5337 11 місяців тому +3

    Video starts at 1:59

  • @imper818
    @imper818 10 місяців тому

    You need to read Renegades: Harrowmaster. For firstly its a great book but it also realy elps understanding the mindest inside the alpha legion warbands

  • @bluhd2265
    @bluhd2265 11 місяців тому +5

    Another fun fact as to why they are broken and do not trust each other is that they have no living horus heresy veteran. The alpha legion did not travel to the eye of terror, they stayed in real space. They are very similar to the loyal chapters in that they have lost most of their legion knowledge and the only unifying goal they have is the destruction of the Imperium. They don't really know why their ancestors joined the traitor legions but they are still following their commands

  • @codycurtin2295
    @codycurtin2295 11 місяців тому

    GIVE US A SHROUD OF NIGHT AUDIO BOOK ALREADY GW! But also I would love to see in the next Harrowmaster novel we see a loyalist Alpha Legion warband faceoff against the Serpent's Teeth, it would be sick.

  • @juliancalero8012
    @juliancalero8012 11 місяців тому +1

    9:40 and not ironically like the Emperors Children

  • @beanperry
    @beanperry 11 місяців тому +17

    Lets not forget about the Alpha Legionnaire that has been spotted working with Eisenhorn.

    • @Mephiston
      @Mephiston 11 місяців тому +2

      eisenhorn also has a daemonhost, though.

    • @beanperry
      @beanperry 11 місяців тому +1

      @@Mephiston he isn't a daemonhost, he controls one though. I like Cherabul.

    • @cheeseburger12
      @cheeseburger12 11 місяців тому +3

      ​@@MephistonEisenhorn is a radical, but at heart loyal. I don't think that will change. Abnett even said he was going in that direction, but it was too predictable and decided corrupted but loyal was more interesting.

    • @Mephiston
      @Mephiston 11 місяців тому +1

      @@beanperry I know, thats what I said. he HAS one.

    • @Mephiston
      @Mephiston 11 місяців тому +1

      @@cheeseburger12 I kinda miss gav thorpe's vision of the whole setting. He did design the game after all. Not trying to take away from abnett, though. he's a great author.

  • @knightdragonslayer5833
    @knightdragonslayer5833 11 місяців тому

    Man if I wasn't broke I'd buy all four of your shirts.

  • @guesswhoandrew1782
    @guesswhoandrew1782 11 місяців тому

    This is actually a great video idea. Nice

  • @tyeberiusmcintyre1879
    @tyeberiusmcintyre1879 11 місяців тому

    im glad we finally have a definitive answer about their loyalty

  • @majorasmask5523
    @majorasmask5523 11 місяців тому +12

    Majorkill, are you familiar with Mass Effect? Because I’m wondering who would in an all out war between the Tyranids and the Reapers.

    • @Damien_N
      @Damien_N 11 місяців тому +1

      Reapers may do well in small engagements given that they can quickly convert fallen enemies to their cause. But on a galactic scale I think the tyranids may win out - they have faster ways to reinforce than the reapers. Much easier to cleanse worlds behinds the front lines and take that biomass onboard as direct reinforcement resource.

    • @maddraugr4667
      @maddraugr4667 11 місяців тому +1

      The reapers obvs. They are machine-beings ancient and super smart that have wipe out the galaxy clean several times already.

    • @apossiblyhereticalalphaleg3595
      @apossiblyhereticalalphaleg3595 11 місяців тому

      @@maddraugr4667 I think it greatly depends on how much biomass the Tyranids can get from Reaper Husks. However, given that Husks are mostly machinery from what I remember, it'd be a pretty shit deal for the 'Nids and, as you presume, the Reapers would prolly win.

    • @maddraugr4667
      @maddraugr4667 11 місяців тому +1

      @@apossiblyhereticalalphaleg3595 Another thing will be the indoctrination of species ability, i do not think that the tyranids are susceptible to it, but the most of the rest of the Wh40k should be, making everyone(or most) unite againts the nids and fight to the last will be a huge and catastrophic war, entire worlds will burn the reapers will appear benevolent to much all while life on the galaxy gets reaped. As planned. That i think gives for sure the victory to the reapers.✌️

    • @apossiblyhereticalalphaleg3595
      @apossiblyhereticalalphaleg3595 11 місяців тому

      @@maddraugr4667 I presumed this scenario would be a 1-on-1 between Reapers vs Tyranids, with the Reapers having husks from previous Harvests and making more from fallen Nid bioforms. If we take into an account that they're rushing to see who gets the bigger part of a galactic buffet I actually think it's more debatable, as then we have forces like Chaos and the Necrons who are involved and are very capable of killing both of the original competitors, assuming they can bring their forces to bear properly.

  • @omgcranberryisnumba1
    @omgcranberryisnumba1 11 місяців тому

    Another wonderful installment

  • @Koppu1doragon
    @Koppu1doragon 11 місяців тому

    I still like the idea of loyalist Alpha Legionaries gave Cawl or Guilliman the gene code and that was used as a base for the primaris marines.

  • @nimbusshadow-wings
    @nimbusshadow-wings 11 місяців тому

    The one sin control, Omegon to be specific, is probally trying to help the imperium form the shadows, like section 31, without having to deal with thh Administratum and the fucked up rules that the imperium has now. More flexibility

  • @ChrisLove887
    @ChrisLove887 11 місяців тому +5

    Alpha legion out there doing just enough to convince whoever the winning side is that they were with them the whole time😂

  • @crimsonconquestcustoms2584
    @crimsonconquestcustoms2584 11 місяців тому +6

    Would like to see another day in the life of Majorkill video. Been two years since

  • @borisvodka3068
    @borisvodka3068 11 місяців тому +4

    Agreed, Omegon is blatantly alive, and the legions split between fallen warbands that followed alpharius and ultimately ended up sucking on the chaos tit and those who stood with omegon and are still loyal

  • @scribbles1424
    @scribbles1424 11 місяців тому +2

    This is why the Alpha legion is so interesting, you have zero idea what is going on begind the scenes or why they are really doing things. Everyone is confused so they're living up to their design.

  • @Just_Lars
    @Just_Lars 11 місяців тому +2

    I always feel like when people talk about the Alpha Legion, Head of the Hydra is completely ignored. I mean yes, all records lie, but who tells us the same doesn't go for any other books. The main theme I took away from Head of the Hydra however was: Alpharious was always aware that, all things considered, he as a person is not important. That Omegon isn't important. The only thing that matters is which options they set up and ultimately chose to execute.
    Especially Alpharious lived his whole live in the shadows, as a non-existent person. The mathematical unknown nobody could calculate with. Always bordering with his actions near heresy, since the duty that was imposed on him by Malcador was, to protect humanity. Whatever the cost! Ironically, this made him in my opinion the most unlikely to fell to chaos. He had just one obligation, and if this meant to seemingly betray humanity, to be able to protect it more effectly, so be it. Nobody had liked him anyway, really. It was the perfect cover. Because, of course even Alpharius nor Omegon could predict who would come out on top ulitmately. The only thing they knew for certain was, that they had to prevent both prophecies of the cabaal from happening, because both would mean the end for humanity. The problem regarding the death of one of them was, I think, that they realized that fighting a primarch wasn't something they could impose on anyone else. And so, one has to die so the other one can continue the work. Setting cogs in motion, placing small seeds so they may be reaped when time is due. And when the Arch enemy tries it's final blow, they will probably be there.
    Aside from all the Lore-Discussion, we also should not forget that the Alpha Legion is basically a perfect plot device for GW. All the trash talk aside, with them dispersing their forces basically on any possible outcome, they made sure whatever happens, they'll come out on top. And with some people claming that GW has written the universe into a corner, I can see them picking the Alpha Legion as a literal deus ex machina to resolve that. Hell, they could just one day appear with a million trained and fitted space marines they created themselves with the untainted gene seed, crushing the tyranid invasion short of terra or something as far as potential storytelling is concerned. Wether this is disiarable or not is a whole different story.

  • @mrrodriguezHLP
    @mrrodriguezHLP 11 місяців тому +3

    They say the Thousand Sons are dedicated to Tzeentch, but the real twist is that Tzeentch is dedicated to the Alpha Legion.

  • @martyndavidson6598
    @martyndavidson6598 11 місяців тому

    YEY ,time for my chapter. ALPHA DOMINATUS BROTHERS

  • @emmanuelijomah8163
    @emmanuelijomah8163 11 місяців тому +6

    Yeah they're definitely Loyalist
    Quote :
    We work in the dark to serve the light.
    I don't think Rogal covered alpharius his death to shame him, alpharius and Rogal might have had a conversation upon his death and told him exactly what was going on and how to save the imperium inorder to sell the story to Horus

  • @inductivegrunt94
    @inductivegrunt94 11 місяців тому +2

    Not all Alpha Legion are traitors, and this is proof of it. Omegon's boys are the best Alpha Legion boys.
    I like to believe that these Alpha Legion guys, or at least some of them, are a part of a secret order under the leadership of Omegon. The Omega Legion if you will. And they are secretly working to help the Imperium from the shadows.

  • @sim.frischh9781
    @sim.frischh9781 11 місяців тому

    "Something to suck one"... with that FÜM add line, i wouldn´t be surprised if you bring out a Majorkill flavored XD
    Personally i like the Alpha Legion for simply being such an enigma, not certain where they actually stand, you can pretty much justify them doing anything.
    Whether it´s pro-Chaos or pro-Empire, all you need is a "interests just happen to align" kind of reason and you can be sure it´s true to lore.
    Even if it seems to outright help the Empire, it could simply be a case of enabling the Empire to f*ck themself up in the later stage. Or to succeed against an enemy of the Alpha Legion.

  • @matheusgarcia2825
    @matheusgarcia2825 11 місяців тому +1

    Plot twist : The true Alpha Legion primarch is Jagathai, because even Big E had no idea which side he will take, and was surprised that he chose the Loyalists
    Jaghatai best primarch... change my mind

  • @terminator9489
    @terminator9489 11 місяців тому +4

    Can we get a video about each primarch reaction to the emperor being put on the Golden Throne after the Heresy ?

  • @Zeppathy
    @Zeppathy 11 місяців тому +2

    Still think A/Os unique primarch ability is to inhabit multiple bodies. Explaining his one soul being split between two bodies, and the legion claiming to all be Alpharious.

  • @NornQueenKya
    @NornQueenKya 11 місяців тому +1

    I mean, dorn stabbed the heresy right outta their leader so...

    • @NornQueenKya
      @NornQueenKya 11 місяців тому

      @-majorkillYT funny. I have something for your mom

  • @RawDogAnAeldari
    @RawDogAnAeldari 11 місяців тому +3

    I think the Alpha Legion is like the Fallen in terms of loyalty. Because the Fallen didnt have a lot of answers when they were cast into the warp and had to decide for themselves what to do, and the Alpha Legions secretive nature meant they were in the same boat.

  • @loltwest9423
    @loltwest9423 11 місяців тому +1

    The one thing I hate about the Alpha Legion's lore is their explanation for why Alpharius turned traitor and him deciding to duel Rogal Dorn alone. That shit was stupid. I can only hope they give us a really good as fucking explanation for what that was all about.
    Thankfully, everything else is super-based AF.

  • @caliban2805
    @caliban2805 11 місяців тому

    Wait has anyone outside of the alpha Legion talked about omegon like what if alpharius just has split personalities

  • @TheInfamousRPGGroup-on-Rumble
    @TheInfamousRPGGroup-on-Rumble 11 місяців тому +2

    i think the code thing is the best way to describe it. some are loyal, some arent, for various reasons

  • @bobbybee2975
    @bobbybee2975 11 місяців тому

    I'm no expert so correct me if I'm wrong but the whole Eldar claim that humanity dying out would end the chaos powers and save the universe seems like utter BS and a plot for the Eldar to have humans do to themselves what they cannot do on their own.

  • @themitchnater7800
    @themitchnater7800 11 місяців тому +4

    Majorkill you should do a video on the life of a chaos cultists

  • @michaelhowell2326
    @michaelhowell2326 11 місяців тому +4

    Wasn't that Alpha Legion base a Necron construct?

  • @stripeybag6977
    @stripeybag6977 11 місяців тому +1

    I thought the Alpha Legion's war cry was confused screaming. You think we'll hear about that mini Astronomicon person they took every again?
    Day 319 of requesting a Commissar Yarrick Major Mini pls and thank you.

  • @darko-man8549
    @darko-man8549 11 місяців тому +1

    Personally I don’t think Alpharous should have been confirmed killed by Dorn but that’s just me.
    Also Omegon was Alpharius because they swapped places after meeting. Alpharius was the one raised on Terra? But now that is Omegon?

  • @Frescko
    @Frescko 11 місяців тому +1

    Video 50 of asking ‘What if Nykona Sharrowkyn killed Fulgrim’

  • @imv2077
    @imv2077 6 місяців тому

    the Alpha legion is definitely my favorite army

  • @hmpang4996
    @hmpang4996 11 місяців тому +2

    @Majorkill I was wondering for the past few days whether Orks being corrupted by chaos is still canon or not?

  • @OG_Bobby_Henderson
    @OG_Bobby_Henderson 11 місяців тому

    I want majorkill to blow fume clouds in me

  • @TheScoops82
    @TheScoops82 11 місяців тому

    "Exactly as Planned"

  • @Onyx8432
    @Onyx8432 10 місяців тому +1

    "Every Time The Alpha Legion Did Something Loyalist"
    Spoiler alert, their list is longer than for the Dark Angels by far

  • @jonathanmanard7797
    @jonathanmanard7797 7 місяців тому

    What if all the stuff that just never got mentioned was the alpha legion hitting a fat dub and dipping out like itd be hectic if they killed the sensei or if they were the ones who deleted the rat people of 40k

  • @1074kilo
    @1074kilo 11 місяців тому +1

    I'm starting to see that the Alpha Legion is an entire legion of The Fallen.

  • @joshp4582
    @joshp4582 8 місяців тому +1

    It seems obvious to me what the Alpha Legion did with the Special Astartes Gene Juice, they gave it to belisarius cawl

  • @thecornconquerer4947
    @thecornconquerer4947 11 місяців тому +2

    Can we get a vid on what exactly gene flaws are? Like the red thirst and black rage are the biggest examples I know but does each legion have some flaw they’re prone to?

  • @dudeboydudeboy-zj8kd
    @dudeboydudeboy-zj8kd 11 місяців тому +2

    Lore on the Imperial Navy, high lords, mutants, and Ecclesiarchy please

  • @almightyace3581
    @almightyace3581 11 місяців тому

    There are tines where more info ruins something but with the alpha legion i want more

  • @slackeratlarge575
    @slackeratlarge575 11 місяців тому +1

    Alpharius is omegon. And omegon is alpharius. So when dorn killed alpharius he Actually kill omegon and alpharius became alpharius again. 😅

  • @VacadoRay
    @VacadoRay 11 місяців тому +1

    Or did they🧐🤔

  • @Supersurfer12
    @Supersurfer12 11 місяців тому +1

    If humanity died out, wouldn't Slaanesh still feed on the Eldar? Was the Cabal a tool of Tzeentch?

  • @feralprocessor9853
    @feralprocessor9853 11 місяців тому

    So much 4D Chess shenanigans

  • @bigchungusgaming4882
    @bigchungusgaming4882 11 місяців тому

    best channel right here ^^^^

  • @TobiWanKenob1
    @TobiWanKenob1 11 місяців тому

    Traitors or loyalists. . Hmm. . . I think they're all Alpharius.

  • @sethleoric2598
    @sethleoric2598 11 місяців тому +1

    Gotta love how the Alpha Legion don't even know what they're doing, they're just kinda following their primarchs.