For anyone who takes this as gospel , this is just his philosophy. Which is definitely a good aproach but there are many great player approaching it differently. For example timo boll advices to start with more open bat since you can keep it open for underspij and close it if you need to play more foreward. I am not saying the guy is wrong or says something bad he is a way better player than me. Just dont thinj you are automatically doing something wrong if you have an open bat sometimes
It depends. You want a really spinny loop? then doing TB advices is more advantaging. Want most speedy loop with ok spin? then do as FYC said in the vid. From my own exp, I find looping both under/top spin with a close racket angle is easier to control ball arc & placement, the difference is only center of gravity for under spin loop is lower than topspin loop though.
@@botao4456 if you think the loops is only ok spinny then you don't understand the concept. You can not play a low spin ball with that angle unless you get a high ball. You need the spin to have it come back down on the table. Kinda why we play top spin and not just smash every ball. Boll has also speedy loops but this point is that you start with an open racket and adapt based on the spin (for heavy backspin you keep it more open for example to have more safety). His reasoning it is easier to close the racket than open it. Pechpong in his backhand video goes also over the same topic.
@@XIplupIXI saw pechpong vids I think the idea to start open and then close the angle before contact. The guy in this vid also explains how the angle at contact time is the one that matters so I think TB has open angle before hitting and closes it before contact so obviously w/e you do before contact is kind of personal pref and doesn't change what happens to the ball
@@zivking123 then you are missing the point. I also have talked with an ex 1 Bundes Liga players and etc and they have a different approach. I am not dismissing what they say in the video, the player is way better than me I am not that arrogant i am just pointing out table tennis hasmany right approaches and just cause you have an open angle doesnt mean yours is wrong. The point of he open angle is as I said to be ready for heavy spin. Of course they close it for light backspin or empty or topspin, but having it open will help you with really heavy spin. Of course if you have this guy skill and are able to have enough speed to lift heavy backspin safely Everytime then go for it but many will benefit from adapting. It is the same with every stroke even pros do it nobody always does the same movement you addapt to the ball. Even Chinese players for example they use shorter strokes on forehand when dealing with to spins while using longer strokes for backspin where they got plenty of time.
You learn to loop backhand _or_ forehand well by ignoring all theory or coaching claims, and instead hit backhands against a piece of ~quarter-inch plywood or particle board propped up against the opposite end of the table. Prop it up at a near-vertical angle to start; this will give a mild return with light backspin. Do not try to _loop_ the return bounce. Just gently drive it. After 5 minutes your action will naturally develop without your having to overthink all this open/closed, wrist/forearm, grip nonsense. Then start alternating forehand and backhand. From there, you will start moving back gradually and start making loopier shots. Eventually you will tilt the sheet of plywood more sharply, and the ball will be coming back with much more backspin. 10 minutes/day of this and you'll develop the feel for looping against any amount of backspin. The only hitch will be in actual play, when you have to overcome hesitation in making a full confident opening. Don't choke... *_stroke._* You will be missing shots, of course. The pros miss shots. You will eventually start missing fewer and fewer shots, until you can blast those your bh and fh loops like Wernher Schlager vs Joo Se Hyuk
So do you brush the ball on top? And against heavy back spin, which is low you approach with a slow loop/open bat angle? A hit through the ball wouldn't be a loop, but a shot/counter, I guess..
As far as I understand you have 2 options: 1. Brush from behind more firmly with open bat (worse) 2. Brush lightly (less contact with the ball), closed bat (better)
This does not make sense. If you watch in very slow motion, when he makes contact with the ball the racket is open! When he demonstrates the shot without the ball his racket stays closed all the time. You cannot deny physics, if you hit a ball with underspin with a closed racket the ball will go down.
I also having a hard time to reprocreate. It fells like I'm rather bringing side spin to the ball by brushing the bat tomthe side like shown. I also don't understand how to hit the ball first then brush. The ball is leaving the racket to fast in order to brush afterwards.
@@SkyKaiZ You have to put your raquet below the ball and brush up the back of the ball. This is what the video shows in slow motion but he doesn't realise he is doing it, that is why his explanation is wrong.
@@patrikpetersson8248 Yes but when he demonstrates without the ball his bat is very closed but in slow motion when he actually hits the ball his bat is very open. He doesn't realise what he is doing.
Just practise what he is saying....more spin and speed. You can give more acceleration foreward and adjust direction upwards in what kind of ball you want to play...I trained it with my son...his backhand opening is much better now
thank you! i join the membership now. i still dont understand, if you close the racket angle , how cannot hit the net when you looping underspin shot. you use your fingers and create strong friction, and that friction hit out the underspin from the ball?
You need to carefully watch some slow-motion videos. At the moment of contact with the ball, the racket's angle is tilted slightly forward and upward, but leaning more forward. When looping against a backspin ball, your center of gravity is pressed downward, but during the stroke, the body’s center of gravity rises, providing upward force to the ball. Practice this more, and over time, you’ll find the right feeling
OH, thank you! so, if I understand correctly: I lift the ball with my body, and not the hands! :)And when you meet a defender, and get a heavy backspin ball, you need to open the racket face, isn't it? so I didn't pay enough attention to the body to raise the center of gravity, that's why the ball went into the net? But, if I see you int he video, when you show a correct technique, at 9:17, you are not doing too much "stand up" motion :O
Thanks a lot.. i had unclear tought about bh on backspin.. becouse i see pro players do what you say and show, but in game for me its more easy to do with open angle.. But of cours ill practice harder way
@Unpiloted0922 well Im a chinese penhold, watch Wang Hao teach his BH, turns out true with shakehand as well, you only use the wrist very little just a little follow through to control the direction. The emphasis shoud be more on the legs, hips, and elbow, a little wrist and lastly the pressure on fingers upon contact. If you hit the ball on the follow trough you'd be using the wrist and lose control over the ball. When you watch his tutorial or any other professional, try slowing down the video ans you'll se then hit the ball from raising their elbow, and twisting their wrist as he mentioned then contacting the ball to their wrist original position. Its just the illusion of using more wrist because of the follow through.
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@@geraldcarino5009 really well explained. Im struggling with my wrist a lot in the backhand along with a correct positioning of my elbow and the correct power generation. Can you share the video link of wang haos BH coaching video? Do you think to effectively use the body as you suggested, the motion should start with the pad pointing backward at left hip level? so the ball should also be hit on the side of the body infront of the left hip to meet the racket head? When you say " from rising the elbow", does the elbow joint still point out downward while keeping distance from the body or it should point out the front/right side ?? the result is very different. Thanks a lot
@@zizo015 also remember to put you weight infront, squat to generate force, and do thr motion forward, bend your back, not the boundary bet you butt and back( a common mistake, ZJK made an emphasis on this). You will see that your foreharm will have more space inside your torso to do backswing. The motion also feels connected. Its a continuous learning curve especially if you don't have regular training and just an enthusiast.
In my opinion, it makes sense to close the bat more when you use chinese or just generally tacky rubbers. They work in that way. Regular European rubbers dont grip so well with the bat closed that much. I have dignics 09c, and they work much better with more closed bat.
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For anyone who takes this as gospel , this is just his philosophy. Which is definitely a good aproach but there are many great player approaching it differently. For example timo boll advices to start with more open bat since you can keep it open for underspij and close it if you need to play more foreward. I am not saying the guy is wrong or says something bad he is a way better player than me. Just dont thinj you are automatically doing something wrong if you have an open bat sometimes
It depends. You want a really spinny loop? then doing TB advices is more advantaging. Want most speedy loop with ok spin? then do as FYC said in the vid. From my own exp, I find looping both under/top spin with a close racket angle is easier to control ball arc & placement, the difference is only center of gravity for under spin loop is lower than topspin loop though.
@@botao4456 if you think the loops is only ok spinny then you don't understand the concept. You can not play a low spin ball with that angle unless you get a high ball. You need the spin to have it come back down on the table. Kinda why we play top spin and not just smash every ball. Boll has also speedy loops but this point is that you start with an open racket and adapt based on the spin (for heavy backspin you keep it more open for example to have more safety). His reasoning it is easier to close the racket than open it. Pechpong in his backhand video goes also over the same topic.
@@XIplupIXI saw pechpong vids I think the idea to start open and then close the angle before contact. The guy in this vid also explains how the angle at contact time is the one that matters so I think TB has open angle before hitting and closes it before contact so obviously w/e you do before contact is kind of personal pref and doesn't change what happens to the ball
@@zivking123 then you are missing the point. I also have talked with an ex 1 Bundes Liga players and etc and they have a different approach. I am not dismissing what they say in the video, the player is way better than me I am not that arrogant i am just pointing out table tennis hasmany right approaches and just cause you have an open angle doesnt mean yours is wrong. The point of he open angle is as I said to be ready for heavy spin. Of course they close it for light backspin or empty or topspin, but having it open will help you with really heavy spin. Of course if you have this guy skill and are able to have enough speed to lift heavy backspin safely Everytime then go for it but many will benefit from adapting. It is the same with every stroke even pros do it nobody always does the same movement you addapt to the ball. Even Chinese players for example they use shorter strokes on forehand when dealing with to spins while using longer strokes for backspin where they got plenty of time.
You learn to loop backhand _or_ forehand well by ignoring all theory or coaching claims, and instead hit backhands against a piece of ~quarter-inch plywood or particle board propped up against the opposite end of the table. Prop it up at a near-vertical angle to start; this will give a mild return with light backspin.
Do not try to _loop_ the return bounce. Just gently drive it. After 5 minutes your action will naturally develop without your having to overthink all this open/closed, wrist/forearm, grip nonsense. Then start alternating forehand and backhand. From there, you will start moving back gradually and start making loopier shots. Eventually you will tilt the sheet of plywood more sharply, and the ball will be coming back with much more backspin. 10 minutes/day of this and you'll develop the feel for looping against any amount of backspin.
The only hitch will be in actual play, when you have to overcome hesitation in making a full confident opening. Don't choke... *_stroke._* You will be missing shots, of course. The pros miss shots. You will eventually start missing fewer and fewer shots, until you can blast those your bh and fh loops like Wernher Schlager vs Joo Se Hyuk
So do you brush the ball on top? And against heavy back spin, which is low you approach with a slow loop/open bat angle?
A hit through the ball wouldn't be a loop, but a shot/counter, I guess..
As far as I understand you have 2 options:
1. Brush from behind more firmly with open bat (worse)
2. Brush lightly (less contact with the ball), closed bat (better)
Your videos helped me a lot. Plz make a video on how to do fast and powerful backhand drive (not backhand loop)
This does not make sense. If you watch in very slow motion, when he makes contact with the ball the racket is open! When he demonstrates the shot without the ball his racket stays closed all the time. You cannot deny physics, if you hit a ball with underspin with a closed racket the ball will go down.
I also having a hard time to reprocreate. It fells like I'm rather bringing side spin to the ball by brushing the bat tomthe side like shown. I also don't understand how to hit the ball first then brush. The ball is leaving the racket to fast in order to brush afterwards.
@@SkyKaiZ You have to put your raquet below the ball and brush up the back of the ball. This is what the video shows in slow motion but he doesn't realise he is doing it, that is why his explanation is wrong.
There are of course different degrees of closeness. He is not talking about a 0° approach, because then the ball will definitely go into the net.
@@patrikpetersson8248 Yes but when he demonstrates without the ball his bat is very closed but in slow motion when he actually hits the ball his bat is very open. He doesn't realise what he is doing.
Just practise what he is saying....more spin and speed. You can give more acceleration foreward and adjust direction upwards in what kind of ball you want to play...I trained it with my son...his backhand opening is much better now
thank you! i join the membership now. i still dont understand, if you close the racket angle , how cannot hit the net when you looping underspin shot. you use your fingers and create strong friction, and that friction hit out the underspin from the ball?
You need to carefully watch some slow-motion videos. At the moment of contact with the ball, the racket's angle is tilted slightly forward and upward, but leaning more forward. When looping against a backspin ball, your center of gravity is pressed downward, but during the stroke, the body’s center of gravity rises, providing upward force to the ball. Practice this more, and over time, you’ll find the right feeling
Press the racket down ，that is easier to rotate and generate force
OH, thank you! so, if I understand correctly: I lift the ball with my body, and not the hands! :)And when you meet a defender, and get a heavy backspin ball, you need to open the racket face, isn't it? so I didn't pay enough attention to the body to raise the center of gravity, that's why the ball went into the net? But, if I see you int he video, when you show a correct technique, at 9:17, you are not doing too much "stand up" motion :O
Your videos helped me a lot. Plz make a video on how to do fast and powerful backhand drive (not backhand loop)
@@kakaluserwatch video how loop fzd, his angle opened
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Someone know the game and the equipment of the coach please ?
Thanks a lot.. i had unclear tought about bh on backspin.. becouse i see pro players do what you say and show, but in game for me its more easy to do with open angle..
But of cours ill practice harder way
I get it. Using this for a while now. The ball is indeed active. One thing to remember is not overextend the wrist, or hit the ball on the extension.
Can you elaborate on what you mean by not overextending the wrist?
@Unpiloted0922 well Im a chinese penhold, watch Wang Hao teach his BH, turns out true with shakehand as well, you only use the wrist very little just a little follow through to control the direction. The emphasis shoud be more on the legs, hips, and elbow, a little wrist and lastly the pressure on fingers upon contact.
If you hit the ball on the follow trough you'd be using the wrist and lose control over the ball.
When you watch his tutorial or any other professional, try slowing down the video ans you'll se then hit the ball from raising their elbow, and twisting their wrist as he mentioned then contacting the ball to their wrist original position.
Its just the illusion of using more wrist because of the follow through.
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@@geraldcarino5009 really well explained. Im struggling with my wrist a lot in the backhand along with a correct positioning of my elbow and the correct power generation. Can you share the video link of wang haos BH coaching video? Do you think to effectively use the body as you suggested, the motion should start with the pad pointing backward at left hip level? so the ball should also be hit on the side of the body infront of the left hip to meet the racket head? When you say " from rising the elbow", does the elbow joint still point out downward while keeping distance from the body or it should point out the front/right side ?? the result is very different. Thanks a lot
@@zizo015 also remember to put you weight infront, squat to generate force, and do thr motion forward, bend your back, not the boundary bet you butt and back( a common mistake, ZJK made an emphasis on this). You will see that your foreharm will have more space inside your torso to do backswing. The motion also feels connected. Its a continuous learning curve especially if you don't have regular training and just an enthusiast.
In my opinion, it makes sense to close the bat more when you use chinese or just generally tacky rubbers. They work in that way. Regular European rubbers dont grip so well with the bat closed that much. I have dignics 09c, and they work much better with more closed bat.
chinese normally dont use tacky rubbers on backhand. the majority use japanese/euro rubber on BH
Is it possible to add both english version and the original version like in prior videos again?
If his shots were weak when he had open racket when he first joined in national team. How did he make the national team ?
I didn't understand in the end where he touches the ball. Not very clear lesson
Like which part?
I think its very hard for amateurs
Great video but too much talk
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