I think the fact that Dan had to go to the lengths he did was because of Matthias’ ability to constantly retake records proves Matt is the best 64 runner, plus the absolute dominance in live events.
Found this after re-watching SummoningSalt's video, and what a find it was. Hearing personal interviews from everyone involved, as well as learning about Dan's hoarding just added much more to the story. Great work, super underrated.
Ikr? Summoning Salt's Video was just about the world records but this was more focused on the live events and interactions between the players plus interviews and personal toughts. Great video!
Great video! Well, it is easy to put out that Matthias could have reached 32/32 had he not published the records that put him to 30/32 or 31/32, which would let the community thinking he wasn't so close to having the greatest achievement in mk64 ever. What Dan did was exactly that, but only to dethrone the REAL GOAT.
honestly Matthias' 8 times at 31/32 is way more impressive than Dan's 32/32 because he was actually giving his competition a transparent, fair shot at going after or defending times. I'd struggle to call his accomplishment illegitimate since it still took a lot of work, but it's certainly cowardly. how anyone could take any pride in doing it this way is beyond me
What I find funny about 31/32 is it's a better story, and in some ways more impressive, with the 2nd 3rd 4th 5th etc guys all coming together, MR taking months off every year, and still killing these dudes. He's as impressive regardless. Dudes always on must be an initials thing. MJ MR.
Disgustingly underrated, I hope people don't write this video or especially your channel off as a Summoning Salt/Bismuth knock off, this is incredibly well done and detailed beyond what could be reasonably expected. Getting the players' side of the story is definitely a welcome change of pace from the former-mentioneds' style as well. I've seen those live event videos every so often but (as with most niche hobby corners of the internet) never imagined it went this deep with so much history between the top competitors.
If there's an anti-Dan slant towards the end, I feel that comes solely from reporting the response of the community - not from the framing or narration or even the interviews. This is what a documentary should be. Well done. 🎮🍍
I see there is a lack of acknowledgment of Dan's achievements. There is a point where it is stated that he "almost" pulled it off. That's false from what I understand of the sport. (I realize this comment is on a year old video but it's a sick documentary)
@@Caleb-gf2oqDude hoarded a bunch of WRs not giving any of his competition a fair chance at beating him before he ever got 32/32 simple as that. Imagine if you were an MMA fighter and you’re told your competions name but not his size weight or record.
Hey man, this is great, but I had a really hard time following who was talking most of the time- maybe have the names pop up every time someone is talking next time?
The betrayal in Matt's voice around 1:36:00 breaks my heart. What a genuinely nice guy. I hope Dan has reflected and realised what he did was wrong and dishonest, and learnt to change. There's no victory in deceit.
I’m not a speed runner but something about hearing about the records and the people involved always gets me hooked, and this is one of the best documents period I’ve seen on UA-cam. Engrossing and informative while still being understandable for more casual eyes. I was rooting for Dan way up until the end when it turned out he resorted to such an underhanded method to finally beat the man who one upped him in every encounter they had, and Matitas might just be one of the best MK players I’ve ever heard of, and definitely the kind of person worthy of the respect he gets. Great stuff, this shit could be a movie and yet I’m sure this would still be the better telling of it all.
What the video doesn't tell is that Dan even one-upped his scumbaggery by breaking his promise to not go for the champ title again until he'd beat all of his own hoarded WRs. It was one of the things MR and Dan agreed on when they discussed on how to continue after the unhoard, and Dan wanted to do that so he would "erase" the hoarded WRs by beating them live on his stream. However, he never did. He broke his promise and never beat a number of his own hoarded WRs, and instead played other courses strategically to attack Matthias and to gain him champ status again. It was ultimately Matthias, just a couple weeks ago, who finally improved the last of Dan's hoarded WRs. So it took almost a full year to beat the last hoarded WRs - when usually Matthias could take back WRs in hours or days. However, the hoard will basically never be "undone". Dan improved for 15 months and now has a huge lead in experience on some courses where Matthias needs weeks (!) of grinding to get into WR territory. Weeks that Dan uses to improve other WRs again. It basically reversed the roles where now Matthias has to attack and Dan can defend. That obviously is a huge advantage and it could've taken Dan years to get into this position if he hadn't hoarded, but Matthias got into that position years ago without ever hoarding - so it CAN be done if you're the better player. The hoarding set back the MK64 community by at least a year. I'm always confused how people can still cheer for Dan. His hoarding was bad enough, but breaking his own promise made it so much worse (in my opinion). It showed that he wasn't ever really sorry for his hoarding, he doubled down on his underhanded behaviour. He only cares about champ status. He doesn't care about the health of the community or competition. Dan could get 32/32 (which he never will even get close to because he's not as good as Matthias) and he'd still not be anywhere near as great as Matthias, because being "the best" requires qualities he simply doesn't have. Matthias = GOAT.
@@enting1991 here here Ente! Absolutely agree with you. MR lost the ability to defend his title from the top of the hill (which he earned when he took the championship from MJ) and now has to battle Dan going uphill. While I think MR is still the more talented player, its very close, but the advantage belongs to the champion, in any competition. Thats why Dans status as champion is not regarded with the same esteem, even after all the hoarded times got beaten, because he never had to do the harder job of climbing up the hill. Also, people tend to think that MR should have just kept grinding times that he already had the record on (or perceived to have the record on) but this does not make sense, when the battle at the top is for number of WRs, not how much can you optimize a single course.
@@enting1991 Another year and now Matthias holds more records in the category than Dan. It just further cements Matthias's place in the community and regulates Dan to more of a unpleasant footnote.
my first reaction was summoningsalt did this first, but then I continued watching and realized that what summoningsalt did was only a small portion of this. I enjoyed hearing about the live events. I enjoyed the interviews. Good video
1:30:39 to get to "The Unhoarding". Shoutout to Matthias for his retirement from MK64, and for being one of the greatest speedrunners in history. Other dude isn't even worth mentioning.
Imagine playing football, and being able to hide all your scores until the end of the season to then take wins away from you opponent without them knowing they need to score more to win. Yea, that just ruins the competitive aspect of the game
@@Rinstor why would matthias try to break his own records when going for 32/32, would just be waste of time and not pushing towards his goal.. this was just scummy..
My favorite part of this video was the fact you were actually able to interview with well-known Mario kart players across the community that have opinions with MR and Dan. Combined with the personal drama and competitions that I didn’t know after watching the Summoning Salt video, this was worth the time sitting down and watching this video.
I'm glad I found this, you have a great future here. I love speedrunning videos like this. You will go far. Thank you for giving me something to listen to.
Brilliant work! I now watch these streamers regularly. Hopefully the hatchet can be buried! 3-7-21 Dan has 20 WRs, 5 of which are ties with MR. The vids changing volume and not knowing who was talking my only gripes.
Dan now holds 32/32 and is crowned champion, and Matthias has retired from MK64 because of Dan's unsportsman-like choice to hoard times. Regardless of his skills, I do not believe that Dan deserves that spot. I hope someone better and with true speed running honor can dethrone him once and for all.
Matthias tried and failed to reclaim after quite some time is the main reason of him quitting. By the end, it was clear that it's no longer two persons rivalry anymore, Dan was better in all aspect. If someone broke the record he could easily best them because the hoarding record was actually slower than what he was capable of mostly because Dan invested a lot of time by the end of the rivalry. All 32 records are now not because of the hoarding, most players has tried and failed to broke it including Matthias.
@@yudistiraliem135 dude he had an entire group of the best all gunning to take him down. What do you think would’ve happened to Dan had he openly claimed his aims for 32/32. The exact same thing. Hyper specialized racers beating his records as he gets them. What Dan did was a dick move because it didn’t give any of the other guys running MK64 a chance to beat his records. On top of matthias.
@@sECUREij I've followed this whole show from the outside, and from everything I see, the A1A and MR were incredibly tight knit. MR welcomed the competition, and have said he loved it. But when Dan played dirty, it literally broke him. He stated as much in his retirement post. Part of the challenge of getting 32/32 was fighting A1A and the runner-up. It's just part of the competition. But if you assassinate the spirit of your runner-up, everything gets easier. Dan couldn't get number 1 and didn't want to face the fight, so he just killed (the spirit of) the next best player. It's disgusting, and people defending him just seems to like the spectacle of sports rather than the spirit of it.
Dan now has the records, but I still think he shouldn’t be allowed into the Hall of Fame. His hoarding went directly against the spirit of the community, and he wanted other players not allowed into the HoF for petty reasons. Seems fair to me.
Meh, the hoarding doesn’t change the skill it takes to do it. The reason Matthias quit is simple, he couldn’t broke Dan’s record he wrote it himself he just couldn’t dedicated more time and who could fault him? If it’s no longer fun then he shouldn’t spend that much time playing IMO. It’s unfortunate for him because he wrote that he wanted to quit for some time already and likely waiting to be the first person to reach 32/32 and then retire. If Dan has no skill or if MR’s was better and he kept uploading better results then no amount of hoarding could change the result.
@@yudistiraliem135 I would argue that neither players were more skilled than the other. If the positions were reversed I feel like Dan would have the same reaction that MR did. It just kills the drive because all of your progress is gone in one day with no chance to respond. I think what MR did is commendable because it drove players to try and stop him and he made the whole community better by attempting to go for 32 World Records. MR could've just grinded and grinded and then mass uploaded all the World Records but he gave them a chance.
I understand that lots of viewers don't like what Dan did, but I'd never go so far as to call him a bad human, he's helped out on a ton of my MK64 videos as well as productions made by others. He cares about kart and the community, he just made a mistake when it came to the competitive aspect of the hobby.
@@Abyssoft I understand that he's helped with your videos, but I don't agree that it's one mistake. It's something he did repeatedly, for a year, deceiving everyone online and lying to their faces in person. That's not one mistake - it's who he was, for an entire year. I think it's more likely than not that's who he still is today, and he doesn't show any remorse when talking about it. I just don't think it's forgivable.
@@RaRa-eu9mw So you're just going to hold this over his neck for the rest of life? By all means i believe what Dan did was selfish, when It comes to competition there is no room for cheating, but giving him a type of label as "bad human being" is harsh. :/
@@zioncoleman3646 He has done nothing since to earn forgiveness. He's made promises he later went back on. He's made apologies and then said he doesn't really care. In his last stream he even began playing Summoning Salt's playlist to slap MR in the face. I absolutely give people the benefit of the doubt, but that has a limit - if you're going to keep forgiving over and over, year after year, then you're just being a sucker.
To quote Scrubs' Dr. Cox... "There’s nothing wrong with a one hitter there Barbie. In fact, it’s miraculous... and I won’t have you of all people cheapen what should be an endless pursuit of perfection just because you want the world to laugh with you tonight..." ...really puts Barbie's 32/32 in perspective.
Matthius already had the 31/32. He was basically one mistake away from claiming 32/32, and he did it with complete transparency, allowing his opponents to challenge his records everytime he made one.
The Dan Hoarding Conversation starts @ 1:30:37 I still HIGHLY recommend ppl watch all the video first (Abyssoft did a great job), but for those that know all the history up to that point, use the time stamp.
I already see the A1A alliance as stretching the concept of fair play. It would be more fair to let MR get the records before concentrating so much effort into beating him, since he definitely was the best player. Hoarding times to prevent others from doing this to him, on Dan's part, was even more unfair. It wasn't cheating or against the rules, but it's a dirty move nonetheless IMO.
Honestly if Dan hadn't taken part in A1A I would have no problem with the hoarding, I know I'm in the minority on this but I feel like the A1A doesn't just stretch the concept of fair play but smashes it into tiny little pieces. When your opponents are meta gaming I think it's fair to do the same.
I think my problem arises in that Dan both took part in the A1A and committed to hoarding times. The A1A was the public front put up to prevent Matthias’ perfect record. Dan participating in that but also going behind everyone’s back is literally being two-faced.
I disagree. The A1A didn't do anything wrong. If anything, the fact there was such strong competition for all that time made things a lot more interesting than if Matthias had swept all 32 without any battle (a la Dan). Besides, if MR had just swept all 32 records, do you think Mario Kart 64 would still be of interest in 2024? I don't. What Dan did was completely the opposite of being competitive... he KNEW Matthias would fight back, so he essentially tied Matthias' arm behind his back.
I actually liked this video even more than SS's video on Matthias. Between your inclusion of interview bits, more thorough timeline the rivalry, and to me portraying the forces in this video as more human on all sides, I found it *extremely* entertaining.
Didn’t expected to watch the full video in one shot, but omg it is so captivating ! Maybe just everytime put a text saying who is talking who be perfect !
On par with other great SpeedDocs like Summoning Salt and Bismuth, Karl Jobst and TomatoAnus. Your in depth additions and going to the players for direct input is a style all its own. Solid.
The thing I find the most disgusting is that Dan participated in the alliance to stop Matthias and after they truncated his goal Dan started hoarding WR to not recive the same treatment they gave to Matthias. I don't think Dan is the devil but he did one of the lowest things I've ever seen.
Hypocrisy from Dan.. about getting 32/32 and ppl should try stop matthias.. about the achievement being overshadowed if there's nobody there to challenge it.. from the guy who hoarders world records. Screwed matthias and the a1a over in the process because he knew with those guys chasing him he had no chance
That's...not really what getting Behemoth'd _was_ though. Getting Behemoth'd referred to having a record beaten by a relatively new/unknown player that didn't have a lot of eyes on them prior. The original occurrence wasn't an instance of hoarding, the run was put out when it happened as normal.
I LOVE Mario Kart 64 competitive mentality. In my place in Germany we also Had a small competitive MK64 Scene... But that was more than 20 years ago. So we could never try to Challenge Matthias and Others... Damn 😅
Absolutely great documentary! My only gripe is that it's hard to follow at times while you're explaining the live events, as someone who doesn't follow mk64 speedrunning, I kept getting lost as to who was who and who was actually winning and if the footage showing was the race you were talking about, but that could be my fault for not paying 100 percent attention. Other than that, fanfic
Matthias being the villain at the beginning of the story and then turning into the hero at the end is an amazing twist. Far better than any recent movie twists
UA-cam's algorithm's at it again lol. I got obsessed with Tetris a couple of years ago because of it, and now I know WAY more about MK64 than I ever thought I would. Thanks for this video and your others. I may have to go back and play some old school MK (Super Circuit was my jam back in the day). I think what Dan did was wrong, but at least he did officially become champion back in January, and since then he and MR have been trading the title back and forth with one another. As of this comment they've trade the championship 7 times, and I hope we get to see a part 2 someday.
"Officially" still isn't "fairly". The hoarding of 15 months basically reversed the roles, where Dan can defend and Matthias has to attack. This obviously is a huge advantage for Dan. And while MR got into that position years ago without ever hoarding, which was a lot of honest and hard work, Dan took a cheap shortcut to get there. It could've been years of honest competition for Dan to get into that position, if he ever would have, but the hoarding now put Matthias at a disadvantage ever since. Not to mention Dan promised Matthias to not go for champ status again until he would've beaten all his own hoarded WRs, as a way to basically remove any hoarded WRs. But he broke that promise shortly after - and ultimately, just weeks ago, it was Matthias who defeated the last standing hoarded WRs. It took him almost a year to do this, when usually Matthias would take back WRs within hours or days, at most a few weeks. That shows that the hoarding was far more damaging that it may look. The last 11 months saw the times being pushed down by a lot, with WRs every week. Imagine how low the times could be right now if the 15 months before that would've been filled with that kind of competition... the hoarding set back the MK64 community by at least a year.
A small part of me wants MR to vome out of retirement with 32 world records all hoarded away for a few years. Won't get the title cos hoarding is now banned, but that middle finger to everyone defending hoarding would be hilarious. He wouldn't do that though... you either have class or you don't.
Really Great video!! just a small thing though: you should probably be a bit more careful with the volume levels, some of the clips were way louder than your voice over.
This deserves to be on television. And also, despite being a Borussia Dortmund fan, Mathias's dominance is more reminiscent of Bavaria Munich or Michael Schuhmacher.
Yeah this is a great vid. There's a bit of an anti-Dan slant to it (like King of Kong) but they're all top players worthy of lots of respect. I also didn't realise so many old-school retired players had turned up to the meets.
Do you not think the anti-Dan slant is warranted? The video, the community, the competitors, they all compete, in the spirit of competition. What Dan did was anti-competitive. Seems pretty clear cut.
@@bigian4649 He fought dirty and probably convinced some people that he's not a great person, but being a good or bad person doesn't affect his skill. He didn't hide strategies, only results, and people are using that as an excuse to downplay his skill.
Matthias is the greatest MK64 speed runner over and it took the entire goon squad to beat him meanwhile Dan is genuinely a terrible human being and so are the officials who decided to keep Dan’s record while preventing others from doing the same. That’s rigging the system no matter how you slice it. North Korean elections have more integrity than MK64 speedrunning at this point.
"I wanted to be champion but knew I couldn't be" so he cheated. Absolutely no respect for this guy, scummy behavior, defeats the entire purpose of the competition and achievement. Dan will go down in history as the guy who couldn't get the achievement legitimately so he resorted to underhanded tactics to get ahead. I see no difference between him and athletes who dope, you can't cut it, don't embarrass yourself and everyone else.
HOW DO I WATCH SALT AND HAVEN’T WATCHED THIS! Shame on you UA-cam for taking so long to recommend this video to me and many others in the comments section.
Really great video man :) the only thing that I have noticed (also with other videos), it is very noticable that you reuse the same background songs over and over. And sometimes the Interviewaudio couldve been a tad quieter
I sorta thought VAJ would be... bigger. I'm not sure I can feel too bad about what Dan did even with the "spirit of the community" aspect given that the other players literally banded together to deny Matthias. When your opponents are employing tactics outside of just driving the game I think it's entirely fair to do the same though Dan shouldn't have participated in that either.
I think the fact that Dan had to go to the lengths he did was because of Matthias’ ability to constantly retake records proves Matt is the best 64 runner, plus the absolute dominance in live events.
Found this after re-watching SummoningSalt's video, and what a find it was. Hearing personal interviews from everyone involved, as well as learning about Dan's hoarding just added much more to the story. Great work, super underrated.
Ikr? Summoning Salt's Video was just about the world records but this was more focused on the live events and interactions between the players plus interviews and personal toughts. Great video!
Summoning salt says he won't cover the 32/32.. says the really story is what Mattias did not the scumbag moves Dan did
@hexendarkside I feel the same the interview at 25:10 when he gave the trophy made me smile
SummoningSalt gives no attention to cheaters or poor sports
@@dr.aisaitl7439 Those at the top will always have haters
Great video! Well, it is easy to put out that Matthias could have reached 32/32 had he not published the records that put him to 30/32 or 31/32, which would let the community thinking he wasn't so close to having the greatest achievement in mk64 ever. What Dan did was exactly that, but only to dethrone the REAL GOAT.
honestly Matthias' 8 times at 31/32 is way more impressive than Dan's 32/32 because he was actually giving his competition a transparent, fair shot at going after or defending times. I'd struggle to call his accomplishment illegitimate since it still took a lot of work, but it's certainly cowardly. how anyone could take any pride in doing it this way is beyond me
Cope
I dont think dan had 32/32. Just that he a better formula after the unhoarding making him #1
@@pg-erk3938 Dan got 32/32 more recently so its not covered in this video
In a larger community, anyone sharing this opinion would have been drowned out. Just an observation
lmao shut up. The world records are insanely optimised, Dan's 32/32 is more impressive.
What I find funny about 31/32 is it's a better story, and in some ways more impressive, with the 2nd 3rd 4th 5th etc guys all coming together, MR taking months off every year, and still killing these dudes. He's as impressive regardless. Dudes always on must be an initials thing. MJ MR.
Disgustingly underrated, I hope people don't write this video or especially your channel off as a Summoning Salt/Bismuth knock off, this is incredibly well done and detailed beyond what could be reasonably expected. Getting the players' side of the story is definitely a welcome change of pace from the former-mentioneds' style as well.
I've seen those live event videos every so often but (as with most niche hobby corners of the internet) never imagined it went this deep with so much history between the top competitors.
If probably isn't a knockoff. At best it's inspired.
I definitely wouldn't say "SummoningSalt knockoff", perhaps just more inspired, at least in the music and storytelling style.
This is legitimately the best Speedrunning documentary I’ve ever seen.
You should try summoning salt too!
@@TupieSan ???
@@Kenny-lx5ws lol sorry fell asleep while watching this.
Summoning Salt just got disrespected.
Tou watch your mouth! Blasphemer! Summoning Salt is the greatest
If there's an anti-Dan slant towards the end, I feel that comes solely from reporting the response of the community - not from the framing or narration or even the interviews. This is what a documentary should be. Well done. 🎮🍍
The dudes as asshole man
I see there is a lack of acknowledgment of Dan's achievements. There is a point where it is stated that he "almost" pulled it off. That's false from what I understand of the sport. (I realize this comment is on a year old video but it's a sick documentary)
@@Caleb-gf2oqDude hoarded a bunch of WRs not giving any of his competition a fair chance at beating him before he ever got 32/32 simple as that.
Imagine if you were an MMA fighter and you’re told your competions name but not his size weight or record.
Hey man, this is great, but I had a really hard time following who was talking most of the time- maybe have the names pop up every time someone is talking next time?
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The betrayal in Matt's voice around 1:36:00 breaks my heart. What a genuinely nice guy. I hope Dan has reflected and realised what he did was wrong and dishonest, and learnt to change. There's no victory in deceit.
Wtf are you on about when talking about deceit? 😂 What Dan did wasn't illegal in any sense. All is fair in love and war.
There is victory in deceit no matter how salty the loser is.
@@brandonizaguirre2963it’s as close to illegal as you can get.
Highly under rated creator. Glad the algorithm finally revealed you to me! keep pushing my friend! You'll break through!
Thanks for taking the plunge and clicking the video! I hope you enjoy the content!
yes , so high quality for so a small channel
I’m not a speed runner but something about hearing about the records and the people involved always gets me hooked, and this is one of the best documents period I’ve seen on UA-cam. Engrossing and informative while still being understandable for more casual eyes. I was rooting for Dan way up until the end when it turned out he resorted to such an underhanded method to finally beat the man who one upped him in every encounter they had, and Matitas might just be one of the best MK players I’ve ever heard of, and definitely the kind of person worthy of the respect he gets. Great stuff, this shit could be a movie and yet I’m sure this would still be the better telling of it all.
What the video doesn't tell is that Dan even one-upped his scumbaggery by breaking his promise to not go for the champ title again until he'd beat all of his own hoarded WRs. It was one of the things MR and Dan agreed on when they discussed on how to continue after the unhoard, and Dan wanted to do that so he would "erase" the hoarded WRs by beating them live on his stream. However, he never did. He broke his promise and never beat a number of his own hoarded WRs, and instead played other courses strategically to attack Matthias and to gain him champ status again. It was ultimately Matthias, just a couple weeks ago, who finally improved the last of Dan's hoarded WRs. So it took almost a full year to beat the last hoarded WRs - when usually Matthias could take back WRs in hours or days.
However, the hoard will basically never be "undone". Dan improved for 15 months and now has a huge lead in experience on some courses where Matthias needs weeks (!) of grinding to get into WR territory. Weeks that Dan uses to improve other WRs again. It basically reversed the roles where now Matthias has to attack and Dan can defend. That obviously is a huge advantage and it could've taken Dan years to get into this position if he hadn't hoarded, but Matthias got into that position years ago without ever hoarding - so it CAN be done if you're the better player. The hoarding set back the MK64 community by at least a year.
I'm always confused how people can still cheer for Dan. His hoarding was bad enough, but breaking his own promise made it so much worse (in my opinion). It showed that he wasn't ever really sorry for his hoarding, he doubled down on his underhanded behaviour. He only cares about champ status. He doesn't care about the health of the community or competition. Dan could get 32/32 (which he never will even get close to because he's not as good as Matthias) and he'd still not be anywhere near as great as Matthias, because being "the best" requires qualities he simply doesn't have. Matthias = GOAT.
@@enting1991 here here Ente! Absolutely agree with you.
MR lost the ability to defend his title from the top of the hill (which he earned when he took the championship from MJ) and now has to battle Dan going uphill. While I think MR is still the more talented player, its very close, but the advantage belongs to the champion, in any competition. Thats why Dans status as champion is not regarded with the same esteem, even after all the hoarded times got beaten, because he never had to do the harder job of climbing up the hill.
Also, people tend to think that MR should have just kept grinding times that he already had the record on (or perceived to have the record on) but this does not make sense, when the battle at the top is for number of WRs, not how much can you optimize a single course.
@@enting1991 Another year and now Matthias holds more records in the category than Dan. It just further cements Matthias's place in the community and regulates Dan to more of a unpleasant footnote.
@@enting1991very well said.
"DAN IS A CHUMP!" HELL YEAH! YOU TELL EM MATTIAS!
my first reaction was summoningsalt did this first, but then I continued watching and realized that what summoningsalt did was only a small portion of this. I enjoyed hearing about the live events. I enjoyed the interviews. Good video
Salt's video -- while very well done -- was done prior to the unhoarding. It does not cover events beyond that.
This video is on another level, had me glued to the screen the entire time! Incredible!
We demand more! :D
More is on the way!
1:30:39 to get to "The Unhoarding". Shoutout to Matthias for his retirement from MK64, and for being one of the greatest speedrunners in history. Other dude isn't even worth mentioning.
Thanks for timestamping!
Thank you. Was an absolute scumbag move. Took away MR's shot at MJ in the process as well which is an extra kick in the nuts.
What other dude?
@@skipfred nobody
@@skipfred Dan
what Dan said at 1:03:16 onwards is so funny to look back on, the hypocrisy
LOL
People shoulda tried to stop Dan. 🤷♂️
@@DarthBane-zf8wv kinda hard to stop him when he didn't even post his times, are you trolling?
@@Trevorischillin He had two thirds of his times posted. If a World Record is so easily beaten, it should be improved.
@@DarthBane-zf8wv that means he hoarded 10 wr times and dropped them all at once. If you don't see the issue you are being purposefully ignorant.
Wow, this is my favorite video you've made yet I think. It even has personal drama!
Imagine playing football, and being able to hide all your scores until the end of the season to then take wins away from you opponent without them knowing they need to score more to win. Yea, that just ruins the competitive aspect of the game
Not only that. BUT telling your competitors you’re behind them the entire time.
Great analogy.
@@Rinstor why would matthias try to break his own records when going for 32/32, would just be waste of time and not pushing towards his goal.. this was just scummy..
@@sECUREijYou might as well have had no scoreboard in that scenario.
wtf idk how this got recommended to me with so little views but this was one of the best vids ive ever seen
Dan is a chump. Tainted record. Happy retirement to MR. The true GOAT.
Agree! He's definitely the best player of MK64 who has ever walked on Earth.
My favorite part of this video was the fact you were actually able to interview with well-known Mario kart players across the community that have opinions with MR and Dan.
Combined with the personal drama and competitions that I didn’t know after watching the Summoning Salt video, this was worth the time sitting down and watching this video.
This was easily my most ambitious video and the one I'm most proud of, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
I can't think of a bigger compliment than a whole community teamming up against you due to being potentially better than all of them! This was neat.
I'm glad I found this, you have a great future here. I love speedrunning videos like this. You will go far. Thank you for giving me something to listen to.
Brilliant work! I now watch these streamers regularly. Hopefully the hatchet can be buried! 3-7-21 Dan has 20 WRs, 5 of which are ties with MR. The vids changing volume and not knowing who was talking my only gripes.
Dan now holds 32/32 and is crowned champion, and Matthias has retired from MK64 because of Dan's unsportsman-like choice to hoard times. Regardless of his skills, I do not believe that Dan deserves that spot. I hope someone better and with true speed running honor can dethrone him once and for all.
Matthias tried and failed to reclaim after quite some time is the main reason of him quitting. By the end, it was clear that it's no longer two persons rivalry anymore, Dan was better in all aspect. If someone broke the record he could easily best them because the hoarding record was actually slower than what he was capable of mostly because Dan invested a lot of time by the end of the rivalry. All 32 records are now not because of the hoarding, most players has tried and failed to broke it including Matthias.
Dan broke Mattias' spirit to play
Well, at least Abney's going for all the shortcut records, so we have that going for us.
@@yudistiraliem135 dude he had an entire group of the best all gunning to take him down. What do you think would’ve happened to Dan had he openly claimed his aims for 32/32. The exact same thing.
Hyper specialized racers beating his records as he gets them.
What Dan did was a dick move because it didn’t give any of the other guys running MK64 a chance to beat his records. On top of matthias.
@@sECUREij I've followed this whole show from the outside, and from everything I see, the A1A and MR were incredibly tight knit. MR welcomed the competition, and have said he loved it. But when Dan played dirty, it literally broke him. He stated as much in his retirement post. Part of the challenge of getting 32/32 was fighting A1A and the runner-up. It's just part of the competition. But if you assassinate the spirit of your runner-up, everything gets easier. Dan couldn't get number 1 and didn't want to face the fight, so he just killed (the spirit of) the next best player. It's disgusting, and people defending him just seems to like the spectacle of sports rather than the spirit of it.
Great work! That was a real nice treat.
50:01 the Mushroom Cup went great... IF you were Matthias 🤣😂
Thanks for the beautiful video. I loved the unusual detail you used for the live meets. Looking forward to your future works.
Dan now has the records, but I still think he shouldn’t be allowed into the Hall of Fame.
His hoarding went directly against the spirit of the community, and he wanted other players not allowed into the HoF for petty reasons. Seems fair to me.
Meh, the hoarding doesn’t change the skill it takes to do it. The reason Matthias quit is simple, he couldn’t broke Dan’s record he wrote it himself he just couldn’t dedicated more time and who could fault him? If it’s no longer fun then he shouldn’t spend that much time playing IMO. It’s unfortunate for him because he wrote that he wanted to quit for some time already and likely waiting to be the first person to reach 32/32 and then retire.
If Dan has no skill or if MR’s was better and he kept uploading better results then no amount of hoarding could change the result.
Correct me if I’m wrong but there are more speedrunners now compared to back then when Matthias wanted to reach 32/32.
@@yudistiraliem135 I would argue that neither players were more skilled than the other. If the positions were reversed I feel like Dan would have the same reaction that MR did. It just kills the drive because all of your progress is gone in one day with no chance to respond. I think what MR did is commendable because it drove players to try and stop him and he made the whole community better by attempting to go for 32 World Records. MR could've just grinded and grinded and then mass uploaded all the World Records but he gave them a chance.
This is really well put together and super interesting!! Really nice job!
It really comes down to this: Dan is a good MK64 player, but a bad human being. Matthias is a good MK64 player, and a good person too.
I understand that lots of viewers don't like what Dan did, but I'd never go so far as to call him a bad human, he's helped out on a ton of my MK64 videos as well as productions made by others. He cares about kart and the community, he just made a mistake when it came to the competitive aspect of the hobby.
@@Abyssoft I understand that he's helped with your videos, but I don't agree that it's one mistake. It's something he did repeatedly, for a year, deceiving everyone online and lying to their faces in person. That's not one mistake - it's who he was, for an entire year. I think it's more likely than not that's who he still is today, and he doesn't show any remorse when talking about it. I just don't think it's forgivable.
@@RaRa-eu9mw So you're just going to hold this over his neck for the rest of life? By all means i believe what Dan did was selfish, when It comes to competition there is no room for cheating, but giving him a type of label as "bad human being" is harsh. :/
@@zioncoleman3646 He has done nothing since to earn forgiveness. He's made promises he later went back on. He's made apologies and then said he doesn't really care. In his last stream he even began playing Summoning Salt's playlist to slap MR in the face.
I absolutely give people the benefit of the doubt, but that has a limit - if you're going to keep forgiving over and over, year after year, then you're just being a sucker.
@@RaRa-eu9mw I understand.
To quote Scrubs' Dr. Cox...
"There’s nothing wrong with a one hitter there Barbie. In fact, it’s miraculous... and I won’t have you of all people cheapen what should be an endless pursuit of perfection just because you want the world to laugh with you tonight..."
...really puts Barbie's 32/32 in perspective.
I've really enjoyed your speedrun history videos. Keep up the good work!
Matthius already had the 31/32. He was basically one mistake away from claiming 32/32, and he did it with complete transparency, allowing his opponents to challenge his records everytime he made one.
He was 0.03 seconds away from 32/32. Crazy
The Dan Hoarding Conversation starts @ 1:30:37
I still HIGHLY recommend ppl watch all the video first (Abyssoft did a great job), but for those that know all the history up to that point, use the time stamp.
waiting for the algorithm to pick u up...
Like comment and share, every bit helps.
Its Getting There... Randomly Got A Suggestion For Him Recently. Subbed Today
It has happened, got recommended his stuff lately
It happened
Helped thx
Great video, I can't even imagine how much work went into this!
Just came back to watch the video now that Matthias is champ again
I had to watch this again after summoning salt uploaded his most recent video that covered the same topic as the beginning of this video
I already see the A1A alliance as stretching the concept of fair play. It would be more fair to let MR get the records before concentrating so much effort into beating him, since he definitely was the best player. Hoarding times to prevent others from doing this to him, on Dan's part, was even more unfair. It wasn't cheating or against the rules, but it's a dirty move nonetheless IMO.
Honestly if Dan hadn't taken part in A1A I would have no problem with the hoarding, I know I'm in the minority on this but I feel like the A1A doesn't just stretch the concept of fair play but smashes it into tiny little pieces. When your opponents are meta gaming I think it's fair to do the same.
I think my problem arises in that Dan both took part in the A1A and committed to hoarding times. The A1A was the public front put up to prevent Matthias’ perfect record. Dan participating in that but also going behind everyone’s back is literally being two-faced.
I disagree. The A1A didn't do anything wrong. If anything, the fact there was such strong competition for all that time made things a lot more interesting than if Matthias had swept all 32 without any battle (a la Dan).
Besides, if MR had just swept all 32 records, do you think Mario Kart 64 would still be of interest in 2024? I don't.
What Dan did was completely the opposite of being competitive... he KNEW Matthias would fight back, so he essentially tied Matthias' arm behind his back.
So much work put into this vid. Well done. Your channel is gonna boom.
Very underrated video! I wish more people talk about Mario Kart 64, and it's community.
Great video, Btw!
I actually liked this video even more than SS's video on Matthias. Between your inclusion of interview bits, more thorough timeline the rivalry, and to me portraying the forces in this video as more human on all sides, I found it *extremely* entertaining.
This was my favorite video I've ever edited, and I have another planned for 2024.
Didn’t expected to watch the full video in one shot, but omg it is so captivating !
Maybe just everytime put a text saying who is talking who be perfect !
On par with other great SpeedDocs like Summoning Salt and Bismuth, Karl Jobst and TomatoAnus.
Your in depth additions and going to the players for direct input is a style all its own. Solid.
Man i watched this vid at least five times now. The amount of passion and work u put in ur vids is rly insane.
Damn another great video, your channel deserves alot more traffic imho
The thing I find the most disgusting is that Dan participated in the alliance to stop Matthias and after they truncated his goal Dan started hoarding WR to not recive the same treatment they gave to Matthias. I don't think Dan is the devil but he did one of the lowest things I've ever seen.
Well said bro, spot on
The fact you covered this much information on a speed run rivalry is very impressive cang wait for you to as a creator to get more attention
Hypocrisy from Dan.. about getting 32/32 and ppl should try stop matthias.. about the achievement being overshadowed if there's nobody there to challenge it.. from the guy who hoarders world records. Screwed matthias and the a1a over in the process because he knew with those guys chasing him he had no chance
I just love MR has just renamed Dan in his streams to a hoarder I love that he fucking deserves all the hate he gets!
Great work. Very entertaining and excellent interviews.
Hoarding times in Mario Kart? Tragic.
Hoarding times in Super Metroid?
*YOU GOT BEHEMOTH’D!*
That's...not really what getting Behemoth'd _was_ though. Getting Behemoth'd referred to having a record beaten by a relatively new/unknown player that didn't have a lot of eyes on them prior. The original occurrence wasn't an instance of hoarding, the run was put out when it happened as normal.
So happy I found this channel, this is criminally underrated
I LOVE Mario Kart 64 competitive mentality. In my place in Germany we also Had a small competitive MK64 Scene... But that was more than 20 years ago. So we could never try to Challenge Matthias and Others... Damn 😅
I didnt want the video to end...
Absolutely great documentary! My only gripe is that it's hard to follow at times while you're explaining the live events, as someone who doesn't follow mk64 speedrunning, I kept getting lost as to who was who and who was actually winning and if the footage showing was the race you were talking about, but that could be my fault for not paying 100 percent attention.
Other than that, fanfic
Best video I have seen all year, absolutely amazing work, keep it up!!
Matthias being the villain at the beginning of the story and then turning into the hero at the end is an amazing twist. Far better than any recent movie twists
theres no rivalry, dan cant do shit without hiding it, Mattias will beat anytime he posts.
UA-cam's algorithm's at it again lol. I got obsessed with Tetris a couple of years ago because of it, and now I know WAY more about MK64 than I ever thought I would. Thanks for this video and your others. I may have to go back and play some old school MK (Super Circuit was my jam back in the day). I think what Dan did was wrong, but at least he did officially become champion back in January, and since then he and MR have been trading the title back and forth with one another. As of this comment they've trade the championship 7 times, and I hope we get to see a part 2 someday.
"Officially" still isn't "fairly". The hoarding of 15 months basically reversed the roles, where Dan can defend and Matthias has to attack. This obviously is a huge advantage for Dan. And while MR got into that position years ago without ever hoarding, which was a lot of honest and hard work, Dan took a cheap shortcut to get there. It could've been years of honest competition for Dan to get into that position, if he ever would have, but the hoarding now put Matthias at a disadvantage ever since.
Not to mention Dan promised Matthias to not go for champ status again until he would've beaten all his own hoarded WRs, as a way to basically remove any hoarded WRs. But he broke that promise shortly after - and ultimately, just weeks ago, it was Matthias who defeated the last standing hoarded WRs. It took him almost a year to do this, when usually Matthias would take back WRs within hours or days, at most a few weeks. That shows that the hoarding was far more damaging that it may look. The last 11 months saw the times being pushed down by a lot, with WRs every week. Imagine how low the times could be right now if the 15 months before that would've been filled with that kind of competition... the hoarding set back the MK64 community by at least a year.
Algorithm will make you shine soon bro such good quality vid
A small part of me wants MR to vome out of retirement with 32 world records all hoarded away for a few years. Won't get the title cos hoarding is now banned, but that middle finger to everyone defending hoarding would be hilarious.
He wouldn't do that though... you either have class or you don't.
Had to watch this over two days and I still don't know much about mario kart but I loved the story. Excellent documentary.
There's lots of MK content and gaming docs on my channel for you to check out
You made this vid before summoning salt.. Good shii, great quality too
Long video... that I watched from start to finish, absorbed in its content
I really enjoyed this video, thank you
All of that footage...crazy
One of the best speedrunning-videos I've ever seen
Feels like that other doc is a supplemental piece to your doc tbh
Loved this documentary, wish it was easier to tell who is talking though.
Just found ur channel from a different video, awesome content my guy! Love it!
Out of curiosity, which video did you find me by
@@Abyssoft paper mario, which is kinda weird considering I mostly play MK(wii)
What an outstanding video. This one is for the algorithm.
Good video. Just needed names on screen too to show us who is speaking.
Really Great video!! just a small thing though: you should probably be a bit more careful with the volume levels, some of the clips were way louder than your voice over.
Found your channel a few days ago from your Mario Kart64 cheater video. Watched this specific video 3x already; hope your channel blows up soon
Dan’s 32/32 should have an asterisk on it
AMEN
This deserves to be on television. And also, despite being a Borussia Dortmund fan, Mathias's dominance is more reminiscent of Bavaria Munich or Michael Schuhmacher.
Yeah this is a great vid. There's a bit of an anti-Dan slant to it (like King of Kong) but they're all top players worthy of lots of respect. I also didn't realise so many old-school retired players had turned up to the meets.
Thanks for the kinds words, I wasn't expecting to see a legend from the early days comment
Wow, we have an OG here!
That I did Penev! I’ll give you my rundown on va 2017 soon.
Do you not think the anti-Dan slant is warranted? The video, the community, the competitors, they all compete, in the spirit of competition. What Dan did was anti-competitive. Seems pretty clear cut.
@@bigian4649 He fought dirty and probably convinced some people that he's not a great person, but being a good or bad person doesn't affect his skill. He didn't hide strategies, only results, and people are using that as an excuse to downplay his skill.
As an outsider, I did NOT expect that ending… What a poor show of morale…
Dirtyyyyy Dan did the community dirty! Matthias for the win. Everyone is allowed to have their opinion on who is the GOAT!
Absolutely disgusting behavior by Dan and a true representation of Gen Z's adept and consistent ability to disappoint the entirety of Humanity !
Amazing video my guy!
Best speedrunning documentary i‘ve ever seen !!
Matthias is the greatest MK64 speed runner over and it took the entire goon squad to beat him meanwhile Dan is genuinely a terrible human being and so are the officials who decided to keep Dan’s record while preventing others from doing the same. That’s rigging the system no matter how you slice it. North Korean elections have more integrity than MK64 speedrunning at this point.
What a ride watching this video was! Amazingly done!
"I wanted to be champion but knew I couldn't be" so he cheated. Absolutely no respect for this guy, scummy behavior, defeats the entire purpose of the competition and achievement. Dan will go down in history as the guy who couldn't get the achievement legitimately so he resorted to underhanded tactics to get ahead. I see no difference between him and athletes who dope, you can't cut it, don't embarrass yourself and everyone else.
MR coming back is awesome. Revenge is sweet!
clearly y'all have never seen Bob Ross's world record speedrun of Mario Paint 64
HOW DO I WATCH SALT AND HAVEN’T WATCHED THIS! Shame on you UA-cam for taking so long to recommend this video to me and many others in the comments section.
Great vid, glad I found your channel.
Glad to have you, I'm quite active on Twitter and the Discord as well
Really great video man :) the only thing that I have noticed (also with other videos), it is very noticable that you reuse the same background songs over and over. And sometimes the Interviewaudio couldve been a tad quieter
I imagine them guys talking shit to eachother in a fun way thru text or phone calls and just being all around good friends? I imagine this right?
121k views and it still feels like it's too small for the work you've put, good job!
I sorta thought VAJ would be... bigger.
I'm not sure I can feel too bad about what Dan did even with the "spirit of the community" aspect given that the other players literally banded together to deny Matthias. When your opponents are employing tactics outside of just driving the game I think it's entirely fair to do the same though Dan shouldn't have participated in that either.
I see Dan was visiting the Goldeneye/Perfect Dark forums in 2019.
Amazing video hands down. I was rooting for Dan the whole video but then he had to do me like that 🤦🏻♂️
Sorry :(
@@danielburbank1669 it’s okay man nothing personal
@@danielburbank1669 Just beat all the hoarded times
@@Akay4444444444444444 I already did
No way this was 4 years ago
2:04 What is the name of this song? Shazam cant't seem to find it.
Custom track that Novadrome made for the video