Is Carpal Tunnel Syndrome coming from your Neck?
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2018
- The Crushing Truth Behind Carpal Tunnel Syndrome!
Are you still having carpal tunnel pain? If you're trying to avoid surgery for carpal tunnel syndrome and have tried physical therapy without success. Maybe you are missing another site that the nerve is being "crushed". The clinical name of this is "double crush syndrome". This syndrome is described as a compression to a peripheral nerve at two or more locations. Often surgeons attribute failed nerve decompressions to this syndrome. When treating people for carpal tunnel syndrome we often do a postural and cervical evaluation in addition to a brief examination of the cervical spine to see if there's other sites besides the carpal tunnel that might be contributing to the symptoms.
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Over all my years of practice, I have found that almost all carpal tunnel symptoms do actually come from the neck. Correcting an irritated disc by adjusting one or more of the lower cervical vertebrae from an anterolateral direction almost always relieves numbers, tingling and pain in the fingersthe same day. I wish more chiropractors knew and implemented this adjusting technique - nothing beats it.
I agree but “all” is pretty broad statement.
Yup
I am experiencing difficulty of gripping pen to write, feeling wrist cracking or grinding. What type of disease causes this symptoms and the medical name ?
can chiropractors really fix this because i'm having pain in my neck and shoulder side and in my wrist. its like a carpal tunnel.
@@apexmovebetter ….almost “all”…?
This is exactly what I think I have. I can feel all three points. I’d call it a triple crush.
I had symptoms at night that at its worst point, felt like my arm was in boiling water. Through all kinds of PT, antiinflamatories, x-ray, MRI and so on, I finally was sent to pain management where they did an epidural injecting prednisone directly into my neck (I had compression of the nerve at C6-C7). What a life changer! It cleared up the symptoms. That relief lasted over a year and allowed me to spend time doing things to figure out some of the lesser symptoms. After an EMG & nerve conduction survey, it was determined that I also had severe carpal tunnel in my hand. 2 days ago I got the endoscopic CT release surgery. Because I wanted to watch a procedure, I just happened upon your video today as the “up next” video. OMG - you explained things so well to me and it makes total sense. Now I understand why when things were “fixed” I was still having numbness/pain in my hand. It seems I probably have more work to do to loosen my shoulder and neck so I can be back to pain free life. You have given my great hope to feel good again. Thank you for the thorough and clear explanation with imagery.
Sounds like you could benefit from a good chiropractor to work on your neck and spine.
My mri shows c4 c5 c6 c7 disc bulge but doctor is not taking it seriously.
@@DRSKBANSAL are you dealing with carpal tunnel like symptoms?
I developed bilateral double crush syndrome 10 years after neck manipulation during general anesthesia. Neurology defers to hand specialists. Hand specialists either want to cut right away or they defer to neurosurgeons.
No one has taken the time to explain it like you did here. Thank you. It would be so nice to get some relief.
how are you feeling now I have bilateral from playing video games with bad posture for years.
There are a few things for treating carpal tunnel syndrome at home
Do stretches - the pain is casued by tension in the nerve
Seek expert advice as it can lead to permanent damage
(I learned these and why they work from Dariks pain destroyer website )
Had this for 3-4 years. Had 2 shots, then went to a specialist who refused to give another shot. Said it was double crush. Went to physical therapy and stopped using my phone in bed at night- it helped.
Then went to a chiropractor, adjusted my neck and ribs and the pain DISAPPEARED INSTANTLY.
@@antar1485 Chiropractor helped me as well, after adjusting neck and spine. Unfortunately he hurt my hand though and have new problems. Don't let them pull on hands.
@@antar1485 If it went away that gives me hope, I wasn't sure if it could go away after a long time and I've had it for almost a year. Thank you for the suggestion
Probably the best educational video about this issue I've found. Making sense of the issues we experience is SO important for us patients. I have exactly this (aided by poor posture due to having scoliosis) and after some failed treatments, I finally found someone competent who is addressing the issue as you describe and felt almost immediate relief after the first session. I'm currently doing a combination of chiro, physio, IMS, and a bunch of exercises and stretching at home to improve my posture and strengthen my muscles.
Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge with us!
It truly is amazing that given the number of people using technology these days that the best we can do is carpal tunnel surgery. It's shameful how hard it is to get any kind of real answers for something that I know has to be extremely common.
Best explanation I have seen! I have watched multi videos from doctors and chiropractors. Thank you for the visuals and explanations.
Glad it was helpful!
Very useful information, thanks
Great Information! Thank you so much. so that is why my pain started on both sides at the same time, it should be from my neck.
Thanks for this info 👍
I went to physical therapist at Polyclinic Seattle and Dynamic Chiropractor Seattle many times. No one understood what I'm trying to explain. I tried to explain my hand weakness and neck tightness, pain are related. They made it worst. Thank you so much for explaining this. I can fairly relate to what you are trying to explain. Thanks a tons for making this video.
I’m going through the same right now. The was too much last week that i ended up in the emergency ward now my family want me to do EEG to be sure it’s not something else. I’m 💯 sure this video explains what is wrong with me.
I am an occupational therapist and this video provides such a good, clear, detailed explanation. Thank you!
Thanks Andrea!
Very good explanation. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks!
So incredibly informative and helpful. Thank you!!!!!!!!!
Thanks 🙏
Gratitude dr.
learnt something today. Thanks
Great information. Thanks
Freya Trigo thanks Frey’s!
Thank you! 💯
The illustrations on the board are incredibly helpful. Thank you for sharing this!
Thanks
@@apexmovebetter
I m Vietnamese and do nail tech. My english language is limited. I went to see specialist doctor and i m going to do EMG on my hands for carpal tunnel syndrome? Do i need to ask to test for my neck also ?
I had discomfort sleeping, i felt numbness from neck (C5,C6) to hands. I m worried and not feeling good. Does medical therapy can help me?
Thank you 🙏 for your video.
@@Saigonxua1975 I would make sure they know where his symptoms are located. You may benefit from physical therapy.
@@apexmovebetter
Thank you for advice !
Thank you. Great video and diagram. You mentioned at the end of your video stretches for this. Can you please tell me the name of the video? I can not locate it. Thank you.
This is a great video explanation. I believe I have this problem on both sides however its more persistent on my right side then my left side. Thank You for explaining
Me too
Best explaination I have heard from anyone.
Thanks!
My EMG/NCT pin pointed my carpal tunnel. The test wasn’t that bad, don’t scare people on that test. I found it very educational and interesting. My test was conducted due to moderate central canal and foramen stenosis. Along with dull intermittent arm pain and daily hand numbness. Great educational video btw.
Thx
Excellent presentation!What you are describing is exactly what I have..both of my wrists go numb when I go to sleep and wake up immediately.
I also have a stiff right shoulder with lesser mobility which based on what you you are describing is probably coming from the neck.
The surgeon recommended to do surgery on both of the wrists at the same time, but I waited for surgery and I tried putting a pillow higher in bed. I don't get the tingling any more so long I sleep on my back with a hogher pillow.Where can I go to get the treatment you are referring?I live in Miami.
Sir very well demonstrated. Sir how make the bent thumb with a bulging knot or bunion popping out. Any suggestion for that.
A few years ago, I began competitive golf after a layoff, and my back was incredibly tight. I figured it would go away it did not. And then completely transformed my entire fascia system, spontaneously, and intuitively over the course of about eight months. I’m quite certain no one has gone through what I’ve done. Now my spine is very mobile as well as my back and I frequently, go, numb in my fingers and my hands. I simply adjust my position and self adjust my spine a little bit and feeling comes back immediately. It’s not concerning at all. I just woke up from a nap with a thought. Carpal tunnel syndrome is a symptom. And it is absolutely caused by misalignment of the lower, cervical and upper thoracic spine. You’re welcome.
Glad you are better.
I had a lot of these issues along with what i can only decribe as weak feeling legs. My GP diagnosed me with carpel tunnel. I waited nearly 3 months to see a specialist and by this point i could barely walk. I was sent for an MRI and 5 days later i was told i had severe spinal cord compression. I was immediately sent for emergency surgery. I can now walk again but suffer a lot with chronic nerve pain and muscle spasms due to a damaged spinal cord. Please don't ignore these symptoms because before you know it it's too late to treat
Agreed
Same situation on me, but haven't decided under surgery
Thank you for posting this
Your welcome
Great video
Excellent info. Thanks for providing this. I have a nerve test coming up. Ready for relief & Hopefully it will give some answers.
Good luck!
How did you get on?
Good explanation
Thanks for liking
I have struggled with explaining my neck injury and hands burning...arms numb...and neck with limited motion. They have all dismissed me and said its carpel tunnel get a brace or let me do surgery. No one has done any tests at all. THANK YOU.
Good luck figuring this out!
Ive been to two different doctors, a chiropractor and my local(probably underpaid) masseuse. The masseuse was the only one who hinted at this very problem. I train a lot and I think the muscles in the neck and shoulder are all balled up.
Work in it and maybe a physical therapist evaluation might be helpful. Kudos to you massage therapist
Same here. Went for a massage and she was more informative and closer to solving my issues than physio and doctors
Superb explanation. Thanks very much for sharing. Carpal Tunnel surgery day after tomorrow... Fingers crossed.
Good luck!
Very informative. Appreciate the detailed information
K11rroL thanks
Thank you from Lismore NSW Australia.
Your welcome!
Thank you so much 🎩🙏
Thank you
THIS!! i can actually feel the problematic points in several points of the median AND ulnar nerve trajectory, cervical area, pectoralis minor and elbow, triceps and elbow. it's just difficult to find specialists open enough to understand this.
Thanks for the best information I will try to follow ur advice I will let u know thanks
Good luck!
Thats interesting !!
My friend had his shoulder crushed years ago, and was just told he needed carpal tunnel surgery, but he's now going to have his shoulder looked at. :)
Great video, very well explained! I might suggest toning down the fear-mongering on the nerve conductivity test, however--I've had two of them and it really wasn't that bad. I would hate for someone to be dissuaded from seeking out definitive nerve conductivity results because they heard that it was "the worst test ever." Keep up the good work!
You make a good point. I hate to have them avoid the opportunity to get a definitive diagnosis.
Thanks for the feedback!
I believe it really depends on your sensitivity. I am quite pain tolerant but tha test was super painful for me.
I’ve had three and neither was painful.
I thought it was very painful!
Yeah I've had a EMG and it wasn't bad. The best way to compare it is it's in between acupuncture and dry kneedling. Dry kneedling is much worse and acupuncture is very similar.
Great summary!! The way "Carpal Tunnel Syndrome" is diagnosed in the conventional medicine context is ridiculously oversimplified. Thanks so much for getting to one of the possible/likely root causes! It took me months of my own research and digging, in attempt to self-treat, to connect the dots between my chronically tight scalenes and pecs, and my recent diagnosis of carpal tunnel syndrome on BOTH arms, all compounded by bicep tendonitis (distal attachment) on one side, which I suspect is further compressing the ulnar nerve. I'm a 34 year old athlete (female, with a very "thin and long" neck) who also has a physically active profession, so this diagnosis is at a relatively young age. Reason being, the points illustrated in this video! Well done :)
Miss Tee thanks
Tell in hindi plz
Thank you!! You video was very informative.
felicia willis thanks Felicia!
Hello! Thank you for such an informative video. Please can I ask - can carpal tunnel syndrome originate from mid /upper back? I’m experiencing more thoracic area pain and wondered if my pins and needles in both my fingers on both hands could be coming from this area. I’m definitely going to get my neck and shoulder areas checked too because these are both stiff and sore too! Any help on exploring any other areas where this tingling might be originating from would be greatly appreciated ❤
Could you please share the recording of the Facebook live you are taking about? Thank you in advance.
If nerve compression comes from the neck/ shoulders, what treatment options are there? Any exercises recommended?
TODAY my doctor recommended a gymnasium rowing machine to exercise & stretch the upper shoulders for potential double-crush symptom which I seem to have.
Terrific presentation. Is developing carpal tunnel in both hands (a few months after a fracture in one wrist) generally an indicator of an issue in the neck?
It could be a neck issue
Thank you a lot
Your welcome
Excellent
Thanks Oliver!
Those nerve conduction tests are incredibly painful. At least it was for me. A doctor heard me crying from outside the room. But then again I can’t even barely get through the Botox shots for migraines. Now my husband had a nerve conduction test didn’t flinch at all. But it turned out he had to get his ulnar nerve relocated. The surgeon had said when he got in there that the nerve was flat.
Question: Is there such a thing as a "triple crush syndrome?"
I'm a 67 y/o female & an R.N. I am 5'3" & weigh 145 lbs. I was diagnosed w/ double crush syndrome about 2 yrs ago via MRI Cervical spine & EMG/NCS (the needles were very mild feeling, esp. compared to the nerve impingement pain).
I have mod. to severe pain from my neck (C5-C6 that is completely black on MRI), to both shoulders (including scalenes, pecs, & across bil. scapulas), & down both arms to fingers. I have also been diagnosed w/ bilateral cubital tunnel syndrome & bilateral carpal tunnel syndrome.
The above has just been treated conservatively. The doctors have told me I need all of it surgically fixed as soon as I'm ready in order to adequately decompress the pathways. I have atrophy beginning in both upper arms & some in my thumbs. My fingers all draw up when I do chores for any length of time (e.g., hand washing dishes, raking leaves, ironing, sweeping or mopping floors, & work on my computer). I have paresthesias in hands & fingers intermittently.
I have a lot of trouble sleeping due to the pain as described above, but also as a result of 3 failed lumbar back surgeries w/ hardware placement, pudendal neuropathy, & severe pain in bil. ischial spines & bil. lower buttocks. This is all complicated by frequent, severe migraines (cervical pain exacerbates the migraines), severe fibromyalgia, mild osteoarthritis, diabetes Type 2 (A1C 5.7), DJD, DDD, bil. hip enthesopathy by x-rays.
I'm a mess, but I'm a well-adjusted mess psychologically & emotionally, lol! The pain is often 7-8/10 through most of the day & it wears me out. I'm taking Norco every 6 hrs w/ 600 mg gabapentin, methocarbamol 500 mg 3x/day as needed, & naproxen 2x/day. I use ice, moist heat, a TENS unit at high intensity, a home exercise program, & infrared pads 4x/day. The doctors said to let them know when the pain becomes too much for me & they will repair the cervical spine & arm/wrist impingements (I have a neurologist, an arm ortho surgeon, a shoulder ortho surgeon, & a spine ortho surgeon. Two different neurosurgeons performed 2 of my lumbar surgeries (different levels) & the last level was done by an orthopedic surgeon). I really don't want anymore surgeries, but the atrophy is very problematic & worrisome.
Just had a nerve conduction test done yesterday and it was not bad at all. Get it done if needed
when i has my nerve conduction test done a couple months ago, I felt like I was being electrocuted. my entire body jolted each time they zapped me. i was SUPER sensitive to it. 😩
it was awful!!
I DON'T recommend NOT getting it done, BUT it can be very unpleasant for some people.
the good news is, it's over fairly quickly.
Agreed. First spot was like "whoa", because the doctor didn't say when he was starting. Didn't hurt at all. The needles are so tiny, you can't feel them...and I hate needles.
Omg this makes sooooo much sense to me. I’m having carpal tunnel surgery next Thursday on my left hand. But my Dr said there’s a possibility it originated from my neck, because I have cervical stenosis. I had lumbar stenosis. Had the surgery and it was a success. But I’m just not ready for neck surgery. So hopefully carpal tunnel surgery will help. Great video. Thanks!
Thanks!
How do you feel after a year?
@@BellaNCormier 😳
Watching this video it's the exact symptoms I am having in my arm and neck now it starts to move over to the other side,the pain is worst at nights....thanks for sharing the information
Hi I was recently hospitalized for some terrible neurological attacks. Complete weakness of my entire body. They did every test on me, including the nerve conduction study. They ended up diagnosing three things. A cervical myelopathy at C5 and C6. Rheumatoid arthritis, and severe carpal tunnel. I'm beginning to think however, that's the biggest part of my problem is a my neck. You pointed out that this is exactly where the nerve to the hands leaves the spine. They did not recommend surgery at this time. I'm beginning to try the exercises you showed. Can you give me any recommendations? I am a musician and this is very bad. I'm getting a lot from your videos. Thanks much!
So according to you CPS IS due to compression of median nerve at the neck by scalene msc and pectoral major at around shoulder and tr carpel ligament at wrist, now how to pin point which is the one in a particular case
Did you do any follow up videos for the neck and pec minor stretches? I was interested in doing stretches for this double crush syndrome. I have a very tight neck my scalenes are very tender and my left collarbone has a lot of tightness under and around the top. I would also say my traps are very tight too I think I have TOS for sure a lot of nerve pain pins and needles as well when I mess around in that triangle between the neck trap and collarbone. I know when I raise my arms they get that referred pain and numbness/tingling on the left side. I know for sure I have bad posture I try to shit back and not lean forward anymore but the damage is done I need to start loosening things up. I have some pain around where my neck meets the back I guess t7 is what I heard it is. I'll check your playlist later on see if I can find any I always add new stuff to try and help myself get better.
👍🏻 great video
Thanks 👍
As a guy with bilateral carpal tunnel and at least double crush, this is invaluable. I developed symptoms two years ago. I even had the nerve conduction test. My experience was that it wasn’t that bad.
Thanks!
I have had couple tunnel back in the early 80s and started having problems after I broke my finger from a line drive in Softball in 2021. That is when my nightmare began. First of all it took 30 days before I was able to have anybody look at my hand. Then it healed up but in 2022 I went back and told them I was still having problems with my hand. They gave me some type of test and showed that it was fine. So I went to another neurologist, and he did the same test, but it was not a warm test. It was a cold test on the hand. Told me that I have carpal tunnel in both hands. also that I had to pinch nerves in my neck . I do have a plate and eight screws in my neck from when I got hurt playing softball . I just had to put that in because it will relate to it a little bit later in the story . So I went back to the hand doctor told him this and he saw the Tests and performed the surgery on it. A year later my hand is still swollen and it’s worse than it was before. Below the palm of my hand are purple veins sticking out and when I take a warm shower, it’s like a purple belt all the way around my wrist. It was getting worse. So now at this point I went back to the other doctor that performed the test to tell me I did have carpal tunnel and he says well you still have carpal tunnel in both hands so he took an MRI of my lumber thoracic cervical to see what was going on. The lumbar and cervical are fused so he sees in the image from my cervical that I have now a few pinched nerves and a bulging disc and he said something about C6 C7 . So now I have a surgeon that said that he was going to do a release on my elbow and I think he said the ulnar nerve, but he needs to talk to his partner about the findings of the MRI of the cervical. So that’s where I’m at right now. Thank you for the video. Now I have questions I can ask both of my surgeons.
Hi, thanks for your reply. I think the neck stretching and massage may be helping. AMEN. Thanks Soo much...
I’d recommend acupuncture needles for the test. I’ve done a lot of that and sometimes it hurts. It’s a weird feeling, though.
So, a few things going on with me and my hand. I started to have numbness in the tips of my middle fingers on my right hand that suddenly occurred a few months ago right after i received a massage. More recently within the past month, when i bend my right wrist forward, i feel a "zing " or shock like sensation through my hand. I've had the bouts of waking up with hand "falling asleep " while I slept and bothersome enough to wake me up. Another thing that causes that tingling sensation in hand is when I sit down, which tell me it may have something do with my spine? Today i had the EMG and NCV done. A little annoying sensation but not bad at all. I've sat through 4 hours tattoo sessions so I'm more tolerable to pain I guess, According to the findings, doctor said I have carpal tunnel. The First treatment would be a splint to wear at night. He did insert a needle in the back by my neck and it came out a negative for pinched nerve. I first went to a chiropractor when I first had the numbness in finger issue. He suggested "intensive "therapy where I went to him 2x a week for a month and no difference. So that where I'm at. So new these tests That i haven't even gotten a splint yet. Oh and another thing I am a pastry s chef, where for a several week period i was using a piping bag but I've been doing this for over 30 years and never experience this before. Love to hear reply from Apex
Thanks for info. I've had all symptoms. Did have xrays on neck and back. Now need to talk with Dr the 13th. Where is your office?. My poor hand gets so numb and goes to pain, its awful,,!
I’m in north Jersey town of paramus
OMG ive been searching for so long and im so thankful i found this video,this is my problem for a month now and im still suffering every night and day, im in too much pain and i tried already many times to go to 2 diff. chiropractors and 2 diff. massage therapists and i even tried accupuncture, i went to my doctor, he`s referring me to a neuro but he told me its gonna be a while it may take a month or more that they will call me and give me an appointment,i told him im suffering every single night and day for pain,he recommend me to go to emergency. This is really the one thats happening to me,the neck,pec minor area and the my rib is elevated,i just seen it today in the mirror,i told myself how come its diff. and i got a tightness on the side of my neck,( as the other chiropactor told me) my shoulder also i know theres something wrong inside my shoulder or close there,also my rt.side i always feel cold, and i think i got a pinch nerve also that my chiro told me but i think he didnt fix it properly as im still feeling it close to the humps at the back of my neck or between that and the blade( sorry i dont know what you call that bones at the rt.back bone,im not sure if its sholder blade). I suspect my 1 massage therapist did something wrong coz he pressed a lot on my shoulder so hard that its so painful he even told me thats the first time he did it, after that im in too much pain and i got numbness mostly on my index finger and thumb, the middle finger just a little bit. My doctor gave me a teva lenoltec no.3 and cyclobenzaprine that helps me for pain and to go to sleep. Could you kindly give me an advice what to do or where to go to or who can help me? Pls. pls. kindly help me, i dont know what to do anymore,ive been doing some exercise that id seen in some video here in youtube about median nerve carpal tunnel syndrome exercises. Then i saw this video im so glad i find this, what can you recommend me is there some exercise that you can share that cab help me?I know this is a long msg. sorry abt. this,im just so desperate and in pain that i dont know anymore what to do, i really appreciated it a lot if u can suggest something or give me an advice also if theres some exercises that can help me,pls. pls. Thank you and i really like this video its so helpful,im so happy that i watched this.
Try these exercises. They shouldn’t make you feel worse
Thanks for the explanations, that makes a lot of sense to me and might give me a chance to handle some of my problems with legs and arms.
Happy to help!
Add more remedy on CTS like stretching, exercises not only keep on talking about CTS others know that anyway what we need is the relief. Thanks.
I wish I had seen this video 30 years ago after a car accident. They took out my 1st rib to save my hand because Numbness in tingling and shooting pain in my hand. Then 28 years later My clavicle dislocated because it didn't have that 1st rib for structure I now have numbing and tingling and nerve pain all over again.
Hi, thanks for your video. I have carpal tunnel syndrome on both sides, it became really serious the past month eith non stop needles & pins, numbness, severe cramps and pain in both hands and arms up to my shoulders...then I slso experience the same tingling numbness and pain in both my legs from the hips...I have no neck pain, but very serious pain in my lower back, can all this come from the lower back? I experience like a klicking of bones in my hips/lower back since October 2021 from carrying heavy boxes when I moved to my new house...can it possibly come from the lower back too? Look forward to your favorable reply. Thanks sgain for the video. This condition actually is very tyering and very irritating. Regards Jenny South-Africa.
For years I had carpal tunnel syndrome coming and going due to overuse (gaming), over the years it pulled up to my shoulder several times. This winter I really overdid it, silly me. It started in the wrist as always and then over a few days the pain extended up the arm to the shoulder. Usually rest and exercises makes this go away after a month or two, and while my wrist is better this time the shoulder refuses to let up. Now 6 months later I still have problems using my computer and my fingers/top of my hand still tingles and goes cold when I do and ofc this puts strain on my hand and wrist again. I also wake up at night because of the pain in the shoulder and sleeping fingers. I been to physio therapy and the doctors without improvements, I have a time for the nerve test in a couple of months as my doctor thinks I need surgery in my wrist although the last nerve test showed no problems in my wrist. But watching your video made so much sense to me, after watching this I am positive the problem is in my shoulder. I have to mention this when I go in for the test. Hopefully they will check my shoulder and neck this time. Thank you for the explanation.
Tell us how you do. You may want to seek help from a certified McKenzie therapist
Hi how are you feeling now?
Thank you for your video, it was very informative.
I have a question that nobody I have been to can directly answer and am interested in your opinion.
Backstory: Worked as a beautician in a very busy salon 40+ hrs a week (was my first full time job as a beauty therapist after a career change from corporate). After a few months, I started experiencing discomfort in my right hand and rapidly led to extreme night pain and wearing a brace at night which helped.
At the same time as this was occurring, I was experiencing [what I thought was] muscular pain under my right scapula. I'd get massages, but NO relief came - I never considered it could be connected with my neck and never reported my “muscle pain” to work or doctor!
It didn't take long for me to get a NCS done, for the pain in my hand, and determined I had Carpal Tunnel Syndrome ("CTS") in both hands but right hand needed surgery and so I resigned from work, under Workers Compensation accepted as a work-related injury (I live in Australia so the laws could be quite different in the USA).
I had CTD surgery in March 2018.
Since surgery, the pins and needles reduced, but have never completely receded, but at the same time, the pain under my scapula continued to worsen and come on more frequently. Massages and acupuncture did nothing to relieve the pain.
Two months ago, the pain under my scapula got so intense that I ended up in the Emergency Department on two occasions, lost feeling in my right thumb, index & middle finger, half my hand, forearm and upper arm, and couldn't even drive a car or even shower myself. I had an MRI that showed that I have compressions from C4-C7, with moderate disc protrusion at C5-C6 and a large herniation (cervical radiculopathy) at C6-C7 pressing nerve root against spinal cord and told by a neurosurgeon that I should have surgery ASAP to avoid ending up in a wheelchair! Work Cover won't consider that it is connected with my CTS or work, however I am convinced that the position of my neck in a downward position for up to 9 hours a day performing facials and massages contributed to the pressure placed upon my discs leading to the protrusions ... which I wouldn't have known that I had, other than the pain in my scapula and there's no way I considered that was connected with my neck at the time.
I'm 48 years young and the MRI indicates:
- facets at C5-C6 have minor degenerative changes with moderate sized left paracentral disc protrusion abutting cervical cord at the site of the left C6 nerve root; and
- facets at C6-C7 have a normal appearance with “shallow disc osteophyte complex" and large superimposed central and right paracentral disc protrusion with disc abutting and mildly rotating cervical cord posteriorly by 10% and markedly compressing existing C7 nerve root.
I'm just trying to understand how my neck ended up in this state and whether they overlooked the main cause of the CTS. Surely not every female ends up in my condition without there being some contributing factor or event.
NOTE: To keep the pain levels down, I’m taking 200mg of Lyrica daily and 10/5mg of Targin (OxyContin/Naloxone) and been told by the neurosurgeon to remain sedentary until I have surgery (Anterior Cervical Discectomy & Fusion).
Thank you for your time.
Glad it helped you!
Hi Trina. I was just reading your comment. I'm sure you were a bit disappointed that Apex Orthopedic Rehabilitation clearly did not read your comment/question! It's been a year since your comment. I am very curious how everything has eventuated! I wonder if you were misdiagnosed initially too. I had a nerve conduction study done as well and also had carpal tunnel release surgery 5 years ago in both hands. Did your nerve conduction study involve needles like he mentioned in the video?? Mine didn't. I live in Australia too. I'm struggling with significant numbness and tingling again...mainly in my right hand. I am very sore and stiff in my neck, shoulder, ribs and arm on the right too. I'm happy I stumbled onto this video as I was preparing to book for surgery again. I'm going to find a therapist today to address my muscle issues first!!
@@miadafoenour8927 Hi Mia. I just stumbled across your message, thank you for responding. I absolutely was misdiagnosed. All the research I've done indicates that the referred pain I was getting under my right shoulder blade was indeed cervical radiculopathy and was connected with my carpal tunnel syndrome. Like you, I just had a standard NCS, not with the needles. I can totally relate to your symptoms and am happy to report that I did end up having surgery in May 2019 at Royal Brisbane & Women's Hospital ... I had an Axiomed arthroplasty prosthetic disc @ C5-C6 and ACDF @ C6-C7. The surgery took 3.5 hrs and was able to slowly take myself off the toxic medication after about 4-6 months and although recovery took at least 6-12 months with six months of regular physio, I feel the surgery has made a huge difference to my pain levels and now, 16 months on, I only get mild pain and discomfort if I do too much which triggers that sharp/burning nerve pain ... I take panadol osteo, use muscle relief cream for my stiff neck muscles and use heat packs (so much better than before). I still have numbness and tingling in my hands and fingers (mostly my right hand) but was told, by the neurosurgeon a year on, that probably won't ever fully recover as the compression on the nerve was there for too long, thus causing irreversible damage, but I can live with that compared with the pain I was in before surgery. I don't have full range of movement of my neck, but it's definitely better than if I had a double fusion ... the prosthetic disc gives me a lot more movement and puts less strain on the discs/vertebrae above. Have you seen a neurosurgeon? What do you think you will do? I can say I absolutely do not regret it, as scary as it was it was worth it.
They have a new way to do a nerve conduction study that's done without needles now.
Good to know! thank you
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You are so welcome
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Thank you for this I've had carpal tunnel pain for about 2 years in my right hand ( I'm a musician ) and late last year it started in my left as well. I refused a chance of an operation twice because I've heard it could cause problems for some patients. Acupuncture has done some good after about 6 sessions, but not as good as I'd hoped.
A good neck and upper extremity evaluation may be a helpful by a physical therapist
How are u now im musician too
@@CutiePie232 Hi cutiepie, bit worse, hands go numb getting treatment from another acupuncture clinic on Monday
@@graham1281 you got surgery?
@@CutiePie232 No I was advised against it
Thank you for posting this, it is great information and something I’ve been wondering for the past few weeks. On and off I get numbness in the tip of my thumb, and it seems to be directly related to my posture and head position. Ive been working long hours the last several months, and have definitely got tight pec muscles with rounded shoulders going.
I notice if I straighten my posture and bend my head to the side, the bend in my neck causes the numbness to run down the nerve my arm into my thumb immediately. Sounds like this could be an instance where the issues are centered around the tightness my neck. Will look into some stretches to loosen it up and exercises to try to better the posture long term... Thanks again for the info!
I’m glad this helped understand the problem. Good luck and tell us how you do!
Hello Sir, could you be little bit more specific about what changes you made in order to get rid of the numbness on the tip of your thumb?
I was diagnosed with carpal tunnel about 30 yrs ago. I quit work (secretary) lots of typing. I did not want the surgery. I have not been bothered by it very much. If I ride a bike my hands go numb within 10 minutes because of leaning forward a little holding onto my handlebars. If I did a lot of weeding I may have trouble. It it has not been much of a problem through the years.
For the past 5 years I know I needed to have surgery on my shoulders but never had time for the recovery process so did nothing. Twenty years ago I fell and dislocated my shoulder for the second time, while waiting for my surgery I tripped over an uneven sidewalk covered with snow I was walking by a big window pane of a restraint so I threw out my arms to save myself but did a lot of damage to my shoulder which was going to have surgery. My Do for said I have the same damage as a pro baseball pitcher. I had 5 things repaired including torn rotator cuff.
WELL, both of my hands are being bothered by carpel tunnel this past 4 weeks. I think it has to do with my right shoulder which I will be having shoulder replacement done. The. -rays show I have a lot of arthritis in my shoulder, the ball end is in bad shape and I am bone on bone. I had NO TROUBLE WITH MY HANDS UNTIL MY SHOULDER WAS GIVING ME A LOT OF PAIN. Two weeks ago I found if I could get my arm in the right position my hand started to feel Normal. It within a minute it was hot full of darting needles everywhere in the types of all my fingers, and even sleeping with the brace in the morning the pain was unbearable I. OULD TOUCH NOTHING HURT MY BONES, I COULD NOT PICK ANYTHING UP THE PAIN WAS UNBEARABLE.
I tried to tell the surgeon who is going to do my shoulder that I think it comes from my shoulder area because you can feel it shoot down my arm into my hand in seconds. He wants me to do that test for carpal tunnel and I have done it I. The past. Will it show that it is coming from my shoulder area by the speed you were talking about? There is also a spot in my back next to my spine which cane set it off and if I roll on a tennis ball it will release the numbness and pins for a short time. I am all of sudden falling apart. I have Osteoporosis and had to take complete care of my husband for about three months. He was very sick and when they put him in the hospital he got what they call HOSPITAL SYNDROME. The minute they rolled him into his room. He had immediate alzheimier’s . I had to do everything the. My son was in a Head on collision and broke his pelvis and hip etc. this led to 3 of my vertebrae collapsing and discs underneath being compacted. And a vertabrae fracture plus more L1 through S1 are not is good shape. Maybe that had something to do with that spot in my back that send pins and needle also to my hand. WHAT KIND OF DOCTOR IS GOOD FOR THIS?
I hope to hear from you. I am beside myself. To think my surgeon said there are no nerves in my shoulder or that area that goes down to my hand and through the carpal tunnel. Thank you Debbie, Michigan
You have had a lot going on. Sorry to hear. I would probably start with an orthopedist that specializes in spine related problems not a general orthopedist. Or a neurosurgeon. Good luck!
I was diadnosed with a Triple Crush of Ulmar Nerve. Next, wrist Elbow.
I had MRI of neck. Neck guy said well C8 is ok. Referred me to a hand elbow surgeon for my hand numbness.
He reviews my MRI and tested me for 30 minutes and said I definitely had a triple crush and couldn't understand how the neck surgeon didn't see it.
So in having ulmar surgery on elbow and wrist and after recovery addressing my neck.
Need to check entire upper thoracic spine, & upper ribs all around, as well as jugular notch, & inside upper part of clavicle, too. Hold ALL the tender spots - right spot, at the right pressure for the right amount of time. In addition, isometrically maintaining erect posture while stretching neck ("pushing" head away from body) helps, as well.
J. Agnone absolutely!
The neurologist said that he can't understand why my neck and my hand are painful. Now I know, but he doesn't. I having the procedure done on Thursday.
Good luck!
I’ve had CTS in the past. Both hands. Years apart- Surgery corrected both. I had Rotator Cuff Repair on R shoulder (2/29) and have had SEVERE CTS symptoms since. I’m still in PT for the surgery- The CTS is making me MISERABLE- What should I do next?
Thank you for this because I have this, and I always felt that my neck and shoulder were involved. This makes perfect sense. What kid of stretches are good for this?
I would start with these first. Listen to the whole video for all the precautions. Top 3 exercises for Neck Pain and Stiffness #neckpain#neckstiffness
Top 3 exercises for Neck Pain and Stiffness #neckpain#neckstiffness
@@apexmovebetter thanks so much
Thankypu I'm sure this is my problem.
Good luck taking care of it.
You said they would hate to have you do surgery. Does that mean that they should do the nerve/needle test before they suggest surgery?
Do they ever do the nerve test only in the arm never above the shoulder to get their findings and then they insist on you getting surgery?
Hi there, I had an injury at work last year with tennis elbow and shoulder injuries when I did my EMG then I found out I do have carpal tunnel syndrome 2.1 and my pain aggravates on my neck, shoulder blade and around and all the way to my wrist to fingers. My pain gets much inflammation every time when I do my PT, OT and any movements but Massage therapy helps me much.
It’s been more than a year but not much improvement and it worries me much. My both arms gets numb all throughout night and keeps me up!
What’s your advice? What should I do next?
Thanks 🙏
Makes a lot of sense, i have carpal tunnel and upper back and neck pain, and I've always described my carpal /arm issue as running from one arm, circling my upper back and running down my other arm.
Get a good physical therapy evaluation! You may get some relief
I know how that make you feel I have the same pain
Where are you located I'm. In canada
Hi I’m having carpal tunnel surgery in 2 weeks I have it in both hands I have had the nerve conduction tests which has proved carpal tunnel syndrome but I also have a very stiff neck so that also has to be addressed I really enjoyed your presentation many thanks Karen Sydney Australia 🇦🇺
Thanks Karen!
Did u have surgery, and is it worth it
How things went
Now I need neck exercises and realise why the wrist ones aren't working 😢
The nerve conduction test. it was like a series of electric shocks and yes I did have a problem. R hand sorted 6 weeks a ago and L hand later this month, August. cannot wait
Keep us posted
Did you have the carpal tunnel surgery?
I feel like this is me! I've had Carpel Tunnel for years. I've also had 2 cervical disc fusions. The electricity from my disc compression is different from the carpal tunnel. The electricity would radiate down both arms. As soon as I had the surgery on my neck the symptoms were gone! The carpal tunnel that I have is a different feeling. I've suffered for 28 years on and off. Just this past October I finally found a doctor that was willing to do something surgical and not just give me a shot and send me on my way. I've had the surgery on both hands with in a month. It's tough at times but I know I'm going to see a brighter future and be pain free carpal tunnel wise. I've got more surgery in the future because I have 4 more discs that have herniated in my neck. Thank you to the drs that listen to their patients and not just treat them and street them. I'm so grateful ❣️
Did you have endoscopic surgery? If so, how bad was the pain while healing? Would you say you could comfortably and repeatedly throw a baseball having both surgeries?
@@hmmmm798 Hi there! I did not have endoscopic surgery on my hands and I was awake! They numbed the area with lidocaine and I didn't feel a thing! I have about a inch and a half incision on my palms just above the wrist. I have about 4-5 stitches in my palm. Your doctor will tell you that after your wound is fully healed use vitamin E or Bio Oil to massage the area to break up the scare tissue. I do believe that after you have healed and done your therapy I believe you'll be able to throw a baseball. Everyone is different and if you don't have any nerve damage I think you're going to be just fine. Don't get me wrong you're going to have about a week of some serious pain. I had both hands done within about 3 weeks of each other. As soon as the stitches were out of the right hand I waited for a week and did the left hand. Good luck to you if you choose to have the surgery. 🙏
My handbag that I carry is heavy. I can feel my fingers tingling and the pain goes down from my shoulder to my arm when I carry it.
I've had that test done twice and didn't find it that bad. The test indicated double crush with no specific area that was worse than the other. Now do I get the carpal surgery to maybe relieve some of the issue or continue with PT?
had carpel tunnel in both hands for over 10 years and now have 60% loss of strength on chest and shoulder on one side of body ,any else had this ?
I injured a nerve in my neck about 5 years ago and have been having carpel tunnel symptoms recently in both arms/wrists/hands. You're saying it's possible to go down both arms?
Hello just diagnosed with nerve damage neck carpal tunnel and got hit in forearm area with a box. Can the median nerve cause carpal tunnel in my forearm injury
i have 3 level fusion in my neck. severe ct in both hands, had an emg several years ago 01, they maxed out the machine i could not feel anything. I have a large neck and big forearms that are solid no matter how much massaging i do. I also have a severe brain injury from childhood hit by car, died. I also have a tumer in my brain stem, pons.
So if an EMG shows you have carpel tunnel, does that mean I do have carpel tunnel? I have problems in my neck and shoulder but they are not addressing that at all, they told me I need surgery on my carpel tunnel!
After a workout I started feeling pain in my forearm and the pain would traveled down to my wrist. After two days my fingers started tingling and the numbness started and moved up my arm and down my left side down to my toes. After 2 MRI's for my spine and brain in the ER I was diagnosed with MS. No MRI or XRay for my arm, that was not an option. Here I am a month later still with discomfort in my hand/arm that has now moved to my neck and lower back. The MRI did indicate I had inflammation in my neck, however, after watching this video and several other of your videos my gut is I was misdiagnosed. I'm in Chicago is there an Orthopedic Rehabilitation place you recommend?
Lorena Trevino you could have a combination of MS symptoms and a orthopedic problem. They will tend to blame.the MS for the symptoms. You need to get a good ortho evslto make sure you don't have voth
@@apexmovebetter what do you mean by voth? Thank you for replying
Lorena Trevino I meant both
I'm just seeing your comment a year later. Have you been helped? When reading that your symptoms started after a workout I immediately thought you may benefit from a Chiropractor adjusting neck and spine. I had symptoms similar to yours and Chiropractor really helped. Make sure you see a reputable one though. They can do alot of damage if not competent but the good ones are life savers! Hoping you are well now.
@@LB81RN I did go see a Chiropractor that also does Kinesiology, and it helped. Come to find out I had a leaking gut and the cause for all the inflammation. My hand is not 100% but I no longer am in pain, and have full strength in my hand. The only reason I say it's not at 100% is because my hand feels tight at times, it doesn't prevent me from doing things just feels like my hand is extremely dry.
i had strange case, if i sleep normally (laying down on my back) night pain occurs every night even though i wear braces. so every night i woke up because of the pain on my hand and start to fall asleep while in sit position, strangely in this position i never had night pain. i don‘t think this is a good sleep position but atleast i could get enough sleep before my scheduled appointment with physiologist