Mine was a midwife (who publishes a magazine out of Eugene, Oregon) & she cost me my son. She belived (believes) that if a baby is overdue, it's the mother subconsciously not wanting to birth him alive. "If you go to the docs, it's on you. Do you want a live baby or a de@d one? Docs kill babies." Afterward, she & her group love-bombed me in a swarm to compel me not to sue, as it would hurt their families. In the absence of a suit, no death in fact occured & they can then misquote their stats. I'll cap the narrative here, to spare the long version. This midwife is acclaimed & travels the world to do conferences.
Hello Everyone! Very insightful indeed Dr. Ramani and Dr. Chatterjee, hope Dr. Ramani's book/s becomes available from the library sooner, for access to each and everyone in need, isn't it! Many thanks🙏🌷🕊💝🤗
Yep. My boss is a narcissist and so is the lady he talks to who is a the head chef. I have no doubt about it. I am constantly exhausted to the point of burnout that I had to tell his boss what's been going on. His boss is a good boss I really like him and he literally makes them step the heck up but I don't trust them at all and won't go to them for anything because I've tried and one of them gave me attitude like I was below her. One time she even said hi to me and I ignored her. I know why she's saying hi to me now cause I just put two and two together I'm not dumb. I'll say hi but I'm going grey rock and going to be boring and not get involved in the gossip at work
No one does. I am dealing w one who has taken over everything after my stroke. Got my family fooled and they are distant. Instead being there they believe the devil. It is hard to be strong when the devil has a plan for your every move. From money to mental support. These people do not need to be out in society. I am gonna say it again. These traits, behaviorisms, of these people are sick and not appropriate. And most folks that have been in a relationship w these folks knows they are like a bomb. Rape, murder, it is not far off. And I know this one here he could kill and not have a problem.
BUT . there are always enablers around them ... "that's just the way they are " I have heard that before and it makes me want to throw up on those enablers , they are just as bad as the narcissist ... garce
@@JosephineLuu All types of narcissists absolutely criticize, judge and belittle others . That is a common and ongoing part of the disorder. Actually, that’s a red flag in the beginning when meeting any narcissist.
@@staciacrick3373Sadism is a psychological metric, like introversion, paranoia, or agreeableness that applies to human behavior that is measurable and definable, it is both quantitative and qualitative, and these measures when applied to other behaviors equally distinct can be aggregated into constellations of attitudes, traits and behaviors that result in personality constructs that distinguish us from one another. Those creating great difficulties for self or others , are called personality disorders, commonly referred to as psychopathy, criminality, narcissism, etc
I went no contact with the narc and every single professional collegue, friend, acquaintance, literally anyone I met in the 21 years I was with my abuser. I have held that no contact for over 7 years. I lost everything, ended up homeless and yet I gained myself and a wonderful new relationship. I don't give a fahk what my abuser or any of those pieces of sh*t that took my exs side think. I love myself and my happiness is more important to me than anything and I will do anything to maintain that. I changed everything. I took the opportunity at 50 years of age to change everything and started fresh.
GOOD FOR YOU EVEN IF IT IS A LOST OF INNOCENTS YOU MADE IT TO THE OTHER SIDE WITH OUT LOOSENING YOUR MIND AND KNOW THIS THAT SATAN IS REAL AND HE DOES NOT WANT ANY OF US TO BUILD A RELATIONSHIP WITH ALMIGHTY GOD, REMEMBER THE CHALLENGE HE MADE WITH ALMIGHTY GOD, THAT NOBODY LOVES YOU AND THE REASON THEY SERVE YOU IS BECAUSE THEY CAN GET WHAT EVER THEY WANT, IN REALITY, SATAN IS THE FIRST NARCISSIST, AND HE HAS THOSE DOING HIS BIDDING, CAN GO ON AND ON !!!!!!!!!! REMEMBER JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU HAVE WON 😊
Everyone can and must do that to prevent increased problems such as physical, emotional and financial problems. It’s better in every way to be alone versus with a toxic/narcissistic person… including family, friends and partners
Narcissist and external validation is like bread and butter. They are always the sweetest outside, but become monsters in their home. I love the speaker, she knows so much about the topic👏
My mother was too. Even now I find it difficult to accept it’s not ‘something I did’ that made my family blame me for all sorts of things, and she’s been dead for about ten years
I would have random people tell me “you are so lucky” after 15-20 minutes of talking to my narcissist ex. What an odd things to say to a stranger, he made a great effect on strangers and went to great lengths to impress them, and neglected and made me feel insignificant at home
She knows what she is talking about because I think she is one of them. Most psychologists have mental health issues and they hide this. Watch her body language when she speaks about famous psychologist she rolls her eyes (18:51). I follow Prof Sam Vaknin he is very good and he said that he is a diagnosed narcissist.
You Actually Have To WANT Deliverance And DO What's Necessary! Having A Bunch Of Pity PARTIES Ain't Going To Cut IT. You Will Be Stuck n Bitter Basically Turn Into A Narc. Talk Without ACTIONS Useless 👎
@@valerieriggins3184 Pretty sure Most people know that.. it goes deeper than that. Fighting against invisible powers and principalities is a very difficult thing.
I started listening to Ramani back in 2020, I was in a chokehold by my trauma. I am now better, in control and graduating at the end of the year. Importantly, I got me. Congratulations are in order. I hope soon you get to feel the same ❤
Intelligent narcissists have also learned to apologize to make an appearance of taking responsibility without actually making a change. This further feeds gaslighting because they can point and say - hey I took responsibility so now you need to get on with it
I had to push towards a sorry... then he listed it as a grocery list : Im sorry i dismiss you Im sorry i ignore you Im sorry i give yoy breadcrumbs Im sorry i stonewalled you Like he knew exactly what he was doing. Still no change. He is now mad because i wanted a week with him after not meeting for 6 months. When i didn't accept his offer of a long weekend ( on his terms)he got annoyed telling me i should be gratefull I don't know if he is a narcist but his behaviour leaves me confused and exhausted
I’ve “only” had 10 years with an alcoholic narcissist and I left the relationship 2 years ago, but the impact on me was so great that the recovery process is so difficult I’m not sure I will ever get better. However, I am free and safe now so much happier.
@@Peter-55 I’m happy you were able to get away. It does take time and tlc to recover but I’m glad that you have been able to find your way. Wishing you all the best.
You made a mistake 25 years ago. And you're still reaping the consequences. Easy to shift blame. When In actual fact you made huge mistake from the get go. Another stupid woman bites the dust
Heavy sigh* I am also still dealing with the fallout 12 years post divorce from a 24 year marriage to a narc. I have said many times, “It’s the ‘gift’ that keeps on giving…” Ugh. ❤
After 4 years of a horrible marriage with a narcissist, I'm done. I'm exhausted. He gaslights, lies, devalues me, withholds affection, and future fakes. I finally woke up to the fact that things will NEVER change. He's always selling pipe dreams!
you gotta elaborate futher because often men are called narcs just for calling out your bs or telling you no, i mean i was labelled a narc, my ex wife told me she wanted to abandon her kids and go to europe for 2 years travelling to find herself, with 3 year old twins and leave them with "i don't know, someone" when i said wtf you cant do that, you are a mother tough shiht. My dad is a big time narc, i know what a narc is, i am definately not one, but some therapist based on hearing only her side labelled me one.....
@@pauljosse Well sorry for your experience. I literally just listed my experience, which is completely different from yours. Sorry she wasn't a good wife or mother. My children are with me honey.
@@laurenh.1312 You are literally describing what I endured for almost 6 years. Lying, manipulating, covertly controlling, selfish, never taking accountability, and making empty promises every time I tried to leave!!! He was lying every single time!!!! They will never change! They don't want to!!!!!! Run!!!!! DON'T TELL HIM YOU WANT TO LEAVE!!!! PLAN QUIETLY AND LEAVE!!!!! All the best to you!❤
@@fruitypopwhickle6806 Oh I kicked him out in April! I'm not wasting any more of my life on him. I'm sorry you went through the same thing. All the best to you as well!
I’m 60 years. I was listening to this and I realized that my older siblings’ behavior is exactly like the narcissistic behavior you describe, and my “issues” are exactly like the issues of one who was on the receiving end of a narcissistic person. Why have I never figured this out before? I have been blaming myself for 60 years. This is life changing! Thank you so much! I’ve downloaded your book. Thank you for the insight you have given me! 🙏🙏🙏🙏
So happy for you. This is going to change your life. Don't say ANYTHING about your discovery to your sister, it would only bring about worse problems and she will NOT change. Just go and get all the information you can, now !!!
Be kind to yourself. Its only now being talked about. When we are going thru things we can not see it clearly .Try to step back away from the pic to get perspective. It is shocking how we keep ourselves stuck because we don't want to feel uncomfortable. When staying the same is more painful than changing we will change. Hopefully. We need each other to help us see ourselves. The mirror affect so to speak.. Love yourself.
My (only brother) is a sociologist. My mother is the narcissistic. Took me 40 years to see them but, now that I do, I have walked away and am finding my peace.
About time Dr.! This conversation is decades too late for me but anyone who is searching for answers to why someone in their life is difficult, antagonistic, constantly critical, uncaring and cold and only interested in having their thoughts, ideas and opinions validated is going to have a seriously bright light bulb moment! It is life changing. Thank you both.
I'm divorcing my narc wife...she is 1k mikes away staying with her parents and her Dad just died. I'm very sorry about that but I cannot let her drag me back in her web of evil
I'm going through that also. I'm just glad his parents are already gone. If not his father would be dying of heartache and shame for the things his son has done. So selfish and he feels justified! NO! I feel like a left over hamburger, no bun, cheese, mustard, ketchup, or mayo! Just cold.
When dealing with narcissism, you should know that it’s not personal. “It isn’t personal” is one of those cliches used to cushion all kinds of bad actions taken by people who need an out for being immoral, but in this case it actually gets near the truth. Narcissists don’t know how to love or be a friend; they can’t afford to spare the energy to learn, because they’re always in a state of high emergency, cataloging potential threats and redoubling their defenses. When they claim to love you, it means nothing. They may even think they mean it, but they don’t understand the concept - they can’t feel it. They never attach to you or anyone else. Other people are paper cut-outs to the narcissist, like those cardboard figures of celebrities you pose next to for a selfie. Narcissist value their own children only as mirrors of themselves. When they destabilize you or attack you, it means nothing. They are stuck in an endless conversation with themselves, in which you are an inanimate object, to be assigned their own faults and used as a surrogate punching bag for their hatred of themselves. When they toss you out, it’s no more meaningful than a junkie tossing away a needle; when they try to reel you back in, it only means that they tired of the new drug and need a hit of the old. None of this is personal. They’re too terrified to have personal relationships, opting instead for extraction of admiration from a subservient partner whose range of action they strictly constrain. This is not personal. None of it. The narcissist does not know who you are - it doesn’t know how to know other people. Like the vampire or the chainsaw-wielding creature in the horror film, it’s from another world, bereft of the concept of human connection. Moreover, People wonder why they end up hurt, seriously hurt, and even killed for their own actions. Cheating is a choice and there’s simply a lot of ignorance in the process.... Thank you so much for helping me out Metaspyhub@gmail. com. Your advice and services helped me so much. You are a lifesaver !!! The information you gave me about my cheating partner when you gave me access to his phone was everything I needed to get,.. thank you very much..
Soul-destroying. Everything was always my fault. It started off as emotional abuse, then very quickly escalated to physical. I never believed that it could escalate with him. I was often told that it eventually would. I naively put that down to 'people being dramatic'. He would hit/shove my head, kick me, grab my neck, push me and drag me around the room. I can assure you - it does lead to physical violence. If you allow someone to treat you this way, it will escalate. This is just a stepping stone. They have no boundaries and no remorse. I wish I had listened to those who had warned me before. I was often told that I was weak. Stupid. A freak. Disgusting. A disgrace. An embarrassment. A piece of shit. A bad human being. That I didn't belong in this world. He told me that he wished I would find someone else, who would 'screw me over big time'. He also wished that I would end up being alone and miserable...because that is what I deserved for treating HIM so badly. He would never take responsibility for anything. He worked 2 days a week. I worked full-time. I cooked, cleaned, did the washing etc. He would watch TV and play video games. If I was to ask for the slightest bit of help, it would turn into a full blown argument. If the TV, his cell phone or anything entertainment related wouldn't work properly, he would explode in a full blown rage. TV remote being propelled across the room, arm chairs being flipped over, cursing continuously. It would terrify me. I was walking on eggshells. I felt that at any moment he could explode for any trivial reason. I was always told to do better. He would call me useless and stupid whenever I did something that didn't meet his standards. I used to ask him to stop because it hurt me. He would always respond with "once you do better, the criticism will stop." I worked so hard to improve everything I did - cooking, cleaning, my clothes, my make up, my hair, doing the chores quickly, running errands, taking care of his son, paying the bills, being the best girlfriend I could be. And guess what? The criticism didn't stop. He told me that I deserved what I got. I deserved the violence because I made him so angry. And because it was my fault that I made him so angry, the violence was acceptable. In a lot of domestic abuse articles, you will see the phrase "I wouldn't have hit you if you didn't do....". If I had a $ for every single time he used that line, I would be a millionaire. He would accuse me of being the abuser. He showed no empathy. I fractured my arm whilst moving house. He entered the room, I asked for his help, and he said "you are so dramatic. I f'ing hate you when you are like that." And then he left the room. He did not ask once if I was okay. I often read that a lot of abusive partners apologise and promise to never behave that way again. In my case, he NEVER apologised. And genuinely, I mean never. I would beg for an apology...and even then, he would refuse. I used to beg him to apologise for all of the hurtful things he said and did to me. He never did. He used to threaten to leave at any opportunity. He would threaten me too. What is my situation now? I discovered that he was cheating on me. And I can honestly say, I truly believe that that moment was my saving grace. I knew i should have left a long time ago. Many people asked me why I didn't leave sooner. Because i was scared. He had convinced me that I was useless and worthless. But when i found proof that he was cheating, I knew that that was the golden ticket. It was time for me to love myself. And if you find yourself in the same situation, I beg of you to find the strength to leave. The love you have been looking for has been inside of you all along. Additionally, I hired a private detective MetaspyClubLLC@gmail. com. Once I knew what the narc was up to, it got easier to get over that lying, cheating, sack of doo doo, loser. I didn’t need closure from the narc, I paid for it. Best money I EVER spent!
I finally left my ex fiancé Toxic Narcissist yesterday. I am sad and at the same time relieved. I know I will get stronger everyday. 🙏. He would go from 0 to 100 in one second. Typical Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde… sucks the life right out of you. I have to take responsibility for my part. I enforced his toxic, abusive behavior every time I took him back. The guy even gave me his ex fiancé’s engagement ring. ( I found out later on) so glad I left for the last time.🥰
Literally I have been speaking about this the last few years. Narcissists cause so much harm and get rewarded! All successful people I know are narcissistic. Society loves narcissists and society loves to shame and blame the victims of narcissistic abuse. If you grew up with a narcissistic mother or father or in my case both- your adult life is basically ruined. I have spent my whole adult life recovering from my childhood- and have had therapists who love telling me my parents love me etc etc. Narcissist do not love. They don't know how. They are severely mentally impaired. But sadly this world is FULL OF THEM. NB. Many mental health professionals often don't want to look at narcissism because it hits too close to home!
@@feltandstone i just got a text from him with a picture of an ' ugly baby ' saying ' our son'... he said he wanted to make me giggle... but i think it"s rude... am i too serious?
"Very very socially perceptive....They can read the room beautifully...in a very self serving way... Tapping into their vulnerabilities... They realize where the pressure points are and they file them away, because they're going them against that person later." 🛎️🛎️🛎️
She saved my life. Knowing “I’m not crazy” I didn’t imagine this. There’s nothing wrong with me. Saved me. I’m not even angry. But I am in control. I feel safe inside my own mind again. I’ve been taking myself out for dates. I love myself and my life again. Yes the flip side of the coin is I must admit I was a victim which sucks almost as bad as being crazy. But I don’t have to live as a victim. Thank you Dr. Ramani.
I was discarded 4 days ago and it has saved my life too. Iam just recovering from physical and emotional trauma that almost took my life away and he still had guts to call off our marriage on phone while I heal from what he caused,it was perplexing but I have relief and I do not want any attachments or talk after this I want to b done to keep my long gone peace. Iam already enjoying what I was missing.
After working under a narcissistic boss for 8 years, I was finally able to walk away from that job. The effects from the stress have been brutal; 🎉I truly believe that the stress led my body to allow cancer to grow. I'm "cured" of the cancer (it's been 6 years now). I am FINALLY feeling healed from the emotional trauma she caused in my life. Your books and podcasts have really helped me put it all into a more objective perspective so that I'm finally able to be kind to myself! Thank you for putting yourself out into this crazy world.
I joined these podcasts two weeks ago and i was feeling that my narc was after my soul after going thru emotional and physical trauma for 4 months. He now has discarded me 4 days agoand I am relieved for now.All my post trauma symptoms r slowly leaving me.iam so amazed u have used the term " giving away yo soul". So painful.
I'm just afraid being a bit addicted to Dr Ramani's voice and her podcasts, as she's such a comforting energy, she's one of my favourite people in the world. Thank you for all that great work. New subscriber here!
Dr Ramani got me through following my departure from narc husband. Rest assured I only watched videos for a year then I finally found myself, my true self before the 27 year long marriage. I only watched this video because I watch Ranjan’s videos but kept watching this one with Dr Ramani to see how far I’ve come
It's like she is the light in a dark tunnel we follow her guidance her motivation to get out of the dark world with a narcissist. May God bless her always. She gives such a vibes. I did not have anyone who understood what I was going through.
@@withloveandrespectalways absolutely- my 30 yr old daughter said recently to me “I don’t know how you got through it - no therapy ever - I still worry about you” I said “you have no idea the hours of you tube I did, if I was on my own and not sleeping I was on you tube”
I am 60, and grew up in a household of narcissists, and a bully sociopath. I saw from a very young age that there was something intrinsically wrong them individually, and how they related with each other. I removed them all from my life in fell swoop when I was 38. Never second guessed my decision, or regretted it for a second. I just had enough(!) of the toxic dysfunction! At the time there was no talk of narcissism, and I thought to myself "The toxicity of these types of people, and the mental/emotional damage they do(especially with the gaslighting) REALLY needs to be brought to light in the mainstream!" I am so glad it has in the last few years.
33:30 👏👏👏👏👏👏 So true! Therapists who don't help their clients name toxicity in their lives and instead consistently try to get the client to change are doing them a huge disservice!!!
ALMOST 6 YEARS NO CONTACT, MY KNOWLEDGE IS VERY POWERFUL AND IMPORTANT!!!! It keeps me in the know, i remember when i knew nothing about this disorder and now i have insight, knowledge and i keep learning every day. ❤
That knowledge is a superpower And damn, I forget this is the perfect place to attract more narcissists 😂😂 It's hella ironic seeing them here no cap 🤣 Remember, to be able to drag you down they have to be beneath you 😂😂😉
Yes! Yes! Yes! You are sooo right. Blaming yourself. I thought I was going to loose my mind trying to be a better me .... Until I realise its NOT ME!!!
So many narc victims are accused of BPD because they are blamed for the difficulty of dealing with the narc and the lies and smear campaigns are believed by others, and finally the victim blows up. Drs and counsellors who know nothing about narcissists do so much damage to the victims.
I was in a 21 yr rel/17 married and I didn’t fully see my ex was a narc until I had been living apart from him for 9 months. I came from a toxic family of narcs and though I struggled in both, it was painfully normal to be abused, physically, emotionally, blamed and gas lit. I’m so glad to have seen this and spent over a year now in twice weekly therapy to finally work my way out of this. 🎉 Never again will I be abused like this.
Being with my ex narc for the past 6 yrs. made me observe this very pattern. I think they wanted to feel very important in a way that is disturbing. Instead of building trust with their intimate partners, they destroy the trust that they built with you (in that case lying when they tried to put you in their pedestal). Once they have a committed partner, they can’t stand being loved authentically by one person. Instead they go on and prey on other women that is susceptible to their love bombing. My ex narc was a compulsive pursuer in a relationship. He would go back and forth to the women he were involved before or try to meet women in complicated situation so that going public isn’t an option while having you as their main supply. In the end they destroy the very person that loved them. They are like toddlers testing your love for them. Showing and telling them you love them isn’t enough, they will cheat on your face to make you feel inadequate even if you are more than they deserve. They want to test your love for them so they keep hurting you and when you have enough of their abuse, you leave. Then they tell you, ‘you never loved me because you abandon me’. Well in fact it’s their actions and narcissistic behavior that made you leave or in other cases they discard you and will give silly reasons of the discard. Mine would use, ‘she’s crazy’, ‘she’s a nega-star’, ‘she insults me’, ‘she cheated on me’ et al. So with this pattern of infidelities and emotional abuse (who knows what else) it’s better to walk away. I did walk away and is now rebuilding my life with our daughter. We are struggling financially because I’m not earning enough to provide for my daughter but now we get to laugh and bring with us sunshine every day. No lies, no abuse and no fake love. We only live once, forgive yourself and move forward but never forget the lesson that narc abuse taught you. That is to respect yourself to walk away from what’s hurting and destroying you. That you deserve a life of solitude, happiness and love. Hugs*** :) Additionally I got to know about my narc husband bad ways when I reach out to a private detective Metaspyhub@gmail. com for help he did a perfect work for me I can see everything he’s doing on his device.
They always treat their immediate family like trash. Showing a caring persona to those on the outside. 8 years of this chaotic man. I have a lot of healing work to do. Grateful he’s gone. He will most assuredly do this to another as this is his pattern. Though he’s painted me as the toxic one his past relationships reflect the truth…
My husband is the best example of what you explained above.i left him.and then I thought of giving him a chance but he would not take me back now.good that he does not want to .he blames me for everything,insults me and assasinates my character as much as he can
Getting to know your true authentic, self and realizing your perfect in all your im perfections, it is a sometimes lonely journey , but trust the process ❤
What’s even worse is when the flying monkeys around them typically benefit, so they pretend they don’t see the abuse while also being their little enforcer.
I said that to my son - he said mom , maybe I’m a narcissist. I said - not a chance, when someone is that so sensitive and self reflective - you don’t make the profile. Just a sweetheart work in progress.
I've experienced gaslighting, which really skewed my self perception until I learned what it was and learned to identify it in the moment...what an epiphany that was! It impacted my mental and physical wellbeing until I got perspective on gaslighting and how it undermines sense of self.
It is such a shock to one's system, I have been gaslight to many time's to count the first one just really made me realize who I am dealing with. It is such a betrayal all in itself
Yeo the loss of innocence , grieving your previous self … this is so true. People around me keep saying don’t worry over time u will be back to ur old self. No longer bother to tell them that that happy bubbly woman is gone. I am learning to be someone new, but it never ever ever will be the happy go lucky person I was. I saw the devil I can never un- know it
Thank you, Dr Ramani, for giving us survivors visibility, and a framework to finally understand the abuse we have suffered. For decades, I knew my relationship was unhealthy, but had no idea why. This information means I can now begin my healing journey, in earnest. I am deeply grateful for your being in the world!
Spot On. The narc I was married to was most certainly evil. The eyes literally turned black when someone else was in pain. They enjoy it. It's plain sick.
My father asd traits and authoritarian narc, my mother a vulnerable narc. Took a relationship with someone like her, heakth issues to see it! The relationship was worse but my mother's prolonged for decades. She has caused me so much harm and now thinks she is a victim because I'm too sick to do what she wants!
Exactly, it takes away an innocence even at an older age learning what the relationship actually was and how dishonest, cruel, deceitful, abusive the person is and will continue to be with any contact. The Injury is Permanent.
Omg I felt so guilty setting my internal boundary, disengaging and not sharing with my mother from a very early age and I feel great now, it’s the only way to have my own life and to stop the gaslighting!! Thank you
My ex partner was narcissistic. He wouldn't stop saying I was a nonsense person and what had I ever achieved. He gaslighted me , regularly then expected love.
Actually repeatedly expected me smiling at the door when he got home like a dog, but sometimes didn't come home after work but never would tell me he had plans. Thus gaslighting.
Same here! Unbelievable! I demanded I get a divorce after 26 years and within months, I was granted that. I’m entering the 5 the year of found freedom.
This is why I struggled to trust therapist's, especially psychologists and physiatrist, as many are narcissistic themselves. Very dangerous for someone who is already vulnerable!!
Agree. How curious that when a woman gets raped the three professions with high NPD, Doctors, Police and Lawyers are the only people we have to go to for help Even the spouses/parents of the victims add severe trauma to severe trauma.
Unfortunately, you need to add judges to that list! Fortunately where I live, you can change the judge, the therapist and a dodgy police officer if you recognise the signs.
My older brother tells me our mother didn’t ruin my life. He really thinks I had a choice. By the time I WAS old enough to have a choice, I was deeply enmeshed with her. I was the youngest and the only girl. They had the luxury of leaving so I was stuck with her. I knew something was wrong with her so I didn’t feel like I could leave her. If I did, she would have no one. I was damned if I did and damned if I didn’t.
You need to get away. The older they get the more evil they get (or maybe they just mask less). Please cut out of all the narcs out of your life, find people who love you, support you and save yourself. Never give up!
My narcisitic mother has live plan that her second youngest, the prettiest one, should become a nurse and will take care of her when she is old. My sister life is steered by my mother, including her live choices. She was depend on mother for everything and create a prison in her mind, thinking that is her fate and she cant get out of it. Here is the truth. She is capable, she has job as nurse and all resources to be independent, if she wanted. But, she is in prison of her mind and all the manipulation. See what resources you have or build your own, plan your exit.
@@roberth4395they do get more evil. Twenty years ago, my cousin was merely insulting. Ten years ago, behind my back so I could not defend myself, he conducted a months long campaign to convince an 88 year old widowed, childless aunt from the opposite side of the family to be disinherit me. He succeeded. ( You can destroy anyone's reputation if the other person has no chance to respond. ) I was nearly murdered at age 7, and have two severe disabilities as a result. My cousin knows this, of course, and that was part of the appeal for him. He's scum, of course. I have two emails from him from eight years ago which show his true, monstrous self. He's a bigshot in his huge church, and I'm considering forwarding the emails to his church leadership. My pastor thinks I should do it.
I know they are manipulative and cruel.. But how do one fuck*g leave their family member alone as easily as everyone says as if it is a daily task... You can't leave a family member just easily. Better to completely block yourself emotionally in front of them and be with them for minimum periods of time.
They Unload the Stress at home to Family and Spouse. It is behind closed doors. No one can imagine such a person doing this and people don't believe it, even when it reaches the level of assault, the police believe the calm controlled abuser who states they only grabbed a hand. While days later there are bruises over the entire Body. No one sees that. These people are DANGEROUS. DYSREGULATED Demonic.
I believe in that research by Sapolsky, new male baboons joining the group were taught that violence/force (behavior expressed in alpha males) was not the way with them. And the new baboons adapted to the pre-established, more peaceful and mutually cooperative way of existing. I think there's a clip of him somewhere saying, "if the baboons can do it, what's our excuse?" or something along those lines.
Ya, this shit is real! I fell in love so quick w one. Married her after 7 months. Only married for 9. It’s been a year and a half of no contact, and its still enrages me how deceived i was. It’s not just something that just rolls off your shoulders and move on from. I still feel that subtle toxicity in me that the narc put on me, w all the gaslighting, still questioning if im a good person. But i know i am. Its just sad that it’s even still a thought. If you know, you know. I don’t wish this on anyone
@@BEazy234 as supply for a narcassist. The mental manipulation is sickening. You leave, they stalk, bad mouth you either them or one of their flying monkeys. You take time to get back to yourself, then you realize the lifelong change that this relationship made to you. Does every relationship somehow change you. Probably so. But when everything from your privacy to how you think about yourself is shattered . You become a different person. Learning how to make decisions and what to do or listen to is in my opinion pivitol. As we are stripped of our thought, life, empathy. I am not going to stop working on removing the bad from my life. I am not perfect or in search of it. What my mission is , is to tell my story, turn everything into a positive part of me as much as is possible. I heard a podcast talking about shame, how shame will stop you from moving forward. I heard that forgivness to yourself is pivitol. I heard that empathy for yourself is self love. I dont require anyone to agree with what i say. I know the truth. That no one deserves to have their privacy, be manupulated, deceived and harmed. I love what dr. Ramani said, she wants to add tools to everyone toolbox so they can live a life .
My mother is a "Covert" Narcissist and I really did not understand this until the past 2 years. My father was very codependent with her. The whole family tip- toed around her and allowed her to control us. My mother was very cold and could not be nurturing, kind or loving. This was so harmful to me my entire life. Thank God for programs like AA, CODA and ACA, and of course my private counselor! Thank you for this informative you-tube video, I am not alone.
Great conversation, Dr Chatterjee, as always. You're the best. Dr Ramani is so amazing, it's great for me to see her again. What a woman. She has been instrumental in my understanding what happened to me as the child of a covert narcissistic mother. From personal experience, I can really measure and feel what she's been through herself and what she has been able to do with it. Absolutely amazing. She says it the best: "this is not easy work." No, indeed. I'd say for many of us, it's a miracle we've survived at all. If you haven't lived it, you can't even fathom what it's like.
@bellelacroix5938 so true my dear, so true. At 68 years old, imagine, I still struggle. The trauma part is embedded in the unconscious mind and it is difficult to access it without a cPTSD specialized therapist. But we're here, aren't we ! Dr Ramani's videos have helped me a great deal. Wishing the best 🤗
I live in rural Australia, I loved this information and all Dr Ramani's UA-cam Videos. She is brilliant! I am in my mid 60's and I am very grateful to be learning about these personality styles (a bit late) at this time in my life. So many people have touched my life over the years and I did not know why I felt "uncomfortable" and with the worst of them "physically and emotionally abused" Childhood to mid 60's and ?? why I did not understand this pattern of behaviour???? Never too late, I have a lot to learn .......and I will never stop learning. I have just bought your latest book and hope to always learn more. Grandchildren are the ones that are now being affected and that is so very, very sad. I feel powerless to help, and I am a helper..........
The fact that some narcissist's act really childlike doesn't help much either, it almost gives them a free pass to get away with a lot of their dysfunctional behaviors. We can feel like we have an unruly child on our hands instead of an equal partner which they should be.
Omg he is so childlike. He invited his brother and his wife to our Valentine's dinner! Then he said he wasnt going to tell me but hes going to surprise me for my birthday and he invited them. He didnt even ask me. Who the fuck does this? I said he did it because he is childlike, but today i admitted to myself he is a narc. I have stories for days but you have heard or lived through them, because these people are all the same. I feel FREE admitting the truth and seeing it. He would say "i dont know whats wrong with me" well bitch i do!!
I don't have a personality anymore, just trauma and loneliness. I cannot get through to people anymore. No matter how much reach, I'm always excluded. And if I stop reaching, I'm definatelly excluded and then I don't even have that pathetic reaching. Years of exclusion from humane interaction and years of loneliness have washed away my personality. I'm finally afraid to interact and socialize with people. There's no other choise but to adjust my goals of rest of my life accordingly. Otherwise I'll be stuck in futile attempts of reaching out and creating some connections. It's just scary that living in isolation and loneliness makes every mistake and every bad day worse, as that easily can start to spiral downward. So I don't afford having a bad day. I must hold it together every day at all times, so that I won't slip and fall. The other down side is that although world has many nice things to offer for those who have had the change to cultivate their character and social skills, who had the change of having personality, all the is unreachable to me and I just at it through a thick window. Life is happening, I witness it in other peoples lives from afar, but I'm left in this odd place. I think more and more people can relate these days. I have been left into this weird state already for decades.
You do have a personality, I can hear it, I can feel it. You have so much worth, we all do. Please rest, reset & reach out. Take a deep breath, see the beauty all around. Try to find a good therapist, it sure took me a while to find one. Dr Ramini has also been a blessing. Please don't let others take away your inner beauty. I know it's not easy, I struggle too. The trauma is overwhelming at times. Wishing you find healing & you can live your best life. We all deserve it.
@@dianearena2516 thank you for your kind words. 🩷 I have a threapist, she's my only life line. My first therapist was a narcissist, who made many things worse.
Set a plan, like an actual plan. With a set schedule and calendar cycle for the next 3 months. Dont set the plan and schedule for 3-6 months until your 3 months is about to end. The plan is a introductory to society and social networking. Gyms/classes/teams. And going out(anywhere any place tht has music and drinks) and dating apps. These are your 3 elements tht need to be added to this schedule. All the other time is to find a job that is with a larger company or a job tht puts you around tons of people (restaurants/hospitality/big offices full of people) And when off work make plans to see family and friends you love
I love her, and she's so spot on with everything about narcissism. I've been so harmed mentally & physically by these people, but the mental abuse is worse. It never leaves your brain. Now I'm single for the past 7 years, and I'm keeping it that way. 💯
I think sometimes we try to convince ourselves by saying no one is perfect so we maintain the relationship but gradually we realize the toxic part of people which is not about being imperfect.
This is exactly how I deal with my narc…I accept the flaws & imperfections because I know I also have flaws & imperfections, even though my narc refuses to accept this fact in real terms. He can agree in theory but unable to agree in practice because he believes he’s superior over me. It’s a contradiction in that he talks the talk but doesn’t walk the walk. The need for power, control, & attention are his priorities over love, humility, & kindness.
The therapist I went to with my ex ganged up on me with him because I was completely unhinged and reactive during our sessions from the 3 years of ongoing abuse. He was a vulnerable so seemed like the nicest guy you could ever meet. She did so much damage to my wellbeing and recovery. These people are very dangerous. Before I met him his wife had died homeless after a complete mental collapse and he spun it that he’d tried so hard to help her but the system had failed her. I have not one doubt that she wasn’t able to identify the abuse and he is directly responsible for her death. It’s tragic. These people are absolute monsters and I’m so grateful to Dr Ramani for helping me to identify them
Some therapist are bad. Therapist have been arrested for sexually assaulting patients at the department of veteran affairs in California. Some therapist aren't even listening to you if you show up to an afternoon session because they're already tired and don't like their job. There are signs you can look up about bad therapist on UA-cam videos. One of the signs is the therapist will try and control your language such as telling you to not use contraction in your speech.
@@rwdchannel2901thanks yes. It’s like any profession- most are mediocre at best and a few are excellent. I have had some horrible and some wonderful therapists over the years. During that particular time I was so unstable I wasn’t really able to assess quality because I was absolutely exhausted and in survival. We only worked with her a couple months but it was just gross how snowed she was by the narc when I was reporting abuse and screaming (literally) for help. My current therapist is excellent and we do therapy with horses which is awesome.
@@rwdchannel2901like Dr. Ramini demonizing all narcissists. She will help anyone with any condition but if you’re a narcissist you deserve zero compassion.
They can be physically dangerous too. My nex was. His ex wife never dated one man after divorcing him. He cured her just like he did me. I'm done with dating, relationships, etc.
0:08 why she’s passionate 1:14 what it is 9:16 moderate narcissist 11:1913:48 what causes it 17:15 adaptive 25:02 the numbers 26:20 NPD 32:26 self blame 35:21 usage 39:46 trauma 42:50 understanding it 46:14 trauma bond 46:35 hoovering 48:09 supply 49:24 gaslighting 55:21 people stop fighting back 54:50 insecurity 56:36 love bombing 1:03:03 take our identity 1:05:47 when you recognize 1:06:17 radical acceptance 1:08:22 grief 1:10:51 individuation 1:14:08 grief for innocence 1:18:54 1:25:03 parents 1:25:56 getting in and stuck 1:31:37 finding your self 1:37:08 inner boundaries 1:39:10 if you’re a narc 1:41:48 knowing the truth 1:42:46 DEEP 1:43:08 don’t personalize
There are many different signs. These include spending time on phone that was not spent previously, withholding sex from you, withdrawing in communication with you, agitation or anger over Petty stuff or making up situations to get angry or agitated over, lying, being secretive in any way, randomly spending more time caring for and pampering oneself such as putting on makeup or wearing cologne or coloring hair etc. Any type of changed behavior that is not aimed at pleasing or benefiting your relationship. With all of that though, follow your gut. your gut is telling you that something isn't right and it's telling you that this could or is happening, therefore listen to it. Just Free yourself from all of it! Run and don't look back. Go 100% no contact. The mental and emotional abuse is not okay at all! Do not bring anything up to her. Don't try to rationalize or have a conversation about anything. Don't let her know that you know she's in narcissist. All of that can cause a narcissistic rage. If you have not yet witnessed one of those just trust me that you don't want to! A narcissistic rage is beyond any rage I have ever seen or witnessed in my entire life. I am an army combat veteran and served front lines for a year and afghanistan. I have abuse going back from as long as I can remember, the first time in my personal memory is 2 years old. With everything I have been involved in, and my rape, other sexual abuse, their physical abuse, etc in narcissistic rage is by far the worst! If you need to contact your local police department and start a new contact order. No one can protect you like you can! free yourself from it all and move forward in your life. The minute you run and go no contact is the minute your life begins again. If need be seek out professional help. Therapy is the best thing I did for myself. The best gift I gave to me! The abuse is so deep and overwhelming that having a professional guide you through the steps of the healing process is extremely beneficial! Just remember, there is great strength in asking for help. There is great lack and strength or no strength at all in putting on a mask and hiding behind the opinions of society and pretending that you are okay! As human beings we all witness A Time In our lives where we are not okay! Those that heal, move past, and move forward, and have a brighter future are those who ask for help and do the work that is needed through the help! I'm so sorry you are going through this and I wish you the very best! Good luck! Always remember that you are stronger than you believe you are, you are worthy and deserving of better and always, and you are enough just the way you are and who you are today! Take this time for you! Get yourself again. Fix that meal that you're all time favorite, rent that movie you've been wanting to see, have a guys night out with your best friends, remodel a room in your home, go purchase that item you've been wanting to for so long, just do for yourself! Self-acceptance, self-love, and being able to forgive yourself is far more important than what anyone else can give to you! Believe in who you are! You deserve nothing less than that! You're not alone! Feel free to tag me in any other questions that you have! I'll help if I can. Additionally you can hire a cyber expert to help you get remote access to their phone so you can track them and monitor all of their activities without them knowing. You may locate the top cyber specialists locally at Digitalinvestigate@gmail. com, where you can engage a well-trained professional to assist you..........
My partner of 13 years doesn't even ask how my sobriety is going or am I struggling after quitting a nasty meth addiction cold turkey, but explains how when she quits smoking (after years of my trying to help her) or losing 60lbs (after getting pissed any time I tried to motivate her) the fact I don't celebrate each step is dragging down her motivation. ....🤨 I quit addictive methamphetamines cold turkey and I never EVER get a shown interest in my struggle at all, but you take 5 years to quit smoking and you want a cookie? pretty tough to handle, especially when I got gaslighted my entire life by my narcissistic never does anything wrong mother. who will treats me like I'm 12 instead of a 36 year old man. I heard my whole life how I didn't do this and that happened because YOU said... now at my lowest point, my once wonderful fiance is a lying manipulative narcissistic child too. I'm tired of burdening my life w their problems. I'm done... whenever she sees I have no issue not speaking w her, she always goes back to the girl I knew in the beginning. Even jeapordizing our kittens health when I freak out when they clearly show sudden odd worrying behavior, it's always 'no seems normal to me, your just over eggaserating." All just to protect your issues. while I blame myself and cry uncontrollably because I blame myself for somehow, no clue at all how, harming my Lil adorable buddy. She said nothing and fucking kept up the charade just to save face? How fucking sick and evil... Cats clearly not well and is hyperventilating and scared and you tell me I'm fucking making the situation worse by freaking out? Convincing myself maybe I am crazy? I'll never EVER accept that. I know why you're like this, but doesn't make it acceptable behavior. NEVER. I'm done being used, I'm grown now. I plan on taking our two kittens and our dog (who she just took in, despite me saying I don't want the dog - now is severely clingy because she's just dismissed him to being an inconvenience and I care for mostly now anyway), I'm taking all 3 out this nightmare and giving them a life they deserve. not ignoring them all day then playing hero when they needed food and water so they clung to her and ran from me cos I lost my mind and would end up screaming in frustration wth her. Fucking sick. I should've listened to my gut in the beginning when I didn't see her that way, she was like a sister. she hung on and played getting closer and closer to the point I thought I was stupid for ignoring her the whole time and proposed. 13 years is a long time to have your world yanked out from under you. then blamed for causing the issues. there's no going back. If you want to play games, play by yourself. 👋 I had my mother who was a helicopter parent then never showed any affection or understanding, I left and took control of my life. I abused every single stimulant in my 20s and quit them all child turkey from my own desire to take back control. Everything was perfect with us, because I handled it all myself. There's is nothing, NOTHING that cut deeper more than when at my lowest point the one and only time I EVER asked her for real actual help, and it started this string of asinine excuses and always ALWAYS being told it's my fault. And my relapse being used as the ultimate dismission of any feeling I have. That is the worst feeling in the world... far worse than addiction to any drug, ptsd, childhood trauma.. nothing. the emotional damage is unforgivable. Especially when I did everything I could have to have a dialog and resolve issues like an adult before it became problems Never again. 🛑
My older sister is typical NPD, has been emotionally, mentally, and vocally abusing everyone in our family, I kept telling my mom and my younger sister that she is psycho and stay away from her, but no one has believed me, instead they all say I am not treating her right! 😢
I just listen to someone who tried to explain how to maintain a relationship with a narcissist. It made me sick to my stomach. If spending 60 years of my life suffering from these creeps wasn't enough now somebody wants me to go back and be the good guy and make it right? Not happening in my case! I am so finished with being smashed down by these monsters on a consistent basis forever and ever in my life. I deserve and want better for myself and for anybody around me now. I don't give anybody who wants to put me down and abuse me an extra minute of my time anymore. I'm out. I'm gone. And I'm in a better place
My sisters are narcissists, i told my sister i don't trust you and you dont have my back, i feel she is always pulling me down, no answer, another day she was angry and yelled at me rather than trying to explain, then i was the bad guy, she put it back on me, then i had to explain to her i just want to have a better relationship with you, no answer, i think she does not give a damn about me, she just wants to manipulate me and lord it over me, telling me what to do, never ever says sorry, i am thinking about cutting her off as i don't like being abused and put down, she is shallow, and stupid, theres not much introspection just manipulation!
I got out of a relationship 8 years ago that was exactly like this , every single aspect was there.. Im super happy i got away, and it has been now 8 years of being single,.,. :) Need to fully get back out there, but it really has affected me and it was a while ago now. It did change me as a person, im much more self reliant, careful, and single, its amazing how accurate the description is, This is the fist conversation that has explained it so i feel like i understand what happend, So Huge thankyou,.,.,. X
Dr. Ramani is doing so much good. And I completely agree with her, mental health and families aren't recognizing this, "thats just how they are." And people that have been affected by these relationships have been woefully undertreated. Finally someone is recognizing narcissism and the harm it can cause. Don't excuse it. Its very serious. So glad we have the Narcissism Knowledge Queen, Dr. Ramani.
When the doc talks about the holes left in her after her abusive relationship I totally get it; there’s part of her thats embedded in me and I'll never entirely get rid of. And yes, this relationship did change me permanently but I learned so much about myself and my genuine worth. In a way I'm grateful for having had to navigate this pain. I'm better for it. I'm also an Introvert and easily drained when around alot of people. Its important not to fight who you are.
I've had to deal with a group of them in my own family and an ex husband. They all made it their purpose to hurt me extensively only because I was there. The best line of defense is to not be in their reach - no matter who they are. Get away and save your life ..
Narcissism has always been around. Read the Bible where they talk about the devil. It’s not that red guy with the horns. It’s you mother, your father, your neighbor, your spouse, your boss, etc. Remember one of the first stories in that holy book: Cain who was envious (tell tale sign of narcissism) killed his brother Abel even though God had reached out to him several times.
People who need narcissistic behavior are the worst for themselves, because they are to afraid or didn't learn to be authentic and to connect with other people (and themselves) in a honest, dignified, respectful and loving way. They are isolated within themselves and probably the most anxious, lonely and unhappy people because of this inabilities. That's why they need to use control, manipulation and force.
I've let narcissists, both familial and relational, destroy my life. Now I live alone in a fairly remote area, I don't leave my house except for necessary errands and appointments, I don't trust anyone except my kids and a couple old friends. I'm just marking time until it's all over.
I now have the lifestyle you're talking about and I live quite remote as well but I still have a lot of dreams and passions to aim for. I know that narcissists have done a lot of damage by limiting my choices and then punishing me when those choices didn't work out but I am resilient and capable. I know my worth including what I have survived. I hope you find your light enough to take some risks again.
Haha- the nex never once made a promise to do anything different because he was never the problem. He never said sorry, never took accountability for a single thing and made every single situation worse by just being himself.
Long-time Dr Ramani fan - great interview. I always LOVE Dr R's impromptu impressions of the narcissistic people she's using as an example. They're downright cute, the contrast between the impressions and her normal manner! I love her so much
I thought it was going to take a couple months to heal from a narcissis. I have learned that it takee longer now. Depending on how much and how long you was damaged by an narcissis. It may take years or a life time to heal. I have learned that I had to leave a narcissis to heal my heart and soul. Almost broke me. I'm so happy that I saw and realized it . I free myself. I ended it and left for good. Now through healing I am a empathy. I have been dealing with narcissis all my life. Number one person was my mom who is an narcissis. I have learned that I attract narcissis. I have also have dated many narcissis and have friends who are narcissis too. Now that I have accepted it, see it, realized it, and healing. I will do myself best for the rest of my life to never put myself through it again. I got this!
Dr. Ramani gets sharper every time I listen to her. She's saving my life right now. I've been able to listen to this with pleasure... it helps me in more ways than I can enumerate. P.S. I literally lost my mind, but now I'm getting it back after years of useless therapy for depression.
I was going to therapy right after i split from a 24+ relationship with a narcissist. I was really annoyed by the therapist because it felt like she was gaslighting me. I went for around 3 months but every time I left, i felt worse than when i went in. So, i dropped her as my therapist. I am wicked nervous about getting another therapist because I need someone who knows about and can help treat narcissistic abuse and trauma bonding. Ive been out of the relationship for over year and a half.... and i am struggling to begin my new life. Ive been listening to Dr. Ramani for a year and a half now. I appreciate having the language to describe wtf i went through for 1/2 my life. Now....i just need a decent therapist that wont gaslight me.
A positive support group worked for me. I was lucky enough to come across a few decent therapists, many bad ones out there. I am learning to listen to and trust myself now, I’m 53 and it’s taken this long! Thank you to Dr Ramani, her work is helping so many of us 💕✨🙏🤩
Listen to Sam VAKNIN. It will help you get a deeper understanding. Your narc is a broken person a small child. Forgive and move on. Congratulations on your freedom
OMG!! She is the best and I’m so greatful for meeting her messages 🙏🏼 So assertive!!! So true when she describes my experience I feel I’m not alone anymore. No one understands what I go through. It so easy to say kick him out of your life. But she knows it’s also not possible at times. I need support to overcome day to day crisis while never letting my guard down. Love bombing, hoovering and many other strategies that now I have identified, can no longer be used to manipulate me. My life changed and it never will go back to being confident and madly in love with this one or anyone else in the world. I really believe I began to see our life without the filters my narcissist imposed. Ramani, I love you so much 💖 Thank you thank you thank you for sharing so much with me. My life returned to being wonderful again because I met your UA-cam videos and your books.
I just started watching the video and must say I'm happy to see this collaboration! I'm a daughter of a narcissist mother. I moved to a different continent to have peace of mind.
I have a covert narcissist mother. Since I was young she expected me to be there for her every need, but wasn't there for me. I'm now in my 40s and nothing has changed. I realized that I have to break free. I have been considering moving to a different continent to have peace of mind as well. Do you have any advice on that?
After dealing with an abuser and painfully healing, I wish I can give every victim a tight hug. I hope nobody goes through this pain. I never thought someone would do this.
At 51 mins. Dr Ram explained the one thing which I have drove myself crazy about over 7 years. I almost broke down here. This exact thing happened with me. For years she would tell me that she never said or did things, and I felt like i was the one going mental. Years ago i started saving screenshots from messages and making journal entries about the things she said and did. Recently, I raised these things and she would tell me she never said or did these things. I showed her evidence and she then said the exact thing Dr Ram said here. I spent weeks running this over in my head feeling like a terrible person for saving a message or screenshot. Thank you so much 🙏🏽
@@Ashlee-hh6di thank you for the comment. It is so so hard, but I hope one day I can get there with my healing. It’s hard. I’ve given into everything she wanted and i’m left with hardly any friends as all of the friendships were ruined. Don’t feel like visiting my family. Take on both kids routine every day. With all the facts, its still just so hard. Appreciate you.
Oh yes! Trusting oneself can be a daunting, seemingly difficulty, task. I’m in the process of learning to trust myself as apparently my parents (maybe just dad, I don’t remember much from childhood) exhibited this behavior. Based on how I feel about myself and my actions, it would seem I’m a survivor of this type of abuse. Hard to wrap my mind around honestly…
@@Ashlee-hh6di i really feel for you and hope you do make it through everything 🙏🏽 I had a very long conversation with her today. I spent years moulding myself to her requirements, many times she wouldn’t ask me to change directly. Instead proceed to talk about how i am not enough in various ways, in front of my loved ones and friends. When i changed in all the ways she asked and indirectly asked, I ask her today… what about the things I asked for you to change? support with our family, finances, household chores, childcare responsibilities? All seem to have been forgotten somehow. She often asks me “have i not improved at all?”, my response today was simply “no”. Very hard as we have been married 7 years and twice i have had promotions and felt terrible about sharing the news to her. In the past she’s said things such as “oh its OK for some people, congrats” 😳 really difficult to stay, but something inside is clingling on to hope 😞
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Mine was a midwife (who publishes a magazine out of Eugene, Oregon) & she cost me my son.
She belived (believes) that if a baby is overdue, it's the mother subconsciously not wanting to birth him alive.
"If you go to the docs, it's on you. Do you want a live baby or a de@d one?
Docs kill babies."
Afterward, she & her group love-bombed me in a swarm to compel me not to sue, as it would hurt their families.
In the absence of a suit, no death in fact occured & they can then misquote their stats.
I'll cap the narrative here, to spare the long version.
This midwife is acclaimed & travels the world to do conferences.
Respond if you have time?
His name was Jeordie Paul Farrell & he would've had his 40th birthday later this fall.
Mothers don't forget.
I was an undiagnosed autistic. Otherwise, I wouldn't have been so trusting, so gullible.
I'm oksy now. I just miss my son is all.
Hello Everyone! Very insightful indeed Dr. Ramani and Dr. Chatterjee, hope Dr. Ramani's book/s becomes available from the library sooner, for access to each and everyone in need, isn't it! Many thanks🙏🌷🕊💝🤗
When you are constantly exhausted, you are dealing with a narcissist!
Very true
Omg so true l! It took me 31 years to figure it out but now I can see it easily on everyone else.
I always feel it behind my eyes. It's very odd.
That just clicks... that is so obvious now that you have said it... 😮
Yep. My boss is a narcissist and so is the lady he talks to who is a the head chef. I have no doubt about it. I am constantly exhausted to the point of burnout that I had to tell his boss what's been going on. His boss is a good boss I really like him and he literally makes them step the heck up but I don't trust them at all and won't go to them for anything because I've tried and one of them gave me attitude like I was below her. One time she even said hi to me and I ignored her. I know why she's saying hi to me now cause I just put two and two together I'm not dumb. I'll say hi but I'm going grey rock and going to be boring and not get involved in the gossip at work
She's correct, people don't understand how a narcissist destroys things around them, their wake is a nightmare
No one does. I am dealing w one who has taken over everything after my stroke. Got my family fooled and they are distant. Instead being there they believe the devil. It is hard to be strong when the devil has a plan for your every move. From money to mental support. These people do not need to be out in society. I am gonna say it again. These traits, behaviorisms, of these people are sick and not appropriate. And most folks that have been in a relationship w these folks knows they are like a bomb. Rape, murder, it is not far off. And I know this one here he could kill and not have a problem.
It destroys your mental health. I felt lonely and depressed in the relationship, just as equally as I am grieving the loss of the relationship.
BUT . there are always enablers around them ... "that's just the way they are " I have
heard that before and it makes me want to throw up on those enablers , they
are just as bad as the narcissist ... garce
@@stevengarcia877 because they are that good at being evil.
They destroy many many lives.
They also derive so much fun from bullying harrasing making fun of others
not all but those are sadists
@@JosephineLuu
All types of narcissists absolutely criticize, judge and belittle others . That is a common and ongoing part of the disorder. Actually, that’s a red flag in the beginning when meeting any narcissist.
Only psychopaths are sadists or the malignant type of narcissist, which is about 3% of all narcissists
@@staciacrick3373Sadism is a psychological metric, like introversion, paranoia, or agreeableness that applies to human behavior that is measurable and definable, it is both quantitative and qualitative, and these measures when applied to other behaviors equally distinct can be aggregated into constellations of attitudes, traits and behaviors that result in personality constructs that distinguish us from one another. Those creating great difficulties for self or others , are called personality disorders, commonly referred to as psychopathy, criminality, narcissism, etc
@@staciacrick3373they devalue others because their fragile ego is threaten. They don’t enjoy doing that. It’s their protecting mechanism.
I went no contact with the narc and every single professional collegue, friend, acquaintance, literally anyone I met in the 21 years I was with my abuser. I have held that no contact for over 7 years. I lost everything, ended up homeless and yet I gained myself and a wonderful new relationship. I don't give a fahk what my abuser or any of those pieces of sh*t that took my exs side think. I love myself and my happiness is more important to me than anything and I will do anything to maintain that. I changed everything. I took the opportunity at 50 years of age to change everything and started fresh.
Very brave 👍♥️
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GOOD 4 U TO OLD FAST 2 LATE SMART YOU GO GIRL THE BEAT TO YOU
You inspire me
GOOD FOR YOU EVEN IF IT IS A LOST OF INNOCENTS YOU MADE IT TO THE OTHER SIDE WITH OUT LOOSENING YOUR MIND AND KNOW THIS THAT SATAN IS REAL AND HE DOES NOT WANT ANY OF US TO BUILD A RELATIONSHIP WITH ALMIGHTY GOD, REMEMBER THE CHALLENGE HE MADE WITH ALMIGHTY GOD, THAT NOBODY LOVES YOU AND THE REASON THEY SERVE YOU IS BECAUSE THEY CAN GET WHAT EVER THEY WANT, IN REALITY, SATAN IS THE FIRST NARCISSIST, AND HE HAS THOSE DOING HIS BIDDING, CAN GO ON AND ON !!!!!!!!!! REMEMBER JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU HAVE WON 😊
1:42: DEEP Don't go deep Don't engage Don't explain Don't personalise.
Don't defend.
Ultimately I ask myself how this person makes me feel. If they consistently make me feel bad, they're gone. I am retired. Not everyone can do this.
honestly, best advice out there
Everyone can and must do that to prevent increased problems such as physical, emotional and financial problems. It’s better in every way to be alone versus with a toxic/narcissistic person… including family, friends and partners
I agree with this statement, Nothing could be truer !
Unfortunately that’s how I treat the relationship with my mother
@@flowerchild3312 When i tell my husband how i feel about things he does, he tells me its not him making me feel like that, I'm doing that to myself.
Can’t get enough of Dr. R. She is a national treasure.
Dr. Ramani is actually changing lives across this planet!
She said she keeps narcs in her back pocket cause they are fun to invite to parties. Sounds like manipulation to me.
Narcissist and external validation is like bread and butter. They are always the sweetest outside, but become monsters in their home.
I love the speaker, she knows so much about the topic👏
Big yes! my husband is like that. Super fake
@@doremifasolatido-ro7zsmy husband too
My mother was too. Even now I find it difficult to accept it’s not ‘something I did’ that made my family blame me for all sorts of things, and she’s been dead for about ten years
I would have random people tell me “you are so lucky” after 15-20 minutes of talking to my narcissist ex. What an odd things to say to a stranger, he made a great effect on strangers and went to great lengths to impress them, and neglected and made me feel insignificant at home
She knows what she is talking about because I think she is one of them. Most psychologists have mental health issues and they hide this. Watch her body language when she speaks about famous psychologist she rolls her eyes (18:51). I follow Prof Sam Vaknin he is very good and he said that he is a diagnosed narcissist.
I was trauma bonded for years..narc ruins your life,your soul
How do I break the trauma bond?I am drowning 😢
this year marks 7 years of trauma bondage..im still broken. i have anhedonia
You Actually Have To WANT Deliverance And DO What's Necessary! Having A Bunch Of Pity PARTIES Ain't Going To Cut IT. You Will Be Stuck n Bitter Basically Turn Into A Narc. Talk Without ACTIONS Useless 👎
@@margaretmbinji9909how did you get out?
@@valerieriggins3184 Pretty sure Most people know that.. it goes deeper than that. Fighting against invisible powers and principalities is a very difficult thing.
Doctor Ramani rather exposed the malignant narcissist's wickedness all over YT years ago and I am glad of that. Walk away, walk away, walk away...
I started listening to Ramani back in 2020, I was in a chokehold by my trauma.
I am now better, in control and graduating at the end of the year. Importantly, I got me. Congratulations are in order. I hope soon you get to feel the same ❤
Congratulations! Dealing with a narc can break you. So happy you’re better and in control again. All the best to you in the future.
When a Family Member made me the BAD GUY at mothers Funeral. ENOUGH🤮bye!!
‘Chokehold” truly is the word that resonates , like the bow on the strings of a cello..
@@nonpareilstoryteller5920 I was literally in a chokehold. That was my last straw.
My ex narc took another woman to his wife of 30 years to her memorial… instead of family and friends. What a piece of 💩
When someone justify their cruel words to you as being straight talker, constant gaslighting and never taking responsibility for anything.
Intelligent narcissists have also learned to apologize to make an appearance of taking responsibility without actually making a change. This further feeds gaslighting because they can point and say - hey I took responsibility so now you need to get on with it
Believe it or not...most narcissists are not intelligent. They act intelligent. Intelligent people are humble.
Absolutely! I've seen it first hand!
I had to push towards a sorry... then he listed it as a grocery list :
Im sorry i dismiss you
Im sorry i ignore you
Im sorry i give yoy breadcrumbs
Im sorry i stonewalled you
Like he knew exactly what he was doing. Still no change. He is now mad because i wanted a week with him after not meeting for 6 months. When i didn't accept his offer of a long weekend ( on his terms)he got annoyed telling me i should be gratefull
I don't know if he is a narcist but his behaviour leaves me confused and exhausted
They lie.
any promise that isn't actively happening is worthless. any apology without changed behavior is meaningless.
All I ever wanted was to be accepted 😪 thank you for helping me realize that there's nothing wrong with me and that I'm not crazy.
Twenty five years with an alcoholic narcissist. Twenty five years out and I’m still dealing with the fallout.
I’ve “only” had 10 years with an alcoholic narcissist and I left the relationship 2 years ago, but the impact on me was so great that the recovery process is so difficult I’m not sure I will ever get better. However, I am free and safe now so much happier.
@@Peter-55 I’m happy you were able to get away. It does take time and tlc to recover but I’m glad that you have been able to find your way. Wishing you all the best.
You made a mistake 25 years ago. And you're still reaping the consequences. Easy to shift blame. When In actual fact you made huge mistake from the get go. Another stupid woman bites the dust
Heavy sigh*
I am also still dealing with the fallout 12 years post divorce from a 24 year marriage to a narc. I have said many times, “It’s the ‘gift’ that keeps on giving…” Ugh. ❤
perhaps your parents were abusive… that’s usually how it goes.
After 4 years of a horrible marriage with a narcissist, I'm done. I'm exhausted. He gaslights, lies, devalues me, withholds affection, and future fakes. I finally woke up to the fact that things will NEVER change. He's always selling pipe dreams!
you gotta elaborate futher because often men are called narcs just for calling out your bs or telling you no, i mean i was labelled a narc, my ex wife told me she wanted to abandon her kids and go to europe for 2 years travelling to find herself, with 3 year old twins and leave them with "i don't know, someone" when i said wtf you cant do that, you are a mother tough shiht. My dad is a big time narc, i know what a narc is, i am definately not one, but some therapist based on hearing only her side labelled me one.....
@@pauljosse Well sorry for your experience. I literally just listed my experience, which is completely different from yours. Sorry she wasn't a good wife or mother. My children are with me honey.
@@laurenh.1312 You are literally describing what I endured for almost 6 years. Lying, manipulating, covertly controlling, selfish, never taking accountability, and making empty promises every time I tried to leave!!! He was lying every single time!!!! They will never change! They don't want to!!!!!! Run!!!!! DON'T TELL HIM YOU WANT TO LEAVE!!!! PLAN QUIETLY AND LEAVE!!!!! All the best to you!❤
@@fruitypopwhickle6806 Oh I kicked him out in April! I'm not wasting any more of my life on him. I'm sorry you went through the same thing. All the best to you as well!
@@laurenh.1312 Sooo, soooo happy for you!!! Enjoy your peace and freedom again!💃🏾❤️💃🏾❤️💃🏾❤️
I’m 60 years. I was listening to this and I realized that my older siblings’ behavior is exactly like the narcissistic behavior you describe, and my “issues” are exactly like the issues of one who was on the receiving end of a narcissistic person. Why have I never figured this out before? I have been blaming myself for 60 years. This is life changing! Thank you so much! I’ve downloaded your book. Thank you for the insight you have given me! 🙏🙏🙏🙏
So happy for you.
This is going to change your life.
Don't say ANYTHING about your discovery to your sister, it would only bring about worse problems and she will NOT change.
Just go and get all the information you can, now !!!
Me too. My older sister. No longer in my life🎉🎉🎉🎉
Be kind to yourself. Its only now being talked about. When we are going thru things we can not see it clearly .Try to step back away from the pic to get perspective. It is shocking how we keep ourselves stuck because we don't want to feel uncomfortable. When staying the same is more painful than changing we will change. Hopefully. We need each other to help us see ourselves. The mirror affect so to speak.. Love yourself.
Better late than never! Now you get to feel like you’re sane again. It is liberating
My (only brother) is a sociologist. My mother is the narcissistic.
Took me 40 years to see them but, now that I do, I have walked away and am finding my peace.
About time Dr.! This conversation is decades too late for me but anyone who is searching for answers to why someone in their life is difficult, antagonistic, constantly critical, uncaring and cold and only interested in having their thoughts, ideas and opinions validated is going to have a seriously bright light bulb moment! It is life changing. Thank you both.
Tania, same here. You describe their narc behaviour so eloquently. I feel like crying. So true, and too late for me.
I'm divorcing my narc wife...she is 1k mikes away staying with her parents and her Dad just died. I'm very sorry about that but I cannot let her drag me back in her web of evil
Good for you! I recommend disappearing
You got this! Don't look back!!😍💪🏾💛
Hard but less hard. Press on.
I'm going through that also. I'm just glad his parents are already gone. If not his father would be dying of heartache and shame for the things his son has done.
So selfish and he feels justified!
NO!
I feel like a left over hamburger, no bun, cheese, mustard, ketchup, or mayo! Just cold.
Let her deal with her own shit,peace my friend.
I truly believe that nacassim is a lot more common than a small % and very much overlooked.
50% at least
So true.
If someone is not behaving the way we want them to behave we call them narcissist. 🤠.
I'm perfect........💯 Perfect ....
I agree 100%
AGREE! I’m constantly exposed to at least one in my life that’s hard to get away from. Feeling Trapped.
Wow. I didnt realize unconditional love is that rare. I did get it. I am 47 and i am still getting it. ❤
When dealing with narcissism, you should know that it’s not personal. “It isn’t personal” is one of those cliches used to cushion all kinds of bad actions taken by people who need an out for being immoral, but in this case it actually gets near the truth. Narcissists don’t know how to love or be a friend; they can’t afford to spare the energy to learn, because they’re always in a state of high emergency, cataloging potential threats and redoubling their defenses. When they claim to love you, it means nothing. They may even think they mean it, but they don’t understand the concept - they can’t feel it. They never attach to you or anyone else. Other people are paper cut-outs to the narcissist, like those cardboard figures of celebrities you pose next to for a selfie. Narcissist value their own children only as mirrors of themselves.
When they destabilize you or attack you, it means nothing. They are stuck in an endless conversation with themselves, in which you are an inanimate object, to be assigned their own faults and used as a surrogate punching bag for their hatred of themselves. When they toss you out, it’s no more meaningful than a junkie tossing away a needle; when they try to reel you back in, it only means that they tired of the new drug and need a hit of the old. None of this is personal.
They’re too terrified to have personal relationships, opting instead for extraction of admiration from a subservient partner whose range of action they strictly constrain. This is not personal. None of it. The narcissist does not know who you are - it doesn’t know how to know other people. Like the vampire or the chainsaw-wielding creature in the horror film, it’s from another world, bereft of the concept of human connection.
Moreover, People wonder why they end up hurt, seriously hurt, and even killed for their own actions. Cheating is a choice and there’s simply a lot of ignorance in the process.... Thank you so much for helping me out Metaspyhub@gmail. com. Your advice and services helped me so much. You are a lifesaver !!! The information you gave me about my cheating partner when you gave me access to his phone was everything I needed to get,.. thank you very much..
It's very personal when they trust you like crap and everyone else with respect.😢
Soul-destroying. Everything was always my fault. It started off as emotional abuse, then very quickly escalated to physical. I never believed that it could escalate with him. I was often told that it eventually would. I naively put that down to 'people being dramatic'. He would hit/shove my head, kick me, grab my neck, push me and drag me around the room. I can assure you - it does lead to physical violence. If you allow someone to treat you this way, it will escalate. This is just a stepping stone. They have no boundaries and no remorse. I wish I had listened to those who had warned me before.
I was often told that I was weak. Stupid. A freak. Disgusting. A disgrace. An embarrassment. A piece of shit. A bad human being. That I didn't belong in this world. He told me that he wished I would find someone else, who would 'screw me over big time'. He also wished that I would end up being alone and miserable...because that is what I deserved for treating HIM so badly. He would never take responsibility for anything. He worked 2 days a week. I worked full-time. I cooked, cleaned, did the washing etc. He would watch TV and play video games. If I was to ask for the slightest bit of help, it would turn into a full blown argument. If the TV, his cell phone or anything entertainment related wouldn't work properly, he would explode in a full blown rage. TV remote being propelled across the room, arm chairs being flipped over, cursing continuously. It would terrify me. I was walking on eggshells.
I felt that at any moment he could explode for any trivial reason. I was always told to do better. He would call me useless and stupid whenever I did something that didn't meet his standards. I used to ask him to stop because it hurt me. He would always respond with "once you do better, the criticism will stop." I worked so hard to improve everything I did - cooking, cleaning, my clothes, my make up, my hair, doing the chores quickly, running errands, taking care of his son, paying the bills, being the best girlfriend I could be. And guess what? The criticism didn't stop. He told me that I deserved what I got. I deserved the violence because I made him so angry. And because it was my fault that I made him so angry, the violence was acceptable. In a lot of domestic abuse articles, you will see the phrase "I wouldn't have hit you if you didn't do....". If I had a $ for every single time he used that line, I would be a millionaire.
He would accuse me of being the abuser. He showed no empathy. I fractured my arm whilst moving house. He entered the room, I asked for his help, and he said "you are so dramatic. I f'ing hate you when you are like that." And then he left the room. He did not ask once if I was okay. I often read that a lot of abusive partners apologise and promise to never behave that way again. In my case, he NEVER apologised. And genuinely, I mean never. I would beg for an apology...and even then, he would refuse. I used to beg him to apologise for all of the hurtful things he said and did to me. He never did. He used to threaten to leave at any opportunity. He would threaten me too. What is my situation now? I discovered that he was cheating on me. And I can honestly say, I truly believe that that moment was my saving grace. I knew i should have left a long time ago. Many people asked me why I didn't leave sooner. Because i was scared. He had convinced me that I was useless and worthless. But when i found proof that he was cheating, I knew that that was the golden ticket. It was time for me to love myself. And if you find yourself in the same situation, I beg of you to find the strength to leave. The love you have been looking for has been inside of you all along.
Additionally, I hired a private detective MetaspyClubLLC@gmail. com. Once I knew what the narc was up to, it got easier to get over that lying, cheating, sack of doo doo, loser. I didn’t need closure from the narc, I paid for it. Best money I EVER spent!
I finally left my ex fiancé Toxic Narcissist yesterday. I am sad and at the same time relieved. I know I will get stronger everyday. 🙏. He would go from 0 to 100 in one second. Typical Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde… sucks the life right out of you. I have to take responsibility for my part. I enforced his toxic, abusive behavior every time I took him back. The guy even gave me his ex fiancé’s engagement ring. ( I found out later on) so glad I left for the last time.🥰
Watch out. That's not the end, block him
Prayers congradultions you have a new life now enjoy yourself
Your ex came from? What country he is?
Literally I have been speaking about this the last few years. Narcissists cause so much harm and get rewarded! All successful people I know are narcissistic. Society loves narcissists and society loves to shame and blame the victims of narcissistic abuse. If you grew up with a narcissistic mother or father or in my case both- your adult life is basically ruined. I have spent my whole adult life recovering from my childhood- and have had therapists who love telling me my parents love me etc etc. Narcissist do not love. They don't know how. They are severely mentally impaired. But sadly this world is FULL OF THEM.
NB. Many mental health professionals often don't want to look at narcissism because it hits too close to home!
I think you’re confusing Egotism with Narcissism. Bad concept. Successful people usually have Big Egos and don’t need to have individual victims.
Even joking with a narc and their behaviors will cause a huge outrage by them. Can't even joke!
But they can trigger with a joke towards you...
It's pathetic. No laughter unless they laugh at someone else.
@@feltandstone i just got a text from him with a picture of an ' ugly baby ' saying ' our son'... he said he wanted to make me giggle... but i think it"s rude... am i too serious?
Try saying the word ‘no’ to one and then observe the toddler style tantrums 😂
So true
Truth they do💯
Be careful it can escalate over the word no
Try giving them any boundary or refusing any demand for admiration they dump on you and watch what happens.
dont observe anything, just leave...aint nobody tryna watch those evil demons do their thing
"Very very socially perceptive....They can read the room beautifully...in a very self serving way... Tapping into their vulnerabilities... They realize where the pressure points are and they file them away, because they're going them against that person later." 🛎️🛎️🛎️
She saved my life. Knowing “I’m not crazy” I didn’t imagine this. There’s nothing wrong with me. Saved me. I’m not even angry. But I am in control. I feel safe inside my own mind again. I’ve been taking myself out for dates. I love myself and my life again. Yes the flip side of the coin is I must admit I was a victim which sucks almost as bad as being crazy. But I don’t have to live as a victim. Thank you Dr. Ramani.
That honestly makes me so happy. I'm so glad you've overcome this.
Awhh I'm so sorry. I hope your okay ❤
@@stephaniebastarache2361 don't be sorry! It's encouraging to hear from someone who has been through it and has a hopeful story to tell.
As Dr. Ramani says, we are survivors, thrivers❤
I was discarded 4 days ago and it has saved my life too. Iam just recovering from physical and emotional trauma that almost took my life away and he still had guts to call off our marriage on phone while I heal from what he caused,it was perplexing but I have relief and I do not want any attachments or talk after this I want to b done to keep my long gone peace. Iam already enjoying what I was missing.
After working under a narcissistic boss for 8 years, I was finally able to walk away from that job. The effects from the stress have been brutal; 🎉I truly believe that the stress led my body to allow cancer to grow. I'm "cured" of the cancer (it's been 6 years now). I am FINALLY feeling healed from the emotional trauma she caused in my life. Your books and podcasts have really helped me put it all into a more objective perspective so that I'm finally able to be kind to myself!
Thank you for putting yourself out into this crazy world.
They absolutely kill people this way - the stress they cause is completely toxic!
1:14:13 “You’ve seen something of human nature you wish you didn’t have to see”.
Oh how true! 😢
I wish I had found Dr. Ramani sooner. Would’ve prevented so much pain.
She changed the way i look at myself....i always thought it was my fault...was holding my marriage together, at the cost of my soul
I joined these podcasts two weeks ago and i was feeling that my narc was after my soul after going thru emotional and physical trauma for 4 months. He now has discarded me 4 days agoand I am relieved for now.All my post trauma symptoms r slowly leaving me.iam so amazed u have used the term " giving away yo soul". So painful.
I hear you man
😢 I remember 😔 ... it does get better as you keep healing 😊
I'm just afraid being a bit addicted to Dr Ramani's voice and her podcasts, as she's such a comforting energy, she's one of my favourite people in the world. Thank you for all that great work. New subscriber here!
Got 1 trying to reach me right now 12 midnight in VA got her blocked
Dr Ramani got me through following my departure from narc husband. Rest assured I only watched videos for a year then I finally found myself, my true self before the 27 year long marriage. I only watched this video because I watch Ranjan’s videos but kept watching this one with Dr Ramani to see how far I’ve come
Take what you need and leave the rest. You can always come back. 💞
It's like she is the light in a dark tunnel we follow her guidance her motivation to get out of the dark world with a narcissist. May God bless her always.
She gives such a vibes. I did not have anyone who understood what I was going through.
@@withloveandrespectalways absolutely- my 30 yr old daughter said recently to me “I don’t know how you got through it - no therapy ever - I still worry about you” I said “you have no idea the hours of you tube I did, if I was on my own and not sleeping I was on you tube”
Losing all hope was honestly liberating. Clinging to that just kept me hostage.
Wow, I'd not thought of it like that. That's actually a really good way to look at it✌
so true! 5 years of hope and illusions are over❤ im finally free)
I am 60, and grew up in a household of narcissists, and a bully sociopath. I saw from a very young age that there was something intrinsically wrong them individually, and how they related with each other. I removed them all from my life in fell swoop when I was 38. Never second guessed my decision, or regretted it for a second. I just had enough(!) of the toxic dysfunction! At the time there was no talk of narcissism, and I thought to myself "The toxicity of these types of people, and the mental/emotional damage they do(especially with the gaslighting) REALLY needs to be brought to light in the mainstream!" I am so glad it has in the last few years.
Oh god. That must have taken some courage to move away from all of them. Kudos to you!
33:30 👏👏👏👏👏👏 So true! Therapists who don't help their clients name toxicity in their lives and instead consistently try to get the client to change are doing them a huge disservice!!!
Keep spreading awareness! The more people understand narcissistic abuse, the less they’ll suffer.
ALMOST 6 YEARS NO CONTACT, MY KNOWLEDGE IS VERY POWERFUL AND IMPORTANT!!!! It keeps me in the know, i remember when i knew nothing about this disorder and now i have insight, knowledge and i keep learning every day. ❤
There’s zero point in counting 6 years of no contact lol dumbest thing ever. After 6 months you’re supposed to move on.
That knowledge is a superpower
And damn, I forget this is the perfect place to attract more narcissists 😂😂 It's hella ironic seeing them here no cap 🤣
Remember, to be able to drag you down they have to be beneath you 😂😂😉
Yes! Yes! Yes!
You are sooo right. Blaming yourself. I thought I was going to loose my mind trying to be a better me .... Until I realise its NOT ME!!!
It took me 22 years 😅 as I always say: better late than never, don’t feel bad about it! Specially towards yourself.
They feel happy making fun of others even in serious way , it is worst when family members are involved
Got so traumatised 7.5 years long with him I got misdiagnosed BPD. 5 years later diagnosed with crippling PTSD instead.
So many narc victims are accused of BPD because they are blamed for the difficulty of dealing with the narc and the lies and smear campaigns are believed by others, and finally the victim blows up. Drs and counsellors who know nothing about narcissists do so much damage to the victims.
True my mom ....
@@robinantonio8870 💯👏
I think most survivors deal with PTSD
@@robinantonio8870families almost always side with the narc and do further damage to their victims.
I was in a 21 yr rel/17 married and I didn’t fully see my ex was a narc until I had been living apart from him for 9 months. I came from a toxic family of narcs and though I struggled in both, it was painfully normal to be abused, physically, emotionally, blamed and gas lit. I’m so glad to have seen this and spent over a year now in twice weekly therapy to finally work my way out of this. 🎉 Never again will I be abused like this.
Dr. Ramani's videos were the sole source of support I had when I left my narcissistic friend. I'm forever grateful to her ❤
Being with my ex narc for the past 6 yrs. made me observe this very pattern. I think they wanted to feel very important in a way that is disturbing. Instead of building trust with their intimate partners, they destroy the trust that they built with you (in that case lying when they tried to put you in their pedestal). Once they have a committed partner, they can’t stand being loved authentically by one person. Instead they go on and prey on other women that is susceptible to their love bombing. My ex narc was a compulsive pursuer in a relationship. He would go back and forth to the women he were involved before or try to meet women in complicated situation so that going public isn’t an option while having you as their main supply. In the end they destroy the very person that loved them. They are like toddlers testing your love for them. Showing and telling them you love them isn’t enough, they will cheat on your face to make you feel inadequate even if you are more than they deserve. They want to test your love for them so they keep hurting you and when you have enough of their abuse, you leave. Then they tell you, ‘you never loved me because you abandon me’. Well in fact it’s their actions and narcissistic behavior that made you leave or in other cases they discard you and will give silly reasons of the discard. Mine would use, ‘she’s crazy’, ‘she’s a nega-star’, ‘she insults me’, ‘she cheated on me’ et al. So with this pattern of infidelities and emotional abuse (who knows what else) it’s better to walk away. I did walk away and is now rebuilding my life with our daughter. We are struggling financially because I’m not earning enough to provide for my daughter but now we get to laugh and bring with us sunshine every day. No lies, no abuse and no fake love. We only live once, forgive yourself and move forward but never forget the lesson that narc abuse taught you. That is to respect yourself to walk away from what’s hurting and destroying you. That you deserve a life of solitude, happiness and love. Hugs*** :) Additionally I got to know about my narc husband bad ways when I reach out to a private detective Metaspyhub@gmail. com for help he did a perfect work for me I can see everything he’s doing on his device.
God bless you!I had an ex like that and was my baby mama.
They always treat their immediate family like trash. Showing a caring persona to those on the outside. 8 years of this chaotic man. I have a lot of healing work to do. Grateful he’s gone. He will most assuredly do this to another as this is his pattern. Though he’s painted me as the toxic one his past relationships reflect the truth…
My husband is the best example of what you explained above.i left him.and then I thought of giving him a chance but he would not take me back now.good that he does not want to .he blames me for everything,insults me and assasinates my character as much as he can
Probably the most important work of our time - thank you Dr Ramami
Getting to know your true authentic, self and realizing your perfect in all your im perfections, it is a sometimes lonely journey , but trust the process ❤
What’s even worse is when the flying monkeys around them typically benefit, so they pretend they don’t see the abuse while also being their little enforcer.
I view flying monkeys as low IQ narcissists. They thrive by serving the narcissist and are motivated out of fear of the narcissist.
Aww look at you making people's lives better for them to benefit off giving you attention like a true star
I said that to my son - he said mom , maybe I’m a narcissist. I said - not a chance, when someone is that so sensitive and self reflective - you don’t make the profile. Just a sweetheart work in progress.
Yes. Patterns are everything.
True must observe patterns
True. Then when you point out a pattern(!) of theirs, they accuse you of "bringing up the past!" Narcissists are so absurd it is ridiculous.
I've experienced gaslighting, which really skewed my self perception until I learned what it was and learned to identify it in the moment...what an epiphany that was! It impacted my mental and physical wellbeing until I got perspective on gaslighting and how it undermines sense of self.
It is such a shock to one's system, I have been gaslight to many time's to count the first one just really made me realize who I am dealing with. It is such a betrayal all in itself
Yeo the loss of innocence , grieving your previous self … this is so true. People around me keep saying don’t worry over time u will be back to ur old self. No longer bother to tell them that that happy bubbly woman is gone. I am learning to be someone new, but it never ever ever will be the happy go lucky person I was. I saw the devil I can never un- know it
I hope you are managing ok.🤗
Thank you, Dr Ramani, for giving us survivors visibility, and a framework to finally understand the abuse we have suffered. For decades, I knew my relationship was unhealthy, but had no idea why. This information means I can now begin my healing journey, in earnest. I am deeply grateful for your being in the world!
My mother was a sociopathic narcissist & I married two sociopathic narcissists. I believe with my whole heart that they're just plain evil.
Spot On. The narc I was married to was most certainly evil. The eyes literally turned black when someone else was in pain. They enjoy it. It's plain sick.
Lady, you took a beating for sure, May the lord bless and heal you.
My father asd traits and authoritarian narc, my mother a vulnerable narc. Took a relationship with someone like her, heakth issues to see it! The relationship was worse but my mother's prolonged for decades. She has caused me so much harm and now thinks she is a victim because I'm too sick to do what she wants!
Thank you so much for making people aware of narcissism. They ruin people's lives, they ruin family relationships, it's horrible.
When we met he told everyone he got a good one this time. I wasn't sure what he meant then, but I do now and it wasn't a compliment.
That’s exactly what they sound like
Wow, that hit home. So true.
They are so freaking weird.
Exactly, it takes away an innocence even at an older age learning what the relationship actually was and how dishonest, cruel, deceitful, abusive the person is and will continue to be with any contact. The Injury is Permanent.
It's like a permanent psychological landmark. It changes your life and perspective.
Omg I felt so guilty setting my internal boundary, disengaging and not sharing with my mother from a very early age and I feel great now, it’s the only way to have my own life and to stop the gaslighting!! Thank you
U hav divine intellect from childhood..u got ur mom.....so healed and escaped 🎉
The Doctor's restraint in a therapy session with a narce is admirable. I will learn from this.
My ex partner was narcissistic. He wouldn't stop saying I was a nonsense person and what had I ever achieved. He gaslighted me , regularly then expected love.
Actually repeatedly expected me smiling at the door when he got home like a dog, but sometimes didn't come home after work but never would tell me he had plans. Thus gaslighting.
Same,… and my ex’s favorite fall back rebuttal was, “What book did you get that from’ offered with his twisted displeased smirk 🤨
Same here! Unbelievable! I demanded I get a divorce after 26 years and within months, I was granted that. I’m entering the 5 the year of found freedom.
It’s really hard to fake being attracted to someone who makes you feel like garbage
It's nuts how horrible they are....but still expect to be loved.
This is why I struggled to trust therapist's, especially psychologists and physiatrist, as many are narcissistic themselves. Very dangerous for someone who is already vulnerable!!
Agree. How curious that when a woman gets raped the three professions with high NPD, Doctors, Police and Lawyers are the only people we have to go to for help Even the spouses/parents of the victims add severe trauma to severe trauma.
Unfortunately, you need to add judges to that list! Fortunately where I live, you can change the judge, the therapist and a dodgy police officer if you recognise the signs.
My older brother tells me our mother didn’t ruin my life. He really thinks I had a choice. By the time I WAS old enough to have a choice, I was deeply enmeshed with her. I was the youngest and the only girl. They had the luxury of leaving so I was stuck with her. I knew something was wrong with her so I didn’t feel like I could leave her. If I did, she would have no one. I was damned if I did and damned if I didn’t.
You need to get away. The older they get the more evil they get (or maybe they just mask less).
Please cut out of all the narcs out of your life, find people who love you, support you and save yourself.
Never give up!
My narcisitic mother has live plan that her second youngest, the prettiest one, should become a nurse and will take care of her when she is old.
My sister life is steered by my mother, including her live choices. She was depend on mother for everything and create a prison in her mind, thinking that is her fate and she cant get out of it.
Here is the truth. She is capable, she has job as nurse and all resources to be independent, if she wanted. But, she is in prison of her mind and all the manipulation. See what resources you have or build your own, plan your exit.
You can’t win in the narcissistic family system.
@@roberth4395they do get more evil. Twenty years ago, my cousin was merely insulting. Ten years ago, behind my back so I could not defend myself, he conducted a months long campaign to convince an 88 year old widowed, childless aunt from the opposite side of the family to be disinherit me. He succeeded. ( You can destroy anyone's reputation if the other person has no chance to respond. )
I was nearly murdered at age 7, and have two severe disabilities as a result. My cousin knows this, of course, and that was part of the appeal for him.
He's scum, of course. I have two emails from him from eight years ago which show his true, monstrous self. He's a bigshot in his huge church, and I'm considering forwarding the emails to his church leadership. My pastor thinks I should do it.
I know they are manipulative and cruel.. But how do one fuck*g leave their family member alone as easily as everyone says as if it is a daily task... You can't leave a family member just easily. Better to completely block yourself emotionally in front of them and be with them for minimum periods of time.
I have seen Narcissist and psychopaths and sociopaths do quite well under stress. That's how they succeed and make a lot of money.
They Unload the Stress at home to Family and Spouse. It is behind closed doors. No one can imagine such a person doing this and people don't believe it, even when it reaches the level of assault, the police believe the calm controlled abuser who states they only grabbed a hand. While days later there are bruises over the entire Body. No one sees that. These people are DANGEROUS. DYSREGULATED Demonic.
I’ve noticed that as well, but they use their family as a punching bag
That's why my BF of 12 years said I'm not shit because I don't have my own 2 million dollars.
@@rischakmeador186and you're with this person still?
They love chaos.
The grief is devastating! 😢...
I believe in that research by Sapolsky, new male baboons joining the group were taught that violence/force (behavior expressed in alpha males) was not the way with them. And the new baboons adapted to the pre-established, more peaceful and mutually cooperative way of existing. I think there's a clip of him somewhere saying, "if the baboons can do it, what's our excuse?" or something along those lines.
Ya, this shit is real! I fell in love so quick w one. Married her after 7 months. Only married for 9. It’s been a year and a half of no contact, and its still enrages me how deceived i was. It’s not just something that just rolls off your shoulders and move on from. I still feel that subtle toxicity in me that the narc put on me, w all the gaslighting, still questioning if im a good person. But i know i am. Its just sad that it’s even still a thought. If you know, you know. I don’t wish this on anyone
You have a right to be angry.
@@BEazy234 as supply for a narcassist. The mental manipulation is sickening. You leave, they stalk, bad mouth you either them or one of their flying monkeys. You take time to get back to yourself, then you realize the lifelong change that this relationship made to you. Does every relationship somehow change you. Probably so. But when everything from your privacy to how you think about yourself is shattered . You become a different person. Learning how to make decisions and what to do or listen to is in my opinion pivitol. As we are stripped of our thought, life, empathy.
I am not going to stop working on removing the bad from my life. I am not perfect or in search of it. What my mission is , is to tell my story, turn everything into a positive part of me as much as is possible. I heard a podcast talking about shame, how shame will stop you from moving forward. I heard that forgivness to yourself is pivitol. I heard that empathy for yourself is self love. I dont require anyone to agree with what i say. I know the truth. That no one deserves to have their privacy, be manupulated, deceived and harmed. I love what dr. Ramani said, she wants to add tools to everyone toolbox so they can live a life .
My mother is a "Covert" Narcissist and I really did not understand this until the past 2 years. My father was very codependent with her. The whole family tip- toed around her and allowed her to control us. My mother was very cold and could not be nurturing, kind or loving. This was so harmful to me my entire life. Thank God for programs like AA, CODA and ACA, and of course my private counselor! Thank you for this informative you-tube video, I am not alone.
Great conversation, Dr Chatterjee, as always. You're the best.
Dr Ramani is so amazing, it's great for me to see her again.
What a woman.
She has been instrumental in my understanding what happened to me as the child of a covert narcissistic mother.
From personal experience, I can really measure and feel what she's been through herself and what she has been able to do with it.
Absolutely amazing.
She says it the best: "this is not easy work."
No, indeed.
I'd say for many of us, it's a miracle we've survived at all.
If you haven't lived it, you can't even fathom what it's like.
Absolutely a miracle. Surviving vicious cruel manipulative tyranny is lifelong labor.
💯
@bellelacroix5938 so true my dear, so true.
At 68 years old, imagine, I still struggle.
The trauma part is embedded in the unconscious mind and it is difficult to access it without a cPTSD specialized therapist.
But we're here, aren't we ! Dr Ramani's videos have helped me a great deal.
Wishing the best 🤗
I live in rural Australia, I loved this information and all Dr Ramani's UA-cam Videos.
She is brilliant!
I am in my mid 60's and I am very grateful to be learning about these personality styles (a bit late) at this time in my life.
So many people have touched my life over the years and I did not know why I felt "uncomfortable" and with the worst of them "physically and emotionally abused"
Childhood to mid 60's and ?? why I did not understand this pattern of behaviour????
Never too late, I have a lot to learn .......and I will never stop learning.
I have just bought your latest book and hope to always learn more.
Grandchildren are the ones that are now being affected and that is so very, very sad.
I feel powerless to help, and I am a helper..........
The fact that some narcissist's act really childlike doesn't help much either, it almost gives them a free pass to get away with a lot of their dysfunctional behaviors. We can feel like we have an unruly child on our hands instead of an equal partner which they should be.
So relatable
@@loveinthetimeofcorona8192 Yes and other people that don't know the narc think they are charming and fun, if only they knew.🙄
Omg he is so childlike. He invited his brother and his wife to our Valentine's dinner! Then he said he wasnt going to tell me but hes going to surprise me for my birthday and he invited them. He didnt even ask me. Who the fuck does this? I said he did it because he is childlike, but today i admitted to myself he is a narc. I have stories for days but you have heard or lived through them, because these people are all the same. I feel FREE admitting the truth and seeing it. He would say "i dont know whats wrong with me" well bitch i do!!
exactly
@@newmexiconurse3336 🕊🌻
I don't have a personality anymore, just trauma and loneliness. I cannot get through to people anymore. No matter how much reach, I'm always excluded. And if I stop reaching, I'm definatelly excluded and then I don't even have that pathetic reaching. Years of exclusion from humane interaction and years of loneliness have washed away my personality. I'm finally afraid to interact and socialize with people. There's no other choise but to adjust my goals of rest of my life accordingly. Otherwise I'll be stuck in futile attempts of reaching out and creating some connections. It's just scary that living in isolation and loneliness makes every mistake and every bad day worse, as that easily can start to spiral downward. So I don't afford having a bad day. I must hold it together every day at all times, so that I won't slip and fall. The other down side is that although world has many nice things to offer for those who have had the change to cultivate their character and social skills, who had the change of having personality, all the is unreachable to me and I just at it through a thick window. Life is happening, I witness it in other peoples lives from afar, but I'm left in this odd place. I think more and more people can relate these days. I have been left into this weird state already for decades.
You do have a personality, I can hear it, I can feel it. You have so much worth, we all do. Please rest, reset & reach out. Take a deep breath, see the beauty all around. Try to find a good therapist, it sure took me a while to find one. Dr Ramini has also been a blessing.
Please don't let others take away your inner beauty.
I know it's not easy, I struggle too. The trauma is overwhelming at times.
Wishing you find healing & you can live your best life. We all deserve it.
@@dianearena2516 thank you for your kind words. 🩷 I have a threapist, she's my only life line. My first therapist was a narcissist, who made many things worse.
exactly here with me. Iam detached from the world.
I feel for you. I can relate. It’s hard for sure but you can do life with robust and passion. I hope the best for you.
Set a plan, like an actual plan. With a set schedule and calendar cycle for the next 3 months. Dont set the plan and schedule for 3-6 months until your 3 months is about to end. The plan is a introductory to society and social networking. Gyms/classes/teams. And going out(anywhere any place tht has music and drinks) and dating apps. These are your 3 elements tht need to be added to this schedule. All the other time is to find a job that is with a larger company or a job tht puts you around tons of people (restaurants/hospitality/big offices full of people)
And when off work make plans to see family and friends you love
I love her, and she's so spot on with everything about narcissism. I've been so harmed mentally & physically by these people, but the mental abuse is worse. It never leaves your brain. Now I'm single for the past 7 years, and I'm keeping it that way. 💯
I think sometimes we try to convince ourselves by saying no one is perfect so we maintain the relationship but gradually we realize the toxic part of people which is not about being imperfect.
This is exactly how I deal with my narc…I accept the flaws & imperfections because I know I also have flaws & imperfections, even though my narc refuses to accept this fact in real terms. He can agree in theory but unable to agree in practice because he believes he’s superior over me. It’s a contradiction in that he talks the talk but doesn’t walk the walk. The need for power, control, & attention are his priorities over love, humility, & kindness.
The therapist I went to with my ex ganged up on me with him because I was completely unhinged and reactive during our sessions from the 3 years of ongoing abuse. He was a vulnerable so seemed like the nicest guy you could ever meet. She did so much damage to my wellbeing and recovery.
These people are very dangerous. Before I met him his wife had died homeless after a complete mental collapse and he spun it that he’d tried so hard to help her but the system had failed her. I have not one doubt that she wasn’t able to identify the abuse and he is directly responsible for her death. It’s tragic. These people are absolute monsters and I’m so grateful to Dr Ramani for helping me to identify them
Some therapist are bad. Therapist have been arrested for sexually assaulting patients at the department of veteran affairs in California. Some therapist aren't even listening to you if you show up to an afternoon session because they're already tired and don't like their job. There are signs you can look up about bad therapist on UA-cam videos. One of the signs is the therapist will try and control your language such as telling you to not use contraction in your speech.
@@rwdchannel2901thanks yes. It’s like any profession- most are mediocre at best and a few are excellent. I have had some horrible and some wonderful therapists over the years. During that particular time I was so unstable I wasn’t really able to assess quality because I was absolutely exhausted and in survival. We only worked with her a couple months but it was just gross how snowed she was by the narc when I was reporting abuse and screaming (literally) for help. My current therapist is excellent and we do therapy with horses which is awesome.
@@rwdchannel2901like Dr. Ramini demonizing all narcissists. She will help anyone with any condition but if you’re a narcissist you deserve zero compassion.
@@rwdchannel2901 True. My nex has a friend who is a therapist. She's a narcissist whose been married five times.
They can be physically dangerous too. My nex was. His ex wife never dated one man after divorcing him. He cured her just like he did me. I'm done with dating, relationships, etc.
0:08 why she’s passionate
1:14 what it is
9:16 moderate narcissist
11:19 13:48 what causes it
17:15 adaptive
25:02 the numbers
26:20 NPD
32:26 self blame
35:21 usage
39:46 trauma
42:50 understanding it
46:14 trauma bond
46:35 hoovering
48:09 supply
49:24 gaslighting
55:21 people stop fighting back
54:50 insecurity
56:36 love bombing
1:03:03 take our identity
1:05:47 when you recognize
1:06:17 radical acceptance
1:08:22 grief
1:10:51 individuation
1:14:08 grief for innocence
1:18:54 1:25:03 parents
1:25:56 getting in and stuck
1:31:37 finding your self
1:37:08 inner boundaries
1:39:10 if you’re a narc
1:41:48 knowing the truth
1:42:46 DEEP
1:43:08 don’t personalize
There are many different signs. These include spending time on phone that was not spent previously, withholding sex from you, withdrawing in communication with you, agitation or anger over Petty stuff or making up situations to get angry or agitated over, lying, being secretive in any way, randomly spending more time caring for and pampering oneself such as putting on makeup or wearing cologne or coloring hair etc. Any type of changed behavior that is not aimed at pleasing or benefiting your relationship. With all of that though, follow your gut. your gut is telling you that something isn't right and it's telling you that this could or is happening, therefore listen to it. Just Free yourself from all of it! Run and don't look back. Go 100% no contact. The mental and emotional abuse is not okay at all! Do not bring anything up to her. Don't try to rationalize or have a conversation about anything. Don't let her know that you know she's in narcissist. All of that can cause a narcissistic rage. If you have not yet witnessed one of those just trust me that you don't want to! A narcissistic rage is beyond any rage I have ever seen or witnessed in my entire life. I am an army combat veteran and served front lines for a year and afghanistan. I have abuse going back from as long as I can remember, the first time in my personal memory is 2 years old. With everything I have been involved in, and my rape, other sexual abuse, their physical abuse, etc in narcissistic rage is by far the worst! If you need to contact your local police department and start a new contact order. No one can protect you like you can! free yourself from it all and move forward in your life. The minute you run and go no contact is the minute your life begins again. If need be seek out professional help. Therapy is the best thing I did for myself. The best gift I gave to me! The abuse is so deep and overwhelming that having a professional guide you through the steps of the healing process is extremely beneficial! Just remember, there is great strength in asking for help. There is great lack and strength or no strength at all in putting on a mask and hiding behind the opinions of society and pretending that you are okay! As human beings we all witness A Time In our lives where we are not okay! Those that heal, move past, and move forward, and have a brighter future are those who ask for help and do the work that is needed through the help! I'm so sorry you are going through this and I wish you the very best! Good luck! Always remember that you are stronger than you believe you are, you are worthy and deserving of better and always, and you are enough just the way you are and who you are today! Take this time for you! Get yourself again. Fix that meal that you're all time favorite, rent that movie you've been wanting to see, have a guys night out with your best friends, remodel a room in your home, go purchase that item you've been wanting to for so long, just do for yourself! Self-acceptance, self-love, and being able to forgive yourself is far more important than what anyone else can give to you! Believe in who you are! You deserve nothing less than that! You're not alone! Feel free to tag me in any other questions that you have! I'll help if I can. Additionally you can hire a cyber expert to help you get remote access to their phone so you can track them and monitor all of their activities without them knowing. You may locate the top cyber specialists locally at Digitalinvestigate@gmail. com, where you can engage a well-trained professional to assist you..........
Making a career and business out of it 🤠
My partner of 13 years doesn't even ask how my sobriety is going or am I struggling after quitting a nasty meth addiction cold turkey, but explains how when she quits smoking (after years of my trying to help her) or losing 60lbs (after getting pissed any time I tried to motivate her) the fact I don't celebrate each step is dragging down her motivation.
....🤨
I quit addictive methamphetamines cold turkey and I never EVER get a shown interest in my struggle at all, but you take 5 years to quit smoking and you want a cookie?
pretty tough to handle, especially when I got gaslighted my entire life by my narcissistic never does anything wrong mother. who will treats me like I'm 12 instead of a 36 year old man.
I heard my whole life how I didn't do this and that happened because YOU said... now at my lowest point, my once wonderful fiance is a lying manipulative narcissistic child too.
I'm tired of burdening my life w their problems. I'm done... whenever she sees I have no issue not speaking w her, she always goes back to the girl I knew in the beginning.
Even jeapordizing our kittens health when I freak out when they clearly show sudden odd worrying behavior, it's always 'no seems normal to me, your just over eggaserating." All just to protect your issues. while I blame myself and cry uncontrollably because I blame myself for somehow, no clue at all how, harming my Lil adorable buddy. She said nothing and fucking kept up the charade just to save face?
How fucking sick and evil...
Cats clearly not well and is hyperventilating and scared and you tell me I'm fucking making the situation worse by freaking out? Convincing myself maybe I am crazy? I'll never EVER accept that.
I know why you're like this, but doesn't make it acceptable behavior. NEVER.
I'm done being used, I'm grown now. I plan on taking our two kittens and our dog (who she just took in, despite me saying I don't want the dog - now is severely clingy because she's just dismissed him to being an inconvenience and I care for mostly now anyway), I'm taking all 3 out this nightmare and giving them a life they deserve. not ignoring them all day then playing hero when they needed food and water so they clung to her and ran from me cos I lost my mind and would end up screaming in frustration wth her.
Fucking sick. I should've listened to my gut in the beginning when I didn't see her that way, she was like a sister. she hung on and played getting closer and closer to the point I thought I was stupid for ignoring her the whole time and proposed. 13 years is a long time to have your world yanked out from under you. then blamed for causing the issues.
there's no going back.
If you want to play games, play by yourself. 👋
I had my mother who was a helicopter parent then never showed any affection or understanding, I left and took control of my life.
I abused every single stimulant in my 20s and quit them all child turkey from my own desire to take back control.
Everything was perfect with us, because I handled it all myself.
There's is nothing, NOTHING that cut deeper more than when at my lowest point the one and only time I EVER asked her for real actual help, and it started this string of asinine excuses and always ALWAYS being told it's my fault. And my relapse being used as the ultimate dismission of any feeling I have. That is the worst feeling in the world... far worse than addiction to any drug, ptsd, childhood trauma.. nothing. the emotional damage is unforgivable. Especially when I did everything I could have to have a dialog and resolve issues like an adult before it became problems
Never again. 🛑
My older sister is typical NPD, has been emotionally, mentally, and vocally abusing everyone in our family, I kept telling my mom and my younger sister that she is psycho and stay away from her, but no one has believed me, instead they all say I am not treating her right! 😢
Sounds like you are the family scapegoat.
I am so sorry it's like that. Hold on tight to your sense of truth until you can get away. I know how hard that is.
Thank you Dr Ramani for raising awareness so passionately. These narcissists have normalised this awful harmful behaviour. Time is up.
I just listen to someone who tried to explain how to maintain a relationship with a narcissist. It made me sick to my stomach. If spending 60 years of my life suffering from these creeps wasn't enough now somebody wants me to go back and be the good guy and make it right? Not happening in my case! I am so finished with being smashed down by these monsters on a consistent basis forever and ever in my life. I deserve and want better for myself and for anybody around me now. I don't give anybody who wants to put me down and abuse me an extra minute of my time anymore. I'm out. I'm gone. And I'm in a better place
Damn Right!
My sisters are narcissists, i told my sister i don't trust you and you dont have my back, i feel she is always pulling me down, no answer, another day she was angry and yelled at me rather than trying to explain, then i was the bad guy, she put it back on me, then i had to explain to her i just want to have a better relationship with you, no answer, i think she does not give a damn about me, she just wants to manipulate me and lord it over me, telling me what to do, never ever says sorry, i am thinking about cutting her off as i don't like being abused and put down, she is shallow, and stupid, theres not much introspection just manipulation!
Dump her.
Go no contact; you don’t need that treatment. 😮
I got out of a relationship 8 years ago that was exactly like this , every single aspect was there.. Im super happy i got away, and it has been now 8 years of being single,.,. :) Need to fully get back out there, but it really has affected me and it was a while ago now. It did change me as a person, im much more self reliant, careful, and single, its amazing how accurate the description is, This is the fist conversation that has explained it so i feel like i understand what happend, So Huge thankyou,.,.,. X
God bless your courage and commitment to yourself.
DEEP Don't go deep Don't engage Don't explain Don't personalise. This is amazing advice thanks Dr Ramani.
dont defend for D
Dr. Ramani is doing so much good. And I completely agree with her, mental health and families aren't recognizing this, "thats just how they are." And people that have been affected by these relationships have been woefully undertreated. Finally someone is recognizing narcissism and the harm it can cause. Don't excuse it. Its very serious. So glad we have the Narcissism Knowledge Queen, Dr. Ramani.
When the doc talks about the holes left in her after her abusive relationship I totally get it; there’s part of her thats embedded in me and I'll never entirely get rid of. And yes, this relationship did change me permanently but I learned so much about myself and my genuine worth. In a way I'm grateful for having had to navigate this pain. I'm better for it.
I'm also an Introvert and easily drained when around alot of people. Its important not to fight who you are.
I can relate to everything you said 💯
I've had to deal with a group of them in my own family and an ex husband. They all made it their purpose to hurt me extensively only because I was there. The best line of defense is to not be in their reach - no matter who they are. Get away and save your life ..
Thank you. Well stated. 💗
Narcissism has always been around. Read the Bible where they talk about the devil. It’s not that red guy with the horns. It’s you mother, your father, your neighbor, your spouse, your boss, etc. Remember one of the first stories in that holy book: Cain who was envious (tell tale sign of narcissism) killed his brother Abel even though God had reached out to him several times.
Jesus called them the children of hell.
Narcs are basically evil and demons.
I would like Dr Ramani to get the biggest medal EVER, I love her, helping people, she is wonderful!
People who need narcissistic behavior are the worst for themselves, because they are to afraid or didn't learn to be authentic and to connect with other people (and themselves) in a honest, dignified, respectful and loving way. They are isolated within themselves and probably the most anxious, lonely and unhappy people because of this inabilities. That's why they need to use control, manipulation and force.
Mic drop
I've let narcissists, both familial and relational, destroy my life. Now I live alone in a fairly remote area, I don't leave my house except for necessary errands and appointments, I don't trust anyone except my kids and a couple old friends. I'm just marking time until it's all over.
This is also how I feel and what I’m doing presently. I don’t feel like myself anymore. And I miss me. I miss my energy and my joy.
I now have the lifestyle you're talking about and I live quite remote as well but I still have a lot of dreams and passions to aim for. I know that narcissists have done a lot of damage by limiting my choices and then punishing me when those choices didn't work out but I am resilient and capable. I know my worth including what I have survived. I hope you find your light enough to take some risks again.
I hope you have the courage to dream again.
Haha- the nex never once made a promise to do anything different because he was never the problem. He never said sorry, never took accountability for a single thing and made every single situation worse by just being himself.
Long-time Dr Ramani fan - great interview. I always LOVE Dr R's impromptu impressions of the narcissistic people she's using as an example. They're downright cute, the contrast between the impressions and her normal manner! I love her so much
I thought it was going to take a couple months to heal from a narcissis. I have learned that it takee longer now. Depending on how much and how long you was damaged by an narcissis. It may take years or a life time to heal. I have learned that I had to leave a narcissis to heal my heart and soul. Almost broke me. I'm so happy that I saw and realized it . I free myself. I ended it and left for good. Now through healing I am a empathy. I have been dealing with narcissis all my life. Number one person was my mom who is an narcissis. I have learned that I attract narcissis. I have also have dated many narcissis and have friends who are narcissis too. Now that I have accepted it, see it, realized it, and healing. I will do myself best for the rest of my life to never put myself through it again. I got this!
Dr. Ramani gets sharper every time I listen to her. She's saving my life right now. I've been able to listen to this with pleasure... it helps me in more ways than I can enumerate. P.S. I literally lost my mind, but now I'm getting it back after years of useless therapy for depression.
I was going to therapy right after i split from a 24+ relationship with a narcissist. I was really annoyed by the therapist because it felt like she was gaslighting me. I went for around 3 months but every time I left, i felt worse than when i went in. So, i dropped her as my therapist. I am wicked nervous about getting another therapist because I need someone who knows about and can help treat narcissistic abuse and trauma bonding.
Ive been out of the relationship for over year and a half.... and i am struggling to begin my new life.
Ive been listening to Dr. Ramani for a year and a half now. I appreciate having the language to describe wtf i went through for 1/2 my life. Now....i just need a decent therapist that wont gaslight me.
A positive support group worked for me. I was lucky enough to come across a few decent therapists, many bad ones out there. I am learning to listen to and trust myself now, I’m 53 and it’s taken this long! Thank you to Dr Ramani, her work is helping so many of us 💕✨🙏🤩
Listen to Sam VAKNIN. It will help you get a deeper understanding. Your narc is a broken person a small child. Forgive and move on. Congratulations on your freedom
OMG!! She is the best and I’m so greatful for meeting her messages 🙏🏼 So assertive!!! So true when she describes my experience I feel I’m not alone anymore. No one understands what I go through. It so easy to say kick him out of your life. But she knows it’s also not possible at times. I need support to overcome day to day crisis while never letting my guard down. Love bombing, hoovering and many other strategies that now I have identified, can no longer be used to manipulate me.
My life changed and it never will go back to being confident and madly in love with this one or anyone else in the world. I really believe I began to see our life without the filters my narcissist imposed.
Ramani, I love you so much 💖
Thank you thank you thank you for sharing so much with me.
My life returned to being wonderful again because I met your UA-cam videos and your books.
I just started watching the video and must say I'm happy to see this collaboration! I'm a daughter of a narcissist mother. I moved to a different continent to have peace of mind.
I have a covert narcissist mother. Since I was young she expected me to be there for her every need, but wasn't there for me. I'm now in my 40s and nothing has changed. I realized that I have to break free. I have been considering moving to a different continent to have peace of mind as well. Do you have any advice on that?
Mines a narc too. Still trying to get away from her.
After dealing with an abuser and painfully healing, I wish I can give every victim a tight hug.
I hope nobody goes through this pain.
I never thought someone would do this.
To learn, learn, LEARN about narcissism: super, SUPER important. ❤
You can still love on people while having personal boundaries. Boundaries are a powerful teaching tool to help others grow. Wonderful video!
Obviously....silence power ..and when to talk ....when not to talk....
At 51 mins. Dr Ram explained the one thing which I have drove myself crazy about over 7 years. I almost broke down here. This exact thing happened with me. For years she would tell me that she never said or did things, and I felt like i was the one going mental. Years ago i started saving screenshots from messages and making journal entries about the things she said and did. Recently, I raised these things and she would tell me she never said or did these things. I showed her evidence and she then said the exact thing Dr Ram said here. I spent weeks running this over in my head feeling like a terrible person for saving a message or screenshot. Thank you so much 🙏🏽
Aw bless you, I know that shit is hard. You’re doing the right thing. Learn to trust yourself again. 💛💛
@@Ashlee-hh6di thank you for the comment. It is so so hard, but I hope one day I can get there with my healing. It’s hard. I’ve given into everything she wanted and i’m left with hardly any friends as all of the friendships were ruined. Don’t feel like visiting my family. Take on both kids routine every day. With all the facts, its still just so hard. Appreciate you.
Oh yes! Trusting oneself can be a daunting, seemingly difficulty, task. I’m in the process of learning to trust myself as apparently my parents (maybe just dad, I don’t remember much from childhood) exhibited this behavior. Based on how I feel about myself and my actions, it would seem I’m a survivor of this type of abuse. Hard to wrap my mind around honestly…
@@Ashlee-hh6di i really feel for you and hope you do make it through everything 🙏🏽 I had a very long conversation with her today. I spent years moulding myself to her requirements, many times she wouldn’t ask me to change directly. Instead proceed to talk about how i am not enough in various ways, in front of my loved ones and friends. When i changed in all the ways she asked and indirectly asked, I ask her today… what about the things I asked for you to change? support with our family, finances, household chores, childcare responsibilities? All seem to have been forgotten somehow. She often asks me “have i not improved at all?”, my response today was simply “no”. Very hard as we have been married 7 years and twice i have had promotions and felt terrible about sharing the news to her. In the past she’s said things such as “oh its OK for some people, congrats” 😳 really difficult to stay, but something inside is clingling on to hope 😞
Same! I recorded an emotionally abusive rage that became physical and was constantly reminded how untrustworthy I was for recording him… 😒🤨