The Raid - Directing Perfect Action
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Support the channel: / rossp . Click CC (English) for names of films. Are The Raid and The Raid 2 perfect action films? Can you even have perfect action films? Is there such a thing as the perfect way to shoot action? Lets find out. - Фільми й анімація
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Rule One: Don't shake the gawdamn camera
Step Two: Don't cut every .5 seconds
Step Three: Repeat
Rule 4: choreograph according to your actors ability & strengths.
Step five: pay some real expert to make a good choreography, or at least to give some advises and suggestions
Step 0 Dont write a 0815 movie with the world is at stage, we have mr. x, he is a super agent with training in every shit ...
Even without the shaky camera this movie was boring because the fight scenes don't mean anything if you don't care about the characters. And the characters in this movie are just cardboards.
the borne series kinda created this shaking cam/ quick cut style, but they made it work and actually put effort into it and used it to enhance the action. Most action movies now took that and use it as a crutch to mask bad choreography or fight sequences that wouldn't work otherwise.
The Raid 1 & 2 ruined mainstream movie fights for me lol, no matter how "Good' they may look they always look so slow and unskilled compared to this masterpiece
@@Grimr33fer I think you misunderstood his comment. He said The Raid is SO GOOD that it ruins other action movies for him. Learn to read properly first before insulting people.
@@Grimr33fer dude are you high?
LOL I AGREEEEEE
So basically what your saying is, "I didn't watch the video"
@@MrPoopenFarten ADUUUUUUUUUR ADUUUUR
When i saw Raid 1 in the cinema after the fight with Mad Dog, after he is finally goes down, everyone started clapping. That is the effect of a good fight scene.
Did everyone in the theater cry when the Sergeant was killed?
xD
@@georgeatallah1128 I would cry if I was there
I've got to admit, I was waiting for Mad Dog to get back up... he was a terrifying force of nature that not even half a fluro light tube jabbed into his jugular could stop him.
Gotta admit if they picked up their rifles like all trained cops or swat operators do than they would have done the job way faster. But it's an action movie and of course they have to engage in hand to hand combat
@@goodluck2119 In-universe, everyone ran out of ammo a long time ago.
The Raid I
Rama has to survive against hordes of men vying to kill him.
The Raid II
Hordes of men have to survive Rama coming to kill them.
HAH!!! GOTEEM!!
Ahhhhhhhhh!!!!😅😅😅
HA! Exactly. Why had I never thought of this before? xD
Very accurate xD
Lmao that's exactly what happened hahahaha
I think there is one clear principle for action, there must be clarity.
THIS. No matter what style it is, as long as it CLEAR what is going on, it's better than 99% of the action that is out there today.
Chaos4190 yes yes yes!!!!! that's the reason why I CANT watch most action films nowadays because of clarity.... you don't SEE ANYTHING it's just stuff happening
For years I could not understand why I didn't care for the Columbiana movie... Its so clear now: The fight scenes were incoherent.
weeeeeeeelllllll, sometimes chaos and confusion can be good things in an action scene, but not to the point where you have no clue what is happening.
Bryan Chu Bourne Supremacy
I remember a friend who watched The Raid and suggested me to take a look.i was blown away.The Raid single handled reinvented the entire action genre and put Indonesia on the map.Kudos to Gareth Evans,Iko Uwais,Yayan Ruhian,Joe Taslim,among others.
the raid series is one of the best and most underrated movie out there. So lucky i've found this gem
Locker Coin I don't think it's underrated, in fact, I've never heard/read comments that said they were not good! They are definitely underSEEN, but people who've seen them recognize their greatness for sure! Personally, I consider the Raid 2 to be the best action movie I've ever watched
Locker Coin more like overlooked
watch headshot next. Indonesian movie, same main actor ust different director. Got kung fu vs silat too.
Underrated...really?
The Fuck. That movie is talked about and loved everywhere. I don't know a single person that hasn't seen it.
Raid 2 had bad choreography. Raid 1 was good, but raid 2 was bad. Very overrated.
just found out that the directer of The Raid is going to be directing a DeathStroke film. Perfect choice in my opinion
R rated or bust.
CAN"T FUCKING WAIT!!! :D
Holy fucking shit if that movie comes out R rated then I am hyped.
It probably won't happen, DC just announce movies left right and centre but ever go through with them
im still praying every day that this actually happens but DC is so shit at producing their movies and making them happen that ive almost lost hope.
The Raid .. a movie that changes all action movie to a better way ..
The angle, the color tone, the clarity, the brutality and more
Re:born is much better, just saying.
Lucky Wize Except John Wick.
@Cyberdemon Mike Are there exists another foreign action movie that so good, it's main actors instantly got an offers from Hollywood? Not even taiwan/mainland action films managed to do that.
@Cyberdemon Mike nah dude. They're cool af. Watched it about 3 years ago and still remember every motherfucker. Rama and Koso are B.E.A.S.T.S.
@Cyberdemon Mike The point of the raid was to make a forgettable character and solely focus on the action. It's like saying Mad Max had too many chases scenes in it, that's the whole point of the movie.
Can you imagine a Batman movie, centered around detective work and fighting directed by The Raid's director? None of that personal drama love interest bullcrap. Just Batman saving the city from villains.
That would be amazing. Hell, I would love to see Gareth Evans direct a western or a Tron sequel too.
Gareth isn't the fight director, Yayan Ruhian is the fight director for The Raid, he is also the actor in the film too (the guy with long curly hair that looks like a badass hobo)
I think you mean fight choreographer. Director works with the cameras, and fights can be amazing but if you make frequent cuts it's gonna look shitty. I want him to be the director so there won't be any shitty Hollywood cuts on the fight. They can look visceral and brutal.
yeah fuck personal drama! haha i mean who even needs character depth? characters with personalities are for pussies!
Haha yeah, let's have another movie where Batman struggles with his parents' death and a kidnapped love interest! That's not tired at all!
Everytime I see The Raid 2, I visualize it as a video game movie done right.
The raid is is actually Sleeping Dogs: Live Action
Mortal kombat movie
@@07886336 The fight in the game is ridiculous.
Hard Boiled is that to me. I mean it inspired a number of pretty damn good games like Max Payne and FEAR.
Shit, you just translated a feeling I had
I've been a Silat fighter for decades, & it's great seeing a less popularized martial art get the spotlight.
Are you American?
@@ayusaleha4452there are pencak silat in America
Take it from someone who's seen just about every martial arts movie there is..... The Raid and The Raid 2 are without a doubt the best martial arts movies ever made. I can not imagine the amount of time and effort it took to choreograph these fights as well as time them so perfectly. Please dont miss these underrated martial arts gems!!!
Because they cast master pencak silat
@@polonium7544 nah, there are thousands silat movies from indonesia and malaysia but non are considered good, it's just how good Gareth Evan was as a director tbh
@@satuliebe4842 let's just go with it's combination of both. Mastery in their respective fields, the martial arts and filmmaking as well. It was great people in a great timing kinda situation. Something that would really rare to happen but when it does, there you got the masterpiece.
what u think of the undisputed series esp part 2 and 3, I think it has the best in ring fight scenes - the grappling for which
I mean 80-90's hong kong films still holds up to this day.
The three characters from the principal cast of the The Raid films had a cameo in Star Wars: The Force Awakens. Sadly, they didn't get to showcase their fighting skills in the film. If I remember correctly, they got killed by that creature in the ship after they confronted Han Solo.
well at least Joe Taslim(sersan jaka 1st raid) casted in star trek beyond (as manas) and fast 6 (as one of the bad guy)
That part, to me, emphasizes the majority of my problems with the Sequels in one sentence: "Hey, we have a really good setup with potentially awesome pay-off...
Let's not use it. That'll be totally unexpected."
And how do you put Donnie Yen in Star Wars and NOT make him fight Darth Vader? wasted talent
because he'd get his ass kicked lol
Bruce Leeds nah how do you not make him a Jedi knight? Like one who valued seclusion and meditation? That would explain why he would not be around the other Jedi knights. Give that man a goddamn lightsaber! Star wars has so much aces in the sleeves but nah let's make a movie about fucking Han, Leia, remake a new hope, la di da di fucking da
To be precise , The raid series is not action films, it’s survival horror
The first one is 2nd not really
The car chase sequence in Raid 2 is the best car chase scene I have ever seen. The flow of the camera and action was pure magic! It immersed me in the action so much that I had to remind myself that it was just a movie. I love how Gareth uses action to emphasize the stakes..that is what makes an action film great.
Except the fact that its an auto 🤣
Gareth almost direct death stroke movie
It's how I felt about ong-bak and even matrix 1 to some degree
The Raid 2 kitchen fight, is that the greatest fight scene ever?
DEBBO8080 it's one of my faves but I'd say crows zero and crows zero 2 and merentau all have some kickass final fight scenes. Theyre all good movies tbh
In my opinion, it sucked. They took way too many hits, and even knife slashes, and kept going like it was nothing. That took me out of the movie; no one can take that many blows (even fatal ones, like neck strikes), and still keep on fighting, let alone walking.
@@Gojira98 what?! this is movie, dude... not science.
if you are too serious using your brain on movies, then you dont deserve movies at all
@@Gojira98 you would be surprised how much damage you can take when youre full of adrenaline
@@Gojira98 Suspension of disbelief --- The term suspension of disbelief or willing suspension of disbelief has been defined as a willingness to suspend one's critical faculties and believe something surreal; sacrifice of realism and logic for the sake of enjoyment. (copied from Wikipedia)
Really glad to see the Raid getting the recognition it deserves.
how to shoot a perfect action scene
-show the motion and connection of the strike to the body within the shot, and don't cut during the the impact or have multiple cuts during the motion of the strike.
HoneyReno agreee
Unless it's Jackie Chan's style of zooming into the point of impact as a way to "replay" that hit. In that case, that's a cool technique to let the audience feel the impact again/ have time to react to the impact
I thought the action in Logan was great. Felt gritty, grounded and I liked the fact that there was always the threat of Logan getting seriously injured with each fight.
somanytakennames he does get his ass beat in that movie. In the other X-Men films I never felt any consequence. Logan had real _consequence_. Which builds tension.
This is one of the main reasons I loved Logan, and will be going into this once I get it on blu.
That said, that shot during the forest fight just after he takes the serum which follows him as he carves through like 7 dudes in 10 seconds was awesome. I'd be lying if I said I didn't say; "That was fucking awesome" to myself afterwards.
+Stolen ... I think you meant boredom. It's literally a guy slashing drunkenly at things while cg blood occasionally flies at the camera. Just a shitty movie all around.
I agree that one of the most important elements of Logan was its use of action to convey his age and vulnerability. He feels genuinely feeble at times. They also smartly contrast his current state to his younger self in two different ways, one of which is rather poignant. Unfortunately, my biggest problem with the movie is that the antagonists are really uninteresting and overly familiar, so it's not all ideal.
I watched both Raid movies this week based on this video. Thank you
The Raid blew my mind when i discovered it ... probably my favourite action piece
What i love about the raid fight scenes is that it has the balance between how quick the movement is and how hard hitting and rewarding of each hit felt.
Both Raid movies are everything I love about action movies. Brutal with emotion. Sadly not many movies can pull it off. But both Raid movies did it to Perfection.
Recently watched The Night Comes For Us on Netflix. Fukin brutal.
Love the brutality and joe taslim does an amazing job protraying the protagonist. But there is something i dont like about the night comes for us..
@@Shaolinh808 hmm and that thing is?
No, really I'm curious, because Indonesian films are far from perfect, so it's interesting to see
I don't remember how I heard about Raid but I'm glad I did. It upsets me though because I haven't seen anyone talking about it. Ever. movies like these should be talked about. all the time.
I disagree, I have the feeling that Raid is a classic since years, at least in Europe...
Sadly neither Raid movie did overly well at the box offices. Dumb public cares more for these endless CGi superhero "action" movies instead. Smh!!!
I saw it opening night since i got lucky and saw a tv spot during Adult Swim a few days before it released in theaters.
Fact: They promoted the Mike Shinoda score in the tv spot for American audiences.
I absolutely LOVE the Raid films, and can't fucking wait for the 3rd one. I also love how the camera constantly moves with and follows the characters movements and their positions in the environment.
The hits in The Raid 1 changed my life. I swear they were actually getting beat/stabbed to death. By far my fave action movies.
I love how the first Raid is straight up survival horror movie with martial arts in it. Gritty, visceral and absolutely brutal.
What's perfect in that fight at the end of The Raid Berenthal is that it *is* edited but in a way that actually *helps* the frenetic pace of the combat without actually detracting from the fight itself.
The editing is done with the same technique as the fighting, the same ability, the same skill. It's martial arts in film in every way.
I saw your comment on my Iko Uwais video. The timing of our uploads is pretty coincidental. Unfortunately I'll have to reupload because after 5 hours it was suddenly blocked in the US. But in terms of fight choreography in action movies even non-martial arts based action films it seems like Southeast Asian martial arts has become especially popular in the last two decades. Whether it be Muay Thai/Muay Boran in Tony Jaa's films, Silat in Garett Evans' movies, or Filipino Martial Arts in Hollywood (regardless of shaky cam and quick cuts) the quick efficient, brutal, and realistic style of that region's martial arts has really caught on.
I think the trend of next decade would be something more direct, practical, and applicable to any situation. Like boxing, wrestling, or even just plain gunfight. The focus would be less on exotic value, but more on realism.
5:05 Is a point I feel is exemplified again in The Raid during the laboratory fight scene, specifically the action surrounding Lt. Wahyu. Considering the difference in age and body type between him and Dagu and Rama, he fights almost in the way you describe a Jackie Chan fight - whilst his central technique is very boxer/brawler, compensating for a lack of speed and technical skill with raw strength, he also utilises the environment heavily whilst fighting, throwing tables, tipping shelves and filing cabinets, and swinging chairs to tip the balance of the fight in his favour despite him having demonstrably less skill and agility than the characters we've followed for the majority of the film, but it still works because the camera follows the weight of the blows and lets the audience feel these great big wind ups followed by the knockout blow.
I like to think that he's used to be as good or better than rama and wagu but he's old now so he cant fight like he used to
Just want to point out that "action scene" is a general term. This video mostly shows fight scenes. But as Hard Boiled, Fury Road, and Rurouni Kenshin (live action) have shown us; great action choreography doesn't always have to involve hand-to-hand combat.
the choreographers and cameramen of the raid movies should handle every hollywood martial arts fight scenes
A good watch and listen for all fans of fight scenes! Listen loud Hollywood..We don't want fight scenes that are chopped up and edited at the end! Give us more real fight scenes that are taken in less shots. Like The Raid movies!
The Raind 1 e 2 they are perfection
.Thanks Gareth Evans.
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This director Gareth Evans is from Wales. So a fellow countryman to me. He did gangs of London which is an amazing series. If u like Gareth Evans style of hyper violence youl like his gangs of London series. He's doing an action film called HAVOC WHICH TOM HARDY IS starring in. He's such a good director. The raid 1 and 2 are classic films. Yh Evans is one of my favorite directors. And him being Welsh is a plus coz I'm Welsh aswell. Love to see a fellow countryman do well in the film world. ✌️
He also did one segment from VHS 2. Which just happens to be the best segment of the entire franchise lol
Looks like the raid is setting a new standard in action movies
The thing that makes an action scene truly great to me is when all the enemy characters have purpose. Instead of just flailing their arms around in the background waiting for their chance to get their ass kicked. They actually fight and work together to take down the protagonist. Not only does it make them appear more formidable and threatening, but it makes the main character appear more human and more badass in his/her ability to take down the enemy horde.
Bonus point for the Raid is that unlike other action films the characters get fatigued and injured from the blows. Movements slow down after awhile and movements shorten. Some action films the character is an Energizer bunny made of Steel, cant be hurt and just keep going full speed
The raid and the night comes for us, the 2 best action films ive ever seen, Iko Uwais is a madman
Iron Fist take note.
Clearly Iron Fist is the weakest of all Netflix Marvel series. Hopefully The Defenders will come out great.
Jet Li's Fist of Legend was excellent. Liked Iron Fist overall, but left disappointed with the fight scenes. Editing was a factor for sure.
Iron fist actually has some very good fighting, it's more elegant than Daredevil, but still terrific. Shot for shit though.
Cinematography is as important as choreography.
So much over editing. Some fans still liked it, but I'll call their taste, "basic"
Iron Fist fight scenes are Terrible NEVER compare them to Daredevil
When I first heard that a white guy is going to direct a silat-inspired movie, my first reaction was "Well, sh*t."
Why? This is not the first time that I've seen silat on movies. Silat has had been portrayed in movies from Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei and to some extent, even Thailand and the Philippines too. It's great that the Nusantara countries have great respect for their native martial arts, but sadly most of the movies are kinda ... meh. Too much focus on magic and drama and choreographies badly dented their appeal, which is why there are hardly any worthy silat movies since the 80's.. until The Raid.
I'd say that the Raid's director didn't cut corner when it come to portraying the actual essence of silat. To me silat is practically an assassination arts that developed through centuries of actual combat situations, and I'm not saying it just because my silat teacher used to say he'll kill me if I screw up a spar again. Sure, it all looks dance-y and slow-mo when choreographed and unarmed, but put a keris or kerambit in one hand and the perspective will change a lot.
I am kinda thankful that the martial art is given its due respect in the movies. Silat is after all, one of the few symbols that binds the disparate Nusantara nations together, despite their constant bickering and tussles.
well said..
im agree..
Wesley Snipes uses silat in Blade 2. I think the movie you are reffering to is called THE GATE its on UA-cam and it's pretty good
What's his skin colour have to do with it?
Brace Land it has NOTHING to do with it, It doesn't matter how effective a martial art is in real life, If it doesn't look good on cam it wont considered for film. None of the action in Bruce Lee's movies reflect his philosophy of Martial Arts in real life, It's entertainment
@@tastycookiechip Probably because it's pretty fair to assume that a forty years old dude from Wales probably doesn't know much about a martial art which originates from Indonesia?
the oldboy scene was just so perfect
just finished both Raid Movies. amazing
What i liked so much about The Raid was, that it really hurts to watch. The hits feel so real and brutal that i had to flinch.
Best of the best of all time.
Not because I'm Indonesian, just take a look them again:
1. The protagonist is not untouchable, he is getting hurt and bleeding, feels tired, and we see deep emotion in his face in response to the situation.
2. Speed fights
3. Complexity of the fights
4. When they come together in fight, no one stay in their place
Best of The Best
If you enjoy things like the Raid, I'd also like to recommend a Korean film called The Man from Nowhere. Very good action drama with incredible emotionally charged fight sequences.
Agree with this. Very clean cinematography and a good story.
Imma try it, thanks
It was a good movie. I think "The committment" is the best action thriller to come out of south Korea. Great film with a better and more unique storyline than The man from nowhere
The Man from Nowhere.
Story 85%
Fight scenes 15%
The raid.
Story 15%
Fight scenes 85%
South korean cinema has produced some of best Knife fight movies, They are great, Love from Pakistan🇵🇰❤️
Now I want to watch The Raid again
Man, I love your channel and your view of cinema. I would like to add spanish subtitles to use it in some cinema and fliming workshops Im giving to highschool students. I hope you give your permission. Keep the good work.
Of course, that would be awesome!
But what about the Bourne Series!
DINOSAWR doesn't hold up. too many edits, too many close up shots
Goblin Identity was a well shot but not exceptional fight scene, Supremacy was nauseating and Ultimatum was a nice fight but by then you realise "Actually Bourne doesn't have many fight scenes"
@ignacio Ruiz, si precisas ayuda con la traduccion avisame!
I can't get enough of your videos, they're like a great meal. The Raid series are some of my favourite films of all time. They're a masterclass in action. I often watch the setpieces to reignite inspiration.
When I saw a new video uploaded about the amazingly filmed action in the Raid - instant thumbs up!!!!
Raid 2 is the goat action film!
Raid 1 > raid 2
@@burningknuckle26 Agree
I like how The Raid doesn’t tread the lead as some kind of god. Towards the end you can clearly see it’s taking its toll on him...
'The Raid' is near the pinnacle of action films, it both its pace and its execution. Great video, great examples, keep it up!
@rossatron gotta agree with you here. the raids action is to me the definition of how to direct fast paced scenes while fully establishing where everything is located. and as a result it looks great.
The raid was amazing. Loved every second of it. The fight scenes were brutal
Finally watched both the films and they are now easily some of my favourite films of all time. The way the film is edited, the action is choregraphed combined with the amazing camera work it all just compliments each other so perfectly that it makes your jaw drop that how they pulled it off so amazingly? Just brilliant!
OUTSTANDING. You managed to pull together some of the greatest action ever in mere minutes. Much appreciated. Keep up the great work!
The Raid movies are my favourite action movies hands down
So this is where the game Sifu hall way fight comes from 00:18 😱😆
as an Indonesian I just want to say..thank you Gareth Evans and the team for all your hard work..Big Respect 4 U all.....🔥🇮🇩🔥
Great video essay, man! Your tempo was solid, your understanding of the media both for the essay itself and cinema and storytelling were great, nicely done!
I was lucky enough to see both Raid movies in theaters during their opening weekends here in the United States. I consider both films to be virtually flawless action films. There isn't a single bad or underwhelming action sequence in either, they're everything I could ever want out of the genre.
Also, nearly everything you put out is music to my ears. Keep up the good work.
Agreed! I also saw both Raid films in theaters. I actually stayed in NYC over a weekend just to see The Raid 2. It was worth it. :)
I just stumbled onto your channel with this video. Great video and now you have a new subscriber. Many times you see big you tubers who don't deserve their following. Very few that you see a pure gold youtuber who deserves more credit in which credit is due. You my friend deserve all the credit you get and more. Keep on making great videos like this.
Very kind sir
Great analysis. Thank you for making this great piece of video!
Brawl in Cellblock 99 is another great example of slow, chunky, and satisfying fight scenes
I asking you how big impact of THE RAID (2011) in Hollywood action movies now?. The Raid is COVID for movies industries. Even batman doing fight scenes just like Rama. 😂
Glad i discovered this. It's like every frame a painting channel, but about action movies.
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You have perfectly summarized what action scenes should be. I agree with every single word you said! Glad I found your channel.
Another great and informative video from you again Rossatron, we appreciate the good content.
The raid 1 & 2 are the best martial arts movies ever made.
Ong bak 1 and legend of drunken master are up there too but nobody has anything on the raid movies.
God tier 🙌
Ong Bak didn't have the marketing, so it wasn't as popular outside southeast asia
Another home run by Rossatron!
Really wait for the raid video game adaptation
man, with every new video you surprise me with how well you know and how much you love your action.
keep up the good work :)
Great review and movie education on making good action movie.
If anyone's reading this, the main guy from The Raid, and i think a few others are in a Netflix film that releases on the 19th of October called The Night Comes for Us
Classic
First time i saw that raid battle scene soo many years ago I knew there wont be much fight scenes that could hold candle to this.
It kept me on the edge of my seat.
I love your analyses! It makes me appreciate my favorite movies so much more!
Hollywood action movies ought to learn from The Raid series
Goddamn Ross, this might just be your best video yet! I've been here since your video on the best Punisher, and you've had me subscribed since then. Keep up this great content and you'll hit 100,000 subs in no time!
Thanks for the support! And I certainly hope so.
I am really excited to see this channel grow and get the attention it deserves. I've been waiting for content like this for a long time.
Glad to be of service!
This video is a perfect summary, it couldn't be said or shown better. thank you!
Oh, thank you for making a video on of my favorite movies of all times !
I personally prefer action scenes with realistic fights. It makes it more violent, animalistic. That person is fighting for his life with the intent to kill or seriously hurt someone. In real life you won't be doing roundhouse kicks or any of that stuff martial arts teaches you. It's just you and your fists, legs or whatever you gotta use. I find them more intense that flying around doing backflips and whatnot.
d2cuadrados i agree that it's good to show what consequences violences has and realistic depiction of it in movies helps.
that said, there's a reason jackie chan likes to make his movies lighter. they're not about being realistic. they're comedies with a sense of action. jokes and acrobatics. :D and much more suitable for kids. everyone's gotta start from somewhere right? haha
Then I think you would like special ID, SPL and flashpoint.
But even flashpoint has some flashy kicks. It doesn't matter how fights are choreographed, they just need to be well shot and make sense to the story. Lethal Weapon one has a great fight scene, So does Captain America: Winter Soldier, two completely different styles
Ryoo Seung-wan's action varies from realistic to batshit crazy, but it's always good
I watched the more mainstream action movies (including the 80's action heroes of course) + the classic martial art stuff featuring Jackie, Lee, etc.. And I don't recall any movie with this kind of crude fighting, which is funny. I think this is funny because when melee weapons are involved, you have examples of more choreographic stuff, also examples of crude fighting. The recent battle of the bastards is a good example, it mix fancy choreography with violent action. I think the modern martial art movie needs to follow a similar pattern, fancy + real. The Raid got close to that balance, but the fanciness takes over.
I was watching Iron Fist on Netflix. Then I watched this and now ima go watch The Raid one and two again.
Clarence Dass so far Iron Fist is pretty boring man. the iron fist fights has so many "clearly stunt fights". though I am not yet finished watching the whole season.
yeah bro, it is a bit of a drag, More corporate drama than the action I expected. I hope it picks up; I thought Daredevil season one wanna kind of slow till episode 5 or 6 too.
Dude this is a fantastic video - very knowledgeable! Love it. You deserve more subscribers.
Awesome video essay, mate.
I love great action & choreography, and it's nice to see I'm not the only one who thinks "great choreography" can mean slower movements, less-than-perfect technique and raw violence that may be unpolished.
The one-take fight scene from Daredevil, S1 Ep 2 is a great example of that. All fighters get weary, strength of will eventually replaces technique, and the man who gets up the most wins the fight.
Looking forward to watching the rest of your videos, keep it up!
Expanding a little on what you've said, a few other things to note that help make an action scene great are trust in the actors and/or stunt performers, rehearsal, and making sure everyone is on the same page.
The Amazing knife fight between Donnie Yen and Wu Jing in Killzone SPL was only shot in one night and was mostly improvised, which shows that there was a lot trust given to the performers and their previous experiences working together, since both guys were very familiar with each other's fighting styles.
In the Revenant they shot it all pretty much in natural light which gave them very small windows in which to film. So, while they were waiting for the light to be just right, they rehearsed the scenes over and over.
The directors of the first John Wick movie stated that when preparing to do those long great action sequences that the important thing was making sure everyone was on board and knew what was going to happen. They could trust that Keanu and the stunt team would be ready and do their job. They just had to make sure everyone else was on the same page as well.
The results of each of these examples speak for themselves
Good call on that Donnie Yen and Wu Jing fight. It was awesome stuff and it was also supported by the storyline and ramped up conflicts that preceded it.
Thank You. It's definitely one of my all time favorite knife fights. There are very few that compare
Haha u are here too! Yeah i liked SPL, super realistic melee fight, because they were actually fighting each other for real lol
+The Joker Hello again! Yeah I bought the DVD after only seeing that one fight. Totally worth it.
Yes its good. The film had a lack of quantity but it had quality fights.
gareth evans should direct a batman movie!!
PEANUT Exactly what I was thinking
PEANUT iko and yayan ruhian should be the choreographer
Or a Mission Impossible movie.
Better yet; a Mortal Kombat movie.
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definitely agree with MK. Gareth is perfect, along with his team
Great analysis! I just watched this after watching the last 30mins of The Raid 2 twice!! Definitely agree that fast or slow, complex or simple, its the level of realistic drama that guides the action on screen in the perfect shots.
SO glad you included the Atomic Blonde scene. It's such great work
ima need whoever direct the fight scene of iron fist to watch this. spot on commentary.
Take notes Iron Fist..
if only they'd had a good showrunner and cast lewis tan instead of bland noodle head
the casting was good. people just call him bland cause he's a damn monk. he's acting like a monk. what do you expect? lmao but the showrunner is a badass. and honestly iron fist doesn't need to take notes. it actually hits all the points said within this video. it doesn't over edit and the fight scenes are done extremely well. it seems like peole are repeating other people instead of actually critiquing the show itself. their fighting scenes weren't perfect but they were damn great mostly
really? I'm not sure if I'm watching the same Iron Fist show as you, but if you watch those fight sequences, you can clearly see over editing and terrible action sequences. Even Rossatron made a Defenders video about how bad the action was in Iron Fist
Agreed. It also took me a while, to accept, that Danny is basically a (pre)teen in an adult's body, that had no childhood and healthy growing up. He can not help being gullible, impulsive etc... but it's exhausting for me.
The cast of the Meachums was great and made it worth watching, but for a plot about a martial arts monk I expected some better fight scenes.
Great vid. That Matrix subway scene is my all time favourite fight. That being said you nailed it. Fights don't have to be fancy, they just need be visible. Quick cuts are the bane of fight scenes.
Well, I kept my word and pledged. Thanks for the great content, dude.
You legend! Thanks so much
great analysis, I love The Raid 1/2
as well as Jackie
wouldve been cool to see Ong Bak (street chase sequence)
as well as Sho Po Lang (Donnie Yen alley way Baton vs Knife fight ) :)
Yep, that baton vs knife is one of the best fight scene ever.
I'ts really a big shame that a very few people know about great action films like The Raid franchise, Headshot, Oldboy(2003) and others and instead they go watch Fast Furious, xXx Xander Cage and other shits.
old boy is not an action movie dude...
@@harrison28514 yeah not even close lol. Old boy has possiblt the best one take fight scene ever filmed but its not an action movie.
@@vorbo01agreed, the fight is just raw and brutal, like not choreographed
john wick lol
I really enjoy your channel and your perspective on action in cinema. I always look forward to your videos. Thanks and keep it up!
Thanks for the kind words!
The penultimate fight scene in The Raid 2, the one in the thumbnail, was so fucking intense that when it ended I realized I had been holding my breath throughout almost the whole damn thing.