That's the whole point of films and cinema, it was an art form of moving imagery with each frame making sense. Films used to be an art form that Michael Bay completely misses the point of.
"Do the best you can, because the film live forever" This is why 20-30 years later, people still watch his film, because he made with the intent to have it lived forever.
Money4Nothing He made an incredible point that I always thought about as well and that was the camera shots. It's been a common thing for movies to cut the action out in weird editing moments where the characters limbs seem to be flailing around, with the most pathetic part being that it's even started happening in scenes that involve gunfights and not melee combat. It was a major reason why I always have loved films like Drunken Master and Who Am I.
"You can do it, except do you have the patience or not?" A great way to look at creativity. You can pull off what the mind envisions, but the requires the patience & dedication to see that idea through. Jackie is a great teacher.
@@antonrogozhin7665 Well not really, you can be weaker than your opponent but if you don't give up and keep on trying, you can tire him out or outsmart him, even tho he was the most skilled fighter
He's such a perfectionist that in Armour of God, even though that tree shot was already great, he still insisted on doing it again resulting in a broken skull. This mofo is tough.
@@masterklaw4527 He's sort of demystifying himself. Allow me to paraphrase: "I can do that, not because I'm that good, but because I'm that patient. And, by the way, anyone can do that."
I read Jackie Chan's autobiography, and he explained that around the time he was starting, Bruce Lee had died. There were all these guys in Hong Kong trying to imitate Bruce Lee. He decided the best way to stand out was to do the complete opposite of that. That's where he got inspiration for his style of fighting in his films.
Directors tried to "make him into the next Bruce Lee". Obviously, that was folly. Let people like Jet Li do that (he did). But Jackie was in a class all of his own. Relatable in ways that not even Donnie Y. nor Jet Li could truly attain. It's one of the reasons the main character in my series, "Diamond Dragons", is named... Jackie. 💪😎✌️ 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨
Marvel Director: The actors can't fight, let's put in some CGI, and shake the camera. DC Director: The actors can't fight, let's make it darker. Jackie Chan: The actors can't fight, do it 1000 times with a bright steady camera.
"Patience" is whats missing nowdays, not only in films, also in the Gaming industry and other stuff, its like they say,"dont make it perfect, make it Fast". They dont have the Patience to make certain things how they suppose to be or look.
and ofc "willingness". I think we both can agree that if the artist gives a shit on what they doing, they wouldn't rush shits because of deadline or just living up the empty hype alone, or worse yet, staright out pandering towards some idiotic audience
harits andhika It's not just deadline. Think about it - rush the deadline/lower budgets or lose a job and lose track of bills? To assume that talented people would inherently NEVER choose their own livelihoods and their families over artistic integrity seems pretty naive to me. I'm sure there's tons of laziness going on but I'm also sure that there's tons of people that do what needs to be done based on the circumstances and logic as well - even if it sucks for us consumers in the longer run.
Jackie Chan also worked on the Kung Fu Panda films. Not just as a voice actor, but he also was an advicor to the animation team on how to do comedic Kung Fu.
That totally makes sense now. Jack black also met him in hong kong once where jackie is basically a god. Jackie told he'd do any movie with him and I guess jack black couldnt come up with any good ideas so now they're making kung fu panda 4😅
Aha, that's where I remember the scene with somebody fighting for food with chopsticks from! It rang a bell in this video, but I couldn't quite place it. Great homage that works well in that film too.
I used to watch his movies twice and never walk out of theater once the movie ends. Watching the bloopers at the end of the movie is "icing on the cake" its so much satisfying
the bloopers at the end of films were invented by Jackie, its original purpose was to show the audience the authenticity of his action scenes. There were a couple of them that Jackie was literally in a life threatening situation. What an actor he was.
"It's not good, you can do it. But do you have the patience or not?" "He doesn't win because he's a better fighter, he wins because he doesn't give up." Even his movie plots reflect his approach to film making.
One of the other things that I think helps humanize and let the audience know how truly difficult and long it takes to film these scenes is how in nearly every Jackie Chan film, there's always included bloopers and outtakes in the credits. The scenes where Jackie or a stuntman get severely hurt. Or how long it took to film a scene. Or just plain funny moments that happened during filming. It shows the audience that the people making this movie are human just like them and not just a name on a credit page.
Sure, but do audiences watch the action scenes thinking, "Oh man, I can't wait to see what the bloopers look like!"? I think not. They're funny, sure, but you watch the finished film appreciating the work first before you watch the bloopers understanding that they had some fun along the way as well. And if the film is bad and it has funny bloopers in the credits, all audiences will be thinking is "WHY DIDN'T WE GET THIS IN THE ACTUAL MOVIE??". That's never good because then the film is just signaling that it knows what it could've been and they're manipulating audiences into laughing at that instead of getting angry like they should.
@@Wired4Life2 For Jackie Chan movies, absolutely. And bloopers improve his movies. Just because something is comedic doesn't mean it works in the finished film.
I find that outtakes in general make a work so much more enjoyable and humanize the actors and their work, like you say. Even comedies become *more* funny after you've seen the actors struggle to keep a straight face during the lines.
"He doesn't win because he's the better fighter. He wins because he doesn't give up." Man, that was an awesome quote that can be applied to all aspects of life. Made me tear up a little. Love Jackie Chan, I miss seeing his films.
"It's not good, you can do it, but do you have the patience or not?" Jackie Chan is seriously my favorite. That quote can apply to so many things in life.
It's not just about patience, it's also about letting go of greed. Alot of these movie execs will happily forego perfection if it means it will save them a few bucks. smh
I thought that too. There are scenes where Bruce Lee is doing nunchukas where you see the behind the scenes and it takes him a few times to get it right. Even the best didn't start out the best. People think I'm pretty talented in certain crafts, but I consider the amount of work and perseverance I put in not to have anything to do with talent, just patience and practice.
Many people don't realize that fact. We have a good artist in our family and she gets really annoyed when people say "I'd draw too if I was that good". She answers with something like "Dude if you drew as much as I do you'd be good as well".
agreed... i remember seeing him on That's Incredible in the 80's He jumped over 3 cars that were speeding at him head on. he broke his foot on the 3rd cars wind shield but it was Live and it was insane to see.... after that it was Cannonball run and then i was a fan forever. Dude is the real deal.
Probably why the John Wick movies are so satisfying to watch; none of that rapid editing because Keanu Reeves does his own stunts and trains relentlessly. And the directors are stunt men.
Ya but the newest one sucked. The casablanca scene with the german sheperds watch closely and the thugs act like braindead npcs through the whole sequence
Yeah, John Wick's choreography doesn't come close to Jackie Chan but it's far better than edits and camera shakes. It does go full "Hot Shots Part Deux" a lot and seems like he's barely affected when he's hit. I mean he gets hit by a car and shakes it off a second later SMH. Hard to get invested in that.
Yeah, but I found the John Wick fight scenes to be overly long and not particularly dynamic. Good on them for actually letting us see punches landing, but you could at least spice it up a bit..... Also John Wick isn't particularly efficient, unlike the japanese swordsmen in Wick 3 going through legions of henchmen, doing quick work with them. Wick has to shoot a guy at least 8 times in the chest and 3 times in the face just to stop them from getting up again.
I feel blessed to have worked with him on different projects. He’s not only an amazing filmmaker and a creative martial artist, he’s also a very nice human being who makes everybody on set feel great.
@@xiaolong201280 Wow! How many films did you make with him? I understand it is hard to make stunts as we get older. It is amazing that Jackie still does a lot of that too and he is very old. But he never did what was considered normal he outdid everyone, always. And he is sweetly silly about not taking care of himself well enough to say, okay I am too old for stunts. Of course, he toned down his stunts now, but still, the man is amazing. Tell me more, please!
@@42kellys oh yeah! I have so much respect for him because of that… he’s a real workoholic: he never stops! 😂 I’ve worked on Chinese Zodiac, Dragon Blade, Skiptrace, and Snafu. I also worked on Vanguard, but I only did voiceover.
@@xiaolong201280 5 films! Wow! I am sure he was hyper satisfied with you if he kept calling you back for more! That is a great credit for you! Tell me more!
when uk gave hong kong back to china hong kong folks were against it. Jackie Chan however wasnt and publicly said so. One of the big reasons people started to dislike him there
@@brad5983 nope, I totally love Jackie. I have watched lot of his films since I was a child. They are really great for comic relief. I said, I won't compare to Scorsese, Tarkovesky, Kirostami, David Fincher, Alfred Hitchcock, etc. These names are of Greatest Film makers.
Fighting games actually helped me realise the rationale behind Jackie's fixation on rhythm. When a rhythm is being maintained, the audience gets to time their attention for each "event" (hit, block, dodge, or stunt), while still leaving some wiggle room to steadily increase, decrease, or deviate from the "tempo" as required. A few fighting games try to pull that off, but most don't bother. So fighting game sets can get legitimately exhausting to watch, because anything can happen at any time, meaning 100℅ of every second demands your focus. Thanks to Jackie's rhythm, however, the viewer's focus isn't looking out for events for 100℅ of every shot. This mitigates viewer fatigue and also leaves them "bandwidth" to spend elsewhere: motion, dialogue, gags, stunts, and such. (This is most of a reply I had originally posted in Storytellers' video about the Raid movies breaking away from Jackie's rules)
Every Frame a Painting Don't degrade yourself. Your commentary and production quality are more than half the reason I keep coming back. Keep em coming :)
Every Frame a Painting Agreed, I wanted to say THANK YOU for finally covering some of Jackie's film style and comparing it to Western movies. It's bugged me for so long and you've demonstrated it perfectly. Cheers for being the best film essayist.
Every Frame a Painting You also display different action cuts nicely. Especially the show it twice bit, which seems to be something that is very easy to miss in film.
Alpha Man There's a great, easy to read book about film editing that goes into this. It's titled 'On Film Editing' by Edward Dmytryk. Basically, "the show it twice bit", is so the audience has time to register what is happening on screen. That extra two frames shown before the actual hit is so our minds can process the actual hit. I'm probably not explaining this very good but if a scene in a film, especially an action scene, is cut too fast, the audience won't connect with the action, hence why the author in this video states "It looks like a bunch of people flailing around" @6:22.
The rhythm he talked about was really interesting. Something I never took into account but definitely and obviously noticed subconsciously. I'm guessing it's why, even tho there's so much going on in all his fight scenes, there's still that clarity that he likes to maintain shining through because of that metronome and it's what makes all the hits so satisfying. I feel like he even plays the down beats with all the "huh!'s and hah!'s" in between the hits. The best.
Jackie Chan is the greatest action hero of all time! I can't think of another actor I have an equal amount of respect for. Chan is the best of the best
+Ramasama Style Lucas his fighting skills are way more impressive than his acting and directing skills, i can't say for sure that those skills are not better than Jackie but they are overshadowed.
+bbkingzor Not just actor... person. like, in general, ever. If everyone had his kindness, humor, generosity, and discipline, this world would be a paradise.
This is, bar none, the best breakdown of Jackie Chan’s film, martial art and acting skills. He is definitely the better actor of ALL martial artists.. Even, the legend, Bruce Lee looked like freakin terminator in his films.. Jackie’s ability to broadcast pain is what makes him relatable because when he gets hurt you root for him to get back up and he never disappoints cuz he relentlessly finds a way.
Well i guess the ability to broadcast pain comes naturally, when you get hurt as often as he does. I still remember an interview, where he counted all his broken and cracked bonen from head to feet. All i can say is he probably got injured, more times than Eddy the Eagle :D
Even just on the "little" things, like at 5:29 the other guy throws a hard elbow and Jackie just zooms back to avoid but if he wasn't fast enough he would gotten a nasty concussion
I grew up watching a lot of his movies and I'm kinda sad that he won't be making movies like that anymore. He's old, it's understandable, but there is no real substitute either.
Everyone can do it But, do everyone have patience to do it dozens more times or even hundreds more times Thats what you call "give it your all" And the outcome is different, like heaven and earth
@@johnmarkson1990 well maybe not everyone can be an action movie superstar, but thats not the real message he was giving - what he really said was : find ur own passion and dedicate ur heart to it - even if you have to fail 1000times in row u will eventually get there.
Jackie Chan's superhuman-like acrobatic skills come from his upbringing at the Peking Opera School, along with his "blood brothers" Sammo Hung and Yuen Baio. It was a gruelling experience, training every day in martial arts, acrobatics, singing and dancing. It was through their hard work as children that they were able to become such talented acrobatic stunt actors after they grew up.
@@johnmarkson1990 first of all, he was referring to the part where he throws the fan and it comes back to his hand. second, yeah, that's what he means by patience. he didn't say that everyone has the patience (though I believe he would say that theoretically, everyone does), he's saying that patience is more important than talent or skill.
"And the most difficult thing, is when I throw the fan and catch it coming back, more than a hundred and twenty takes! Those kind of scenes, "Aw! Jackie good!", it's not "good", YOU can do it! Except do you have the patient or not?" I love this quote by Jackie. He's so humble, saying that anyone can do what he can, if only they would put in the time. It's both awe-inspiring, both to my respect to him as a person and to myself as someone who could become like him.
“If the camera moves it means the actor can’t fight.” So true. The Raid: Redemption is a great example of good modern choreography. Don’t know if Jackie will ever be topped though. His work is timeless.
"Whatever you do, do the best you can because the film lives forever." Tell that to giant movie franchises making mediocre movies like fastfood burgers.
The comparison between the direction in Jackie's fight scenes and American action scenes made me realize why I find the latter so boring and uninteresting. Most of the time when there are fighting scenes in movies (esp newer ones) I just can't wait for them to be over so we can get on with the story. The camera is always moving so fast and jumping here and there, it becomes hard to keep up. Jackie's scenes are genius and fun to watch. I need to check out more of his Hong Kong movies.
Quite so. One of the things Jackie does well, and almost no american action movies do well, is treat the fight as a miniature story of its own. With all the cuts in modern american action, there is no continuity to the miniature story that the actors are supposed to be telling with said fight.
I met Jackie briefly in the early 2000's. He was doing David Letterman and I was outside. He was doing some sort of strange stunt in Times Square directing traffic or something. I wasn't actually able to see it because I was over at the theater, but I got to meet him later that evening by the studio. What an absolute friendly dude. Of all the celebrities I've met over the years, he is easily one of the nicest.
Loved this video. Phenomenal work, Honestly most mainstream movie fights today have been ruined to me thanks to fight scenes like this and The Raid franchise. They always look so slow and unskilled in comparison
Jackie Chan doesn't need to cut his fight scenes because his fight choreography is the best in the world. The blockbuster actors don't know how to do fight scenes so they have to edit everything to make them look better.
You know who could learn from Jackie Chan? The guys at Rooster Teeth. I've been watching the most recent episodes of RWBY and every single flaw with continuity during fight scenes is there - every character fights like they were in a Dragon Ball Z episode, flying everywhere, appearing in different places every shot, not to mention the "constant talking and doing nothing" sessions.
There are actually a few Hollywood movies which do that right. For example the John Wick trilogy, I think some Jason Statham and Tom Cruise movies. I'm btw very surprised by the good choreography and less cuts from the new "The Witcher" series on Netflix
@@chrisfalcon_vt the thing with RT is..... That's the point of the fight. The reason it's so dragonball-esque with the flying everywhere and flashy movements is because it's meant to be flashy. This is a world where girls can turn into roses and wields a massive scythe mixed into a barrett. 50cal. Don't expect anything too realistic out of a fantasy world like that
That's... interesting. However, I felt that most fights lost that spark of creativity that Monty had. When I think of the first seasons, I remember that characters used the environments to their hearts and acted accordingly, making the scenes far more natural and spontaneous. In DBZ you had a reason for why the characters fought that way - Goku and everyone else moved faster than light, could crush mountains with laser beams, fly... When I see this in RWBY, I commend the crew for trying, but in a series where the core of the fights reside in the environment-character binomial, very different from DBZ, where the focus of the fights is on how much the viewer could feel the bursts of power. This also makes some fights, like the sea dragon attack with Blake and Sun or the RNJR fight against that Centaur thing very very odd. In other words, a good premise may not guarantee a good result.
Yeah, but if the strike is strong enough, the resulting pain can literally shock you into death... Don't forget how sensitive the parts down there are. But then again, only Jackie could think of that scene and make it comedic too.
Hey man, just wanted to let you know how much enjoyment and education your videos have brought me. We have a new battle coming out on Monday that you played such an inspirational role in, I snuck a shout out to your channel into the lyrics. Keep up the amazing work, and thank you. -nice peter
Huh, I was beginning to wonder if it was a more common quote, when I heard it in the video, but nice to hear you have a mutual appreciation for this channel.
One of the most renowned fight scenes in martial arts film history is Jackie Chan vs Benny "The Jet" Urquidez in Wheels on Meals (1984). In an interview, Benny revealed that they actually slept on the set for about a week or so in order to choreograph and shoot the sequence almost non-stop. The final fight scene of Drunken Master 2 (1994) aka The Legend of Drunken Master took four months to shoot as well. Jackie also allegedly holds the record for most takes in a single film due to the Jianzi game sequence in Dragon Lord (1982), which many say accumulated well over a thousand takes.
I swear when you're free... Take some snacks and drinks and just sit back and watch Jackie's movies. You'd be surprised there is so many of them and the most impressive part is that it still holds up very freaking well to this day. Amazing artist. Legend indeed!
the scene at 7:29 gave Jackie severe burns on his butt and lower back, multiple broken ribs, and I believe a concussion. after recovering he decided he didn't like the way that take looked and did it again. Quality takes second fiddle to nothing.
I still come back to this video years later. I don't think anyone else has really explained Jackie's style and his work in a cohesive way as it is here. Even though more people are starting to realize how special Jackie Chan is as a filmmaker I hope more and more people take time to watch his films, particularly his work in Hong Kong cinema.
3:38 This reminds me of a similar point made in a completely different genre called "Bumping the Lamp" in animated cartoons. This term was made famous by the movie "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" when a scene occurred in the movie where a cartoon literally "bumps the lamp" in the scene and the light moved about the room causing various shadows to cast off the cartoon that was interacting with the world around him. To get the shadows right for this shot it took *incredible* amounts of effort from the various animators to detail the different shadows that went into the constantly changing lighting angles and how it interacted with the cartoon. It was a scene that went for the most part unnoticed by viewers, but added great immersion into the idea that these cartoons actually existed alongside real people in this half real, half cartoon world they existed in. The point of this term, by encouraging people to "bump the lamp" in any genre, is that whether or not an audience member actually notices the amount of care that goes into scenes like Roger bumping the lamp or the many takes that Jackie put into kicking that shoe just right, it is always going to be noticed by *somebody* and will help to solidify the movie as being remembered for years to come as a timeless classic. Regardless of how many takes it will cost, or how much time it will take, always bump the lamp.
i think we all notice it, but at a subconscious level - it 'feels real' but we can't pinpoint why so we think it's just a feeling not a factual sensory intuition: but that's more powerful because it makes us believe subconsciously that it's true, that we're watching something real, so the impact is greater, even though by now no audience is going to run out the theatre when they see a train coming
Jakie chan Jesus Christ a besoin de toi repent toi et sois sauver si non tu pasera l'eternité en enfer comme Bruce Lee ya encore de temp pour toi Jesus t'aime et a donné sa vie pour te sauvé.
I'm one of the millions Indian fan of Jackie Chan since my childhood, I love his movies very much, especially his 80s and 90s movies are best, evergreen and gives nostalgia... I have seen over fifty of his movies, watched and read a lot about him, already knew many points in this video... But some of points shows how great, passionate, hard working he is... He is way better than many hollywood action stars and one of the best film artist all over the globe
JoeMakaFloe No they don’t but the new movies choreography is beyond shit. The prequels were superior to all the other films for the lightsaber choreography.
Sad thing is, the Jackie phenomenon seems all but over now despite him still being in good health. He maintained an incredible fitness level far longer than hardly anyone else, but he's just not capable of spectacular athletic feats like he used to be and it seriously limits any action sequences he participates in now. That's why I hope that he eventually transitions more into guiding the next generation's talent to replicate the thrill of his older work, though of course it would be hard to find anyone who could match his skill in his prime. Sammo Hung has done a great job choreographing fights for others (like Ip Man!), and I'd love to see Jackie follow the same path. I know he still has all the know-how in his head, so if he could just get a young body willing and able to do what he used to, it could produce great results. Don't get me wrong though, I still want him to also continue acting himself!
I mean true but Jackie IS 67 years old, going or falling through props isn't exactly an ideal thing for someone that age especially when he does all his stunts in the movie😂
Well that is what he is doing, he is acting less and does more of advising plus politics. He knows that he is old and cannot make movies as good as before, but he will be forever remembered for what he has archived so far.
Jackie has been saying for years that he doesn't want to be an action star anymore. He wants to be a singer, or something less violent. He's definitely passionate about his work, but he does it because he's good at it. In multiple interviews, Jackie has said he wishes he could have been like a romance lead instead of an action lead. In all honesty, I think Jackie is relieved that his action career is kind of over. The man deserves a break from breaking his bones.
I've had an idea about that for a while now: a new Drunken Master starring Jackie Chan as the "Drunken Master" training a student. Given how "Drunken Master" launched Chan's career, it would be fitting if Chan himself plays the master role to a new student.
3:56 "It's not good. You can do it. Except do you have the patience or not." I think a lot of people forget that everything impressive takes time. Just drawing one piece of art, you have to sketch, ink, color the right way, shade the right way, and you often have to do this with more than one subject and a background. It takes hours, and that's before all the drawing that led you up to that point. You can do it, just do you put the time in to do it right?
This just made me notice that quite a lot of fight scenes in American movies are even hard to follow. There are so many cuts and so much movement that it is hard to see what is going on and who is who. Jackie Chan is just outstanding!
The camera thing on american action movies is cancerous... sometimes i have to rewatch the whole movie and even then i dont understand whats going on in some parts. Seems like they dont want us to realize whats going on.
I think it's more about time and dedication since Jackie's Hollywood movies also suffer from such camerawork even though he can fight and choreograph. American directors and cinematographers feel that they can shortcut the process by moving the camera around b/c it tends to hide mistakes and inconsistencies instead of doing them over and over.
@@spenser9908 Tom Cruise has NOTHING on Jackie. You can't compare a legend such as Jackie Chan to Tom Cruise. Yes he does his own stunts but most of the time he has safety gear and wires while Jackie did everything without any safety gear and by himself
@@zaer-ezart I mean in terms of somebody willing to put their health and lives on the line to keep the audience's immersion in the narrative. Plus, Jackie Chan never had to hold his breath for six minutes under water or hang off the side of a flying plane. Tom Cruise also did hundreds of HALO jumps for one scene in a movie. Chan never did that.
Jackie Chan supports the Chinese Communist Party & condemns the Hong Kongers who seek freedom & democracy - maybe that is why the down-votes have accumulated.
But his right about one thing. Money ruins everything. No passion, just takes. Just the release day and the opening weekend. I think this is why we hold old movies as the best, still.
You are SO RIGHT! Hollywood didn't know what to make of him. They made him a secondary character! A "buddy film"! And you pinpointed exactly the difference in the action scenes. That's why I love his own work. It's much superior. He is beauty in motion!
Hong Kong does these really well. Too bad many of the good ones are either unheard of in the west or poorly dubbed. And too many things get lost in translation.
Would you recommend some good Hong Kong titles for me? Your 'lost in translation' comment hit home with me, ever since I watched one of my favorite movies of all time (Kung Fu Hustle) English dubbed with some friends. I had seen it 10 times not dubbed, and it seemed like they changed a lot about the movie and it almost seemed like an entirely different movie.
+flyingthroughspaceonagiantrock fearless(jet li), ip man (donnie yen series), the viral factor (westerner may like it?), bodyguards and assassins(the one I like the most, maybe westerners don't enjoy it), once upon a time in China, the grandmaster (a real tribute to Chinese martial art, took 4 years of filming for one 1 minute fight scene, again westerner may not enjoy it), kung fu jungle(donnie yen), and finally, project A and the most famous police story series (Jackie chan). Hope these are enough for u
A character fuckup I've noticed Hollywood keeps trying to force Jackie Chan into is a nice guy teamed up with an egocentric "funny" man. Nobody wants to see the nice guy beat up! That's why, in his Hong Kong movies, he was always kind of a cocky bastard himself (even a total douche in Police Story) so there was just a LITTLE extra satisfaction with seeing him getting punched in the face :D
+Ckyntosh I remember in Police Story, he made his fellow cop disguise as a murderer and scare a girl who is a witness, just to convince her that she'd be safe with Jackie.
I think most of directors dont recognize martial arts as an ART. Only if a director can taste and appreciate the martial arts as an art then it will be delievered to the screen in more sensible way.
Most martial arts strikes can be divided by 2 shots. However, each uses is different. Judo need to have close up first to register enemy reaction alongside with the grab, and then a wide shot to emphasise the heaviness, in striking, most start with a wide shoot and then a close up to emphasise power. All martial arts do have grappling techniques, they’re just some utilise more. Judo actually have punch however you can’t use it in tournament because they utilise throws and locks. To emphasise how powerful the momentum of the throw, you need a frames to show the full spin of the throw and see the opponent bounces off after hitting the floor. To emphasise lock, you need to see how the enemy can’t move in full body shot and see the consequences of it alongside with crisp audio cue instead of making the action imperceptible. In the end, the lesson is to never let your action actually imperceptible as most movie features hand to hand combat actually has a lot of unclear hit, which making all action has less impact than you expect from the move.
very true man. i mean look at the raid , undisputed fight scenes are godly cause they just show the fight scene in a free flowing motion. hollywood fight look like someone with parkinsons edited/directed them. its soooooo irritatingly fidgety and shaky.
I think with the rise of MMA, the directors now a days wanna make the fights gritty and a big ball of grapples and awkward positions because that's probably what they interpret from seeing MMA. Not defending their stupid logic, but just noticing more and more trying to use more "realistic" fighting while also butchering it both in editing and in creatively/authenticity. John Wick is a good example of what they wanna do done right....mostly. It still cuts cameras a lot.
I've followed your channel since your Edgar Wright video, and I recently mentioned your channel to my head lecturer - I'm at a film University - and recommended watching your videos. He came back and said he's hugely impressed with your work! I think he said he's gonna use your videos in some lectures. They're brilliant videos - and for a film student they're so helpful and great videos to learn from - honestly thanks so much for making them! :)
Actually, most of his crew worked that way. I once watched a credit of his movie, and there's a scene where the main villain have to drop from the 2nd floor and they DID exactly that, even takes up to more than 4 takes
Hate to disappoint you but you're wrong. If you watch the end credits of City Hunter, there's a fella wearing the exact same outfit as Jackie helping him up in the last fight.
This breakdown was used in a reference between a guy named Destiny and Dropping the podcast. The fact this one is 8 yrs old but they both knew exactly what the other was talking about brought me here. Very good breakdown
You explain in this video a principle of action film making that I really wish people had a greater awareness of. So many action scenes in mainstream Hollywood movies are just terribly edited and choreographed because they try to get out of actually shooting action scenes in favor of using camera and editing tricks to create the illusion of action. And for those of us who are aware of these techniques, they look cheap. One of the worst culprits I've seen in recent memory was the 4th pirates of the Caribbean movie. There is literally almost no genuine action in that movie. It's nearly 100% an illusion of editing. And not a very effective illusion, at that.
My respect for Jackie Chan has increased 1000 fold, to do that many takes to perfect his craft and produce a quality scene for the audience is simply amazing!
Same thing in every film genre. Muck around with camera shots and FX and doubles and editing to make it look like famous no-talents can actually fight. Or dance. Or anything. Some of the audience is always gullible enough to believe everything they see. But lack of talent is still lack of talent, obvious no matter how fancy you dress it up.
Shaky cam/handheld CAN be used well, if the situation calls for it and if the director knows what they're doing. Most of the time, however, it is really a cheap gimmick that has unfortunately become standard so that studios can spend as little time and money and effort to train stuntmen
I wish Bruce Lee could have lived to see his doting fan and stuntman in his true stylish glory. I am convinced that as an aspiring film maker, if they met again years later Bruce would have been the one fangirling and they would have ended up making some incredible work together.
Jackie may never have become popular if not for the death of Bruce because after he died there were so many imitators trying to be the next Bruce Lee, while Jackie went in a different direction.
After seeing some of his movies from Hong Kong I earned a new respect for Jackie. He's easily the best action actor alive. His fighting scenes in the Police Story trilogy outmatch anything produced by Hollywood!
I thought Th Police Story has 4 movies.., the last one is The Police Story : First Strike. That the last Police Story movie when Jackie Chan Still Using the Character of policeman Chan Ka Kui. There's still another 2 Police Story movie, The New Police Story and a remake Police Story 2013, but this 2 movies is not a movie for Chan Ka-Kui, you can say it as totally a different story. But the original "The Police Story" has 4 movies. It's not trilogy.
@@jp3813 It's especially true when film studios is weighted down by pressure about loss and profit to the shareholders and not about making a great movie for the audiences.
+Minh Phi Guillod Hahaha it is right there in the player, it is a big button that says CC, but you have to go into the subtitle options and select "English (Movie Titles)" to watch the movie titles.
i loooooove the dissection of a master like this. Without vids like this, I would simply enjoy a master like jackie chan and not appreciate to a fuller extent what he's doing and why I'm enjoying it so much. Thank you!!
That makes total sense why the new TMNT's action scenes have felt so amazing and satisfying. Wide shots showing the action clearly, with all the the benefit being that skilled animators are needed instead of a bunch of stunt actors. I knew Jackie Chan was in the movie, but I didn't realize how much of his style was injected into the film as well with wide shots showing clear action.
Why is John Wick so good? Because Keanu Reeves trained like a madman for the movie. Action stars are not skilled or trained enough, not committed enough. Hollywood movie making is like assembly factory, we will fix with clever editing and/or cgi and make a big fancy trailer.
Have you actually watched a John Wick movie? The action scenes are brilliantly shot and edited and follow many of the principles laid out in this very video.
Even in Raging Bull, which isn't even an action movie, Robert De Niro trained with the REAL JAKE LA MOTTA in order to play Jake La Motta, and that has some of the most well executed boxing scenes in history!
I think recent American action and dance films both suffer from sequences with to many cuts; which really only seem like they are there to cover up the performers lack of skill. It exhausts your eye, and isn't anywhere near the thrill of a less complicated sequence with framing that allows the movements of some skilled performers to be seen in their entirety. I adore this series, keep up the good work!
YesShesTheTallOne Anytime somebody brings up modern musicals, I always bust out this sequence: ua-cam.com/video/SND3v0i9uhE/v-deo.html There are less than a dozen shots in 4 minutes. Top that.
That final fight at the end of the first Hunger Games comes to mind. Watched it like 3 times and still had no clue what was happening amidst the constant cuts and general darkness of the scene.
***** Yeah, that was pretty bad too. More understandable in that case though - big CGI trolls and people dressed as orcs look more realistic with lots of movement. Also the fact that there were like 7 main characters all fighting 3 orcs at a time with the troll stomping about all over the place probably didn't help either. Hunger Games was just 3 fucking people, no CGI or elaborate costumes or anything.
As an editor and composer myself I can tell you that it’s not that editors and directors lack talent … it’s that the studio DEMANDS product at an entirely unreasonable rate. I gave up being a film composer (even though I still do for certain clients) because I’d be given 2-3 months to edit a film .. and a week to write an orchestral score for the same film, and the directors and producers could never seem to understand what was taking so long). Jackie’s work is exceptional for all the reasons you’ve pointed out .. but the underlying nature is that the studio lets them have the time needed to do it right. We often don’t get that luxury here in the west.
There's no form of entertainment that doesn't put you on hard unrealistic deadlines that make it difficult to do your best work. In triple A game studios just about everything nowadays comes out day one with a huge patch, game has no optimization, and it plays like an alpha build cause it is since they didn't have time to finish. Originally games had to ship a finished product that has to be fully ready before release so it could be on shelves for release. I miss when it was the expectation to make something feature complete at release with maybe a couple dlcs to add content and playtime.
The steady camera thing just blew my mind. I will never look at action movies the same again.
Lester Sanchez same.
That's the whole point of films and cinema, it was an art form of moving imagery with each frame making sense. Films used to be an art form that Michael Bay completely misses the point of.
Jack, I guess you're not too familiar with Naruto!
me too
Lester Sanchez steady cam usually significant no use of stunt double. You can see it in John Wick ans Tom Cruise films as well
"Do the best you can, because the film live forever"
This is why 20-30 years later, people still watch his film, because he made with the intent to have it lived forever.
I still have some of his early movies and they are my favorites
@@sebastiansebastian5270 words cannot express how good some of his work is. Can be hilarious too!
Anjayy
成龙是中国人的骄傲
Same still watch them time to time
Good lord that's a brilliant analysis, I've always loved Chan's movies for these reasons, but never seen it so well articulated
Yes, I wondered why I enjoy his Hong Kong movies much more than US made, now I understand.
now i know why punch, kick, or something like that doesnt seem like an actual HIT in western movies. u know what i mean.
***** Compared to most Hollywood fights, yes. But aside from the special effects, Hong Kong audiences had already seen better.
Money4Nothing He made an incredible point that I always thought about as well and that was the camera shots. It's been a common thing for movies to cut the action out in weird editing moments where the characters limbs seem to be flailing around, with the most pathetic part being that it's even started happening in scenes that involve gunfights and not melee combat. It was a major reason why I always have loved films like Drunken Master and Who Am I.
Money for nothing and chicks for free
"You can do it, except do you have the patience or not?"
A great way to look at creativity. You can pull off what the mind envisions, but the requires the patience & dedication to see that idea through. Jackie is a great teacher.
That death scene at the end is nuts.
+Mr. Creazil Ya, they went balls deep in production value on that one.
Yeah, they'd be too scared to do that in a Hollywood movie.
But Jackie Chan found the balls to do it.
+Mr. Creazil Why so few likes on this comment
Ihsan Tria Pramanda Someone should get sacked for that.
Mr. Creazil The amount of puns used in this thread is too damn high! XD
"He doesn't win because he is a better fighter, he wins because he doesn't give up."
So meaningful.
The East philosophy
Actually, if you are strong enough not to give up, it means that you are the best fighter.
@@antonrogozhin7665 Well not really, you can be weaker than your opponent but if you don't give up and keep on trying, you can tire him out or outsmart him, even tho he was the most skilled fighter
But...
He's usually the better fighter also
Reminds me of an old experience I had...
dowlphinblog.wordpress.com/2020/02/26/the-profound-spiritual-divide-that-affects-your-whole-life/
"Oh, Jackie good! It's not good. You can do it, except do you have the patience or not?" - Jackie Chan
great quote
I thought he meant, "It's not a good take because it looks like something anyone can do right the first time".
@Happy McJoyjoy 10/10
He's such a perfectionist that in Armour of God, even though that tree shot was already great, he still insisted on doing it again resulting in a broken skull. This mofo is tough.
@@masterklaw4527 He's sort of demystifying himself. Allow me to paraphrase: "I can do that, not because I'm that good, but because I'm that patient. And, by the way, anyone can do that."
I read Jackie Chan's autobiography, and he explained that around the time he was starting, Bruce Lee had died. There were all these guys in Hong Kong trying to imitate Bruce Lee. He decided the best way to stand out was to do the complete opposite of that. That's where he got inspiration for his style of fighting in his films.
That's on Wikipedia if I'm not mistaken
"I don't want to be the next Bruce Lee. I want to be the first Jackie Chan."
Directors tried to "make him into the next Bruce Lee". Obviously, that was folly. Let people like Jet Li do that (he did). But Jackie was in a class all of his own. Relatable in ways that not even Donnie Y. nor Jet Li could truly attain.
It's one of the reasons the main character in my series, "Diamond Dragons", is named... Jackie. 💪😎✌️
🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨
@@reckyu7642and the rest is history
He was one of the stuntmen in bruce lee's movie
Never fight Jackie Chan in an IKEA.
Because he’ll use a Mitsubishi
Now I want to see that lol
You'll have to find him first. That place is a labyrinth of furniture haha
Dude, I really want to see the home game of him. I think I'm going to die laughing, the jokes that come out of it.
Probably gonna assemble a piece of furniture in the most ridiculous but fantastic way possible
Marvel Director: The actors can't fight, let's put in some CGI, and shake the camera.
DC Director: The actors can't fight, let's make it darker.
Jackie Chan: The actors can't fight, do it 1000 times with a bright steady camera.
America could learn something from asian martial arts movies
@@hybrid5860 *laughs in Mulan*
@@SuccubiPie Yeah, Mulan is a Hollywood movie.
Dc movies aren't that dark.
Jackie Chan: The actors can fight.
"Patience" is whats missing nowdays, not only in films, also in the Gaming industry and other stuff, its like they say,"dont make it perfect, make it Fast". They dont have the Patience to make certain things how they suppose to be or look.
and ofc "willingness". I think we both can agree that if the artist gives a shit on what they doing, they wouldn't rush shits because of deadline or just living up the empty hype alone, or worse yet, staright out pandering towards some idiotic audience
agreed
yeah people in this era are lazy af
In the gaming industry though depending on how big the studio it is, its normally because of the Stakeholders games are rushed.
harits andhika It's not just deadline. Think about it - rush the deadline/lower budgets or lose a job and lose track of bills?
To assume that talented people would inherently NEVER choose their own livelihoods and their families over artistic integrity seems pretty naive to me.
I'm sure there's tons of laziness going on but I'm also sure that there's tons of people that do what needs to be done based on the circumstances and logic as well - even if it sucks for us consumers in the longer run.
Jackie Chan also worked on the Kung Fu Panda films. Not just as a voice actor, but he also was an advicor to the animation team on how to do comedic Kung Fu.
Honestly probably why those movies are so good and work so well
That totally makes sense now. Jack black also met him in hong kong once where jackie is basically a god. Jackie told he'd do any movie with him and I guess jack black couldnt come up with any good ideas so now they're making kung fu panda 4😅
That explains so much.
Aha, that's where I remember the scene with somebody fighting for food with chopsticks from! It rang a bell in this video, but I couldn't quite place it. Great homage that works well in that film too.
@@JBoxy7 Maybe in the 90s he was close to God. But most Hong Kongers now aren't that big of a fan of his due his support for the ccp
I used to watch his movies twice and never walk out of theater once the movie ends. Watching the bloopers at the end of the movie is "icing on the cake" its so much satisfying
so true. I watched a lot of his movies growing up in the 80s and 90s.
I loved watching the end credits in his movies because of those outtakes.
the bloopers at the end of films were invented by Jackie, its original purpose was to show the audience the authenticity of his action scenes. There were a couple of them that Jackie was literally in a life threatening situation. What an actor he was.
@@yoyohighness he still is
@@yoyohighness Bro, Jackie's still alive...
"It's not good, you can do it. But do you have the patience or not?"
"He doesn't win because he's a better fighter, he wins because he doesn't give up."
Even his movie plots reflect his approach to film making.
Yes
One of the other things that I think helps humanize and let the audience know how truly difficult and long it takes to film these scenes is how in nearly every Jackie Chan film, there's always included bloopers and outtakes in the credits. The scenes where Jackie or a stuntman get severely hurt. Or how long it took to film a scene. Or just plain funny moments that happened during filming. It shows the audience that the people making this movie are human just like them and not just a name on a credit page.
Sure, but do audiences watch the action scenes thinking, "Oh man, I can't wait to see what the bloopers look like!"? I think not. They're funny, sure, but you watch the finished film appreciating the work first before you watch the bloopers understanding that they had some fun along the way as well. And if the film is bad and it has funny bloopers in the credits, all audiences will be thinking is "WHY DIDN'T WE GET THIS IN THE ACTUAL MOVIE??". That's never good because then the film is just signaling that it knows what it could've been and they're manipulating audiences into laughing at that instead of getting angry like they should.
@@Wired4Life2 For Jackie Chan movies, absolutely. And bloopers improve his movies. Just because something is comedic doesn't mean it works in the finished film.
BlueFox94 Hey why did you bold all of the letters you fucking troglodyte.
@@Mecha_Hitler he/she should thank you for a new word
I find that outtakes in general make a work so much more enjoyable and humanize the actors and their work, like you say. Even comedies become *more* funny after you've seen the actors struggle to keep a straight face during the lines.
"He doesn't win because he's the better fighter. He wins because he doesn't give up."
Man, that was an awesome quote that can be applied to all aspects of life. Made me tear up a little. Love Jackie Chan, I miss seeing his films.
That's some dark souls stuff fr
Es el mejor en todo lo que hace tiene un talento sobrenatural pero no presume de ello.
John Wick: "I can use a pencil in a fight."
Jackie Chan: "Hold my industrial alcohol."
Jackie Chan: "Also, hold my chicken!"
@@AIgorith "And my bench"
@@damianolanzoni9583 "And my umbrella"
@@@vinsynth "And my stepladder"
Jackie: Hold my.....-looks to keanu-what is this?
Keanu-looks at what Jackie's holding-that is a door hinge and 3 fries
"It's not good, you can do it, but do you have the patience or not?" Jackie Chan is seriously my favorite. That quote can apply to so many things in life.
It's not just about patience, it's also about letting go of greed. Alot of these movie execs will happily forego perfection if it means it will save them a few bucks. smh
yeaah everything takes time.
I thought that too. There are scenes where Bruce Lee is doing nunchukas where you see the behind the scenes and it takes him a few times to get it right. Even the best didn't start out the best. People think I'm pretty talented in certain crafts, but I consider the amount of work and perseverance I put in not to have anything to do with talent, just patience and practice.
Many people don't realize that fact. We have a good artist in our family and she gets really annoyed when people say "I'd draw too if I was that good". She answers with something like "Dude if you drew as much as I do you'd be good as well".
Gotta love how humble Jackie is. He does extraordinary shit and then says "That's nothing, you can do it too if you try hard enough"
"I used to think that my life was an action, but now I realize - it's an action comedy".
- Jackie Chan.
comedy never dies, probably that why he survive all that
How about another action-comedy Murray?
Дед, ты че тут забыл, даб даб
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This is such a winning comment. Well played sir. ^_^
Jackie is a living legend, a humble guy as well. He's been through it all.
You are just....everywhereeeeee!!!
Jesus no matter what fucking genre you are always there wtf
It seems he is not the only one who's been through it all.
only three replies from a popular Commenter; who commented 2 weeks ago; on a popular video with 24M views?
nuff.
Bruh I was rewatching old videos and YOU’RE here too
Jackie Chan is his own genre in movies.
agreed... i remember seeing him on That's Incredible in the 80's He jumped over 3 cars that were speeding at him head on. he broke his foot on the 3rd cars wind shield but it was Live and it was insane to see.... after that it was Cannonball run and then i was a fan forever. Dude is the real deal.
Just like megalovania is its own genre of music.
he's like evel kinevel meets bruce lee
@@AGenericAccount That's actually pretty fucking accurate
@@gespenst0083 Yeah, exactly the same..
Hate Hollywood action scenes. Shake the camera so much I can't see who's hitting who.
Umair Ahmed you just had to do it didn’t you.
@Hitado Dota pretty sure he was talking about how the directors use so much shaky footage
@Hitado Dota you missed the point
Hollywood is better about action scene than fight scene, because asian martial art is more unique especially Chinese martial art.
I hear your criticism and raise you Matthew Vaughn's work in Kingsman: The Secret service.
Shaky and chaotic? Yes. But masterfully executed.
Probably why the John Wick movies are so satisfying to watch; none of that rapid editing because Keanu Reeves does his own stunts and trains relentlessly. And the directors are stunt men.
Ya but the newest one sucked. The casablanca scene with the german sheperds watch closely and the thugs act like braindead npcs through the whole sequence
Yeah, John Wick's choreography doesn't come close to Jackie Chan but it's far better than edits and camera shakes. It does go full "Hot Shots Part Deux" a lot and seems like he's barely affected when he's hit. I mean he gets hit by a car and shakes it off a second later SMH. Hard to get invested in that.
@@richardlinares6314 noone can compare to jackie chan hes the goat. elite athleticism, dangerous choreography and does suicidal stunts, insanity.
Imagine John Wick and Jackie Chan collaboration
Yeah, but I found the John Wick fight scenes to be overly long and not particularly dynamic. Good on them for actually letting us see punches landing, but you could at least spice it up a bit.....
Also John Wick isn't particularly efficient, unlike the japanese swordsmen in Wick 3 going through legions of henchmen, doing quick work with them. Wick has to shoot a guy at least 8 times in the chest and 3 times in the face just to stop them from getting up again.
I feel blessed to have worked with him on different projects. He’s not only an amazing filmmaker and a creative martial artist, he’s also a very nice human being who makes everybody on set feel great.
Wow! Good for you. Nad may I ask what is your line of work? What did you do on his film sets?
@@42kellys I used to be a stuntman. Now I’m a bit too old for action so I just act.
@@xiaolong201280 Wow! How many films did you make with him?
I understand it is hard to make stunts as we get older. It is amazing that Jackie still does a lot of that too and he is very old. But he never did what was considered normal he outdid everyone, always. And he is sweetly silly about not taking care of himself well enough to say, okay I am too old for stunts. Of course, he toned down his stunts now, but still, the man is amazing. Tell me more, please!
@@42kellys oh yeah! I have so much respect for him because of that… he’s a real workoholic: he never stops! 😂
I’ve worked on Chinese Zodiac, Dragon Blade, Skiptrace, and Snafu. I also worked on Vanguard, but I only did voiceover.
@@xiaolong201280 5 films! Wow! I am sure he was hyper satisfied with you if he kept calling you back for more! That is a great credit for you! Tell me more!
And this is the major reason why Chan just won a Lifetime Achievement Academy Award.
Here because of it!
Well deserved!
His early work is awesome but He's hated in Hong Kong in the recent 10 years.
Really? What for?
when uk gave hong kong back to china hong kong folks were against it. Jackie Chan however wasnt and publicly said so. One of the big reasons people started to dislike him there
This is why Jackie Chan is the Greatest Filmmaker of our time! A true GOAT!
True
That is a little too much, calling him the greatest
SM hater over here
@@brad5983 nope, I totally love Jackie. I have watched lot of his films since I was a child. They are really great for comic relief. I said, I won't compare to Scorsese, Tarkovesky, Kirostami, David Fincher, Alfred Hitchcock, etc. These names are of Greatest Film makers.
@@TopLobster11 he can still be the greatest at the kinds a movies he does without being needing to be compared with others
Jackie Chan is a legend. No question.
Your picture is a good lizzzzard, not a legend but a good lizzzzzzzzzzard
**Looks around for the source of the brilliant voice, whispering from the shadows**
+Austin Baker "I didn't know a wrestler could be a baker".
Actually Jet Li was in The Legend.
At 3:04 if Jackie missed that wall jump, that would have been the end. The balls in this guy.
Fighting games actually helped me realise the rationale behind Jackie's fixation on rhythm.
When a rhythm is being maintained, the audience gets to time their attention for each "event" (hit, block, dodge, or stunt), while still leaving some wiggle room to steadily increase, decrease, or deviate from the "tempo" as required.
A few fighting games try to pull that off, but most don't bother. So fighting game sets can get legitimately exhausting to watch, because anything can happen at any time, meaning 100℅ of every second demands your focus.
Thanks to Jackie's rhythm, however, the viewer's focus isn't looking out for events for 100℅ of every shot. This mitigates viewer fatigue and also leaves them "bandwidth" to spend elsewhere: motion, dialogue, gags, stunts, and such.
(This is most of a reply I had originally posted in Storytellers' video about the Raid movies breaking away from Jackie's rules)
one thing i hate in modern action movie, that shaky cam....
I agree, or switching camera every 0.2 sec - the worst
god rogue one shaky cam and camera switching was terrible
See Jin Yee Jason borne
See Jin Yee that's why you actually train your actor to do the martial arts instead of cheating it by taking about 70 shots for 5 seconds of film
EpicWEpig exactly...
"Jackie Chan uses everything around him..."
Jackie Chan (karate Kid 2010): I used the kids to destroy the kids...
Lol
Kids destroy kids even without Jackie
@@kahnqueror8486 soccer
@@pemudaakhirzaman999 ii
Hahaha damn
I lost count about 20 viewings ago of how many times I've seen this video.
Jaime Garcia Yeah my friends tell me they rewatch this one a lot. Must be the jokes.
Every Frame a Painting Don't degrade yourself. Your commentary and production quality are more than half the reason I keep coming back. Keep em coming :)
Every Frame a Painting Agreed, I wanted to say THANK YOU for finally covering some of Jackie's film style and comparing it to Western movies. It's bugged me for so long and you've demonstrated it perfectly. Cheers for being the best film essayist.
Every Frame a Painting You also display different action cuts nicely. Especially the show it twice bit, which seems to be something that is very easy to miss in film.
Alpha Man There's a great, easy to read book about film editing that goes into this. It's titled 'On Film Editing' by Edward Dmytryk. Basically, "the show it twice bit", is so the audience has time to register what is happening on screen. That extra two frames shown before the actual hit is so our minds can process the actual hit. I'm probably not explaining this very good but if a scene in a film, especially an action scene, is cut too fast, the audience won't connect with the action, hence why the author in this video states "It looks like a bunch of people flailing around" @6:22.
The rhythm he talked about was really interesting. Something I never took into account but definitely and obviously noticed subconsciously. I'm guessing it's why, even tho there's so much going on in all his fight scenes, there's still that clarity that he likes to maintain shining through because of that metronome and it's what makes all the hits so satisfying. I feel like he even plays the down beats with all the "huh!'s and hah!'s" in between the hits. The best.
Jackie Chan is the greatest action hero of all time! I can't think of another actor I have an equal amount of respect for. Chan is the best of the best
+Ramasama Style Lucas his fighting skills are way more impressive than his acting and directing skills, i can't say for sure that those skills are not better than Jackie but they are overshadowed.
+Ramasama Style Lucas No no no
***** This is not an argument....
+bbkingzor Not just actor... person. like, in general, ever. If everyone had his kindness, humor, generosity, and discipline, this world would be a paradise.
Abraxis86 Very true. He is not just an action hero. He is a Hero - full stop.
This is, bar none, the best breakdown of Jackie Chan’s film, martial art and acting skills. He is definitely the better actor of ALL martial artists.. Even, the legend, Bruce Lee looked like freakin terminator in his films.. Jackie’s ability to broadcast pain is what makes him relatable because when he gets hurt you root for him to get back up and he never disappoints cuz he relentlessly finds a way.
Well i guess the ability to broadcast pain comes naturally, when you get hurt as often as he does. I still remember an interview, where he counted all his broken and cracked bonen from head to feet. All i can say is he probably got injured, more times than Eddy the Eagle :D
You don't know how many times he had risked his life just for the audiences
Even just on the "little" things, like at 5:29 the other guy throws a hard elbow and Jackie just zooms back to avoid but if he wasn't fast enough he would gotten a nasty concussion
@@carlosgarcia4430 exactly
Let's not forget his stuntmen too. Many times the fall is just crazy
I would imagine my spine gets broken and paralysed
I remember in a movie. There's a scene where he was sliding down from a building. He said it was done without safety equipment and it was scary.
You do if you watch his outtakes.
I love how Jackie shows that heroes get hurt and feel pain. Makes them feel more human and realistic.
Jackie was the First John Wick.
The Rock could have been a much better action star had he learned this.
I grew up watching a lot of his movies and I'm kinda sad that he won't be making movies like that anymore.
He's old, it's understandable, but there is no real substitute either.
Discount Ostrich well hopefully he direct some movies
What about Tom Cruise
@@laslalal8451 he's also getting old, Keanu Reeves too
he still makes movies fyi
Tony Jaa in Ong Bak movie was good. And so does Iko Uwais in The Raid movie.
The most amazing thing about Jackie Chan is his humility. He says "Anyone can do it".
Everyone can do it
But, do everyone have patience to do it dozens more times or even hundreds more times
Thats what you call "give it your all"
And the outcome is different, like heaven and earth
@@senabondara1992 everyone cant do it. jackie trains every single day to do those stunts. some people will never be athelically capable of that.
@@johnmarkson1990 well maybe not everyone can be an action movie superstar, but thats not the real message he was giving - what he really said was : find ur own passion and dedicate ur heart to it - even if you have to fail 1000times in row u will eventually get there.
Jackie Chan's superhuman-like acrobatic skills come from his upbringing at the Peking Opera School, along with his "blood brothers" Sammo Hung and Yuen Baio. It was a gruelling experience, training every day in martial arts, acrobatics, singing and dancing. It was through their hard work as children that they were able to become such talented acrobatic stunt actors after they grew up.
@@johnmarkson1990 first of all, he was referring to the part where he throws the fan and it comes back to his hand. second, yeah, that's what he means by patience. he didn't say that everyone has the patience (though I believe he would say that theoretically, everyone does), he's saying that patience is more important than talent or skill.
"And the most difficult thing, is when I throw the fan and catch it coming back, more than a hundred and twenty takes! Those kind of scenes, "Aw! Jackie good!", it's not "good", YOU can do it! Except do you have the patient or not?"
I love this quote by Jackie. He's so humble, saying that anyone can do what he can, if only they would put in the time. It's both awe-inspiring, both to my respect to him as a person and to myself as someone who could become like him.
It's kind of sad that the only filmmakers who seem to have taken that lesson to heart are trick shot UA-camrs.
Jackie chan is dude perfect before dude perfect
“If the camera moves it means the actor can’t fight.” So true. The Raid: Redemption is a great example of good modern choreography. Don’t know if Jackie will ever be topped though. His work is timeless.
"Whatever you do, do the best you can because the film lives forever."
Tell that to giant movie franchises making mediocre movies like fastfood burgers.
As soon as I read this, the quote played.
Squidward : MeDiOcRe
*insert slideshow of the starwars sequels with herp alberts spanish flea here
I'd rather have the burger.
@@RandomAmerican3000 fitting pfp and name
The museum fight scene in John Wick 3 is a stellar example of directors who understand how Jackie works.
Those guys do a great job. The knife fight in the 3rd one is also excellent, one of the best fight scenes ever for me.
Don't you mean John Wick 2?
@@DeadGlassEyes Exempting Jackie’s work, that’s the best fight scene ever filmed.
@@OfentseMwaseFilms Right? It's just so clean. Great angles, great pace, brutal. It has it all for me.
Because they are originally martial arts experts, except keanu
The comparison between the direction in Jackie's fight scenes and American action scenes made me realize why I find the latter so boring and uninteresting. Most of the time when there are fighting scenes in movies (esp newer ones) I just can't wait for them to be over so we can get on with the story. The camera is always moving so fast and jumping here and there, it becomes hard to keep up. Jackie's scenes are genius and fun to watch. I need to check out more of his Hong Kong movies.
Quite so. One of the things Jackie does well, and almost no american action movies do well, is treat the fight as a miniature story of its own. With all the cuts in modern american action, there is no continuity to the miniature story that the actors are supposed to be telling with said fight.
Dark knight did the steady camera work pretty well.
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I met Jackie briefly in the early 2000's. He was doing David Letterman and I was outside. He was doing some sort of strange stunt in Times Square directing traffic or something. I wasn't actually able to see it because I was over at the theater, but I got to meet him later that evening by the studio. What an absolute friendly dude. Of all the celebrities I've met over the years, he is easily one of the nicest.
He is not just a fighter.
He is not just an actor.
He is an artist.
Edit: 3.9K likes!!! 😱
He is a legend
vinodztube he is also a singer
Performance artist
And he has a cute tushy!
vinodztube He is a CCP bootlicker
Loved this video. Phenomenal work, Honestly most mainstream movie fights today have been ruined to me thanks to fight scenes like this and The Raid franchise. They always look so slow and unskilled in comparison
JaxBlade I see you're a man of culture as well xD How about you do a video on Jackie-like workouts?
Always cool to see a comment from someone you're subbed too XD
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Jaki chan en respañol
Ay
Jackie Chan doesn't need to cut his fight scenes because his fight choreography is the best in the world. The blockbuster actors don't know how to do fight scenes so they have to edit everything to make them look better.
absolutely right
You know who could learn from Jackie Chan? The guys at Rooster Teeth. I've been watching the most recent episodes of RWBY and every single flaw with continuity during fight scenes is there - every character fights like they were in a Dragon Ball Z episode, flying everywhere, appearing in different places every shot, not to mention the "constant talking and doing nothing" sessions.
There are actually a few Hollywood movies which do that right. For example the John Wick trilogy, I think some Jason Statham and Tom Cruise movies. I'm btw very surprised by the good choreography and less cuts from the new "The Witcher" series on Netflix
@@chrisfalcon_vt the thing with RT is..... That's the point of the fight. The reason it's so dragonball-esque with the flying everywhere and flashy movements is because it's meant to be flashy. This is a world where girls can turn into roses and wields a massive scythe mixed into a barrett. 50cal. Don't expect anything too realistic out of a fantasy world like that
That's... interesting.
However, I felt that most fights lost that spark of creativity that Monty had.
When I think of the first seasons, I remember that characters used the environments to their hearts and acted accordingly, making the scenes far more natural and spontaneous.
In DBZ you had a reason for why the characters fought that way - Goku and everyone else moved faster than light, could crush mountains with laser beams, fly...
When I see this in RWBY, I commend the crew for trying, but in a series where the core of the fights reside in the environment-character binomial, very different from DBZ, where the focus of the fights is on how much the viewer could feel the bursts of power.
This also makes some fights, like the sea dragon attack with Blake and Sun or the RNJR fight against that Centaur thing very very odd.
In other words, a good premise may not guarantee a good result.
That death scene was pure comedy lol
he just dies
Worthy of the academy awards.
@@edgabrielocay3376 absolutely
Deadly move there Shanghai Testicle Twister 😢 the guy had no choice but die... 🙁
Yeah, but if the strike is strong enough, the resulting pain can literally shock you into death... Don't forget how sensitive the parts down there are. But then again, only Jackie could think of that scene and make it comedic too.
4:55
That's the most beautiful combat take I've ever seen it's just brilliant, fast paced and creative
What movie was that
Police Story 2.
that sequence is so good to repeat
@@MichaelHarris-xr4hn Police story 2, probably the best sequence of his career
@@enzocarneiro6748 nah that goes to Jackie vs Benny Wheels on Meals.
holy shit I forgot how much I love Jackie Chan
Real lovers never forget.
Yeah ...u must be reported then cuz u are a lier
How can you forget 😑
@@Masternaldo we must get him arrested..that bitch
Hey man, just wanted to let you know how much enjoyment and education your videos have brought me. We have a new battle coming out on Monday that you played such an inspirational role in, I snuck a shout out to your channel into the lyrics. Keep up the amazing work, and thank you. -nice peter
Nice Peter, being legit as always.. Fly high.
*(kubrick) stares in awe at this comment*
Huh, I was beginning to wonder if it was a more common quote, when I heard it in the video, but nice to hear you have a mutual appreciation for this channel.
I somehow missed this comment completely until people were sending me the video hahaha. Thank you, I appreciate the shout-out.
I knew that line sounded familiar...
Just another set of reasons why Jackie Chan is my favourite movie martial artist
One of the most renowned fight scenes in martial arts film history is Jackie Chan vs Benny "The Jet" Urquidez in Wheels on Meals (1984). In an interview, Benny revealed that they actually slept on the set for about a week or so in order to choreograph and shoot the sequence almost non-stop. The final fight scene of Drunken Master 2 (1994) aka The Legend of Drunken Master took four months to shoot as well. Jackie also allegedly holds the record for most takes in a single film due to the Jianzi game sequence in Dragon Lord (1982), which many say accumulated well over a thousand takes.
my favorite part from Wheels on Meals is when Benny's kick is so swift that it blows out the candles
@@KenjiAsakura09 On that note, anyone knows where to watch Benny's first movie 'Down the Drain'?
bun pyramid in Dragon lord has 1900+ takes.
This video, after almost 4 years, is still one of my favorite videos on UA-cam.
Over 4 years now, still one of my favorites.
@@winston11381 thanks for clarifying that lmao
Same here
Checking in from 2023, still awesome.
Now finally I realised why I always loved this kind of stunt comedy and why I never manage to see the replication of it anywhere
I swear when you're free... Take some snacks and drinks and just sit back and watch Jackie's movies. You'd be surprised there is so many of them and the most impressive part is that it still holds up very freaking well to this day. Amazing artist. Legend indeed!
the scene at 7:29 gave Jackie severe burns on his butt and lower back, multiple broken ribs, and I believe a concussion. after recovering he decided he didn't like the way that take looked and did it again. Quality takes second fiddle to nothing.
lol wut I didn't know that
Billy Villacis yeah, he once said that it was his most dangerous stunt. There would never be an actor as dedicated as him.
defume do you know wich movie it is?
Police Story
Bullshit it was one take he got severe burns on his hands and cracked ribs he didn't have enough film for a second take
I still come back to this video years later. I don't think anyone else has really explained Jackie's style and his work in a cohesive way as it is here. Even though more people are starting to realize how special Jackie Chan is as a filmmaker I hope more and more people take time to watch his films, particularly his work in Hong Kong cinema.
3:38
This reminds me of a similar point made in a completely different genre called "Bumping the Lamp" in animated cartoons. This term was made famous by the movie "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" when a scene occurred in the movie where a cartoon literally "bumps the lamp" in the scene and the light moved about the room causing various shadows to cast off the cartoon that was interacting with the world around him. To get the shadows right for this shot it took *incredible* amounts of effort from the various animators to detail the different shadows that went into the constantly changing lighting angles and how it interacted with the cartoon. It was a scene that went for the most part unnoticed by viewers, but added great immersion into the idea that these cartoons actually existed alongside real people in this half real, half cartoon world they existed in.
The point of this term, by encouraging people to "bump the lamp" in any genre, is that whether or not an audience member actually notices the amount of care that goes into scenes like Roger bumping the lamp or the many takes that Jackie put into kicking that shoe just right, it is always going to be noticed by *somebody* and will help to solidify the movie as being remembered for years to come as a timeless classic.
Regardless of how many takes it will cost, or how much time it will take, always bump the lamp.
i think we all notice it, but at a subconscious level - it 'feels real' but we can't pinpoint why so we think it's just a feeling not a factual sensory intuition: but that's more powerful because it makes us believe subconsciously that it's true, that we're watching something real, so the impact is greater, even though by now no audience is going to run out the theatre when they see a train coming
Steven Galiniak in my rank IP IP pl LM MP MP pl p LP
Jakie chan Jesus Christ a besoin de toi repent toi et sois sauver si non tu pasera l'eternité en enfer comme Bruce Lee ya encore de temp pour toi Jesus t'aime et a donné sa vie pour te sauvé.
Thank you.
I'm one of the millions Indian fan of Jackie Chan since my childhood, I love his movies very much, especially his 80s and 90s movies are best, evergreen and gives nostalgia... I have seen over fifty of his movies, watched and read a lot about him, already knew many points in this video... But some of points shows how great, passionate, hard working he is... He is way better than many hollywood action stars and one of the best film artist all over the globe
2:48 Final someone who understands! Shaky cameras drive me nuts.
You should watch residents evil the final chapter, you'll LOVE it.
I get nauseous during cheap ass shaky fight scenes.
The star wars lightsaber fights doesn't use shaky cameras right?
Shots fired to Resident Evil movies.
Their fight scenes are UTTER SHIT because of that.
JoeMakaFloe No they don’t but the new movies choreography is beyond shit. The prequels were superior to all the other films for the lightsaber choreography.
Sad thing is, the Jackie phenomenon seems all but over now despite him still being in good health. He maintained an incredible fitness level far longer than hardly anyone else, but he's just not capable of spectacular athletic feats like he used to be and it seriously limits any action sequences he participates in now. That's why I hope that he eventually transitions more into guiding the next generation's talent to replicate the thrill of his older work, though of course it would be hard to find anyone who could match his skill in his prime. Sammo Hung has done a great job choreographing fights for others (like Ip Man!), and I'd love to see Jackie follow the same path. I know he still has all the know-how in his head, so if he could just get a young body willing and able to do what he used to, it could produce great results. Don't get me wrong though, I still want him to also continue acting himself!
Jackie hasn't lost any passion for action movies ,it's just his body not supporting because of his age
I mean true but Jackie IS 67 years old, going or falling through props isn't exactly an ideal thing for someone that age especially when he does all his stunts in the movie😂
Well that is what he is doing, he is acting less and does more of advising plus politics. He knows that he is old and cannot make movies as good as before, but he will be forever remembered for what he has archived so far.
Jackie has been saying for years that he doesn't want to be an action star anymore. He wants to be a singer, or something less violent. He's definitely passionate about his work, but he does it because he's good at it. In multiple interviews, Jackie has said he wishes he could have been like a romance lead instead of an action lead. In all honesty, I think Jackie is relieved that his action career is kind of over. The man deserves a break from breaking his bones.
I've had an idea about that for a while now: a new Drunken Master starring Jackie Chan as the "Drunken Master" training a student. Given how "Drunken Master" launched Chan's career, it would be fitting if Chan himself plays the master role to a new student.
3:56 "It's not good. You can do it. Except do you have the patience or not." I think a lot of people forget that everything impressive takes time. Just drawing one piece of art, you have to sketch, ink, color the right way, shade the right way, and you often have to do this with more than one subject and a background. It takes hours, and that's before all the drawing that led you up to that point. You can do it, just do you put the time in to do it right?
This just made me notice that quite a lot of fight scenes in American movies are even hard to follow. There are so many cuts and so much movement that it is hard to see what is going on and who is who. Jackie Chan is just outstanding!
1% skills, 99% editing...
The camera thing on american action movies is cancerous... sometimes i have to rewatch the whole movie and even then i dont understand whats going on in some parts. Seems like they dont want us to realize whats going on.
Francisco Fregona yea
Cause they can't fight.
BreadisGreat
Cause the choreographers can't choreograph
I think it's more about time and dedication since Jackie's Hollywood movies also suffer from such camerawork even though he can fight and choreograph. American directors and cinematographers feel that they can shortcut the process by moving the camera around b/c it tends to hide mistakes and inconsistencies instead of doing them over and over.
Yeah, it's also just that many Western editors do terrible work, as shown in the video.
Another pro in Jackie's corner is that he's willing to literally break every bone in his body to get a good shot.
Tom Cruise is like the American Jackie Chan.
@@spenser9908 Tom Cruise has NOTHING on Jackie. You can't compare a legend such as Jackie Chan to Tom Cruise. Yes he does his own stunts but most of the time he has safety gear and wires while Jackie did everything without any safety gear and by himself
@@zaer-ezart I mean in terms of somebody willing to put their health and lives on the line to keep the audience's immersion in the narrative. Plus, Jackie Chan never had to hold his breath for six minutes under water or hang off the side of a flying plane. Tom Cruise also did hundreds of HALO jumps for one scene in a movie. Chan never did that.
@@spenser9908 who gives a crap about TC? This is a JC discussion, not a nameless american actor one
@@spenser9908 Man I don't know what these psycho fans are getting so butthurt about? 😂🤦 Jackie Chan is the goat, you're merely just complimenting him
"The audience doesn't know the rhythm's there until it's not there".
Like room tone in real life for sound workers.
Jackie's unique style was even in his animated cartoon. No wonder the man's a legend.
3.2k dislikes???? must be the Hollywood actors, directors and production companies checking in
Sometimes smart phone users hit the dislike by accident when scrolling down
bk13 E.T true this happened to me too
@@ali.aetwebi1118 wierd...never happened to me once....and if I did I would've easily noticed it to take off the dislike
Camron.D.Greatone their big EGOS got hurt
Jackie Chan supports the Chinese Communist Party & condemns the Hong Kongers who seek freedom & democracy - maybe that is why the down-votes have accumulated.
And this is why he won an Oscar for his career, legendary man and humble guy
Academy Awards don't deserve him.
But his right about one thing. Money ruins everything. No passion, just takes. Just the release day and the opening weekend. I think this is why we hold old movies as the best, still.
Sambridha Thapa He is old,can’t fight like a young person anymore
This makes me want to watch all his movies
You can!
Same
... again.
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You are SO RIGHT! Hollywood didn't know what to make of him. They made him a secondary character! A "buddy film"! And you pinpointed exactly the difference in the action scenes. That's why I love his own work. It's much superior. He is beauty in motion!
Jackie Chan deserves all the money he has down to every cent.
The guy is the most passionate person in the industry
everytime i watch this video, i feel really really sad knowing there will never be action comedy movie like jackie chan golden era...
thats reall sad. But Jackie was quite productiv..so we have a lot of great Jackie Chan Movies.
Hong Kong does these really well. Too bad many of the good ones are either unheard of in the west or poorly dubbed. And too many things get lost in translation.
Would you recommend some good Hong Kong titles for me? Your 'lost in translation' comment hit home with me, ever since I watched one of my favorite movies of all time (Kung Fu Hustle) English dubbed with some friends. I had seen it 10 times not dubbed, and it seemed like they changed a lot about the movie and it almost seemed like an entirely different movie.
+flyingthroughspaceonagiantrock fearless(jet li), ip man (donnie yen series), the viral factor (westerner may like it?), bodyguards and assassins(the one I like the most, maybe westerners don't enjoy it), once upon a time in China, the grandmaster (a real tribute to Chinese martial art, took 4 years of filming for one 1 minute fight scene, again westerner may not enjoy it), kung fu jungle(donnie yen), and finally, project A and the most famous police story series (Jackie chan). Hope these are enough for u
look up movies by jackie chan's "brothers" like sammo hung and yuen biao.
It's so wild to me how american directors will get Jackie Chan to fight in their movie then proceed to not show Jackie Chan fighting in their movie
yeah it feels very different that what I use to see Jackie's fights in my childhood
They got the best man they could but they do not let him work his magic
i love jackie chan since i was a younger adult now 43 years of age. this man has brought me joy over the years and his movies are bar to none.
I think thats why John Wick did so good. It uses wide angles and shows the entire action.
Well, John Wick isn’t exactly what I would call a comedy, but I see your point.
Wick definitely maintains a rhythm in its fight scenes. Nice example!
@@markparkinson6378 No, but it tells a story. It has something to say.
@@markparkinson6378 It isn't really comedy but there is a lot of it in each fight scene
Yes that's why john wick fight scenes are so good..
5:51 is actually so subtle its crazy how effective that is
ua-cam.com/video/LlMvFf4J2nk/v-deo.html
When filmmaking becomes science... And Hollywood understood none of all that...
A character fuckup I've noticed Hollywood keeps trying to force Jackie Chan into is a nice guy teamed up with an egocentric "funny" man. Nobody wants to see the nice guy beat up! That's why, in his Hong Kong movies, he was always kind of a cocky bastard himself (even a total douche in Police Story) so there was just a LITTLE extra satisfaction with seeing him getting punched in the face :D
+Jack Caliber honestly thats why i respect him he wants his moives to be nice.
+Jack Caliber I didn't remember seeing him as a douchbag in police story
+Ckyntosh
I remember in Police Story, he made his fellow cop disguise as a murderer and scare a girl who is a witness, just to convince her that she'd be safe with Jackie.
+Jack Caliber never noticed but you are totally right!
+YoungKoolness17 Perspective is everything, lol.
I know you are old now. But my childhood is complete because of you.
Your my idol since I was 6yrs old..thank you for making us happy 🥺💗 JC.
I think most of directors dont recognize martial arts as an ART. Only if a director can taste and appreciate the martial arts as an art then it will be delievered to the screen in more sensible way.
Most martial arts strikes can be divided by 2 shots. However, each uses is different. Judo need to have close up first to register enemy reaction alongside with the grab, and then a wide shot to emphasise the heaviness, in striking, most start with a wide shoot and then a close up to emphasise power.
All martial arts do have grappling techniques, they’re just some utilise more. Judo actually have punch however you can’t use it in tournament because they utilise throws and locks.
To emphasise how powerful the momentum of the throw, you need a frames to show the full spin of the throw and see the opponent bounces off after hitting the floor. To emphasise lock, you need to see how the enemy can’t move in full body shot and see the consequences of it alongside with crisp audio cue instead of making the action imperceptible.
In the end, the lesson is to never let your action actually imperceptible as most movie features hand to hand combat actually has a lot of unclear hit, which making all action has less impact than you expect from the move.
In Chinese movie award there is one call best action director award. No such thing in West.
very true man. i mean look at the raid , undisputed fight scenes are godly cause they just show the fight scene in a free flowing motion. hollywood fight look like someone with parkinsons edited/directed them. its soooooo irritatingly fidgety and shaky.
I think with the rise of MMA, the directors now a days wanna make the fights gritty and a big ball of grapples and awkward positions because that's probably what they interpret from seeing MMA. Not defending their stupid logic, but just noticing more and more trying to use more "realistic" fighting while also butchering it both in editing and in creatively/authenticity. John Wick is a good example of what they wanna do done right....mostly. It still cuts cameras a lot.
I've followed your channel since your Edgar Wright video, and I recently mentioned your channel to my head lecturer - I'm at a film University - and recommended watching your videos. He came back and said he's hugely impressed with your work! I think he said he's gonna use your videos in some lectures. They're brilliant videos - and for a film student they're so helpful and great videos to learn from - honestly thanks so much for making them! :)
Jackie NEVER used a stunt man. he redid dangerous stunts multiple times if he didn't find it to his liking
When he did I figure it was due to his age or his American films where the money holders are so adverse to risk.
thats right, he always did his own stunts when he worked for hong kong films and when he was younger
Actually, most of his crew worked that way. I once watched a credit of his movie, and there's a scene where the main villain have to drop from the 2nd floor and they DID exactly that, even takes up to more than 4 takes
For Hongkong Movie YES
Hate to disappoint you but you're wrong. If you watch the end credits of City Hunter, there's a fella wearing the exact same outfit as Jackie helping him up in the last fight.
This breakdown was used in a reference between a guy named Destiny and Dropping the podcast. The fact this one is 8 yrs old but they both knew exactly what the other was talking about brought me here. Very good breakdown
You explain in this video a principle of action film making that I really wish people had a greater awareness of. So many action scenes in mainstream Hollywood movies are just terribly edited and choreographed because they try to get out of actually shooting action scenes in favor of using camera and editing tricks to create the illusion of action. And for those of us who are aware of these techniques, they look cheap. One of the worst culprits I've seen in recent memory was the 4th pirates of the Caribbean movie. There is literally almost no genuine action in that movie. It's nearly 100% an illusion of editing. And not a very effective illusion, at that.
+The Amazing Atheist Explains why I find all the action scenes these days boring. I rather watch the plot moving than people fighting.
Shut up TJ you're garbage!!!
+1 Right. man
My respect for Jackie Chan has increased 1000 fold, to do that many takes to perfect his craft and produce a quality scene for the audience is simply amazing!
01:58 CLARITY!
Ah, that's why I can't enjoy Bourne kind of fighting, I don't even know what's going on and who punches who..
Same thing in every film genre. Muck around with camera shots and FX and doubles and editing to make it look like famous no-talents can actually fight. Or dance. Or anything.
Some of the audience is always gullible enough to believe everything they see. But lack of talent is still lack of talent, obvious no matter how fancy you dress it up.
True, i be like oh he's fighting now? Whoa what he's down bourne wins? Cool, i guess.
I agree. That's why "action films" these days bore me to tears. And yet the public raves about them. You can't see anything
Shaky cam/handheld CAN be used well, if the situation calls for it and if the director knows what they're doing. Most of the time, however, it is really a cheap gimmick that has unfortunately become standard so that studios can spend as little time and money and effort to train stuntmen
#ShakyCam
Tony is back, so I had to re-watch this ❤
I wish Bruce Lee could have lived to see his doting fan and stuntman in his true stylish glory. I am convinced that as an aspiring film maker, if they met again years later Bruce would have been the one fangirling and they would have ended up making some incredible work together.
Yeah, it's quite sad.
Jackie may never have become popular if not for the death of Bruce because after he died there were so many imitators trying to be the next Bruce Lee, while Jackie went in a different direction.
MGS sucks.
Michael Abramov I no longer care enough to stick up for it so...sure whatever you say.
darthkahn45 MGSV is the worst game ever.
After seeing some of his movies from Hong Kong I earned a new respect for Jackie. He's easily the best action actor alive. His fighting scenes in the Police Story trilogy outmatch anything produced by Hollywood!
I thought Th Police Story has 4 movies.., the last one is The Police Story : First Strike. That the last Police Story movie when Jackie Chan Still Using the Character of policeman Chan Ka Kui. There's still another 2 Police Story movie, The New Police Story and a remake Police Story 2013, but this 2 movies is not a movie for Chan Ka-Kui, you can say it as totally a different story.
But the original "The Police Story" has 4 movies. It's not trilogy.
Hollywood is shit
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Jackie Chan fights with the strangest objects
Refrigerator doors, ladders, legos (lol), chairs, tables etc
Put him in a Home Depot and he's invincible
Thomas Muller 7-1 this comment made my day.
dont you dare fight him in IKEA, just dont!
Scenario: Jackie Chan fighting Macgyver in a Home Depot. Who would win?
Jackie should just become an action comedy director and producer for Hollywood films now. He genuinely understands how a good movie should be shot.
Understanding is one thing, getting the American studios to cooperate is another.
@@jp3813
It's especially true when film studios is weighted down by pressure about loss and profit to the shareholders and not about making a great movie for the audiences.
Hollywood entertainment is creepy and that why Jackie Chan choose stay in Hongkong and be a mentor for young actor now.
Sissies in Hollywood get triggered super easily today. Waste of time. Forget about it.
@@felixdom9693 he traded Hong Kong for Chinese communist party. And lives in China. Check your facts before going public.
I've always loved Jackie's style of action comedy, even as a kid. Great work!
Sams ChanneI I loved it more as a kid haha, but it is still so impressive.
Sams ChanneI Awww thank you, Its fans like you that I truly enjoy making films for you all!!! lol
***** WTF? Haha
+CoLomBiaSauriO please just tell me now, WHAT IS A GOD DAMN CC BUTTON
+Minh Phi Guillod Hahaha it is right there in the player, it is a big button that says CC, but you have to go into the subtitle options and select "English (Movie Titles)" to watch the movie titles.
i loooooove the dissection of a master like this. Without vids like this, I would simply enjoy a master like jackie chan and not appreciate to a fuller extent what he's doing and why I'm enjoying it so much. Thank you!!
Over 1200+ Hollywood """""action choreographers""""" disliked this video because they can't direct for shit.
Grev McGrevington
I love that extra sarcasm you had to put for that.
That makes total sense why the new TMNT's action scenes have felt so amazing and satisfying. Wide shots showing the action clearly, with all the the benefit being that skilled animators are needed instead of a bunch of stunt actors. I knew Jackie Chan was in the movie, but I didn't realize how much of his style was injected into the film as well with wide shots showing clear action.
Why is John Wick so good? Because Keanu Reeves trained like a madman for the movie. Action stars are not skilled or trained enough, not committed enough.
Hollywood movie making is like assembly factory, we will fix with clever editing and/or cgi and make a big fancy trailer.
Have you actually watched a John Wick movie? The action scenes are brilliantly shot and edited and follow many of the principles laid out in this very video.
exactly. look at the marvel movies. they can even computer generated Tony stark. its no longer acting or filming. just all generated.
Even in Raging Bull, which isn't even an action movie, Robert De Niro trained with the REAL JAKE LA MOTTA in order to play Jake La Motta, and that has some of the most well executed boxing scenes in history!
@@joesinister Also, one of the directors is a stuntman and stunt coordinator.
@@joesinister he is saying that john wick is good. Read again
I think recent American action and dance films both suffer from sequences with to many cuts; which really only seem like they are there to cover up the performers lack of skill.
It exhausts your eye, and isn't anywhere near the thrill of a less complicated sequence with framing that allows the movements of some skilled performers to be seen in their entirety.
I adore this series, keep up the good work!
YesShesTheTallOne Anytime somebody brings up modern musicals, I always bust out this sequence: ua-cam.com/video/SND3v0i9uhE/v-deo.html
There are less than a dozen shots in 4 minutes. Top that.
That final fight at the end of the first Hunger Games comes to mind. Watched it like 3 times and still had no clue what was happening amidst the constant cuts and general darkness of the scene.
***** Yeah, that was pretty bad too. More understandable in that case though - big CGI trolls and people dressed as orcs look more realistic with lots of movement. Also the fact that there were like 7 main characters all fighting 3 orcs at a time with the troll stomping about all over the place probably didn't help either. Hunger Games was just 3 fucking people, no CGI or elaborate costumes or anything.
Not just action, but ALL film genres suffer from this.
***** The first Hunger Games has awful action scenes, and is pretty lame in general. The next two are much better.
This is how Hollywood should do their fights, no excessive cuts, crappy choreography, shaky cameras, or funny camera angles.
In order for Hollywood to do fight scenes like this they need an actor as physically skilled as Jackie... name one.
They dont have the crew bro. The actor is just on dramas not in action.
Marko Zaror.
John wick is a jem within coal
@@wiiiilsoooon Keanu Reeves he's not as skilled as Jackie...but he's as dedicated as him
As an editor and composer myself I can tell you that it’s not that editors and directors lack talent … it’s that the studio DEMANDS product at an entirely unreasonable rate. I gave up being a film composer (even though I still do for certain clients) because I’d be given 2-3 months to edit a film .. and a week to write an orchestral score for the same film, and the directors and producers could never seem to understand what was taking so long). Jackie’s work is exceptional for all the reasons you’ve pointed out .. but the underlying nature is that the studio lets them have the time needed to do it right. We often don’t get that luxury here in the west.
There's no form of entertainment that doesn't put you on hard unrealistic deadlines that make it difficult to do your best work.
In triple A game studios just about everything nowadays comes out day one with a huge patch, game has no optimization, and it plays like an alpha build cause it is since they didn't have time to finish.
Originally games had to ship a finished product that has to be fully ready before release so it could be on shelves for release. I miss when it was the expectation to make something feature complete at release with maybe a couple dlcs to add content and playtime.