@@drew2626 I actually tested it with the games that were known to run ok on it with 10 and it's the same performance with 11. As long as you got 8GB of ram minimum everything works exactly the same. I tested this on many older computers just to see what they can do and it's fine. Also tested it on 2nd gen i7,AMD FX,I7 7th gen,Intel Core 2 Quad...they can all handle it
Man, I love those old, gamer-aggressive cases. That was back when case companies didn't really care so much about thermals because aesthetics were top dog. Then again, back then parts didn't get nearly as hot as they do now. These days they can't get away with ignoring thermals because phrases like "space heater", and "house fire" come up at every design meeting, lol.
What a beast the 1070 was. 8 years is quite a while. Add a well optimised game like RE4R and you can easily still do 1080p60 medium-low today. And FSR2 does help in a pinch.
My good old 1070ti build from 6 years ago is still a decent 1080p gaming PC today but I've been using it as a media center for a while now since I've built myself a new one. I'll be passing down the old PC to my lil bro soon since he just graduated and is in need of a PC to work and game on but has no money to build one.
It wasn't exactly a beast, but it was very decent, had (uncharacteristically for Nvidia) plenty of ram and was affordable (I still remember you could get it for almost as low as $300 around Black Friday 2016)
I would argue that the Geforce 4 Ti (especially the 4200) and the 8800 (especially the GT) deserve to be in the GPU hall of fame. The Ti 4200 offered amazing performance and did not only beat the FX 5200 but also the 6200 with no problems. And the 8800 GT came at a midrange price but offered highend performance. I don't see a 4080 Super at the price of a 4060 Ti anywhere.
@@richardp3350900 series is great due to how long they lasted, still getting driver updates despite being like 10 years old, and still running game relatively fine.
bruh I just did the same but I installed a 580 and gave it to my friend. Dude sends me a clip of him playing beamng driving a truck and slams into 10 cars and then does a thumbs up which I guess equates to him being happy about it
Finally a video I can relate to. I'm still rocking an i5-6500 and GTX 1660 Super. It still runs everything I need it to, so I don't plan to upgrade anytime soon. I'm not generally into twitchy games anyway, so a little lower framerate is fine with me.
I bought a 1650ti ryzen 4600H laptop just an year ago and am pretty happy for now. Its my first device w/ dedicated gpu with my 1st salary and i don't get much time to play since graduation 😞
This. First rule when thinking of upgrading is "Does my current system do what I want it to?". If yours does, then carry on rocking! Way too much of the tech influencer scene is people selling you high end stuff the vast majority don't actually need. Which is why I like Dawid, it's clearly good fun entertainment rather than buying advice
@@peterwstacey Exactly. There is always the "do I need to upgrade if I want to do [that], and what do I need for it" and there is the "how much money am I willing to spend and how much can I get for it"
@@peterwstacey Lol I acknowledge I don’t need to upgrade but I do it because it’s fun and it’s my hobby. If it was a matter of need, I’d still be on my old i7-8700 and GTX 1060 6GB. But now I’m rocking a 14900K and 4090, planning to sell off the 14900K and buy the KS when its out, just for fun. Gonna love tweaking that chip.
The GTX 10 series were definitely the most beautiful Founders Edition ever. BTW, you don't have to remove the entire shroud to repaste. There's a few screws that holds down just the heatsink & window part of it that'll give you access to the die without taking out that many screws.
The 700 and 900 cards had a simple design without being overly edgy. 8but the cooler wasn't that great in a well ventilated case, in some tight OEM case maybe fine, typical blower cooler) The 10 series went a bit too far for me, the 20 series went a step back and was more understated again and the 30 and 40 cards look very industrial. And the 8800 GT back in the day looked amazing. So much power in such a small and sleek package. Sadly the cooler didn't do that well in terms of cooling.
And good design out weighs flashy RGB garbage I like the minimalist looks of older 10 series cars card especially the black titan card that thing is nice
Still my favorites too. They just feel pleasingly heavy and are obviously good quality, I like how simple it is to clean the heatsink as well without having to do much disassembly. 20 series were pretty cards too but I love the 10 series the most.
Awesome video my dood! I upgraded my PC and gave my GF my old build that has the same i7 - 1070 combo. She mostly plays The Sims 4 with a million mods. I am happy my old PC got a new owner.
9:43. That max memory speed that's listed in the CPU specs is a guarantee that any CPU can run memory at that speed, (Intel/AMD would owe you a free CPU replacement if your CPU couldn't run memory at that speed).That also means that any memory speed above that is considered as overclocking the memory controller, and it's outside of that guarantee. So, on a motherboard that doesn't support XMP/memory overclocking, the highest memory frequency you can run is the one that's listed in the CPU specs. That 3200Mhz JEDEC kit would run at 3200Mhz in recent prebuilts since recent CPUs can run at 3200MHz without overclocking.
Thanks so much for doing this one. I don't have this Lenovo system specifically, but I've been using the same pair of the 6700 / GTX1070 in my system for years now. I ran into exactly the same problem with RAM, the system is limited to 2133MHZ. I upgraded recently from 16gb to 32gb because a few modern games (Wonderlands, Baldur's Gate) were really getting into RAM limitation issues. The big benefit of this setup is the balance. As noted, the CPU / GPU are extremely well-paired with one another, and it's rare to max out the GPU without the CPU coming close. This means that the setup has lasted a long time and really maximized usability of the components. Unfortunately, the big problem with this setup is upgradability - the CPU / GPU / MB are all so well-paired with one another that there isn't really room to upgrade one without running into the limitations of the others, and the only real upgrade path left is to sell the system in a craigslist knife-fight and build a new one altogether.
one of my older PCs - 3770K+980Ti still holds well for modest gaming :) and my current setup - 5820K+1080Ti can still handle ultrawide 1440p (with FSR in recent games)
They do and they're terrifying. There's usually some funky function key sequence to unlock it. It would be so much fun to see Dawid mess around with that.
Seeing your title I gotta add that I am currently watching this video with a 20 ish year old PC. Dell Dimensions 9150 running a Pentium D processor. I've curated this and running Linux Lite and it holds up, watching your videos in 1080p. Having lots of fun watching your videos so keep them coming! Happy holidays too, Dawid!
I dig the case a lot. Something tells me that the motherboard is standard mini ITX and perhaps you can rig your own shroud to combine with a 92mm tower cooler to replace the OG CPU cooler
That does a lot. Could even go more ghetto and just use a paor (or three) fans on it. I did that with my 8800 GT back in the day and got temps down by 30°C on the stock single slot cooler.
I'm running a setup even older than this: An i7 4790k on a Z90P motherboard with 32GB of 1600mhz DDR3 and until recently a 1080 Founders Edition and with similar settings, I get similar performance to what you found, It even handled MS Flight 2020 reasonably well. I recently upgraded to a 12GB RTX3060 which I'm sure I'm not getting the full benefit from but still quite an Improvement.
Old PC's can still be really good, an AMD gpu might help more, since they make gaming easier on the cpu, but I still have a rig that has a X3440 and RX6800 combo. Its fairly well balanced in a bunch of games actually.
Interesting to see that machine show up here since it's kind of the small brother of what I built from mostly used parts. I'm also running an i7 6700 but with a 1080 ti FE that has been converted to be cooled by a 280mm AiO (the blower cooler is terrible in terms of noise and performance), 32GB of ram and a Samsung 980 pro. Can't really complain about it's performance in things other than the craziest new releases.
The utilization issues in GTA 5 are almost certainly due to being single thread bound on the main game thread. 3700 Mhz on a Skylake core just isn't enough to push any higher, despite the cpu as a whole still having unused multi thread capacity.
CPU hovers around 65-70% during the test, that is about 5-6 of the available 8 threads. Feels about right. Performance is still good. Frametime graph is pretty smooth and framerate stays above 60. A higher clock (in the usual 4.3-4.7 GHz basically all the chips from Sandybridge to Skylake can do) would help, but isn't really neccesary. On the other hand, there is still some GPU headroom, so downsampling or going up to 1440p
i have a laptop with a 1070mq. they actually used a die for a 1070ti so the 'mq' would have the same performance even though its a lower wattage than a 1070 mobile. also, 10 series had the closest performance to desktop variants being on average only 10% away from the full size. these days the laptop '90' is more like a desktop 60 series
4th gen will always hold a special place in my heart. I’ve been using 4th gen cpu’s in my pc since 2015, starting with a i5 4440, now a xeon e5-2667 v2, which is still 4th gen. Oh, and also my parents pc has a i7 4790 so that’s pretty interesting. I don’t think that cpu has been above 10% utilization in years.
i just upgraded from an i5 4770 and a gtx 960 it was great for the older games and i played cyber punk at low with about 35fps im now using it as my internet surfing and its great for you tube and watching streams at 1440
Re-pasted my 1080 FE a couple of times when I had mine. Just so you know, you don't have to fully disassemble the card. You can remove the shroud on top of the heatsink. From there you can remove and clean the heatsink and get access the the die itself. All in all, maybe 16 screws? It's pretty quick believe it or not 😅.
I built a mITX Strix board with a 6700K, strix 1070, 16GB of DDR4 2400 and an SF650 in a Fractal Node case and it works great for a LOT of games. I'm not playing Cyberpunk at 4k but SWTOR, MWO, Stray, DA Inquisition and a lot of last gen and older games run amazing (at 1080) I keep it at the PC shop I work at and play on it every day with no regerts. And YES, the ram speed is limited to 2133 with the 6th gen, even with a high end strix board.
I had a 6600k and GTX 1070 FE back in the day, I am actually really surprised on how well this system held up. Temps on the 1070 are normal, that was just the way they were. This was back before anyone had discovered the benefits of undervolting so I just gamed with headphones.
There’s usually a way to enter a more advanced menu in the bios that lets you adjust the ram frequency. I can’t remember it off the top of my head but my hp prebuilt had the same thing and I had to hold like ctrl and press f10 or something to enter the advanced menu for the bios where I was able to set my ram to 3600mhz
I’m still using a 4770K system built in 2013 combined with a 2080Ti that I swapped in back in December 2018. The system is now 10 and a half and runs everything I throw at it without too much fuss. Other than RTX being off it runs Hogwarts Legacy, a game released in 2023, on 1440p Ultra without issues.
This video reflects that much of the actual gains in gaming performance has not been in the GPUs as much as in the RAM speed and memory controllers on the motherboards. I think that even choked on RAM speed, this system would have cranked 150-180fps on fortnite, which would keep the kiddies (and not so kiddies) happy. There is a point where the performance gains are just not worth the absolute cost. I think if you tried the 1070 in say a 5800x or similar system, you would find it more than capable of doing the job nicely to a level that most people would never complain about.
I bought a used 1080ti a few years ago. Noticed it was a bit loud and running a bit warm. Repasted the card and temps dropped over 10c and fan speed nearly dropped by half. It didn't perform any better really as it still wasn't quite thermal throttling, but it was a hell of a lot quieter, and gave me some good headroom for OC.
During the initial dark ages of Covid, when all graphics cards were worth their weight in gold, I was building an audio workstation/gaming machine. 16 cores/32 threeads, 64gb of ram, super-fast storage...just a glorious machine. But, I had to reuse a pair of 1080 graphics cards in SLI. I used that setup for 2 years, and it played games surprisingly well.
I had a system with a 1070 and an i7 2600k with a massive cooler and overclocked to hell. I really loved it as the 2nd gen i7 with oc basically performs something like a 6th gen i7 stock. Still my favourite pc config that I ever owned.
Hi David, great video. These things are still surprisingly good today, given their age. Moreover, the 1070 and the 1080 tune very nicely. 8 out of 10 will run with +100MHz curve on stock volts, i.e at 1995, where yours was pegged at 1860. Just a few clicks in the Afterburner :)
I just upgraded from a 12 year old PC, a 4.4ghz 3770K.. and tbh it's pretty capable and not that bad for gaming still. I did upgrade the graphics card one time though from a GTX 570 to 1070. And I'm still using the 1070 in my new build till the new Nvidia series cards come out.
Wow haven't seen a BTX case in years. If I had that case I would mod the top screened areas with a more open type of screen for better airflow to the system and the graphics card, that would help pull those temps down. And probably make a filter you could remove and clean eastly. I like the look of that case, might have to see if I can find one myself. Though would change those leds to a blue, not as shocking to the eyes when playing in a darkened room. Just my preference is all, not a big red fan. And it's funny on that card as I have a EVGA GTX 1070, though not a founders edition but still a worthy card and still going strong today on an old build of mine. Though it needs a power supply now as a storm took that out. Guess I need to fix that old UPS I have and get it back up to protecting those systems. Just need about 100 dollars of batteries for it though that's fairly cheap for a pure sine wave ups considering it's a 350 dollar unit. That old system plays games like Warframe beautifully, and all the Fallouts including that Dumpster fire of a game called Fallout 76. Skyrim and tons of other games. Won't buy the new Loading screen simulator from Bethesda you know..... Star Field. Though do keep tabs on it to see if it's improving. Yep Bethesda taught me a really hard lesson on pre buying into a game. Never again from them. Still has win 7 on that old system, it's great for older games. And the ASUS P5E Deluxe motherboard won't do Win 10 after one of Microsoft's updates, so had to revert back to Windows 7 which I like anyway. Can still load and play a lot of my old game library on it that Windows 10 just won't do. And no not a Windows 11 fan will wait as long as possible or just go ahead and pull the trigger on Linux full time. Which that older system won't mind in the least. Well I'm slowly building a new system with a Lian lee case I have always wanted, and finally got it when it went on a really good sale. Can you still get BTX motherboards ?
Picked up a comp with 6700k 1080 plus 16gb ram a year back and my daughter uses it....very happy and its quite snappy...1500swedish crowns which is nothing these days
Its pretty cool seeing this old hardware get benchmarked. Im still using the same old system I've mostly unupgraded for years now. I'm getting solid 1080p performance off my I5 4690K and an RX 580 8Gb model.
4:49 herdoedoe😂 I bought a HP minipc for desktop use but then ended up connecting a GTX1070 to it with a ADT-link M.2 to PCie adapter. HDPlex 250W passively cooled PSU for the GPU. Also modded a overkill-size heatpipe cooler the the CPU to keep it real silent and cool (i7-7700T). Installed the cooler thru a hole made into the PC case. The whole system built into a few liter aluminium rack. Really surprised how it handles the games, even pretty new ones.
If you like small form factor gaming PCs, there's the Asus G20CB. It has an Intel I7 6700, 16GB of RAM and a GTX 980. There is also the Asus G20CI with a GTX 10 series graphic card.
The phrase "Intel quadcore dark ages" is just too perfect... I was started feeling this only a few years after getting my i5 4690k where it was a serious bottleneck because of the 4 cores. My pretty basic laptop from a few years back has better single and multi-core CPU performance than it. I'm happy to say that tomorrow (hopefully) I will finally upgrading to a Ryzen CPU :D
Great video Dawid. It does always make me eye roll when Nvidia brings new upscaling tech to their flagship cards while ignoring the old ones. Love the retro dives as always!; Happy Holidays!
We had a good laugh about that, Jenson must have been spitting feathers when FSR improved the 1070 and above so much, I have two Nephews and 1 pal running cheap 1070 builds, they are fine casual gaming cards still.
too funny! I'm away from my usual rig and using one with a 6600k and 1070 while watching this! It's not the same experience as my usual, but gaming is fine/playable for Wolcen and TinyTina's Wonderlands at 2k. I don't have a fps counter, but the pc is doing the work -- now the internet is causing havoc, but that's not the pc's fault.
I have a Lenovo P520 and purchased a used PNY xlr8 1070 OC for it, plays Fallout 4 and Witcher 3 on ultra reasonably well and there wasn't much difference in performance to a 2050 or 3050 if I remember correctly. The card suits me fine for only spending $100 on it and the whole PC was just about $350 for graphics, ram, 900w psu, and cpu even though it's locked at 2666 mhz Ram speed. Cant use anything more or less but that's not a problem for me.
Pre builts typically cheap out on motherboards because most people are focused on the GPU first and CPU second. More often than not you'd find lower tier B boards or even H boards in there. Swapping it out would probably gain you performance.
Looks like the Mantis helmet from Starfield. I tested a 1080 with a 4th gen i7 recently as I am getting ready to do a build for sale. I was genuinely surprised by the results, even when I decided to hook it up to my 1440p monitor for giggles. It is pretty much on par with a RX 6600 XT, to put it into modern terms. The RAM speed may be a factor but GTAV is basically being limited by single thread CPU performance.
Ha! My main PC is a bit older than this, i7-5960X, and yes it can still game. Though yes there are times I wish I had something better. I don't think I have ever seen this Lenovo case before, I like the overall looks. I would say it's still a fine system if you, like I, can't afford anything better. The RAM speed is annoying, but not surprising. I have quad channel 64GB on a good expensive at the time ASUS mainboard, but I can't make the RAM go faster than 2667. Cool video, thank you for sharing.
@@ineligible2267 I don't really have modern games that are demanding as I haven't bought a new AAA release in a few years due to being completely poor. The last demanding game I bought was Cyberpunk when it was a few months old and I don't think my i7 is bottlenecking it at all. I have a GTX1660 Super and it always runs between 93-99 percent there with my CPU being MUCH lower. Perhaps it would be a problem with Starfield or The Finals, but with zero money I don't see me buying them even if suddenly they appeared on GOG (my store of choice). The one area where I do feel bottlenecking is outside of games, in video editing.
My laptop I'm watching YT on right now is an i5-6300hq and a 1060 (6GB) and it does me fine. My daily driver has a 12th gen i9 and a 3070 in and it runs games pretty well but did suffer from overheating in the Summer until I liquid metalled it
My PC is nearly 8 years old now and still runs well. It's an i5 7600K on an Asus Z270H with an Asus Rog Strix 1070Ti and 32GB of 3200 DDR4. It's still Ok for VR and flatscreen gaming.
As someone who uses a 2012 machine with a 2017 GPU and a 2009 machine with a 2013 GPU on a daily basis I can say, a lot can be done even with older hardware. Sadly the overclocked i5-3570K keeps holding back the GTX 1060 But non-K overclock is a thing on the platform, just needs the right BIOS. I've seen 4.3-4.6 on locked chips. And while the CPU officially only supports DDR4-2133, all that stops the system from running faster is the availability of options in the BIOS. In said 3570K build I'm running a pair of DDR3-1600 sticks on DDR3-2000 just fine, even though the CPU doesn't officially support it. Pretty sure throwing a decent Z170 board in would allow to run the i7-6700 around 4.5 GHz and the RAM around DDR4-3000 The 1070 also has some more headroom. 1911 MHz and under 65 °C in GTA means you could push maybe 100-150 MHz extra and land in the usual 2000-2100 MHz range. (My 1060 runs +140 core and +625 memory for 2114 MHz and 9244 MT/s) For BF V cooling needs to be improved a bit, but nothing that taking off the shroud and a pair of case fans can't solve. And since you've thrown Starfield in, it wouldn't hurt testing Skyrim and Fallout 4 as well. Sure, they are older, but people who would play Starfield, would also play the older Bethesda games. In fact, both have more players than Starfield right now. Maybe Witcher 3 and Apex Legends Oh, and the be quiet fans are indeed a good option. Not the price of a kidney like the Corsair or Noctua fans, but quite good for the price.
This is a really well balanced system. I have an overclocked i7 4790k and a overclocked gtx 1660 and i find that the best thing to do is lock the fps to 40 fps to get rid of all the lagspikes caused by the cpu. This pc is still under starfields minimun spec a i7 6800 and gtx 1070ti but i have mixed low and medium settings and get a stable 30 fps. In Gta you are just cpu bottlenecked like me since a faster cpu would get you around 130 fps on very high settings with grass on high, you need something like a 3700x. Dont even try BF2042 128 players with a 4 core. Still a great PC that plays the latest games at high fidelity and smooth frames if you lock that badboy down to 40fps.
im gaming in an alienware aurora r4 (2013). i just upgraded tot 32gb ram and a 2060 over the years. I can ensure you i have a great gaming expierience! The only reason i bought a new laptop today is only because i needed a mobile solution. But if this wasnt the case i would use my aurora r4 at least 5 more years.
Yeah the 1070FE needs the fan curve ramped up. The blower can move a ton of air, it's just louder than a 3 axial fan solution. Can usually get +150~200core/+500mem out of it too.
I'm still running a 2017 HP Omen I7 8700, 1070gpu, only upgraded the ram to 32gb and it still gets 100fps on F1 2023 high settings, 60-100fps on Rust, that'll still do me nicely
the graphics card and the specs holds up well regardless of how old it is, i'm honestly impressed
A 22 year old pc would like to say otherwise 😂
Not well enough for Windows 11, lol
@@AndersHass Windows 11 can install easily on anything that can run 10. I installed it on an old 4th gen i5 and it runs perfectly
@@Mirra2003-f9syeah but you you probably aren’t gaining on it
@@drew2626 I actually tested it with the games that were known to run ok on it with 10 and it's the same performance with 11. As long as you got 8GB of ram minimum everything works exactly the same. I tested this on many older computers just to see what they can do and it's fine. Also tested it on 2nd gen i7,AMD FX,I7 7th gen,Intel Core 2 Quad...they can all handle it
Man, I love those old, gamer-aggressive cases. That was back when case companies didn't really care so much about thermals because aesthetics were top dog. Then again, back then parts didn't get nearly as hot as they do now. These days they can't get away with ignoring thermals because phrases like "space heater", and "house fire" come up at every design meeting, lol.
Imma be honest, they could sell that today and I wouldn’t have known it was a design from 2015😂
My aging 8700K would like to disagree with you lol
Its hot even with a decent 240mm AiO.
Still has better airflow than an Alienware 😂👍🏻
@@black_baguette I agree, it’s also made of surprisingly good materials. It’s held up super well.
@@Adrianwe44 LMAO, so true. Each Alienware should come with a BDSM safe word with all the choking it does.
What a beast the 1070 was. 8 years is quite a while. Add a well optimised game like RE4R and you can easily still do 1080p60 medium-low today. And FSR2 does help in a pinch.
I still use the 1070 for mostly-high settings gaming
Unfortunately I have a blower card, so it sounds like a permanent wind storm whenever I’m gaming
My good old 1070ti build from 6 years ago is still a decent 1080p gaming PC today but I've been using it as a media center for a while now since I've built myself a new one.
I'll be passing down the old PC to my lil bro soon since he just graduated and is in need of a PC to work and game on but has no money to build one.
It wasn't exactly a beast, but it was very decent, had (uncharacteristically for Nvidia) plenty of ram and was affordable (I still remember you could get it for almost as low as $300 around Black Friday 2016)
When I saw that it was 8 yrs old, it made ME feel old lol considering I still use one.
The 10 series of cards was the best ever , nobody can change my mind of that. They hold up quite well all these years later.
I would argue that the Geforce 4 Ti (especially the 4200) and the 8800 (especially the GT) deserve to be in the GPU hall of fame. The Ti 4200 offered amazing performance and did not only beat the FX 5200 but also the 6200 with no problems. And the 8800 GT came at a midrange price but offered highend performance. I don't see a 4080 Super at the price of a 4060 Ti anywhere.
True - I used gt 8800 from Dec 2007 to Dec 2017 it cost me 260$ brand new - inagine 4080 cost 260$ now.7@@HappyBeezerStudios
GeForce 900 wasn’t to far off either, but 10 Series is prime 👍🏻
the 10 series was also the last batch of nvidia cards before they lost their damn mind with regards to pricing.
@@richardp3350900 series is great due to how long they lasted, still getting driver updates despite being like 10 years old, and still running game relatively fine.
4:25 "Then we can install all our own VD on it"
Laughed so hard at this.
Ran this config for years! The 6700 still does OK, popped it in a system with a 1650 to sell to a friend and he's very happy with it :)
Hell I have an i7 6700k and 2070 super paired together in my old machine and it does just fine.
@@demonzero677how does that dark ages quad core not bottleneck the 2070?
It does very heavily.
Great! I’m glad your friend is enjoying that system. 😃
bruh I just did the same but I installed a 580 and gave it to my friend. Dude sends me a clip of him playing beamng driving a truck and slams into 10 cars and then does a thumbs up which I guess equates to him being happy about it
Finally a video I can relate to. I'm still rocking an i5-6500 and GTX 1660 Super. It still runs everything I need it to, so I don't plan to upgrade anytime soon. I'm not generally into twitchy games anyway, so a little lower framerate is fine with me.
I bought a 1650ti ryzen 4600H laptop just an year ago and am pretty happy for now.
Its my first device w/ dedicated gpu with my 1st salary and i don't get much time to play since graduation 😞
This. First rule when thinking of upgrading is "Does my current system do what I want it to?". If yours does, then carry on rocking! Way too much of the tech influencer scene is people selling you high end stuff the vast majority don't actually need. Which is why I like Dawid, it's clearly good fun entertainment rather than buying advice
@@peterwstacey Exactly. There is always the "do I need to upgrade if I want to do [that], and what do I need for it" and there is the "how much money am I willing to spend and how much can I get for it"
@@peterwstacey Lol I acknowledge I don’t need to upgrade but I do it because it’s fun and it’s my hobby. If it was a matter of need, I’d still be on my old i7-8700 and GTX 1060 6GB. But now I’m rocking a 14900K and 4090, planning to sell off the 14900K and buy the KS when its out, just for fun. Gonna love tweaking that chip.
The GTX 10 series were definitely the most beautiful Founders Edition ever. BTW, you don't have to remove the entire shroud to repaste. There's a few screws that holds down just the heatsink & window part of it that'll give you access to the die without taking out that many screws.
I love the 30 series founder edition cards. So clean. I love minimalism.
for me, the RTX 20 Super cards were the best looking FE cards (ignoring the fact that they were apparently horrible to work on).
The 700 and 900 cards had a simple design without being overly edgy. 8but the cooler wasn't that great in a well ventilated case, in some tight OEM case maybe fine, typical blower cooler) The 10 series went a bit too far for me, the 20 series went a step back and was more understated again and the 30 and 40 cards look very industrial.
And the 8800 GT back in the day looked amazing. So much power in such a small and sleek package. Sadly the cooler didn't do that well in terms of cooling.
And good design out weighs flashy RGB garbage I like the minimalist looks of older 10 series cars card especially the black titan card that thing is nice
Still my favorites too. They just feel pleasingly heavy and are obviously good quality, I like how simple it is to clean the heatsink as well without having to do much disassembly.
20 series were pretty cards too but I love the 10 series the most.
oh wow! im happy to see that the 10 series is still usable! its so amazing! great work on the vid Dawid!
Awesome video my dood! I upgraded my PC and gave my GF my old build that has the same i7 - 1070 combo. She mostly plays The Sims 4 with a million mods. I am happy my old PC got a new owner.
9:43. That max memory speed that's listed in the CPU specs is a guarantee that any CPU can run memory at that speed, (Intel/AMD would owe you a free CPU replacement if your CPU couldn't run memory at that speed).That also means that any memory speed above that is considered as overclocking the memory controller, and it's outside of that guarantee. So, on a motherboard that doesn't support XMP/memory overclocking, the highest memory frequency you can run is the one that's listed in the CPU specs. That 3200Mhz JEDEC kit would run at 3200Mhz in recent prebuilts since recent CPUs can run at 3200MHz without overclocking.
Mom, David bought another pre-built again.
Thanks so much for doing this one. I don't have this Lenovo system specifically, but I've been using the same pair of the 6700 / GTX1070 in my system for years now. I ran into exactly the same problem with RAM, the system is limited to 2133MHZ. I upgraded recently from 16gb to 32gb because a few modern games (Wonderlands, Baldur's Gate) were really getting into RAM limitation issues.
The big benefit of this setup is the balance. As noted, the CPU / GPU are extremely well-paired with one another, and it's rare to max out the GPU without the CPU coming close. This means that the setup has lasted a long time and really maximized usability of the components.
Unfortunately, the big problem with this setup is upgradability - the CPU / GPU / MB are all so well-paired with one another that there isn't really room to upgrade one without running into the limitations of the others, and the only real upgrade path left is to sell the system in a craigslist knife-fight and build a new one altogether.
Interesting how i7-6700 / GTX 1070 is so well balanced, while i5-3570K (with oc) / GTX 1060 is CPU limited.
one of my older PCs - 3770K+980Ti still holds well for modest gaming :)
and my current setup - 5820K+1080Ti can still handle ultrawide 1440p (with FSR in recent games)
Cool cpu
Those Bioses used to have a hidden advance mode to unlock some features like ram speed (under "overclock" conditions, which is perfectly safe...)
They do and they're terrifying. There's usually some funky function key sequence to unlock it.
It would be so much fun to see Dawid mess around with that.
Seeing your title I gotta add that I am currently watching this video with a 20 ish year old PC. Dell Dimensions 9150 running a Pentium D processor.
I've curated this and running Linux Lite and it holds up, watching your videos in 1080p.
Having lots of fun watching your videos so keep them coming!
Happy holidays too, Dawid!
Hey, I emailed you suggesting this prebuilt for your "Dawid vs prebuilt looser PCs" series. Seeing this video brought me instant joy! :)))
I had an i7 4790K with a 1070 until last year. Absolutely held up with 60+fps like a trooper.
Completely agree about Pascal era cards being the best Founder's Edition cards, aesthetics wise. For Blower Cards, they definitely take the crown
I dig the case a lot. Something tells me that the motherboard is standard mini ITX and perhaps you can rig your own shroud to combine with a 92mm tower cooler to replace the OG CPU cooler
That does a lot. Could even go more ghetto and just use a paor (or three) fans on it. I did that with my 8800 GT back in the day and got temps down by 30°C on the stock single slot cooler.
I'd doubt that with the upside down PCI-E slot.
As for the best looking stock card, I really love the look of Titan RTX
I'm running a setup even older than this: An i7 4790k on a Z90P motherboard with 32GB of 1600mhz DDR3 and until recently a 1080 Founders Edition and with similar settings, I get similar performance to what you found, It even handled MS Flight 2020 reasonably well. I recently upgraded to a 12GB RTX3060 which I'm sure I'm not getting the full benefit from but still quite an Improvement.
Old PC's can still be really good, an AMD gpu might help more, since they make gaming easier on the cpu, but I still have a rig that has a X3440 and RX6800 combo. Its fairly well balanced in a bunch of games actually.
13:09 This is why I went amd this time around. Just got an RX 6800 and it's amazing.
Interesting to see that machine show up here since it's kind of the small brother of what I built from mostly used parts.
I'm also running an i7 6700 but with a 1080 ti FE that has been converted to be cooled by a 280mm AiO (the blower cooler is terrible in terms of noise and performance), 32GB of ram and a Samsung 980 pro.
Can't really complain about it's performance in things other than the craziest new releases.
I'm on a similar setup at the moment, finally upgrading and I can't wait.
Really similar to my little mITX beast - 6700K and GTX 1080 Founders Edition still going strong almost 8 years later!
The utilization issues in GTA 5 are almost certainly due to being single thread bound on the main game thread. 3700 Mhz on a Skylake core just isn't enough to push any higher, despite the cpu as a whole still having unused multi thread capacity.
CPU hovers around 65-70% during the test, that is about 5-6 of the available 8 threads. Feels about right. Performance is still good. Frametime graph is pretty smooth and framerate stays above 60. A higher clock (in the usual 4.3-4.7 GHz basically all the chips from Sandybridge to Skylake can do) would help, but isn't really neccesary. On the other hand, there is still some GPU headroom, so downsampling or going up to 1440p
No surprise because according to Steam hardware survey two of the top cards being used recently are the 1660 or 1060.
Fair play to the previous owner; they really nailed the CPU-GPU pairing 👍
up until recently I was still using an i5 4690 and a GTX 1070 🤣 it's surprising how usable a decade old PC is in 2023
the 1070 was a great card
i have a laptop with a 1070mq. they actually used a die for a 1070ti so the 'mq' would have the same performance even though its a lower wattage than a 1070 mobile. also, 10 series had the closest performance to desktop variants being on average only 10% away from the full size. these days the laptop '90' is more like a desktop 60 series
4th gen will always hold a special place in my heart. I’ve been using 4th gen cpu’s in my pc since 2015, starting with a i5 4440, now a xeon e5-2667 v2, which is still 4th gen. Oh, and also my parents pc has a i7 4790 so that’s pretty interesting. I don’t think that cpu has been above 10% utilization in years.
Still using same spec. I5-4690k and a gtx1070😅
i just upgraded from an i5 4770 and a gtx 960 it was great for the older games and i played cyber punk at low with about 35fps im now using it as my internet surfing and its great for you tube and watching streams at 1440
Re-pasted my 1080 FE a couple of times when I had mine.
Just so you know, you don't have to fully disassemble the card.
You can remove the shroud on top of the heatsink. From there you can remove and clean the heatsink and get access the the die itself. All in all, maybe 16 screws?
It's pretty quick believe it or not 😅.
The case looks cool!
I built a mITX Strix board with a 6700K, strix 1070, 16GB of DDR4 2400 and an SF650 in a Fractal Node case and it works great for a LOT of games. I'm not playing Cyberpunk at 4k but SWTOR, MWO, Stray, DA Inquisition and a lot of last gen and older games run amazing (at 1080) I keep it at the PC shop I work at and play on it every day with no regerts. And YES, the ram speed is limited to 2133 with the 6th gen, even with a high end strix board.
bro big fan of your crazy tech videos about computers love your video
I had a 6600k and GTX 1070 FE back in the day, I am actually really surprised on how well this system held up. Temps on the 1070 are normal, that was just the way they were. This was back before anyone had discovered the benefits of undervolting so I just gamed with headphones.
There’s usually a way to enter a more advanced menu in the bios that lets you adjust the ram frequency. I can’t remember it off the top of my head but my hp prebuilt had the same thing and I had to hold like ctrl and press f10 or something to enter the advanced menu for the bios where I was able to set my ram to 3600mhz
Dawid, The only thing I hate about your videos is that they aren't longer.
This video was exactly 13:37. I think that was intentional :-)
I’m still using a 4770K system built in 2013 combined with a 2080Ti that I swapped in back in December 2018. The system is now 10 and a half and runs everything I throw at it without too much fuss. Other than RTX being off it runs Hogwarts Legacy, a game released in 2023, on 1440p Ultra without issues.
I'm still running a i7 6700, with a RTX 3060 and it plays most games no problem. One day I'll go above 4 cores. 😅 Great vid Dawid and Merry Christmas.
I kinda dig the case hope we get an update and place current gen hardware on that case.
Same. I wanna see him bring it into this decade.
This video reflects that much of the actual gains in gaming performance has not been in the GPUs as much as in the RAM speed and memory controllers on the motherboards. I think that even choked on RAM speed, this system would have cranked 150-180fps on fortnite, which would keep the kiddies (and not so kiddies) happy. There is a point where the performance gains are just not worth the absolute cost. I think if you tried the 1070 in say a 5800x or similar system, you would find it more than capable of doing the job nicely to a level that most people would never complain about.
I bought a used 1080ti a few years ago. Noticed it was a bit loud and running a bit warm. Repasted the card and temps dropped over 10c and fan speed nearly dropped by half. It didn't perform any better really as it still wasn't quite thermal throttling, but it was a hell of a lot quieter, and gave me some good headroom for OC.
During the initial dark ages of Covid, when all graphics cards were worth their weight in gold, I was building an audio workstation/gaming machine. 16 cores/32 threeads, 64gb of ram, super-fast storage...just a glorious machine. But, I had to reuse a pair of 1080 graphics cards in SLI. I used that setup for 2 years, and it played games surprisingly well.
I had a system with a 1070 and an i7 2600k with a massive cooler and overclocked to hell. I really loved it as the 2nd gen i7 with oc basically performs something like a 6th gen i7 stock.
Still my favourite pc config that I ever owned.
Hi David, great video. These things are still surprisingly good today, given their age. Moreover, the 1070 and the 1080 tune very nicely. 8 out of 10 will run with +100MHz curve on stock volts, i.e at 1995, where yours was pegged at 1860. Just a few clicks in the Afterburner :)
Yup, I run my 1060 on +140 MHz for 2114 MHz boost and +625 on the memory for 9244 MT/s
Your channel is the only one I don't fast forward through the sponsor plugs
oh wow thats my old pc, had the version with 1080 from 2016 to 2022. college times went quick...
Big props to Lenovo and the knife fighter you defeated. The system held up well.
I love that this video is 13:37 in length.
I just upgraded from a 12 year old PC, a 4.4ghz 3770K.. and tbh it's pretty capable and not that bad for gaming still. I did upgrade the graphics card one time though from a GTX 570 to 1070. And I'm still using the 1070 in my new build till the new Nvidia series cards come out.
I had this 8 years ago but with the gtx1080. Still use it tdy, js changed the case, ram, n power supply. Still works great
God jul och gott nytt år. From Sweden
i own a few of those "be quiet" fans and they're actually really good.
Wow haven't seen a BTX case in years. If I had that case I would mod the top screened areas with a more open type of screen for better airflow to the system and the graphics card, that would help pull those temps down. And probably make a filter you could remove and clean eastly. I like the look of that case, might have to see if I can find one myself. Though would change those leds to a blue, not as shocking to the eyes when playing in a darkened room. Just my preference is all, not a big red fan.
And it's funny on that card as I have a EVGA GTX 1070, though not a founders edition but still a worthy card and still going strong today on an old build of mine.
Though it needs a power supply now as a storm took that out. Guess I need to fix that old UPS I have and get it back up to protecting those systems. Just need about 100 dollars of batteries for it though that's fairly cheap for a pure sine wave ups considering it's a 350 dollar unit.
That old system plays games like Warframe beautifully, and all the Fallouts including that Dumpster fire of a game called Fallout 76. Skyrim and tons of other games. Won't buy the new Loading screen simulator from Bethesda you know..... Star Field. Though do keep tabs on it to see if it's improving. Yep Bethesda taught me a really hard lesson on pre buying into a game. Never again from them.
Still has win 7 on that old system, it's great for older games. And the ASUS P5E Deluxe motherboard won't do Win 10 after one of Microsoft's updates, so had to revert back to Windows 7 which I like anyway. Can still load and play a lot of my old game library on it that Windows 10 just won't do. And no not a Windows 11 fan will wait as long as possible or just go ahead and pull the trigger on Linux full time. Which that older system won't mind in the least.
Well I'm slowly building a new system with a Lian lee case I have always wanted, and finally got it when it went on a really good sale. Can you still get BTX motherboards ?
Happy Xmas to you and Anna bro.
Merry Christmas Dawid!
Picked up a comp with 6700k 1080 plus 16gb ram a year back and my daughter uses it....very happy and its quite snappy...1500swedish crowns which is nothing these days
Its pretty cool seeing this old hardware get benchmarked. Im still using the same old system I've mostly unupgraded for years now. I'm getting solid 1080p performance off my I5 4690K and an RX 580 8Gb model.
I'm early yet again, it always a good day when dawid posts a new video with a knife battled Craigslist pc in it
It's funny because i was gaming on a 8 year old PC just earlier this year. Still handled most games other than new AAA titles pretty well.
4:49 herdoedoe😂 I bought a HP minipc for desktop use but then ended up connecting a GTX1070 to it with a ADT-link M.2 to PCie adapter. HDPlex 250W passively cooled PSU for the GPU. Also modded a overkill-size heatpipe cooler the the CPU to keep it real silent and cool (i7-7700T). Installed the cooler thru a hole made into the PC case. The whole system built into a few liter aluminium rack. Really surprised how it handles the games, even pretty new ones.
Dawid, no matter how depressed I am or how bad life gets or how badly I don't want to be here. I appreciate you always giving me a smile. Thanks Dawid
Holy hell. That uptime @4:29 is crazy! Roughly 5 months. That's wild!
If you like small form factor gaming PCs, there's the Asus G20CB. It has an Intel I7 6700, 16GB of RAM and a GTX 980. There is also the Asus G20CI with a GTX 10 series graphic card.
The phrase "Intel quadcore dark ages" is just too perfect...
I was started feeling this only a few years after getting my i5 4690k where it was a serious bottleneck because of the 4 cores. My pretty basic laptop from a few years back has better single and multi-core CPU performance than it.
I'm happy to say that tomorrow (hopefully) I will finally upgrading to a Ryzen CPU :D
I daily drove the ATX precursor (Ideacentre Y700) to this pc with an I5-6400 and a GTX 960 for years. held up nicely
Great video Dawid. It does always make me eye roll when Nvidia brings new upscaling tech to their flagship cards while ignoring the old ones. Love the retro dives as always!; Happy Holidays!
We had a good laugh about that, Jenson must have been spitting feathers when FSR improved the 1070 and above so much, I have two Nephews and 1 pal running cheap 1070 builds, they are fine casual gaming cards still.
Flagship cards? Bro we are 3 generations into RTX cards
@@fortunefiderikumo And Ncrappia segregate tech on even those.
im genuinely impressed by the build quality of this system for a prebuilt. nothing really looked proprietary inside so thats a win.
i really like the lay out of components in this case. very nice craigslist pick
10-series cards are 8 years old... fuck. Feels like they came out yesterday.
im still usin a 1070ti lol
I still think the 10 series cards are the best thing nvidia ever made. I had a 1080 for years and it was still kicking ass at 1080p.
I have a similar ASUS PC from that time with an i7-6700, upgraded to a RTX 2070 and it runs great still!
too funny! I'm away from my usual rig and using one with a 6600k and 1070 while watching this! It's not the same experience as my usual, but gaming is fine/playable for Wolcen and TinyTina's Wonderlands at 2k. I don't have a fps counter, but the pc is doing the work -- now the internet is causing havoc, but that's not the pc's fault.
I have a Lenovo P520 and purchased a used PNY xlr8 1070 OC for it, plays Fallout 4 and Witcher 3 on ultra reasonably well and there wasn't much difference in performance to a 2050 or 3050 if I remember correctly. The card suits me fine for only spending $100 on it and the whole PC was just about $350 for graphics, ram, 900w psu, and cpu even though it's locked at 2666 mhz Ram speed. Cant use anything more or less but that's not a problem for me.
Pre builts typically cheap out on motherboards because most people are focused on the GPU first and CPU second. More often than not you'd find lower tier B boards or even H boards in there. Swapping it out would probably gain you performance.
11:40 WIdow Maker lol
these small lines are the reason i watch dawid
Very good looking graphics card btw love ur vids keep up the work!!
Looks like the Mantis helmet from Starfield.
I tested a 1080 with a 4th gen i7 recently as I am getting ready to do a build for sale. I was genuinely surprised by the results, even when I decided to hook it up to my 1440p monitor for giggles. It is pretty much on par with a RX 6600 XT, to put it into modern terms.
The RAM speed may be a factor but GTAV is basically being limited by single thread CPU performance.
Ha! My main PC is a bit older than this, i7-5960X, and yes it can still game. Though yes there are times I wish I had something better.
I don't think I have ever seen this Lenovo case before, I like the overall looks.
I would say it's still a fine system if you, like I, can't afford anything better.
The RAM speed is annoying, but not surprising. I have quad channel 64GB on a good expensive at the time ASUS mainboard, but I can't make the RAM go faster than 2667.
Cool video, thank you for sharing.
How CPU limited are you by the 5960x in modern games? I've got a 6800K and I can feel it suffer in games like Starfield and The Finals
@@ineligible2267 I don't really have modern games that are demanding as I haven't bought a new AAA release in a few years due to being completely poor. The last demanding game I bought was Cyberpunk when it was a few months old and I don't think my i7 is bottlenecking it at all. I have a GTX1660 Super and it always runs between 93-99 percent there with my CPU being MUCH lower. Perhaps it would be a problem with Starfield or The Finals, but with zero money I don't see me buying them even if suddenly they appeared on GOG (my store of choice). The one area where I do feel bottlenecking is outside of games, in video editing.
please upload more often i enjoy the content a lot
The paste being dry doesn't always mean it's old and doesn't conduct heat. Once the dry compound warms up, it will become fluid like again.
My laptop I'm watching YT on right now is an i5-6300hq and a 1060 (6GB) and it does me fine. My daily driver has a 12th gen i9 and a 3070 in and it runs games pretty well but did suffer from overheating in the Summer until I liquid metalled it
My PC is nearly 8 years old now and still runs well. It's an i5 7600K on an Asus Z270H with an Asus Rog Strix 1070Ti and 32GB of 3200 DDR4. It's still Ok for VR and flatscreen gaming.
As someone who uses a 2012 machine with a 2017 GPU and a 2009 machine with a 2013 GPU on a daily basis I can say, a lot can be done even with older hardware.
Sadly the overclocked i5-3570K keeps holding back the GTX 1060
But non-K overclock is a thing on the platform, just needs the right BIOS. I've seen 4.3-4.6 on locked chips.
And while the CPU officially only supports DDR4-2133, all that stops the system from running faster is the availability of options in the BIOS. In said 3570K build I'm running a pair of DDR3-1600 sticks on DDR3-2000 just fine, even though the CPU doesn't officially support it.
Pretty sure throwing a decent Z170 board in would allow to run the i7-6700 around 4.5 GHz and the RAM around DDR4-3000
The 1070 also has some more headroom. 1911 MHz and under 65 °C in GTA means you could push maybe 100-150 MHz extra and land in the usual 2000-2100 MHz range. (My 1060 runs +140 core and +625 memory for 2114 MHz and 9244 MT/s) For BF V cooling needs to be improved a bit, but nothing that taking off the shroud and a pair of case fans can't solve.
And since you've thrown Starfield in, it wouldn't hurt testing Skyrim and Fallout 4 as well. Sure, they are older, but people who would play Starfield, would also play the older Bethesda games. In fact, both have more players than Starfield right now. Maybe Witcher 3 and Apex Legends
Oh, and the be quiet fans are indeed a good option. Not the price of a kidney like the Corsair or Noctua fans, but quite good for the price.
This is a really well balanced system. I have an overclocked i7 4790k and a overclocked gtx 1660 and i find that the best thing to do is lock the fps to 40 fps to get rid of all the lagspikes caused by the cpu. This pc is still under starfields minimun spec a i7 6800 and gtx 1070ti but i have mixed low and medium settings and get a stable 30 fps. In Gta you are just cpu bottlenecked like me since a faster cpu would get you around 130 fps on very high settings with grass on high, you need something like a 3700x. Dont even try BF2042 128 players with a 4 core. Still a great PC that plays the latest games at high fidelity and smooth frames if you lock that badboy down to 40fps.
6:30 I love me some CS:GO 2...
I ran a 6700K and GTX 1070 until earlier this year, when I got a 3070. Still rocking the 6700K, since the motherboard I ordered never showed up.
im gaming in an alienware aurora r4 (2013). i just upgraded tot 32gb ram and a 2060 over the years. I can ensure you i have a great gaming expierience! The only reason i bought a new laptop today is only because i needed a mobile solution. But if this wasnt the case i would use my aurora r4 at least 5 more years.
Yeah the 1070FE needs the fan curve ramped up. The blower can move a ton of air, it's just louder than a 3 axial fan solution. Can usually get +150~200core/+500mem out of it too.
The 1080 is classic for a reason. I’m surprised such an old kit held up so well!
Damn that's almost my identical specs like 6 years ago. It's since been sold but the parts are still being used daily
It's nice to know that an old card CAN do new tricks. A 1070 would do well in "Nephews first gaming PC"
I like this channel.. good presentation 👌 good balanced content 👌 love it 👌
I can't be the only one who finds Dawid pointing his finger at the FSR menu for 15 seconds while VO is going hilarious.
I have subscribed just for the way you said HDD!
I'm pretty impressed with the aggressive design even if it's a bit corny. Thermals weren't terrible either, not bad!
I love the old machine, especially the look of it.
I'm still running a 2017 HP Omen I7 8700, 1070gpu, only upgraded the ram to 32gb and it still gets 100fps on F1 2023 high settings, 60-100fps on Rust, that'll still do me nicely
that's basically my computer (though a 7700K instead). Works great. My 1070 has definitely been my longest lasting gfx card
Dawid how do you see everything going on with all the components, i would really like to know the software used.Thanks.