The FUTURE Of Budget PC Gaming?
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- Опубліковано 31 жов 2023
- I try and pre-empt the budget office PC meta by 7 years.
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I know this made the video length longer but I love how you replace the components one by one instead of instant overhaul. Letting us see what sort of components we need to prioritised when we need to fight in the alleyway in the future.
This. In 2029, when I'm running from mutant racoons with 16 gig RAM stick in one hand and a RX 8400 GPU in other, I need to know which one I can throw away to gain more speed.
Did we watch the same video? He could have gone to dual channel RAM before the GPU upgrade, at least.
Yeah, no, OP was watching some other video. More times than not, Dawid changed 2 components. Certainly not one by one.
Not sure how applicable it is since the only lesson here is "don't use a power supply that can't supply enough power".
@@CyberneticArgumentCreator Yeah there is nothing to learn here other than just expiremental fun.
In the end if you take such a PC and add all those things on it for it not to suck then you aren't saving much.
Most entertaining tech channel by a mile
Agreed. Im glad I found this channel a year or two ago lol
Get's quite boring sometimes though when he takes an old pc and basically just makes a new PC that makes no sense and is useless doing.
@@AingealDheyeeeeah it’s kinda getting old
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@Manson90 what you described there is why I subscribed, lol. I can't watch most of his stuff, though. They put me to sleep, unfortunately.
you know its a good day when dawid uploads yet another pc video
just what i was thinking
I actually laughed out loud and physically snorted when you put the final touches on the build. You only get better at this the more you do it.
This is hilarious 😂😂
I have an optiplex that came with an i9 9900 and it came with that measly blower cooler, at 60w it was throttling
I had a 9900K and it was drawing north of 160W easily.
can confirm, even at stock hitting 4.6ghz all cores!
How did you solve the issue ? ^^
vibinz6693
He should do 14700f here too, fancy 60 watt next gen GPU's are the best Workstations.
14700f can run games too, on fast XMP etc
Keep the i9 please, only use 2 DIMS on CMP as fast as you can find, you will never improve those low power CPU's on Kraken fancy 360 radiator levels.
Buy next gen RTX 4070 for it, bottlenecking it a bit, who cares ?
9900f are the best CPU's, able to play games on, never get any HOT !
OC that shizz @@scorg
Best part of the week is Dawid uploading!
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That's what I'm sayin dawid uploading is always a W
Even when a video doesn’t work out I’m always happy to just be able to watch it
Thank you for continuing to do awesome/stupid/silly/useless stuff I wish I could afford to do. I live vicariously through you.
Using any dell shitbox made after 2012 is by default silly and useless. The stupid fucking SATA connector to SATA connectors to VGA is honest to God one of the dumbest thigns I have ever seen in my life, like there is NO reason to use Dell unless you got it for free. Words cannot express how terrible this company truly is.
I feel exactly the same as you.
@@drek9k2 You're totally missing the point. Dell never intended these systems to be use for anything other than what they were designed and built for. Trying to upgrade these systems is the same as polishing a turd. You may be able to make it bright and shiny but on the inside it's still a turd!
Hahaha. I love it. The cut to the massive GPU, huge fan, and a shit ton of cables sitting on top of the little SFF is too funny.
you know the reason the i3 kicks a 7700k's ass to the curb is because it is a quad performance core cpu vs a quad efficiency core cpu 🤣🤣🤣
Steve from gamer nexus said that the 13-100F is just about comparable to the 9900k which was A $500 CPU until a few years ago.
The 13-100f is around $120
So its crazy that a few generations later, we are getting the same performance for about 20% of the cost.
This probably has a lot to do with ryzen being very competitive and good value.
Just looked up the tdp and a 9900k drew 98 watts while a 13100F draws 58. Fuck yeah efficiency.
What about multicore score?
Jodysis
You need the 14900 or 13700 CPU to run GTX 4080 card !
Old GPU, do old 9900 K CPU too !
@@mopanda81 9900k, never bottleneck that RTX 4090 in it, use old GPU cards too!
Your going to break UA-cam. Your new found PC niche of content is quite refreshing. "Unusually Painful PC builds" definitely could be the next big thing. And don't think that everyone watching your channel doesn't have one of those somewhere (I swear there isn't one in my office) laying around.
Keep up the good work.
I'm so glad I found a new tech channel to watch. Your dedication and fun make you the only channel whose videos don't bore me.
Dawid they sell adapters that allow you to power these Dell motherboards with a regular power supply. Sometimes your stuck having to use the Dell cooler though because they like to do proprietary spacing as well as attaching the cooler to the tray instead of having a backplate. Other than that they are still mATX most of the time so you can transplant them into a DIY PC case.
That Power Supply is definitely some proprietary form factor tho, replacement won't be easy.
I'm surprised how well most modern games ran on that iGPU by just throwing in a couple sticks of good RAM, and all while using such little power. I think that's really the key to future budget builds versus just replacing all the components with high end stuff.
yeah, ryzen's iGPUs are bangers for low graphics gaming
bro he also put in the 6400
did you not watch the video? he didn't just add ram, he added a low profile AMD graphics card
@@theorphanobliterator My point was how well games ran without the AMD graphics card. Imagine not even needing a dedicated graphics card and still playing modern games decently
@@travellingslim yeah tears of the kingdom running sub 20s is "so well" 🙄
I believe that "sudden onset seizure" in the cyberpunk benchmark is attributed to the crowd density setting. I know that area in the benchmark is specifically targeted to testing the processor and how it handles crowds. Generally in game you wont see many NPC's like that apart from generally populated areas such as corpo plaza or any busy main thoroughfare which explains the better frames in actual gameplay. I had a similar experience when upgraded only my GPU and my processor consistently struggled in that area of the benchmark
great refreshing take on a very old PC video theme. i love the budget inspiron projects and i was kind of sad when they stopped being as viable for little side projects/profit! the idea of seeing how far you could take a modern office PC instead is cool and i think it's been about the right amount of time for this to happen again.
Never thought dawid would get a modern dell small form factor.
this video is gold! thanks Dawid! im actually in the process of rebuilding an old desktop into a entry level budget gaming rig. the timing of your video couldnt have been better
I found dawid 3 years ago and binged all his videos, the humor is so good lol, good day when he uploads
I love that UA-cam has a full spectrum of tech content, this being chaotic evil, but One of the most enjoyable by far
"At first, I wanted to get them to the arena, throw a knife on the floor between them, and look what's gonna happen."
You are gonna love bringus studios
pretty great video, keep up the work dawid!
Bro, honestly dont even know how to express how much i love the ideas you come up with for your content man
That was a monstrosity! Nice job, Dawid.
STELAR, did we just witness David in present go to future back to past in future all in one video? Awesome content as usual.
I like that how you slowly upgrade the system which people can realize changes in process 👍
Only Dawid would build such a monstrosity. I love it.
The ending system reminds me of the first PC that I owned that wasnt a "For the family" pc. Optiplex 745, with a 2gb gpu that put out so much heat while gaming that I had to keep the side panel off and the HDD lived outside the case. If not the HDD overheated and blue-screened the system.
Hah kinda reminds me of when people had modded ps2 slims and used burned discs. You had to leave the disk drive lid open and sometimes point a fan at the dvd.
I used to have an optiplex very similar to the one in the video except it was 7th gen. The little space between the power supply and the gpu meant that the gpu was running suuuuper hot. So the power supply went out the case. Routed the cables through the empty DVD slot and put some extra fans, one for intake and one for exhaust just for the gpu at the bottom. Good times
That's the kind of jank setup that makes good memories.
@@MansakeLabsOfficial the only other computer I have fond memories of is the first family PC we owned. A Commodore Colt 8088 ( yes I'm old)
5 years ago, I got an office PC for $180 that had an FX 6300 on a m5a97 board. Despite the FX series poor rep for gaming, I enjoyed it from an r9 270 gpu up to an rx 580 8gb. The PC was basically brand new and was easy to upgrade, full ATX and a large case with lots of ventilation for adding extra fans, a really good deal considering the price-similar options of the time.
Poor reputation is mostly because folks did not know that PS4 effectively had FX CPU, i.e. it was more than adequate for gaming 😁
@@aleksazunjic9672 lol plus I put an overkill cpu cooler in and had it locked at 4.2GHz
Love you Dawid! One if not my favorite channels ever. You’re so entertaining and I always look forward to your videos!! Thanks for all the hard work you do for our entertainment!
I enjoy when Dawid does tech stuff.
Dawid's insults against the potato hardware kind makes me feel better about my self
That SATA adapter shenanigan made my skin crawl. A single SATA cable, which is usually two connectors, can provide around 55W. A PCIe 6 pins connector can supply 75W and an 8 pins, 150W. Here, you're basically supplying 110W (because I'm assuming the RTX 4060 doesn't actually use power from the PCIe slot at all or it would only need a 6 pins connector and not an 8 pins) with a single 55W source (and I'm being generous by assuming Dell was "smart" enough to put the entire available power of a dual-connector into a single one, but more likely, it's only providing around 28W, which is a fire-hazard), that's scary as hell. If you wanted to make an Halloween video, that's the scariest you could do.
I love that you make pc videos for the masses who can always get the new rtx 5090 and rx 8900 xtxs
Next time maybe you can try to jam a 600w Flex PSU with an adapter for Dell mobos and try to keep everything inside the tower instead of that monster you created. Anyway I love when you go crazy with the upgrades!
Don't underestimate the new i3 quad-cores. They are more powerful than you'd expect
One of my rigs has a i3 12100F coupled with a RX 6600 and 16GB ram. Runs surprisingly good high settings at 1080p and the GPU is the bottleneck instead of the CPU which is very nice. Complete mismatch spare parts build that quickly has become a favorite.
The Main issue I see with this test. Most offices I know have mostly laptops. And if not, they are usually smaller and effectively are laptop motherboards (so no upgrade other than memory and storage and theoretically cooling) in a small case. Quite often they actually require DC power, so they even run on what is effectively a laptop power supply.
Do you think PC power supplies are putting out AC power into the PC?
@@wyterabitt2149 No, but Most PCs get AC into the Power supply and Output different DC Levels. A Lot of modern Micro PCs get DC at 12V and output it to the different DC levels needed. The DC they get comes from an external power supply which obviously gets AC from the mains.
I love this, the most convoluted way ever to actually just state “a pc bought to day is going to be faster then a pc from 10 years ago” excellent work! Dawid never change, you’re just perfect! I want more, More, MORE! Thank you! 🙏
The "beefy" CPU wasn't getting all that power dumped into it because what you were running didn't require the extra power. If you ran a CPU intensive benchmark tool it would have drawn way more wattage from the PSU (as in much closer to its rated TDP) - Simple.
I bet the ~100W wall you ran into was from VRM thermal throttling. The board may allow itself to deliver 125W, but the VRM most likely can't handle that kind of load, even with a fan blowing onto it. Maybe it'd work better if you added some custom heatsinks to the mosfets. Or maybe you should just do the sensible thing and stick to the i5 when upgrading this thing.
Or bios hard coded to use x amount of watts on the socket
@@WayStedYou i think its just the physical limitations and failsafes kicking in to try to not fry the board
Dipresseron get's me every time, lol... New subscriber as of today, this channel is slept on, absolutely love it, great JARB!
Would love to see your candid reviews of some of these current mini-gaming PCs that are everywhere!
After buying the PC and upgrading the CPU, GPU, PSU, Memory and SSD... you'd be better off buying a Minisforum or Beelink mini PC with an AMD 7840HS CPU & 780M GPU for around $600-$700.
Video Checkpoints
- 00:00 The video discusses the limitations of old office PCs for gaming and introduces a new office PC with an Intel I3 13100 CPU as a potential budget gaming option.
- 02:30 This section discusses the limitations of a budget office PC for gaming and the potential for upgrades.
- 05:03 Upgraded RAM and M.2 storage in a budget PC gaming setup improves performance on games like Battlefield 5 and Cyberpunk, but struggles with The Last of Us at low settings.
- 07:37 Overcoming limitations in the graphics card power supply for a budget PC gaming system.
- 10:12 The narrator tests the performance of an external power supply and a replacement Riser cable on a budget PC gaming configuration.
- 12:43 The power supply in the system is not allowing the CPU to draw more than 100 Watts, limiting its performance potential.
Is that ChatGPT working off the video transcript?
hmm... idrk? hehe@@zimbu_
I love the fact when I get home sometimes from gym he uploads so while im chilling I can watch him
I also had snagged a few HP prebuilts from Walmart on a crazy clearance sale. They had a Ryzen 3 3200G and I grabbed new PowerColor RX6400 to put in them and flip for Esports rigs. They crushed any of the Free to play esports titles and some older AAA games.
Yeah I bought an HP Pavilion and plan to add an RX 6600 since the 1650S can barely sprint.
With AMD drastically increasing iGPU performance, maybe the future of dumpster gaming might also include a really old steam deck/a laptop with a 6000/7000 series Ryzen 7
in 10- to 20 years the VGAs will most likely disappear entirely, just like storage is getting more and more integrated into the mobo, so yea, it is entirely possible that in like 5 years there won't be a need for drop-in low profile VGAs when you get your hands on a SFF ofice pc.
@@istvancsap3513 People have been saying that for many years, it wasnt true in 2012, and it wont be true know
@@gintozlato1880 So true.
@@gintozlato1880 where are your facts? mine are there, it's happening with storage, as i mentioned, happening with the size of mobos, they become smaller and with less and less functionality and frankly it's even happening in mining, more and more rigs consist of optimized industrial CPUs and soon it'll take over GPUs for most big scale miner associations. What you doin i think is a good bit of wishful thinking spiced with some pre-emptive nostalgia, or is it that you have no perception of the world rushing forward around you?
@@istvancsap3513 People have been thinking that gpus will become more intagrated consistantly for about 15 years, back when inergrated graphics where on the board, you could get similar performance too low-mid gpus with some ati chipsets, many people were thinking that in just a few years dedicated gpus would be pretty much dead, even some large tech media outlesbut ints of the era talked about it. in reality however the next few years there would have some of the best innovations in the gpu space, you could miss one genaration and still miss performance, even at the high end.
its been a usual thought that pops into the public idea every few years, and every time, its been far from true.
Most Excellent video! I loved looking into the future with what we can expect to do for budget PC’s. Depressing but awesome!!!! Thanks!!
That would be pretty awesome using a computer like that with it opened up and external parts hooked up everywhere (with the light bar)
GREAT TO WATCH YOUR VIDEO AS SOON AS IT POSTED
One of your best videos in a while Dawid! Well done!
Watching your vids several years nowand you still havent lost your entertainment style.
I hope there will be fiddy more years ❤️
Upgrading prebuilts is always fun to do and watch
I love how the small form factor budget gaming PC turns into an open box with a bunch of wires going out to stuff not even in the box. Never change!
This is hilarious. Thank you, Dawid. Keep up the good work!
What I love about Dawid is instead of just following the tech video trends, news and doing reviews of the newest stuff (profitable shill work), he just thinking up wakey interesting idea's to do. The kind of idea's us pc nerds think about from time to time; he just goes out and actually does those idea's as a youtube channel (y)
I love the Rocky-esque training montages you put in your vid’s! You crack me up!
@11:50 - This is the shenanigans I subscribed to you for and you never disappoint me! Thank you for another great video and I look forward to the next one as always!
So for just $600 plus $2000 worth of additional components, you can build your own mediocre gaming PC! AMAZING! Thanks as always Dawid!
this channel can be explained by "maple syrup land man shouts at computer to make it go"
I swear I watch these videos only for your over-the-top analogies! 😂
Turning a call center pc into a gaming pc is like turning a C******** camp into a museum
Very entertaining Dawid, started with one of those SFF Optiplexes myself... I feel for those peeps venturing into PCness 6 years from now
"This is very much computer" is the most accurate description I've ever heard.
I had a similar (but not as extreme) journey putting a double slot sized RTX A2000 into an Optiplex 7060 SFF. The PS is hanging outside the case in order for the A2000 to fit. Similar challenges for HP ones with 8th gen Intel or later. The earlier models 7th gen Intel SFF and before could accommodate the dual slot GPU, but Hp and Dell made the decision to only allow a single slot card in those slots at the 8th gen Intel models. However, my proper gaming setup is in a proper ATX case with standard parts. Enterprise machines great for productivity, but not so great for upgrading and very bad upgrade options - plus RAM locked at speeds lower than rated and can't be changed in the BIOS.
I built a budget gaming PC with a Ryzen 5600, Radeon 6600, 32Gb of 3200 MT/s RAM, a 1TB PCIe 4 M2 SSD, a micro tower case with 2 front 120mm fans, and a 550W Corsair PSU for just 700 EUR. I bought everything new from Amazon.
I've since upgraded it a bit with a $5 SSD passive cooler from ebay, and a 15 EUR CPU 3 heat pipe tower cooler from a local store.
This was a much needed upgrade for a 12 year old 1050 EUR (with about 500 EUR of upgrades) PC I built in 2011. If we take inflation into account then budget gaming is cheaper now that it's ever been, at least for me.
Love it. This is like hot rodding a Prius
Idea for a video for ya. transplant the guts from the mini dell tower to the full size dell tower! its what i did. took a precision with a xeon and pumped it up, then dropped it into a used tower from facebook market place. after a bit we were able to attain a used cooler master cm stacker 820(really cool old aluminum tower) and swapped the guts again.
currently looking for a motherboard upgrade for my boy now since the upgrade bug bit him. he is cash poor like me so used parts all the way!
love the videos keep em coming!
Ahh, that's better a nice dose of Dawid, and one of his creations. I feel better already. Cheers Dawid.
Nice intriguing video, shows just what the Dell Inspiron is capable of!
Personally, I would have gone with the i5 upgrade, 64GB RAM (the max it supports, because why not), a larger (and full sized) M.2 SSD like the Crucial P3 Plus, the RX 6400 and a DVD drive (which can be had real cheap if you buy a used one online). Maybe even a secondary disk if there was enough SATA/power to take it.
That's realistically as far as you can go - the i9 won't work due to the power consumption limitation (and cooling limitation!), and the RTX 3060 won't work due to the 8-pin power requirement, as well as not being able to mount dual height GPUs...
The blue cable extensions are a very nice touch. Chef's kiss.
I use to game on a couple of old sff office PCs with LGA1155 and 1151 sockets but it wasn't all bad, just very limited on what you could do with it. My main problem were the 140W PSU, I had to use a GT 1030 for about 6 years and there wasn't a lot of LP GPU options to chose that would fit inside.
Very insightful knowledge as always dear David. ❤
4:15 - it is possible to put a dual slot GPU into the smaller slot. There will be a performance penalty due to the lower number of PCI-e lanes, but it will work. I ran into the same issue with an Optiplex 9020 SFF and a GTX 1650.
Max_Mustermann
try to fit your RTX 4090 in the PCIe Gen 5 1x slot ? HOW ?
only on paper you can do that, just try, and post it here please !
Other boards do that, not these !
@@lucasrem My bad. I thought the small slot was an PCIe x16 with 4 lanes wired like on the Optiplex I was dealing with. It really does appear that the PC in this video only has a PCIe 1x secondary slot.
Love how the pc looked at the end, atm my pc is an office build with a 970, 5th gen i5 and +4gb of ram (8) which is being held back by the CPU and maybe the ram sadly. It's interesting to see what it might look like in the future. New sub :)
Perfectly entertaining!
"Rushed hand job and a couple $20's" that had me in stitches!
Nice job! Thanks for David!
Never thought I'd see my non-s model of this desktop on Dawid Does Tech Stuff, its honestly crazy.
Hey I love your channel so much you are a must-watch channel keep it up.
I'm a huge fan of both old Dells and old Intel quad cores lol. I have an Optiplex 5040 with an i7 6700 and GTX 1060 6G and an Optiplex 7020 SFF with an i7 4770 and a GT 1030 G5. One is at the desk, one is under the TV. I built them both sniping parts on Ebay, and they're both stacked to the max with RAM and SSDs.
Steamdeck, low end gaming laptops, and you come out cheaper with more performance. I never understood the fascination with these builds. Only makes sense if you either buy the initial system for $20 or less or you just inherit it. By the time you factor in the GPU, new RAM, new storage (which should be your first stop for a used office machine), keyboard, mouse, screen & sound, you are better off getting one devices that has all built in.
This is sheer lunacy and I love it
"A rushed hand job and a couple of 20's." I almost choked on my food I was laughing so hard. Thank you!
The split of one sata into two to connect to an 8pin adaptor is the absolute best solution ever!
This was a great idea
Oh man, you've really outdone yourself with jokes and puns in this one! Depresseron, a particularly brutal colonoskopy with that camera picture, lmao!
The perfect timing of Dawid's hand and the explosion at 8:53, ironically talking about nothing exploding.
sick bro
Great stuff! That 13100 seemed to me to be the way to go for building a new system. No used cpu has the same power at that price. I really appreciate how you covered three levels of builds. I would like to see if that motherboard could be put into a spare mini tower case. I wonder if it has standard power connectors. Also, if they had a bigger form factor for that Inspiron that has more pcie slots, Sata connectors, and NVME. But it seems like buying a general purpose 13th gen motherboard would be better.
I am curious what the difference would be in fps from the onboard intel graphics and a under hundred dollar graphics card. I would be tempted to use something I had laying around or just us on board graphics with those 13 gen chips.
Interesting that 4 cores and 8 threads is really enough for the games.
I UPVOTED AND LOL'D WHEN YOU T-BONED THE COP CAR IN GTA HAHAHA
the future is instead of getting the pc from a alleyway to the back of a random store
Seeing the comparison between the 13400 v the 2600 and all im thinking is, Sandybridge still looking good!!!
Depresseron XD i swear u are the most hillariously creative guy i ever seen on YT in terms naming things >_< and wow... the Frankensteins u create are something else entirely XD
EXCELLENT WORK!!!!
The cpu wattage limit is pretty good avoid overheating and you can ad a k variant and basically force undervolt which will make it last forever
This is great. I would say set a calendar reminder on your phone to change the title in 9 months so our progeny in the year 2029 can search this and know not to upgrade this past the i5. You have saved our great-great-grandchildren from a horrid fate, Dawid. Thank you for your service.
9 months, is it pregnant?
I've been doing a ton of Xeon X5570 builds latley. I was able to get 13 new ones for dirt cheap. I gotta say I'm pretty impressed with them. I adjusted the base clock frequency and they perform really well paired with R9-280x. Great entry level esports rig.
for esports you could use the best apu's and be done for higher fps
@pav1u boring. I do this for a living. Thanks for your input though.
@@SmithBeatZ1bro you just come off rude and arrogant. Thanks thou 😂
I wonder if case upgrade is a possibility or if Dell once again went an extra mile to make it difficult - custom PCB shape, custom connectors, mounting holes at weird places... you know, Dell stuff :-)
Wow! Witness the power of this fully operational battle station.
As always, the stack of barely organized chaos made me laugh. Thanks!
Dawid, I need you to understand how mind blowing it is to see GTAV run even like that on onboard graphics, compared to past systems, that's still insane for IGPU progress over the last 20 years