AMD has been at the top for years but the Steam Survey won't change that much because there's millions of old machines that might only get replaced every 5-10 years
Which is why I roll my eyes when people say "the majority of gamers are still gaming at 1080p according to the Steam Survey!" Sure, if you account for alllllllll the old systems & budget laptops, and people who login once a year or play a single old game. But if you could isolate the actual daily/frequent users who buy & play new games consistently, I highly doubt the majority are still at 1080p.
This blackfriday I upgraded my old AM4 build from a R5 2600X + GTX 1060 6GB to a 5700X3D + RX 7900XT, and I haven't regretted staying on AM4 and spending more on the GPU a single second so far.
@@macblink Yeah, managed to grab one for just over $600, paid $190 for the 5700X3D , the rest of my ~$1000-1100 budget went to a new PSU, case (+ some fans) and a new cooler. VERY happy with the upgrade.
I got a 5700x3d instead of an am5 chip because even thou i also have to change the mobo for that 5700x3d, at least i get to keep using the same ram i have right since i would be able to buy new ddr5 memories anyway and the prices are fairly cheaper compared to am5/ddr5 parts. Also could save a few bucks for a better gpu down the line.
For a $1000 budget I was able to grab a 7600x processor, 32GB of RAM, a motherboard, and a XFX Merc 319 7800XT GPU. These mid-end chips aren't as "mid" as most people would assume. This rig is INSANE now compared to my old one. Definitely don't sleep on the mid-range chips y'all
In my case I got a 7600 instead, because that meant I got to have a lot of storage space, especially now at a time where games would rather be >100GB than
@@pulsed13 You can thank 4K support for the games being 100+ GB. Most of the space are 4K resources. Take Space Marine for example: 160 GB overall, 91.5 GB of which is a 4K pack. Or any Skyrim texture mod: the difference of size between 2K and 4K textures is isnane.
It's purely because of the 7700K / 1080Ti era. It's still good enough for 99% of 1080P gaming... and thus look at what the average res / refresh rate is on Steam. I'm aware it's obviously influenced by every computer with Steam (like low end notebooks at 15 year old computers)
I only replaced my 5820k system with a 7800X3D a few weeks ago. Most people's CPU's last them at least 4 or 5 years... if not close to 10 years like me.
I'm still running my R5 1600 (not f) from almost the same time as the 7700k. Those 1080s definitely swaying the GPU side, but AMD has been common since the same time as the 7700k (January '17 for 7700k, April '17 for R5 1600)
I got my 7800X3D about 2 weeks before they announced the 9800X3D for $325.00 US. Guess i got it before everyone started raising the price. I did get it in a bundle from Microcenter and i actually got it 1 day before it completely sold out. Upgraded from a 3700X which is still very good and never had any issues but the 7800X3D is by far better for gaming. Plus i gave my 3700X and 2080 Super to my 9 year old Nephew which will be good enough for 5-10 years especially for the games he currently plays.
well im on a 5700X3D that I got for Black Friday coming off a R5 3600 and I think I'll change when AM6 launches because AM5 will drop in price and I will be able to rebuild a pc with the higher end components of the AM5 socket which seems like it works the best moneywise to do. I could've upgraded to AM5 this black friday but it would've cost me at the very least 300-400 usd more so I kept it AM4 until AM5 becomes current AM4 price. I decided to use the AM5 upgrade money on a RX 7800XT since the 3060 12gb OC that im using now is not good for my 1440p 144hz monitors
I upgraded to a 5600 from a 1600 and was tempted to get the 5800X3D instead but by that point my motherboard was already old enough already. It was a nice little stopgap measure of an upgrade but within the next year I'll likely go to a 9800X3D mostly to get more and faster M.2 slots. Plus that whole USB-C thing.
Well, I temporarily upgraded my 3600x to 5700x3d so cpu can handle my new 4080s, but thinking of moving on am5 cuz of new usb4 and pcie 5. (I don't think I will upgrade gpu in 3-4 years for sure).
I got a 5800X3D a few months back when it was still on shelves and don't plan on upgrading for at least another 3 years. The AM4 platform longetivity is insane. Upgraded from an R5 3600.
As someone who keeps up with what's going on in the CPU world, AMD does look like the most promising buy to me right now. That being said,I bought an i7-9700 five years ago, and upgrading will take a new motherboard and likely new ram as well which makes the process of switching to a new cpu (let alone AMD) a significant hassle. Combine ppl like me with prebuilts and laptops and it makes sense how intel is still on top, though as you said they'll likely continue to bleed in the steamcharts
'As someone who keeps up with what's going on in the CPU world' ... exactly !. You "keep up" with it and hence might buy and AMD. But the fact is that a majority of non-technical customers are not that familiar with AMD. I don't think Steam charts are showing old sales. A majority of people simply buy prebuilt machines for gaming and business and I see most of those having intel CPUs. Sales of raw CPUs by private individuals has nothing to do with how most end consumers get the CPUs in their machines (which is usually through OEMs who are still highly skewed towards Intel).
I mean, you have to upgrade your motherboard anyways from that 9th gen intel if you want to upgrade at all. So there is actually not more hassle between upgrading to a AMD or Intel CPU, it is the same amount of work. The only real viable argument is that you have ddr4 ram already and that intel chips currently support both ddr4 and ddr5, but thats all about it really.
Yup, and Intel is doing a bang-up job marketing to commercial PC producers. Roughly 2/3 of prebuilt gaming PCs I'm seeing use Intel (and often not great Intel CPUs either).
Yep, still have PCs dating from 2011, 2013, and 2015 active in my circle of friends/relatives and pushing averages back. I know because a lot of their parts are my hand me downs.
No, even last quarter, Intel’s market share was over 70%. AMD has never outsold Intel, despite everyone acting like Intel is going bankrupt. AMD is still the massive underdog. Intel’s revenue is 2 or 3 times more than AMD’s
@@EricJW about two years ago i was running a RX580 with an i5 7600k, and i've just recently swapped my CPU for a Ryzen 5 5600X and a year ago the RX580 for a 2080
@@particle_wave7614 That's probably true if you include corporate markets, but this whole video and the Steam Hardware Survey aren't about them. In the space Steam represents, AMD has been outselling Intel overall since 2018 or so. You need to look at the market share rates of change, not the total percentages. AMD has gone from less than 10% to 35%. That 25% market capture could only happen if the rate of new AMD CPUs entering the market was higher than the rate of new Intel CPUs entering the market.
@@Ferrari255GTO Nice! I'm personally running a 5800X3D and a 7900 XTX. I previously wouldn't go for GPUs that high, but I really wanted the 24GB VRAM for projects, and Nvidia's decent options for that cost way more.
Let's be real here. Zen 3 CPU's are goated. They're great value for the buck with great performance & none of the drawbacks of the earlier Zen generations.
Never forget folks, if you live in the us and have a microcenter by you, the cpu will be even cheaper. At one point in bundles the 7800x3d was like $200
Crazy thing about that processor as well is if you have a micro center they have the bundle that is literally the same price as the processor by itself and you get a motherboard processor and RAM
I can totally understand why AM4 is topping sales. It's a platform so many people invested in, think early covid as well when everyone was at home. And with super low prices it's just an easily justifiable upgrade. I perosnally got a 5950x for my workstation, and a 5700X3D for my gaming rig, both for nearly 60% under original MSRP. I'm super happy with my systems performance, so moving to an entirely new platform which would require a CPU, Mobo, and RAM upgrade is not justifiable IMO.
I built my first pc back in 2020 with an r5 2600, and (thanks to being in Brazil where building PCs is especially expensive) never upgraded it until this last black friday with the 5700x3d when it had a decent price, basically came at the perfect timing for me and I expect to be using it for at least 5 or so more years
I’m someone from that Intel chart. Been on 6th gen intel for a while now, considered upgrading some times now, but it’s just not worth it. All modern games I play (real 3d games, and not LoL, etc) are giving me 100+ frames, which is still plenty for me. Windows 11 also works great on it. (Slightly overclocked)
My kiddo runs my old 7700K and I can tell you there is a huge difference. If you play over 60 FPS that is. I upgraded to a 12700KF for less than $220 and I love this chip its fuckin fast. I don't care what the AMD guys say, Intel 12th gen is an amazing platform. If Intel didn't try to use silicon from 70 years ago maybe 13th and 14th gen would have been decent.
@@HardWhereHero 12th gen is hands down the best value you can buy today. Probably why I've built like 5 of them recently. AMD can't even come close to the performance per dollar for gaming or production. Hell, even 13th and 14th gen have seen some solid price cuts and the 14900k is approaching $400, plus the instability issues have been fixed. (I guess that's one upside to 15th gen's release.) The AMD fanboys are just really loud bragging about gaming performance at a resolution no enthusiast plays at with a graphics card no one owns. Ironic all the years AMD fans cried about Intel prices for having the gaming win, but magically it's OK if AMD charges far more for the exact same reason? 🤣 AMD was the value king then. Intel is the value king now.
@@HardWhereHero The thing is, yes AMD chips are beating intel however at a certain point it doesn't matter. 200+ frames on a display with 170 hz refresh rate is meaningless... the monitor isn't going to refresh faster magically. On top of that as soon as you value quality of graphics over pure framerate your GPU becomes much more important than your CPU. So yeah, in all fairness to AMD... they are the better option at this moment, however it actually doesn't matter for the average user. Also, the whole Intel is bad vibe on UA-cam is overdramatization. Yes, Intel dropped the ball with 13th and 14th gen I7/I9 CPUs. The issue is also resolved by now. On top of that 12th gen, like what you rock, is perfectly fine. Heck I upgraded earlier this year from a 7th gen I7 and the problem of that PC wasn't really the CPU but actually the GPU and the fact it rocked an obsolete HDD instead of SSD.
And in my opinion you are better off staying with 6th Gen if that is serving you well. I went from 7th Gen to 13th Gen and I now spend more time trying to manage the horrendously high temperatures, than actually enjoying the performance. most of the time I undervolt the13th Gen CPU to keep its temps below 90C and l end up wondering what's the point in bothering with an undervolted 13th gen compared to a normally running (or even overclocked) 7th Gen giving far better temps. A friend of mine is having the same issues with his newer AMD and missing his old AMD. Though we are both on laptops, maybe PC users can utilize the 13th gens and equivalent AMDs better through more powerful cooling. But the newer CPUs are pain to manage thermally in laptops.
Everyone should want a good and balanced competition between AMD and intel. The only way to drive innovation and actually give these giant corporations a reason to try to cater to their customers is for there to be a viable alternative.
@@danortiz And Intel was bigger than AMD anyway because of collusion with Microsoft and pretty much every Windows OEM at the time. Which the EU did sue over, but then Intel just had to pay the cost of doing business and their karma has come back to bite them in the ass.
I wish Intel would just take the L and lower their prices, I have been on team blue for forever and their chips aren't bad (usually) and the integrated graphics are way better and easier available than AMD's. But the price is just too compelling to switch, though upgrading nowadays is not that important, nobody really needs a top of the line CPU, GPU, fast RAM and storage are more important.
I quite literally bought a 5700X3D earlier this week to keep my AM4 system chugging along. It's replacing a 2700X. I only game at 1080p (until my monitor dies at least...), and upgrading to a whole new PC would be pretty pointless.
Planning on doing the same thing once next gen GPU's start releasing. My 2700X and 2070S have served me well for the past 4.5ish years but they are starting to show their age, especially in newer titles at 1440p.
Same but I just swapped out from a 1600af which was really struggling these days lol and I’m also on 1080 and still rocking my 1660s for now but that cpu upgrade has made an incredible difference
5950x with a 4070 is beast mode and super affordable now. Only drawback is you need to be careful when buying used am4 motherboards as the bios may not be up to date and not compatible out of the box without flashing it. I picked up the processor new for less than USD $300 over the summer and could not be happier. plays every single game I have now at max settings and not issues.
I scored a 7600x3D on Black Friday. Its nice. Whatever the current x3D chip ends up being down the road will be a valid upgrade path too. Intel has a lot of work to do win me back.
@@zayam5401 I got the Microcenter bundle for $400. It's currently $450 unfortunately. The CPU alone is $300. The best route to go is if you are building AM5 for the first time, or you're already on AM5 and can sell the mobo and ram and make back most of the money. If you're on AM4 the 5800x3D competes with the 7600x3D. The big difference with 7600x3D is the increased efficiency at a max power draw of 65 watts. They go back and forth depending on the title. There are good reasons to go ahead and make the jump forward now though, especially if you're concerned about any potential tariffs.
@zayam5401 I got the Microcenter bundle for $400. It's currently $450 unfortunately. The CPU alone is $300. The best route to go is if you are building AM5 for the first time, or you're already on AM5 and can sell the mobo and ram and make back most of the money. If you're on AM4 the 5800x3D competes with the 7600x3D. The big difference with 7600x3D is the increased efficiency at a max power draw of 65 watts. They go back and forth depending on the title. There are good reasons to go ahead and make the jump forward now though, especially if you're concerned about potential price hikes with the future presidential administrations coming in.
Hate to tell ya, but its really overpriced for the fps your getting on that one (if we compare it to the actual MSRP prices of all the CPUs, and not the inflated stuff of now). Those black Friday deals at 289 euro are not really deals. Basically buy a 5700X3D + MB + Cooler, is the same (often cheaper) price, for a slightly lower FPS.
Steam hardware survey is based on any system that has a steam account that gets random selected for the thing. Lots of older systems, pre-builts, and laptops. DIY PC having a higher adoption rate of higher end/ non intel/NVIDIA parts isn't going to touch that market, because the _vast majority_ of gamers aren't gaming on DIY hardware. Until Dell and HP start prioritizing better parts instead of their brand partners... well, we're stuck in a monoculture.
They should really include a statistic in their detection when a user known for using a particular configuration switches to a new configuration and uses that for a while. This should theoretically detect when people are upgrading their PCs and will give a data point on what they are upgrading to.
@@drackar I think laptops should be an entirely separate category regardless, and how would the Steam hardware survey know whether a system was pre-made or custom built?
Dell and HP can’t prioritize on “better” parts when AMD doesn’t give them enough parts for supplies. Apparently, OEMs found working with AMD is very frustrating because very often they would only receive the chips they ordered from AMD late. While AMD does send the OEM their orders on time, but often times they are not the full order, the rest of the order will only come later, way passed the deadline agreed between AMD and the OEMs. This is why OEMs only have limited amount of AMD laptop at a time, they don’t get enough chips from AMD to make more laptop. On the other hand, Intel makes sure they send all their chips to the OEMs in time even with discount when they buying them, which is well within Intel’s right to do. If AMD wants to have more of the laptop market, start sending the OEMs their chips on time first.
Dell and HP can’t prioritize on “better” parts when AMD doesn’t give them enough parts for supplies. Apparently, OEMs found working with AMD is very frustrating because very often they would only receive the chips they ordered from AMD late. While AMD does send the OEM their orders on time, but often times they are not the full order, the rest of the order will only come later, way passed the deadline agreed between AMD and the OEMs. This is why OEMs only have limited amount of AMD laptop at a time, they don’t get enough chips from AMD to make more laptop. On the other hand, Intel makes sure they send all their chips to the OEMs in time even with discount when they buying them, which is well within Intel’s right to do. If AMD wants to have more of the laptop market, start sending the OEMs their chips on time first.
5:06 if you find it on aliexpress from the right seller, you can go even lower to $130. Although, it is a tray processor and will not be honored by AMD's warranty.
@@quisqueyanguy120 12100F 70€ or 12400F 120€ + B760M PG Riptide 115€ + CL30 6000 32gig ram 100€. This budget combo can give you a really good upgrade. The 12100F at 5.1GHz matches the 5600X overclocked while the 12400F at 5.3GHz the 7500F in 90% games.
@@kazuviking ASRock B760m PG Riptide is the cheapest one to allow BCLK OC (only on 12th gen btw). A 12490F at 4.6GHz all cores matches and even beats a 7500F at 1440p.
@@G4naD I've had my i7-8700 with GTX 1060 6gb for a long time but I've upgraded to a Ryzen 5 7600 with the Intel Arc B580, what a time to be alive indeed☺️
@@danr8011 he is talking about ideal setup, that means that it's also for people who consider budget. That you are able to afford a 9800x3d and a rtx 4090, doesn't mean everyone can and it certainly isn't ideal.
Yikes? What do you mean yikes? Things are shifting in a big way and my body is ready for it. One of the biggest pleasures in life is witnessing a company getting complacent because of dominance and having that dominance finally snatched away from it because of a less complacent competitor.
Yep, right now AMD is holding it in new systems, but it does seem like they might be getting to the end of the road on the Ryzen architecture and Intel's core series is new. I'm excited to see what will happen as these are usually the best times for hardware.
I love the fact that AMD4 CPUs can be had for a song these days. My current rig cost me just under 800.00. I'm currently running AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core Processor, X570 AORUS ELITE Mother Board, AMD Radeon RX 6600 XT and 128GB of DDR4 Ram.
Lots of people just haven't upgraded for a while or cannot affoed newer stuff, and of course, 5-6 years ago intel was mostly ahead still. And before that they were WAY ahead.
@Celatra in gaming performance Zen 2 was still like 10% behind, but they were cheaper and top end ones had way more cores. In 2020 with Zen 3 is when they took the lead. Edit: Love it when UA-cam fucks up the reply.
I have 12400f and i really have no need to change cpu. I will probably change my gpu from rtx 3070 to rtx 4070 super in near future. Sometame in future i will go to Amd cpu, but not for now.
I think the point is missed, not only do amazon CPU buyers change more frequently (keeping up with last couple years of trend) but I'd imagine most Intel's showing up in steam survey is coming from more prebuilt or custom built PCs from the gaming space. Maybe reach out to some of the prebuilt and custom build sellers you know and ask what they sell the most of.
Back during Prime Day 2, the 5700X3D was on sale for $180-$190. At that price range, LGA 1700’s price advantage (w/ a DDR4 board) erodes somewhat especially now that both sockets are “dead platforms”, and that only applies to 12th gen since everyone’s afraid to buy a 13th/“14th gen” intel because of CPU-dying-issues 7800X3D I remember at 1 point as low as $350 several months ago, but I think AMD pulled a RTX4090 hence the high price now for the 7800X3D
7800x3d here with 32GB DDR5 RAM and 4070ti Super, im running any game @ 1440p at high/ultra settings at 150+fps, the 7800x3d is very much worth the money
I have a 5700X and a 4080 because I didn't waste money on a 7800X3D, so I'm running any game except Cyberpunk, and Wukong (I haven't played Alan Wake but I'm sure it'll be the third one) @4K at max settings at 100+ FPS *shrug*
Not everyone is a LTT employee who gets a free $5000 upgrade every year or two. Most of us upgrade only 1-2 times a decade, and while theres no doubt who's on top atm, 5-10 years ago, it was a very different story.
I think 10 years is quite some time. Nonetheless, many people are still using 8th, 9th, and 10th Gen Intel processors. The 8th Gen is arguably in a grey area concerning performance-I don't think it's powerful enough anymore. A 9th Gen i7 or i9 would probably still perform well, and the 10th Gen remains a strong option. Plus, anything beyond the 10th Gen is worth considering, aside from the questionable 13th and 14th Gen CPUs. It's also worth noting that Intel was the standard for most pre-built systems - AMD Pre-built wasn't and maybe still isn't really a very common thing.
Also worth noting that Steam Survey also involves laptops, where Intel is a lot more competitive. I know this channel generally ignores laptop hardware these days outside of Short Circuit unboxings, but yeah. Most people aren't really going out to buy new desktop hardware compared to laptop after all.
You completely forgot about the huge sale that the 7800x3d went on for. About 250 dollars for one of the best gaming cpus on the market. Im so lucky i boutht mine then
I personally only use my gaming machine for gaming, I think that intel i5 is a better experience than my ryzen. I only like intel i5s for price savings and single core performance. I think intel is also nice for older software and games that I play. I only spent $250 for my cpu and motherboard and spent $600 on my 4070 and felt that if I spent more money I’d get a 4070ti or 4080.
For me it was simple: I had a B550 motherboard, wanted to upgrade, and for under $200 I would have a faster computer. The difference between a 5700X3D and a 5800X3D in performance versus price sold me
i just swapped from ryzen 7 5700 to intel i7 14700k. needed thunderbolt for my apollo twin x, and amd doesn’t have as much support, when intel does for thunderbolt. loving this cpu so far
I live in greece but i think the same things apply in Europe over all. During late 2021 and early 2023 it was impossible to buy a B550 or a A520 motherboard for normal price dont know exactly why so a lot of people just choose Intel because they could accually get good motherboard for a fair price. I myself have build 3 Intel builds with the i3-10105f and 1 with the i5-10400f the difference for an amd equivalent with the motherboard included was +100€ or more (plus in amd you should go for good 3200Mhz ram that was 10-15€ more)
Just got the 7700x yesterday and upgraded from the 2700x. It’s insane the speeds that ddr5 and am5 CPU’s can reach, with each core sitting around 5.2ghz, and the ram at 4800mhz (previously 2800mhz) makes for a seamless experience in gaming and general use. I would definitely recommend if anyone’s trying to upgrade from am4 to am5 for a solid price, especially with the holiday sales around us!
@ yeah I hadn’t boosted it yet, it’s rated for 7200mhz. For my purposes though just its base clock speed is significantly better than my old ddr4 so I don’t mind
I do not know if its a problem in Canada, but here in the states, Amazon has a massive, and I mean MASSIVE issue with 3rd party sellers. See, by default amazon shows you the lowest prices for a listing, because normally that's what people want. However, they make it difficult to see the seller with just tiny print off to the side, and what some people have been doing is "selling" these processors that never show up or only have a box. Its a big issue, happened to me and my dad twice before we starting being super aware of it. Fortunately, amazon is pretty decent about returns and refunds
great combo. still have an 8700-2080 kicking around myself. If not for finding some killer deals, it'd still be my main. still runs everything at 2k med/high just fine.
@@jhuh7770 steam hardware survey keeps getting sampling Asian Internet cafe machines and those usually come with Intel/nvidia. It is largely misleading, that’s why you often see discontinued versions of windows getting market share here and there.
Both CPUs are amazing i don't think it was a necessary upgrade lol, but I'm glad you are enjoying that CPU, I ordered mine and it'll arrive on the 20th Dec (r7 5700x3d)
5700X3D gets a gaming improvement of up to 30 percent compared to a 5900X. The 3D V cache is a game changer. Mainly noticeable is the better 1 percent lows which smooths out the frame rates considerably.
@@Bottlecapy yeah the key point is up to 30 % didnt see that many games going up that high mostly about 5-7 FPS on a big number of games. But as someone mentioned wasnt necessary in my opinion, but what ever you like you can if you have the money to spend its your choice at the end. If your system is well opiutimized with ram and everything else 1% low isnt an issue, at least not for me because dont have a bad experience with that. Cheers!
As an 5600X user, the fact I can drop in a 5700X3D and give my existing AM4 platform and breathe a bit more life into it without replacing my entire MOBO is highly appealing. Why do a platform upgrade when I can pay $200 for a drop-in replacement?
I watched about five seconds and immediately knew why Intel dominates Steam survey data. Not many people, even gamers, build their own PCs. Almost everyone has a prebuilt... and prebuilts are almost exclusively intel. Most offerings from Dell, HP, etc. have Intel as the main or only option available.
The steam hardware survey is based on people using steam. The sales of CPUs on amazon reflects mostly people building custom pcs. I don't know what percentage that is of people on steam but my guess is it would not be that high a percentage. At least in the past prebuilt systems were more common than custom ones. I myself custom choose my parts but get someone else to build it so I don't buy my parts off amazon but rather off the builder.
Amd is legit better in every way right now, with how dogshit the last 2 Intel gens are, especially since everyone who doesn't keep up with the latest Intel blog posts is going to have a dead 13/14th gen in a year or 2 because of the vmin shift bug and with how badly arrow lake is bombing, as someone whose owned oy Intel chips willingly since the 2400k and used Intel core and core duos while growing up Intel is kind of a dogshit company in terms of it's newest products
It's probably been said a million times already, but the reason Intel has such a market lead is because so many of these are old systems that haven't been upgraded yet. Most people don't upgrade very often.
I work in a Best Buy and the vast majority of computers here have Intel chips. People who don't really know much and just walk in and buy a gaming system will more than likely end up with Intel. Obviously the enthusiast market is a whole different story.
I used to get steam hardware surveys every 3-4 months on my intel laptop. Didnt get once on my AMD pc. So its misleading survey. It doesn't delete the data of old system if the user switches builds.
paid $180 for a 5700x3d and got 16gb more ram just for future proofing, got a 3060ti very excited for 5070 launch so i can have 5700x3d and 5070 and that is gonna be future proofed for quite a while.
Steam hardware survey really needs to break down into more detail about what gets added yearly and what goes away as well as let you filter by how many hours a pc actually ran something from steam
I think you're forgetting how much older systems with a 3600 or 2700X upgrading to 5700X3D are likely contributing to sales of that CPU. It's pretty much the one and only obvious option to go to when you want to give your AM4 system a bit more lifespan.
Bought 1400 R5 as my starter PC Build in 2017, with the same motherboard I upgraded to 5700x3D R7 in 2022, AMD has always been flexible with upgradeability, but in 5 years I'll have to upgrade to AM5.
It's still mind-blowingly dense and self sabotaging how intel claims they don't need to make 3D V-Cache consumer CPUs, because "intel doesn't get used for gaming". Meanwhile the majority of CPUs on Steam are intel and the status is being effected because of their refusal to be competitive. And they have the audacity to sponsor intel notebooks as "gaming" computers at the same time.
A lot of people bought new desktops and laptops during 2020-2021. Those systems typically won't need any kind of parts replacement until maybe this year or next. However, if their environment is cool and they don't have excessive dust then they wouldn't even need to replace case fans for even longer than that. That means if they're rocking Intel then that won't change for awhile longer.
Intel will keep coming on top for years because : Intel dominates the international market. Most of my friends never even heard of amd till I told them about it and some of them still get Intel. I know it's hard to know situations outside your country but it's as simple as that really.
Put new parts in my fiancées PC earlier this year with a ryzen 7 1700x, some mobo I can't remember, cpu cooler, and ram. all for less than $300. All the stuff was purchased on ebay and had no issues at all. AM4 is cheap now and still mostly holds up to what is needed.
Last year I finally upgraded from my i7-4770K to a new PC with a Ryzen 7700. Honestly it was all still super fine, the only thing I did that made my old CPU struggle hard was PS3 emulation. All the other stuff in my system was in way more of a need of an upgrade compared to my CPU's performance. It's quite incredible honestly.
the 5700X3D dropped to $180 at Microcenter about a week before Thanksgiving, and hasn't risen in price since. Upgrading to it from an R5 3600 was a no-brainer.
i recently purchased a full system upgrade. i decided it was time to make the shift from Intel to Ryzen. got myself a 9800x3d. took over 2 weeks to be delivered, due to stock issues. but its here, and i couldn't be happier
as someone mentioned, this doesn't include companies who usually just make a deal with sales, and e.g. in my company they made a deal ~a year ago and ordererd ~10k of laptops with intel gpus and cpus. imagine how much influence they have.
AMD has been at the top for years but the Steam Survey won't change that much because there's millions of old machines that might only get replaced every 5-10 years
Then, there are laptops, which Intel still has a foothold for some reason
Indeed. Like my second machine has a 7700k and it will stay so for another half decade at minimum.
@@Tranquillow2 AMD powered laptops are slowly gaining ground
@@Tranquillow2supply. AMD aren't able to supply enough chips because TSMC
Also people who upgrade from 1600 to 5600, or am5.
My guess is the intel dominance on the steam hardware survey is old systems and laptops.
Yes. I don't see a reason to upgrade.
true but give milionaire linus a break, he sounds more and more out of touch with how much normal people actually upgrade and/or can afford.
And prebuilds.
I can attest to that. I’m still using my 7 year old gaming laptop intel core i5 that I’ve had since grade 7
Which is why I roll my eyes when people say "the majority of gamers are still gaming at 1080p according to the Steam Survey!"
Sure, if you account for alllllllll the old systems & budget laptops, and people who login once a year or play a single old game.
But if you could isolate the actual daily/frequent users who buy & play new games consistently, I highly doubt the majority are still at 1080p.
Last month I upgraded from my ancient i7-4770 PC to a 5700X3D build - blown away by this £180 CPU. No regrets going AM4.
Yeah, Am4 is still the budget king. As long as people still buy Raptor lake, Am4 will still be a valid option.
i have 7 5700x3d+ rx 7800xt 💥💪
@@brainpaulino r7 5700x3d+ rtx 4070 ti super, for qhd gaming.
I upgraded to the 5700X3D literally an hour ago.
Anything would have blown your mind at that point
This blackfriday I upgraded my old AM4 build from a R5 2600X + GTX 1060 6GB to a 5700X3D + RX 7900XT, and I haven't regretted staying on AM4 and spending more on the GPU a single second so far.
Same but I got myself 4070 ti super instead
5700X3D enjoyer here aswell
@@ChIMeRaTeX yoo RX 7900XT what a BEAST of a gpu 👍🏻
@@macblink Yeah, managed to grab one for just over $600, paid $190 for the 5700X3D , the rest of my ~$1000-1100 budget went to a new PSU, case (+ some fans) and a new cooler. VERY happy with the upgrade.
I got a 5700x3d instead of an am5 chip because even thou i also have to change the mobo for that 5700x3d, at least i get to keep using the same ram i have right since i would be able to buy new ddr5 memories anyway and the prices are fairly cheaper compared to am5/ddr5 parts. Also could save a few bucks for a better gpu down the line.
For a $1000 budget I was able to grab a 7600x processor, 32GB of RAM, a motherboard, and a XFX Merc 319 7800XT GPU. These mid-end chips aren't as "mid" as most people would assume. This rig is INSANE now compared to my old one. Definitely don't sleep on the mid-range chips y'all
In my case I got a 7600 instead, because that meant I got to have a lot of storage space, especially now at a time where games would rather be >100GB than
@@pulsed13 You can thank 4K support for the games being 100+ GB. Most of the space are 4K resources. Take Space Marine for example: 160 GB overall, 91.5 GB of which is a 4K pack. Or any Skyrim texture mod: the difference of size between 2K and 4K textures is isnane.
It's purely because of the 7700K / 1080Ti era. It's still good enough for 99% of 1080P gaming... and thus look at what the average res / refresh rate is on Steam. I'm aware it's obviously influenced by every computer with Steam (like low end notebooks at 15 year old computers)
It’s true I just last week replaced my old intel 1080 system
I still have a 7700k so I can at least vouch for that.
I only replaced my 5820k system with a 7800X3D a few weeks ago.
Most people's CPU's last them at least 4 or 5 years... if not close to 10 years like me.
I'm still running my R5 1600 (not f) from almost the same time as the 7700k. Those 1080s definitely swaying the GPU side, but AMD has been common since the same time as the 7700k (January '17 for 7700k, April '17 for R5 1600)
I'm still rocking a 6700k in my old computer that my wife uses now.
Current build has a 13700k but I wish I had gone AMD instead.
The 7800X3D even hit €329 before the 9800X3D launched where I live; now it starts at €499.
Seems like someone trying to clear some stock before the new product launched lol
Got mine for 350€ back in march. It's insane how expensive it got in just a few months.
i paid 355€ in April for my 7800x3d
I got my 7800X3D about 2 weeks before they announced the 9800X3D for $325.00 US. Guess i got it before everyone started raising the price. I did get it in a bundle from Microcenter and i actually got it 1 day before it completely sold out.
Upgraded from a 3700X which is still very good and never had any issues but the 7800X3D is by far better for gaming. Plus i gave my 3700X and 2080 Super to my 9 year old Nephew which will be good enough for 5-10 years especially for the games he currently plays.
7800X3D at 15th sep 2024 - €414. less than ~1month later it went up to 430-€450 and nowadays it's at 490-€513.. while 9800X3D starting at €560 .
5800X3D owners are only going to change when the second CPU in AM6 launches. It's that amazing.
well im on a 5700X3D that I got for Black Friday coming off a R5 3600 and I think I'll change when AM6 launches because AM5 will drop in price and I will be able to rebuild a pc with the higher end components of the AM5 socket which seems like it works the best moneywise to do. I could've upgraded to AM5 this black friday but it would've cost me at the very least 300-400 usd more so I kept it AM4 until AM5 becomes current AM4 price. I decided to use the AM5 upgrade money on a RX 7800XT since the 3060 12gb OC that im using now is not good for my 1440p 144hz monitors
I upgraded to a 5600 from a 1600 and was tempted to get the 5800X3D instead but by that point my motherboard was already old enough already. It was a nice little stopgap measure of an upgrade but within the next year I'll likely go to a 9800X3D mostly to get more and faster M.2 slots. Plus that whole USB-C thing.
Truth
Well, I temporarily upgraded my 3600x to 5700x3d so cpu can handle my new 4080s, but thinking of moving on am5 cuz of new usb4 and pcie 5. (I don't think I will upgrade gpu in 3-4 years for sure).
I have a 5800x and that is actually my intent. AM6 after the growing pains.
I got a 5800X3D a few months back when it was still on shelves and don't plan on upgrading for at least another 3 years. The AM4 platform longetivity is insane. Upgraded from an R5 3600.
Did the same its night and day differnce
Same exact upgrade here.
I have excellent performance and don't think about upgrading for few years.
same this is the way especially if u have a 4k 240hz monitor, gpu bound for life
3 years? Lmao that CPU is so good it might last you 5+ years . I got one and don't plan to upgrade until like AM6
As someone who keeps up with what's going on in the CPU world, AMD does look like the most promising buy to me right now. That being said,I bought an i7-9700 five years ago, and upgrading will take a new motherboard and likely new ram as well which makes the process of switching to a new cpu (let alone AMD) a significant hassle. Combine ppl like me with prebuilts and laptops and it makes sense how intel is still on top, though as you said they'll likely continue to bleed in the steamcharts
'As someone who keeps up with what's going on in the CPU world' ... exactly !. You "keep up" with it and hence might buy and AMD. But the fact is that a majority of non-technical customers are not that familiar with AMD. I don't think Steam charts are showing old sales. A majority of people simply buy prebuilt machines for gaming and business and I see most of those having intel CPUs. Sales of raw CPUs by private individuals has nothing to do with how most end consumers get the CPUs in their machines (which is usually through OEMs who are still highly skewed towards Intel).
I mean, you have to upgrade your motherboard anyways from that 9th gen intel if you want to upgrade at all. So there is actually not more hassle between upgrading to a AMD or Intel CPU, it is the same amount of work. The only real viable argument is that you have ddr4 ram already and that intel chips currently support both ddr4 and ddr5, but thats all about it really.
Most consumers don't build their own PCs. Looking at which CPUs are selling on Amazon doesn't tell us which CPUs are going into all those prebuilt PCs
And the biggest buyers are companies, and they buy directly from a sales person from the brand instead of Amazon 😅
Truth
Yup, and Intel is doing a bang-up job marketing to commercial PC producers. Roughly 2/3 of prebuilt gaming PCs I'm seeing use Intel (and often not great Intel CPUs either).
But... business PCs don't game, so how do they end up on the steam survey?
@@Play-On7 Who said business PCs? There are plenty of mediocre prebuilts marketed as "gaming PCs" and sold for elevated prices.
Little sibling effect. Lots of hand me downs and secondary market entry level systems.
Yep, still have PCs dating from 2011, 2013, and 2015 active in my circle of friends/relatives and pushing averages back. I know because a lot of their parts are my hand me downs.
No, even last quarter, Intel’s market share was over 70%. AMD has never outsold Intel, despite everyone acting like Intel is going bankrupt. AMD is still the massive underdog. Intel’s revenue is 2 or 3 times more than AMD’s
@@EricJW about two years ago i was running a RX580 with an i5 7600k, and i've just recently swapped my CPU for a Ryzen 5 5600X and a year ago the RX580 for a 2080
@@particle_wave7614 That's probably true if you include corporate markets, but this whole video and the Steam Hardware Survey aren't about them. In the space Steam represents, AMD has been outselling Intel overall since 2018 or so. You need to look at the market share rates of change, not the total percentages. AMD has gone from less than 10% to 35%. That 25% market capture could only happen if the rate of new AMD CPUs entering the market was higher than the rate of new Intel CPUs entering the market.
@@Ferrari255GTO Nice! I'm personally running a 5800X3D and a 7900 XTX. I previously wouldn't go for GPUs that high, but I really wanted the 24GB VRAM for projects, and Nvidia's decent options for that cost way more.
Yeah. It's remarkable how nice the 3d cache improved things. Came from a 1700.
@@QuickQuips I just upgraded from a 1600 to a 5700X3D, the difference is incredible
Which 3D chip did you pick up? @QuickQuips
Same here.
It's also the speed boost. I came from a 2950x to a 7950x and got double the single core performance with a smaller cooler
i downgraded from a 3d cache to more cores because the 3d cache doesn't really do all that much tbh, all modern chips are just good
People who got the 7800x3d like a year ago are the real winners
Fr. I paid $500 for an entire CPU, mobo, and RAM package from MicroCenter. Now $500 is just the chip alone
I got my 78003xd for 300 euro. Exactly 1 year ago to date. Very happy with the purchase.
Let's be real here. Zen 3 CPU's are goated. They're great value for the buck with great performance & none of the drawbacks of the earlier Zen generations.
Never forget folks, if you live in the us and have a microcenter by you, the cpu will be even cheaper. At one point in bundles the 7800x3d was like $200
Only a handful of cities have one, so this is mostly non advice for the majority. Respectfully, speaking.
And just checking my local microcenter. They have the 9800x3d in stock. Though they don't have a bundle for it. They do have a 7800x3d bundle for $600
@@tancar2004 Not online, but they do offer 9800x3D bundle in-store (at least my nearest one did) with either a B650 or X670E MB + FlareX-6000 mem.
Yeah, i don't but i think Micro Center has an exclusive r5 5600x3d and it performs amazingly.
@@cz5836 it wasnt intended for the majority, it was intended for the few americans in reach of one.
0:56 well people don't usually have a yearly upgrade for cpu like their phone
Most people do not update their phone year over year.
These are only desktop CPU's, laptops might still be even playing field
No one upgrades their phone yearly anymore. And if they do, they shouldn't anymore.
we dont upgrade our phone for 3-4 years
And even a phone is something that lasts 2 years
Crazy thing about that processor as well is if you have a micro center they have the bundle that is literally the same price as the processor by itself and you get a motherboard processor and RAM
I can totally understand why AM4 is topping sales. It's a platform so many people invested in, think early covid as well when everyone was at home. And with super low prices it's just an easily justifiable upgrade.
I perosnally got a 5950x for my workstation, and a 5700X3D for my gaming rig, both for nearly 60% under original MSRP. I'm super happy with my systems performance, so moving to an entirely new platform which would require a CPU, Mobo, and RAM upgrade is not justifiable IMO.
I built my first pc back in 2020 with an r5 2600, and (thanks to being in Brazil where building PCs is especially expensive) never upgraded it until this last black friday with the 5700x3d when it had a decent price, basically came at the perfect timing for me and I expect to be using it for at least 5 or so more years
I’m someone from that Intel chart. Been on 6th gen intel for a while now, considered upgrading some times now, but it’s just not worth it. All modern games I play (real 3d games, and not LoL, etc) are giving me 100+ frames, which is still plenty for me. Windows 11 also works great on it. (Slightly overclocked)
Fair enough but I'm curious what do you usually play?
My kiddo runs my old 7700K and I can tell you there is a huge difference. If you play over 60 FPS that is. I upgraded to a 12700KF for less than $220 and I love this chip its fuckin fast. I don't care what the AMD guys say, Intel 12th gen is an amazing platform. If Intel didn't try to use silicon from 70 years ago maybe 13th and 14th gen would have been decent.
@@HardWhereHero 12th gen is hands down the best value you can buy today. Probably why I've built like 5 of them recently. AMD can't even come close to the performance per dollar for gaming or production. Hell, even 13th and 14th gen have seen some solid price cuts and the 14900k is approaching $400, plus the instability issues have been fixed. (I guess that's one upside to 15th gen's release.)
The AMD fanboys are just really loud bragging about gaming performance at a resolution no enthusiast plays at with a graphics card no one owns. Ironic all the years AMD fans cried about Intel prices for having the gaming win, but magically it's OK if AMD charges far more for the exact same reason? 🤣 AMD was the value king then. Intel is the value king now.
@@HardWhereHero The thing is, yes AMD chips are beating intel however at a certain point it doesn't matter. 200+ frames on a display with 170 hz refresh rate is meaningless... the monitor isn't going to refresh faster magically. On top of that as soon as you value quality of graphics over pure framerate your GPU becomes much more important than your CPU. So yeah, in all fairness to AMD... they are the better option at this moment, however it actually doesn't matter for the average user.
Also, the whole Intel is bad vibe on UA-cam is overdramatization. Yes, Intel dropped the ball with 13th and 14th gen I7/I9 CPUs. The issue is also resolved by now. On top of that 12th gen, like what you rock, is perfectly fine. Heck I upgraded earlier this year from a 7th gen I7 and the problem of that PC wasn't really the CPU but actually the GPU and the fact it rocked an obsolete HDD instead of SSD.
And in my opinion you are better off staying with 6th Gen if that is serving you well. I went from 7th Gen to 13th Gen and I now spend more time trying to manage the horrendously high temperatures, than actually enjoying the performance. most of the time I undervolt the13th Gen CPU to keep its temps below 90C and l end up wondering what's the point in bothering with an undervolted 13th gen compared to a normally running (or even overclocked) 7th Gen giving far better temps. A friend of mine is having the same issues with his newer AMD and missing his old AMD. Though we are both on laptops, maybe PC users can utilize the 13th gens and equivalent AMDs better through more powerful cooling. But the newer CPUs are pain to manage thermally in laptops.
Everyone should want a good and balanced competition between AMD and intel. The only way to drive innovation and actually give these giant corporations a reason to try to cater to their customers is for there to be a viable alternative.
And if that can’t happen, make that happen with regulation.
You might not be old enough but AMD had unlockable cores on CPUs
@@danortiz And Intel was bigger than AMD anyway because of collusion with Microsoft and pretty much every Windows OEM at the time.
Which the EU did sue over, but then Intel just had to pay the cost of doing business and their karma has come back to bite them in the ass.
Intel just doesn't want to be the Viable Alternative though
I wish Intel would just take the L and lower their prices, I have been on team blue for forever and their chips aren't bad (usually) and the integrated graphics are way better and easier available than AMD's. But the price is just too compelling to switch, though upgrading nowadays is not that important, nobody really needs a top of the line CPU, GPU, fast RAM and storage are more important.
I quite literally bought a 5700X3D earlier this week to keep my AM4 system chugging along. It's replacing a 2700X. I only game at 1080p (until my monitor dies at least...), and upgrading to a whole new PC would be pretty pointless.
You are set for 4 more years.
And then whatever happens right?
Planning on doing the same thing once next gen GPU's start releasing. My 2700X and 2070S have served me well for the past 4.5ish years but they are starting to show their age, especially in newer titles at 1440p.
I did the exact same thing a week ago. And I couldn't be happier with the result :-)
Same but I just swapped out from a 1600af which was really struggling these days lol and I’m also on 1080 and still rocking my 1660s for now but that cpu upgrade has made an incredible difference
3:13 Looks like Userbenchmark got to the reviews again
Intel CPU is better because.....um..It has ultra in its name or something
-Userbenchmarks(probably)
Userbenchmark is the website that developers use to set up the sys requirements... You know that... Right?
5950x with a 4070 is beast mode and super affordable now. Only drawback is you need to be careful when buying used am4 motherboards as the bios may not be up to date and not compatible out of the box without flashing it. I picked up the processor new for less than USD $300 over the summer and could not be happier. plays every single game I have now at max settings and not issues.
I scored a 7600x3D on Black Friday. Its nice. Whatever the current x3D chip ends up being down the road will be a valid upgrade path too. Intel has a lot of work to do win me back.
@@ClamChowder95 for how much?
@@zayam5401 I got the Microcenter bundle for $400. It's currently $450 unfortunately. The CPU alone is $300. The best route to go is if you are building AM5 for the first time, or you're already on AM5 and can sell the mobo and ram and make back most of the money. If you're on AM4 the 5800x3D competes with the 7600x3D. The big difference with 7600x3D is the increased efficiency at a max power draw of 65 watts. They go back and forth depending on the title. There are good reasons to go ahead and make the jump forward now though, especially if you're concerned about any potential tariffs.
@zayam5401 I got the Microcenter bundle for $400. It's currently $450 unfortunately. The CPU alone is $300. The best route to go is if you are building AM5 for the first time, or you're already on AM5 and can sell the mobo and ram and make back most of the money. If you're on AM4 the 5800x3D competes with the 7600x3D. The big difference with 7600x3D is the increased efficiency at a max power draw of 65 watts. They go back and forth depending on the title. There are good reasons to go ahead and make the jump forward now though, especially if you're concerned about potential price hikes with the future presidential administrations coming in.
Hate to tell ya, but its really overpriced for the fps your getting on that one (if we compare it to the actual MSRP prices of all the CPUs, and not the inflated stuff of now). Those black Friday deals at 289 euro are not really deals. Basically buy a 5700X3D + MB + Cooler, is the same (often cheaper) price, for a slightly lower FPS.
@@benjiro8793but the fact that you're on a modern platform means that he won't need a new motherboard and ram next upgrade, so we'll see
Steam hardware survey is based on any system that has a steam account that gets random selected for the thing. Lots of older systems, pre-builts, and laptops. DIY PC having a higher adoption rate of higher end/ non intel/NVIDIA parts isn't going to touch that market, because the _vast majority_ of gamers aren't gaming on DIY hardware.
Until Dell and HP start prioritizing better parts instead of their brand partners... well, we're stuck in a monoculture.
They should really include a statistic in their detection when a user known for using a particular configuration switches to a new configuration and uses that for a while. This should theoretically detect when people are upgrading their PCs and will give a data point on what they are upgrading to.
@Abion47 or just bake in a percentage that are pre made and or laptops.
@@drackar I think laptops should be an entirely separate category regardless, and how would the Steam hardware survey know whether a system was pre-made or custom built?
Dell and HP can’t prioritize on “better” parts when AMD doesn’t give them enough parts for supplies. Apparently, OEMs found working with AMD is very frustrating because very often they would only receive the chips they ordered from AMD late. While AMD does send the OEM their orders on time, but often times they are not the full order, the rest of the order will only come later, way passed the deadline agreed between AMD and the OEMs. This is why OEMs only have limited amount of AMD laptop at a time, they don’t get enough chips from AMD to make more laptop. On the other hand, Intel makes sure they send all their chips to the OEMs in time even with discount when they buying them, which is well within Intel’s right to do. If AMD wants to have more of the laptop market, start sending the OEMs their chips on time first.
Dell and HP can’t prioritize on “better” parts when AMD doesn’t give them enough parts for supplies. Apparently, OEMs found working with AMD is very frustrating because very often they would only receive the chips they ordered from AMD late. While AMD does send the OEM their orders on time, but often times they are not the full order, the rest of the order will only come later, way passed the deadline agreed between AMD and the OEMs. This is why OEMs only have limited amount of AMD laptop at a time, they don’t get enough chips from AMD to make more laptop. On the other hand, Intel makes sure they send all their chips to the OEMs in time even with discount when they buying them, which is well within Intel’s right to do. If AMD wants to have more of the laptop market, start sending the OEMs their chips on time first.
5:06 if you find it on aliexpress from the right seller, you can go even lower to $130. Although, it is a tray processor and will not be honored by AMD's warranty.
upgrading from a Ryzen 5 5600x to a Ryzen 7 5700x3d. Didn't even have to replace my motherboard. Win.
12100/400F overclocked is still the goat of budget cpus in the EU.
Outside the US Intel is still king. Most businesses love Intel CPUs for productivity tasks.
But aren't they locked chips? I thought you couldn't OC them.
@@BobTheChainsawMan Some motherboards can do BCLK overclock. The 12400F at 5.2GHz matches the 7500F in 90% of games.
@@quisqueyanguy120 12100F 70€ or 12400F 120€ + B760M PG Riptide 115€ + CL30 6000 32gig ram 100€. This budget combo can give you a really good upgrade.
The 12100F at 5.1GHz matches the 5600X overclocked while the 12400F at 5.3GHz the 7500F in 90% games.
@@kazuviking ASRock B760m PG Riptide is the cheapest one to allow BCLK OC (only on 12th gen btw). A 12490F at 4.6GHz all cores matches and even beats a 7500F at 1440p.
AMD CPU and Intel GPU being the ideal setup, what a time to be alive
@@G4naD I've had my i7-8700 with GTX 1060 6gb for a long time but I've upgraded to a Ryzen 5 7600 with the Intel Arc B580, what a time to be alive indeed☺️
ur wrong amd everything amd cpu and gpu is the meta
if you buy 9800X3D, 7800X3D, or even 5700X3D, there is no Intel GPU to make a good match for that
@@danr8011 why u missing out hella cpus tho💀 like why 5700x3d a d not 5800x3d and why missing out 7700x,7600 eg:?
@@danr8011 he is talking about ideal setup, that means that it's also for people who consider budget. That you are able to afford a 9800x3d and a rtx 4090, doesn't mean everyone can and it certainly isn't ideal.
Yikes? What do you mean yikes? Things are shifting in a big way and my body is ready for it. One of the biggest pleasures in life is witnessing a company getting complacent because of dominance and having that dominance finally snatched away from it because of a less complacent competitor.
Yep, right now AMD is holding it in new systems, but it does seem like they might be getting to the end of the road on the Ryzen architecture and Intel's core series is new. I'm excited to see what will happen as these are usually the best times for hardware.
I love the fact that AMD4 CPUs can be had for a song these days. My current rig cost me just under 800.00. I'm currently running AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core Processor, X570 AORUS ELITE Mother Board, AMD Radeon RX 6600 XT and 128GB of DDR4 Ram.
I upgraded to the 5800X3D right as 7000 series launched and am still VERY happy with my purchase.
Lots of people just haven't upgraded for a while or cannot affoed newer stuff, and of course, 5-6 years ago intel was mostly ahead still. And before that they were WAY ahead.
@@MrXaniss 5 years ago was 2019. they were barely ahead.
@Celatra in gaming performance Zen 2 was still like 10% behind, but they were cheaper and top end ones had way more cores.
In 2020 with Zen 3 is when they took the lead.
Edit: Love it when UA-cam fucks up the reply.
Thanks, Wintel cartel!
You Mean before 2018?
it took me 8 years before I upgraded but i doubt i will buy a new PC in the future.
Steam doesn't use sales data tho
It uses what people currently use, and many gamers aren't on a brand new PC
Gonna switch my i7-8700k to Ryzen CPU soon, when I do a full system upgrade. He's been through a lot i think he deserves the rest o7
this is literally only reason im still on a intel
I'm on an i7 6700 and the cpu is starting to go below the minimum requirements on steam, so I'm considering an upgrade to everything except GPU
I just swapped my 8700k for a 5700x3d and I've gained over a 50% increase in 1440p. 3060ti
I recently upgraded my I7 8700 to the 9800X3D.
Night and day difference
@@calebpipet That's similar to where I came from. 8600K to 5800X3D
i5-12400f ($120) and i3-12100f($80) is still the GOAT in Indian market for budget builds.
I have 12400f and i really have no need to change cpu. I will probably change my gpu from rtx 3070 to rtx 4070 super in near future. Sometame in future i will go to Amd cpu, but not for now.
If you are going to upgrade your GPU wait a month or so for rtx 50 series hype to start
I think the point is missed, not only do amazon CPU buyers change more frequently (keeping up with last couple years of trend) but I'd imagine most Intel's showing up in steam survey is coming from more prebuilt or custom built PCs from the gaming space. Maybe reach out to some of the prebuilt and custom build sellers you know and ask what they sell the most of.
Back during Prime Day 2, the 5700X3D was on sale for $180-$190. At that price range, LGA 1700’s price advantage (w/ a DDR4 board) erodes somewhat especially now that both sockets are “dead platforms”, and that only applies to 12th gen since everyone’s afraid to buy a 13th/“14th gen” intel because of CPU-dying-issues
7800X3D I remember at 1 point as low as $350 several months ago, but I think AMD pulled a RTX4090 hence the high price now for the 7800X3D
Am4 is not dead yet, AMD just launched 2 more CPUs for Am4 on October, that was a month ago.
7800x3d here with 32GB DDR5 RAM and 4070ti Super, im running any game @ 1440p at high/ultra settings at 150+fps, the 7800x3d is very much worth the money
i Have a 7950 x3d with my build we nearly the exact same build
Have the exact same build. Couldn't be happier with the thing.
nobody cares really
I have a 5700X and a 4080 because I didn't waste money on a 7800X3D, so I'm running any game except Cyberpunk, and Wukong (I haven't played Alan Wake but I'm sure it'll be the third one) @4K at max settings at 100+ FPS *shrug*
I'm glad I saw your reply on this. Was going back and forth between am4 or upgrading to am5. Sounding like 5700x3d and spend the savings on 4080
1:14 your sponsor for a video about intel losing market share, is a pc equipped with an intel cpu
@@avtips4779 its almost like thats what marketing is made for
I thought the same, MSI prob getting a refund or a free future sponsorship asap
was trying to see if anyone else noticed lol
This guy will probably give tech tips until he inevitably merges with the tech he is so familiar with.
4:12 All I'm going to say is that around November, the 7800x3d shot up in price significantly, likely to boost profits around the holidays
2:02 nice one Linus
0:34 You're telling me the CPU with the most sales is the one with 13 reviews? vs #2 with 3887 reviews?
Maybe he refer to current sales number
Its probably this month and since the 9800X3D only got released last month there arent many reviews yet
Most the sales were probably vots trying to scalp the cpu
@IbaiLlanos hereeeee?! 0:14
Nunca pensé encontrarme al gigante noble en un video de Linus 🤣
@@MaarioDN jajajajajaja que loco
Que pro…
Just grabbed a 5700x3D to go with a new 7800XT. Love that I can extend my AM4 a few more years. AMD is changing the game!
just upgraded from a 3700x to a 5700x3d, and am so fkin happy I did. Glad my AM4 board is still kicking ass
I’m just excited to see the 7600X3D introduced to the broader market outside of Micro Center.
I've not watched the video yet, where did you learn this? I'd probably buy one to upgrade from 11th Gen intel
5:24 $121 for shipping on those ram sticks is crazy!
1:31 ok, who's watching Pokemon.....
I've never watched it, should I?
I watched pokemon and played pokemon games like a decade ago
@@thetwitchywarlock whoa!!!
@@KJSCalderon what
Not everyone is a LTT employee who gets a free $5000 upgrade every year or two. Most of us upgrade only 1-2 times a decade, and while theres no doubt who's on top atm, 5-10 years ago, it was a very different story.
I think 10 years is quite some time. Nonetheless, many people are still using 8th, 9th, and 10th Gen Intel processors. The 8th Gen is arguably in a grey area concerning performance-I don't think it's powerful enough anymore. A 9th Gen i7 or i9 would probably still perform well, and the 10th Gen remains a strong option. Plus, anything beyond the 10th Gen is worth considering, aside from the questionable 13th and 14th Gen CPUs. It's also worth noting that Intel was the standard for most pre-built systems - AMD Pre-built wasn't and maybe still isn't really a very common thing.
@@unstablenl13th-14th gen stability issues were solved. It's worth using them instead of 12th gen price to performance wise right now too.
I have a computer with a Ryzen 1800x and it still runs great and I’ve never had any problems. Overclocked since day 1!
Also worth noting that Steam Survey also involves laptops, where Intel is a lot more competitive. I know this channel generally ignores laptop hardware these days outside of Short Circuit unboxings, but yeah. Most people aren't really going out to buy new desktop hardware compared to laptop after all.
I just bought a Ryzen 7 5700x for 60% off to replace my Ryzen 5 3600
You completely forgot about the huge sale that the 7800x3d went on for. About 250 dollars for one of the best gaming cpus on the market. Im so lucky i boutht mine then
wait what
I don't think it ever went below $350? Did you typo?
@@Steamrickit did lil bro I bought mine too under 300€
Wow, missed the sale 😢
@@EvilTony2012 this was half a year ago
I personally only use my gaming machine for gaming, I think that intel i5 is a better experience than my ryzen. I only like intel i5s for price savings and single core performance. I think intel is also nice for older software and games that I play. I only spent $250 for my cpu and motherboard and spent $600 on my 4070 and felt that if I spent more money I’d get a 4070ti or 4080.
For me it was simple: I had a B550 motherboard, wanted to upgrade, and for under $200 I would have a faster computer. The difference between a 5700X3D and a 5800X3D in performance versus price sold me
i just swapped from ryzen 7 5700 to intel i7 14700k. needed thunderbolt for my apollo twin x, and amd doesn’t have as much support, when intel does for thunderbolt. loving this cpu so far
I live in greece but i think the same things apply in Europe over all. During late 2021 and early 2023 it was impossible to buy a B550 or a A520 motherboard for normal price dont know exactly why so a lot of people just choose Intel because they could accually get good motherboard for a fair price. I myself have build 3 Intel builds with the i3-10105f and 1 with the i5-10400f the difference for an amd equivalent with the motherboard included was +100€ or more (plus in amd you should go for good 3200Mhz ram that was 10-15€ more)
PS. The i3-10105f was 55 euros with the cooler and the i5-10400f was 90 euros with the cooler. So i think that was very good deals!
Just got the 7700x yesterday and upgraded from the 2700x. It’s insane the speeds that ddr5 and am5 CPU’s can reach, with each core sitting around 5.2ghz, and the ram at 4800mhz (previously 2800mhz) makes for a seamless experience in gaming and general use. I would definitely recommend if anyone’s trying to upgrade from am4 to am5 for a solid price, especially with the holiday sales around us!
4800MHz is pretty slow for AMD CPUs using DDR5, make sure you turn on EXPO or XMP in your BIOS to get the full 6000MHz.
@ yeah I hadn’t boosted it yet, it’s rated for 7200mhz. For my purposes though just its base clock speed is significantly better than my old ddr4 so I don’t mind
Can't wait for the i8 15450ke 🔥🗣️
I do not know if its a problem in Canada, but here in the states, Amazon has a massive, and I mean MASSIVE issue with 3rd party sellers. See, by default amazon shows you the lowest prices for a listing, because normally that's what people want. However, they make it difficult to see the seller with just tiny print off to the side, and what some people have been doing is "selling" these processors that never show up or only have a box. Its a big issue, happened to me and my dad twice before we starting being super aware of it. Fortunately, amazon is pretty decent about returns and refunds
I own a 1600AF, 3700X, 5800X and a 7700X. AMD has my soul.
still rocking my 8700k with 3090, high/ultra all games 180+fps
good for you, now try to run rust with 400+ pop server, Lets see how many fps will the 8th can make :)
great combo. still have an 8700-2080 kicking around myself. If not for finding some killer deals, it'd still be my main. still runs everything at 2k med/high just fine.
You are getting heavily bottlenecked you can most likely go down to 3070 and get similar fps.
Same, but I just bought a 9800x3d to finally replace my old 8700k! She's served me very well over the years.
1440p
The reason the steam hardware survey is right because most gaming laptop or most laptops in general use Intel desktop is hosting amd
I misspelled mostly for some reason my autocorrect change it to hosting
@@jhuh7770 steam hardware survey keeps getting sampling Asian Internet cafe machines and those usually come with Intel/nvidia. It is largely misleading, that’s why you often see discontinued versions of windows getting market share here and there.
I did a gaming upgrade to a 5700X3D from a 5900X. It’s been a nice improvement!
From a ryzen 9 5900x to a 5700x3d was an improvement how and where?
Both CPUs are amazing i don't think it was a necessary upgrade lol, but I'm glad you are enjoying that CPU, I ordered mine and it'll arrive on the 20th Dec (r7 5700x3d)
@@shadowman2469 x3d cache power
5700X3D gets a gaming improvement of up to 30 percent compared to a 5900X. The 3D V cache is a game changer. Mainly noticeable is the better 1 percent lows which smooths out the frame rates considerably.
@@Bottlecapy yeah the key point is up to 30 % didnt see that many games going up that high mostly about 5-7 FPS on a big number of games. But as someone mentioned wasnt necessary in my opinion, but what ever you like you can if you have the money to spend its your choice at the end. If your system is well opiutimized with ram and everything else 1% low isnt an issue, at least not for me because dont have a bad experience with that. Cheers!
As an 5600X user, the fact I can drop in a 5700X3D and give my existing AM4 platform and breathe a bit more life into it without replacing my entire MOBO is highly appealing. Why do a platform upgrade when I can pay $200 for a drop-in replacement?
I watched about five seconds and immediately knew why Intel dominates Steam survey data. Not many people, even gamers, build their own PCs. Almost everyone has a prebuilt... and prebuilts are almost exclusively intel. Most offerings from Dell, HP, etc. have Intel as the main or only option available.
The steam hardware survey is based on people using steam. The sales of CPUs on amazon reflects mostly people building custom pcs. I don't know what percentage that is of people on steam but my guess is it would not be that high a percentage. At least in the past prebuilt systems were more common than custom ones. I myself custom choose my parts but get someone else to build it so I don't buy my parts off amazon but rather off the builder.
Case hardened laptop? 0:49
It's a skin.
Why would you be a fanboy of a chip company?
When the chips are in your favor…
@@opticalsalt2306 or flavor.... Doritos all day!
Intel were basstids for many years... I think its more anti-Intel than AMD fanboi
Amd is legit better in every way right now, with how dogshit the last 2 Intel gens are, especially since everyone who doesn't keep up with the latest Intel blog posts is going to have a dead 13/14th gen in a year or 2 because of the vmin shift bug and with how badly arrow lake is bombing, as someone whose owned oy Intel chips willingly since the 2400k and used Intel core and core duos while growing up Intel is kind of a dogshit company in terms of it's newest products
He never been a fanboy, he give a very positive review on new Intel Arc B580
It's probably been said a million times already, but the reason Intel has such a market lead is because so many of these are old systems that haven't been upgraded yet. Most people don't upgrade very often.
I work in a Best Buy and the vast majority of computers here have Intel chips. People who don't really know much and just walk in and buy a gaming system will more than likely end up with Intel. Obviously the enthusiast market is a whole different story.
AMD gaming scene = "enthuziasts" :))
I know a lot of builders who still use Intel just because they are better in multitasking/3D rendering.
@Ryzen9800-c2y Yeah I wasn't saying that all enthusiasts use AMD, just that a lot more do than people who buy a random computer.
I actually prefer Intel because of the better memory controllers but they pissed me off big time with 13th and 14th gen stuff
@@LunarList is the issue fixed now with bios update and stuff?
@Hamentsios10 it is but the platform is dead and is a cooling nightmare so why bother
@@LunarList I get it.
1st
congrats on first
5700x3d+3090 both water-cooled by 2 480 and 1 360 rad. no complaints here.
went from 5600 to 5700X3D and its a noticeable upgrade for sure, not gonna upgrade till AM6
Just upgraded from a 3600 to a 5700x3d, and 1660 to a 4060. Im shocked by the performance difference, glad AM4 still has some support
I just switched from a 1600af to 5700x3d but still rocking my 1660s for now and even keeping my 1660s I got incredible gains
I used to get steam hardware surveys every 3-4 months on my intel laptop. Didnt get once on my AMD pc. So its misleading survey. It doesn't delete the data of old system if the user switches builds.
The difference in the steam numbers is because a majority of people buy pre-builds and pre-builds from the big OEM's tend to use Intel.
paid $180 for a 5700x3d and got 16gb more ram just for future proofing, got a 3060ti very excited for 5070 launch so i can have 5700x3d and 5070 and that is gonna be future proofed for quite a while.
Steam hardware survey really needs to break down into more detail about what gets added yearly and what goes away as well as let you filter by how many hours a pc actually ran something from steam
7700x is $199 now. Absolute steal.
I think you're forgetting how much older systems with a 3600 or 2700X upgrading to 5700X3D are likely contributing to sales of that CPU. It's pretty much the one and only obvious option to go to when you want to give your AM4 system a bit more lifespan.
This video came out 15 mins after I installed my 5700x3d, great timing
Bought 1400 R5 as my starter PC Build in 2017, with the same motherboard I upgraded to 5700x3D R7 in 2022, AMD has always been flexible with upgradeability, but in 5 years I'll have to upgrade to AM5.
It's still mind-blowingly dense and self sabotaging how intel claims they don't need to make 3D V-Cache consumer CPUs, because "intel doesn't get used for gaming". Meanwhile the majority of CPUs on Steam are intel and the status is being effected because of their refusal to be competitive. And they have the audacity to sponsor intel notebooks as "gaming" computers at the same time.
A lot of people bought new desktops and laptops during 2020-2021. Those systems typically won't need any kind of parts replacement until maybe this year or next. However, if their environment is cool and they don't have excessive dust then they wouldn't even need to replace case fans for even longer than that. That means if they're rocking Intel then that won't change for awhile longer.
Recently upgraded from a 2700x to a 5800x on sale, Absolutely love how much of a value the AM4 platform has been
Intel will keep coming on top for years because :
Intel dominates the international market.
Most of my friends never even heard of amd till I told them about it and some of them still get Intel.
I know it's hard to know situations outside your country but it's as simple as that really.
Put new parts in my fiancées PC earlier this year with a ryzen 7 1700x, some mobo I can't remember, cpu cooler, and ram. all for less than $300. All the stuff was purchased on ebay and had no issues at all. AM4 is cheap now and still mostly holds up to what is needed.
Shoutout shahrad, he always struck me as someone who looks so cool and fly, but some how manages to always be so chill.
Upgraded from a laptop to a 3960X, threw a crap ton of water cooling on it and never looked back.
Still a powerhouse to this day.
Last year I finally upgraded from my i7-4770K to a new PC with a Ryzen 7700.
Honestly it was all still super fine, the only thing I did that made my old CPU struggle hard was PS3 emulation.
All the other stuff in my system was in way more of a need of an upgrade compared to my CPU's performance. It's quite incredible honestly.
the 5700X3D dropped to $180 at Microcenter about a week before Thanksgiving, and hasn't risen in price since. Upgrading to it from an R5 3600 was a no-brainer.
i recently purchased a full system upgrade. i decided it was time to make the shift from Intel to Ryzen. got myself a 9800x3d. took over 2 weeks to be delivered, due to stock issues. but its here, and i couldn't be happier
as someone mentioned, this doesn't include companies who usually just make a deal with sales, and e.g. in my company they made a deal ~a year ago and ordererd ~10k of laptops with intel gpus and cpus. imagine how much influence they have.
Appeared to be a massive restock of 9800x3d at microcenter over the weekend. 25+ across the country. Picked one up myself
I was about to comment the same, I was at mine a few hours ago, and they had a bunch.