I'd probably go for the NCR I'm not big on military run governments but in that world I'd happily live under their banner if it meant survival plus their group is steeped in a history of wishing to help restore a sense of peace to the populace and helping those in need
Characteristics of a great game: People still are discussing and debating about its content even after more than a decade of its release. So glad there's a substantial community still talking about FNV.
It is because it is a handcrafted masterpiece that shows us how basic human ideologys interact with eachother. Democracy vs Fascism vs Capitalism vs The Last Man.
Still a decade old and people are talking about it and I still love it. I like Fallout 4 too but I like it purely for the exploration, nothing RPG wise. The Institute being the big bad just pale in comparison to anything New Vegas. Imagine being the smartest and most resourceful faction in the entire series but they just decide "yea let's kidnap people and replace them".
I personally prefer House. Sure, he's an autocrat, but there's room to maneuver. He gives you every luxury he has and, if you have good Karma, the player is told that the courier ensured that House was fair to people. In terms of values i align with the NCR, but House it the most competent person to rebuild the wasteland. Create the conditions for a better life faster than any other faction. Besides, there's no real descrimination. As long as you're a potential customer, he couldn't care less what you are.
House is actually different from other autocrats in that he doesn’t dictate what people do so you could argue that people have more freedom with house EDIT: I say plants rather than facilities later in this comment thread that’s because something or someone is fucking with my auto correct EDIT again: house might actually be the best ending for the ncr since kimball and Oliver no longer have their jobs so it leaves a space for someone more competent them
Your right that House does give other people freedom, what do you think he would do when he has built up the high tech sector and no longer needs casino's to ensure an income, but can sell new & old tech to the wasteland, in terms of his interactions with other factions?
@@analt2379 I was taking to him, but in your view you said House does not dictate other people what would House do if he did claim other plants, how would he govern over them?
@@JRYYD he would probably start dictating what people do by that point but I think there would still be a lot of freedom actually I think working at the plants would be an occupation and all the people in the Mojave would be given a job
The sad thing about New Vegas is that the game was far from finished. The game is huge and they made it this way because they had huge ambition. They wanted the game to feel massive and they meant it. However due to time constraint they had to release it much earlier than they wanted. And thus many factions and parts of the game were left rushed or neglected. If New Vegas got the time it needed to be complete it might have been the best game of all time. The Story was there, the gameplay was there. But it wasn't complete
Even though its incomplete, its still a masterpiece and way up there for best games of all time. Just goes to show the lack of effort and quality in todays games.
And? Who cares. Product is what it is. Stop living life as what if and go get it. Only thing worse than failure is never trying and this comment sounds like a regret attitude. Learn from other failures and take it.
Cazadors are the strongest faction easily but it is hard to pin exactly what they're goals and ideals are so it's still up for debate whether they're the best or not.🤔🐝🐝🐝
Considering the Institute exists, it would be safe to say that House would eventually encounter them. Chances are if he as able to negotiat with them, he would likely want to use thier synth technology. I wouldn't put it past him to have them build a synth made in his image, to put his mind into. This way he could experiance the world again and be able to interact with the population if he ever wished it.
@@noobgun12 the institute have the same goals as house technological progress at all costs. He doesn't trust the brotherhood because they're violent to people with old war tech which is Mr House's whole deal. The institute wants to make the Commonwealth better but they're ruthless and mysterious just like house.
@@lowlsqwid Isn't House also an Alumni of CIT? I'd say he probably would quickly jump on board with working with them, maybe not trusting them initially but probably getting them to side with him.
The fact that there is no easily acceptable right answer and that every faction has their benefits and their obvious drawbacks is what made the choices in Fallout New Vegas so compelling and I just wish the series will learn from it in the future
Well I typically side with NCR, House is probably the best since House neither suffers from being a democratic capitalist Republic and neither suffers as an authoritarian fascist Empire, he's corporatocracy city state whose power and wealth relies on the success and flourishing of his people and being that he's immortal, his ruling of New Vegas would be long lasting and fruitful whilst all the over options are destined to failure, the funny thing about city states is that they never collapsed, but simply evolved beyond their borders which lead to countries like the Legion and NCR so unless House becomes an expansionist, his rule over New Vegas is the best option
The scariest part about the Enclave is the fact we only know of a couple bases. And in every installment no matter how badly defeated there's always another base telling them to relocate.
The idea of the main base of the enclave being at the moon is possible and some larger bases at different countries that america has defeated/influenced is also possible.I can't think of many countries that America greatly defeated, influenced and allied dating back the american civil war. My country, Philippines. May even have an Enclave base as we were defeated by America during the Phil-Am war. Maybe Japan and South Korea.
@@enclaveboogalo3775 “likely Enclave bases in Japan and Korea” I’d love to see Fallout take to the Chinese sea, so we can see some of these places. Someone put the modders on it please 😁 this was likely a pivotal location in the conflict leading up to the Apocalypse and compared to anywhere else we’ve seen could be totally alien… and having a language barrier could be a cool feature, reminiscent of Mothership Zeta.
Yeah, they're equal in the same way Uighurs in China are. Written into law as such, with politicians openly not caring whether people follow those laws and less openly breaking them themselves
Weren't the mercenaries simply hired by one senator of the NCR? This does show that there is discrimination against st there, but it doesn't prove that is a systemic issue on a greater scale than in most other big factions.
You mean the people that chop up randos and made cazadors? Idk dude house is pragmatic but the Mt scientists are crackpots not even able to keep on top of their own studies.
Except the dr who intentionally fucked their memories up even says that if you let them out of big MT they will just use the mojave for more experiments
Mobius is the only decent brain jar, the rest are psychotic and almost in a child like state due to going mad, even then mobius has no reason or urge to do anything other than taking chems. Best to kill them and let house utilise some technology there to potentially reach his goals faster.
"The brotherhoods stance on mutated individuals is too harsh." In new vegas the bos had a sort of non aggression pact with the mutants on black mountain until Marcus left and tabitha took over, so I doubt it was too harsh.
@@sextuspompeius1266 The final quest with mcnmara. When he tasks you to go to black mountain to bug the radio he says something along the lines of "Relations with the mutants were good until recently. Seeing as they've proven themselves hostile, I dont care if you kill a few of them just go bug their radio."
@@mappingshaman5280 The bos don't fight them simply because they can't . They don't have the numbers or the firepower anymore. But I bet you if they have the power they will act like their old self.
One thing I find common in the major factions is that they often try to re-create the old world, the same old world that imploded on itself creating the wasteland that we know today.
was looking for someone to say this. felt the same way in my playthrough and made me hate the NCR. house is the only one who comes close to doing something new. an AI based govt governed by impartial computation with no bias. never been done before
@@microwavedave2351 you mean a genocidal facist, House is nothing new he done the same thing as Cesar did to Vegas tribes, but in a bit less brutal way. Also House might have a great plans and live over 200 years but is still a human, he is extremist who want to rule over everyone to rebuilt civilization in his own way(and they fly to the Moon or somewhere else) Giving a power to one person is still an old world way, it doesn't matter he is more machine than man, he still have his personality and own goals. And even if he was AI do you think a machine with unlimited power is such a great idea?
@@kacperaskawski3461 Mr. House said it himself. He doesn’t want to legislate anybody. He also said “…Whatever people do on their own time doesn’t concern me…” that doesn’t seem like he wants to rule over anyone. Mr. House also said “…I don’t want to be treated like a mechanical god…” so this would also tell you he wouldn’t throw himself out there and tell everyone to love him. All he cares about is progressing humanity.
"The men of the old age realize the time that they had was never theirs The nuclear age, but a flash in the pan - to kings and lords The House, Always Wins"
When I choose the independent ending I imagine a Mojave Federation. All the settlements would be semi-autonomous with New Vegas at the center. The Courier with the help of Yes Man would act as an executive & be mostly hands off outside of Vegas. Trade between settlements would provide all needed essentials. The Courier could be a 3rd party arbitrator in any disputes. Conflicts or threats would be handled by the securitron army. A good relationship with the NCR would be necessary but they’d have no military installments beyond the Mojave Outpost. All in all I don’t think the Courier & Yes Man would have to act as the sole rulers of the entire wasteland. Most settlements would thrive on their own and provide The Strip with plenty of customers along with the NCR citizens from the West.
Agree. That’s my view too. My only concern is the same as what’s said in the video, the Courier and Yes Man lack the experience to do this. You can gain this experience by helping House and taking over from him eventually. For that reason I prefer choosing House.
Nope, it leads straight to chaos, even without cut content showing that it does that’s what it would obviously lead to considering if we’re playing fallout new Vegas we most definitely don’t know how to run a civilization lol, so if you don’t want to harm the wasteland don’t follow in Benny’s steps.
@@Burning_Alive Disagree. Tandi didn't knew how to run the country, yet she was successful. Edward Sallow didn't as well, yet he created Legion. So why does everyone assume, that courier will be too inexperienced? If you do all DLC's, courier is pretty much a demi-god level cyborg with intellect rivaling that of House, having securitron army AND think-tank at his/hers disposal. Both Tandi and Swallow started from scratch ;) so i don't see any reason to assume why neutral or good karma courier wouldn't be crazy successful.
@@echoes222 because cut content literally shows it but you can believe whatever you want my guy, it’s your game and the endings aren’t concrete it can go anyway you want it but if you don’t have a god complex and you can’t tell me how to run a nation(I mean literally you) then it’s a spiral into chaos, a step further from civilization returning and Vegas as we know it in game ceases to be, the cut content I’m referring to is a slide that shows the chaos and yes man saying he is going to go offline for a bit to become more assertive which I mean if you have a brain it’s pretty obvious your about to get overthrown by a robot
House didn't seek out Hoover Dam as he lacked a functioning society to draw in to the Strip. Before the NCR arrived New Vegas consisted of backwards tribals, cannibals, and raiders, none of which would have a desire for casino gambling or drunken escapades. Immediately upon seeing the NCR he sprung into action, convincing them to both activate the Dam, and give him 5% of the power, he also whipped three tribes into civilized employees, which I think is rather impressive. With this in action he now had an economy (had he used the tribes he'd just be using essentially his own money to gamble in his own casinos) to siphon resources off of and could now put his plans in motion. Furthermore, I believe the NCR is very much susceptible to the flaws you fear House succumbing to, House himself is an example. House might be in the way? Kill him, no negotiation, no trades. Remove him. Just like House and the Brotherhood. While House MAY become corrupt, the NCR IS corrupt. And just like House's penchant for gambling, the NCR gambles every election cycle on whether they get a capable leader.
NCR become Corrupt cause is some politicians you know, sometime can competent at same time can destroy themselves especially, while NCR have bad manage through regulation like small example, NCR collect taxes but can't make road save, while Legion have slavery don't have taxes but keep road save, while mr house just small faction compared power of this two faction. Main problem Mr house is maintain a balance while small faction always cause internal problem like some quest have showing Mr house Omerta assist Caesar and want assault 38 casino Without courier or blind follower Mr house reign will ended
@@ridwan3533 House knowed about the Omertad trachery, he just use the corrier to deal with them because at this point in game you are his "personal mercenary", but if the corrier didn't exist, he would probably just hire another person to do the job.
I agree for alot of stuff you said except the corruption The NCR isn't corrupt it's members are and these members can be removed Muckrakers exist to root out this corruption, (the non violent ending to Cass's quest is an example) there's corruption but the difference is if house gets corrupted he's untouchable
"a lot of BoS people want to help the wastelanders" yknow the washingtond DC brotherhood were considered traitors and after a while they became xenophobic imperialists, and the west coast brotherhood didnt really wanna help people to be honest either, they sent mfs who wanted to join them on suicide missions, veronica is like the exception to the rule
Finding Veronica and bringing her back to the bunker is literally the only way in F:NV to NOT get a bomb collar put on your neck when dealing with the Brotherhood. Anyone else gets surrounded, stripped, rigged, and sent off on a one-way mission for the BoS. No matter what the Bethesda Fallout games say, the Brotherhood are an EXTREMELY SOLITARY group.
@@saggyshaggy3272 House NCR is one. There's also one in the Main Story Alterations mod. You'll also find the Legion Brotherhood one in there as well. I'd recommend the No Ultimatums one.
Man, this comment section is about to be popping! Lol New Vegas's awesome philosophical depth makes it one of my favorite games of all time. There truly is nothing else like it, unless Obsidian makes another Fallout. Fingers crossed! 😎
@@jonalbertlafuente9805 Absolutely agree, it's one of those games that impacted my life and made me ponder my own personal beliefs more than any other game except for maybe KoTOR II (another Obsidian gem)
A few counter points against your stance on House: 1) He didn't gamble on 1 courier. He had multiple couriers carrying duds and decoys. The entire ferrying of the platinum chip was made as safe as he had the power to do so. He gambled later on, sure, with the decision of the player, but it was less of a gamble and more of a "Here are all the reasons why you SHOULD side with me. Here's my argument. I trust you make the right decision." It's not that it was a gamble, it's that House couldn't conceive of his own failure. In some ways that's better, and in some ways that's worse. 2) With mankind's culture and society basically having the "reset" button pressed by the Great War, they are culturally going through the entire course of human history again. That's why New Vegas is so "unique" for all the Fallouts. It throws almost every type of conceivable, justifiable form of government at the player and let's us choose what we feel is the best course for the Mojave. Each form has a pro and con, like you stated. However, House raises a valid point on his comment of Democracy. In the Fallout Universe, democracy led to humanity's near extinction, because corruption rotted democracy. House's entire point is the argument that putting power in the hands of many at the same time, leads to more rampant corruption and infighting. Yes, a singular person also can be subject to this, as absolute power corrupts absolutely, but in House's case, he's unable to benefit from any of that so called corruption. What more does he honestly require? He can live forever already if we don't disturb his pod, and with not being able to leave the pod, corruptions of the flesh are meaningless to him. He's entirely fueled to the resurrection of mankind as a whole, and escaping the irradiated dirtball of man's folly. He's taking a viewpoint, much like Spock does in Star Trek. The needs of the many outweight the needs of the few. He's looking at the long term goal of getting humanity back on track and free of its past mistakes. Yes, that may mean sacrifices to those that oppose House, however it is not like any of the other factions are opposed to eliminating those of different ideals either, and this is the point I think many miss. The NCR will fight others just as much as House does. Same as the Legion. In this one, unique set of circumstances, I'd pick House over any of the others because with House, there's a clear end game in mind. Industry, society, space exploration.
House could've saved any city in the US: Pittsburg, Detroit, Boston or Chicago with their flourishing industry, the highly technologically advanced New York, the populated Los Angeles, the strategically positioned Washington DC. All of them would've made for a really fast technological revolution, given how they could've produced all the resources they needed on their own, but no, he chose the only city surrounded by desert, that needs to import everything he chose Vegas, because gambling would give him way more money, also, have you payed attention to the fact that every faction that's against the NCR accuses them of corruption except for Mr House? And how could he, he's not immune to corruption, he IS corruption. He's not a hero, nor does he want the best for humanity, he clearly states that his genious master plan had only a 1% chance of success. All of this without saying he's the literal definition of a fascist.
@@radogen7845 Robert House is given few to no fascistic traits, he doesn't reject diversity, minorities, he does not obsess with nationalism and unity, instead he is an autocrat, authority and governance wrapped nicely around him. An Autocrat does not a Fascist make. Mr House chose to protect Vegas because he was a local and had always admired it, as he himself says "It was a place of splendor. As magnificent as today's Strip may seem, it's but a shadow of the neon paradise that was Las Vegas. I grew up not far from here, and though I traveled the old world extensively, I never found another place like it." Furthermore, in Fallout, Vegas was home to many a great people and high-tech project, REPCONN, Helios One, or even his own Robco, and "surrounded by desert" was not accidental either, as it made it far more feasible to protect, being away from large(r) and/or military targets, still Vegas and its surroundings were targeted by 77 nukes with Mr Houses defenses deflecting 70 of those. Robert House also "did not bet all on one courier" as this video claims, hes far more intelligent and effectively the best choice for the Mojave far as im concerned (made potentially better depending on couriers karma), even if i don't agree with everything out of him.
@@SoftExo That does not change the fact that he outright admitted that the probabilty that the standard of living would go back to pre-war standards is of 1%! And still he talks about going on the moon. Also, how do we know that he will really do what he told us he will, how do we know he really will help humanity recover? He could be wrong, he could fail, he could be lying. And when we will know, it will be too late, he will already have all the power in new vegas. He's not a fascist? What is the definition of fascism: one person with all powers who controls every aspect of the public and private lives of their citizens and whose ideas are the only ones accepted. Mr House lets only his ideas exist, look what he does to the Brotherhood of Steel, despite them having never threatened or even talked about an independent New Vegas, yet he killed them just because he didn't want anyone else with different ideas from him, and with the Securitrons he will be able to spy on New Vegas 24/7, he will be able to put any price he wants on anything, he could make terrible laws and nobody could stop him, he could feed lies to his citizens, he could decide to kill everyone in New Vegas and there would be nobody to stop him, not a constitution, not an opposing party, nothing. Literally 1984.
Couldn't have said it better myself! Especially the part about House having nothing to gain, in flesh, or materialistically, that could corrupt his vision. I think that uniqueness alone puts him above the Legion/NCR because they both would be inevitably corrupted not to mention stagnated with the amount of power end game House has. Some may argue "independent/ Yes Man/ Courier" ending, but the truth is aside from the fact the Courier has little to no real diplomatic experience it could also be said the fact the Courier is Mortal and wont outlive House to be able to see society rebuilt so therefore can't mediate everything during the Mojaves reconstruction. Not to mention The Courier/ Yes Man have no finite plans to advance society like tech, infrastructure, space exploration like House does.
I tried all the endings, and found House to be the least abrasive. The Lesser of evils is still evil, I get that, but since there was no way to spare the Mutants from being destroyed by Vault City in FO2, I haven't found any Fallout Endings that make me happy, just less happy than the other options presented to me.
Personally I think I'd take the protectrons for myself and use them to elevate the Followers of The Apocalypse to power. They just seemed like the most reasonable to me.
And House does that… the Followers become the 2nd most powerful faction in a HOUSE led Vegas! Basically becoming the Personnel department in The corporation of Vegas!
Yes but the followers don’t have any sort of government structure they’re primarily a relief and volunteer force. Think Red Cross or Doctors Without Borders. They do good work but they’re not a functioning government of any sort
There's not a wrong way to say "Caesar", that's a good thing. You pronounce it depending on your allegiances, how you learned to say it, which depends on your culture
I personally feel like House is the best choice, especially since the Courier effectively becomes his second in command. Even if House were to go power mad in the future, the courier can always at any time remove him. This is pure speculation of course, but I think that with House taking the Courier under his wing, the Courier could really learn more about leadership and grow to become a true leader. Unlike the Wild Card option, the Courier could actually grow into the role and be there to fill the void should they ever need to remove House. We already know that Yes Man is effectively an eternal being, so he would always be around as a back up plan even after the game's ending.
Sounds interesting, in what way do you think House could remain in power while still having a strong grip on power and not go mad with that power and fulfil his goals?
@Tango Crunch democracy doesn’t work In apocalypse. Ncr is corrupted already and needs war to fuel it economy. Legion is the legion. Independent Vegas is just wasteland left to its own wonders. House has a plan at least for humanity.
@Tango Crunch Well that's the thing. Unlike House, the Courier works with others. Under ideal circumstances the Courier befriended factions like the Followers of the Apocalypse or even joined them, and also fostered positive relationships with Freeside and other communities outside of Vegas. In this case the Courier would likely ask for help running things, since they don't have the grip on things House does (Being directly linked into the systems). I do not believe the Courier can handle running things with only Yes Man at their side. For any of this to work, the Courier would need to have the very best possible outcome for the House ending with as much positive reputation with the NCR and non main factions as possible. Even then I'd expect the NCR would turn on the Courier as soon as House was out of the picture.
@@JRYYD Well like I said, the Courier can always access the chamber House's body is in at any point during the game, and one can assume that would continue after the story ends. Hell, even if you blow up House's robot army and make him hostile, the Courier STILL has access to the Lucky 38 and can go in and kill House. So if House went mad with power, the Courier still has the ability to take him out.
@@awkwardGardener House said he would be dead within a year of leaving his chamber do you think he would be able to save himself if he was able to obtain FoA implants or that he might have a mobile suit of his life support or do you think he would make a backup chamber somewhere else?
"Mr House looked down on the courier" Mr House: We don't have to dream we are important. We are. The only reason why he go burst is because the courier is holding something incredibly important to him, new vegas and possibly the future of the Mojave, because they want more money... Imagine a guy take away your house key, inside of your house, demand money or he will lock you inside of your own house. And also you spent lots and lots of money and time to search for that key too
I do have to give credit, that Edward training up a tribe of people into a massive legion is a damn cool origin story. Best faction backstory, but most grim outcome XD.
i ultimately choose the NCR since thats the option that allows you to get the best endings for the most number of followers and (relatively) good factions (Boone rejoins the NCR army and hunts slave traders, Arcade moves back to the NCR and becomes a teacher, the Boomers start to gradually open up to the outside world through trade, brotherhood signs a peace treaty, etc)
And their the only faction that in which if one person dies it doesn’t just decimate every thing independent it’s the courier house it’s well house legion is Caesar however with ncr there isn’t a oh the president died guess we’re having a civil war no there’s plans for situations like that
@Hellafast2uDude I disagree NCR rule can go that way or it can go the way of our current world. One this is for sure that they will never be big enough to control all of the U.S.
@@Hellafast2uDudeWas about to comment this- the NCR is basically just regular America all over again, which would inevitably lead to a second nuclear war. The world doesn't just need a fresh start: it needs a different one.
"Yes Man, I need you to deploy the nukes at The Divide and target them at Big MT. Then I need you to calculate Pi indefinitely. You can let Father Elijah out of his cell when you're done calculating."
@@MK_ULTRA420 "And so the courier who had cheated death in the cemetery outside Goodsprings cheated death once again... to grant it en masse" SOMEWHERE IN NEVADA
I personally usually go with Yes Man, as some have stated the Fallout Universe is essentially pressing a reset button on human history. Going through everything all over again, just with some people having experience in some things already. So you have to think, back then no one had experience, and yes I know, your character could eventually fall for human desires, and also die, unlike House so long as he's left alone in his pod. But sometimes the best is also the worst possible outcome, you never know what someone is truly thinking, they can say whatever they want, do whatever they want, but once they get what they want everything changes. I don't like the whole Slavery or sexism of the Legion, nor do I like how the NCR's attitude is in some areas, and as for Mr. House, idk, but I personally don't like the idea of having an army of robots, not even with Yes Man. House has same very valid points, and some good ideas, but just cause he says that's what he wants, is it truly what he wants? Or is it just his cover to be the person in charge?
Followers of the Apocalypse. Ideologically bound, secular, knowledge seeking/re-inventing. A group who has survived since the bombs fell and have adapted with the new world, not clung to the wreckage of the old.
Personal Opinion, I think the Followers are just a extension of the NCR. They are noble people and would do wonder for the wasteland but they lack the capacity to defense themselves, It really the NCR that keeping them safe.
@@spookyengie735 They pre-date the NCR, and while they do make use of the advantages they bring, they're non-aligned. In Vegas they are on the side of the citizen, not the NCR. Combining their appearances in 1 and New Vegas, the followers to me appear as a nationless faction, dedicated to ending human suffering, regardless of if that human is now a ghoul, mutant or vault dweller. But they're not scared of getting their hands dirty and implement both the technology they've salvaged and replicated from the old world, alongside the techniques and knowledge that have come since.
They’re also anarchists who have no hierarchical structure that are already struggling to supply medical aid, and in the Independent ending they collapse under the strain helping those harmed by the Legion-NCR war.
@@Falloutlover1011 The group at the Mormon fort gets over burdened, but doesn't collapse (just checked the slides to remind myself). Which is part of showing that the independence isn't actually a purely good one, mass casualties and a withdrawal of NCR aid. And yes, they do appear as anarchists, but they are clearly a successful faction, having lasted this long, maintained their identity and prospered despite the NCR. And don't confuse the group we see as the faction, they have a whole city out west which has the only university in the wasteland. They are, in short, a new type of civilization for the new world.
1. Mr.House/Big MT - House has ambitions to restart technological sectors and even wants to colonize other planets. 2. NCR/Big MT - While the NCR isn’t perfect by any means, the Courier can make quite a difference for its citizens. It’s better than being a slave full time or at the constant threat of thugs from complete independence. Mr.House and the NCR seem to at least value the choice of its citizens.
I think the NCR is the easier safer choice but I think House has a real plan to restore things using the NCR. He never intended to control the NCR or Legion territories.
If the NCR succeeds, you could get 500 more years of people scraping by in the radiated wasteland, If House succeeds he could restore the wasteland into an actual livable environment and provide humanity a platform to leave from the earth and find new worlds to inhabit
@@kanival42 you say that like the amount of people left isn’t small enough that you could cram them all in Vegas 100 times over once you do a little bit of economic restructuring
@@emeraldpichu1Overpopulation, rise of unemployment, rise of cost of living, depletion of food and water, inevitable conflicts as a result of different factions living in a compressed area. Do you think House would even be in favor of cramming everyone in the wasteland in New Vegas?
I saw a documentary that really made Caesar's comment on the tribes "playing at war" make a lot of sense. I believe it was New Guinea, but that's not really important. Two neighboring tribes had an unending blood fued where they'd sneak into each other's lands in search of someone to murder in retaliation for the other tribe doing the exact same thing before. After a body is found the two tribes would meet at a hill separating their land. There the two groups of warriors would gather into two opposing mobs. They'd run towards the other mob, chuck a spear, and run back to their mob. It was like a game of dodgeball but with hundreds of players and throwing spears. During the documentary there were no deaths and not very many injuries. Once the men got tired they'd go home, not to meet for battle again until inevitably a new murder was committed in retaliation for the last. This really put the quote into perspective. There were no tactics, no long term strategy. It was little more than a game where points are accumulated by killing someone. Not in large numbers, just a kill here and there.
I’m a bit late to the video, but I think y’all would love the fact that’s there’s a cut part of New Vegas where House “surrenders” to the NCR. He allows the Republic to annex Vegas as a new state with the agreement that he can’t be prosecuted for anything before the annexation and becomes sole property owner of the Lucky 38 (and maybe more of Vegas I don’t recall). The NCR takes over the Strip and his securatrons are confined to the Lucky 38. I think you had to blow up his army under The Fort for him to do so, and it was cut pretty early, but you can find restored stuff here on UA-cam
@@ravensflockmate Have you considered he is biding his time? I found a mod that restores it, and one of the lines he yells when you leave the 38 is that "Vegas will rise again!"
I'm starting the game for the first time. I haven't gotten into the factions yet. I do appreciate the breakdows on the structure of each faction. I'm probably going to pick the NCR myself when i get around to it. I'll probably start the game over a few times as i finish each faction like i did with Fallout 3.
It would go with Mr House as he was a plan for the future, the ability to defend the city of New Vegas, can create contracts with others not just destroy others without cause, does not let his feelings get in the way of his plans.
@@JRYYD ncr and house: like now, but vegas become semi-independence (House will let the ncr stay in the Mojave and New vegas because money) and more exchange, both technologically and economically (you can make this contract when you confront general Oliver)
Sad to say I knew the NCR was the only faction that could do the right things to protect the people of the Mojave but one thing really bugged me though: Why could and independent Vegas work considering some of the alliances you could make along the way? It just didn't make sense to me. Utilizing Yes Man you would have a solid internal security force that could easily become a military should the threat become dire. The Boomers had the potential to protect one area, the Great Khans another, and Jacobstown a third. You had 3 groups that could operate on their own but also contribute to the overall safety of the area. What really bothered me was the failure, at least in my eyes, of Mr. House. All he cared about was that damn chip when, for 200 years, he allowed the area surrounding the Strip to suffer. Freeside could have been a great place but he could care less and the only people to give a crap were the Followers. Two hundred years to try to clean up and rebuild but nope. I just want my super robots. Benny had a point. Then again, the game was rigged from the start.
Or maybe, when enough time has passed, and a solid base of trust is built, a Council-type thing could be put together! Two or three from The Boomers, Two or three from the Great Khans, and two or three from Jacobstown, they would have equal say, and could put forth their suggestions and ideas for the future! These could be interchanged, depending on player choice! Ran by a leader, who will try to be fair, BUT, also hopefully have the wisdom to make the hard decisions, then live what comes afterwards, which you have been doing this whole time anyway! Another possible example, bring in the Followers of the Apocalypse (their medical knowledge), the Brotherhood of Steel (military tech) (IF you can unite at least most of them) (and you make most of them quit being xenophobic a-holes), and Mr. House ( his knowledge, and his Securetrons would help). I don't know if this can work in-game, and I am a newcomer to the Fallout franchise, so my ideas may be a little screwy! This is just for fun!
The NCR may protect the Mojave and do the right thing (morally) but they are unstable, can't support their our forces. They almost go bankrupt because of the Mojave campaign, too thinly spread, even the important check point don't have what they need. Can they protect the Mojave? For now, yes. But for the long run, they will face too many problems and the loss outweigh the gain. NCR only the good guys, not a stable one
Why didn't House help freeside? He can't, that's why. The securitrons he has only enough to protect the strip. He can't rebuild from nothing. He can't establish order in freeside even if he wanted to. House has to struggle for 61 years just to make the lucky 38 and the securitrons function in lowest performance. He has to wait for many years later to find a functional society to build new vegas on. New vegas and House aren't politics, they are businessmen. They have to have the fund, the power to fuel their plans. While he said he rebuilt new vegas, he didn't mean from 200 years ago, but only less than 2 decades ago when the ncr came to the Mojave, when the families discover the strip, when he had his system good enough to be online. Even then, he still can't do much. The chip is the key he need. It wasn't for the robot army, the robot is only a fragment in his plan, it only the army of new vegas. The chip contains the Mk.II OS systems for his entire system, from the securitrons to the lucky 38, from the control of the substation to the hoover dam. With the strip, finally, vegas has its army, its power, its own seat on the power table of the Mojave. After the All or Nothing ending, House finally has the force to fully control and reform freeside, to start his plan. House doesn't want to recreate a government, he want to rebuild new vegas, to continue his process to sent mankind to space. To do so, he will sooner or later rebuild freeside, rebuild the industrial empire he once had. And other will also benefit from it. He maybe an autocrat, an almost heartless person, but he is the only one who want to move forward and rebuild, not just hold then wait-and-see like the ncr or go all the way back like the legion. Morally, I don't agree with him about some of his opinions, but logically, he is the only one who actually can do something for the Mojave, it's going to be a long run and maybe slow, but the results are promising
I remember watching a video about it and one point about yes man was well put. He is programmed to follow every order you do but at the end he decides to update himself without your order. I believe the wildcard ending has yes man still in an update. So if yes man never wakes back up I guess your head cannon for an independent new Vegas rules over. The second an independently updated yes man wakes up, all predetermined notions are out the window. Yes man makes it VERY clear if he disagrees with you even if he can't exactly fight against your orders or decisions so I doubt he will just roll over for you.
I usually go NCR and proud, however am not opposed to house... idk something about I feel he is very competent and actually has a chance to complete his goals. (Which are generally good for the race as a whole) ( *generally* )
With all the smaller factions idolizing you and following you, resources from Mojave area, big Mt and Sierra Madre the courier could build a strong healthy country
With the mercenaries being sent to Jacobstown by the NCR with full intentions of attacking if not for the Courier, I disagree the NCR is as open minded as claimed. For a freedom loving society they sure love to basically colonize even while they’re resources grow thin and the forcefully conscripted young pile up dead. When a war hero, Hanlon, becomes so disillusioned with the NCR and their handling of the war that he deliberately sabotaged the war efforts to attempt to convince the bureaucrats to put an end to things, that’s just sad. Funny enough that people say the NCR have the best intention for the Mojave when asking the actual native people of the Mojave, they do not agree with sentiments of resentment range wildly. NCR have even been allocating more water to their farms and bases while farmers and people that have lived there their whole lives are getting less water and have to relay on gang run water pumps or ‘stealing’ it from the NCR, that’s laughable stealing the only thieves in that situation is the NCR. Not to mention the amount of corruption that led to gods know how many dead NCR citizens, i.e. Van Graffs and Mclafferty(who else were involved in Crimson Caravan or elsewhere).
People need to realize the separation between the NCR and it's associates The mercs were sent by a governor who wishes to get rid of the mutants Just like how every state in the US has a governor with their own beliefs the people in said state have their own beliefs
One thing to consider is that the NCR and it's associated communities fought a couple wars against the super mutants. I wouldn't doubt there is still very raw Hatred & Fear that still persist to lead some of it's leaders to justify wiping out any significant gathering of super mutants.
With regards to the independent ending, I feel like there could be more to go into it, with the potential for it to be a coalition rule. However the end result would involve the small amount covered and what the shown ending would be. This would almost be a video in itself as this would require a breakdown of the even smaller factions of NV, namely the Vegas gangs, the Followers of the Apocalypse, the Khans. And at the same time, it would require still having the breakdown from the factions in this video as some of them (but not all of them) could theoretically be included (NCR and Legion being obviously mutually exclusive with each other, and House being mutually exclusive with the ending). It also would have to take into account the Courier themselves, and *this* is a whole mess because that involves a deep dive into what they were doing in the Divide, if they have any leadership skills, and honestly... what sort of courier the player even built (this would likely need to be an abstracted as "what if this high/low", as trying to do every build with stats/skills/perks/karma would be madness). In the end, this video would be pretty chaotic. Which is fitting, given that even if the courier could be successful, it wouldn't be without chaos, as it involves kicking over the status quo in a big way right when a war was brewing. So good option or bad option, there'd be chaos first regardless.
People really undervalue open trade, innovation, and security. In history, these are the things that made civilizations thrive, and they're all provided by Mr. House.
"The men of the old age realize the time that they had was never theirs The nuclear age, but a flash in the pan - to kings and lords The House, Always Wins"
The courier literally already built a community, The Divide. Idk why only House is able to bring open trade or innovation to the table. He literally says he'd be an autocrat. Idk how libertarians think he's cool
@@OhBlivEUn Killed by time and corruption, or simply other equally advanced civilizations. House is immune to such corruptions as he already has all he needs so he can't be bribed, not to mention being a shriveled near corpse in a tube.
For the most part this is a great video. The only reason I say "for the most part" is because you leave out the Courier and Yes Man. Personally, that's my go to. The NCR has proven untrustworthy, in part due to widespread corruption, and they're already spread too thin. The courier and Yes Man team on the other hand, has the ability to continue the use of their robot army, as well as recruit from the surrounding tribes. They also get the option to have a council leading the Mojave rather than just themselves or even just getting ideas and advice from the Followers. The NCR has too many problems to be considered a worthwhile solution to the Mojave's many problems, House can easily become a dictator, Caesar is already a dictator, Enclave is authoritarian (even if not a direct dictatorship), and the Brotherhood has been weakened too much in the region to be able to hold the Mojave. The only true solution to the many problems of the waste is to leave the courier in command.
The Courier and Yes Man are the only ones capable of reaching a peaceful solution with the Brotherhood. Since they’re pretty much doomed no matter what, this seems the best possible route for dealing with them in a stable long-term way. The weapons they have stockpiled are of little actual use to them since their numbers are so low, but they could still drastically alter power structures in the area if they ever got out of that bunker. Which is why their fate isn’t actually as inconsequential as you might think at first, I mean nothing ever is in New Vegas. More so than just deciding the immediate fate of New Vegas, you’re also deciding who will be in the best position to inherit this hoard of advanced technology and weapons. And if the courier is on especially good terms with the Brotherhood, over time this could be very advantageous to the region you govern as well… as Cap would quip, “the safest hands are our own” Anyone saying Yes Man is the “neutral” ending are only half right. Yes Man is completely neutral, no doubt about it. But by design, the player character is literally the only person in New Vegas who can actually change their morality. YOU decided the morality of the Yes Man ending, not Yes Man.
@@chazblank2717 but there is also a one thing, that chosing Yes Man is a bad option is that the entire state will turn into anarchic state with multiple raiders and high criminal ratings, I know that Courier can do anything, but lack of authority is going to doom the vegas after death of Courier from old age or something like that.
@@kacperaskawski3461 turn into an anarchic state with raiders… I’m sorry, so what’s gonna change exactly when the courier dies of old age? Yes Man is here to sell New Vegas to all buyers…
@@chazblank2717 lack of anyone to control it and who knows what Yes Man will do after death of Courier he is still a machine who is suposed to take orders not to rule on it's own. The anarchy would become even higher and the machine who doesn't know that there is something between good and bad choices won't stop it even with entire army of securitrons.
@@kacperaskawski3461 good thing all that life extension technology House was using is right there… I don’t know how you play Fallout, but I’m a living god by the end…
Yeah, I like the idea of the NCR running the Mojave, while House runs New Vegas Perhaps even while absorbing the Brotherhood of Steel like the rangers, into elite heavy troops
Why would the BoS betray their ideological purpose? NCR is going to continue developing and using tech. Peace treaty is different than actively helping them.
On my first play through, I had reservations about choosing the NCR, but I felt they were the best choice based on my interactions....so, yeah, I agree.
I reckon a combination between the NCR (society and general military) the Boomers (Air force) and the Brotherhood of Steel (for better equipment and improved military training) and it is possible via the NCR questline
That's my preferred ending as well. With the major forces of the mojave allying with the NCR, the courier can basically take a lesson learned from Ceasar; Making something new from the collective parts of the few. The NCR has good values mostly, but the corruption and lack of ressources are holding them back. Both of those problems are somewhat solved by allying them with everyone possible. Plus, having the McNamara Brotherhood with Veronica in their business will keep the NCR from fully consuming the Mojave parties. House is great, but House is too idealistic imo. He doesn't care a damn about the normal people trying to survive, he doesn't care that his three houses he allowed on the strip are basically the worst humanity can offer, he sees an endgoal and that's it. If 5 people and 200 bots make it to a rocket, he's good with that, rest be damned.
The Courier can't control the wasteland, yet in the game you singlehandedly tame the wasteland to your desires. You can fix every problem in the wasteland. The courier especially if you build them with high intelligence and max key skills like speech and science is absolutely the best choice for the wasteland. Coupled with Arcade Gannon and his enclave knowledge.
Thats just gameplay mate. The same courier can have the same ending with either 1 intelligence or 10 intelligence. These are just gameplay limitations and can't be quantified into actual lore.
Would you argue then that the Courier having high enough Repair to fix the Boomers' Solar Panels for free means that enough Repair expertise allows you to generate something from nothing? There is also no Statesmanship skill to level to 100 like the various other skills, so.....
@@alpacalover0 He's Judging It From The Political Aspects The Courier Could Take Especially If They Are A Messiah Type Character They Could Easily Create A Solid Political Bloc Against The NCR And Legion
A slight caveat for the NCR that was neglected, they're also as corrupt as the Old Word Government and are heavily influenced by the Mob and Brahman Barrons. It's kinda a theme of the series that people are terrible and keep making the same mistakes. No faction is wholely "Good", as there are always people looking to take advantage of and harm others.
A slight caveat for the Legion that was neglected, they're also as short-sighted and heavily reliant on a single man's grand vision as the actual Roman Empire and would not be sustainable in the long term due to this, even if Caesar was able to live a full life. I find it intriguing that you can kill Caesar and effectively doom the Legion in the long run so easily. I do like the Legion, but they are the obvious villains of the story and would be the worst.
@@waltermalone216 The (Western) Roman Empire existed for 420 years (lol) roughly, if we date the foundation to the Battle of Actium (27 B.C or thereabouts) and the fall of Rome to the Barbarians (465 A.D). Their customs and laws continued to exist until 1453 with the fall of Constantinople. Perhaps they had a lot of turbulence on the way there, but the Roman Empire isn't "One man's great vision" it was a collective vision amongst many great men. Besides Octavian and Julius, you had Trajan, Hadrian, Antinous Pius, Marcus Aurelius, and later, Constantine, Theodosius and Justinian.
I like most of this video, but something that really bothers me when people talk about this game is how Mr house destroys the brotherhood of steel because "they are ridiculous* That's the reason why he doesn't like them, but the reasons why he wants to kill them it's because they would try to attack him because of his technology, he says so himself, and if you talk to people from the brotherhood they do want to attack him. And they also destroy his roaming seguritrons
The real reason why is cause in play testing they thought too many people would sign up with house if you could talk him out of it. It's still in the files.
@@TheJewishAzovMember isn't kind of the point of the game to make all factions flawed? House being unwilling to negotiate, or considering them unable to see any further is part of his character, and it makes the game richer. Ideal endings make the game boring
@@staringgasmask There are more things wrongs with House's ending than not being able to side with the brotherhood. Personally, I agree that they should be removed from the wasteland. And while I would pick House everytime, there are some things that I find about his ending worrying or flawed. Still, fuck the brotherhood.
I just bought this game yesterday and started playing a bit today. Never got around to playing these games when they first came out as I couldn't get the consoles but now I am able to play I'm excited to see the difference between fallout 3 and fallout Vegas.
Mr House said that he had plans to expand into other planets in I think a century or two. That requires more infrastructure than what's available in the Mojave, so once it was his after the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, he'd most likely expand further.
I prefer the ending where the courier ends up as Father Elijah's goon, and wipe out the entire Mojave.. Tunnelers are spreading into the Mojave from the Divide, and having an invincible army of holograms could perhaps keep them at bay.
About the Brotherhood of Steel negatives, every positive and negative is actually personified in FO76 which is kinda crazy to say. Ramani, and Shin are both sides of the Brotherhood and it's interesting to see it in real time because in most FO games you only get one side of the leadership, then a follower to give you exposition exact example would be Veronica or would need to find terminals etc. But I think what's genuinely wrong with the Brotherhood is personified in Elijah and Maxis, where those in power/leadership are just insane through and through; yet those who actually have common sense are shunned or "Should be relieved because they do not follow the elders orders". If you haven't tried doing the FO76 campaign around the BoS you should, while it's not nearly as in depth as other games, it really hammers it into you in a short amount of time both sides of that type of leadership. Which I found pretty awesome, granted that final boss fight can go to hell lol
In regards to Legion: A lot of people forget what Cesar talks about, specifically what happens after NCR is defeated and he rules the west. He believes that a synthesis will occur, converting the Legion from a band of warriors to an military dictatorship giving civilization to the wasteland. A lot of the theories about Legion devouring itself are based on the belief that this synthesis will occur. Obviously if you don't believe that will happen then Legion is wrong, but if you understand what Cesar is saying you can understand he is not as shortsighted as other factions claim.
@Jon Doe exactly, people complain about the legion doing that, but in many cases it's a choice between supporting slavery and having your family raped and killed in front of you by a raider
@Jon Doe Which version of the Rome playbook are you talking about? The reasons for Rome's success were less to do with its military and capability but with its ability to adapt to its situation. It can change policies on a dime to best fit the needs it faced. When it got too large it could not manage its territory, it stopped and focus on the territory it could control. When it need to give freedoms and liberty to survive, it did so to stabilize the government. It also took centuries to grow in size, not in rapid succession it has to control with brute force. Ceaser failed to realize this and tried to recreate the conquering empire that got too big before it collapse and set up an environment where only the strong rule. When you build a government that depends on an iron fist, there will be infighting the moment the leader dies.
I think it is fair to say that for mr. house what we have seen doesn't mean that he will be like that in the future, i mean in the good karma ending the curier makes mr house more agreable, that means that with time the courier could make him come to view the rest of the wasteland as worth his time, and treat other factions better, also since he was willing to work with benny and now the courier so closely and even influence events, it could mean that a goverment where house is the true leader but he has either a human partner to keep him in check could form, either that or in the future mr house could make the courier alive like him, then there would be a someone that can lead and has the ambition to make humanity great again, and someone that can keep the people happy and interact with other factions.
Honestly mr house is the only one who made sense for me cause both the legion and NCR both rely on conquest and territorial gain while he relies on technology. Like no one can bribe or influence him and despite him being an evil tyrant I’m siding with him
NCR soldier: "hey, you shouldn't go into that town right now. Theres escaped convicts and gang members in there." Me: "why aren't you helping the townsfolk? The gangmembers have tire irons" NCR soldier: *leans on his mound of advance weaponry* we dont have the support nor the arms to deal with them. But remember, pay us your taxes!" This is why the NCR is more evil then the legion and House is the best option.
@@dugonman8360 the NCR is stupidly overstretched due to their commander trying to out muscle the legion at the damn rather than out think them like the rangers did, so any NCR forces away from their strong areas are more exposed to the guerrilla tactics of the legion agents like Vulpes
You make an interesting point starting 20:30-ish, in that the Legion is essentially like a bunch of 40K Orks only held together by a wily strongman. I'd never thought of what the Legion might do if it won, but your suggestion that they would self-destruct from infighting (especially after their leader dies) makes a lot of sense. I've only ever sided with House or the NCR. Time to roll a new character and try siding with the Enclave or Brotherhood!
I've always thought that the ideal ending is: Mr. House runs the strip. The NCR runs the Mojave. Mr. House is limited on the area that he can control via Securitrons, which is why he couldn't prevent the courier from getting shot. Even with the extra units and combat system upgrades, the range that he can control them is never really brought up, so that's assuming it's a limitation he just has to accept. He may expand into the greater Vega's area's (westside, freeside, north vegas) but beyond that, it's a grey area. Vegas seems to be all he is interested in anyway. Mr. House has the courier work for the NCR, they are his best customers. Even if they are under his thumb when it comes to hoover dam, it's good for business to keep customers content, that means taking their wants and needs into consideration. The NCR will continue to expand, taking more and more citizens under it's protection, with an alliance with Mr. House that becomes easier and it's citizens safer. So, even losing the dam to Mr. House, it's a long term gain for the NCR. Mr. House has the know-how, the technology, and the means to manufacture robotics, weapons, auto-docs, and technologies for food, water, and chem production, which he will happily sell to the NCR. This creates new facilities that need bodies to operate them, creating jobs for NCR citizens. National debt, industrial military complex, and people pouring money into self destructive personal vices. Even after 200 years and a nuclear holocaust, America hasn't changed much.
The problem is the NCR and pretty much every other faction forces you to kill house. Only the House Always Wins ending has House alive. I hated killing him in New Vegas because I think hes the best choice for the wasteland. Too bad NCR would never allow it...
Caesar is referred to in both vocalizations (K-eye-zar) (Sea-sir), in one of the loading screens you can see the inscription "Toss me a salad, Caesar!", Which can only be considered a reference to a Caesar salad. NCR militants will refer to him/his legion as either or, so in all reality this is a matter of choice.
House is a great man, but what he asks for is short of becoming a god, he needs to be hold to a greater standard than the others, just being "better than the NCR" doesn't cut it. As for the NCR, they have a decent fundation but rapid expansion has made of them a twisted and vulnerable structure, even if the Courier's INV proyect fails, giving them a few decades to fix their own problems back at home will be better for them than access to the Mojave, and idealy they would stay there. Which brings me to why I support the idea of an INV, I think the best way to rebuilt is from the ground up, with at least at first, local governments on a scale comprehensible to it's citizens. Tho of course the wish fulfillment goal would be for the tribes and settlements of areas to unite under states like in the Mojave or NCR and then those states to eventually for the Union back again.
About your Ceaser/Kaiser comment (how it’s pronounced) you’re partially right. If you notice, people who are NCR loyal or independent say “Ceaser” and people who are loyal or aligned with the legion say “Kaiser” so it’s actually a subtle piece of world building that allows you to figure out someone’s loyalty from how they speak. So... yea you might hate these comments but you aren’t 100% correct telling people to shut up about it.
the mutant who greets you at Jacobstown pronounces it kaesar, yet there's no indication or evidence of him supporting the legion. might not be a solid theory
The Geckos were the only faction worth supporting. They were adorable. All the human groups were pretty terrible. Just do a kill everyone run and give back the vegas lands to the geckos.
only acceptable answer. of course there would be the constant gecko infighting, with the fire and golden geckos constantly at each other's throats while the green geckos kinda just vibe on their own in Zion
I'd like to think that if you chose to side with Mr. House then the outer worlds is a sequel to new Vegas or the outcome to him building and expanding.
BEST ENDING for me was giving the Enclave Veterans their last hurrah and then double-crossing the NCR and keeping all of NV and the Dam for myself... and there I would help the Enclave rise again while also allying with the Brotherhood of Steel. After a stability period, push west to liberate the people from the clutches of the NCR once and for all.
technically, yes Caesar is pronounced that way in latin, and it is used like that in the game... by *some* npcs. NPCs in NV use both pronunciations, and in general those who support the legion pronounce it with a k sound, and those who hate the legion use an s sound.
I think the most compelling argument against House, is the fact that, because he is just one person, he can't conceivably govern every single person or event in the Mojave. We already know from the base game that there are huge gaps to his knowledge. He didn't know the White Glove Society were becoming cannibals. He didn't know about Yes Man. He didn't know about Benny's plans. He didn't even know about the Omerta's plot with Caesar. And the families are literally across the Lucky 38. So while Caesar has his Centurions and Veterans to oversee the towns and tribes he conquered. And NCR has it's bureaucrats, politicians, and local governments. House has no one but himself and the backstabbing casino families he's isolated from. There's a reason the nickname for House is "Not-At-Home".
I think I remember dialogue in-game where he actually knew about omertahs and Benny, the white gloves being cannibals were something he knew they used to be but thought he had beaten out of em
He knew about their plans Onertss and Benny but couldn't do shit because Benny held the Chip and him by the balls. House is basically people beliefs in corporations but personified. NCR is Current America. Independent Vegas and NCR are the most realistic to me.
"Maybe have a look in the mirror or touch some grass" That line made me burst out laughing because I first watched this video while sitting on the grass in my yard.
Looking at House's tech, if you go with House [Who I think is the best choice], the player pretty much is his 2nd in command. With the tech House has or could get, it could be possible for 6 to grt the Kellogg treatment and live way longer then he should, maybe hundreds of years. This could in theory keep Vegas much more stable then the NCR ever could.
If you want a stagnant nation led by an out-of-touch leader who has no understanding of the real problems of his nation or how to solve them, this is an excellent idea. Just look at how many problems arise in the real world because of the average age of politicians and leaders, and how they are still thinking in terms of the world they grew up in instead of adapting to and understanding the way the world has changed since then. Imagine a nation ruled by a man born in the 1600's, with all the ideals and misunderstandings of his time, and his second in command who was born in the 1800's. That's exactly what you're suggesting.
Your Mr House lore is wrong. He doesn't want to rebuild society on earth. He literally says that he knows the earth is done and he wants to transport humanity to another planet
I can’t pick NCR ironically for the same reason I can’t pick Legion: they are a dictatorship. It’s like what Benny said at the Fort: the NCR’s crimes are committed under the guise of exercising the law. People who want to join the NCR, great. But forcefully annexing entire populations and enforcing mass conscription is a fantastic way to have a civil war. How is that any different than Legion slaves forced to fight after being brainwashed to believe that Caesar did them a service? It’s even reminiscent of Three Dog’s description of raiders on his radio broadcast. That’s saying nothing about their absolute incompetence and inability to stabilize the region without courier intervention. Act Man said it best: each faction talks crap about the others, “and the funny thing is, they’re not wrong. But they are wrong about themselves.” Independent is the best choice for principle. Yes Man might be… cheerfully antagonistic at the end, to put it mildly, but the developers specifically said that he wasn’t booting the Courier out and governing by himself. Depending on the choices made by the Courier, a treaty could be signed by the Families and the local communities after some time, and in times of conflict these communities could form a confederation to defend their land, kinda like the Iroquois Confederacy. The nice thing about this option is that it’s flexible: you aren’t signing a contract for good or ill with a faction that you’ll be stuck with ad infinitum who will force you to fight for a foreign land, and you aren’t stuck with one man with unchecked powers.
Everyone saying Yes Man is the “neutral” ending are only half right. Yes Man is 100% completely neutral, no doubt about it. But the player character is literally the only person in New Vegas who can actually change their morality for better or for worse. Whether they’re Good, Bad or heinously Evil, by design everyone else in the game is just as robotically scripted as Yes Man himself. YOU decide the morality of the Yes Man ending, not Yes Man… which just can’t be said about the other endings. How you played the game for hours leading up to the ending tells a more complex narrative than the robotically scripted narration by Ron Perlman ever could. Also more specifically, the Courier and Yes Man are the only ones capable of reaching a peaceful solution with the Brotherhood, in about as weak a position as we’ve ever seen them. Since they’re pretty much doomed no matter what, this seems the best possible route for dealing with them in a stable long-term way. While the weapons they have stockpiled are of little actual use to themselves (or you in your siege of Hoover Dam) since their numbers are so low, they could still drastically alter power structures in the area if they ever got out of that bunker. Which is why their fate isn’t actually as inconsequential as you might think at first, I mean nothing ever is in New Vegas. More so than just deciding the immediate fate of who controls New Vegas, you’re also deciding who will be in the best position to inherit this hoard of advanced technology and weapons when the Brotherhood of Steel does finally die off. Convincing them to help you might not ultimately matter to the fight if you’re a living god. But having them join that fight really just expedites the process of them dying off, while forming bonds of camaraderie with the survivors in the process.
Obviously the best choice would be to turn the wasteland over to the Kings. But since the game doesn't allow it, all I have to say is "Ave, true to Caesar."
I really hope that we get a fallout game where your character has ties to the Enclave I think that would be one of the most interesting fallout games ever, or your character was a former member of the brotherhood of steel chapter in Detroit that went dark.
I hope fallout 5 has every faction, like a massive fight between the BoS allying with the west and Midwest, the NCR from California, the legion, all the left over enclave and some misc factions like raiders. It's like FNV where there's like 59 factions that all want to kill each other
@@MrMadre Id kind of like if they had a territory system where all the factions could take over or lose settlements and they end up being run differently depending on whos holding it
I've recently taken to the idea of the Courier being governor of New Vegas, but answering to the NCR. The NCR would need the securitrons to effectively defeat and push back the Legion. But having the Courier - who has travelled the Mojave extensively - to advocate for both the people of Vegas and those living in surrounding communities, would prevent the NCR from being too oppressive. New Vegas would never truly be conquered by the NCR, but the leader would always have to answer to them (decreasing the likelihood of a despot abusing their authority).
you could argue that after house death, the NCR after the battle of hoover dam would then look at the securitrons as weapon to defeat legion and/or help patrolling the newly secured mojave. The NCR do use robot as there was suppose to be a sentry bot defending Camp McCarran
@@spookyengie735 Exactly why the Courier would need to have authority over them. Otherwise the NCR would take advantage of all the weapons in the Mojave; Archimedes II, the toxic cloud, the holograms, Big MT, if any one faction got control over these they would conquer the wasteland. The Courier's job would be mostly to protect them.
@@spookyengie735 If you get the Brotherhood to cooperate with the NCR then they'll actually perform a similar task to what you mention. They help patrol the Highway 12 area and would aid in large battles in exchange for technological access and greater security
@@sulley3370 Last guy who had that job you are describing was mr. House. Remind me what did the NCR do once they found a single weakness? In your fanfic the courier would get stabbed in the back first chance, and that's ignoring the fact that you won't be able to boss around Yes man after he upgrades. At best independent would keep the status quo.
There is no best faction. Like modern governing bodies, an amalgamation of all is best; nation-building and social engineering is a delicate situational balancing act. Another testament to Obsidian's excellent story design.
I’ve always thought that House and NCR were the best factions. The Obsidian writing team did such an amazing job with the factions that keeps me coming back to this game. That people are still arguing over who’s the best for the Mojave just shows how great the game is. Great video by the way!
@@playerarmy6890 I think the yes man route could be the worst if you went out of your way to kill everyone that isn't a respawning or essential npc and nuke both the legion and the ncr at the end of lonesome road. But I agree with your comment. What pro's the legion does have are often hidden and not spoken about. The game tries to paint it like the Mojave is divided when damn near the whole map and game is in ncr territory and everyone universally hates the legion.
House fanboy here. Great video! I think you touch on some great points; however, I don't feel the risk for his "corruption" quite outweighs the contributions he has given (and could continue to give) to humanity. When it comes to the NCR: As you've said at the end, given the choice, an ending in which they might have some influence or control of Outer Vegas and the Wasteland and leave the Strip alone could be preferable. When it comes to the two parties, though, it is the NCR - NOT Mr. House - that are scheming to the detriment of the other. The NCR are the ones that want to supplant a man that saved a city and built it into something with immense potential. They're the conniving factor. I can't entirely disagree with the point about him being a gambler (even though he does crunch numbers and tactical weight of just about every move he makes). What I can say is that Vegas and the Wasteland have so few chips to offer and so much more to gain with him, it's well worth the risk. And if the unlikely is to happen and he does go full tyrant, I'm sure the Courier still remembers where that interesting little computer terminal is... The House Always Wins, baby. 🤖
don’t feel like the developers did enough to justify choosing Caesars legion. The have effectively no upside per se. It’s just a choice for people who want a low karma run.
Hope you guys enjoyed this video even if you disagreed! Let me know who you’d pick if you had the choice!
I'd probably go for the NCR I'm not big on military run governments but in that world I'd happily live under their banner if it meant survival plus their group is steeped in a history of wishing to help restore a sense of peace to the populace and helping those in need
I'd pick either the brotherhood of steel or yes man. Love the video man keep up the awesome work
House hands down, it’s spacers choice
Question do you play halo
@@irishgamer8412 I do yes, next video will be on that actually
Characteristics of a great game: People still are discussing and debating about its content even after more than a decade of its release. So glad there's a substantial community still talking about FNV.
It is because it is a handcrafted masterpiece that shows us how basic human ideologys interact with eachother. Democracy vs Fascism vs Capitalism vs The Last Man.
Was kinda “trendy” at one point months ago
The game crashes so much i still reload and play it like it never happened. That’s how awesome a game it is.
can't even finish hour of gameplay, game still crash without performance mod
Still a decade old and people are talking about it and I still love it. I like Fallout 4 too but I like it purely for the exploration, nothing RPG wise.
The Institute being the big bad just pale in comparison to anything New Vegas. Imagine being the smartest and most resourceful faction in the entire series but they just decide "yea let's kidnap people and replace them".
I personally prefer House. Sure, he's an autocrat, but there's room to maneuver. He gives you every luxury he has and, if you have good Karma, the player is told that the courier ensured that House was fair to people. In terms of values i align with the NCR, but House it the most competent person to rebuild the wasteland. Create the conditions for a better life faster than any other faction. Besides, there's no real descrimination. As long as you're a potential customer, he couldn't care less what you are.
House is actually different from other autocrats in that he doesn’t dictate what people do so you could argue that people have more freedom with house
EDIT: I say plants rather than facilities later in this comment thread that’s because something or someone is fucking with my auto correct
EDIT again: house might actually be the best ending for the ncr since kimball and Oliver no longer have their jobs so it leaves a space for someone more competent them
Your right that House does give other people freedom, what do you think he would do when he has built up the high tech sector and no longer needs casino's to ensure an income, but can sell new & old tech to the wasteland, in terms of his interactions with other factions?
@@JRYYD are you talking to me or him
@@analt2379 I was taking to him, but in your view you said House does not dictate other people what would House do if he did claim other plants, how would he govern over them?
@@JRYYD he would probably start dictating what people do by that point but I think there would still be a lot of freedom actually I think working at the plants would be an occupation and all the people in the Mojave would be given a job
The sad thing about New Vegas is that the game was far from finished. The game is huge and they made it this way because they had huge ambition. They wanted the game to feel massive and they meant it. However due to time constraint they had to release it much earlier than they wanted. And thus many factions and parts of the game were left rushed or neglected. If New Vegas got the time it needed to be complete it might have been the best game of all time. The Story was there, the gameplay was there. But it wasn't complete
And maybe i could've saved 10 bullets each trying to kill an ant.
Well, Bethesda can't have Obsidian destroying their legacy with a borrowed engine.
Even though its incomplete, its still a masterpiece and way up there for best games of all time. Just goes to show the lack of effort and quality in todays games.
And? Who cares. Product is what it is. Stop living life as what if and go get it. Only thing worse than failure is never trying and this comment sounds like a regret attitude. Learn from other failures and take it.
they can always remake new vegas.
Cazadors are the strongest faction easily but it is hard to pin exactly what they're goals and ideals are so it's still up for debate whether they're the best or not.🤔🐝🐝🐝
Cazadors fucking scare me.
There wasps, their goal is to hurt people.
Facts, I utterly hate fighting those things
Straight facts. People talk about the Tunnelers being a problem in NV but Cazadors are the true horror.
Cazadors want animals to kill, eat and lay their eggs in. Preferably large mammals like bears and bulls.
Considering the Institute exists, it would be safe to say that House would eventually encounter them. Chances are if he as able to negotiat with them, he would likely want to use thier synth technology. I wouldn't put it past him to have them build a synth made in his image, to put his mind into. This way he could experiance the world again and be able to interact with the population if he ever wished it.
House wouldnt trust them at all there would be no alliance
@@noobgun12 the institute have the same goals as house technological progress at all costs. He doesn't trust the brotherhood because they're violent to people with old war tech which is Mr House's whole deal. The institute wants to make the Commonwealth better but they're ruthless and mysterious just like house.
@@lowlsqwid Isn't House also an Alumni of CIT? I'd say he probably would quickly jump on board with working with them, maybe not trusting them initially but probably getting them to side with him.
Thank god you’re not on the writing team
Someone put the modders on this…
The fact that there is no easily acceptable right answer and that every faction has their benefits and their obvious drawbacks is what made the choices in Fallout New Vegas so compelling and I just wish the series will learn from it in the future
legion is obvious choice
@@imhim3717 based, legion wrecks
@@SoraTheHappyEmo i didn’t hear their negatives so i have now change my choice and would say the NCR is better 💀 guess ur comment was right
@@SoraTheHappyEmo atleast this games factions are actually good and all have meaning , unlike cough cough, fallout 4🫣
Well I typically side with NCR, House is probably the best since House neither suffers from being a democratic capitalist Republic and neither suffers as an authoritarian fascist Empire, he's corporatocracy city state whose power and wealth relies on the success and flourishing of his people and being that he's immortal, his ruling of New Vegas would be long lasting and fruitful whilst all the over options are destined to failure, the funny thing about city states is that they never collapsed, but simply evolved beyond their borders which lead to countries like the Legion and NCR so unless House becomes an expansionist, his rule over New Vegas is the best option
The best faction imo is clearly the death claws they can rebuild society
it would be hardly a society
All hail Leader of the Deathclaws, Gorris Long Nails
Yes bring back Talking DeathClaws, and the Sexy Sleepwear 😉
@@raigarmullerson4838 Packs are Societies o.o
Fallout 2 deathclaws could rebuild a society
The scariest part about the Enclave is the fact we only know of a couple bases. And in every installment no matter how badly defeated there's always another base telling them to relocate.
That's because they are the United States of America
@@Gamer-ry6xy God bless em
The idea of the main base of the enclave being at the moon is possible and some larger bases at different countries that america has defeated/influenced is also possible.I can't think of many countries that America greatly defeated, influenced and allied dating back the american civil war. My country, Philippines. May even have an Enclave base as we were defeated by America during the Phil-Am war. Maybe Japan and South Korea.
@@Gamer-ry6xy Is mexico part of america?
@@enclaveboogalo3775 “likely Enclave bases in Japan and Korea”
I’d love to see Fallout take to the Chinese sea, so we can see some of these places. Someone put the modders on it please 😁 this was likely a pivotal location in the conflict leading up to the Apocalypse and compared to anywhere else we’ve seen could be totally alien… and having a language barrier could be a cool feature, reminiscent of Mothership Zeta.
As long as Goodsprings prosper, it's a good ending in my book.
Welp,House is good pick for you then :D
@@skell6134 not if you side with powder gangers
@@Theuglymug it’s my first play threw and I just killed them all well the ones I see what happens
@@wellhellotheretowhomisreadingt i gotta know, was there an ending for that
But the xp glitch is so much fun
Just give the whole desert to Raul. He would bemoan the responsibility, and then fix it anyways.
I agree, Raul doesn’t care (too much at least) who he’s working for and he likes to fix things
thats what im sayin
Honestly? Far from the worst option
better than the legion
Do not forget about The Kings, the best Elvis Impersonators of the Mojave.
You said the NCR treats mutants as equals but didn't they send mercenaries to kill them at Jacobstown.
Yeah, they're equal in the same way Uighurs in China are. Written into law as such, with politicians openly not caring whether people follow those laws and less openly breaking them themselves
Weren't the mercenaries simply hired by one senator of the NCR? This does show that there is discrimination against st there, but it doesn't prove that is a systemic issue on a greater scale than in most other big factions.
@@alfredsmith4431 wasn't a single senator. The mercenaries said it was some high-ranking NCR officials. Plural.
@@gageowo9527 well considering that they back down with little convincing it definetly wasnt a serious job
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I personally like working with house and getting big Mt on my side since I feel like they could do the most to rebuild the wasteland
Okay... just don't let them create any more creatures... o.o
Mama still cries when she sees a wasp or hears a coyote rustle in the brush.
Yes
You mean the people that chop up randos and made cazadors? Idk dude house is pragmatic but the Mt scientists are crackpots not even able to keep on top of their own studies.
Except the dr who intentionally fucked their memories up even says that if you let them out of big MT they will just use the mojave for more experiments
Mobius is the only decent brain jar, the rest are psychotic and almost in a child like state due to going mad, even then mobius has no reason or urge to do anything other than taking chems. Best to kill them and let house utilise some technology there to potentially reach his goals faster.
"The brotherhoods stance on mutated individuals is too harsh." In new vegas the bos had a sort of non aggression pact with the mutants on black mountain until Marcus left and tabitha took over, so I doubt it was too harsh.
Really? Where is that said?
@@sextuspompeius1266 The final quest with mcnmara. When he tasks you to go to black mountain to bug the radio he says something along the lines of "Relations with the mutants were good until recently. Seeing as they've proven themselves hostile, I dont care if you kill a few of them just go bug their radio."
@@mappingshaman5280 guess I always skipped that dialogue, interesting thing
it's all based on McNamarra tho. Any other elder and boom - we have bos turning vaguely similar to their nazi Boston counterparts ;)
@@mappingshaman5280 The bos don't fight them simply because they can't . They don't have the numbers or the firepower anymore. But I bet you if they have the power they will act like their old self.
Glad someone finally shares my opinion that easy Pete would be the true best ruler for new Vegas after the fall of all the factions.
i think muggy would be the better option
No docter Mobeis@@mikadosannoji553
Snuffles Supremacy
One thing I find common in the major factions is that they often try to re-create the old world, the same old world that imploded on itself creating the wasteland that we know today.
was looking for someone to say this. felt the same way in my playthrough and made me hate the NCR. house is the only one who comes close to doing something new. an AI based govt governed by impartial computation with no bias. never been done before
That’s why the Great Khans and Followers of the Apocalypse forming a new civilization in Wyoming ending is my favorite.
@@microwavedave2351 you mean a genocidal facist, House is nothing new he done the same thing as Cesar did to Vegas tribes, but in a bit less brutal way.
Also House might have a great plans and live over 200 years but is still a human, he is extremist who want to rule over everyone to rebuilt civilization in his own way(and they fly to the Moon or somewhere else)
Giving a power to one person is still an old world way, it doesn't matter he is more machine than man, he still have his personality and own goals.
And even if he was AI do you think a machine with unlimited power is such a great idea?
Except House, who just wants some glamour
@@kacperaskawski3461 Mr. House said it himself. He doesn’t want to legislate anybody. He also said “…Whatever people do on their own time doesn’t concern me…” that doesn’t seem like he wants to rule over anyone. Mr. House also said “…I don’t want to be treated like a mechanical god…” so this would also tell you he wouldn’t throw himself out there and tell everyone to love him. All he cares about is progressing humanity.
The House Always Wins
No way
"The men of the old age realize the time that they had was never theirs
The nuclear age, but a flash in the pan - to kings and lords
The House, Always Wins"
Hey I gotta show you something in-front of the dinosaur quick, cmere.
"A man chooses..."
“Was that meant to be a shocking revelation?”
When I choose the independent ending I imagine a Mojave Federation. All the settlements would be semi-autonomous with New Vegas at the center. The Courier with the help of Yes Man would act as an executive & be mostly hands off outside of Vegas. Trade between settlements would provide all needed essentials. The Courier could be a 3rd party arbitrator in any disputes. Conflicts or threats would be handled by the securitron army. A good relationship with the NCR would be necessary but they’d have no military installments beyond the Mojave Outpost. All in all I don’t think the Courier & Yes Man would have to act as the sole rulers of the entire wasteland. Most settlements would thrive on their own and provide The Strip with plenty of customers along with the NCR citizens from the West.
Agree. That’s my view too. My only concern is the same as what’s said in the video, the Courier and Yes Man lack the experience to do this. You can gain this experience by helping House and taking over from him eventually. For that reason I prefer choosing House.
Nope, it leads straight to chaos, even without cut content showing that it does that’s what it would obviously lead to considering if we’re playing fallout new Vegas we most definitely don’t know how to run a civilization lol, so if you don’t want to harm the wasteland don’t follow in Benny’s steps.
The guy shoots you and you follow his path??? You know how this ends
@@Burning_Alive Disagree. Tandi didn't knew how to run the country, yet she was successful. Edward Sallow didn't as well, yet he created Legion. So why does everyone assume, that courier will be too inexperienced? If you do all DLC's, courier is pretty much a demi-god level cyborg with intellect rivaling that of House, having securitron army AND think-tank at his/hers disposal. Both Tandi and Swallow started from scratch ;) so i don't see any reason to assume why neutral or good karma courier wouldn't be crazy successful.
@@echoes222 because cut content literally shows it but you can believe whatever you want my guy, it’s your game and the endings aren’t concrete it can go anyway you want it but if you don’t have a god complex and you can’t tell me how to run a nation(I mean literally you) then it’s a spiral into chaos, a step further from civilization returning and Vegas as we know it in game ceases to be, the cut content I’m referring to is a slide that shows the chaos and yes man saying he is going to go offline for a bit to become more assertive which I mean if you have a brain it’s pretty obvious your about to get overthrown by a robot
House didn't seek out Hoover Dam as he lacked a functioning society to draw in to the Strip. Before the NCR arrived New Vegas consisted of backwards tribals, cannibals, and raiders, none of which would have a desire for casino gambling or drunken escapades.
Immediately upon seeing the NCR he sprung into action, convincing them to both activate the Dam, and give him 5% of the power, he also whipped three tribes into civilized employees, which I think is rather impressive. With this in action he now had an economy (had he used the tribes he'd just be using essentially his own money to gamble in his own casinos) to siphon resources off of and could now put his plans in motion.
Furthermore, I believe the NCR is very much susceptible to the flaws you fear House succumbing to, House himself is an example. House might be in the way? Kill him, no negotiation, no trades. Remove him. Just like House and the Brotherhood. While House MAY become corrupt, the NCR IS corrupt. And just like House's penchant for gambling, the NCR gambles every election cycle on whether they get a capable leader.
NCR become Corrupt cause is some politicians you know, sometime can competent at same time can destroy themselves especially, while NCR have bad manage through regulation
like small example, NCR collect taxes but can't make road save, while Legion have slavery don't have taxes but keep road save, while mr house just small faction compared power of this two faction.
Main problem Mr house is maintain a balance while small faction always cause internal problem like some quest have showing Mr house Omerta assist Caesar and want assault 38 casino
Without courier or blind follower Mr house reign will ended
Besides we can use our own real world as an example as why the NCR will fail: We gamble with elections all the time and always get fucked regardless
@@ridwan3533 House knowed about the Omertad trachery, he just use the corrier to deal with them because at this point in game you are his "personal mercenary", but if the corrier didn't exist, he would probably just hire another person to do the job.
Yeah, that's how voting works.
I agree for alot of stuff you said except the corruption
The NCR isn't corrupt it's members are and these members can be removed Muckrakers exist to root out this corruption, (the non violent ending to Cass's quest is an example) there's corruption but the difference is if house gets corrupted he's untouchable
"a lot of BoS people want to help the wastelanders"
yknow the washingtond DC brotherhood were considered traitors and after a while they became xenophobic imperialists, and the west coast brotherhood didnt really wanna help people to be honest either, they sent mfs who wanted to join them on suicide missions, veronica is like the exception to the rule
The virgin DC Brotherhood
Vs
The chad West Coast Brotherhood
Elder Maxson for ruler of the wasteland!
AD VICTORIUM!
Finding Veronica and bringing her back to the bunker is literally the only way in F:NV to NOT get a bomb collar put on your neck when dealing with the Brotherhood. Anyone else gets surrounded, stripped, rigged, and sent off on a one-way mission for the BoS.
No matter what the Bethesda Fallout games say, the Brotherhood are an EXTREMELY SOLITARY group.
I don't think west coast was implied to be self-righteous until New Vegas. They saved humanity in fallout 1 after all.
yes....and yet they were selling weapons to wastelanders like candy, same with implants. New Vegas wrecked their lore more than FO3 did.
@@daz1543
Maxon is the DC brotherhood :/
There was cut content found where there would've been an option for a treaty between House and the NCR, if only Obsidian was given more time.
There's mods to restore that truce and one for the Legion and BOS also one that allows Hardin to do the NCR/BOS Truce.
@@hopedream11 what are the mods called?
@@saggyshaggy3272 House NCR is one. There's also one in the Main Story Alterations mod. You'll also find the Legion Brotherhood one in there as well. I'd recommend the No Ultimatums one.
@hopedream11 thanks for the fast reply dude. I just got a brand new pc yesterday and I'm getting into modding again after 10 years
@saggyshaggy3272 yeah FNV is fun and worth
Man, this comment section is about to be popping! Lol
New Vegas's awesome philosophical depth makes it one of my favorite games of all time. There truly is nothing else like it, unless Obsidian makes another Fallout. Fingers crossed! 😎
Whatever faction you like is wrong, even if it's the same faction I like because you don't like it for the same reasons!!!
And so on and so forth! :P
That's a good indication of a timeless game.
@@RealBradMiller
That's it, perfect description! Lol
@@jonalbertlafuente9805
Absolutely agree, it's one of those games that impacted my life and made me ponder my own personal beliefs more than any other game except for maybe KoTOR II (another Obsidian gem)
@@punishedvenomsnake716
I'm sure in the far far future New Vegas will still be talked about XD
A few counter points against your stance on House:
1) He didn't gamble on 1 courier. He had multiple couriers carrying duds and decoys. The entire ferrying of the platinum chip was made as safe as he had the power to do so. He gambled later on, sure, with the decision of the player, but it was less of a gamble and more of a "Here are all the reasons why you SHOULD side with me. Here's my argument. I trust you make the right decision." It's not that it was a gamble, it's that House couldn't conceive of his own failure. In some ways that's better, and in some ways that's worse.
2) With mankind's culture and society basically having the "reset" button pressed by the Great War, they are culturally going through the entire course of human history again. That's why New Vegas is so "unique" for all the Fallouts. It throws almost every type of conceivable, justifiable form of government at the player and let's us choose what we feel is the best course for the Mojave. Each form has a pro and con, like you stated. However, House raises a valid point on his comment of Democracy. In the Fallout Universe, democracy led to humanity's near extinction, because corruption rotted democracy. House's entire point is the argument that putting power in the hands of many at the same time, leads to more rampant corruption and infighting. Yes, a singular person also can be subject to this, as absolute power corrupts absolutely, but in House's case, he's unable to benefit from any of that so called corruption. What more does he honestly require? He can live forever already if we don't disturb his pod, and with not being able to leave the pod, corruptions of the flesh are meaningless to him. He's entirely fueled to the resurrection of mankind as a whole, and escaping the irradiated dirtball of man's folly. He's taking a viewpoint, much like Spock does in Star Trek. The needs of the many outweight the needs of the few. He's looking at the long term goal of getting humanity back on track and free of its past mistakes. Yes, that may mean sacrifices to those that oppose House, however it is not like any of the other factions are opposed to eliminating those of different ideals either, and this is the point I think many miss. The NCR will fight others just as much as House does. Same as the Legion. In this one, unique set of circumstances, I'd pick House over any of the others because with House, there's a clear end game in mind. Industry, society, space exploration.
House could've saved any city in the US: Pittsburg, Detroit, Boston or Chicago with their flourishing industry, the highly technologically advanced New York, the populated Los Angeles, the strategically positioned Washington DC. All of them would've made for a really fast technological revolution, given how they could've produced all the resources they needed on their own, but no, he chose the only city surrounded by desert, that needs to import everything he chose Vegas, because gambling would give him way more money, also, have you payed attention to the fact that every faction that's against the NCR accuses them of corruption except for Mr House? And how could he, he's not immune to corruption, he IS corruption. He's not a hero, nor does he want the best for humanity, he clearly states that his genious master plan had only a 1% chance of success. All of this without saying he's the literal definition of a fascist.
@@radogen7845 Robert House is given few to no fascistic traits, he doesn't reject diversity, minorities, he does not obsess with nationalism and unity, instead he is an autocrat, authority and governance wrapped nicely around him. An Autocrat does not a Fascist make.
Mr House chose to protect Vegas because he was a local and had always admired it, as he himself says "It was a place of splendor. As magnificent as today's Strip may seem, it's but a shadow of the neon paradise that was Las Vegas. I grew up not far from here, and though I traveled the old world extensively, I never found another place like it." Furthermore, in Fallout, Vegas was home to many a great people and high-tech project, REPCONN, Helios One, or even his own Robco, and "surrounded by desert" was not accidental either, as it made it far more feasible to protect, being away from large(r) and/or military targets, still Vegas and its surroundings were targeted by 77 nukes with Mr Houses defenses deflecting 70 of those.
Robert House also "did not bet all on one courier" as this video claims, hes far more intelligent and effectively the best choice for the Mojave far as im concerned (made potentially better depending on couriers karma), even if i don't agree with everything out of him.
@@SoftExo That does not change the fact that he outright admitted that the probabilty that the standard of living would go back to pre-war standards is of 1%! And still he talks about going on the moon. Also, how do we know that he will really do what he told us he will, how do we know he really will help humanity recover? He could be wrong, he could fail, he could be lying. And when we will know, it will be too late, he will already have all the power in new vegas. He's not a fascist? What is the definition of fascism: one person with all powers who controls every aspect of the public and private lives of their citizens and whose ideas are the only ones accepted. Mr House lets only his ideas exist, look what he does to the Brotherhood of Steel, despite them having never threatened or even talked about an independent New Vegas, yet he killed them just because he didn't want anyone else with different ideas from him, and with the Securitrons he will be able to spy on New Vegas 24/7, he will be able to put any price he wants on anything, he could make terrible laws and nobody could stop him, he could feed lies to his citizens, he could decide to kill everyone in New Vegas and there would be nobody to stop him, not a constitution, not an opposing party, nothing. Literally 1984.
Couldn't have said it better myself! Especially the part about House having nothing to gain, in flesh, or materialistically, that could corrupt his vision. I think that uniqueness alone puts him above the Legion/NCR because they both would be inevitably corrupted not to mention stagnated with the amount of power end game House has. Some may argue "independent/ Yes Man/ Courier" ending, but the truth is aside from the fact the Courier has little to no real diplomatic experience it could also be said the fact the Courier is Mortal and wont outlive House to be able to see society rebuilt so therefore can't mediate everything during the Mojaves reconstruction. Not to mention The Courier/ Yes Man have no finite plans to advance society like tech, infrastructure, space exploration like House does.
I tried all the endings, and found House to be the least abrasive. The Lesser of evils is still evil, I get that, but since there was no way to spare the Mutants from being destroyed by Vault City in FO2, I haven't found any Fallout Endings that make me happy, just less happy than the other options presented to me.
Personally I think I'd take the protectrons for myself and use them to elevate the Followers of The Apocalypse to power. They just seemed like the most reasonable to me.
Yeah they're clearly the most noble faction.
@@crenfick7750 who will not be able to oppose any new faction or threat
Theyre literally communists
And House does that… the Followers become the 2nd most powerful faction in a HOUSE led Vegas! Basically becoming the Personnel department in The corporation of Vegas!
Yes but the followers don’t have any sort of government structure they’re primarily a relief and volunteer force. Think Red Cross or Doctors Without Borders. They do good work but they’re not a functioning government of any sort
There's not a wrong way to say "Caesar", that's a good thing. You pronounce it depending on your allegiances, how you learned to say it, which depends on your culture
Yeah I noticed that those who are part of the legion say it one way and those who hate the legion all say it another way
The correct way is "SHIIIIII-ZAAAAAH", you can't change my mind.
Me personally I enjoy the house ending, it gives me a sense of accomplishment of my work knowing humanity will be leaving earth In a century or two
This game was so good. I really do hope they make a sequel. Even the dlc was good.
No need for one when the game is flawless (save for bugs). I mean, we even have mod so what is there to really want?
I personally feel like House is the best choice, especially since the Courier effectively becomes his second in command.
Even if House were to go power mad in the future, the courier can always at any time remove him.
This is pure speculation of course, but I think that with House taking the Courier under his wing, the Courier could really learn more about leadership and grow to become a true leader. Unlike the Wild Card option, the Courier could actually grow into the role and be there to fill the void should they ever need to remove House. We already know that Yes Man is effectively an eternal being, so he would always be around as a back up plan even after the game's ending.
Sounds interesting, in what way do you think House could remain in power while still having a strong grip on power and not go mad with that power and fulfil his goals?
@Tango Crunch democracy doesn’t work In apocalypse. Ncr is corrupted already and needs war to fuel it economy. Legion is the legion. Independent Vegas is just wasteland left to its own wonders. House has a plan at least for humanity.
@Tango Crunch Well that's the thing. Unlike House, the Courier works with others. Under ideal circumstances the Courier befriended factions like the Followers of the Apocalypse or even joined them, and also fostered positive relationships with Freeside and other communities outside of Vegas.
In this case the Courier would likely ask for help running things, since they don't have the grip on things House does (Being directly linked into the systems).
I do not believe the Courier can handle running things with only Yes Man at their side.
For any of this to work, the Courier would need to have the very best possible outcome for the House ending with as much positive reputation with the NCR and non main factions as possible.
Even then I'd expect the NCR would turn on the Courier as soon as House was out of the picture.
@@JRYYD Well like I said, the Courier can always access the chamber House's body is in at any point during the game, and one can assume that would continue after the story ends. Hell, even if you blow up House's robot army and make him hostile, the Courier STILL has access to the Lucky 38 and can go in and kill House.
So if House went mad with power, the Courier still has the ability to take him out.
@@awkwardGardener House said he would be dead within a year of leaving his chamber do you think he would be able to save himself if he was able to obtain FoA implants or that he might have a mobile suit of his life support or do you think he would make a backup chamber somewhere else?
"Mr House looked down on the courier"
Mr House: We don't have to dream we are important. We are.
The only reason why he go burst is because the courier is holding something incredibly important to him, new vegas and possibly the future of the Mojave, because they want more money... Imagine a guy take away your house key, inside of your house, demand money or he will lock you inside of your own house. And also you spent lots and lots of money and time to search for that key too
Yeah I didn’t see it as Mr House looking down on the Courier, more-so him being very careful and blunt with them.
That’s taking it far out of context, especially given what had just happened to him.
I do have to give credit, that Edward training up a tribe of people into a massive legion is a damn cool origin story. Best faction backstory, but most grim outcome XD.
i ultimately choose the NCR since thats the option that allows you to get the best endings for the most number of followers and (relatively) good factions (Boone rejoins the NCR army and hunts slave traders, Arcade moves back to the NCR and becomes a teacher, the Boomers start to gradually open up to the outside world through trade, brotherhood signs a peace treaty, etc)
And their the only faction that in which if one person dies it doesn’t just decimate every thing independent it’s the courier house it’s well house legion is Caesar however with ncr there isn’t a oh the president died guess we’re having a civil war no there’s plans for situations like that
NCR rules is totally same that was before nuclear war, which brings humans to self-destruction.
the house always wins
@Hellafast2uDude I disagree NCR rule can go that way or it can go the way of our current world. One this is for sure that they will never be big enough to control all of the U.S.
@@Hellafast2uDudeWas about to comment this- the NCR is basically just regular America all over again, which would inevitably lead to a second nuclear war. The world doesn't just need a fresh start: it needs a different one.
Best case scenario: Have the NCR collapse, have the Legion collapse, kill House, refuse to elaborate, leave.
"Yes Man, I need you to deploy the nukes at The Divide and target them at Big MT. Then I need you to calculate Pi indefinitely. You can let Father Elijah out of his cell when you're done calculating."
@@MK_ULTRA420 Based
@@MK_ULTRA420 "And so the courier who had cheated death in the cemetery outside Goodsprings cheated death once again... to grant it en masse"
SOMEWHERE IN NEVADA
@@staringgasmask Benny must've had 1 LUCK when he shot the Courier in the head...
@@MK_ULTRA420 with how low is luck was, he was lucky enough to dont get a critical backfire and killing himself
Caesar can be pronounced multiple ways. The Romans pronounced it either [ˈkae̯sar] or [tʃe̯ːsar], depending on the regional dialects at the time.
I love how people who have never learned latin will tell you "that's the latin way of pronouncing this thing".
@@archeogeek315 Yes, well, that's why they didn't learn.
Mr house's mugshot has serious Bioshock's Andrew Ryan vibes
They are both inspired by the same Guy irl
Howard Hughes ... How does nobody know about this dude anymore I mean he was on top of the world in his time,bit crazy but still...
@@dejanjordan The assertion that nobody knows about Howard hughes is abit much but ok...
@@Varjuk dude I am reading the comments a few do...
@@dejanjordan i confess i often interpret things literally
After a hard day at work feeling like crap this has cheered me right up. Great video. Cheers WiseFish.
I personally usually go with Yes Man, as some have stated the Fallout Universe is essentially pressing a reset button on human history. Going through everything all over again, just with some people having experience in some things already. So you have to think, back then no one had experience, and yes I know, your character could eventually fall for human desires, and also die, unlike House so long as he's left alone in his pod. But sometimes the best is also the worst possible outcome, you never know what someone is truly thinking, they can say whatever they want, do whatever they want, but once they get what they want everything changes. I don't like the whole Slavery or sexism of the Legion, nor do I like how the NCR's attitude is in some areas, and as for Mr. House, idk, but I personally don't like the idea of having an army of robots, not even with Yes Man. House has same very valid points, and some good ideas, but just cause he says that's what he wants, is it truly what he wants? Or is it just his cover to be the person in charge?
Followers of the Apocalypse.
Ideologically bound, secular, knowledge seeking/re-inventing. A group who has survived since the bombs fell and have adapted with the new world, not clung to the wreckage of the old.
Personal Opinion, I think the Followers are just a extension of the NCR. They are noble people and would do wonder for the wasteland but they lack the capacity to defense themselves, It really the NCR that keeping them safe.
@@spookyengie735 They pre-date the NCR, and while they do make use of the advantages they bring, they're non-aligned. In Vegas they are on the side of the citizen, not the NCR. Combining their appearances in 1 and New Vegas, the followers to me appear as a nationless faction, dedicated to ending human suffering, regardless of if that human is now a ghoul, mutant or vault dweller. But they're not scared of getting their hands dirty and implement both the technology they've salvaged and replicated from the old world, alongside the techniques and knowledge that have come since.
@@jonguilt7789 so anarchists?
They’re also anarchists who have no hierarchical structure that are already struggling to supply medical aid, and in the Independent ending they collapse under the strain helping those harmed by the Legion-NCR war.
@@Falloutlover1011 The group at the Mormon fort gets over burdened, but doesn't collapse (just checked the slides to remind myself). Which is part of showing that the independence isn't actually a purely good one, mass casualties and a withdrawal of NCR aid. And yes, they do appear as anarchists, but they are clearly a successful faction, having lasted this long, maintained their identity and prospered despite the NCR. And don't confuse the group we see as the faction, they have a whole city out west which has the only university in the wasteland. They are, in short, a new type of civilization for the new world.
1. Mr.House/Big MT - House has ambitions to restart technological sectors and even wants to colonize other planets.
2. NCR/Big MT - While the NCR isn’t perfect by any means, the Courier can make quite a difference for its citizens. It’s better than being a slave full time or at the constant threat of thugs from complete independence.
Mr.House and the NCR seem to at least value the choice of its citizens.
I think the NCR is the easier safer choice but I think House has a real plan to restore things using the NCR. He never intended to control the NCR or Legion territories.
If the NCR succeeds, you could get 500 more years of people scraping by in the radiated wasteland, If House succeeds he could restore the wasteland into an actual livable environment and provide humanity a platform to leave from the earth and find new worlds to inhabit
@@emeraldpichu1 House doesn't care about the wasteland, he only cares about Vegas. It's mentioned a few times in game
@@kanival42 you say that like the amount of people left isn’t small enough that you could cram them all in Vegas 100 times over once you do a little bit of economic restructuring
the NCR is the most corrupt faction they also antagonize everyone even the kings
@@emeraldpichu1Overpopulation, rise of unemployment, rise of cost of living, depletion of food and water, inevitable conflicts as a result of different factions living in a compressed area.
Do you think House would even be in favor of cramming everyone in the wasteland in New Vegas?
I saw a documentary that really made Caesar's comment on the tribes "playing at war" make a lot of sense. I believe it was New Guinea, but that's not really important. Two neighboring tribes had an unending blood fued where they'd sneak into each other's lands in search of someone to murder in retaliation for the other tribe doing the exact same thing before. After a body is found the two tribes would meet at a hill separating their land. There the two groups of warriors would gather into two opposing mobs. They'd run towards the other mob, chuck a spear, and run back to their mob. It was like a game of dodgeball but with hundreds of players and throwing spears. During the documentary there were no deaths and not very many injuries. Once the men got tired they'd go home, not to meet for battle again until inevitably a new murder was committed in retaliation for the last.
This really put the quote into perspective. There were no tactics, no long term strategy. It was little more than a game where points are accumulated by killing someone. Not in large numbers, just a kill here and there.
I’m a bit late to the video, but I think y’all would love the fact that’s there’s a cut part of New Vegas where House “surrenders” to the NCR. He allows the Republic to annex Vegas as a new state with the agreement that he can’t be prosecuted for anything before the annexation and becomes sole property owner of the Lucky 38 (and maybe more of Vegas I don’t recall). The NCR takes over the Strip and his securatrons are confined to the Lucky 38. I think you had to blow up his army under The Fort for him to do so, and it was cut pretty early, but you can find restored stuff here on UA-cam
That sounds like the most reasonable ending of all, honestly.
@@simbachvazo6530 I know. I'm sad they got rid of it as I hated killing house
that deserved to be cut it frankly dose not make sense for him to willingly bend on his principals at all
@@ravensflockmate Have you considered he is biding his time? I found a mod that restores it, and one of the lines he yells when you leave the 38 is that "Vegas will rise again!"
@@simbachvazo6530 I prefer no compromise as it makes it way more obvious that he means what he says
I'm starting the game for the first time. I haven't gotten into the factions yet. I do appreciate the breakdows on the structure of each faction.
I'm probably going to pick the NCR myself when i get around to it. I'll probably start the game over a few times as i finish each faction like i did with Fallout 3.
It would go with Mr House as he was a plan for the future, the ability to defend the city of New Vegas, can create contracts with others not just destroy others without cause, does not let his feelings get in the way of his plans.
Especially with him planning to colonize space but I’m not sure, maybe it would end up like in the outer worlds.
@@1IteleportedBread That sounds interesting what do you think a Bos, NCR, Legion, FoA & CoA would be like if they had contracts with House?
@@JRYYD tbh, House see the brotherhood as potential dangerous terrorist
@@JRYYD ncr and house: like now, but vegas become semi-independence (House will let the ncr stay in the Mojave and New vegas because money) and more exchange, both technologically and economically (you can make this contract when you confront general Oliver)
@@icehead192 That is right but what do you think his view would be of the east BoS if they came to New Vegas, make a contract or fight them?
Sad to say I knew the NCR was the only faction that could do the right things to protect the people of the Mojave but one thing really bugged me though:
Why could and independent Vegas work considering some of the alliances you could make along the way?
It just didn't make sense to me. Utilizing Yes Man you would have a solid internal security force that could easily become a military should the threat become dire.
The Boomers had the potential to protect one area, the Great Khans another, and Jacobstown a third. You had 3 groups that could operate on their own but also contribute to the overall safety of the area.
What really bothered me was the failure, at least in my eyes, of Mr. House. All he cared about was that damn chip when, for 200 years, he allowed the area surrounding the Strip to suffer. Freeside could have been a great place but he could care less and the only people to give a crap were the Followers. Two hundred years to try to clean up and rebuild but nope. I just want my super robots. Benny had a point.
Then again, the game was rigged from the start.
The house always wins.
Or maybe, when enough time has passed, and a solid base of trust is built, a Council-type thing could be put together! Two or three from The Boomers, Two or three from the Great Khans, and two or three from Jacobstown, they would have equal say, and could put forth their suggestions and ideas for the future! These could be interchanged, depending on player choice! Ran by a leader, who will try to be fair, BUT, also hopefully have the wisdom to make the hard decisions, then live what comes afterwards, which you have been doing this whole time anyway! Another possible example, bring in the Followers of the Apocalypse (their medical knowledge), the Brotherhood of Steel (military tech) (IF you can unite at least most of them) (and you make most of them quit being xenophobic a-holes), and Mr. House ( his knowledge, and his Securetrons would help). I don't know if this can work in-game, and I am a newcomer to the Fallout franchise, so my ideas may be a little screwy! This is just for fun!
The NCR may protect the Mojave and do the right thing (morally) but they are unstable, can't support their our forces. They almost go bankrupt because of the Mojave campaign, too thinly spread, even the important check point don't have what they need. Can they protect the Mojave? For now, yes. But for the long run, they will face too many problems and the loss outweigh the gain. NCR only the good guys, not a stable one
Why didn't House help freeside? He can't, that's why.
The securitrons he has only enough to protect the strip. He can't rebuild from nothing. He can't establish order in freeside even if he wanted to. House has to struggle for 61 years just to make the lucky 38 and the securitrons function in lowest performance. He has to wait for many years later to find a functional society to build new vegas on. New vegas and House aren't politics, they are businessmen. They have to have the fund, the power to fuel their plans. While he said he rebuilt new vegas, he didn't mean from 200 years ago, but only less than 2 decades ago when the ncr came to the Mojave, when the families discover the strip, when he had his system good enough to be online. Even then, he still can't do much. The chip is the key he need. It wasn't for the robot army, the robot is only a fragment in his plan, it only the army of new vegas. The chip contains the Mk.II OS systems for his entire system, from the securitrons to the lucky 38, from the control of the substation to the hoover dam. With the strip, finally, vegas has its army, its power, its own seat on the power table of the Mojave. After the All or Nothing ending, House finally has the force to fully control and reform freeside, to start his plan. House doesn't want to recreate a government, he want to rebuild new vegas, to continue his process to sent mankind to space. To do so, he will sooner or later rebuild freeside, rebuild the industrial empire he once had. And other will also benefit from it. He maybe an autocrat, an almost heartless person, but he is the only one who want to move forward and rebuild, not just hold then wait-and-see like the ncr or go all the way back like the legion. Morally, I don't agree with him about some of his opinions, but logically, he is the only one who actually can do something for the Mojave, it's going to be a long run and maybe slow, but the results are promising
I remember watching a video about it and one point about yes man was well put. He is programmed to follow every order you do but at the end he decides to update himself without your order. I believe the wildcard ending has yes man still in an update. So if yes man never wakes back up I guess your head cannon for an independent new Vegas rules over. The second an independently updated yes man wakes up, all predetermined notions are out the window. Yes man makes it VERY clear if he disagrees with you even if he can't exactly fight against your orders or decisions so I doubt he will just roll over for you.
I usually go NCR and proud, however am not opposed to house... idk something about I feel he is very competent and actually has a chance to complete his goals. (Which are generally good for the race as a whole) ( *generally* )
I mean clearly I/The courier am clearly the best choice to rule the Mojave 😁
With all the smaller factions idolizing you and following you, resources from Mojave area, big Mt and Sierra Madre the courier could build a strong healthy country
@@tylersoto7465 until he dies and then the Mojave falls into the greatest chaos ever seen.
Intelligence 1
With the mercenaries being sent to Jacobstown by the NCR with full intentions of attacking if not for the Courier, I disagree the NCR is as open minded as claimed. For a freedom loving society they sure love to basically colonize even while they’re resources grow thin and the forcefully conscripted young pile up dead. When a war hero, Hanlon, becomes so disillusioned with the NCR and their handling of the war that he deliberately sabotaged the war efforts to attempt to convince the bureaucrats to put an end to things, that’s just sad. Funny enough that people say the NCR have the best intention for the Mojave when asking the actual native people of the Mojave, they do not agree with sentiments of resentment range wildly. NCR have even been allocating more water to their farms and bases while farmers and people that have lived there their whole lives are getting less water and have to relay on gang run water pumps or ‘stealing’ it from the NCR, that’s laughable stealing the only thieves in that situation is the NCR. Not to mention the amount of corruption that led to gods know how many dead NCR citizens, i.e. Van Graffs and Mclafferty(who else were involved in Crimson Caravan or elsewhere).
Yeah dude they are corrupt indeed thats why I went with House...the Legion is just sick!
People need to realize the separation between the NCR and it's associates
The mercs were sent by a governor who wishes to get rid of the mutants
Just like how every state in the US has a governor with their own beliefs the people in said state have their own beliefs
@@cowbeanboi412 that's the point. The NCR are meant to be a mirror of American society and so reflect the same problems of that system
@@PristianoPenaldoSUIIII yes and those problems were eventually fixed in time
The corruption then doesn't exist now
One thing to consider is that the NCR and it's associated communities fought a couple wars against the super mutants. I wouldn't doubt there is still very raw Hatred & Fear that still persist to lead some of it's leaders to justify wiping out any significant gathering of super mutants.
With regards to the independent ending, I feel like there could be more to go into it, with the potential for it to be a coalition rule. However the end result would involve the small amount covered and what the shown ending would be.
This would almost be a video in itself as this would require a breakdown of the even smaller factions of NV, namely the Vegas gangs, the Followers of the Apocalypse, the Khans. And at the same time, it would require still having the breakdown from the factions in this video as some of them (but not all of them) could theoretically be included (NCR and Legion being obviously mutually exclusive with each other, and House being mutually exclusive with the ending).
It also would have to take into account the Courier themselves, and *this* is a whole mess because that involves a deep dive into what they were doing in the Divide, if they have any leadership skills, and honestly... what sort of courier the player even built (this would likely need to be an abstracted as "what if this high/low", as trying to do every build with stats/skills/perks/karma would be madness).
In the end, this video would be pretty chaotic. Which is fitting, given that even if the courier could be successful, it wouldn't be without chaos, as it involves kicking over the status quo in a big way right when a war was brewing. So good option or bad option, there'd be chaos first regardless.
People really undervalue open trade, innovation, and security. In history, these are the things that made civilizations thrive, and they're all provided by Mr. House.
"The men of the old age realize the time that they had was never theirs
The nuclear age, but a flash in the pan - to kings and lords
The House, Always Wins"
What happened to these civilizations?
The courier literally already built a community, The Divide. Idk why only House is able to bring open trade or innovation to the table.
He literally says he'd be an autocrat. Idk how libertarians think he's cool
@@fulcrumthebrave5715 he's not, but he's really good at it.
@@OhBlivEUn Killed by time and corruption, or simply other equally advanced civilizations. House is immune to such corruptions as he already has all he needs so he can't be bribed, not to mention being a shriveled near corpse in a tube.
For the most part this is a great video. The only reason I say "for the most part" is because you leave out the Courier and Yes Man. Personally, that's my go to. The NCR has proven untrustworthy, in part due to widespread corruption, and they're already spread too thin.
The courier and Yes Man team on the other hand, has the ability to continue the use of their robot army, as well as recruit from the surrounding tribes. They also get the option to have a council leading the Mojave rather than just themselves or even just getting ideas and advice from the Followers. The NCR has too many problems to be considered a worthwhile solution to the Mojave's many problems, House can easily become a dictator, Caesar is already a dictator, Enclave is authoritarian (even if not a direct dictatorship), and the Brotherhood has been weakened too much in the region to be able to hold the Mojave.
The only true solution to the many problems of the waste is to leave the courier in command.
The Courier and Yes Man are the only ones capable of reaching a peaceful solution with the Brotherhood. Since they’re pretty much doomed no matter what, this seems the best possible route for dealing with them in a stable long-term way. The weapons they have stockpiled are of little actual use to them since their numbers are so low, but they could still drastically alter power structures in the area if they ever got out of that bunker. Which is why their fate isn’t actually as inconsequential as you might think at first, I mean nothing ever is in New Vegas.
More so than just deciding the immediate fate of New Vegas, you’re also deciding who will be in the best position to inherit this hoard of advanced technology and weapons. And if the courier is on especially good terms with the Brotherhood, over time this could be very advantageous to the region you govern as well… as Cap would quip, “the safest hands are our own”
Anyone saying Yes Man is the “neutral” ending are only half right. Yes Man is completely neutral, no doubt about it. But by design, the player character is literally the only person in New Vegas who can actually change their morality. YOU decided the morality of the Yes Man ending, not Yes Man.
@@chazblank2717 but there is also a one thing, that chosing Yes Man is a bad option is that the entire state will turn into anarchic state with multiple raiders and high criminal ratings, I know that Courier can do anything, but lack of authority is going to doom the vegas after death of Courier from old age or something like that.
@@kacperaskawski3461 turn into an anarchic state with raiders… I’m sorry, so what’s gonna change exactly when the courier dies of old age? Yes Man is here to sell New Vegas to all buyers…
@@chazblank2717 lack of anyone to control it and who knows what Yes Man will do after death of Courier he is still a machine who is suposed to take orders not to rule on it's own.
The anarchy would become even higher and the machine who doesn't know that there is something between good and bad choices won't stop it even with entire army of securitrons.
@@kacperaskawski3461 good thing all that life extension technology House was using is right there… I don’t know how you play Fallout, but I’m a living god by the end…
I wish the post-game was made fully, so we could coordinate a peace between the NCR & House
Nah vegas ain't big enough for the both of them
@@ravenwhiteduck6460 ncr would win they have the manpower
You can do that in the last conversation of the House ending.
Yeah, I like the idea of the NCR running the Mojave, while House runs New Vegas
Perhaps even while absorbing the Brotherhood of Steel like the rangers, into elite heavy troops
Why would the BoS betray their ideological purpose? NCR is going to continue developing and using tech. Peace treaty is different than actively helping them.
Spoilers;
Its the Republic of Dave.
I hope if there is ever a sequel to new Vegas that Dave will take over hoover damn single handed.
Damn the republic of Dave has seriously become a meme
I agree
The republic of dave is the only faction you should pledge allegiance too
Yes
On my first play through, I had reservations about choosing the NCR, but I felt they were the best choice based on my interactions....so, yeah, I agree.
I reckon a combination between the NCR (society and general military) the Boomers (Air force) and the Brotherhood of Steel (for better equipment and improved military training) and it is possible via the NCR questline
That's my preferred ending as well. With the major forces of the mojave allying with the NCR, the courier can basically take a lesson learned from Ceasar; Making something new from the collective parts of the few.
The NCR has good values mostly, but the corruption and lack of ressources are holding them back. Both of those problems are somewhat solved by allying them with everyone possible. Plus, having the McNamara Brotherhood with Veronica in their business will keep the NCR from fully consuming the Mojave parties.
House is great, but House is too idealistic imo. He doesn't care a damn about the normal people trying to survive, he doesn't care that his three houses he allowed on the strip are basically the worst humanity can offer, he sees an endgoal and that's it. If 5 people and 200 bots make it to a rocket, he's good with that, rest be damned.
you dont want the NCR to be in charge of society
@@bruhgod123 ok
The Courier can't control the wasteland, yet in the game you singlehandedly tame the wasteland to your desires. You can fix every problem in the wasteland. The courier especially if you build them with high intelligence and max key skills like speech and science is absolutely the best choice for the wasteland. Coupled with Arcade Gannon and his enclave knowledge.
Thats just gameplay mate. The same courier can have the same ending with either 1 intelligence or 10 intelligence. These are just gameplay limitations and can't be quantified into actual lore.
Would you argue then that the Courier having high enough Repair to fix the Boomers' Solar Panels for free means that enough Repair expertise allows you to generate something from nothing? There is also no Statesmanship skill to level to 100 like the various other skills, so.....
@@alpacalover0 He's Judging It From The Political Aspects The Courier Could Take Especially If They Are A Messiah Type Character They Could Easily Create A Solid Political Bloc Against The NCR And Legion
Wisefish: There is one fact that everyone knows
Me: War, war never......
Wisefish: The house always wins
Me:.....oh yeah that too
A slight caveat for the NCR that was neglected, they're also as corrupt as the Old Word Government and are heavily influenced by the Mob and Brahman Barrons.
It's kinda a theme of the series that people are terrible and keep making the same mistakes.
No faction is wholely "Good", as there are always people looking to take advantage of and harm others.
A slight caveat for the Legion that was neglected, they're also as short-sighted and heavily reliant on a single man's grand vision as the actual Roman Empire and would not be sustainable in the long term due to this, even if Caesar was able to live a full life. I find it intriguing that you can kill Caesar and effectively doom the Legion in the long run so easily. I do like the Legion, but they are the obvious villains of the story and would be the worst.
the NCR is regardless overwhelmingly better than all alternatives, even with its bureaucratic flaws
@@floo1465 ncr is the worst. caesar is better then ncr, and i rate caesar low
@@waltermalone216 The (Western) Roman Empire existed for 420 years (lol) roughly, if we date the foundation to the Battle of Actium (27 B.C or thereabouts) and the fall of Rome to the Barbarians (465 A.D). Their customs and laws continued to exist until 1453 with the fall of Constantinople. Perhaps they had a lot of turbulence on the way there, but the Roman Empire isn't "One man's great vision" it was a collective vision amongst many great men. Besides Octavian and Julius, you had Trajan, Hadrian, Antinous Pius, Marcus Aurelius, and later, Constantine, Theodosius and Justinian.
@@theta_clips ave
I like most of this video, but something that really bothers me when people talk about this game is how Mr house destroys the brotherhood of steel because "they are ridiculous*
That's the reason why he doesn't like them, but the reasons why he wants to kill them it's because they would try to attack him because of his technology, he says so himself, and if you talk to people from the brotherhood they do want to attack him.
And they also destroy his roaming seguritrons
Technology
@@jinxmann1867 mmm? What do you mean?
The real reason why is cause in play testing they thought too many people would sign up with house if you could talk him out of it. It's still in the files.
@@TheJewishAzovMember isn't kind of the point of the game to make all factions flawed? House being unwilling to negotiate, or considering them unable to see any further is part of his character, and it makes the game richer. Ideal endings make the game boring
@@staringgasmask There are more things wrongs with House's ending than not being able to side with the brotherhood. Personally, I agree that they should be removed from the wasteland. And while I would pick House everytime, there are some things that I find about his ending worrying or flawed. Still, fuck the brotherhood.
I just bought this game yesterday and started playing a bit today. Never got around to playing these games when they first came out as I couldn't get the consoles but now I am able to play I'm excited to see the difference between fallout 3 and fallout Vegas.
Mr House said that he had plans to expand into other planets in I think a century or two. That requires more infrastructure than what's available in the Mojave, so once it was his after the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, he'd most likely expand further.
And here we have people assuming he doesn't even leave the Strip at all...
Even just the basics wouldn't work: Las Vegas is not a good location for a launchpad.
i always assumed Mr. House's plan was along the lines of good intentions but a bit far stretched.
I prefer the ending where the courier ends up as Father Elijah's goon, and wipe out the entire Mojave.. Tunnelers are spreading into the Mojave from the Divide, and having an invincible army of holograms could perhaps keep them at bay.
Wipe the slate clean
@@MutantMasterRace for the NCR
@@samfire3067 no for the legion
Sounds just like dust
About the Brotherhood of Steel negatives, every positive and negative is actually personified in FO76 which is kinda crazy to say. Ramani, and Shin are both sides of the Brotherhood and it's interesting to see it in real time because in most FO games you only get one side of the leadership, then a follower to give you exposition exact example would be Veronica or would need to find terminals etc. But I think what's genuinely wrong with the Brotherhood is personified in Elijah and Maxis, where those in power/leadership are just insane through and through; yet those who actually have common sense are shunned or "Should be relieved because they do not follow the elders orders".
If you haven't tried doing the FO76 campaign around the BoS you should, while it's not nearly as in depth as other games, it really hammers it into you in a short amount of time both sides of that type of leadership. Which I found pretty awesome, granted that final boss fight can go to hell lol
In regards to Legion:
A lot of people forget what Cesar talks about, specifically what happens after NCR is defeated and he rules the west. He believes that a synthesis will occur, converting the Legion from a band of warriors to an military dictatorship giving civilization to the wasteland. A lot of the theories about Legion devouring itself are based on the belief that this synthesis will occur. Obviously if you don't believe that will happen then Legion is wrong, but if you understand what Cesar is saying you can understand he is not as shortsighted as other factions claim.
Ceasar won't be alive to even conquer anything besides hoover dam
@Jon Doe exactly, people complain about the legion doing that, but in many cases it's a choice between supporting slavery and having your family raped and killed in front of you by a raider
@Jon Doe Which version of the Rome playbook are you talking about? The reasons for Rome's success were less to do with its military and capability but with its ability to adapt to its situation. It can change policies on a dime to best fit the needs it faced. When it got too large it could not manage its territory, it stopped and focus on the territory it could control. When it need to give freedoms and liberty to survive, it did so to stabilize the government. It also took centuries to grow in size, not in rapid succession it has to control with brute force.
Ceaser failed to realize this and tried to recreate the conquering empire that got too big before it collapse and set up an environment where only the strong rule. When you build a government that depends on an iron fist, there will be infighting the moment the leader dies.
@Jon Doe Well said
The way they force women into slavery or making babies means they have no redeeming qualities.
We all know that Based Elijah killing everything is the best and canon ending.
Touch grass
Time to begin again
Wipe the Slate clean!
@@Chosen_Ash its not that deep g
@@Chosen_Ash says the Enclave fan
The NCR would impede progress. “If you want to see the fate of democracy’s look out the window’”. As I would put it.
I think it is fair to say that for mr. house what we have seen doesn't mean that he will be like that in the future, i mean in the good karma ending the curier makes mr house more agreable, that means that with time the courier could make him come to view the rest of the wasteland as worth his time, and treat other factions better, also since he was willing to work with benny and now the courier so closely and even influence events, it could mean that a goverment where house is the true leader but he has either a human partner to keep him in check could form, either that or in the future mr house could make the courier alive like him, then there would be a someone that can lead and has the ambition to make humanity great again, and someone that can keep the people happy and interact with other factions.
Honestly mr house is the only one who made sense for me cause both the legion and NCR both rely on conquest and territorial gain while he relies on technology. Like no one can bribe or influence him and despite him being an evil tyrant I’m siding with him
House isn’t even evil. Ruthless yes but that can be look at as any businessman today ruthless in their gains.
@@ryanmceldowney2428 too right mate
If the NCR needs to clean up their act they are a great faction tis such a shame that is a big if
NCR soldier: "hey, you shouldn't go into that town right now. Theres escaped convicts and gang members in there."
Me: "why aren't you helping the townsfolk? The gangmembers have tire irons"
NCR soldier: *leans on his mound of advance weaponry* we dont have the support nor the arms to deal with them. But remember, pay us your taxes!"
This is why the NCR is more evil then the legion and House is the best option.
@@dugonman8360 the NCR is stupidly overstretched due to their commander trying to out muscle the legion at the damn rather than out think them like the rangers did, so any NCR forces away from their strong areas are more exposed to the guerrilla tactics of the legion agents like Vulpes
You make an interesting point starting 20:30-ish, in that the Legion is essentially like a bunch of 40K Orks only held together by a wily strongman. I'd never thought of what the Legion might do if it won, but your suggestion that they would self-destruct from infighting (especially after their leader dies) makes a lot of sense.
I've only ever sided with House or the NCR. Time to roll a new character and try siding with the Enclave or Brotherhood!
KAISA' IS KUNNIN' BUT BRUTAL!!
I've always thought that the ideal ending is: Mr. House runs the strip. The NCR runs the Mojave.
Mr. House is limited on the area that he can control via Securitrons, which is why he couldn't prevent the courier from getting shot. Even with the extra units and combat system upgrades, the range that he can control them is never really brought up, so that's assuming it's a limitation he just has to accept. He may expand into the greater Vega's area's (westside, freeside, north vegas) but beyond that, it's a grey area. Vegas seems to be all he is interested in anyway.
Mr. House has the courier work for the NCR, they are his best customers. Even if they are under his thumb when it comes to hoover dam, it's good for business to keep customers content, that means taking their wants and needs into consideration.
The NCR will continue to expand, taking more and more citizens under it's protection, with an alliance with Mr. House that becomes easier and it's citizens safer. So, even losing the dam to Mr. House, it's a long term gain for the NCR. Mr. House has the know-how, the technology, and the means to manufacture robotics, weapons, auto-docs, and technologies for food, water, and chem production, which he will happily sell to the NCR. This creates new facilities that need bodies to operate them, creating jobs for NCR citizens.
National debt, industrial military complex, and people pouring money into self destructive personal vices.
Even after 200 years and a nuclear holocaust, America hasn't changed much.
Humanity hasn't changed much.
The problem is the NCR and pretty much every other faction forces you to kill house. Only the House Always Wins ending has House alive. I hated killing him in New Vegas because I think hes the best choice for the wasteland. Too bad NCR would never allow it...
Elijah and the courier. Begin, again.
Wipe the slate clean make the Mojave like it was meant to be
@@shakeem444 *The Cloud People Liked That*
Caesar is referred to in both vocalizations (K-eye-zar) (Sea-sir), in one of the loading screens you can see the inscription "Toss me a salad, Caesar!", Which can only be considered a reference to a Caesar salad. NCR militants will refer to him/his legion as either or, so in all reality this is a matter of choice.
Caesar as Kaiser is more Germanic. Sea sir is more English and souns imo not that good. In Latin Caesar sounds very different
House is a great man, but what he asks for is short of becoming a god, he needs to be hold to a greater standard than the others, just being "better than the NCR" doesn't cut it.
As for the NCR, they have a decent fundation but rapid expansion has made of them a twisted and vulnerable structure, even if the Courier's INV proyect fails, giving them a few decades to fix their own problems back at home will be better for them than access to the Mojave, and idealy they would stay there. Which brings me to why I support the idea of an INV, I think the best way to rebuilt is from the ground up, with at least at first, local governments on a scale comprehensible to it's citizens. Tho of course the wish fulfillment goal would be for the tribes and settlements of areas to unite under states like in the Mojave or NCR and then those states to eventually for the Union back again.
About your Ceaser/Kaiser comment (how it’s pronounced) you’re partially right. If you notice, people who are NCR loyal or independent say “Ceaser” and people who are loyal or aligned with the legion say “Kaiser” so it’s actually a subtle piece of world building that allows you to figure out someone’s loyalty from how they speak. So... yea you might hate these comments but you aren’t 100% correct telling people to shut up about it.
So a spy gets ratted out by saying "Ceasar" like the three finger scene from Inglorious Basterds lol
the mutant who greets you at Jacobstown pronounces it kaesar, yet there's no indication or evidence of him supporting the legion. might not be a solid theory
@@R.O.U.S Well, Marcus is pretty much a neutral party here, so he might just be saying it the proper way.
@@R.O.U.S Marcus is supposed to be a smart character, that means reading old books, and figuring the name would be “kaisar”
@@haengeltheknight1212 i was addressing the original comment which has nothing to do with marcus' intellect
I'm sorry, it's just so much more fun to think, "Hail Salad!" 🤣🤣🤣
The Geckos were the only faction worth supporting. They were adorable. All the human groups were pretty terrible.
Just do a kill everyone run and give back the vegas lands to the geckos.
only acceptable answer. of course there would be the constant gecko infighting, with the fire and golden geckos constantly at each other's throats while the green geckos kinda just vibe on their own in Zion
I'd like to think that if you chose to side with Mr. House then the outer worlds is a sequel to new Vegas or the outcome to him building and expanding.
It does seem like the kind of corporate dystopia he'd no doubt create.
i really like that idea, he does mention planning to go to the stars and be free of the problems of the old world
BEST ENDING for me was giving the Enclave Veterans their last hurrah and then double-crossing the NCR and keeping all of NV and the Dam for myself... and there I would help the Enclave rise again while also allying with the Brotherhood of Steel. After a stability period, push west to liberate the people from the clutches of the NCR once and for all.
technically, yes Caesar is pronounced that way in latin, and it is used like that in the game... by *some* npcs. NPCs in NV use both pronunciations, and in general those who support the legion pronounce it with a k sound, and those who hate the legion use an s sound.
So what you're saying is... the profligate masses are wrong. I agree.
I think the most compelling argument against House, is the fact that, because he is just one person, he can't conceivably govern every single person or event in the Mojave. We already know from the base game that there are huge gaps to his knowledge. He didn't know the White Glove Society were becoming cannibals. He didn't know about Yes Man. He didn't know about Benny's plans. He didn't even know about the Omerta's plot with Caesar. And the families are literally across the Lucky 38. So while Caesar has his Centurions and Veterans to oversee the towns and tribes he conquered. And NCR has it's bureaucrats, politicians, and local governments. House has no one but himself and the backstabbing casino families he's isolated from. There's a reason the nickname for House is "Not-At-Home".
I think I remember dialogue in-game where he actually knew about omertahs and Benny, the white gloves being cannibals were something he knew they used to be but thought he had beaten out of em
House actually knew about Benny's plans
He knew about their plans Onertss and Benny but couldn't do shit because Benny held the Chip and him by the balls. House is basically people beliefs in corporations but personified. NCR is Current America. Independent Vegas and NCR are the most realistic to me.
"Maybe have a look in the mirror or touch some grass"
That line made me burst out laughing because I first watched this video while sitting on the grass in my yard.
Elijah is the house of technology, patient, cunning, capable of risking it all in the name of greed
Looking at House's tech, if you go with House [Who I think is the best choice], the player pretty much is his 2nd in command. With the tech House has or could get, it could be possible for 6 to grt the Kellogg treatment and live way longer then he should, maybe hundreds of years. This could in theory keep Vegas much more stable then the NCR ever could.
If you want a stagnant nation led by an out-of-touch leader who has no understanding of the real problems of his nation or how to solve them, this is an excellent idea.
Just look at how many problems arise in the real world because of the average age of politicians and leaders, and how they are still thinking in terms of the world they grew up in instead of adapting to and understanding the way the world has changed since then. Imagine a nation ruled by a man born in the 1600's, with all the ideals and misunderstandings of his time, and his second in command who was born in the 1800's. That's exactly what you're suggesting.
Your Mr House lore is wrong. He doesn't want to rebuild society on earth. He literally says that he knows the earth is done and he wants to transport humanity to another planet
What made this game great is that there is no good/bad choice. Each faction has its pros and cons.
I can’t pick NCR ironically for the same reason I can’t pick Legion: they are a dictatorship. It’s like what Benny said at the Fort: the NCR’s crimes are committed under the guise of exercising the law. People who want to join the NCR, great. But forcefully annexing entire populations and enforcing mass conscription is a fantastic way to have a civil war. How is that any different than Legion slaves forced to fight after being brainwashed to believe that Caesar did them a service? It’s even reminiscent of Three Dog’s description of raiders on his radio broadcast. That’s saying nothing about their absolute incompetence and inability to stabilize the region without courier intervention. Act Man said it best: each faction talks crap about the others, “and the funny thing is, they’re not wrong. But they are wrong about themselves.”
Independent is the best choice for principle. Yes Man might be… cheerfully antagonistic at the end, to put it mildly, but the developers specifically said that he wasn’t booting the Courier out and governing by himself. Depending on the choices made by the Courier, a treaty could be signed by the Families and the local communities after some time, and in times of conflict these communities could form a confederation to defend their land, kinda like the Iroquois Confederacy. The nice thing about this option is that it’s flexible: you aren’t signing a contract for good or ill with a faction that you’ll be stuck with ad infinitum who will force you to fight for a foreign land, and you aren’t stuck with one man with unchecked powers.
Everyone saying Yes Man is the “neutral” ending are only half right. Yes Man is 100% completely neutral, no doubt about it. But the player character is literally the only person in New Vegas who can actually change their morality for better or for worse.
Whether they’re Good, Bad or heinously Evil, by design everyone else in the game is just as robotically scripted as Yes Man himself. YOU decide the morality of the Yes Man ending, not Yes Man… which just can’t be said about the other endings.
How you played the game for hours leading up to the ending tells a more complex narrative than the robotically scripted narration by Ron Perlman ever could.
Also more specifically, the Courier and Yes Man are the only ones capable of reaching a peaceful solution with the Brotherhood, in about as weak a position as we’ve ever seen them. Since they’re pretty much doomed no matter what, this seems the best possible route for dealing with them in a stable long-term way.
While the weapons they have stockpiled are of little actual use to themselves (or you in your siege of Hoover Dam) since their numbers are so low, they could still drastically alter power structures in the area if they ever got out of that bunker. Which is why their fate isn’t actually as inconsequential as you might think at first, I mean nothing ever is in New Vegas.
More so than just deciding the immediate fate of who controls New Vegas, you’re also deciding who will be in the best position to inherit this hoard of advanced technology and weapons when the Brotherhood of Steel does finally die off. Convincing them to help you might not ultimately matter to the fight if you’re a living god. But having them join that fight really just expedites the process of them dying off, while forming bonds of camaraderie with the survivors in the process.
Obviously the best choice would be to turn the wasteland over to the Kings.
But since the game doesn't allow it, all I have to say is "Ave, true to Caesar."
I really hope that we get a fallout game where your character has ties to the Enclave I think that would be one of the most interesting fallout games ever, or your character was a former member of the brotherhood of steel chapter in Detroit that went dark.
I hope fallout 5 has every faction, like a massive fight between the BoS allying with the west and Midwest, the NCR from California, the legion, all the left over enclave and some misc factions like raiders. It's like FNV where there's like 59 factions that all want to kill each other
@@MrMadre Id kind of like if they had a territory system where all the factions could take over or lose settlements and they end up being run differently depending on whos holding it
I've recently taken to the idea of the Courier being governor of New Vegas, but answering to the NCR. The NCR would need the securitrons to effectively defeat and push back the Legion. But having the Courier - who has travelled the Mojave extensively - to advocate for both the people of Vegas and those living in surrounding communities, would prevent the NCR from being too oppressive. New Vegas would never truly be conquered by the NCR, but the leader would always have to answer to them (decreasing the likelihood of a despot abusing their authority).
you could argue that after house death, the NCR after the battle of hoover dam would then look at the securitrons as weapon to defeat legion and/or help patrolling the newly secured mojave.
The NCR do use robot as there was suppose to be a sentry bot defending Camp McCarran
@@spookyengie735 Exactly why the Courier would need to have authority over them. Otherwise the NCR would take advantage of all the weapons in the Mojave; Archimedes II, the toxic cloud, the holograms, Big MT, if any one faction got control over these they would conquer the wasteland. The Courier's job would be mostly to protect them.
@@spookyengie735 If you get the Brotherhood to cooperate with the NCR then they'll actually perform a similar task to what you mention. They help patrol the Highway 12 area and would aid in large battles in exchange for technological access and greater security
@@sulley3370 Last guy who had that job you are describing was mr. House. Remind me what did the NCR do once they found a single weakness? In your fanfic the courier would get stabbed in the back first chance, and that's ignoring the fact that you won't be able to boss around Yes man after he upgrades. At best independent would keep the status quo.
House promises a future for humanity in the stars, I won't turn that down
There is no best faction. Like modern governing bodies, an amalgamation of all is best; nation-building and social engineering is a delicate situational balancing act.
Another testament to Obsidian's excellent story design.
No no there definitely is a best faction
Mr. House gets my Vote
I believe in him he's not Perfect but seriously the other Factions aren't perfect either
The Legion.
I always remember the midweastern brotherhood, they coud use some love
I’ve always thought that House and NCR were the best factions. The Obsidian writing team did such an amazing job with the factions that keeps me coming back to this game. That people are still arguing over who’s the best for the Mojave just shows how great the game is. Great video by the way!
I feel like originally they wanted to make the legion a more appealing faction but in the game they are easily the worst choice
@@playerarmy6890 I think the yes man route could be the worst if you went out of your way to kill everyone that isn't a respawning or essential npc and nuke both the legion and the ncr at the end of lonesome road.
But I agree with your comment. What pro's the legion does have are often hidden and not spoken about. The game tries to paint it like the Mojave is divided when damn near the whole map and game is in ncr territory and everyone universally hates the legion.
Just at the intro but, "move humanity forward" makes me think House Always Wins?
We'll see.
I like your videos about FNV and Fallout in general, would love to see more and more!
House fanboy here. Great video! I think you touch on some great points; however, I don't feel the risk for his "corruption" quite outweighs the contributions he has given (and could continue to give) to humanity. When it comes to the NCR: As you've said at the end, given the choice, an ending in which they might have some influence or control of Outer Vegas and the Wasteland and leave the Strip alone could be preferable. When it comes to the two parties, though, it is the NCR - NOT Mr. House - that are scheming to the detriment of the other. The NCR are the ones that want to supplant a man that saved a city and built it into something with immense potential. They're the conniving factor.
I can't entirely disagree with the point about him being a gambler (even though he does crunch numbers and tactical weight of just about every move he makes). What I can say is that Vegas and the Wasteland have so few chips to offer and so much more to gain with him, it's well worth the risk. And if the unlikely is to happen and he does go full tyrant, I'm sure the Courier still remembers where that interesting little computer terminal is...
The House Always Wins, baby. 🤖
don’t feel like the developers did enough to justify choosing Caesars legion. The have effectively no upside per se. It’s just a choice for people who want a low karma run.