Remember all, this video is about why House is a bad choice, not why he is the worst choice. He very well may be the best choice once we investigate all other factions. Thanks everyone for bringing up the alternative Kings ending where house lets them live (I missed that!). The problem with that ending is that the Kings did not attack the NCR for House. They attacked the NCR because they felt the NCR was encroaching on their territory in Freeside. So, if House interpreted their behavior as loyalty, as it says he does in the ending slide, then all that does is make him wrong. The Kings attack the NCR for their own reasons--NOT because they are loyal to House. The Kings endings show us that House is not content with ruling Vegas; that he can misinterpret the behavior of others (just like anyone else); and that, once he has absolute power, he uses it flippantly. After all, House's rule of Freeside must not be THAT important if there is an entire ending where House is perfectly happy letting the Kings run things there, out of a mistaken perception of loyalty. With the cost of water, we run into a problem with inconsistent in-game valuation. Yes, the base value of purified water is 20 caps, but this is only for the Courier. The devs knew we would amass caps far easier than anyone else in the Mojave (treasure of the Sierra Madre, etc.) So, purified water is 20 caps for us. We have no idea what a real Mojave economy would look like without the influence of the Courier. For example, big Sal is willing to let go of an illicit weapons contract for a measly 250 caps. In-game valuation of goods and services (and especially quest rewards) do not always make sense, because the devs needed to reward us in such a way that we did not get too rich too quick, but rich enough early enough to be able to buy what we need to play the game. If, however, we look at how NPCs treat caps, all dialogue with NPCs surrounding caps treats caps as incredibly valuable. To get a better idea of how valuable caps are, I think we should look at how much NPCs save. When we kill NPCs, we're lucky to walk away with 5 or so caps. In cases where we can explore their homes, we rarely find any savings. When we do, it's in the hundreds. A good example is Nipton's mayor Steyn. He sold out Nipton to the Legion for a promise of 8,000 caps, which he said was enough to allow him to restart his life in California, at the Hub. He went to the nearby pit-stop to leave a stash of supplies, but we don't find many caps. The food we do find stored there can be sold for less than 30 caps. We also find caravaners who are willing to embark on month's-long journeys across multiple states (whereupon they consume countless gallons of purified water) for a few hundred caps (Happy Trails Expedition). So we need to make sure we separate lore from game mechanics. The 20 caps value of purified water is a game mechanic. It is priced for the player, not for NPCs. When we instead look at how the Mojave economy works, we find people who don't carry more than a few caps on them, who can't save more than a few hundred caps, and for whom a few thousand caps is an incredible fortune. From this I think we can say with confidence that House's price for water and electricity, in the lore of the game (ignoring player-focused game-mechanics) is too expensive.
The endgame cutscene calls it "loyalty to New Vegas", not "loyalty to Mr. House". I think Mr. House realizes that The Kings aren't loyal to him but rather to the sovereign state of New Vegas. And that retaliation against NCR imperialism is something House sees as beneficial. Like the Omertas, The Kings can still prove useful to Mr. House even if they aren't truly loyal to him. And I don't think this makes House a bad leader. I think it's safe to say that compromises are fundamental when fighting a war. The NCR had to compromise by holding off the annexation of New Vegas due potential casualties that would leave them open to an attack by the Legion. And in the same way, House had to compromise by syndicating three savage tribes to facilitate the work and defense of New Vegas. Something he wouldn't have done were it not necessary. While I completely disagree with House destroying the Mojave Brotherhood of Steel and The Kings (in the case that they help the NCR), I can't say that they weren't smart and well-calculated decisions.
I thought about the price of water changing from 0 (that the NCR goverment didn't really have to pay for it, just the citizens) to 5 which is a big deal.
If you kill NCR in Kings quests mr house will spare them! Do some Reserch! ua-cam.com/video/GtGriHCFsGQ/v-deo.html I think Mr House is a good choice. He is trying to rebuild world his way! NCR is just rebuilding the world in the pre-war spirit! But i like the Yesman ending more
You made a mistake: there is a peaceful ending between House and the Kings. You need to create conflict between the Kings and the NCR and the ending will reveal they attack the NCR during the battle of Hoover Dam. House sees this as a sign of loyalty and leaves them alone.
But the thing is, if I care about the well-being of Freeside and the Kings, regardless of if I support the NCR or not, I wouldn’t instigate them to become enemies with the largest military in the Wastelands. That’s foolish and a death sentence. The fact House thinks diplomacy and caution would be betrayal is sketchy at best. The big man’s trying to start a dictatorship, and he views the King as a threat. The Followers of the Apocalypse are against the NCR but they don’t go around picking fights they can’t win.
Yeah I mean seriously, look at Fallout 4. They tried, and failed, to recreate this games choices but you can clearly see who the best is (and I know I'll be crucified for this) and it's the Minutemen. It's clear to me, at least.
Dancing Deity Yes but it's limited to "The brotherhood aren't all that bad.", "The Minutemen have a flaw or too." And "The railroad mean well." Rather than New Vegas, which has a plethora of reasons for siding with/against each faction.
BezzyDoesTheInternet Oxhorn obviously agrees with you, and so do I. It's like Deacon tells you, look past the bullshit everyone is trying to spoon feed you, and look at what they're DOING. The Institute is kidnapping and murdering people for the sake of their own goals. The Brotherhood is, regrettably, no longer lead by heroes and idealists who want to make the world better. They're governed by strongmen who take what they want under the guise of "protecting" people. The Railroad really only cares about freeing the synths, which, while admirable, is extremely short-sighted and not what's best for everyone. The Minutemen are really the only people rebuilding communities and setting up supply lines and generally protecting people not out of self-interest. In fact depending on the kind of resources you're bringing in each settlement can be entirely self-sufficent. The Minutemen do these things because it's the right thing to do for everyone.
I don't know why we argue, the only moral and the only good choice is the NCR. They're not perfect, but they represent the coming of civilization. House is a useful pawn for the expansion of mankind, but he's a power-tripping evil son of a bitch who needs to be kept on a leash.
House isn’t perfect, but he’s too important and his mind, too valuable to lose. He built robco. He designed your pipboy, the securitrons, all of new vegas defenses. He holds the secrets of life extension and other technologies we can only imagine. And every other faction requires you kill him (even if you just unplug him, his pod is contaminated and he will die), and it’s not worth it. Killing him is like burning down the library of Alexandria. You set the world back a thousand years when you kill house. He is the single most important man in the Mojave.
When i was a teenager playing this game, i tested and played through all possibe faction endings for completions sake (sided with NCR first, then house, then independent, then Caesar - i actually remember fighting with the legion against rangers in riot armor inside the dam was the best fun I had with new vegas) but when i replayed this game as an adult with a more developed sense of a personal ideology if you will, I can't bring myself not to side WITH House. He IS the most important man in the wasteland for me and I still believe he would redeem the human race from the nuclear aftermath of what the old world had wrought. Giving the power to the NCR would only help the wasteland by much, ensuring that wealthy 1%ers and politicians ensure their power of living a selfish and comfortable lifestyle - basically real life 21st century capitalism. Not really a bad thing, a good thing actually because it brings stability and an established economy and free market - its a really good thing for the average person actually but eventually, everyone is still going to be divided by income humanity will again grow to be strong enough to reach the next nuclear again when America under NCR control decide to wage war on another country (america can't be the only country that survived the great war, sooner or later we'll find out) NCR capitalism will at best progress humanity to the point of another nuclear war as we humans never really changed and 'war never changes' With caesars legion, it can really only function as long as caesar is still alive which we all know and after the death of caesar, the legion will crumble through infighting and whatever land they hold will be divided up with their own leaders - essentially becoming raider tribes once again - but this time, raiders with a history of slaving women so obviously not good for the human race at all. The courier is right that the size of NCR would be the legions weakness - they can only keep their homogeneity within a small land, their slaving militaristic society would not allow it. Ancient Sparta itself had this excact problem barring the sexism, they can't expand and sustain their economy because they rely on their slaves because the men only knows how to fight. Leaving the mojave to House though, now thats were humanity will regain its strength and surpass it! With all of New Vegas under House's sole property and the acquisition of Hoover Dam, the strip will be made orderly, securitrons ensure that crime is effectively reduced to zero, Freeside no longer housing murdering thugs attacking visitors left and right, and with the monorail fully functioning again, people will flock to new vegas to ensure their safety and their future. Imagine not just three casinos, but maybe even ten, imagine restoring Las Vegas to its former glory! New Vegas will be a beacon, proof that the human race has risen above the ruins of the great war and overshadow it. The NCR will no longer be able to annex Vegas, but their people won't help but be enamored and pine for the security and growth New Vegas offers. Their people will come in droves, and the money will come pouring back in, and it will only be the start. And who else would look after the Mojave to ensure that this dream come true? Why the courier of course. The courier is the safeguard to keep House in line. House may say and even believe that the courier works for him, but the reality is the House is working FOR the courier. The courier knows how simple it is to actually kill House - he just didnt do it. And Yes Man is still alive. If House turns into a maniacal big brother old world blues dr mobius type, the courier can kill him or ensure that somebody can long after their death, if that unlikely event even remotely happens. brain rot wont affect him as he is flesh and bone and not a suspended brain ina tank. Humanity will progress, and the courier would ensure it along with research from Big Mountain to help the wasteland and House if needed. I cannot think of a better ending. And if i have to play top employee to a snarky boss to ensure such a future, then that's fine by me.
All of that is moot considering you have access to all of his data. You're everything House was and more by the end of the game, strictly off of the fact you can walk outside and see the world for yourself and not rely on others to do your dirty work.
@@FaithfulFumoFan23 A true point, but having access to his data and being a technological and potentially immortal visionary interested only in the progress of the human race is another thing. The courier will die eventually as is canon by Old World Blues ending slides if you choose to leave your brain behind in Big MT. That's why for me it's worth keeping House alive.
@@ximitify Yes, but shooting a neutral scouts are not a good message you see? You dont shoot some kingdom scouts because it offends you. Its like declaring a war, and Mr. House, as a man with no heart and use logic, would probably know that there is no talk with them. Considering they shot his MK 1 securitron without even try to communicate, what if they find out about Mr house technology and all of his MK 2 securitron!?
@@richyrich6099 Good thinking. I think each unit of pre war money is about 8 caps? Pre war money items come in stacks though, so it's hard to figure out the exact exchange rate. I'll take a look at the world model later to see if it specifies what types of bills they are.
@@fiddlesticks2814 I was actually just reading. Reddit thread on this not too long ago and, although not accurate due to the barter skill, using a 10 oz gold block from Sierra Madre and lts cost in real world USD should mean that, when translated to caps, 1 cap should equal $0.67 USD, meaning that the cap is worth more than the dollar. Problem with this calculation though is that your barter skill can change the value of the gold blocks as sold and despite having 10 oz written on them, each gold block is actually 35 lbs. So... the calculation could very well be wrong.
"It's not a matter of "who owned it first"... but a matter of who can afford permanence now. I own this land now-and I'd like to avoide the circumstances that favored my ownership of the settlement. Mostly, for your own sake." - Louise Delacroix, Operator, sole survivor and notorious land lord of the Commonwealth, to someone coming from far away...
@@krashface4870 I like your thoughts. In China there was a saying (from Mencius I think) about who should take the throne and the land: The land belongs to people, not an individual and should be ruled by the virtuous
I think the reason for keeping the Omertas in such a high position was so House could keep an eye on them easier; the best phrase to use for this would be “keep your friends close, and your enemies closer”.
@@MrJethrohaWhat better way to ingratiate people than to offer them power, as House did for the Omertas? Plus House empowered two other tribes (Chairmen and White Gloves), who would be distrustful of each other, and who would be able to observe what happens if the Omertas betrayed House, thus being incentivized to support him. House keeping his enemies close in this regard was in fact brilliant.
@@se7enthedge382 Common cause of the member of your court but the court is divided focused on each others political intrigue instead of the Absolute monarch/autocrat! Hose is brilliant but impatient especially to the Bos. Mind have you ever known a gambling man to be patient or wise? House is the best of bad choices as yes man, NCR are legion are worse for many reasons!
@@arnijulian6241you know the NCR is the ONLY faction who has a functional judicial system right? The NCR is going through a rough patch, but equating it to the legion? No way Jose
I understand what you're trying to say and I understand what the original video is trying to say also... its hard to really take anything rationally into scale in the Fallout world. Cause I pay $1.36 per cubic foot of tap water where I live in the summer. A cubic foot is roughly 7.5 gallons (960 ounces) . At the same time I can go to the super market and buy a 2.5 gallons (320 ounces) of water for $4, or a single gallon for $2. I can go buy an individual 17 ounce bottle of water for $2 at a restaurant or convenient store. As you can see 5 caps per gallon may seem cheap when what I assume are probably 8 ounce water bottles costing 20 caps each. But you have to remember when you are a utility seller, usually you should have a way lower upfront cost than a retailer who has to source the product from multiple different distributors. Sure the random bars or merchants on the street are selling you a tiny bottle of water for 20 caps... but it doesn't mean 5 caps per gallon is good for the NCR considering the fact that they are buying directly from Mr House and buying in large bulk.
@@fumarc4501 If the ncr bottled and sold the water for 20 caps a pop, 5 caps/gal sold at 1.2 caps/ounce should more than cover post-apocalyptic overhead at 2600% flip.
Bottlecaps are considered a "circumstantial currency". You can't really make an exchange rate because it's purely based of the circumstance, not the goods being sold.
Not only that, but if it were "1 cap = 1 dollar" the would have the equivalent of cents, which doesn't I'm guessing that even if we force an exchange rate it's 1 cap = 10 cents
@@leonardo9259 the gold bars in the Sierra madre are estimated to be about 510 ounces. Each sells for 10,547 caps. A gold bar of that size today would go for about 919,163 usd, meaning that each bottle cap is worth about 87 dollars
There's a mod which restores the ability to spare the BoS as was originally intended for FNV. You have to be at least accepted by the BoS and then you have to pass a pretty high speech check with House in order to convince him to spare them. All of the dialogue is there and voiced, it was just not included for whatever reason in the final product.
@Lord Barometer The option to spare the BoS, I believe, only happens if McNamara is still in charge. I don't have a computer though, and even if I did, I'd be too far in the depths of Utah or Denver to give you an exact answer. It Is possible as an outcome though - if the Courier is involved and you play your cards right.
I heard it was done because it would make House too popular of a choice and I believe you need to be a member of the BOS to get the option with the mod on. Regardless the dialogue basically has the Courier influencing the BOS to withdraw even more than before and agreeing that if they ever really become a threat to House that the Courier would deal with them personally. Judging how this chapter of the BOS refuses to change, they won't really ever be a threat for the army of MK II securitrons let alone the Courier.
To be honest, why wouldn't House completely wipe them off the face of Vegas? I think Obsidian removing that option is completely reasonable. Having BoS in your backyard is no different from planing a bomb in your pants? BoS is going to stab House in the back because of how many technology House has. Don't forget that the BoS are all and all technology hoarders.
As others wrote, House did try to negotiate with the BoS. But what people often forget is that the Fallout 3 BoS was an anomaly. The mainstream BoS are xenophobic hostile technology hoarders who are unwilling to change or cooperate. They are not "good guys". Maybe they were back when the original general Maxson (who founded the BoS) was alive and in charge, but not by the time of Fallout NV. Overall, House is the best option for me. Sure, the guy is an arrogant autocrat with a massive ego. But he is reasonable. His methods work. The proof is evident in New Vegas' existence. In fact, as he himself explained, a lot more would have survived, had the platinum chip arrived in time. The man has the intellectual capacity, determination, and business acumen to actually reinvigorate a technological civilization. I also like to think that the Courier, with all of his/her resourcefulness, gathers enough influence to soften House up to be more open to a softer rule. House didn't see all of these factions, their problems, their goals; the Courier did. If I were House, I'd listen to the Courier, given how much he/she has achieved, and how skilled he/she is. To contrast it, look at the other options. NCR are spread too thin and need a similarly civilized neighbouring region to keep them in check (they were showing signs of delusions of grandeur), Caesar's Legion would be a further regression away from civilization (and without Caesar it would anyway devolve into barbaric tribes bickering among themselves and eventually fall apart), the Yes Man would be an unstable rule (the Courier's no ruler).
Honestly, if the courier are just normal courier. No quest, not helping any faction, just doing what a courier do. Mr house will be the one that is most likely to win the hoover dam battle, Benny will be caught sooner or later.
@@WhatsAfterThisPlace The courier is one man/woman. No man rules alone. With Yes Man unable to assist with logistics (due to shutting himself down for reprogramming), it would be impossible for the Courier to coordinate all of the tasks necessary to rule over a city by himself. He/she would have to delegate most affairs of state to his underlings in New Vegas, and if there's one thing we know for certain about the Courier, it's that he/she hates working through others. The Courier wants to take a personal role in everything that happens in New Vegas, and rarely trusts anyone else to do what needs to be done. This tells me that the Courier would have little patience for setting up a power structure, coordinating affairs of state with his lieutenants, or sitting in an office doing paperwork and awaiting updates from his agents. When there's a problem, he'd always rather go there and solve it himself than send someone else to do it. Which is a very poor quality for the leader of such a large community to have.
yep. the legion is in it's last days with caesar on his deathbed. no one else in the legion is fit for rule. the NCR can't protect new vegas. they have a hard time patrolling the lands they already own, much less adding a large region like the mojave. yes man is way too unstable. even as cruel as some of house's methods may be, he's still the only person in new vegas able to comprehend everything around him and manage it at the same time. he will bring humanity around to it's former glory, kicking and screaming if need be. let's face it. the post fallout 2 world is devoid of people who can lead on house's level. that's why everything is still small factions.
@@dragonslair951167 The Courier can always hire other people (Joshua Graham, the Think Tank, Chief Hanlon, Arcade Gannon, the Boomers, the Enclave Remnants) to help them rule Vegas.
we can't really get the exact price of water since the supply isn't the same as we have today but the cap value based on the gold standard would be about 50 times higher than a moddern dollar since we know that a gold bar from the siera madre has a value of 10600ish while a real gold bar is 512000 dollars but the price of 5 caps for a gallon is pretty high since most people in the universe are really poor, it is usually a few individuals, large organizations and the protagonists are rich enough to pay such prices.
yea but that isn't really a good comparison because the dollar lost its value because it is too burnt and when selling pre war money it is always in bunches rather than 1 dollar for five caps
@@thewitheringproduction1761 ok but why would gold be the same price in a wasteland? sure it can be minted into currency, which is why it has any value at all, but it wouldn't be remotely as valuable. the supply would be high (less people, tons of prewar gold reserves, old scrap electronics) and the demand is low (inability to make electronics with it which is its main use, the lack of expendable income for the average person meaning a lack of luxery and by extension gold purchases.), meaning the price would also be very low.
they're way better at building interesting worlds but hey! if I ever want to play a game that loves shoving the same damn song down your throat a bajillion times a day *looks at Johnny Guitar* and if I enjoy looking at orange everywhere I go then whoopee, NV has me covered
GenericUsername you’re just looking at Johnny guitar because it’s the only one you notice. NV is set in a desert, so it’s got a desert look throughout the map. Bethesda’s fallout 4 has a map that looks good I guess? But the minutemen are stupid with their approach, the railroad and BoS are stupid and close-minded with their approach, and every ending except the institute is exactly the same. You can’t be in the railroad and treaty with the BoS, not because the railroad wouldn’t want to, but because you’re undercover in the institute and you don’t even get the option to tell the BoS you’re not actually the enemy. By the way, not EVERY companion needs to be bi, it just doesn’t make sense statistically. How about the DLC almost all having connections with the world in NV, with the characters in each DLC being referenced in great lengths in the base game before either appearing in the DLC or having already been there (BM). Fallout 4’s and many of 3’s come out of basically nowhere, with no preconceived tie-ins with the actual game. “They’re way better at building interesting worlds but hey!” I mean it’d be nice if you brought up a point other than “city game is city, desert game look like desert”
So this year I finally replaced New Vegas, and I chose House once again. I definitely don’t think he’s a perfect choice, but I love him, he’s such a cool character. I think he is genuinely the coolest character in Fallout ever, and I was completely sold on my original play through when he said he could have people in space without 50 years. I feel like a lot of the points about him not having claims to the land aren’t really so true when you consider the context, if he didn’t destroy the 68 of the 77 nukes targeting the Mojave, it might’ve ended up in a similar situation to the Capital Wasteland. When you consider that so few nukes hit the Mojave, it makes the lack of radiation in this game make a lot more sense.
I got a degree in political science, and pragmatically speaking, forward thinking autocrats do better at creating democracy out of anarchy than if you just jump straight to democracy out of anarchy. You need a strong, cohesive foundation to build a liberal democracy out of. That's why so many of the successful democracies in Europe were originally kingdoms with strong institutions. The United States is the exception that proves the rule, as its framework for law and order was built out of the English system that had been slowly liberalizing for centuries since the Magna Carta. As such, I think House, claims to New Vegas or not, will do the most to push humanity forward. When his biogel stops working and his body starts to fail, hopefully he'll be wise enough to have built institutions to replace him. Which he appears to be.
I think your best point is his poor judge of character. He trusted the Omerta's, and they betrayed him. He trusted Benny, and he betrayed him. He trusted you, and 3/4 endings you betray him. He couldn't trust the BoS, when McNamara would be very willing to cooperate. And worst of all... he trusts himself. He trusts in 'My judgement'. When he clearly has a track record of having an awful judgement. Political savvy and business orientated as he is, he's a terrible diplomat.
+Memebyerin That's what endears his character. In his time he would be the most powerful man alive. But now he's like the wise (prewar) grandfather that occasionally relies on your help from time to time.
He suspects the Omertas and has you investigate them He didn't trust Benny but thought he could be controlled by incentives The Courier is depends on the individual however he doesn't trust the Courier and tries to control him/her using incentives. He has never heard or spoken with McNamara and long term neutrality is unsustainable because of the BoS' beliefs He managed to create one of the most profitable companies in the world (prior to the war) with barely anything, predict the war and protect the Strip. It's logical for him to trust himself when he sees everything else turn to shit. Doesn't make it right or wrong but I thought I'd point it out.
McNamara would never cooperate with House. Yes Man even warns you that it was a bad decision to ignore the Brotherhood if you don't destroy them because they would never allow someone to control an army of robots.
sad, i just found that out, Rene Auberjonois, Died Dec 9 2019 his two biggest roles were as Robert House in Fallout NV and Odo the Changeling in Star Trek Deep Space Nine, least as far as i know of his roles.
@@UltimateGamerCC He was also: Karl Schäfer, Father John Patrick "Dago Red" Mulcahy, Colonel West, Inspector Keller, Professor William Tewksbury, Professor William Tewksbury, Chef Louis, Dr. Nogood, Steppenwolf, Talos, Pepé Le Pew, and more.
18:00 He's not gambling. He's using incentives and deincentives like any businessman. But who can predict someone playing a game where no matter what they do no actual consequence can come to their actual selves. They can die in game but they can always reload, and money just becomes useless after they have the best gear. Mr.House's response only works for a real person living in that world. You're a player who can choose to suddenly go psychopath because it's fun.
Waitwhat469 the thing is that the courier had an invitation to go into the bunker with only their gear,but the chip as well. Bringing another person would be unnecessary since you’ve proven your loyalty by just bringing him the chip without a second thought
To be fair, a person who survives being shot in the head and then proceeds to hunt their attacker across the desert at tremendous personal risk to themselves doesn't suggest the most stable individual
A businessman is still a gambler of sorts. They'll take chances and weigh risk and reward to make decisions. Of course, especially in House's case, those risks are calculated, not just carelessly throwing assets to the wind and just hoping it will just happen to work out your way. And any good businessman will rig the situation in their favor through negotiation and bargaining.
@@blackosprey2219 this comment aged well considering the gamestop stock event... Expert stock brokers throwing money at something they didng understand only to lose millions possibly billions because they "gambled" it.
Taking into Account the Creators of New Vegas are supposedly the same well yeah it was their idea in first place and chronologically it could be Outer world's is in 2390 rite?
Well the ending of Outer Worlds said the fleet never returned, assuming they returned to Earth and impossible to get back in space...probably building a new faction somewhere in the U.S?
So, I've done the maths. (probably wrong, feel free to correct me) (I got it wrong, someone corrected me) The gold bars from Dead Money weigh 35 pounds each, about 560 ounces. IRL gold prices for June 2021 are around $1777.25 USD/oz. Times 560 is $995260 US per bar. The bars are worth 10547 caps (NVC) each. 995260/10547=94.36, therefore 1 NVC = $94.36 USD. House's rates for water and power, 5 NVC per gallon and kWh respectively, therefore translates to $472 per unit. Compare this to Oxhorn's quotes of $0.0085/gal and $0.1223/kWh, combined to a total of $0.1308USD verses $944 for House's 10 cap offer. Thanks KMP
$995260 USD per bar 10547 NVC per bar 995260/10547 = $94.36 USD per NVC, not caps per dollar. That puts the rest of the math off by almost 4 orders of magnitude. Well, assuming something else didn't go wrong, but it doesn't look like it.
@@kmp8563 By jeez, you're right. Well that's embarrassing. I'm gonna have to re-do this. Thanks for pointing it out. But holy crap, that makes life expensive in the post apocalypse. For example, the value of a laser pistol is $16,513, NCR Ranger armour is $707,700, a can of Cram is $472, and the services of a prostitute will cost you $9436-$28,308. That post-war inflation, eh? Originally I hadn't cross-referenced prices for these everyday items. Calculating it my way puts things way on the low end of the price range. Realistic maybe for old west dollar values, if you want to roll play the Mojave Wasteland like that, but ultimately a flawed calculation.
@@rus0004 I think the price of the gold bars is probably the issue here, who's to say they're really still "worth" that much to people? I'd imagine that gold in the post-apocalypse is probably seen as less valuable because it's not really a practical thing to have in a survival situation. Which also ties into the concept of inflation, just in a kind of reversed way. Still, the fact that people will pay you a measly 250 caps for killing someone and/or risking your life probably means that caps really are worth a lot more than $USD, so life is probably still very expensive in New Vegas. It's a cool topic to think about. Paying 30,000 caps for GRA weapons in the DLC is an Elon Musk level purchase lmao
@@kmp8563 True. An item is worth what people are willing to pay for it. Who knows how your typical wastelander places such values. Though if you think about it, given the "post-post-apocalypse" setting of New Vegas, those bars might even be worth considerably more than they could have been a few years prior. But we're probably putting far too much thought into fictional currencies and exchange rates. Could you do me one last favour and check my revision. If it's still wrong after all this I'll just delete the comment altogether.
I think the courier being easily able to kill House at any moment (he's made a Lieutenant and trusted by House) is enough of a check if you're playing a good karma character. At that point, it's the judgement of two people, and not one. Of course that is still several people too few, but it's not completely unchecked power.
House knows damn well what the Courier is capable of; the dude went from being a simple delivery boy to his right-hand man- crushed the NCR, killed the BoS, got the Boomers on their side (a literal xenophobic tribe that’s willing to blow up anything that gets too close without a second thought), and fight off The Legion. Not to mention fight through several wasteland problems like raiders, mutants, ghouls, and radiation.
@@wackpendejo3000 It took about 200 years for anyone to show up in the Mojave who were anywhere near possessing House’s ability to get things done. One of them is Caesar, and the other is the Courier. Caesar’s obviously not a controllable pawn, so House would be very foolish to squander the utter political power of the Courier, who can bend entire factions to their will with mere words.
@@BrentStarling but why does he need that? house said it himself, after his army takes over hoover dam, he can put people in orbit after 100 years... so what need does he have of the courier?
@@wackpendejo3000 Stability, the guy is speaking about a good karma courier, he is a example of a good person in a world in ruins, and will become a wasteland legend after he dies, having him at his side would be beneficial to House considering his fame and his skills to be a efficient killer and his ability to make deals sway people to his side Besides House is a person that honors his contracts, he wouldn't kill him because of the contract they formed when he was helped by the courier
"He's just one man"......... who saved vegas, built a multi billion dollar company, survived the Great War, still alive after 200 years and has a army of military grade robots
The Big MT and the institute are HUGE evidence to what happens when you leave technology to boogeymen like House. And it's further evidence that you don't need House for scientific development when other people are actually capable, so long as you have a nation to educate, maintain and spread that level of technology. The man has been awake for over a century, he chose to be an oppressive land lord, whose main goal was to expand in the end game while sucking caps through gambling. Rebuild what? There is no evidence of rebuilding anything other than newer war machines to further control the strip and other people to do his bidding. Then you completely disregard the single-greatest civilized nation in the whole Fallout lore (who provided shelter, food and water for 700,000 of their citizens through long-term economic stability and sustainable sources) because they aren't perfect? That's fucking crazy.
Not to mention the fact that he's slowly rebuilding infrastructure, doing his best to bring in more people and more money, and one example to prove he is helping the Wasteland as a whole, he's rebuilding the monorail to allow people from far and wide to make their living in the strip. He provides shelter, security, and though it may be at a premium, he is in fact selling at least water. He's also making space for people to set up their own businesses near the strip, allowing them themselves to assist in reconstructing society. Sure he wants to rule over it all, but seeing how he shot down all those nukes, for that alone he deserves the area covered by his defenses.
@@dirtpounder Guy has been awake for over a century and the comparison between him and the development of shady sands does not even compare. It's a square kilometer VS the entire landscape of California. It's 700,000 citizens VS Petty crime gangs. House lied to you, for every good thing he did post-war, NCR did it literally 1000 times better. Rebuild what? There is no evidence of rebuilding anything other than newer war machines to further control the strip and other people to do his bidding. Then you completely disregard the single-greatest civilized nation in the whole Fallout lore (who provided shelter, food and water for 700,000 of their citizens through long-term economic stability and sustainable sources).
@@dirtpounder Guy has been awake for over a century and the comparison between him and the development of shady sands does not even compare. It's a square kilometer VS the entire landscape of California. It's 700,000 citizens VS Petty crime gangs. House lied to you, for every good thing he did post-war, NCR did it literally 1000 times better. Rebuild what? There is no evidence of rebuilding anything other than newer war machines to further control the strip and other people to do his bidding. Then you completely disregard the single-greatest civilized nation in the whole Fallout lore (who provided shelter, food and water for 700,000 of their citizens through long-term economic stability and sustainable sources).
16:30 To be fair House had no choice. He needed an army and tried to recruit the local tribes. Out of all of them the three Families including the Omertas were the only ones to accept. Thus House had to make do with what he had. Besides I think he kept the Omertas around for the same reason Megatron kept Starscream around. He knows the omertas cannot be trusted so he knows to keep his guard up at all times.
5:08 what are you talking about he did nothing to protect it? Freeside is part of Vegas, which he protected, or is there some sign of a nuke going off there somewhere? It's also worth noting that house became active again in 2274. The treaty with the NCR was signed that same year, and the dam also went back online in that same year. House built the strip in a couple months. Sure, ofc the place is gonna be flawed, but you can't honestly say you would expect him to do better. Sure, freeside is pretty shit, but the only reason it exists at all is because those people went there hoping for a better life. Before Vegas existed, there wasn't even hope to be had. 7:07 My dude, the price of a bottle of water is 20 caps and weighs one pound. There are 8.34 pounds in a gallon of water, so even if House was charging 160 per gallon he would still be below the norm. 5 caps is an absolutely insanely good deal. 7:55 Ok, so, in caps the price of water that house set is 59 times as high as the current price of water is in dollars. Let's also use water to estimate value of caps in relation to dollars. A gallon bought in stores is about $1.22 on average. A gallon in the wasteland is about 167 caps. Going by that metric, a cap is worth less than a cent (or, to be slightly more exact, 0.73 cents). House is supplying water at well under half the cost that you said it was in seattle. It's basically like hes operating a non-profit that supplies water to the NCR. You pointing this out and prompting me to calculate this has actually made me think more highly of House. 8:11 "well, we know how little we get payed for doing jobs in the wasteland, so ofc that must be representative of the NCR (paraphrasing, obviously)" is like saying the money you might get payed for doing some odd jobs in mexico is representative of the average income in the US. 8:25 and 8:38 this is just madness. Yeah, if caps were the same as dollars those prices would be insane. However, there is absolutely no reason to assume as much. In fact, with the conversion rate I calculated above, of $1=0.0073 caps, that price isn't really all that ridiculous. About the equivalent of $263 for power, and $87.6 for water monthly. Power cost is at about 2.5 times the average cost of the US ($110.21 in 2013), for water the average cost for a family is $70 per month, Houses would be about $394 , so well over five times as much. That's a fairly significant markup from what we expect in the US today, but it's important to remember that fallout takes place in a nuclear wasteland that wouldn't even qualify as a third world nation today, you ever see anyone in the wasteland flush a toilet? How about take a shower or bath? Use a washing machine?(they might have all these over in the NCR, but if they did, you would think they would also exist on the strip, which is full of luxury resorts.) How many people in the NCR do you think have an AC? (I'm not even sure ACs exist in fallout btw, never heard one referenced, or seen one, which seems odd, considering where the game takes place, and that patrolling the mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.) Basically I sincerely doubt they are anywhere near as wasteful with water or power as we are. 8:49 But the NCR must have other sources for water and power. Why on earth does it make sense to assume they would decide to import enough water/power to destabilize their whole country? They have been doing fine so far. Their economy is booming. The NCR is supposed to be at the apex of its power. That's the only reason they ever agreed to protect the wasteland in exchange for water and power. They, at the time anyway, could afford to spend on luxury commodities. 9:10 while I'm sure the NCR will decline, I really doubt their decisions about importing water/power are gonna be the main cause for much strife. In fact, I'm willing to bet overextending themselves to protect Hoover-dam and Vegas are probably far more harmful to them. From the wiki: "(...)occupation of Hoover Dam has improved access to electricity and water, but at the cost of straining its budget and embroiling its armed forces in a morally corrosive imperialist project.[2] (...) treaty with Mr. House and the three families compel it to allocate 5% of the dam's electrical and water production to local use free of charge. Adding insult to injury, the NCR is locked into protecting New Vegas from invasion by Caesar's Legion even as it receives not one cap in tax revenue from the Strip's highly lucrative resort operations." Conjecture here, but if they balk at the idea of 5% going to Vegas, I highly doubt they would divert any to the rest of the wasteland after they annex the place, (which makes me highly unsympathetic to any self caused plights). I'm gonna stop there. Already got way too invested in this. XD
nice one the only thing that i would say is that we can never know the true value of caps in the real world for example if we find a gold bar in the fallout waste land it is worth 10000 plus caps or 10539 the base value (in new Vegas) and i gold bar is 35 ibs(if you look closely the bar in the game says 10 oz) now in the dead money dlc if you play it right you can get around 37 gold bars which would be around 370 oz of gold total. 10,539 is the total base value of caps per each gold bar. one gold bar costs of 35 ibs or 15.8757 kg would be 670,372.23 dollars and 370 oz would be 485,954.30 and would be worth in new Vegas 389943 and in fallout 4 it would be 16650 so we can never find out the true value of caps as the gold standard is different in different ares in the fallout universe hope you see this
"House has been asleep for 200 years" Sounds like someone else we know who's been asleep for 210 years and is untainted as hell. (We're looking at you, Sole Survivor of Vault 111.)
To eb devil's advocate, I think it's because Mr House was NOT cyrogennically preserved but constantly awake trying to mantian the power outages of the lack of the Platinum chip, and then watching from the Lucky 38 about the surrounding of Vegas.
You can't compare our prices of electricity and water to fallout's: that's like comparing the prices of them here in Seattle versus in a desert somewhere. In fact, 58x the price is an insane deal: that's cheaper than the water in flint.
I was hoping you'd mention House is surprisingly easy to outsmart and kill. Idk, i'm not sure if it's meant to be interpreted this way, but he constantly goes on and on about partaking data-driven decisions, yet doesn't seem to realize how much of a threat you are. Even when he seems to know you know about Yes Man, or when you've proven capable of wiping out entire factions, he continues to talk down on you while being by far the easiest major character in the game to kill. I saw that as an indication that maybe he doesn't possess the record or the technological prowess he talks about, and is merely smooth-talking you into working for him. I mean, autocrats are known for making grandiose promises to keep their subordinates on the line, I don't think Obsidian missed the theme.
He tries to manipulate you into joining him right from the start which is all he can really except try and have you killed but then he can't commence his plan.
I think it has more to do with his arrogance and the fact that he thinks everyone can be bought. He offers you a pay raise and has you dug out of that grave and helps you because he trusts you to be a good courier and track down and deliver his package. In terms of luxury and monetary gain he offers the most. He has a business focused mindset and doesn’t know how to deal with someone whose loyalty can’t be bought.
House's plans have plans. Think about it. He had *no* defenses after the only terminal needed to reach him? And didn't have complete control over that terminal when he did for everything else? The same man who miscalculated nuclear armageddon by 20 *hours*? The same man who found the platinum chip after an almost 200 year hibernation? My guess is we didn't outsmart him. His computers in the Lucky 38 still had all of his processes running, which for all intents and purposes, were *him*. Even his protests about his lifeboat being opened seem...disingenuous. House knows he can't do everything he wants for humanity from the confines of the Lucky 38. So how does he achieve that? His Old World body has to die, so his peers, the Institute, can upload his mind into a synth. A crazy theory? Perhaps, but if anyone can figure out how to download a human mind into a computer, and then upload it into an immortal synth body, it's Robert E. House, especially with Yes Man seemingly going dark after the battle of Hoover Dam. Even before Fallout 4, I have always thought of that to be incredibly suspicious.
It’s not that deep lol new Vegas was just a rush job realistically House would be impossible to kill unless you blew your way into the lucky 38 somehow but obviously they realized they made a character way to overpowered late into development so they just made it that you could easily gain access into his inner chamber with damn terminal on the wall and if you go on a murderous rampage on the strip he just decides not to close the 38 off lmao seriously do you think the smartest man alive would leave the key to his house under the doormat
Ox, I love your videos, but I don't think it's fair for you to compare House's power and water bills to the ones in real life. Clean water is notoriously difficult to come by in the post-apocalyptic wasteland, and enormous sources of natural power are even more so. Besides, 5 caps can't even get you 1 purified water in-game, so a gallon actually seems generous. And the caps currency system is not nearly as cohesive (or restrictive) as one run by an upright government, meaning your average wasteland joe can probably do things to get caps that would be considered illegal in our society. As for why he overcharges the NCR, it's probably because a) They can afford it, b) They're kind of a liability in the Mojave, not really accomplishing any one task effectively but rather ten tasks on a mediocre level. Oh, and c) because he can :P
He forgot that renting a room for the night is 100 caps, and it usually comes with a hooker. In an establishment that looks worse than a third world country hovel !
And honestly, the NCR really needs to be put in check. Too much success isn’t good for you, and in the case of the NCR, maybe being humbled is for the best. The isolationist Chief Hamlin becomes a prominent senator, and maybe he can get the NCR to root out it’s corruption issues before it’s too late.
@Leftist, Fag-Loving, God Hating Commie although i agree that the enclave suck hard, dude really u believe that in a devasteted world the ideology of left and right would still count for something ? i mean really ? survival and rebuilding will be the only option. individual freedom? and you call the other ones naive. in such a world communities would matter not individual freedoms.
@@who7657 of course you , Hitler, would support a genocidal enclave whose going to kill everyone who didnt grow up in a vault/enclave . this means enclave wants to kill ANY who have been exposed to enough radiation, so. every single wastelander human would also die .
Didn't House challenge the overseer of Vault 21 to a game of luck which both sides agreed to the terms that House would get ownership of the vault? I don't think he 'stole' the vault from the dwellers since they directly agreed to the terms. Unless House was going to take it anyway and makes my entire comment invalid. Im not sure.
@@combatarcher3101 what makes you think that free side represents autarky? I only know of one country that ever practiced autarky. It became an economic superpower in 6 years then it took a coalition of 51 countries 6 years to destroy it.
That quote is bullshit thought because at the time the bombs fell neither the US or China were in any way democratic nations, China even less so and it's far more likely that they dropped the bombs than the US as there was American troops literally IN China by October 2077. Even if you follow one of the theories that either Vault Tec or the Zetans started the great war the whole point about it being democracy's fault is null
@@VictorianTimeTraveler Nazi Germany still tried to force itself into international trade and basically succeeded in doing so, it would be dishonest to call them purely an Autarky (and the fuck do you mean they're "the only country and ever practiced Autarky", the USSR famously tried something very similar via War Communism and it sucked so bad they changed everything with the NEP where they relentlessly pursued international trade)
Elder McNamara may be a reasonable man, but what about his successor or his successors successor? Somewhere down the line a Brotherhood elder is going to go to war with House if left alone.
You say House did nothing to protect Freeside, but as he said the 77 nukes targeted New Vegas as well as the areas surrounding it and of the 77 nukes he destroyed 68, it is likely that he protected much of the Mojave from the nukes.
Then why didn't he tried to save THE WHOLE COUNTRY? because he knew that if he saved such a large area, he wouldn't be able to control it as he wanted. House wants to be worshiped or saving a continent means the president would still be the leader, not him.
The Platinum Chip didn't arrive on time, he specifically admitted that he didn't do as well with destroying the nukes as he could have. He's not a deity.
mister nobody, pour vous servir Are you seriously blaming House for not stopping the *entire world* from getting nuked? Do you hear yourself right now?
I actually think house does technically own vault 21, because when he tried to take it the dwellers of the vault put the fate of the vault up to a game of black jack,which house won
Yeah Ox raises a good point. If he cheated the game, then he is a horrible person. If he did not cheat the game, he put a big part in the future of vegas on chance.
@@tysorestsl2898 Lmao if he didn't cheat hes a moron. The dude put almost a million caps into the couriers route for the platinum chip and ran a network of misinformation for it. He totally cheated. The only reason there are holes in his plan is because the player character has to fill them. A person like Mr. House is legitimately the only sane choice in a dystopian nuclear hellscape. People just don't like him because hes a mean "dictator" and doesn't stroke the players ego like the other factions do.
@@pokeman5000 I actually like Mr. House. Though I believe all factions in the game are morons without The Courier on their side. I also believe it is extremely weird that Mr. House places all this responsibility on a simple Courier. House expects the Courier to go way beyond what the initial job is.
@@tysorestsl2898 By the time he’s begun putting serious responsibilities on you, you’ve already proven to be extremely resourceful (getting to Vegas TAKES TIME and you will be rather leveled unless you take some kind of cheese route, and he’s watching you every step of the way)
@@tysorestsl2898 if the player would be a normal courier he wouldnt have chaised benny across the majove and get the chip back to house. That shows house how special the courier is. Also he promisses a lot and has the best rewards for the courier. Most people would probablly choose house if they were in the position of the courier.
According to Pre-war money's value, one dollar has a value of 10 caps. So he's charging the NCR 50 cents for a gallon of water and a single kilowatt hour. It's actually a pretty good deal, especially considering the rarity of clean water and desperate need for electricity.
Grey Son It's really quite hard to determine the value of bottlecaps when compared to pre-war money. Keep in mind that the pre-war money we encounter in-game are always bundles of dollar bills, and I don't think their value can be identified by looking at them. Since they aren't in circulation as a currency anymore, pre-war money is likely just bought as a crafting material. It should probably also be considered that there's an entirely different population and market post-war compared to pre-war.
You find the bills in bundles, but there is a set number of bills in each bundle. A single bill is worth 10 bottle caps. A single cap is worth 10 cents. How much value you can place on these things during an actual trade depends on your mercantile skills. Any currency is only worth what someone is willing to trade for it in terms of goods and services. At the time of Fallout 3 and New Vegas, a single pre-war USD is worth 10 caps. At the time of Fallout 4, a single pre-war USD is worth 8 caps. The dollar is losing value to the bottle cap. Most traders accept pre-war money in trade, a few don't. Look hard enough and you will eventually find someone that will even accept that damned charge card. It all depends on how good a salesman your character is.
I believe that from a purely immersive stance, the different bundles are supposed to contain different amounts of bills and perhaps different bills (in terms of monetary value.) I find it hard to believe that each stack of bills the courier finds has the same amount of bills and exact same value. That's what leads me to believe that in the game, pre-war money is viewed more as a crafting resource or collector's item rather than an actual currency. In this, I mean that the value of the bills and such are not even considered, since every single bundle you come across is worth the exact same. I'm no economist by any means, but that's how I interpret it.
I think you're a little... Short on this one, Ox. - House may not have much of any moral right to annex freeside... But there isn't a perfect option for them in any scenario bar independence. And you're... Partially wrong about House's ending with the Kings - In one scenario, the Kings launch an attack on the NCR and house looks upon them favorably for doing so, sparing the kings and leaving them alone. - As for water and power, there are two reasons it's expensive compared to today's utility costs... They're both pretty obvious. One being that Water and Power are nowhere near as common in the fallout universe, that and people in the wasteland use power and water far, far, far less than the people of our modern society do- (Scarcity = Inflation). And the other... That House wants to stick it to the NCR and teach them a lesson in capital after they tried to weasel New Vegas out from under him. It also won't destabilize the NCR, as they have their own power and water sources outside of the dam. - House isn't saying anything along the lines of Autocrats being more 'pure' and less trigger happy than democrats or communists. He's simply telling you how he'd do it and why he'd do it that way. He isn't trying to justify anything at all - he's simply pointing out that the other options aren't likely to go as well. As for... 'Trusting' him, when your other choices are a revisionist warlord, a corrupt bureaucrat or a murderous mailman with no economic or political experience... It becomes obvious why you'd pick house. - As for wisdom, I'll just say that he *absolutely* cheated. All in all - I agree with you final statement in that there are no perfect choices.
Exactly my thoughts. I will add that putting high price on water is necessary to keep the lake sustainable. The NCR will absolutely suck the lake dry if left unchecked (at the profit of oligarchs). I also believe that House doesn’t seek profits. I seeks power for the sake of progress, in the long run. New Vegas profits are just a mean to an end. House has no need of money for himself.
Who will win: Recreated America, but this time without the cool stuff Edgy 15 year old cosplayers Guy who controls a square kilometer The mailman's robot
@protoss dragoon Wow. I've met some stupid Obsidian fanboys in my dad, but never before have I heard the 'geographical size in a devastated wasteland that's mostly empty and worthless anyways,' argument. I mean, I could understand if you used the population or militarization or diplomatic reach argument, but dude, House has an army of killer robots that could hold off and even gain territory from any competing faction as soon as he builds just one decent sized factory. And was a billionaire, genius, playboy philanthropist who still is. Give him prep time and resources and those other two loser factions would be BEGGING to be under his thumb. I mean, it's like you never played the one planet strategy in Stellaris. When you have a tech and power per square inch and in general advantage like House does... you the only relevance geography has is how much is dedicated to his tech and building that tech.
Chipping in two years later: The insane juggernaut of destruction and charisma that the player character becomes over the course of the game provides an EXCELLENT check/balance to House even if they side with him. Should he stray from the path of humanity's best interest, the PC of annihilation would correct him...
For a while. But you have to sleep. House doesn't. And your body will waste away. House's won't. He doesn't have to rush. He can wait 40-50 years before becoming an abusive dictator, and you'll be an elderly wreck. Or have a securitron kill you in your sleep.
@@kevdog150 Eh, in the House ending you have a stable genius in charge of all of the day to day stuff and someone who's intimately familiar with all of the workings and seems to actually enjoy maximizing efficiency. Day to day governing is very, very boring, trust me. So a brilliant mind governing that and I get to gallivant around the wastes and only correct him if he steps out of line.... that sounds superior to a sarcastic sassy robot who I'll have to babysit constantly.
@@kevdog150 That said, like I mentioned, House could just wait you out or kill you while you sleep. So, Yes Man or NCR is possibly superior. Or, House, and then get the heck outta dodge.
Oxhorn: "[rich powerful business man] using his might, using his smarts, to turn Vegas into a world that benefits him, and by extension some other people. *I don't believe however that this is how the world works, not today* and certainly not in the Fallout universe." *US politics: am I a joke to you?*
*Robert Edwin House* President, CEO, and sole proprietor of the New Vegas Strip, industrialist and technologist, founder, President, and CEO of the multi-billion-dollar pre-war robotics and software corporation, RobCo Industries *has born*
I feel what people forget is that we are not dealing with a thriving civilization like our own, rather we are dealing with an unorganised almost medieval civilization. And morales that we hold dear don't apply in this case. The only way to re established control and provide some sense of civilisation is not gonna be nice. There will always be casualties no matter how good you're intentions are. House for me represents the Mojave's best chance to return to a civilised society. His plan will spark the re emergence of technology which in turn will spark law, economics, health and security. The only question we have to ask ourselves is are we willing to make the hard choices to save what is left of civilization? House will do whatever he has to to see the return of civilization.
But house (No matter how smart he is) eventually will have to start letting things that in the post war world he makes be made by separate companies (eventually his market would stagnate otherwise and advancement needs a purpose to exist (for example the radio or the car (the car/radio were cheaper than owning a horse and Cart (and the people to care for the horses and paper for the news as well as paper delivery persons) from my perspective he is wanting to govern Vegas like a mega corporation and those always (or near always to cut some slack) fail
House woke up a hundred years ago. For the last century, what has he done to the wasteland and the people around him? Kicked them out, oppressed them and potentially endanger them to the outside elements. And what has the NCR done? Attacked the legion rapists, barbarians and slavers, provided a camp for war refugees and orphans, maintained sustainable food, water and shelter for it's 700,000 citizens. You know his domineering behavior and severe lack of human empathy. You are on the wrong side of humanity.
What do you mean that the Kings are wiped out no matter what you do? If you resolve the conflict between the Kings and the NCR by making the Kings confront them (inciting a full war between both factions) then when the Hoover Dam Battle starts they attack the NCR citizens and soldiers that are on Freeside, this is seen by Mr House as a sign of loyalty to New Vegas and he spares them. Here's the exact ending: "During the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, some Kings took it upon themselves to launch several attacks on NCR citizens and soldiers around Freeside. Mr. House looked on these actions favorably, seeing them as proof of The Kings' loyalty to New Vegas, and decided to leave them alone". Also a man like Mr. House, who was able to mathematically calculate when the Nuclear war was going to start, probably drew the the conclusion that the Brotherhood of Steel would inevitable attack New Vegas and he would be forced to wipe them out anyway; so why wait until they attack and cause loss of life on both sides when he could just make a preemptive strike?
@Mitsi Grabblerberg and other factions/people do care? Its human nature to care only about those close to you. That doesn't mean he hates people, on the contrary, he is known for making contratcs (deals were both parts agree to work together) with people instead of forcing them to work for him. He is ultimately a good influence for the wasteland even when he doesn't try to be that, in Adam Smith's words: "It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest."
@Mitsi Grabblerberg He isnt running a charity, he is building infrastructure effectively though, which will indirectly help people of the wasteland. And probably will change the term of Mojave wasteland to be New vegas. A shining city.
*Today, 25th of June, 2020,* the greatest Genius to roam the Atomic Age: A brilliant Industrialist and Engineer, the Future Founder, President, and CEO of the forerunning Multi-billion-dollar Robotics, and Software company, Robco Industries, the Sole Proprietor and Saviour of the New Vegas Strip, And a great Dreamer who reaches for the stars: *Robert Edwin House* *has been born in Las Vegas, NV*
I have yet to play Outer Worlds, but I wonder if the House ending of Fallout: New Vegas leads to it. House does say he will be sending colony ships to other planets.
It’s a neat fan theory but the Board (the bad guys) in The Outer Worlds are utterly incompetent, definitely more so than House and I’d argue much more evil as well. I think House would have to be dead by the beginning of TOW if that theory were true because he would hate the Board. TOW is a fun game. The companion characters are great and I found the combat really fun. Main story is ok but the lore is shallow, boring and annoyingly pessimistic. I’d borrow it from a friend if possible lol
@@randybobandy4801 well he did say he wouldn't want a board of directors... so either the board usurped him or they killed him and took over for money sake
Didn't the brotherhood of steel butcher the followers of the apopaclyose because Veronica went to say hi. Yeah I wouldn't trust them ether, not to mention when talking with yes man he talks about how the brother hood "wouldn't like it" and that's only because he can't say things like hate or worse when talking about you or other people. Besides mr.house was knocked out due to not having the platinum chip and things going wrong. And the thing with the platnium chip, who knows how hard it would have been to make that thing, probably the earliest date it would have arrive no matter what. Also the NCR is much smaller than the modern USA and the NCR has a lot of generators and other ways of water. Also I'm pretty shure one dollar equals 8 caps. Also using that money would be used to create space flight. Space flight. And finally The best and ultimate part of me house is his plan. His want of space flight, if the fallout univers gains space flight than humanity can get more food, water, and homes. Everything wrong with the nuclear apopaclyose can be fixed on a new Planet. And if we don't have people in orbit soon, well the world already had a resource war, who says it won't happen again, but by getting of the planet we will have not only better supplies, but freedom from fear and not having to fight for there lives everyday. Please talk about this if you talk about the best new Vegas faction.
So instead of focusing on terraforming the actual planet earth , ud rather risk it all and pray to god u magically find another planet that is magically viable for human use lol
@@User-LS-n5m terraforming would take hundreds of thousands of years. And it's not really advancing humanity forward. Just stagnation. You know....also by your logic, we could terraform other things in space too.
When you say he (House) did not save hover-dam and the rest he technically did since his tower shot down most of the missiles heading to Vegas and the surrounding area saving most of the Mohave in the process and he was trying to shoot all down so he was trying in some way to save Vegas and the surrounding area.
Remember him saying, "If only the Platinum Chip had arrived a day sooner"? If I recall right, he wanted to save the whole area, not just the Strip, just didn't have the resources, and barely survived. The damage put him into a long coma
After the Veronica quest I realized this chapter of the brother isn’t gonna benefit anyone other than their small group. Even after the treaty with the ncr they would probably end up breaking it after they gain strength.
Your reasoning for the water was not correct. Purified water in the game is something like 20-30 caps for one bottled water. House is selling a whole gallon for five caps.
Christopher Bosetti Yes, fresh water is scarce in fallout and one should not compare the price for water in our world with the price in fallout. Also NCR lost the war and it is reasonable to sell water for a higher price.
Did some math including the gold from Dead Money (with gold prices from 2008 (~$12,678 per lb), release of FO3, and it's weight of 35 lb per bar it would be around $443,730 per bar. Measuring that against it's price in caps makes 1 bottlecap worth around $42,10) and the fact that a bottle (1 lb) of purified water (~0.12 gal) is 20 caps. House sells the water fro around $210 while a bottle of clean water is worth ~$840 in curency from this world. a gallon of clean water in bottles would be worth ~~$7,000. The NCR gets a huuuuuge discount bying from him compared to what caravans want for it.
This is a matter of game mechanics over story though, of they sold bottled water fof 5 caps to the player fuck why not buy it, keep in mind that while the player often has caps in the 1000s most nova refer to their savings as in the low hundreds so 5 for a follow is a decent hit
@@johnfulkrod9596 I always thought the opposite. You know, throw the bad stuff out of the gate and then end with a consolation in the good news. Because no matter how good the news are, the bad news will always seem worse.
@@JonatasAdoM well it depenss one what is your opinion. Like if you are for the cons you need to say the pros first. If you are for the pros then the cons.
House is one of the most interesting characters ever written. Until you see his decaying body, you truly wonder if he is more man or machine. He almost prides himself on his lack of humanity, calculating the MOST efficient policies to create wealth, consolidate his power, and restore mankind from its devastation. Doing everything in his power to protect a city that can potentially save mankind and sustaining himself with focus for 200 years, his libertarian-like policies simultaneously reveal both his steel resolve and utter lack compassion for his fellow man. He is a man that cares for the long run, but unfortunately in the long run the rest of us are dead. Fuck i love this game
You can't seriously compare todays power and water useage and NV's, or even the NCR's power and water usage. Considering how few tech and people there are compared to todays standard. Its foolish to compare them like that, Fallouts world wouldnt use a quarter of todays power usage. Edit: After watching the rest of the video, You belittle and Ignore the reasons behind House's decisions. If a clan that is known for betraying people, you can predict that and prepare for it. And house actually does this by. He explicitly says that they are probably up to something. As far as hiring the courier, he tested you and trusted you due to past preformances. It was a calculated risk, not a blind risk like you say. You really throw out all of House's planning and logic in this video. The only X-factor for house is the player since there needs to be a game.
I believe that if you in the quest I.G. Blues let the kings kill the NCR, the endings slide is something like: 'During the battle of hoover dam, some of the kings took it upon themselves to fight the NCR. Because of their bravery mr. house left them alone.'
At 18:58: Says: "I find it hard to believe that there was no other option to better guarantee House's success." Proceeds to offer no suggestions for other options. Not even one. Not even a single alternative suggestion.
Im a hardcore syndicalist and i help The Followers all the time, but i still usually go with The House on this one. It may not align with how i see the world short term, but technically long term, i think Mr House becoming a dominate local power is exactly what the NCR needs to validate and normalize its currency and population growth. The NCR doesnt need more land to patrol. They need a valid currency. They need a morale boost. They need a focal point of industry to base their hopes and dreams around. They need a trading partner that isnt a fascist. I think they unironically need The House.
Ok I just found this out now but Oxhorn, you either didn't care to read the Fallout: NV wiki, or otherwise you wanted to bring you point accross and therefore decided it's "better" if nobody knows about THIS: House DOESN'T kills the Kings if you resolve "G.I. Blues", the quest about the conflict in Freeside between the locals and Kings and the NCR and their squatters, by inciting the conflict instead of ending it!!! The ending slide states in this case: "During the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, some Kings took it upon themselves to launch several attacks on NCR citizens and soldiers around Freeside. Mr. House looked on these actions favorably, seeing them as proof of The Kings' loyalty to New Vegas, and decided to leave them alone" This also shows that there were NCR soldiers (and regrettably, citizens) in Freeside during and probably still after the Battle of Hoover Dam, IF the Kings didn't kill or drove them all off. So they are even there after you incite the conflict! So if you resolve the conflict peacefully, would anyone not take it for granted that House would want to secure Freeside (literally New vegas "front garden"), since armed soldiers of the NCR still were stationed there, and the local gang, i.e. the Kings, was unable to get them to leave? Also in the ending slate Oxhorn showed, it doesn't state anything remotely near to an intention to kill or even attack the Kings, no he wanted to secure Freeside! Freeside was at that point not only a place for said NCR soldiers that would have either to be disarmed or asked to leave, but it's also home to thugs that rob people, these attack in the game over and over again, so definitely a problem. I'm really mad at Oxhorn for missing this, not because of the oversight itself, but for the central place it takes in his judgement of House. How it is presented in the video, it implies that this is the ending you get with House concerning the Kings, where are the three word Ox uses so often to denote something being peculiar to his own playthrough, where is the "in my game"?! As said, this is one of the points for House being a "ruthless dictator", along with the Brotherhood he orders you to kill. It lets him look suspicious, why didn't he read the ending slides you can find so easily on the Fallout wiki under the entry for the Kings? This also shows that House clearly doesn't kill entire factions if they stand his way no matter what, he only eliminates them if they: 1. Are living right beneath his nose (Freeside), a place where crime runs rampant and which NEEDS security, against which his securitrons would do a lot, but who would be attacked the moment they entered Freeside, sadly the ending slate doesn't specifiy who attacked first, but since securitrons are programmed, it clearly was not a planned attack. (On the matter of Freeside needing security: Julie Farkas, the doctor leading the Followers efforts in Freeside, gives us this direct quote: "Thieves and thugs are always looking for a victim, and the local families are just sitting back making caps on the mess. Freeside is in dire need, but no one is man enough to step up. the Followers can only do so much to stem the tide.") 2. The BoS, one of the few factions whose members, though few, are definetely a danger to House and his securitrons. Remember, the BoS is stuck in it's ways, they regard higher technology as something they are the only ones to be trusted with. House plans what? He wants to go to space! And not some satellites or something like that, no he wants to clonize another planet! Technology would be paramount for this effort. Because if you ask Mr. House for the "why", he states this as the reason, and he's right. In any ending besides the one where you kill them, the Brotherhood will do something that is about technology in one way or the other: Legion winning ending: The BoS uses the Battle for Hoover Dam to take over Helios One, which the ending slide correctly describes as a "pyrrhic victory", since after taking it and dealing heavy casualties on the NCR troops retreating from the Dam, they of course where overwhelmed by the Legion and wiped out First independent ending: If you don't sign the truce between NCR and the BoS, they will also use the battle to attack Helios One, but differently, they will have no opposition in holding it. And what do they do with their newfound controlled territory? Seizing any technology on the two trade routes that go to/from New Vegas "seizing any technology they deemed inappropiate" Second independent: IF you make them sign a truce they won't attack Helios One, for now at least (it says "temporary truce" in this ending), and they let the NCR troops that retreat "pass without incident". But again I quote directly: "In the relative peace that followed, Brotherhood patrols appeared along major roads, harassing travelers over any bits of technology they had" NCR wins ending: IF you make them sign a truce they won't attack Helios One, but the NCR hands over ALL salvaged suits of power armor and they patrol the same two routes as before. It doesn't say explicitly they also confiscate technology from travelers, but it's unlikely they do not, considering they got the NCR to hand over such valuable stuff already. Before I recapitulate the best ending (for the BoS), I'd want to tell you that these endings occur no matter which Elder you take, besides being unable to make the truce whatsoever if choosing Hardin, so even McNamara would do the ending I'm going over again, if you don't make the truce. Besides, McNamara's outright refusal to change anything after Veronica showed him so clearly how the Brotherhood will fail, besides Veronica being clearly an outsider, just shows "the human element" in the BoS, even in the Mojave chapter, is second to the Brotherhood codex, and so is everybody else's wishes. Want peace with the Brotherhood? Hand over the tech we want or not happening, and btw, we will try and take it anyways if you don't. So, to recapitulate the ending where it goes "all perfect" for the BoS: The BoS will, if the courier takes over and doesn't do the quests required for NCR signing a truce with the BoS, not only take over Helios One but also established a roadblock on the two major trading routes to and from New Vegas to strip anyone of technology they only trust themselves with. Even more crucially, in the ending where the NCR WINS and the truce is appearently stable, the NCR has to hand over their probably most advance pieces armor, yes they are former BoS suits of power armor, but also the only pieve of advanced combat technology the NCR possesses, and even that little is too much for the BoS appearently. In fact, if the Legion wouldn't be incompatible on other levels, they would be the perfect ally to the BoS... But House? He would have to DIE if he wanted a truce with the BoS! Besides giving them all his securitrons, not to mention the network he uses to control these, they would flip out if they heard he had TECHNOLOGY that had prolonged his life to over 200 years, combined with a brain-computer interface that lets him control his securitron army besides other things! There is no chance in hell they let him keep that. So I think the only flaw in the game is not being shown what Mr. House means when dismissing the BoS as possible allies or even an ignorable faction. You should be able to walk up to the Elder, be it McNamara or Hardin, and hear it flat out; the BoS does not do anything that would violate their code, even if means their end. This is at least shown during Veronicas quest. So why would they accept Mr. House and his 100% technology based life, faction and future plans? They probably would've already tried to get to him, they simply don't know about his capabilities...
i just finished another run on the game, this time i decided to go with mister House. I always thought he would be the bad guy, but after seeing the ending i thought its one of the best endings. I felt really bad for killling my brotherhood friends, but i could understand his "reasons" for that. They were a threat so i end them. It seems like the house ending is quite nice and a real progress for the future fallout world. Poeple from all over america will come and try to settle down there cause there is a real chance of success here. Oh dude, i really hope for New Vegas 2, bigger vegas strip, bigger wasteland, DUDE i just want to know how this city evolved by time :D
The Big MT and the institute are HUGE evidence to what happens when you leave technology to boogeymen like House. And it's further evidence that you don't need House for scientific development when other people are actually capable, so long as you have a nation to educate, maintain and spread that level of technology. The man has been awake for over a century, he chose to be an oppressive land lord, whose main goal was to expand in the end game while sucking caps through gambling. Rebuild what? There is no evidence of rebuilding anything other than newer war machines to further control the strip and other people to do his bidding. Then you completely disregard the single-greatest civilized nation in the whole Fallout lore (who provided shelter, food and water for 700,000 of their citizens through long-term economic stability and sustainable sources) because they aren't perfect? That's fucking crazy.
Jan Anderson Co in what way is house comparable to the think tank or the institute? As far as corporations go, RobCo was actually one of the most ethical in fallout lore, he’s never abused others just for the hell of it or just as an experiment.
It's a gambling expression that refers to casinos. A casino is 'the House', and no matter if you win or lose a game in 'the House', the House wins anyway.
Unless you’re luck special skill is 7 or higher then you have casinos kicking you out for winning to much before you say Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition
17:20 but that point you were playing ball and brought him back the chip after everything that happened to you and honestly by that point did some more stuff for him so it was a calculated risk but that off set by the legit skill and loyality he has been showing so far. it be weird if he didn't send you to do it
You have to remember that many of Houses surcuitrons have gone “missing” in that area. Judging how the Brotherhood is the only major power in that area it’s easy to assume that they are hostile. If he sent a surcuratron up there to try to talk to them they would just shoot it.
Doing the math... 16 ounce bottle of water = 20 caps base value 128 ounces to the gallon 8 water bottles per gallon, 160 cap value Considering that the majority of wastelanders or even NCR citizens will be largely drinking purified water, rather than watering their lawns or taking showers with it, also considering that the cost per gallon likely includes the cost to PRODUCE it (power, pumps, packaging, etc) then it's a bloody BARGAIN what House is charging. It doesn't make good sense to go equating a cap to a dollar, and it doesn't make sense to compare the VALUE of water in our society vs the value in the Fallout world. We have infrastructure and technology in place to sustainably manage an entire city's worth of drinking water en masse. It is because of our own world's relative abundance and ease of access that these things are so cheap for us. House is providing an incredibly reasonable offer to the people not only of the Mojave, but of the NCR as well.
It+s better than the Hub deal in Fallout 1 so yes, under House the Mojave could very well become full of water businessmen in the following years, just pay 5 a gallon make tons of purified water bottles and sell it at a competitive price of less than 20 caps, not only will the overall price of water drop by a lot in the nearby areas around the Mojave but their economy will be booming. My only question is whether or not his electricity price is ok.
Here's the thing about the brotherhood- if your best argument is that McNamara is reasonable, what happens when he dies and the next person takes his place? House is eternal; dealing with the leader every several decades is a headache, and gives them time to build up their strength until the leader is someone who will pick that fight.
I also dont think comparing a man whose entire life and army are machines, to a government of old school US values and a military of simple firearms, is really all too apt.
McNamara isn’t reasonable though, it’s only after you basically blackmail him with the NCR does he even budge. I’ve used the pulse gun and it wrecks BoS, like hardcore, and I’m playing with mods that buff power armor into being its own class of armor instead of just being high end heavy armor. If even a “reasonable” terrorist like McNamara doesn’t see that as a threat, then he’s a loser with no future.
@@allhandsondik7803 Lol BoS are Old School US values and simple firearms? I say this as somebody who chooses BoS for basically every FO playthrough: A militaristic cult that hordes technology because the wider populace cannot be trusted, and uses giant nuke-throwing mechas and power-armour, does not fit the above description. With the exception of Fallout 3's short-lived BoS offshoot, I don't think anybody except the Minutemen fits that description. Plus one of the Brotherhoods most fatal flaws is that they simply aren't that interested in governance, and the chapter leaders that try to expand the Brotherhoods purview usually don't last long.
The Brotherhood of Steel has a really corrupt ideology for bringing humanity forward after the apocalypse. For every "visionary" and "tolerant" leader, there's another steeped in the fundamentalism and would rather see humanity be savages squabbling over large rocks than let them have any sort of advanced technology again.
I mean if you use the gold bars from Dead money as a base, it's about 10 caps to the $1 (OR 1 cap to $65, i mean a 10 Troy oz. bars weighting 35 pound bars and all :3)
When I first played thia game I went with house and I fully expected him to betray me in the end , that old video game hollywood cliche . but when he did good by his faithful courier I was taken back and find it hard to kill him when playing for other faction storylines .
The problem is, House has basically been working towards a goal for two hundred years. Assuming he’s going to get side tracked or change what he does or why he does things, seems a bigger leap then him just going forward. House seems on top of a lot of things, and what he gets from it, is being the best. His ego is fed with success, he wants to show it can be done. The reason he ‘won’t’ corrupt, is because he can’t accept failure. To fail is to hurt his ego. But to rule over Vegas, move forward, colonize space? Yes, that would feed his ego. Yes, that would prove him best. That’s why House very likely won’t corrupt, won’t change, in his mind he is the best, therefore he ‘has’ to be the best. Anything less isn’t good enough, anything less isn’t ‘House’.
The Big MT and the institute are HUGE evidence to what happens when you leave technology to boogeymen like House. And it's further evidence that you don't need House for scientific development when other people are actually capable, so long as you have a nation to educate, maintain and spread that level of technology. The man has been awake for over a century, he chose to be an oppressive land lord, whose main goal was to expand in the end game while sucking caps through gambling. Rebuild what? There is no evidence of rebuilding anything other than newer war machines to further control the strip and other people to do his bidding. Then you completely disregard the single-greatest civilized nation in the whole Fallout lore (who provided shelter, food and water for 700,000 of their citizens through long-term economic stability and sustainable sources) because they aren't perfect? That's fucking crazy.
@@johnanderson3899 Big MT was basically all the right answers for all the wrong reasons. House wouldn't act as ludicrous or maniacal as the scientists of Big MT.
@@johnlucas2838 FALSE. Time and time again, people like HOUSE has made the same promises. It's the usual script for the abusive (money-grubbing) dictator who started to convince everyone he's a savior of some sort. This is why world history is important, because you people make the same mistakes, the same flaws in your human psyche.
@@johnanderson3899 Yet House explains the process in how he's going to do things and and that all he needs is time and money, money he'll make through trades or through casinos; not through tax. How many people tell their promise yet don't explain how they're going to achieve it. Nearly every lying politician does that, they make a false promise and also don't explain how they're going to do it. House is the best bet, he has the answers, he isn't making any false promises, he told us blatantly on how he's going to achieve his goals and knows where he's headed. You say there are people like House, but is there anyone like House? No, there isn't. House is genius who's attained a form of immortality, he's lived longer than anyone, he's climbed his way up from nothing when he didn't get his inheritance, and he isn't a cult personality that makes the masses blindly follow him, in fact how he runs things is through contracts and wagers/risks, people know what they pay for and what they get. Unlike us who blindly pay for nothing when it comes to a promise. House doesn't abuse the system if he's the one keeping it running. He needs the NCR to trade with him and that's it, he's made a wonderous deal for their benefit, 20 caps for 4 gallons of water, when we see bottles of water in game cost 20 caps each. That's a steal for the NCR. There is no one like Mr. House. He says he's an autocrat but he's more of a progressive that's staked in investments. All it comes down to is business in the end for him. And how much progress and products he can get and make from it, mind you, products he and his company makes. New Vegas is his land and he's owned it for more than 200 years, he's saved it from being destroyed. He was only off by a day, I say that's a margin of error within calculations but that's what calculations are. Not like we learned World History in High School when we should. I wonder why that is maybe because our society has accepted something and it's infected our education system like a cancer.
If the Spare The Brotherhood of Steel option for House wasn't cut, then this video would've likely been different. The worry that House is too much of a risk taker would still there but with that cut option restored, we can see House being at least reasonable and can spare and possibly collaborate with the BOS in some way. As for The Kings honestly having them attack the NCR is the best option and the way to get House to spare them.
Oxhorn after some research I have to say your argument in the clip and assumption are weak. There is no clear moral ground in Fallout universe so utilitarianism or whatever doesn’t matter. But some of your conclusion is just wrong. Price of water, assumption with BoS, resolution for free side. What you mentioned either are not true or only exists in your play through.
littlesunshine4heart the BOS really haven’t don’t the mojave much good, probably because stealing laser rifles from farmers is kind of counter productive to progress
@@VivaCristoRei9 thank you. the brotherhood NEEDS to be eliminated. they are not the good guys. i hate to say it, but nuka world said it best when gage says that raiders and the brotherhood aren't that different.
I sided with the NCR my last playthrough a few years ago, but I have to say, thinking long-term both for the player and for the future of the Mojave, House does seem like the only smart choice. The NCR clearly cannot rebuild a solid democracy - both the social and economic situation in the wastelands of the post-war USA, the lack of resources and amenities, are not a good soil for a responsible government to sprout. There are few resources to evenly share among people, and the NCR is overstretched already. Moreover, the legion is clearly out of the question - they are no better than the Fiends, just more organised. House promotes the only sensible form of government in this situation - a leader that is not interested in fame or fortune. The corruptability of a dictator slides off the guy because of his lack of humanity. From his monologues you can see that he is not interested in the petty lives of others, only progress. That is to say - why wouldn't he allow people to organise and decide atleast some of the laws of the land, not concerning economics, military or other matters of security of the state. And in a disaster, a wasteland populated by drug-fueled raiders and mutated monsters, that sounds pretty f-ing good. You can criticize him on his stance on the BoS for example, but as Oxhorn said, you can see his argument in that aswell. Either way, I'd rather see a genius of industry and an expert of robotics in charge, rather than a guy living in a tent with a brain tumor or an elected official. Damn, I want to play New Vegas again - absolutely the best story of all the modern Fallout games.
For anyone who doesn't mind siding with Caesars legion, that would be a good choice. Don't like him? Go with house which is more better, not even close? Try independent where you don't take shit from no one but at least those kind of choices are much better then the NCR, ANYTHING BUT THE NCR...whom I couldn't stand, they talk about bringing order to the wasteland. They don't care about order, they care about full control. The only thing that I ever see as an ending is House, Legion and Independent because otherwise the platinum chip has no meaning to the story if anyone goes with NCR.
@@Djivaan56 I chose house because he is a best last chance that humanity has to offer if not last hope. Then I start a new game playing legion which I have mixed results since they are not wrong about the infighting and corruption of the NCR when emulating the pre-war gov't, while I respect Caesar decision to go with the Roman time period if players don't mind rape and slavery, I tend to choose independent route after making decisions like Legion to yes man, house to yes man and even NCR to yes man just to show all any faction can succeed or fall, but the NCR will never succeed and they never will.
@@Kerendips the NCR don't give a shit about anyone except for their own people, if there's anyone whose useless it's the NCR always need large favors from the Courier, which are large contributors to the 2nd Battle of Hoover Dam. Even with small tasks such as talking to the Great Khans or making contact with the BoS. Which would be easy if they hired even a simple Jet addict. In the end they're all useless without the couriers help. But giving power to the overly corrupt gov't is like giving some moron a gun, truth be told I'd rather give the mojave to house or take it over since those are the two answers, NCR IS NOT THE ANSWER. Opinions an opinion where players might as well consider best. Mr. House ending= Aristocracy/Oligarchy, Yes Man ending= Anarchy, Legion= Dictatorship, NCR= shitty Bureaucratic government. They all have their justifications, but they all suck in their own way. At least most are better then the latter.
@@Kerendips You seem to forget the giant securitron army that with a few years, could replicate themselves using factories that would be easy to make with the wealth Mr House possesses. Mr House doesn't have to fight the world, he just needs to fight off the legion, and keep the NCR placated for long enough to create a true immortal army. EMP grenades are great, but it'd be like trying to destroy a giant wave of ants with a spitball, and each of the ants is armed to the teeth with guns, lasers, grenades, all while self-repairing. Not even mentioning how expensive those things are, making practical use out of them nearly impossible. The biggest threat would be tech from the Big MT getting out into the Mojave, since it's almost all anti-robot. But until then, Mr House is the best choice. Also, if Mr House was worried about his securitrons getting hit by EMPs, he has more than enough money to contract mercenaries or just pay off any attackers.
Well, let's take a government rundown here. House: Despotism, no true spread of power outside of agents, but with no risk of a succession crisis (at least in the immediate future). Absolute monarchies and other top-heavy systems have the highest potential for efficiency and power, but are also most brittle. A powerful leader could conquer the world, but if his successor cannot maintain this, then it was all for naught. House is a good leader, not a master but good, and he has no foreseeable risk of death, so therefore no issue of succession. So, on the whole, while brutal (as is normal with totalitarian regimes), he would at least keep Vegas functional and safe. However, if someone assassinated him, the whole house comes tumbling down. Also, he would by necessity need to delegate once past a certain range, if he truly does wish to expand, and that would necessitate lieutenants, or perhaps even a feudal system; and these people would be people, not his immortal self. NCR: They're trying to recreate a model of the United States, essentially. On one hand, once established, this would be far less brittle than a totalitarian government. However, republics are slower to react to threats and are easier to bog down with in-fighting than monarchies. However, it also ensures that the system is self-automated enough at a local level that it can react, and it keeps people operating on their own. There are still very dodgy decisions by leadership and it's probably the most vulnerable to politics, but it would be less susceptible to sudden, disastrous shifts in policy. On the whole, I think this would be the most stable of the bunch, but definitely not the most efficient. Caesar's Legion: Essentially, this has all of the pros and cons of a despotic rule without the special benefits that House enjoys. Even ignoring the morality, Caesar is holding the Legion together by sheer force of will. There's no guarantee that whoever takes over after Caesar would be capable of keeping the Legion united. Moreover, the Legion has a very regressive view of technology. I've avoided talking about this so far, as the others have similar positive views of tech; but the Legion's lack of scientists and brutal attitude towards the few they have renders it a liability for the future. While I'm not passing total judgment on what's best, I believe Caesar's Legion is what's worst. Yes Man: This is an odd one, because it depends a great deal on what the Courier and Yes Man decide to set up as their line of succession and method of government. However, what we can assume is that Yes Man will be there to help guide the successors, and depending on the Courier's orders and ability to program the robot, he could act as a House-style immortal guide to the future. However, there's not enough data is available to say whether this would be a help or a hindrance. Yes Man's base personality would be overly compliant, but if he can be programmed with directives, that would change the scenario.
I think House does mention that he'd be willing to eventually let other people have immortality as well. Think it was in one of the earlier episodes. This would let him have immortal agents, but does make it sound like it would eventually devolve into fractured dictatorships.
Take your pick House = Saddam Hussein (Iraq) Caesar = King Salman (Saudi Arabia) President Kimball = Ronald Reagan (USA) Yes Man = Nestor Makhno (Free Territory)
I went with Yes-Man for an Independent Vegas. I might tweek some stuff like no one can change these founding principles of don’t steal and don’t start trouble. Yes-Man’s only job would be protecting life, liberty and property with the protectrons. A limited government that was founded on Libertarian ideals.
I don't buy representative democracies as being more stable There's been very little evidence of that and it seems to mostly be propaganda from the representative democracies we almost all live in
"I would never give the keys to the mojave to one man." Well, I mean you're there. Isn't your job in the House ending to be House's human leash? Because you know, and by the end he probably knows too, that you could walk through all of House's defenses with a fucking shaving razor and pull him out of his refrigerator to rot if he steps wrong. While it is sort of up to your character's disposition whether or not that's a good ending, if you played a good guy then the ending becomes the two of you using each other. He uses you to take care of jobs that he doesn't have the ability to deal with himself, and you use him to pull society out of the hole it's in, while also having a direct means of ending him.
Tin Watchman I'd say his means of production are too limited for that. He needed the army under the fort because he can't make any himself, and the upgrades from the platinum chip are from before the war. That's where the Courier's worth comes from, cuz if he sends all his 'Trons off on missions and loses them he'd be up shit creek.
Well Mr. House is also honorable and he respects the Courier for his skills/loyalty. He could have wiped out the Courier just as he can General Oliver but he didn't as he trusts and depends on him.
Correct me if wrong, but isn't the best case scenario for this that House is kept in line by you for a few decades or so, until eventually you die or simply become too old and broken down to serve your purpose? House is borderline immortal. You are not. All he needs to do to free himself from you is wait.
@cinna banana His achievement is still big, or you prefer riddled with corruption NCR that can barely stand on its own? Or Legion with their crucifiction? Yes man with no future? Mr. House is not a dictator. No one is forced to be with him, all with contracts
i like how in Fallout New Vegas you play as the courier and you have the chance to do the Mr. House quest - where it's like all mapped out for you. I'm a paint by numbers kind of guy. Let's look at our other options. Work for the slavers Work for the idiots Work for yourself when you have no plan, no real allies, no real resources and no real army Gee - maybe Mr. House is a good idea.
I tend to side with the "screw all the factions" faction. Game ends when everyone is dead and peace is truly restored to the Mojave. I'll see peace restored to the Mojave even if I have to murder every last SOB with my bare hands. :)
@@jonathanwells223less boring than meeting all the factions and doing their quests to get them signed up to fight. And a lot more fun. I say hi with lead
I would like to point out that Freeside is a part of Vegas, so if we recognize shielding Vegas from nuclear Armageddon as a legitimate basis for House’s claim to the strip, we do have to recognize that this extends to Freeside and the other outer Vegas areas. As to the water, I take your point, though I would point out that it might be worth considering the difference in supply and demand for clean water between our world and that of Fallout. As that would be almost entirely theoretical however, I would pivot to the point that neither the NCR nor the Legion is any more equitable in the distribution when it comes to the Mojave. While I do not know if there are specific numbers to be cited regarding the water, there are regarding the power. Under the terms of the New Vegas Treaty, 95% of the power generated goes to the NCR. This is somewhat reasonable to the extent that the NCR has more people, however under this agreement, large parts of Vegas go without power such as Westside, North Vegas, and parts of Freeside. And the Legion, who largely eschew modern technology simply desire the dam for the land route and to deny the NCR, and are thus extremely unlikely to keep it running.
I actually agree with House's decision to eliminate the Brotherhood of Steel 100%. As much as I like the brotherhood, he's right. They're a relic of a bygone era, they're standing in the way of progress, and they're most likely eventually going to die out (on the West coast anyway) no matter what happens at the end of New Vegas. Slaughtering the Kings was a dick move, though. That one stung. :-/
To quote one of the greatest leaders in the world, “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others". Nobody pretends Democracy is perfect and unfortunately the truth of the matter is the NCR are in no position to spread it much further than they already have. Indeed the most solid plan would be for them to shore up their current holdings, establish a stable supply line and some form of law and a way of enforcing it. If you want to know what stretching limited resources does, look at the Afrika Korp. With the world in the situation it finds itself in Fallout, while autocracy under House doesn't sound like the best way to live it's a hell of a lot better, and more sustainable, than anything else on offer in the area. His biggest failing is not attempting to negotiate with some of the other groups who could be useful, perhaps offering to let the Brotherhood operate carte blanche in exchange for certain exemptions, after all they have a disciplined, well armed force which is something sorely needed by a fledgling society.
wittyreviewer to quote the greatest leader in the world : yes I'm Dave of Dave republic,after that you got better dead than red,and then one America one enclave,now and forever
There was originally supposed to be a peaceful resolution between House and the Brotherhood. Including that would've made for more interesting choices for the endgame and the fate of Vegas.
Boy do I wish that was an option. I can't just kill the brotherhood in a run where I have Veronica as a companion... yah they are bad but they are still her family. New Vegas is an amazing game, and they had so little time to develop it. Imagine if they had the time they had needed...
Nobody seems to be mentioning the best part of this video: You doing everything possible to avoid talking with House after you gunned down General Oliver and plunged Vegas and the NCR into war instead of getting Oliver to sign the agreement.
Remember all, this video is about why House is a bad choice, not why he is the worst choice. He very well may be the best choice once we investigate all other factions.
Thanks everyone for bringing up the alternative Kings ending where house lets them live (I missed that!). The problem with that ending is that the Kings did not attack the NCR for House. They attacked the NCR because they felt the NCR was encroaching on their territory in Freeside. So, if House interpreted their behavior as loyalty, as it says he does in the ending slide, then all that does is make him wrong. The Kings attack the NCR for their own reasons--NOT because they are loyal to House. The Kings endings show us that House is not content with ruling Vegas; that he can misinterpret the behavior of others (just like anyone else); and that, once he has absolute power, he uses it flippantly. After all, House's rule of Freeside must not be THAT important if there is an entire ending where House is perfectly happy letting the Kings run things there, out of a mistaken perception of loyalty.
With the cost of water, we run into a problem with inconsistent in-game valuation. Yes, the base value of purified water is 20 caps, but this is only for the Courier. The devs knew we would amass caps far easier than anyone else in the Mojave (treasure of the Sierra Madre, etc.) So, purified water is 20 caps for us. We have no idea what a real Mojave economy would look like without the influence of the Courier. For example, big Sal is willing to let go of an illicit weapons contract for a measly 250 caps. In-game valuation of goods and services (and especially quest rewards) do not always make sense, because the devs needed to reward us in such a way that we did not get too rich too quick, but rich enough early enough to be able to buy what we need to play the game.
If, however, we look at how NPCs treat caps, all dialogue with NPCs surrounding caps treats caps as incredibly valuable.
To get a better idea of how valuable caps are, I think we should look at how much NPCs save. When we kill NPCs, we're lucky to walk away with 5 or so caps. In cases where we can explore their homes, we rarely find any savings. When we do, it's in the hundreds. A good example is Nipton's mayor Steyn. He sold out Nipton to the Legion for a promise of 8,000 caps, which he said was enough to allow him to restart his life in California, at the Hub. He went to the nearby pit-stop to leave a stash of supplies, but we don't find many caps. The food we do find stored there can be sold for less than 30 caps. We also find caravaners who are willing to embark on month's-long journeys across multiple states (whereupon they consume countless gallons of purified water) for a few hundred caps (Happy Trails Expedition).
So we need to make sure we separate lore from game mechanics. The 20 caps value of purified water is a game mechanic. It is priced for the player, not for NPCs. When we instead look at how the Mojave economy works, we find people who don't carry more than a few caps on them, who can't save more than a few hundred caps, and for whom a few thousand caps is an incredible fortune. From this I think we can say with confidence that House's price for water and electricity, in the lore of the game (ignoring player-focused game-mechanics) is too expensive.
best. intro. ever. :D
The endgame cutscene calls it "loyalty to New Vegas", not "loyalty to Mr. House". I think Mr. House realizes that The Kings aren't loyal to him but rather to the sovereign state of New Vegas. And that retaliation against NCR imperialism is something House sees as beneficial. Like the Omertas, The Kings can still prove useful to Mr. House even if they aren't truly loyal to him.
And I don't think this makes House a bad leader. I think it's safe to say that compromises are fundamental when fighting a war. The NCR had to compromise by holding off the annexation of New Vegas due potential casualties that would leave them open to an attack by the Legion. And in the same way, House had to compromise by syndicating three savage tribes to facilitate the work and defense of New Vegas. Something he wouldn't have done were it not necessary.
While I completely disagree with House destroying the Mojave Brotherhood of Steel and The Kings (in the case that they help the NCR), I can't say that they weren't smart and well-calculated decisions.
one problom he runs 10000000s of caculashons before everything(sorry spelling)
I thought about the price of water changing from 0 (that the NCR goverment didn't really have to pay for it, just the citizens) to 5 which is a big deal.
If you kill NCR in Kings quests mr house will spare them!
Do some Reserch!
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I think Mr House is a good choice. He is trying to rebuild world his way! NCR is just rebuilding the world in the pre-war spirit! But i like the Yesman ending more
You made a mistake: there is a peaceful ending between House and the Kings. You need to create conflict between the Kings and the NCR and the ending will reveal they attack the NCR during the battle of Hoover Dam. House sees this as a sign of loyalty and leaves them alone.
In his pinned comment he says something about the Kings attacking the NCR for New Vegas, not for house.
Like in Skyrim where for a long time most people didn't know you could simply hatch a cease fire instead of obliterating one side.
But Wouldn't that make you lose NCR reputation. NCR Reputation that House Wants since 6 is his personal Agent
@@lazwardazure716 Ohhh no NCR reputation.... where am I going to get more of that in fallout new vegas?
But the thing is, if I care about the well-being of Freeside and the Kings, regardless of if I support the NCR or not, I wouldn’t instigate them to become enemies with the largest military in the Wastelands. That’s foolish and a death sentence. The fact House thinks diplomacy and caution would be betrayal is sketchy at best. The big man’s trying to start a dictatorship, and he views the King as a threat. The Followers of the Apocalypse are against the NCR but they don’t go around picking fights they can’t win.
To be fair, 5 caps for a gallon of water is a pretty good deal when you take into account a single bottle of purified water is 20 caps.
Maximum barter skill or minimum barter skill?
Mr. Soad and a purified water is not even a gallon
Well shit, good point mate.
Mr.Bootleg I think the default price is set to 20 caps.
I know Oxhorn priced it at 1$ - 1cap, but I see a cap more at a value of like 1 Dime or 1 Quarter at most.
Today is June 25 2020, Mr House is born today. Happy birthday!
Really? Damn. Better save those caps
How is he only like 2 months old? :')
Well I live in Vegas so maybe I can hit him up with immortality
Oh yeah its all coming together.
I thought he was born in 2040?
Mr. House will actually leave kings alone if in the quest “G.I. Blues” you help Pacer kill the NCR soldiers in the last part of the quest.
Thank you. Can't believe how long I had to scroll to find this comment.
@Caesar True to you, and you forget its his birthday 3 weeks ago!
Yeah, But Too Bad That Won't Matter Anyways. You Sent Me To Kill Him As Like One of My First Objectives.
Hey sorry for killing you with the knife.
Mr. House: Doomer
NCR: consoomers
Caesar: toomer
The whole fact that people are still arguing about who is the best choice today, in 2018, shows the genius that Obsidian put into this game.
Oscar Gimblett True, better than Fallout 3 that's for fucking sure.
Yeah I mean seriously, look at Fallout 4. They tried, and failed, to recreate this games choices but you can clearly see who the best is (and I know I'll be crucified for this) and it's the Minutemen. It's clear to me, at least.
Dancing Deity Yes but it's limited to "The brotherhood aren't all that bad.", "The Minutemen have a flaw or too." And "The railroad mean well." Rather than New Vegas, which has a plethora of reasons for siding with/against each faction.
BezzyDoesTheInternet Oxhorn obviously agrees with you, and so do I. It's like Deacon tells you, look past the bullshit everyone is trying to spoon feed you, and look at what they're DOING. The Institute is kidnapping and murdering people for the sake of their own goals. The Brotherhood is, regrettably, no longer lead by heroes and idealists who want to make the world better. They're governed by strongmen who take what they want under the guise of "protecting" people. The Railroad really only cares about freeing the synths, which, while admirable, is extremely short-sighted and not what's best for everyone. The Minutemen are really the only people rebuilding communities and setting up supply lines and generally protecting people not out of self-interest. In fact depending on the kind of resources you're bringing in each settlement can be entirely self-sufficent. The Minutemen do these things because it's the right thing to do for everyone.
I don't know why we argue, the only moral and the only good choice is the NCR. They're not perfect, but they represent the coming of civilization. House is a useful pawn for the expansion of mankind, but he's a power-tripping evil son of a bitch who needs to be kept on a leash.
Let’s all take a moment to reflect on the fact that because UPS was a day late in its delivery, NV couldn’t defend itself from all of the Nukes.
Shoulda gone with FedEx.
Xylarxcode Ha
Dumb shit should have payed the extra thousand for overnight shipping
@@6eggsinmybrain he did actually
It was to be delivered in the afternoon the day after it was made
I always wondered why he left it so late to order it...I mean seriously, I would have ordered it like a month prior, atleast.
House isn’t perfect, but he’s too important and his mind, too valuable to lose. He built robco. He designed your pipboy, the securitrons, all of new vegas defenses. He holds the secrets of life extension and other technologies we can only imagine. And every other faction requires you kill him (even if you just unplug him, his pod is contaminated and he will die), and it’s not worth it. Killing him is like burning down the library of Alexandria. You set the world back a thousand years when you kill house. He is the single most important man in the Mojave.
When i was a teenager playing this game, i tested and played through all possibe faction endings for completions sake (sided with NCR first, then house, then independent, then Caesar - i actually remember fighting with the legion against rangers in riot armor inside the dam was the best fun I had with new vegas) but when i replayed this game as an adult with a more developed sense of a personal ideology if you will, I can't bring myself not to side WITH House.
He IS the most important man in the wasteland for me and I still believe he would redeem the human race from the nuclear aftermath of what the old world had wrought.
Giving the power to the NCR would only help the wasteland by much, ensuring that wealthy 1%ers and politicians ensure their power of living a selfish and comfortable lifestyle - basically real life 21st century capitalism. Not really a bad thing, a good thing actually because it brings stability and an established economy and free market - its a really good thing for the average person actually but eventually, everyone is still going to be divided by income humanity will again grow to be strong enough to reach the next nuclear again when America under NCR control decide to wage war on another country (america can't be the only country that survived the great war, sooner or later we'll find out) NCR capitalism will at best progress humanity to the point of another nuclear war as we humans never really changed and 'war never changes'
With caesars legion, it can really only function as long as caesar is still alive which we all know and after the death of caesar, the legion will crumble through infighting and whatever land they hold will be divided up with their own leaders - essentially becoming raider tribes once again - but this time, raiders with a history of slaving women so obviously not good for the human race at all. The courier is right that the size of NCR would be the legions weakness - they can only keep their homogeneity within a small land, their slaving militaristic society would not allow it. Ancient Sparta itself had this excact problem barring the sexism, they can't expand and sustain their economy because they rely on their slaves because the men only knows how to fight.
Leaving the mojave to House though, now thats were humanity will regain its strength and surpass it!
With all of New Vegas under House's sole property and the acquisition of Hoover Dam, the strip will be made orderly, securitrons ensure that crime is effectively reduced to zero, Freeside no longer housing murdering thugs attacking visitors left and right, and with the monorail fully functioning again, people will flock to new vegas to ensure their safety and their future. Imagine not just three casinos, but maybe even ten, imagine restoring Las Vegas to its former glory!
New Vegas will be a beacon, proof that the human race has risen above the ruins of the great war and overshadow it.
The NCR will no longer be able to annex Vegas, but their people won't help but be enamored and pine for the security and growth New Vegas offers. Their people will come in droves, and the money will come pouring back in, and it will only be the start.
And who else would look after the Mojave to ensure that this dream come true? Why the courier of course.
The courier is the safeguard to keep House in line.
House may say and even believe that the courier works for him, but the reality is the House is working FOR the courier.
The courier knows how simple it is to actually kill House - he just didnt do it. And Yes Man is still alive.
If House turns into a maniacal big brother old world blues dr mobius type, the courier can kill him or ensure that somebody can long after their death, if that unlikely event even remotely happens. brain rot wont affect him as he is flesh and bone and not a suspended brain ina tank.
Humanity will progress, and the courier would ensure it along with research from Big Mountain to help the wasteland and House if needed.
I cannot think of a better ending.
And if i have to play top employee to a snarky boss to ensure such a future, then that's fine by me.
All of that is moot considering you have access to all of his data. You're everything House was and more by the end of the game, strictly off of the fact you can walk outside and see the world for yourself and not rely on others to do your dirty work.
@@FaithfulFumoFan23 A true point, but having access to his data and being a technological and potentially immortal visionary interested only in the progress of the human race is another thing. The courier will die eventually as is canon by Old World Blues ending slides if you choose to leave your brain behind in Big MT. That's why for me it's worth keeping House alive.
@Blaise - Having access to his data means nothing without the brains and the vision to use it. A 10 INT courier is still just a courier after all.
@@mephiles17 You do know that level 10 for int is called omniscient aka knowing everything. So i think with enoufh time the courier can equal mr house
House: Why in the world did you attack President Kimball?
Courier: he wanted me to pay taxes
House: understandable
Yep
That's a mod sadly not cannon
As repetitive as those loltaxes videos get, I could definitely see it as a legitimate response.
Based Courier
@@readingslame4869 no
House did try to contact the Brotherhood. All of his securitrons were wiped out.
Pretty much, he wanted a deal and BoS didnt even greet him thats why he said to wipe them out.
House: Hello, i've come to stablish a deal with your people...
*Get's shot several times*
House: Well, fuck you too.
Alexander theMeh maybe the BOS didn't know.
Weren't the securitrons just scout and not messenger? When can you ask him about that in the game ?
@@ximitify Yes, but shooting a neutral scouts are not a good message you see? You dont shoot some kingdom scouts because it offends you. Its like declaring a war, and Mr. House, as a man with no heart and use logic, would probably know that there is no talk with them. Considering they shot his MK 1 securitron without even try to communicate, what if they find out about Mr house technology and all of his MK 2 securitron!?
Ox: Talks about how House charges insane prices on water
Purified water; 24 caps per pop: _Am I a joke to you?_
@Anthony Johnson Hoover Dam is under NCR control during the events of New Vegas, not under House.
Assuming that the exchange rate between caps and USD is 1:1 seems odd to me.
@@fiddlesticks2814 True. In fact, couldn't one calculate the exchange rate between USD and caps since you can literally sell USD for caps?
@@richyrich6099 Good thinking. I think each unit of pre war money is about 8 caps? Pre war money items come in stacks though, so it's hard to figure out the exact exchange rate. I'll take a look at the world model later to see if it specifies what types of bills they are.
@@fiddlesticks2814 I was actually just reading. Reddit thread on this not too long ago and, although not accurate due to the barter skill, using a 10 oz gold block from Sierra Madre and lts cost in real world USD should mean that, when translated to caps, 1 cap should equal $0.67 USD, meaning that the cap is worth more than the dollar. Problem with this calculation though is that your barter skill can change the value of the gold blocks as sold and despite having 10 oz written on them, each gold block is actually 35 lbs. So... the calculation could very well be wrong.
"Demigod from the past, demanding ownership from land already being used".
Pretty much the Sole Survivor from Fallout 4 in a nutshell.
Oh wow your sole survivor is an asshole then =O
Well... I kill everyone at every settlement except faction settlements...
"It's not a matter of "who owned it first"... but a matter of who can afford permanence now. I own this land now-and I'd like to avoide the circumstances that favored my ownership of the settlement. Mostly, for your own sake."
- Louise Delacroix, Operator, sole survivor and notorious land lord of the Commonwealth, to someone coming from far away...
@@krashface4870 I like your thoughts. In China there was a saying (from Mencius I think) about who should take the throne and the land: The land belongs to people, not an individual and should be ruled by the virtuous
For me I'd say it's closer to Enclave? About demanding their land part
I think the reason for keeping the Omertas in such a high position was so House could keep an eye on them easier; the best phrase to use for this would be “keep your friends close, and your enemies closer”.
Yep
That's pretty stupid. If they were outside the strip like the Khans or the Fiends they'd be just as weak.
@@MrJethrohaWhat better way to ingratiate people than to offer them power, as House did for the Omertas? Plus House empowered two other tribes (Chairmen and White Gloves), who would be distrustful of each other, and who would be able to observe what happens if the Omertas betrayed House, thus being incentivized to support him.
House keeping his enemies close in this regard was in fact brilliant.
@@se7enthedge382 Common cause of the member of your court but the court is divided focused on each others political intrigue instead of the Absolute monarch/autocrat!
Hose is brilliant but impatient especially to the Bos.
Mind have you ever known a gambling man to be patient or wise?
House is the best of bad choices as yes man, NCR are legion are worse for many reasons!
@@arnijulian6241you know the NCR is the ONLY faction who has a functional judicial system right? The NCR is going through a rough patch, but equating it to the legion? No way Jose
You do realize a bottle of water is like 20 caps right they get a gallon for 5 caps is actually a pretty good deal
I understand what you're trying to say and I understand what the original video is trying to say also... its hard to really take anything rationally into scale in the Fallout world.
Cause I pay $1.36 per cubic foot of tap water where I live in the summer. A cubic foot is roughly 7.5 gallons (960 ounces) . At the same time I can go to the super market and buy a 2.5 gallons (320 ounces) of water for $4, or a single gallon for $2. I can go buy an individual 17 ounce bottle of water for $2 at a restaurant or convenient store.
As you can see 5 caps per gallon may seem cheap when what I assume are probably 8 ounce water bottles costing 20 caps each. But you have to remember when you are a utility seller, usually you should have a way lower upfront cost than a retailer who has to source the product from multiple different distributors. Sure the random bars or merchants on the street are selling you a tiny bottle of water for 20 caps... but it doesn't mean 5 caps per gallon is good for the NCR considering the fact that they are buying directly from Mr House and buying in large bulk.
timbo slice per gallon they pump. All day, everyday, for the foreseeable future... that’s more then 20 caps by an exponential margin.
@@fumarc4501 If the ncr bottled and sold the water for 20 caps a pop, 5 caps/gal sold at 1.2 caps/ounce should more than cover post-apocalyptic overhead at 2600% flip.
@@keyboardwarrior6296 we need a fallout new Vegas 2. Either Oregon or lower
California/mexico.
armybear1 very well said couldn’t have said it better my which I wanted to but you said it much better lol
Bottlecaps are considered a "circumstantial currency". You can't really make an exchange rate because it's purely based of the circumstance, not the goods being sold.
Not only that, but if it were "1 cap = 1 dollar" the would have the equivalent of cents, which doesn't
I'm guessing that even if we force an exchange rate it's 1 cap = 10 cents
@@leonardo9259 the gold bars in the Sierra madre are estimated to be about 510 ounces. Each sells for 10,547 caps. A gold bar of that size today would go for about 919,163 usd, meaning that each bottle cap is worth about 87 dollars
@@childofflesh1591 literally where is estimated the weight of the bars
@@leonardo9259 in the players inventory they weigh 35 pounds each, or 510 Troy ounces
@@childofflesh1591 that's on me, that was a stupid question
There's a mod which restores the ability to spare the BoS as was originally intended for FNV. You have to be at least accepted by the BoS and then you have to pass a pretty high speech check with House in order to convince him to spare them. All of the dialogue is there and voiced, it was just not included for whatever reason in the final product.
Most likely Bethesda's bullshit deadline. They didn't give the developers of NV enough time to finish the game.
@Lord Barometer The option to spare the BoS, I believe, only happens if McNamara is still in charge. I don't have a computer though, and even if I did, I'd be too far in the depths of Utah or Denver to give you an exact answer. It Is possible as an outcome though - if the Courier is involved and you play your cards right.
I think I remember jsawyer saying it was removed to make the player second guess if Mr.House is the right choice.
I heard it was done because it would make House too popular of a choice and I believe you need to be a member of the BOS to get the option with the mod on. Regardless the dialogue basically has the Courier influencing the BOS to withdraw even more than before and agreeing that if they ever really become a threat to House that the Courier would deal with them personally. Judging how this chapter of the BOS refuses to change, they won't really ever be a threat for the army of MK II securitrons let alone the Courier.
To be honest, why wouldn't House completely wipe them off the face of Vegas? I think Obsidian removing that option is completely reasonable. Having BoS in your backyard is no different from planing a bomb in your pants? BoS is going to stab House in the back because of how many technology House has. Don't forget that the BoS are all and all technology hoarders.
House was actually giving a good deal.
The NCR allowed the Kings to charge 10 caps a sip. Anything over results in a fight.
As others wrote, House did try to negotiate with the BoS. But what people often forget is that the Fallout 3 BoS was an anomaly. The mainstream BoS are xenophobic hostile technology hoarders who are unwilling to change or cooperate. They are not "good guys". Maybe they were back when the original general Maxson (who founded the BoS) was alive and in charge, but not by the time of Fallout NV.
Overall, House is the best option for me. Sure, the guy is an arrogant autocrat with a massive ego. But he is reasonable. His methods work. The proof is evident in New Vegas' existence. In fact, as he himself explained, a lot more would have survived, had the platinum chip arrived in time. The man has the intellectual capacity, determination, and business acumen to actually reinvigorate a technological civilization. I also like to think that the Courier, with all of his/her resourcefulness, gathers enough influence to soften House up to be more open to a softer rule. House didn't see all of these factions, their problems, their goals; the Courier did. If I were House, I'd listen to the Courier, given how much he/she has achieved, and how skilled he/she is.
To contrast it, look at the other options. NCR are spread too thin and need a similarly civilized neighbouring region to keep them in check (they were showing signs of delusions of grandeur), Caesar's Legion would be a further regression away from civilization (and without Caesar it would anyway devolve into barbaric tribes bickering among themselves and eventually fall apart), the Yes Man would be an unstable rule (the Courier's no ruler).
I agreed up until the end. Why would the courier be no ruler? Remember, u are the courier.
Honestly, if the courier are just normal courier. No quest, not helping any faction, just doing what a courier do. Mr house will be the one that is most likely to win the hoover dam battle, Benny will be caught sooner or later.
@@WhatsAfterThisPlace The courier is one man/woman. No man rules alone. With Yes Man unable to assist with logistics (due to shutting himself down for reprogramming), it would be impossible for the Courier to coordinate all of the tasks necessary to rule over a city by himself. He/she would have to delegate most affairs of state to his underlings in New Vegas, and if there's one thing we know for certain about the Courier, it's that he/she hates working through others.
The Courier wants to take a personal role in everything that happens in New Vegas, and rarely trusts anyone else to do what needs to be done. This tells me that the Courier would have little patience for setting up a power structure, coordinating affairs of state with his lieutenants, or sitting in an office doing paperwork and awaiting updates from his agents. When there's a problem, he'd always rather go there and solve it himself than send someone else to do it. Which is a very poor quality for the leader of such a large community to have.
yep. the legion is in it's last days with caesar on his deathbed. no one else in the legion is fit for rule. the NCR can't protect new vegas. they have a hard time patrolling the lands they already own, much less adding a large region like the mojave. yes man is way too unstable.
even as cruel as some of house's methods may be, he's still the only person in new vegas able to comprehend everything around him and manage it at the same time. he will bring humanity around to it's former glory, kicking and screaming if need be. let's face it. the post fallout 2 world is devoid of people who can lead on house's level. that's why everything is still small factions.
@@dragonslair951167 The Courier can always hire other people (Joshua Graham, the Think Tank, Chief Hanlon, Arcade Gannon, the Boomers, the Enclave Remnants) to help them rule Vegas.
1 cap doesnt equal 1 dollar. dirty water costs you like 10 caps and its about a liter or so. 5 caps for a gallon is a deal
we can't really get the exact price of water since the supply isn't the same as we have today but the cap value based on the gold standard would be about 50 times higher than a moddern dollar since we know that a gold bar from the siera madre has a value of 10600ish while a real gold bar is 512000 dollars but the price of 5 caps for a gallon is pretty high since most people in the universe are really poor, it is usually a few individuals, large organizations and the protagonists are rich enough to pay such prices.
You always sell pre war money for 5 caps.
yea but that isn't really a good comparison because the dollar lost its value because it is too burnt and when selling pre war money it is always in bunches rather than 1 dollar for five caps
@@thewitheringproduction1761 ok but why would gold be the same price in a wasteland? sure it can be minted into currency, which is why it has any value at all, but it wouldn't be remotely as valuable.
the supply would be high (less people, tons of prewar gold reserves, old scrap electronics) and the demand is low (inability to make electronics with it which is its main use, the lack of expendable income for the average person meaning a lack of luxery and by extension gold purchases.), meaning the price would also be very low.
“Why you build synths?”
“You wouldn’t understand”
Bethesda 10/10
they're way better at building interesting worlds but hey! if I ever want to play a game that loves shoving the same damn song down your throat a bajillion times a day *looks at Johnny Guitar* and if I enjoy looking at orange everywhere I go then whoopee, NV has me covered
GenericUsername okay incel
@@hazzaspazza err what?
@@GenericUsername-qp1ww because no other fallout game ever did that ever
GenericUsername you’re just looking at Johnny guitar because it’s the only one you notice. NV is set in a desert, so it’s got a desert look throughout the map. Bethesda’s fallout 4 has a map that looks good I guess? But the minutemen are stupid with their approach, the railroad and BoS are stupid and close-minded with their approach, and every ending except the institute is exactly the same. You can’t be in the railroad and treaty with the BoS, not because the railroad wouldn’t want to, but because you’re undercover in the institute and you don’t even get the option to tell the BoS you’re not actually the enemy. By the way, not EVERY companion needs to be bi, it just doesn’t make sense statistically. How about the DLC almost all having connections with the world in NV, with the characters in each DLC being referenced in great lengths in the base game before either appearing in the DLC or having already been there (BM). Fallout 4’s and many of 3’s come out of basically nowhere, with no preconceived tie-ins with the actual game. “They’re way better at building interesting worlds but hey!” I mean it’d be nice if you brought up a point other than “city game is city, desert game look like desert”
So this year I finally replaced New Vegas, and I chose House once again. I definitely don’t think he’s a perfect choice, but I love him, he’s such a cool character. I think he is genuinely the coolest character in Fallout ever, and I was completely sold on my original play through when he said he could have people in space without 50 years. I feel like a lot of the points about him not having claims to the land aren’t really so true when you consider the context, if he didn’t destroy the 68 of the 77 nukes targeting the Mojave, it might’ve ended up in a similar situation to the Capital Wasteland. When you consider that so few nukes hit the Mojave, it makes the lack of radiation in this game make a lot more sense.
He’s literally Jeffrey bezos with a Mustache. Fuck that rich prewar autocratic strip of beef jerky.
Same I picked house first only to pick him again when I played again
I got a degree in political science, and pragmatically speaking, forward thinking autocrats do better at creating democracy out of anarchy than if you just jump straight to democracy out of anarchy. You need a strong, cohesive foundation to build a liberal democracy out of. That's why so many of the successful democracies in Europe were originally kingdoms with strong institutions. The United States is the exception that proves the rule, as its framework for law and order was built out of the English system that had been slowly liberalizing for centuries since the Magna Carta. As such, I think House, claims to New Vegas or not, will do the most to push humanity forward. When his biogel stops working and his body starts to fail, hopefully he'll be wise enough to have built institutions to replace him. Which he appears to be.
In my game, Mr house didn't kill off the king's, he even rewarded them for attacking NCR
Yes but attacking the squatters isn't very nice.......still a pretty good sacrifice compared to the alternative.
I think your best point is his poor judge of character.
He trusted the Omerta's, and they betrayed him.
He trusted Benny, and he betrayed him.
He trusted you, and 3/4 endings you betray him.
He couldn't trust the BoS, when McNamara would be very willing to cooperate.
And worst of all... he trusts himself.
He trusts in 'My judgement'. When he clearly has a track record of having an awful judgement.
Political savvy and business orientated as he is, he's a terrible diplomat.
+Memebyerin
That's what endears his character.
In his time he would be the most powerful man alive. But now he's like the wise (prewar) grandfather that occasionally relies on your help from time to time.
People whining that a character who isn't supposed to read minds can't read minds.
He suspects the Omertas and has you investigate them
He didn't trust Benny but thought he could be controlled by incentives
The Courier is depends on the individual however he doesn't trust the Courier and tries to control him/her using incentives.
He has never heard or spoken with McNamara and long term neutrality is unsustainable because of the BoS' beliefs
He managed to create one of the most profitable companies in the world (prior to the war) with barely anything, predict the war and protect the Strip. It's logical for him to trust himself when he sees everything else turn to shit. Doesn't make it right or wrong but I thought I'd point it out.
Lets not forget that he got tricked out of his inheritance by his half brother
McNamara would never cooperate with House. Yes Man even warns you that it was a bad decision to ignore the Brotherhood if you don't destroy them because they would never allow someone to control an army of robots.
Rip for the voice actor of mr House
sad, i just found that out, Rene Auberjonois, Died Dec 9 2019 his two biggest roles were as Robert House in Fallout NV and Odo the Changeling in Star Trek Deep Space Nine, least as far as i know of his roles.
@@UltimateGamerCC He was also: Karl Schäfer, Father John Patrick "Dago Red" Mulcahy, Colonel West, Inspector Keller, Professor William Tewksbury, Professor William Tewksbury, Chef Louis, Dr. Nogood, Steppenwolf, Talos, Pepé Le Pew, and more.
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22.06 could sware that this voice is the same as for Sasuke Uchiha from Naruto.
@@Bartlomiej_Ciernioch he is
Okay but hear me out: He has a Moustache.
Caesar, Kimball and Yes Man do not have Moustaches.
So he is a good choice and the rest all suck.
Yeah this about settles it
Well he's got like a half-beard bald head thing going on, disregarding his computer monitor showing him when he was younger
That just the computer screen. You'll be singing a different tune when you see his body😖
@@kingnamor777 That cock still be wild tho.
To be fair, he does have a moustache on his real body, unruly and messy as it is.
R.I.P René Auberjonois
8/12 2019
aww man now I feel sad, they should have read Mr House's obituary at the funeral
He died one year too early!
@@JonatasAdoM he chose so, he was terminally ill.
18:00
He's not gambling. He's using incentives and deincentives like any businessman. But who can predict someone playing a game where no matter what they do no actual consequence can come to their actual selves. They can die in game but they can always reload, and money just becomes useless after they have the best gear.
Mr.House's response only works for a real person living in that world. You're a player who can choose to suddenly go psychopath because it's fun.
You would think he would send some other people he trusts as well at least.
Waitwhat469 the thing is that the courier had an invitation to go into the bunker with only their gear,but the chip as well. Bringing another person would be unnecessary since you’ve proven your loyalty by just bringing him the chip without a second thought
To be fair, a person who survives being shot in the head and then proceeds to hunt their attacker across the desert at tremendous personal risk to themselves doesn't suggest the most stable individual
A businessman is still a gambler of sorts. They'll take chances and weigh risk and reward to make decisions. Of course, especially in House's case, those risks are calculated, not just carelessly throwing assets to the wind and just hoping it will just happen to work out your way. And any good businessman will rig the situation in their favor through negotiation and bargaining.
@@blackosprey2219 this comment aged well considering the gamestop stock event...
Expert stock brokers throwing money at something they didng understand only to lose millions possibly billions because they "gambled" it.
That feeling when you realize The Outer Worlds might just be an extension of New Vegas assuming the House ending is canon
Taking into Account the Creators of New Vegas are supposedly the same well yeah it was their idea in first place and chronologically it could be Outer world's is in 2390 rite?
@@ivanpaulurias7664 Absolutely
SHIT
Well the ending of Outer Worlds said the fleet never returned, assuming they returned to Earth and impossible to get back in space...probably building a new faction somewhere in the U.S?
@@ivanpaulurias7664 also there's a terminal on the first planet that mentions a "great war" in one of it's entries
So, I've done the maths.
(probably wrong, feel free to correct me)
(I got it wrong, someone corrected me)
The gold bars from Dead Money weigh 35 pounds each, about 560 ounces. IRL gold prices for June 2021 are around $1777.25 USD/oz. Times 560 is $995260 US per bar. The bars are worth 10547 caps (NVC) each. 995260/10547=94.36, therefore 1 NVC = $94.36 USD.
House's rates for water and power, 5 NVC per gallon and kWh respectively, therefore translates to $472 per unit. Compare this to Oxhorn's quotes of $0.0085/gal and $0.1223/kWh, combined to a total of $0.1308USD verses $944 for House's 10 cap offer.
Thanks KMP
$995260 USD per bar
10547 NVC per bar
995260/10547 = $94.36 USD per NVC, not caps per dollar. That puts the rest of the math off by almost 4 orders of magnitude. Well, assuming something else didn't go wrong, but it doesn't look like it.
@@kmp8563 By jeez, you're right. Well that's embarrassing. I'm gonna have to re-do this. Thanks for pointing it out.
But holy crap, that makes life expensive in the post apocalypse. For example, the value of a laser pistol is $16,513, NCR Ranger armour is $707,700, a can of Cram is $472, and the services of a prostitute will cost you $9436-$28,308. That post-war inflation, eh?
Originally I hadn't cross-referenced prices for these everyday items. Calculating it my way puts things way on the low end of the price range. Realistic maybe for old west dollar values, if you want to roll play the Mojave Wasteland like that, but ultimately a flawed calculation.
@@rus0004 I think the price of the gold bars is probably the issue here, who's to say they're really still "worth" that much to people? I'd imagine that gold in the post-apocalypse is probably seen as less valuable because it's not really a practical thing to have in a survival situation.
Which also ties into the concept of inflation, just in a kind of reversed way. Still, the fact that people will pay you a measly 250 caps for killing someone and/or risking your life probably means that caps really are worth a lot more than $USD, so life is probably still very expensive in New Vegas. It's a cool topic to think about. Paying 30,000 caps for GRA weapons in the DLC is an Elon Musk level purchase lmao
@@kmp8563 True. An item is worth what people are willing to pay for it. Who knows how your typical wastelander places such values.
Though if you think about it, given the "post-post-apocalypse" setting of New Vegas, those bars might even be worth considerably more than they could have been a few years prior.
But we're probably putting far too much thought into fictional currencies and exchange rates.
Could you do me one last favour and check my revision. If it's still wrong after all this I'll just delete the comment altogether.
I think the courier being easily able to kill House at any moment (he's made a Lieutenant and trusted by House) is enough of a check if you're playing a good karma character. At that point, it's the judgement of two people, and not one. Of course that is still several people too few, but it's not completely unchecked power.
House knows damn well what the Courier is capable of; the dude went from being a simple delivery boy to his right-hand man- crushed the NCR, killed the BoS, got the Boomers on their side (a literal xenophobic tribe that’s willing to blow up anything that gets too close without a second thought), and fight off The Legion.
Not to mention fight through several wasteland problems like raiders, mutants, ghouls, and radiation.
honest you really think house would leave the courier alive after hoover dam?
@@wackpendejo3000 It took about 200 years for anyone to show up in the Mojave who were anywhere near possessing House’s ability to get things done. One of them is Caesar, and the other is the Courier. Caesar’s obviously not a controllable pawn, so House would be very foolish to squander the utter political power of the Courier, who can bend entire factions to their will with mere words.
@@BrentStarling but why does he need that? house said it himself, after his army takes over hoover dam, he can put people in orbit after 100 years... so what need does he have of the courier?
@@wackpendejo3000 Stability, the guy is speaking about a good karma courier, he is a example of a good person in a world in ruins, and will become a wasteland legend after he dies, having him at his side would be beneficial to House considering his fame and his skills to be a efficient killer and his ability to make deals sway people to his side
Besides House is a person that honors his contracts, he wouldn't kill him because of the contract they formed when he was helped by the courier
"He's just one man"......... who saved vegas, built a multi billion dollar company, survived the Great War, still alive after 200 years and has a army of military grade robots
The Big MT and the institute are HUGE evidence to what happens when you leave technology to boogeymen like House. And it's further evidence that you don't need House for scientific development when other people are actually capable, so long as you have a nation to educate, maintain and spread that level of technology. The man has been awake for over a century, he chose to be an oppressive land lord, whose main goal was to expand in the end game while sucking caps through gambling.
Rebuild what? There is no evidence of rebuilding anything other than newer war machines to further control the strip and other people to do his bidding. Then you completely disregard the single-greatest civilized nation in the whole Fallout lore (who provided shelter, food and water for 700,000 of their citizens through long-term economic stability and sustainable sources) because they aren't perfect? That's fucking crazy.
Not to mention the fact that he's slowly rebuilding infrastructure, doing his best to bring in more people and more money, and one example to prove he is helping the Wasteland as a whole, he's rebuilding the monorail to allow people from far and wide to make their living in the strip. He provides shelter, security, and though it may be at a premium, he is in fact selling at least water. He's also making space for people to set up their own businesses near the strip, allowing them themselves to assist in reconstructing society. Sure he wants to rule over it all, but seeing how he shot down all those nukes, for that alone he deserves the area covered by his defenses.
@@dirtpounder Guy has been awake for over a century and the comparison between him and the development of shady sands does not even compare. It's a square kilometer VS the entire landscape of California. It's 700,000 citizens VS Petty crime gangs. House lied to you, for every good thing he did post-war, NCR did it literally 1000 times better. Rebuild what? There is no evidence of rebuilding anything other than newer war machines to further control the strip and other people to do his bidding. Then you completely disregard the single-greatest civilized nation in the whole Fallout lore (who provided shelter, food and water for 700,000 of their citizens through long-term economic stability and sustainable sources).
@@dirtpounder Guy has been awake for over a century and the comparison between him and the development of shady sands does not even compare. It's a square kilometer VS the entire landscape of California. It's 700,000 citizens VS Petty crime gangs. House lied to you, for every good thing he did post-war, NCR did it literally 1000 times better. Rebuild what? There is no evidence of rebuilding anything other than newer war machines to further control the strip and other people to do his bidding. Then you completely disregard the single-greatest civilized nation in the whole Fallout lore (who provided shelter, food and water for 700,000 of their citizens through long-term economic stability and sustainable sources).
@@johnanderson3899 I feel like yall arguing in the YT comment section over a video game is 'fucking crazy' lol.
11:11 gotta admit, I sided with house simply due to his apparent conviction to this plan.
Likewise.
A man with a plan.
House said he’d get to space settlements in a 100 years which definitely leads to the Borderlands games so I’m down with his plan.
16:30 To be fair House had no choice. He needed an army and tried to recruit the local tribes. Out of all of them the three Families including the Omertas were the only ones to accept. Thus House had to make do with what he had. Besides I think he kept the Omertas around for the same reason Megatron kept Starscream around. He knows the omertas cannot be trusted so he knows to keep his guard up at all times.
5:08 what are you talking about he did nothing to protect it? Freeside is part of Vegas, which he protected, or is there some sign of a nuke going off there somewhere?
It's also worth noting that house became active again in 2274. The treaty with the NCR was signed that same year, and the dam also went back online in that same year.
House built the strip in a couple months. Sure, ofc the place is gonna be flawed, but you can't honestly say you would expect him to do better.
Sure, freeside is pretty shit, but the only reason it exists at all is because those people went there hoping for a better life. Before Vegas existed, there wasn't even hope to be had.
7:07 My dude, the price of a bottle of water is 20 caps and weighs one pound. There are 8.34 pounds in a gallon of water, so even if House was charging 160 per gallon he would still be below the norm. 5 caps is an absolutely insanely good deal.
7:55 Ok, so, in caps the price of water that house set is 59 times as high as the current price of water is in dollars.
Let's also use water to estimate value of caps in relation to dollars.
A gallon bought in stores is about $1.22 on average. A gallon in the wasteland is about 167 caps. Going by that metric, a cap is worth less than a cent (or, to be slightly more exact, 0.73 cents).
House is supplying water at well under half the cost that you said it was in seattle.
It's basically like hes operating a non-profit that supplies water to the NCR. You pointing this out and prompting me to calculate this has actually made me think more highly of House.
8:11 "well, we know how little we get payed for doing jobs in the wasteland, so ofc that must be representative of the NCR (paraphrasing, obviously)" is like saying the money you might get payed for doing some odd jobs in mexico is representative of the average income in the US.
8:25 and 8:38 this is just madness. Yeah, if caps were the same as dollars those prices would be insane. However, there is absolutely no reason to assume as much.
In fact, with the conversion rate I calculated above, of $1=0.0073 caps, that price isn't really all that ridiculous. About the equivalent of $263 for power, and $87.6 for water monthly. Power cost is at about 2.5 times the average cost of the US ($110.21 in 2013), for water the average cost for a family is $70 per month, Houses would be about $394 , so well over five times as much.
That's a fairly significant markup from what we expect in the US today, but it's important to remember that fallout takes place in a nuclear wasteland that wouldn't even qualify as a third world nation today, you ever see anyone in the wasteland flush a toilet? How about take a shower or bath? Use a washing machine?(they might have all these over in the NCR, but if they did, you would think they would also exist on the strip, which is full of luxury resorts.) How many people in the NCR do you think have an AC? (I'm not even sure ACs exist in fallout btw, never heard one referenced, or seen one, which seems odd, considering where the game takes place, and that patrolling the mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.) Basically I sincerely doubt they are anywhere near as wasteful with water or power as we are.
8:49 But the NCR must have other sources for water and power. Why on earth does it make sense to assume they would decide to import enough water/power to destabilize their whole country? They have been doing fine so far. Their economy is booming. The NCR is supposed to be at the apex of its power. That's the only reason they ever agreed to protect the wasteland in exchange for water and power. They, at the time anyway, could afford to spend on luxury commodities.
9:10 while I'm sure the NCR will decline, I really doubt their decisions about importing water/power are gonna be the main cause for much strife. In fact, I'm willing to bet overextending themselves to protect Hoover-dam and Vegas are probably far more harmful to them.
From the wiki:
"(...)occupation of Hoover Dam has improved access to electricity and water, but at the cost of straining its budget and embroiling its armed forces in a morally corrosive imperialist project.[2]
(...) treaty with Mr. House and the three families compel it to allocate 5% of the dam's electrical and water production to local use free of charge. Adding insult to injury, the NCR is locked into protecting New Vegas from invasion by Caesar's Legion even as it receives not one cap in tax revenue from the Strip's highly lucrative resort operations."
Conjecture here, but if they balk at the idea of 5% going to Vegas, I highly doubt they would divert any to the rest of the wasteland after they annex the place, (which makes me highly unsympathetic to any self caused plights).
I'm gonna stop there. Already got way too invested in this. XD
Insanely good rebuttal here man, I love Oxhorn's videos, but he clearly screws up so many factors.
Is this a god?
Truly amazing analysis and so many facts!
nice one the only thing that i would say is that we can never know the true value of caps in the real world for example if we find a gold bar in the fallout waste land it is worth 10000 plus caps or 10539 the base value (in new Vegas) and i gold bar is 35 ibs(if you look closely the bar in the game says 10 oz) now in the dead money dlc if you play it right you can get around 37 gold bars which would be around 370 oz of gold total.
10,539 is the total base value of caps per each gold bar.
one gold bar costs of 35 ibs or 15.8757 kg would be 670,372.23 dollars
and 370 oz would be 485,954.30 and would be worth in new Vegas 389943
and in fallout 4 it would be 16650
so we can never find out the true value of caps as the gold standard is different in different
ares in the fallout universe
hope you see this
muchos gracias
"House has been asleep for 200 years"
Sounds like someone else we know who's been asleep for 210 years and is untainted as hell.
(We're looking at you, Sole Survivor of Vault 111.)
To eb devil's advocate, I think it's because Mr House was NOT cyrogennically preserved but constantly awake trying to mantian the power outages of the lack of the Platinum chip, and then watching from the Lucky 38 about the surrounding of Vegas.
I was thinking more about Walt Disney, but that works too.
Nice GuP waifu
He was constantly awake tho
Man slept for 210 years
House was awake the entire time trying to get his shit together
Guess who has more experience ?
You can't compare our prices of electricity and water to fallout's: that's like comparing the prices of them here in Seattle versus in a desert somewhere.
In fact, 58x the price is an insane deal: that's cheaper than the water in flint.
tfw the lead in the water protects you from radiation
one cap = one bottle of water originally do bottles to caps and work from there. it's bad... real bad.
okay now i'm curious about how buying a bottle of water works. because a water bottle has a cap on it, so that would mean it's free water...
Peter Daniel Berg oh sorry. That's what it used to represent back at the hub then inflation quickly ruined the system.
Ahh, I see. Do the caps on the water bottles never count as caps the currency? Been a long time since I played.
I was hoping you'd mention House is surprisingly easy to outsmart and kill. Idk, i'm not sure if it's meant to be interpreted this way, but he constantly goes on and on about partaking data-driven decisions, yet doesn't seem to realize how much of a threat you are. Even when he seems to know you know about Yes Man, or when you've proven capable of wiping out entire factions, he continues to talk down on you while being by far the easiest major character in the game to kill. I saw that as an indication that maybe he doesn't possess the record or the technological prowess he talks about, and is merely smooth-talking you into working for him. I mean, autocrats are known for making grandiose promises to keep their subordinates on the line, I don't think Obsidian missed the theme.
"autocrats are known for making grandiose promises to keep their subordinates on the line" Every politician does that lmao.
He tries to manipulate you into joining him right from the start which is all he can really except try and have you killed but then he can't commence his plan.
I think it has more to do with his arrogance and the fact that he thinks everyone can be bought. He offers you a pay raise and has you dug out of that grave and helps you because he trusts you to be a good courier and track down and deliver his package.
In terms of luxury and monetary gain he offers the most. He has a business focused mindset and doesn’t know how to deal with someone whose loyalty can’t be bought.
House's plans have plans. Think about it. He had *no* defenses after the only terminal needed to reach him? And didn't have complete control over that terminal when he did for everything else? The same man who miscalculated nuclear armageddon by 20 *hours*? The same man who found the platinum chip after an almost 200 year hibernation?
My guess is we didn't outsmart him. His computers in the Lucky 38 still had all of his processes running, which for all intents and purposes, were *him*. Even his protests about his lifeboat being opened seem...disingenuous.
House knows he can't do everything he wants for humanity from the confines of the Lucky 38. So how does he achieve that? His Old World body has to die, so his peers, the Institute, can upload his mind into a synth. A crazy theory? Perhaps, but if anyone can figure out how to download a human mind into a computer, and then upload it into an immortal synth body, it's Robert E. House, especially with Yes Man seemingly going dark after the battle of Hoover Dam. Even before Fallout 4, I have always thought of that to be incredibly suspicious.
It’s not that deep lol new Vegas was just a rush job realistically House would be impossible to kill unless you blew your way into the lucky 38 somehow but obviously they realized they made a character way to overpowered late into development so they just made it that you could easily gain access into his inner chamber with damn terminal on the wall and if you go on a murderous rampage on the strip he just decides not to close the 38 off lmao seriously do you think the smartest man alive would leave the key to his house under the doormat
Ox, I love your videos, but I don't think it's fair for you to compare House's power and water bills to the ones in real life. Clean water is notoriously difficult to come by in the post-apocalyptic wasteland, and enormous sources of natural power are even more so. Besides, 5 caps can't even get you 1 purified water in-game, so a gallon actually seems generous. And the caps currency system is not nearly as cohesive (or restrictive) as one run by an upright government, meaning your average wasteland joe can probably do things to get caps that would be considered illegal in our society.
As for why he overcharges the NCR, it's probably because a) They can afford it, b) They're kind of a liability in the Mojave, not really accomplishing any one task effectively but rather ten tasks on a mediocre level. Oh, and c) because he can :P
He forgot that renting a room for the night is 100 caps, and it usually comes with a hooker. In an establishment that looks worse than a third world country hovel !
And honestly, the NCR really needs to be put in check. Too much success isn’t good for you, and in the case of the NCR, maybe being humbled is for the best. The isolationist Chief Hamlin becomes a prominent senator, and maybe he can get the NCR to root out it’s corruption issues before it’s too late.
8 years and no perfect option
Damn I love the moral questions
I got a question for you.
Would you rather fight 100 toddlers one after another or 50 toddler at once
@@Brando216 I did both of those yester day
@@schizoidhavingagoodtime2837 Lad you are wasting your time arguing with a leftist (sorry for spelling wrong English isn't my native tongue )
@Leftist, Fag-Loving, God Hating Commie although i agree that the enclave suck hard, dude really u believe that in a devasteted world the ideology of left and right would still count for something ? i mean really ? survival and rebuilding will be the only option. individual freedom? and you call the other ones naive. in such a world communities would matter not individual freedoms.
@@who7657 of course you , Hitler, would support a genocidal enclave whose going to kill everyone who didnt grow up in a vault/enclave . this means enclave wants to kill ANY who have been exposed to enough radiation, so. every single wastelander human would also die .
Didn't House challenge the overseer of Vault 21 to a game of luck which both sides agreed to the terms that House would get ownership of the vault? I don't think he 'stole' the vault from the dwellers since they directly agreed to the terms.
Unless House was going to take it anyway and makes my entire comment invalid. Im not sure.
I thought there was evidence he played it so he couldn't lose
@@BillehBobJoe Truth is, the game was rigged from the start.
I haven't played it in a while but I think it's implied he cheated
It’s not cheating if you don’t get caught, other guy should have cheated harder, JoJo has taught me that
"If you want to know the fate of democracy, look out the window"
And if you want to know the fate of aturky look at freeside
@@combatarcher3101 what makes you think that free side represents autarky? I only know of one country that ever practiced autarky. It became an economic superpower in 6 years then it took a coalition of 51 countries 6 years to destroy it.
@@VictorianTimeTraveler Germany was anything but an economic superpower and good job putting WW2 WAY out of context
That quote is bullshit thought because at the time the bombs fell neither the US or China were in any way democratic nations, China even less so and it's far more likely that they dropped the bombs than the US as there was American troops literally IN China by October 2077. Even if you follow one of the theories that either Vault Tec or the Zetans started the great war the whole point about it being democracy's fault is null
@@VictorianTimeTraveler Nazi Germany still tried to force itself into international trade and basically succeeded in doing so, it would be dishonest to call them purely an Autarky (and the fuck do you mean they're "the only country and ever practiced Autarky", the USSR famously tried something very similar via War Communism and it sucked so bad they changed everything with the NEP where they relentlessly pursued international trade)
Elder McNamara may be a reasonable man, but what about his successor or his successors successor? Somewhere down the line a Brotherhood elder is going to go to war with House if left alone.
The youth already are leaving and the org is tiny and getting smaller.
It's best to let them reform or die off.
You say House did nothing to protect Freeside, but as he said the 77 nukes targeted New Vegas as well as the areas surrounding it and of the 77 nukes he destroyed 68, it is likely that he protected much of the Mojave from the nukes.
Then why didn't he tried to save THE WHOLE COUNTRY? because he knew that if he saved such a large area, he wouldn't be able to control it as he wanted. House wants to be worshiped or saving a continent means the president would still be the leader, not him.
@@Djivaan56 2:53 he answers your question
The Platinum Chip didn't arrive on time, he specifically admitted that he didn't do as well with destroying the nukes as he could have. He's not a deity.
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mister nobody, pour vous servir Are you seriously blaming House for not stopping the *entire world* from getting nuked? Do you hear yourself right now?
I chose House because I wanted access to all that delicious pre-war banana-nut ice cream in the back freezer of the Lucky 38 :)
Honey, Jimmy can get you your banana nut ice cream and it's just 200 caps.
HOLD ON A SECOND. I chose House and I NEVER got ANY delicious pre-war banana-nut icecream! I FEEL BETRAYED. DEATH TO HOUSE!
I actually think house does technically own vault 21, because when he tried to take it the dwellers of the vault put the fate of the vault up to a game of black jack,which house won
Yeah Ox raises a good point. If he cheated the game, then he is a horrible person. If he did not cheat the game, he put a big part in the future of vegas on chance.
@@tysorestsl2898 Lmao if he didn't cheat hes a moron. The dude put almost a million caps into the couriers route for the platinum chip and ran a network of misinformation for it. He totally cheated. The only reason there are holes in his plan is because the player character has to fill them. A person like Mr. House is legitimately the only sane choice in a dystopian nuclear hellscape.
People just don't like him because hes a mean "dictator" and doesn't stroke the players ego like the other factions do.
@@pokeman5000 I actually like Mr. House. Though I believe all factions in the game are morons without The Courier on their side. I also believe it is extremely weird that Mr. House places all this responsibility on a simple Courier. House expects the Courier to go way beyond what the initial job is.
@@tysorestsl2898 By the time he’s begun putting serious responsibilities on you, you’ve already proven to be extremely resourceful (getting to Vegas TAKES TIME and you will be rather leveled unless you take some kind of cheese route, and he’s watching you every step of the way)
@@tysorestsl2898 if the player would be a normal courier he wouldnt have chaised benny across the majove and get the chip back to house. That shows house how special the courier is. Also he promisses a lot and has the best rewards for the courier. Most people would probablly choose house if they were in the position of the courier.
According to Pre-war money's value, one dollar has a value of 10 caps. So he's charging the NCR 50 cents for a gallon of water and a single kilowatt hour. It's actually a pretty good deal, especially considering the rarity of clean water and desperate need for electricity.
Grey Son It's really quite hard to determine the value of bottlecaps when compared to pre-war money. Keep in mind that the pre-war money we encounter in-game are always bundles of dollar bills, and I don't think their value can be identified by looking at them. Since they aren't in circulation as a currency anymore, pre-war money is likely just bought as a crafting material. It should probably also be considered that there's an entirely different population and market post-war compared to pre-war.
You find the bills in bundles, but there is a set number of bills in each bundle. A single bill is worth 10 bottle caps. A single cap is worth 10 cents. How much value you can place on these things during an actual trade depends on your mercantile skills. Any currency is only worth what someone is willing to trade for it in terms of goods and services. At the time of Fallout 3 and New Vegas, a single pre-war USD is worth 10 caps. At the time of Fallout 4, a single pre-war USD is worth 8 caps. The dollar is losing value to the bottle cap.
Most traders accept pre-war money in trade, a few don't. Look hard enough and you will eventually find someone that will even accept that damned charge card. It all depends on how good a salesman your character is.
I believe that from a purely immersive stance, the different bundles are supposed to contain different amounts of bills and perhaps different bills (in terms of monetary value.) I find it hard to believe that each stack of bills the courier finds has the same amount of bills and exact same value. That's what leads me to believe that in the game, pre-war money is viewed more as a crafting resource or collector's item rather than an actual currency. In this, I mean that the value of the bills and such are not even considered, since every single bundle you come across is worth the exact same. I'm no economist by any means, but that's how I interpret it.
Grey Son I'd say so
But that assumes that pre-war money is worth the same after the apocalypse as it is today, which I find hard to believe.
I think you're a little... Short on this one, Ox.
- House may not have much of any moral right to annex freeside... But there isn't a perfect option for them in any scenario bar independence. And you're... Partially wrong about House's ending with the Kings - In one scenario, the Kings launch an attack on the NCR and house looks upon them favorably for doing so, sparing the kings and leaving them alone.
- As for water and power, there are two reasons it's expensive compared to today's utility costs... They're both pretty obvious. One being that Water and Power are nowhere near as common in the fallout universe, that and people in the wasteland use power and water far, far, far less than the people of our modern society do- (Scarcity = Inflation). And the other... That House wants to stick it to the NCR and teach them a lesson in capital after they tried to weasel New Vegas out from under him. It also won't destabilize the NCR, as they have their own power and water sources outside of the dam.
- House isn't saying anything along the lines of Autocrats being more 'pure' and less trigger happy than democrats or communists. He's simply telling you how he'd do it and why he'd do it that way. He isn't trying to justify anything at all - he's simply pointing out that the other options aren't likely to go as well. As for... 'Trusting' him, when your other choices are a revisionist warlord, a corrupt bureaucrat or a murderous mailman with no economic or political experience... It becomes obvious why you'd pick house.
- As for wisdom, I'll just say that he *absolutely* cheated.
All in all - I agree with you final statement in that there are no perfect choices.
Yeah, Kings don't necessarily get attacked. You turn the Kings against the NCR, House sees it as loyalty.
Exactly my thoughts.
I will add that putting high price on water is necessary to keep the lake sustainable. The NCR will absolutely suck the lake dry if left unchecked (at the profit of oligarchs).
I also believe that House doesn’t seek profits. I seeks power for the sake of progress, in the long run. New Vegas profits are just a mean to an end. House has no need of money for himself.
If we go by the cost of purified water a gallon of water is about 160 caps. So 5 caps to a gallon is a massive discount.
Lol @ murderous mailman.
Really great points here!
That Murderous mailman is just as rich and powerful as Mr. House at the end of the game, after conquering the Big MT.
11:10
So The Outer Worlds clearly exists in the Fallout universe with House as the canonical victor of the Mojave :P
ZergrushEddie Both made by obsidian
@cinna banana the canon ending has never been confirmed
cinna banana in outer worlds universe house is cannon
@cinna banana What made you think the NCR ending was cannon?
Or the NCR spared him.
The dialogue when house talks about the war and protecting Vegas is some of the most fascinating in the game
you're angering two major factions for a guy who owns a square kilometer
The most profitable square kilometer on the continent ;)
Who will win:
Recreated America, but this time without the cool stuff
Edgy 15 year old cosplayers
Guy who controls a square kilometer
The mailman's robot
@@CelestineGup without the cool stuff? NCR made the laser RCW, they have a few cool things.
Few
@protoss dragoon
Wow. I've met some stupid Obsidian fanboys in my dad, but never before have I heard the 'geographical size in a devastated wasteland that's mostly empty and worthless anyways,' argument. I mean, I could understand if you used the population or militarization or diplomatic reach argument, but dude, House has an army of killer robots that could hold off and even gain territory from any competing faction as soon as he builds just one decent sized factory. And was a billionaire, genius, playboy philanthropist who still is. Give him prep time and resources and those other two loser factions would be BEGGING to be under his thumb. I mean, it's like you never played the one planet strategy in Stellaris. When you have a tech and power per square inch and in general advantage like House does... you the only relevance geography has is how much is dedicated to his tech and building that tech.
Chipping in two years later: The insane juggernaut of destruction and charisma that the player character becomes over the course of the game provides an EXCELLENT check/balance to House even if they side with him. Should he stray from the path of humanity's best interest, the PC of annihilation would correct him...
Valid, but it's likely the courier will die.
For a while. But you have to sleep. House doesn't. And your body will waste away. House's won't. He doesn't have to rush. He can wait 40-50 years before becoming an abusive dictator, and you'll be an elderly wreck. Or have a securitron kill you in your sleep.
If you're relying on the Courier to keep House in check, you might as well cut out the middle man and do the Yes Man ending instead.
@@kevdog150 Eh, in the House ending you have a stable genius in charge of all of the day to day stuff and someone who's intimately familiar with all of the workings and seems to actually enjoy maximizing efficiency. Day to day governing is very, very boring, trust me. So a brilliant mind governing that and I get to gallivant around the wastes and only correct him if he steps out of line.... that sounds superior to a sarcastic sassy robot who I'll have to babysit constantly.
@@kevdog150 That said, like I mentioned, House could just wait you out or kill you while you sleep. So, Yes Man or NCR is possibly superior. Or, House, and then get the heck outta dodge.
Oxhorn: "[rich powerful business man] using his might, using his smarts, to turn Vegas into a world that benefits him, and by extension some other people. *I don't believe however that this is how the world works, not today* and certainly not in the Fallout universe."
*US politics: am I a joke to you?*
That's any country's politics
lol, oxhorn doesn't know how the world works.
Capitalism, and Lobbying like this!
Even in Communist countries the Elite are Rich and powerful.
Pretending that those in power won't benefit themselves is Insanity.
@@bodyslambear4340 a "true" communist country would be all Robots.
People are too different for it to work.
"and we know how much work you need to put in to make a few caps in the wastelands"
*pans to me chugging bottle after bottle of sunset sasparilla*
*Robert Edwin House*
President, CEO, and sole proprietor of the New Vegas Strip, industrialist and technologist, founder, President, and CEO of the multi-billion-dollar pre-war robotics and software corporation, RobCo Industries
*has born*
Urah baby
@@Spicygamer_57 i wont be too happy about that. I dont want nuclear war and human experiments in Vault
What does Altocrussian meme?
I feel what people forget is that we are not dealing with a thriving civilization like our own, rather we are dealing with an unorganised almost medieval civilization. And morales that we hold dear don't apply in this case. The only way to re established control and provide some sense of civilisation is not gonna be nice. There will always be casualties no matter how good you're intentions are. House for me represents the Mojave's best chance to return to a civilised society. His plan will spark the re emergence of technology which in turn will spark law, economics, health and security. The only question we have to ask ourselves is are we willing to make the hard choices to save what is left of civilization? House will do whatever he has to to see the return of civilization.
But house (No matter how smart he is) eventually will have to start letting things that in the post war world he makes be made by separate companies (eventually his market would stagnate otherwise and advancement needs a purpose to exist (for example the radio or the car (the car/radio were cheaper than owning a horse and Cart (and the people to care for the horses and paper for the news as well as paper delivery persons) from my perspective he is wanting to govern Vegas like a mega corporation and those always (or near always to cut some slack) fail
House woke up a hundred years ago. For the last century, what has he done to the wasteland and the people around him? Kicked them out, oppressed them and potentially endanger them to the outside elements. And what has the NCR done? Attacked the legion rapists, barbarians and slavers, provided a camp for war refugees and orphans, maintained sustainable food, water and shelter for it's 700,000 citizens. You know his domineering behavior and severe lack of human empathy. You are on the wrong side of humanity.
WanderingAce 57 it’s civilization not what you spelled.
@@moxiejones9100 what you on about?
WanderingAce 57 you spelled it civilisation
Rest In Peace the voice actor for Mr. House, René Auberjonois, who played Odo on Deep Space Nine
It's the same guy!
Now I'm really sad.
What do you mean that the Kings are wiped out no matter what you do? If you resolve the conflict between the Kings and the NCR by making the Kings confront them (inciting a full war between both factions) then when the Hoover Dam Battle starts they attack the NCR citizens and soldiers that are on Freeside, this is seen by Mr House as a sign of loyalty to New Vegas and he spares them. Here's the exact ending:
"During the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, some Kings took it upon themselves to launch several attacks on NCR citizens and soldiers around Freeside. Mr. House looked on these actions favorably, seeing them as proof of The Kings' loyalty to New Vegas, and decided to leave them alone".
Also a man like Mr. House, who was able to mathematically calculate when the Nuclear war was going to start, probably drew the the conclusion that the Brotherhood of Steel would inevitable attack New Vegas and he would be forced to wipe them out anyway; so why wait until they attack and cause loss of life on both sides when he could just make a preemptive strike?
@Mitsi Grabblerberg and other factions/people do care? Its human nature to care only about those close to you. That doesn't mean he hates people, on the contrary, he is known for making contratcs (deals were both parts agree to work together) with people instead of forcing them to work for him. He is ultimately a good influence for the wasteland even when he doesn't try to be that, in Adam Smith's words:
"It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest."
@Mitsi Grabblerberg He isnt running a charity, he is building infrastructure effectively though, which will indirectly help people of the wasteland. And probably will change the term of Mojave wasteland to be New vegas. A shining city.
*Today, 25th of June, 2020,* the greatest Genius to roam the Atomic Age: A brilliant Industrialist and Engineer, the Future Founder, President, and CEO of the forerunning Multi-billion-dollar Robotics, and Software company, Robco Industries, the Sole Proprietor and Saviour of the New Vegas Strip, And a great Dreamer who reaches for the stars: *Robert Edwin House*
*has been born in Las Vegas, NV*
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
cool quote did not laugh
@@HanhNguyen-kj8tv what do you mean: did not laugh?
I sided with House and to this day I have not had a better experience in a game. I loved working for him.
Agree sure I done every faction in different play through but from now on I only do House endings
House's ruling style reminds me of the Emperor of Mankind in that he's heavily self assured and devoted to 'Mankind' rather than people.
And we all know how that went
@@averybishopmartin6964 Magnus did nothing wrong
@@averybishopmartin6964 Space Elf Waifus?
ALL HAIL THE GOD EMPEROR OF MANKIND
(and Mr House)
@@averybishopmartin6964 F**KING HORUS!!!!
"House is practically immortal" lmao say that to my 9 iron
Like elves are immortal. Won't die from age, but can still die from physical damage
I have yet to play Outer Worlds, but I wonder if the House ending of Fallout: New Vegas leads to it. House does say he will be sending colony ships to other planets.
It’s a neat fan theory but the Board (the bad guys) in The Outer Worlds are utterly incompetent, definitely more so than House and I’d argue much more evil as well. I think House would have to be dead by the beginning of TOW if that theory were true because he would hate the Board.
TOW is a fun game. The companion characters are great and I found the combat really fun. Main story is ok but the lore is shallow, boring and annoyingly pessimistic. I’d borrow it from a friend if possible lol
@@randybobandy4801 Personally I found the Pessimism refreshing I'm a pessimist and all the games nowadays are all positive
@@randybobandy4801 well he did say he wouldn't want a board of directors... so either the board usurped him or they killed him and took over for money sake
Didn't the brotherhood of steel butcher the followers of the apopaclyose because Veronica went to say hi. Yeah I wouldn't trust them ether, not to mention when talking with yes man he talks about how the brother hood "wouldn't like it" and that's only because he can't say things like hate or worse when talking about you or other people. Besides mr.house was knocked out due to not having the platinum chip and things going wrong. And the thing with the platnium chip, who knows how hard it would have been to make that thing, probably the earliest date it would have arrive no matter what. Also the NCR is much smaller than the modern USA and the NCR has a lot of generators and other ways of water. Also I'm pretty shure one dollar equals 8 caps. Also using that money would be used to create space flight. Space flight. And finally The best and ultimate part of me house is his plan. His want of space flight, if the fallout univers gains space flight than humanity can get more food, water, and homes. Everything wrong with the nuclear apopaclyose can be fixed on a new Planet. And if we don't have people in orbit soon, well the world already had a resource war, who says it won't happen again, but by getting of the planet we will have not only better supplies, but freedom from fear and not having to fight for there lives everyday. Please talk about this if you talk about the best new Vegas faction.
So instead of focusing on terraforming the actual planet earth , ud rather risk it all and pray to god u magically find another planet that is magically viable for human use lol
@@User-LS-n5m terraforming would take hundreds of thousands of years. And it's not really advancing humanity forward. Just stagnation. You know....also by your logic, we could terraform other things in space too.
When you say he (House) did not save hover-dam and the rest he technically did since his tower shot down most of the missiles heading to Vegas and the surrounding area saving most of the Mohave in the process and he was trying to shoot all down so he was trying in some way to save Vegas and the surrounding area.
Remember him saying, "If only the Platinum Chip had arrived a day sooner"? If I recall right, he wanted to save the whole area, not just the Strip, just didn't have the resources, and barely survived. The damage put him into a long coma
Right, everyone at Nellis Air Force Base would have survived if House had the Platinum Chip on October 22.
After the Veronica quest I realized this chapter of the brother isn’t gonna benefit anyone other than their small group. Even after the treaty with the ncr they would probably end up breaking it after they gain strength.
Who would I want to pick to take over the Mojave?
The Republic of Dave
Nobody will argue that that is the best choice for the Mojave, except for the Mirelurk Kingdom, whose sovereignty President Dave does not acknowledge.
The Republic Of Dave Duh
muggy is obviously the best choice
Fuck you all House is the best at saving humanity from it self and if he rebuilds industry he could build more securitrons to stop the tunnelers.
I choose the Enclave
God Bless America
Your reasoning for the water was not correct. Purified water in the game is something like 20-30 caps for one bottled water. House is selling a whole gallon for five caps.
Christopher Bosetti
Yes, fresh water is scarce in fallout and one should not compare the price for water in our world with the price in fallout. Also NCR lost the war and it is reasonable to sell water for a higher price.
Did some math including the gold from Dead Money (with gold prices from 2008 (~$12,678 per lb), release of FO3, and it's weight of 35 lb per bar it would be around $443,730 per bar. Measuring that against it's price in caps makes 1 bottlecap worth around $42,10) and the fact that a bottle (1 lb) of purified water (~0.12 gal) is 20 caps.
House sells the water fro around $210 while a bottle of clean water is worth ~$840 in curency from this world. a gallon of clean water in bottles would be worth ~~$7,000.
The NCR gets a huuuuuge discount bying from him compared to what caravans want for it.
HappyBeezerStudios - by Lord_Mogul Woah!!!! Astonishingly good deal
This is a matter of game mechanics over story though, of they sold bottled water fof 5 caps to the player fuck why not buy it, keep in mind that while the player often has caps in the 1000s most nova refer to their savings as in the low hundreds so 5 for a follow is a decent hit
First 10 minutes:"Mr House screws up the NCR"
Me:"Oh,good,some pros before the cons"
I thought people always said the pros before the cons, you know, get everyone feeling good and then show them what was wrong.
@@johnfulkrod9596 I always thought the opposite.
You know, throw the bad stuff out of the gate and then end with a consolation in the good news.
Because no matter how good the news are, the bad news will always seem worse.
@@JonatasAdoM well it depenss one what is your opinion. Like if you are for the cons you need to say the pros first. If you are for the pros then the cons.
House is one of the most interesting characters ever written. Until you see his decaying body, you truly wonder if he is more man or machine. He almost prides himself on his lack of humanity, calculating the MOST efficient policies to create wealth, consolidate his power, and restore mankind from its devastation. Doing everything in his power to protect a city that can potentially save mankind and sustaining himself with focus for 200 years, his libertarian-like policies simultaneously reveal both his steel resolve and utter lack compassion for his fellow man. He is a man that cares for the long run, but unfortunately in the long run the rest of us are dead. Fuck i love this game
He pride himself because it makes him feel more than just man, you might say he is 'overman' just not the Nietzsche kind of overman.
You can't seriously compare todays power and water useage and NV's, or even the NCR's power and water usage. Considering how few tech and people there are compared to todays standard. Its foolish to compare them like that, Fallouts world wouldnt use a quarter of todays power usage.
Edit: After watching the rest of the video, You belittle and Ignore the reasons behind House's decisions. If a clan that is known for betraying people, you can predict that and prepare for it. And house actually does this by. He explicitly says that they are probably up to something. As far as hiring the courier, he tested you and trusted you due to past preformances. It was a calculated risk, not a blind risk like you say. You really throw out all of House's planning and logic in this video. The only X-factor for house is the player since there needs to be a game.
I believe that if you in the quest I.G. Blues let the kings kill the NCR, the endings slide is something like: 'During the battle of hoover dam, some of the kings took it upon themselves to fight the NCR. Because of their bravery mr. house left them alone.'
At 18:58:
Says: "I find it hard to believe that there was no other option to better guarantee House's success."
Proceeds to offer no suggestions for other options. Not even one. Not even a single alternative suggestion.
Im a hardcore syndicalist and i help The Followers all the time, but i still usually go with The House on this one. It may not align with how i see the world short term, but technically long term, i think Mr House becoming a dominate local power is exactly what the NCR needs to validate and normalize its currency and population growth.
The NCR doesnt need more land to patrol. They need a valid currency. They need a morale boost. They need a focal point of industry to base their hopes and dreams around. They need a trading partner that isnt a fascist. I think they unironically need The House.
Ok I just found this out now but Oxhorn, you either didn't care to read the Fallout: NV wiki, or otherwise you wanted to bring you point accross and therefore decided it's "better" if nobody knows about THIS:
House DOESN'T kills the Kings if you resolve "G.I. Blues", the quest about the conflict in Freeside between the locals and Kings and the NCR and their squatters, by inciting the conflict instead of ending it!!!
The ending slide states in this case:
"During the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, some Kings took it upon themselves to launch several attacks on NCR citizens and soldiers around Freeside. Mr. House looked on these actions favorably, seeing them as proof of The Kings' loyalty to New Vegas, and decided to leave them alone"
This also shows that there were NCR soldiers (and regrettably, citizens) in Freeside during and probably still after the Battle of Hoover Dam, IF the Kings didn't kill or drove them all off. So they are even there after you incite the conflict!
So if you resolve the conflict peacefully, would anyone not take it for granted that House would want to secure Freeside (literally New vegas "front garden"), since armed soldiers of the NCR still were stationed there, and the local gang, i.e. the Kings, was unable to get them to leave? Also in the ending slate Oxhorn showed, it doesn't state anything remotely near to an intention to kill or even attack the Kings, no he wanted to secure Freeside! Freeside was at that point not only a place for said NCR soldiers that would have either to be disarmed or asked to leave, but it's also home to thugs that rob people, these attack in the game over and over again, so definitely a problem.
I'm really mad at Oxhorn for missing this, not because of the oversight itself, but for the central place it takes in his judgement of House. How it is presented in the video, it implies that this is the ending you get with House concerning the Kings, where are the three word Ox uses so often to denote something being peculiar to his own playthrough, where is the "in my game"?!
As said, this is one of the points for House being a "ruthless dictator", along with the Brotherhood he orders you to kill.
It lets him look suspicious, why didn't he read the ending slides you can find so easily on the Fallout wiki under the entry for the Kings?
This also shows that House clearly doesn't kill entire factions if they stand his way no matter what, he only eliminates them if they:
1. Are living right beneath his nose (Freeside), a place where crime runs rampant and which NEEDS security, against which his securitrons would do a lot, but who would be attacked the moment they entered Freeside, sadly the ending slate doesn't specifiy who attacked first, but since securitrons are programmed, it clearly was not a planned attack. (On the matter of Freeside needing security: Julie Farkas, the doctor leading the Followers efforts in Freeside, gives us this direct quote: "Thieves and thugs are always looking for a victim, and the local families are just sitting back making caps on the mess. Freeside is in dire need, but no one is man enough to step up. the Followers can only do so much to stem the tide.")
2. The BoS, one of the few factions whose members, though few, are definetely a danger to House and his securitrons. Remember, the BoS is stuck in it's ways, they regard higher technology as something they are the only ones to be trusted with. House plans what? He wants to go to space! And not some satellites or something like that, no he wants to clonize another planet! Technology would be paramount for this effort. Because if you ask Mr. House for the "why", he states this as the reason, and he's right.
In any ending besides the one where you kill them, the Brotherhood will do something that is about technology in one way or the other:
Legion winning ending: The BoS uses the Battle for Hoover Dam to take over Helios One, which the ending slide correctly describes as a "pyrrhic victory", since after taking it and dealing heavy casualties on the NCR troops retreating from the Dam, they of course where overwhelmed by the Legion and wiped out
First independent ending: If you don't sign the truce between NCR and the BoS, they will also use the battle to attack Helios One, but differently, they will have no opposition in holding it. And what do they do with their newfound controlled territory? Seizing any technology on the two trade routes that go to/from New Vegas "seizing any technology they deemed inappropiate"
Second independent: IF you make them sign a truce they won't attack Helios One, for now at least (it says "temporary truce" in this ending), and they let the NCR troops that retreat "pass without incident". But again I quote directly: "In the relative peace that followed, Brotherhood patrols appeared along major roads, harassing travelers over any bits of technology they had"
NCR wins ending: IF you make them sign a truce they won't attack Helios One, but the NCR hands over ALL salvaged suits of power armor and they patrol the same two routes as before. It doesn't say explicitly they also confiscate technology from travelers, but it's unlikely they do not, considering they got the NCR to hand over such valuable stuff already.
Before I recapitulate the best ending (for the BoS), I'd want to tell you that these endings occur no matter which Elder you take, besides being unable to make the truce whatsoever if choosing Hardin, so even McNamara would do the ending I'm going over again, if you don't make the truce. Besides, McNamara's outright refusal to change anything after Veronica showed him so clearly how the Brotherhood will fail, besides Veronica being clearly an outsider, just shows "the human element" in the BoS, even in the Mojave chapter, is second to the Brotherhood codex, and so is everybody else's wishes. Want peace with the Brotherhood? Hand over the tech we want or not happening, and btw, we will try and take it anyways if you don't.
So, to recapitulate the ending where it goes "all perfect" for the BoS: The BoS will, if the courier takes over and doesn't do the quests required for NCR signing a truce with the BoS, not only take over Helios One but also established a roadblock on the two major trading routes to and from New Vegas to strip anyone of technology they only trust themselves with. Even more crucially, in the ending where the NCR WINS and the truce is appearently stable, the NCR has to hand over their probably most advance pieces armor, yes they are former BoS suits of power armor, but also the only pieve of advanced combat technology the NCR possesses, and even that little is too much for the BoS appearently. In fact, if the Legion wouldn't be incompatible on other levels, they would be the perfect ally to the BoS...
But House? He would have to DIE if he wanted a truce with the BoS! Besides giving them all his securitrons, not to mention the network he uses to control these, they would flip out if they heard he had TECHNOLOGY that had prolonged his life to over 200 years, combined with a brain-computer interface that lets him control his securitron army besides other things! There is no chance in hell they let him keep that. So I think the only flaw in the game is not being shown what Mr. House means when dismissing the BoS as possible allies or even an ignorable faction. You should be able to walk up to the Elder, be it McNamara or Hardin, and hear it flat out; the BoS does not do anything that would violate their code, even if means their end. This is at least shown during Veronicas quest. So why would they accept Mr. House and his 100% technology based life, faction and future plans? They probably would've already tried to get to him, they simply don't know about his capabilities...
Did you get graded on this essay you wrote?
A sound argument. BoS are not to be trusted with their narrow minded idealism and short sighted vision.
TL;DR
@@agent7176 I got you covered: BoS is too risky to keep around in the long run, due to Securitrons being a unique technology.
Ok, thank you. :)
i just finished another run on the game, this time i decided to go with mister House. I always thought he would be the bad guy, but after seeing the ending i thought its one of the best endings. I felt really bad for killling my brotherhood friends, but i could understand his "reasons" for that. They were a threat so i end them. It seems like the house ending is quite nice and a real progress for the future fallout world. Poeple from all over america will come and try to settle down there cause there is a real chance of success here. Oh dude, i really hope for New Vegas 2, bigger vegas strip, bigger wasteland, DUDE i just want to know how this city evolved by time :D
The Big MT and the institute are HUGE evidence to what happens when you leave technology to boogeymen like House. And it's further evidence that you don't need House for scientific development when other people are actually capable, so long as you have a nation to educate, maintain and spread that level of technology. The man has been awake for over a century, he chose to be an oppressive land lord, whose main goal was to expand in the end game while sucking caps through gambling.
Rebuild what? There is no evidence of rebuilding anything other than newer war machines to further control the strip and other people to do his bidding. Then you completely disregard the single-greatest civilized nation in the whole Fallout lore (who provided shelter, food and water for 700,000 of their citizens through long-term economic stability and sustainable sources) because they aren't perfect? That's fucking crazy.
@@johnanderson3899 The Institute and House are completely different
Jan Anderson Co in what way is house comparable to the think tank or the institute? As far as corporations go, RobCo was actually one of the most ethical in fallout lore, he’s never abused others just for the hell of it or just as an experiment.
@@johnanderson3899 The NCR can build space ship ? No ? Too bad for them.
Lmao imagine actually fanboying over the brotherhood
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I’d rather side with the mess that’s the NCR
The House always wins
Apparently there is a wild card right under his nose.
It's a gambling expression that refers to casinos. A casino is 'the House', and no matter if you win or lose a game in 'the House', the House wins anyway.
Levi Herendeen until a wild card is thrown in
@@cyberfiber176 And then it depends on WHAT the wild card is.
Unless you’re luck special skill is 7 or higher then you have casinos kicking you out for winning to much before you say Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition
17:20 but that point you were playing ball and brought him back the chip after everything that happened to you and honestly by that point did some more stuff for him so it was a calculated risk but that off set by the legit skill and loyality he has been showing so far. it be weird if he didn't send you to do it
Water is a premium in the Fallout Universe, it's reflected in the prices for said item.
You have to remember that many of Houses surcuitrons have gone “missing” in that area. Judging how the Brotherhood is the only major power in that area it’s easy to assume that they are hostile. If he sent a surcuratron up there to try to talk to them they would just shoot it.
Doing the math...
16 ounce bottle of water = 20 caps base value
128 ounces to the gallon
8 water bottles per gallon, 160 cap value
Considering that the majority of wastelanders or even NCR citizens will be largely drinking purified water, rather than watering their lawns or taking showers with it, also considering that the cost per gallon likely includes the cost to PRODUCE it (power, pumps, packaging, etc) then it's a bloody BARGAIN what House is charging.
It doesn't make good sense to go equating a cap to a dollar, and it doesn't make sense to compare the VALUE of water in our society vs the value in the Fallout world. We have infrastructure and technology in place to sustainably manage an entire city's worth of drinking water en masse. It is because of our own world's relative abundance and ease of access that these things are so cheap for us.
House is providing an incredibly reasonable offer to the people not only of the Mojave, but of the NCR as well.
It+s better than the Hub deal in Fallout 1 so yes, under House the Mojave could very well become full of water businessmen in the following years, just pay 5 a gallon make tons of purified water bottles and sell it at a competitive price of less than 20 caps, not only will the overall price of water drop by a lot in the nearby areas around the Mojave but their economy will be booming.
My only question is whether or not his electricity price is ok.
Considering electricity is a luxury, I imagine whoever pays for it now will still be able to afford it.
Here's the thing about the brotherhood- if your best argument is that McNamara is reasonable, what happens when he dies and the next person takes his place? House is eternal; dealing with the leader every several decades is a headache, and gives them time to build up their strength until the leader is someone who will pick that fight.
I also dont think comparing a man whose entire life and army are machines, to a government of old school US values and a military of simple firearms, is really all too apt.
McNamara isn’t reasonable though, it’s only after you basically blackmail him with the NCR does he even budge. I’ve used the pulse gun and it wrecks BoS, like hardcore, and I’m playing with mods that buff power armor into being its own class of armor instead of just being high end heavy armor. If even a “reasonable” terrorist like McNamara doesn’t see that as a threat, then he’s a loser with no future.
@@allhandsondik7803 Lol BoS are Old School US values and simple firearms?
I say this as somebody who chooses BoS for basically every FO playthrough: A militaristic cult that hordes technology because the wider populace cannot be trusted, and uses giant nuke-throwing mechas and power-armour, does not fit the above description.
With the exception of Fallout 3's short-lived BoS offshoot, I don't think anybody except the Minutemen fits that description.
Plus one of the Brotherhoods most fatal flaws is that they simply aren't that interested in governance, and the chapter leaders that try to expand the Brotherhoods purview usually don't last long.
@user-kh2wc8nx1f I have no clue why I made this reply, makes no sense. It honestly seems like I'm responding to the wrong comment, lol.
The Brotherhood of Steel has a really corrupt ideology for bringing humanity forward after the apocalypse. For every "visionary" and "tolerant" leader, there's another steeped in the fundamentalism and would rather see humanity be savages squabbling over large rocks than let them have any sort of advanced technology again.
I mean if you use the gold bars from Dead money as a base, it's about 10 caps to the $1 (OR 1 cap to $65, i mean a 10 Troy oz. bars weighting 35 pound bars and all :3)
Hahahaha, really clever way of doing exchanges right here, hadn't thought of that. Have a like ^^
When I first played thia game I went with house and I fully expected him to betray me in the end , that old video game hollywood cliche . but when he did good by his faithful courier I was taken back and find it hard to kill him when playing for other faction storylines .
The problem is, House has basically been working towards a goal for two hundred years. Assuming he’s going to get side tracked or change what he does or why he does things, seems a bigger leap then him just going forward.
House seems on top of a lot of things, and what he gets from it, is being the best. His ego is fed with success, he wants to show it can be done. The reason he ‘won’t’ corrupt, is because he can’t accept failure. To fail is to hurt his ego.
But to rule over Vegas, move forward, colonize space? Yes, that would feed his ego. Yes, that would prove him best. That’s why House very likely won’t corrupt, won’t change, in his mind he is the best, therefore he ‘has’ to be the best. Anything less isn’t good enough, anything less isn’t ‘House’.
The Big MT and the institute are HUGE evidence to what happens when you leave technology to boogeymen like House. And it's further evidence that you don't need House for scientific development when other people are actually capable, so long as you have a nation to educate, maintain and spread that level of technology. The man has been awake for over a century, he chose to be an oppressive land lord, whose main goal was to expand in the end game while sucking caps through gambling.
Rebuild what? There is no evidence of rebuilding anything other than newer war machines to further control the strip and other people to do his bidding. Then you completely disregard the single-greatest civilized nation in the whole Fallout lore (who provided shelter, food and water for 700,000 of their citizens through long-term economic stability and sustainable sources) because they aren't perfect? That's fucking crazy.
@@johnanderson3899 Big MT was basically all the right answers for all the wrong reasons. House wouldn't act as ludicrous or maniacal as the scientists of Big MT.
@@johnanderson3899 and let's just not talk about the institute. Because they more bad because of bad writing than philosophy.
@@johnlucas2838 FALSE. Time and time again, people like HOUSE has made the same promises. It's the usual script for the abusive (money-grubbing) dictator who started to convince everyone he's a savior of some sort. This is why world history is important, because you people make the same mistakes, the same flaws in your human psyche.
@@johnanderson3899 Yet House explains the process in how he's going to do things and and that all he needs is time and money, money he'll make through trades or through casinos; not through tax. How many people tell their promise yet don't explain how they're going to achieve it. Nearly every lying politician does that, they make a false promise and also don't explain how they're going to do it. House is the best bet, he has the answers, he isn't making any false promises, he told us blatantly on how he's going to achieve his goals and knows where he's headed.
You say there are people like House, but is there anyone like House? No, there isn't. House is genius who's attained a form of immortality, he's lived longer than anyone, he's climbed his way up from nothing when he didn't get his inheritance, and he isn't a cult personality that makes the masses blindly follow him, in fact how he runs things is through contracts and wagers/risks, people know what they pay for and what they get. Unlike us who blindly pay for nothing when it comes to a promise. House doesn't abuse the system if he's the one keeping it running. He needs the NCR to trade with him and that's it, he's made a wonderous deal for their benefit, 20 caps for 4 gallons of water, when we see bottles of water in game cost 20 caps each. That's a steal for the NCR. There is no one like Mr. House.
He says he's an autocrat but he's more of a progressive that's staked in investments. All it comes down to is business in the end for him. And how much progress and products he can get and make from it, mind you, products he and his company makes. New Vegas is his land and he's owned it for more than 200 years, he's saved it from being destroyed. He was only off by a day, I say that's a margin of error within calculations but that's what calculations are.
Not like we learned World History in High School when we should. I wonder why that is maybe because our society has accepted something and it's infected our education system like a cancer.
If the Spare The Brotherhood of Steel option for House wasn't cut, then this video would've likely been different. The worry that House is too much of a risk taker would still there but with that cut option restored, we can see House being at least reasonable and can spare and possibly collaborate with the BOS in some way. As for The Kings honestly having them attack the NCR is the best option and the way to get House to spare them.
Oxhorn after some research I have to say your argument in the clip and assumption are weak. There is no clear moral ground in Fallout universe so utilitarianism or whatever doesn’t matter. But some of your conclusion is just wrong. Price of water, assumption with BoS, resolution for free side. What you mentioned either are not true or only exists in your play through.
littlesunshine4heart the BOS really haven’t don’t the mojave much good, probably because stealing laser rifles from farmers is kind of counter productive to progress
@@VivaCristoRei9 that's what was BoS like. But ofc, Bethesda has changed them.
@@VivaCristoRei9 thank you. the brotherhood NEEDS to be eliminated. they are not the good guys. i hate to say it, but nuka world said it best when gage says that raiders and the brotherhood aren't that different.
I sided with the NCR my last playthrough a few years ago, but I have to say, thinking long-term both for the player and for the future of the Mojave, House does seem like the only smart choice.
The NCR clearly cannot rebuild a solid democracy - both the social and economic situation in the wastelands of the post-war USA, the lack of resources and amenities, are not a good soil for a responsible government to sprout. There are few resources to evenly share among people, and the NCR is overstretched already. Moreover, the legion is clearly out of the question - they are no better than the Fiends, just more organised.
House promotes the only sensible form of government in this situation - a leader that is not interested in fame or fortune. The corruptability of a dictator slides off the guy because of his lack of humanity. From his monologues you can see that he is not interested in the petty lives of others, only progress. That is to say - why wouldn't he allow people to organise and decide atleast some of the laws of the land, not concerning economics, military or other matters of security of the state. And in a disaster, a wasteland populated by drug-fueled raiders and mutated monsters, that sounds pretty f-ing good. You can criticize him on his stance on the BoS for example, but as Oxhorn said, you can see his argument in that aswell. Either way, I'd rather see a genius of industry and an expert of robotics in charge, rather than a guy living in a tent with a brain tumor or an elected official. Damn, I want to play New Vegas again - absolutely the best story of all the modern Fallout games.
For anyone who doesn't mind siding with Caesars legion, that would be a good choice. Don't like him? Go with house which is more better, not even close? Try independent where you don't take shit from no one but at least those kind of choices are much better then the NCR, ANYTHING BUT THE NCR...whom I couldn't stand, they talk about bringing order to the wasteland. They don't care about order, they care about full control. The only thing that I ever see as an ending is House, Legion and Independent because otherwise the platinum chip has no meaning to the story if anyone goes with NCR.
He is indeed the "best choice", even if he's not the "right choice." The difference is as large.
@@Djivaan56 I chose house because he is a best last chance that humanity has to offer if not last hope. Then I start a new game playing legion which I have mixed results since they are not wrong about the infighting and corruption of the NCR when emulating the pre-war gov't, while I respect Caesar decision to go with the Roman time period if players don't mind rape and slavery, I tend to choose independent route after making decisions like Legion to yes man, house to yes man and even NCR to yes man just to show all any faction can succeed or fall, but the NCR will never succeed and they never will.
@@Kerendips the NCR don't give a shit about anyone except for their own people, if there's anyone whose useless it's the NCR always need large favors from the Courier, which are large contributors to the 2nd Battle of Hoover Dam. Even with small tasks such as talking to the Great Khans or making contact with the BoS. Which would be easy if they hired even a simple Jet addict. In the end they're all useless without the couriers help. But giving power to the overly corrupt gov't is like giving some moron a gun, truth be told I'd rather give the mojave to house or take it over since those are the two answers, NCR IS NOT THE ANSWER. Opinions an opinion where players might as well consider best.
Mr. House ending= Aristocracy/Oligarchy,
Yes Man ending= Anarchy, Legion= Dictatorship,
NCR= shitty Bureaucratic government. They all have their justifications, but they all suck in their own way. At least most are better then the latter.
@@Kerendips You seem to forget the giant securitron army that with a few years, could replicate themselves using factories that would be easy to make with the wealth Mr House possesses. Mr House doesn't have to fight the world, he just needs to fight off the legion, and keep the NCR placated for long enough to create a true immortal army. EMP grenades are great, but it'd be like trying to destroy a giant wave of ants with a spitball, and each of the ants is armed to the teeth with guns, lasers, grenades, all while self-repairing. Not even mentioning how expensive those things are, making practical use out of them nearly impossible. The biggest threat would be tech from the Big MT getting out into the Mojave, since it's almost all anti-robot. But until then, Mr House is the best choice.
Also, if Mr House was worried about his securitrons getting hit by EMPs, he has more than enough money to contract mercenaries or just pay off any attackers.
Well, let's take a government rundown here.
House: Despotism, no true spread of power outside of agents, but with no risk of a succession crisis (at least in the immediate future). Absolute monarchies and other top-heavy systems have the highest potential for efficiency and power, but are also most brittle. A powerful leader could conquer the world, but if his successor cannot maintain this, then it was all for naught. House is a good leader, not a master but good, and he has no foreseeable risk of death, so therefore no issue of succession. So, on the whole, while brutal (as is normal with totalitarian regimes), he would at least keep Vegas functional and safe. However, if someone assassinated him, the whole house comes tumbling down. Also, he would by necessity need to delegate once past a certain range, if he truly does wish to expand, and that would necessitate lieutenants, or perhaps even a feudal system; and these people would be people, not his immortal self.
NCR: They're trying to recreate a model of the United States, essentially. On one hand, once established, this would be far less brittle than a totalitarian government. However, republics are slower to react to threats and are easier to bog down with in-fighting than monarchies. However, it also ensures that the system is self-automated enough at a local level that it can react, and it keeps people operating on their own. There are still very dodgy decisions by leadership and it's probably the most vulnerable to politics, but it would be less susceptible to sudden, disastrous shifts in policy. On the whole, I think this would be the most stable of the bunch, but definitely not the most efficient.
Caesar's Legion: Essentially, this has all of the pros and cons of a despotic rule without the special benefits that House enjoys. Even ignoring the morality, Caesar is holding the Legion together by sheer force of will. There's no guarantee that whoever takes over after Caesar would be capable of keeping the Legion united. Moreover, the Legion has a very regressive view of technology. I've avoided talking about this so far, as the others have similar positive views of tech; but the Legion's lack of scientists and brutal attitude towards the few they have renders it a liability for the future. While I'm not passing total judgment on what's best, I believe Caesar's Legion is what's worst.
Yes Man: This is an odd one, because it depends a great deal on what the Courier and Yes Man decide to set up as their line of succession and method of government. However, what we can assume is that Yes Man will be there to help guide the successors, and depending on the Courier's orders and ability to program the robot, he could act as a House-style immortal guide to the future. However, there's not enough data is available to say whether this would be a help or a hindrance. Yes Man's base personality would be overly compliant, but if he can be programmed with directives, that would change the scenario.
I think House does mention that he'd be willing to eventually let other people have immortality as well. Think it was in one of the earlier episodes. This would let him have immortal agents, but does make it sound like it would eventually devolve into fractured dictatorships.
Take your pick
House = Saddam Hussein (Iraq)
Caesar = King Salman (Saudi Arabia)
President Kimball = Ronald Reagan (USA)
Yes Man = Nestor Makhno (Free Territory)
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Saddam and House? Dude, what a bullshit comparison you made there
I went with Yes-Man for an Independent Vegas. I might tweek some stuff like no one can change these founding principles of don’t steal and don’t start trouble. Yes-Man’s only job would be protecting life, liberty and property with the protectrons. A limited government that was founded on Libertarian ideals.
I don't buy representative democracies as being more stable
There's been very little evidence of that and it seems to mostly be propaganda from the representative democracies we almost all live in
18:08 strange, Mr. House wouldn't even talk to me after I blew up the securitron army
"I would never give the keys to the mojave to one man." Well, I mean you're there. Isn't your job in the House ending to be House's human leash? Because you know, and by the end he probably knows too, that you could walk through all of House's defenses with a fucking shaving razor and pull him out of his refrigerator to rot if he steps wrong. While it is sort of up to your character's disposition whether or not that's a good ending, if you played a good guy then the ending becomes the two of you using each other. He uses you to take care of jobs that he doesn't have the ability to deal with himself, and you use him to pull society out of the hole it's in, while also having a direct means of ending him.
Tin Watchman I'd say his means of production are too limited for that. He needed the army under the fort because he can't make any himself, and the upgrades from the platinum chip are from before the war. That's where the Courier's worth comes from, cuz if he sends all his 'Trons off on missions and loses them he'd be up shit creek.
Well Mr. House is also honorable and he respects the Courier for his skills/loyalty. He could have wiped out the Courier just as he can General Oliver but he didn't as he trusts and depends on him.
Correct me if wrong, but isn't the best case scenario for this that House is kept in line by you for a few decades or so, until eventually you die or simply become too old and broken down to serve your purpose? House is borderline immortal. You are not. All he needs to do to free himself from you is wait.
TheAngryXenite pretty sure the couriers life span was increased exponentially through the Big MTs technology
@@TheAngryXeniteMr. House offers the courier the same life prolonging technology he's been using.
House is a perfect example of "The ends justify the means."
what "means" are you talking about?
NCR is a more fitting comparison.
@cinna banana significant advancement and saving of mankind is bad?
@cinna banana His achievement is still big, or you prefer riddled with corruption NCR that can barely stand on its own? Or Legion with their crucifiction? Yes man with no future? Mr. House is not a dictator. No one is forced to be with him, all with contracts
@@manz7860 nah, the NCR is all means, no end
12:15 Other problem - the USA in the Fallout universe was *not* a democracy.
Affirmative.
The USA in *our* universe isn't a democracy...
tutorial: brush him It's a republic, which is basically democracy with extra steps. The Fallout USA was a totalitarian corporate oligarchy.
@@totmgsrockxd9900 not,*terribly* far off from our current day, just a lot more blatant and intense. aye?
@@cobraglatiator Our earth's United States is not totalitarian, nor is it an oligarchy.
i like how in Fallout New Vegas you play as the courier and you have the chance to do the Mr. House quest - where it's like all mapped out for you.
I'm a paint by numbers kind of guy.
Let's look at our other options.
Work for the slavers
Work for the idiots
Work for yourself when you have no plan, no real allies, no real resources and no real army
Gee - maybe Mr. House is a good idea.
I tend to side with the "screw all the factions" faction. Game ends when everyone is dead and peace is truly restored to the Mojave.
I'll see peace restored to the Mojave even if I have to murder every last SOB with my bare hands. :)
@@camwyn256 Is there any violence? i don't see any violence - do y'all see any violence?
@@camwyn256 We found Peacemaker
@@camwyn256sounds boring and tedious
@@jonathanwells223less boring than meeting all the factions and doing their quests to get them signed up to fight. And a lot more fun.
I say hi with lead
I would like to point out that Freeside is a part of Vegas, so if we recognize shielding Vegas from nuclear Armageddon as a legitimate basis for House’s claim to the strip, we do have to recognize that this extends to Freeside and the other outer Vegas areas.
As to the water, I take your point, though I would point out that it might be worth considering the difference in supply and demand for clean water between our world and that of Fallout. As that would be almost entirely theoretical however, I would pivot to the point that neither the NCR nor the Legion is any more equitable in the distribution when it comes to the Mojave. While I do not know if there are specific numbers to be cited regarding the water, there are regarding the power. Under the terms of the New Vegas Treaty, 95% of the power generated goes to the NCR. This is somewhat reasonable to the extent that the NCR has more people, however under this agreement, large parts of Vegas go without power such as Westside, North Vegas, and parts of Freeside. And the Legion, who largely eschew modern technology simply desire the dam for the land route and to deny the NCR, and are thus extremely unlikely to keep it running.
I actually agree with House's decision to eliminate the Brotherhood of Steel 100%. As much as I like the brotherhood, he's right. They're a relic of a bygone era, they're standing in the way of progress, and they're most likely eventually going to die out (on the West coast anyway) no matter what happens at the end of New Vegas. Slaughtering the Kings was a dick move, though. That one stung. :-/
Veronica is the exception, she's the only one that wants them to abandon their codec because it's going to get them killed.
He doesn't slaughter the kings in all scenarios
To quote one of the greatest leaders in the world, “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others". Nobody pretends Democracy is perfect and unfortunately the truth of the matter is the NCR are in no position to spread it much further than they already have. Indeed the most solid plan would be for them to shore up their current holdings, establish a stable supply line and some form of law and a way of enforcing it. If you want to know what stretching limited resources does, look at the Afrika Korp.
With the world in the situation it finds itself in Fallout, while autocracy under House doesn't sound like the best way to live it's a hell of a lot better, and more sustainable, than anything else on offer in the area. His biggest failing is not attempting to negotiate with some of the other groups who could be useful, perhaps offering to let the Brotherhood operate carte blanche in exchange for certain exemptions, after all they have a disciplined, well armed force which is something sorely needed by a fledgling society.
wittyreviewer To quote one of the best leaders in the galaxy “I love democracy”
>churchill
>greatest leaders in the world
pick one and only one
to expand on this churchill could of single handedly avoided world war 2 but decided not to because of his own massive ego
wittyreviewer to quote the greatest leader in the world : yes I'm Dave of Dave republic,after that you got better dead than red,and then one America one enclave,now and forever
ed champagne Why are you calling him dumb? If you think his idea is bad then critique it properly, or if you have a better idea, present it.
There was originally supposed to be a peaceful resolution between House and the Brotherhood. Including that would've made for more interesting choices for the endgame and the fate of Vegas.
Boy do I wish that was an option. I can't just kill the brotherhood in a run where I have Veronica as a companion... yah they are bad but they are still her family.
New Vegas is an amazing game, and they had so little time to develop it. Imagine if they had the time they had needed...
Nobody seems to be mentioning the best part of this video: You doing everything possible to avoid talking with House after you gunned down General Oliver and plunged Vegas and the NCR into war instead of getting Oliver to sign the agreement.
*clicks video with headphones on*
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Fallout New Vegas was my absolute favorite Fallout. I wish they would remaster it with the Fallout 4 engine
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It's the same engine though (It's still based on gamebryo) I personally think it would be 10x better remastered with crytek, unreal 4
ZeroSystem100 I wouldn’t have high hopes in projects like these. They are like Skywind and shit it will most likely take forever for it to be stable