Ravage 2099 #1 - Atop the Fourth Wall
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- Опубліковано 7 гру 2015
- Just a reminder - the new system is four AT4W episodes per week, once a day from Monday through Thursday.
Welcome to Atop the Fourth Wall, where bad comics burn. In this episode, Linkara reviews a comic 2099 comic with an original character!
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Originally uploaded May 27th, 2013.
ORIGINAL INFO: Fighting pollution has never looked this stupid.
RUMINATIONS: The code that premiered in this episode STILL hasn’t been resolved two years later. There has been the occasional person (only one or two that I can recall) who have solved it, but otherwise I’ve been playing the long game with this one. Actually, I say that, but really it was supposed to be resolved this year - it’s just production of the movie forced the storyline to be pushed back.
90s Kid’s visit to the future hinted at a few specific things, the biggest being Linkara’s new coat that he’d premiere at the end of the then-coming “Ghost of the Machine” arc as well as the crossover with the Nostalgia Critic for Les Miz. Doug was planning that one long in advance and thus secured my cooperation with it early. - Комедії
Stan lee is the rich grandfather of comics while Frank miller is the drunk racist uncle. Lee is stuck in the past but is still fun and we all enjoy his company. Miller is the guy you throw out of thanksgiving for calling your christian middle eastern wife a terrorist.
True
And Allen Moore is the cool uncle who lets your kids play with fireworks, but you don't trust enough to leave them alone with him.
That Guy Miller is that rude grandpa that you try to keep new girlfriends from meeting as long as possible and when they inevitably do, it's followed by:
"Please excuse him, he just doesn't know any better."
That Guy Lee is the fun old man who doesn't know how to work a computer but is very interesting and tells great stories:
"Get him to tell the one where the Germans threw a grenade in his trench during World War II."
All of these are painfully true.
I'm so going to miss my cool, funny, comics grandpa
Hey now, I liked "Who wants to he a superhero?". He didn't choose people based on their abilities or backstory, nor their physical or mental prowess, but their moral values and willingness to help others, because that's what makes a hero.
Its a shame the planned who wants ti be a super villian never materialized
Justice for Fat Mamma!
It's true Stan Lee has done some dumb stuff, but I think it's generally agreed that the man himself is a pretty cool guy.
+Magitek1112
And Stan Lee is also not a racist, facist, masagonistic, bigot like that other writer*coughFrankMillarcough* that Stan's decline in writting was compared to
There isn't any particular reason to hate the guy. Yeah, he's decayed as a writer but he clearly loves this stuff and there is an endearing earnestness to his attempts.
+Magitek1112 He's a lovable crazy old grandpa figure.
laz kar Meh. Doesn't sound that strange.
Many writers can't break out of their comfort zone, which hurts if it doesn't translate well into modern times.
@@MenwithHill even then, his writing is the fun kind of crap. Miller is just something else.
That guy who says that Frank Miller deserves a pass on anything he does, yeeeah that isn't an excuse for anyone, especially the man who wrote Holy Terror
BTIsaac you're serious?
sadly that's true
give a hoot don't pollute or we'll shoot
Henton: Ravage, please go jump off a bridge.
Ravage: OK. (Jumps off bridge.)
Ravage: Are you a criminal murderer, there are eye witnesses, reports, photos!
Henton: No.
Ravage: OK.
Stans Style of writting is 60s and he never really changed. But heres something he does really well. Establishing characters, motives, a world and an enviroment all in one issue! While other writters feel the need to do it in 12 issues, that may help with passing and with the flow, but when its not needed, dont do it! Its something i really admire in him. He always said he wanted to write a novel, he never did, its kinda sad. But i guess Spideys run counts as one big novel doesn't it. :)
And now never will...
Look for The Alien Factor
Or Alliances: A Trick of the Light
You're right, when looking back at the first Spiderman comic, nothing has changed about him since! One because Marvel is very protective of their brand, but also because it's tight efficient writing that builds up the world and it's characters perfectly.
Late, but:
His Spider-Man run would be best described as 3 Novels. Lee/Ditko, Lee/Romita Sr., Lee/Gil Kane.
You know what the 2099 universe really needed? An US 1 2099.
Give a hoot, don't pollute, or we'll shoot. C'mon Lewis, it was staring you in your damnable face. Still love you tho.
"Christopher Perkins, you are a MASTER at suspense! What's your trick?"
"I can tell you in just one word-
i'll take amusingly stupid over frank millars writing *drops mic*
6:04 Not sure if it was a subverting expectations thing or you just didn't think of it but damn.
"Give a hoot
Don't Pollute
...
Or we'll Shoot!"
"Me Ravage, me think good" Ok, that went from a murderous robot cat to Grimlock real fast..... I love transformers jokes.
I love Stan Lee.
He is a precious cinnamon roll.
The good kind.
I just noticed the "Elf" woman had wings on her ankles, so that means she's probably some sort of Atlantian like Namor and considering her and Tigra are holograms, I assume that "fairy" is probably the Wasp. I would wonder why this is a hologram program in 2099, but maybe Rule 34 just got a huge update in the intervening years.
+Matt Lipton Rule 34 in virtual reality...*shivers*
+The Vision There is no freedom from it.
There is only freedom through it.
@@thevision3150 Basically a Star Trek Holodeck...especially at Quarks
Namor doesn't have the ankle wings because he's Atlantean, it's because he's a mutant. Other Atlanteans don't have the ankle wings or flight abilities that Namor has.
Ravage 2099: still a better name than Ravagers
And a more effective character overall than Harvest.
The joke you made about G1 Transformers made me think of the one called Ravage - that jaguar Decepticon who turns into one of Soundwave's cassettes.
Captain Planet 2099, where he's an evil dictator... now that has potential.
Captain Planet 2099: The power is y̶o̶u̶r̶s̶ mine!
@@RabblesTheBinxHow do you write in a line crossing out a word in a UA-cam comment like that?
@@adamdavis1648 i think I used a strikethrough font generator. Can't remember, though.
@@RabblesTheBinx Interesting; thanks anyway.
What if Captain Planet became Thanos because nobody listened to him?
Story wise stan lee's stuff holds up fairly well, even if it's abit basic or goofy, dialouge is where stan le fails haaaaaarrrrrrrrrrd, no one in his stories has a indoor voice, it's just exclaiming loudly what's going on around the character, give Stan a dialouge writter and he can do prety well still, frank miller on the otherhand needs a dialouge editor, or eraser as it were
The title card makes me think he’s gonna start singing the Captain America throws his mighty shield song
I think the reason people defend Miller and not Stan Lee is simply due to the generation gap.
I imagine many who watch these videos grew up when Miller was at his best and read his books religiously as teens.
However I doubt anyone here was even alive when Lee was at his best, or have read much of his work outside of re-prints and anthology books.
No. When people defend Miller, it's because they, consciously or unconsciously, embrace the same hateful beliefs that Miller does. They've learned that if they attack those who criticize bad behavior, the critics are forced to defend themselves instead of use their efforts to continue criticizing bad behavior (and sometimes just stop because it's not worth it). If the critics stop criticizing bad behavior, then bad behavior becomes normalized. After all, why fight any misogynist, racist, or homophobic impulses you might have if no one is going to call you on it?
@@roguishpaladin I mean yeah, this is a pretty damn good deconstruction of them.
9:27-9:40 This is showing off that strong continuity the 2099 books had thanks to editor Joey Cavalieri.
(22:54)
*"Just glue some gears on it*
*and call it steampunk,*
*that's the trendy fashion nowadays.*
*The copper-painted chunk,*
*of some ninety-eighties junk, will fetch a pretty penny on Ebay."*
I'm gonna miss the Man that brought us such joy, even in his more baffling works. EXCELSIOR
Ravage looks like a redheaded version of He-Man from the Masters of the Universe movie.
Sounds like Stan Lee is the George Lucas of Comic books; the premier, well respected creators who where lauded back in the day, but haven't adapted their ways and their style has become outdated
Dack: "My dad wasn't no polluter!"
Ravage: "Shut up, Dack!"
Are people really serious about Frank Miller and Stan Lee. Stan had way more of an impact on comics than Frank.
Well, Frank did have a big impact on comic books. He (along with Alan Moore and others) introduced a new kind of grittiness that DC saw was successful, and continually tried to replicate. It was unsuccessful, working less and less each time, until finally we got to the New 52, where (almost) everything was needlessly dark, gritty, edgy, and hopeless, with none of the fun and levity that used to be more prominent in comics, especially in DC. DC finally seems to be realizing that, as demonstrated in DC Rebirth, and hopefully they change course for the better.
Stan is pretty much a overrated writer and fraud who cheated Kirby and Ditko in their contribution to the marvel comics .
Jeddostotle7, except we had other writers doing that way before Miller. Miller was just the guy that helped change Batman's pop culture identity more so than his comics identity. Which is one of those weird incongruities.
Mutroids? Are they the floating parasitic jellyfish things?
Your thinking about Metroids!
stan lee is a lot like ice cube. the way he writes and flows his words never changed since he started.
*A PIECE OF THE WORLD IS STILL MISSING*
Gratuitous Lurking not anymore
Ravages outfit reminds me of what one of the bone Gnawer werewolves would wear in werewolf the apocalypse
26:44 SPOILER
you're possessed by the entity, but i'm gonna save that for a couple of years and work with your enemy so that you can be free of the entity
Duuuuuuuuude 2099’s kid is one my favorite characters!
I have an idea on why people complain about you insulting Frank Miller, but not about you insulting Stan Lee. Miller's fans, unlike Stan Lee's fans, are in denial about his flaws and, like everyone who's compensating for something, have disproportionate reactions to anyone who hits them in their insecurities.
See I figured that it was because riffing on Stan Lee is done lovingly because Stan was a great person with some bad writing, whereas Frank Miller is infectious human waste and Linkara treats him accordingly.
@@PosthumanHeresy Stan Lee was also unafraid to make jokes at his own expense, so his fans can take jokes and criticism. Frank Miller takes himself too seriously, and so do his fans. But I do agree with your point, I think this is just another part of it.
All of this, thank you.
@@christophermitchell9739 yeeeeepp, right on the head
21:19
It's simple, but that little gesture makes this even funnier.
almost 4 years later, and now we're starting to understand the message partly, although there's still probably more to it
Judging by the titlecard, this was looking like a story about Leman Russ cosplaying as Captain Planet.
The 2099 branding actually makes sense, as you immediately know this is set in the potential future 2099. Seems silly, but it's also easy branding.
+Zachary Amaranth
Which would later be recycled to the ultimates line and decline in quality just as quickly
ColeVecsion In terms of branding or story? I don't follow the Ultimates, because I thought the early line was pretty awful from the start. I don't think the branding is the issue, though. Linkara's example of N64 titles (something which started with the SNES and continues to this day) made for an especially easy way to identify products for said console(s). Knowing Ravage was a 2099 comic would have been a good thing...had they been good in the first place. Well, I did enjoy Spider-Man.
Amaranth ravage 64
I find this to be kind of a shame really, because it doesn't seem all that bad. Okay it's really stupid, nonsensical, characters lack motivation or originality, the designs are dumb... I was defending this right?
But anyway this one kinda reaches an almost "so bad it's funny" level with just how dumb everything is.
I'll just say I would rather read "Man covered in garbage drives around in garbage truck to fight stupid cooperation", over "Crazy Steve's wacky world" any day.
+Daniel F. To be fair, this was only the first issue he covered and stupid can still entertaining at times.
Such an evil "cooperation"
I noticed a trend. In general, the worst of Marvel (exceptions being stuff like Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum. And Marville) tends to be stupid and trite, but still at least a little entertaining. Probably because with Marvel, alternate universes are still kinda cannon.
The worst of DC tends to be offensive, boring, lazy, AND stupid. Probably because with DC they're like "just slap an Elseworlds label on the cover and it's no longer cannon, meaning the characters can act however we want and no one can get mad!"
I'm not saying that this is always the case or I KNOW this to be true, but that does seem to be the trend just from watching Linkara.
+David Spring Marvel has its offensive moments. Original Sin and One More Day are two examples modern examples. For more classic comics, Avengers #200 is one of the worst mainstream comics ever.
But yeah, on average most of Marvel's worst moments (Clone Saga and The Crossing immediately come to mind, the latter of which Linkara really, really needs to review) are just dumb while many of DC's worst moments make you feel like you need a shower.
Christopher Blair true, I did forget to mention Original Sin, One More Day, and Avengers #200, but I did say that there were exceptions. but thank you for bringing them up, I do prefer to be thorough.
why do you consider Original sin up to One more day standarts
I love the outfit too linkara, I do too.
Is it just me, or does dethstryke look like Dr Doom fused with Judas Traveler?
+hydranoid2009 Oh, fuck everything if that actually happens.
No you’re not the only one. Maybe he’s part Deathstroke to given the name. I wonder if he’d ever join forces with Doctor Doomsday (actual amalgam universe character, exactly what it sounds like, we are all DOOMED)
15:42
"Nothing! Absolutely nothing! Stupid! You're so stupid!"
I watched this video way back in the day when it was first uploaded on the old site. 2099 month got me interested in the 2099 universe as I've enjoyed other Marvel alternate futures like MC2. I've read some of the series here and there over the years, but I only recently started reading 2099 in its entirety. So for this read through, I'm reading ever issue of every 2099 series in a recommended order. In that context, Ravage 2099 is not bad at all. As part of the larger whole, it contributes to the overall world building. There are obviously problems with this comic but several of the things pointed out in this video do actually have answers and make sense. I wouldn't call Ravage one of the strongest 2099 comics, but I think it's okay.
Anyway, I know this is an old video and all, but thanks for this and all your videos!
This video is a smidge harder to watch now
You know, I think that scene in the garbage dump at the end actually *could* work if Ravage was insane, like if he'd been struck on the head or was depicted as having snapped due to everything that happened. There's just something about the talking to himself, the suit he put together, and choosing the almost 100-year-old garbage truck that you could really get behind if he was completely nuts, like The Creeper or Freakazoid...
6:47 Anybody notice the Peace Symbol on the side of the building? Apparently, Captain Planet recruited hippies to his dreaded ”Eco Patrol”.
I think this was the comic Steve Ditko was meant to come back to Marvel to work with Stan on, but backed out, stating he disagreed with the story's "philosophical underpinnings." Probably he meant the anti-industrialist slant the whole corporate dystopia implies. If so, it's a shame they couldn't turn it around somehow. I'd love to see what Ditko would do with a cyberpunk environment.
As an aside, if Lee actually scripted this (it reads like it), it's another good example of why he should stick to the "Marvel method."
1:02 I read the rest of that letter. I don't recommend it for anyone who doesn't want to despise someone they don't know. Because apparently not wanting to see women objectified is a clear sign that one is a homosexual, which is also a bad thing, I guess.
Ten years of ravage 2099
The reason they put ravage in charge because he doesn't ask for payment
I love how his pistol is HUGE, like you mentioned, but the barrel is TINY. My only hope is it's some sort of energy weapon and there is a very complex battery system or charging mechanism in there.
6:04 ”The choice was never yours!” Linkara, your ”Captain Planet conquered the world” theory is becoming a more likely scenario.
Maybe the Don Cheadle CP had enough
Who is paying for the Eco-Patrol? Did this polluter pay for their service? The cops won't help unless you pay. Why do these guys?
As much as I love the colour and vibrancy of the 1990's comic scene, a LOT of it was inspired by Rob Liefield - zany hair, hyper-militaristic outfits, story and character traded for violence and spectacle. Ravage really seems to exemplify a lot of those lazy tropes. And kind of reminds me how lucky we are with the comics we get nowadays.The industry is about a thousand times better for growing out of this kind of nonsense.
5:26 Plot twist: This comic is secretly a sequel to the Captain Planet Funny or Die sketch.
Excuse you sir but I am NOT a Slifer Slacker. I’m a Uria Underachiever
14:12 Considering "shock" is a curse word in 2099, does that mean he's saying "That's the most f##king thing I've heard?"
Have I gone full plebe then? I did enjoy the Ravage stories back in the day. They weren't anything too special but they were interesting enough. To me they gave me a look into the worst the 2099 world was, the under belly and ugliness of being under a corporate controlled atmosphere. But I was 11 at the time.
+Mario Wendorf You were 11 at the time, so your tastes changed and you may have encountered stories that did what Ravage did, but better. And even if you didn't you shouldn't feel less of a person for liking something not a lot of other people like.
24:56 thats not Dethstryk, thats Carjack! The most evil villain of all!
It could be pronounced "Rah-Vahj"
In 2050 disney changed its name to alchemax by 2070 they gained their goal of owing everything.
10:40 Well, it is the Marvel Universe. That goes without saying.
Stan Lee is a fantastic concept writer.
He just needed to hone his execution skills that way the books *he* wrote felt natural. I have a similar problem where I can't write dialogue to save my life, but if it comes to setting a scene I can provide an MS Paint map and draw lines to show the characters in motion.
Stan Lee can be mocked and critiqued because he's invulnerable. His fans know he doesn't care what people think of him and his love of comics and heroes is infectious. Miller is toxic and thus attracts similar fans, Lee was always positive even when he failed to succeed and his fans reflect that.
how would the garbage truck still work let a lone have gas for a good 88 years I know its a comic but still also can you do part 2 of the comic I really love it
Lazer Peabody and how was he not nuked for that? He had a super polluting thing, while people get shot for pissing in the alley
I idolize no man. Nobody is above criticism. True a person can build goodwill, but they may also lose it.
... Ravage would buy a Cybertruck, wouldn't he.
why isn't this marked as a storyline episode? Consider the long lasting effects of that note from the future it really should be.
Dethstryk looks like Judas Traveller 2099
0:50 This is NOT one of the worst comics of all time. It's not even the worst Marvel comic that isn't Marville, Ultimate Power, or One More Day that Linkara has done on his show. It's dumb, the artwork is passable at best, and it was clearly only written because nobody could say no to Stan Lee, but anyone who would put this on their Worst of List is blissfully unaware of so much crap. I envy them, and I suspect Lewis does as well.
Ahh ravage, I don’t care what people say I freaking love the big musclebound dummy. Granted it may partially be nostalgia, I wouldn’t be into comics if not for picking up a doom 2099 comic at a used book store and the 2099 universe being a personal fav of mine. The ravage comics do get better in my opinion or at least more entertaining though I do love the early ones too before he’s mutated
I just noticed this because Stan Lee has done this before but is...... Is DethSryke suppose to be Stan Lee parodying Dr. Doom? For those unaware, Jack Kirby always used to gag with Stan about how HE was Dr. Doom back in the golden days and so I guess Stan actually did it as Tribute. That's sweet
I just looked it up. This comic lasted 33 issues. Life is stupid.
And might have gone further if not for the crash as they did not cancel books willy nilly back then
Why hasn't Ravage 2099 in the MCU 🤔🤣 Lol I like Stan lee's sense of humor & stuff in his writing.
Ruminations are missing.
Aww, I love the ruminations.
+ChronicNOTAG Sure they'll be fixed soon enough.
10:05 Looten Plunder vs. Human Bebop and Human Rocksteady!
I know that they probably aren't bad but would you mind doing an episode about the gloriously badass Batwoman? That is the single one comic that really makes me want to get back to purchasing comic books. But last I heard the series was scrapped due to the authors ragequitting because of editorial rules.
tiana must be busy being everyone's secretary
Ravage the Decepticon superior, Ravage the Superhero inferior
8:34 Insert post-apocalyptic Flintstones joke here.
So someone who owns the entire run, fully preserved. Is either a fool or a genius?
Hey, I loved THIS IS SPARTA!
Great review as usual! Just catching up on some older episodes. I have wondered what Linkara's opinion of Marvel Zombies is, I don't recall him bringing it up outside of Long Box of the Damned. Also I concur with Linkara, Frank Miller's recent work cannot be excused.
he did actually mention it on LotD (summer edition) and he liked it.
+Frank Castle oh that's good I had wondered as I had been a fan of the series at the time thank you
Np
General rule of thumb is if he puts it in the Longbox he thought it was good as opposed to say the Thing or Silent Hill
But it is kind of awesome to have some dude wearing trash as the one combating polluters
The guy at the end looks like a robotic Julius traveler
OH MY GOD I WANT A HOLOCRON BOX SET OF "THE BLOODGUN OF BLOODGUN" FRANCHISE!
Oh,so the 90s kid predicted Linkaras poor choice in fashion?Cool.
The guys in the blue suit and the red glasses look like mega man super fighting robot.
As Stan never was pope, Ravage2099 was/is *not* a "call to a crusade" in/from the future …
Let's see, Frank Miller is a man known for violent comic books and possibly violent viewpoints and his fans react to criticism with threats. Stan Lee who everybody says is a A-OK guy has fans that do not react that way........ really think about that for a moment.
Fast forward to 2023, when I'm watching this video and with politicians who are trying to ban electric vehicles or establish minimum amounts of power that must come from burning coal in some states and the idea of terrorists who are just out to pollute things for pollution's sake just doesn't sound ridiculous anymore.
Oh, yeah, I no longer criticize Captain Planet levels of cartoonish villainy as unrealistic. I was giving the real world waaaay too muchcredit.
@@AT4W We all were.
Captain Chevrolet!
Fox: Would be cool to see Linkara 2099
Its Mecha Judas Traveler!
restionSerpentine That's Doctor Dumas Von Traveler to you...
Stan Lee created Overtkill. Bless the man.
+MarginalSC That cyborg villian from Spawn?
EHH246 Yeah. There's a video of Stan Lee demonstrating the character creation process floating around on UA-cam. He came up with the name then had Liefeld go ham IIRC.
@@MarginalSC typical stan lee
I think this episode is missing from the storyline playlist, I was incredibly confused when the message from the future was brought up and only now watching the entire backlog do I understand what happened there.
When you watch the episode on UA-cam, does the advertisement money go to UA-cam or Linkara?
Just wanna know who I'm supporting...
I think linkara gets some money and UA-cam gets some money.
+LeHobbitFan Pretty much what Frank Castle said. Any video host gets a cut of the money since they're hosting the video at the cost of their storage and bandwidth, but I get paid, too.
Hey linkara while I have you I'd like to talk to you about your view on trades and covers.
I figured just because _you're_ reading it from a trade doesn't mean _everyone_ is reading from a trade. Some people don't like trades and others just don't have any. That's my two cents, thanks for your time.
+LeHobbitFan google gets most of it either way
5 years into the future you got the more guns part right...the freedom part yeah not so much lol