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Thank you both for taking the time to come by and visit us at the booth last week. It was a real pleasure to meet you and your wife. Tell her I'm sorry if I scared her a bit with the demo!! Don't forget, we do market to the industrial sector but if you want one for the garage shop... John A. will happily install one wherever you want!
@@Pepe-dq2ib On the bigger ones you don't pay much more than comparable saws from PM etc. I do wish they could get the jobsite ones cheaper for tradesmen.
In Bavaria, every carpenter works with an Altendorf, or if the boss don't like the Altendorf and has the money, it's a Martin. But, since 1996, I worked on Altendorf Elmos F 45 for about 90 %, with CNC driven fence. Till today, a state of the art product, for me, the one and only 😁😂🧡‼️
My daughter and I were at AWFS last summer. She was one of the students in the fresh wood competition. We met Brad and talked to him for a few minutes as he demonstrated the product. It was awesome and it was great meeting him.
Hey there! I had a blast meeting you two there! That piece she created was more than impressive and I hope she keeps pushing the envelope of her skills to see what else she comes up with!!
How would this react to a board catching the blade wrong, kicking out, and pulling your hand in as it kicks the board? Wonder how fast the computer can see that coming, because that sort of accident happens in a split second.
@@Maxime-ho9iv The average computer can do 5-500 billion computations a second. On the low end, that's a calculation ever 12 nano seconds. If a kickback takes half a second , that's 500,000 nano seconds. In that time, the computer can perform 41,666 computations.
Hebrock saw. Saw Stop is a terrific invention, and they did try to offer it to other saw makers. too bad it didnt work. However it is great to see a new alternate technology come on board that is there to protect our fingers and hands from the blade. I know it is industrial only now but I believe time will evolve it down to the home woodworker. great stuff.
Professional shops as well as small shops must also factor in incident costs. Just one minor accident on a table saw could cost several thousand dollars to over a $100,000 if nerve damage occurs, just in medical bills. Now factor in fines levied by OSHA if/when they find an issue. And then come the Lawyers and then your insurance rates go up and can even affect your ability to bid on projects. This looks like a very well built machine that will help increase production, boost employee confidence while using the saw and help you produce a better product. If I had the production volume and room in a production shop, I would seriously consider this saw. I would assume financing would be available, either through the manufacturer or as a low interest business loan.
I work in a small wood shop that has an older Altendorf with a 10 foot sliding bed. I can definitely attest to the quality. I’ve always said if I had a small shop of my own, and could only have one tool, it would be a sliding tablesaw, The precise cut beats anything I’ve seen.
THANK YOU!! It's great that you are on here and have first hand experience with the saw. I can talk it up all day but it speaks volumes when an actual customer endorses it!!😊😊😊
I worked on 2 Altendorf table saws every day for years and neither of them ever broke down. fantastic saws. This new tech looks great, albeit untouchable for a small shop due to price.
Is it probably super expensive? Yes. I do think this is one of the best and most thought-out saws I've seen. Hopefully, they can make hobbyist ones priced competitively with sawstop sooner than later.
The rumor that I heard was that a regular saw kept stopping even though hands weren’t even close and when a black dude tried to put his hand close to the blade, it wouldn’t stop. You need to buy an AI option to make it work better and pay super expensive monthly fees for the AI. Like I said I didn’t hear this first hand.
The downside of the the SawStop is you have to replace an expensive cartridge and scrap your expensive blade or dado set. I bet this Altendorf saw is at least twice as expensive but I like the technology. However, you don't need any of this expensive technology, simply use common sense and safe practices, keep your hands well away from the blade.
@@petemclinc You sound like the administration in the white house telling me to buy a tesla because they are inexpensive and they don't understand why you don't have one yet.
I wish Festtool (who bought Sawstop) didn't sue bosch for trying to implement similar safety features into their saws. I really like boschs concept, just like sawstop they simply measure the conductivity of the material, to check if it's wood or your finger. but unlike sawstop they don't stop and destroy the blade by ramming a aluminum block into it with explosives, but instead use the explosives to shoot the blade downwards and therefore you just have to change the explosives and not the blade and aluminum block as well. it was a relatively cheap and very safe system. I'm just waiting for the sawstop patent to run out
We bought a Altendorf saw around 2004,around 2015 was the first time a repair had to be done. This saw was used at least 4 hours a day,every day. Glad to see the new Hand Saver! They make a Really Great Saw! Thanks for the video.
I’ve used alfendorf saws in workshop environments most of my career. they are the best table saws on the market. The rolls Royce of saws for sure. once you use a sliding panel saw everything else feels like going back in time.
Thank you for the love! I can't agree more and not from an employee standpoint. I was looking at the Altendorf F25 for my own company prior to working for them and looked/researched and got hands on with others but the Altendorf design, materials and manufacturing results in the hands down best product available. Plus it will last long enough for me to pass it down to my kids.
@@BradSnyderAltendorf yeah they are incredible. Accuracy like nothing else and paired with a two or three bag extractor they are so clean. essential in a shop that’s cutting MDF for hours on end every day. Also, a small detail but changing the blade on a f45 takes me about 20 seconds. it’s just such a well designed saw.
id be more interested to see what it can do in a kick back situation where the saw driives your hand through the blade from the back before you even know what happened. im curious why they never did a test like that, and am curious if its fast enough for that.
saw this at IWF last year in Atlanta and spoke with the reps. Great technology, especially the reset (no replacement of breakblock or blade). Not sure if it will ever be cheap enough for the DIYer (that drop drive system is very expensive). Great to see you sharing it with everyone!!
Yea, didn't he say the carriage that is dropped down at high speed was 200+ kilograms (400+ lbs.). That's gonna need serious, high torque motor mechanisms. I assume this machine runs on 3 phase power.
This saw brand is worth its weight in gold. I was using one that’s nearly 20 years old today and it’s still bullet proof and accurate. That new technology is amazing. Nice video mate
I'm not dissing this saw or video at all but it probably takes it's weight in gold to buy it! My 30-year old Jet still works fine so guess I'll stick with it. If I ever upgrade it will probably be a Sawstop 😃
Thanks for all the love! It is a double edged sword selling such a high quality product. I can 100% stand behind our machines but once I sell it to a shop... unless they grow in not going to be selling them another saw!
If you’re using a saw professionally, this saw pats for itself rather quickly. I can mill and process hardwoods and sheet goods far faster with much higher quality cuts and with far more accuracy. American cabinet saws can’t hold a candle to a good slider. And Altendorf saws are top notch.
Let me rephrase it. This saw is worth it weight in gold if you have a busy shop and are either processing timber from rough sawn to finish quality timber or are breaking down sheets of MDF and ply every day. It will pay for itself by way of less hours/ Labour to make a finished product ie. Furniture or door linings and solid timber doors for instance. 😊👍🏻
I'm glad to be living in a time, place, and economy where technology like this is able to be developed. Yes it is expensive. Yes it takes a long time for the price to come down to a level where the hobbyist can afford it. However, here it is possible. I'm thankful to be here in America. Stay awesome.
@@MrMrMr2006 Germany makes good products, but that doesn't mean they'll be affordable to the average consumer. These will likely bottom out at thousands of dollars, which is still outside the range of what most hobbyists would consider "affordable."
@@AuntJemimaGames sorry, I wasn't clear 😉 I replied because the other person was thankful to be in America, which I found art as the saw originates in Germany. Hence my remark 😉 Germany makes great tools and I wish I had an Altendorf in my garage! Cheers from the Netherlands 😉
I own a sawstop and yah its not the most powerful versatile tablesaw and yes its expensive but my fingers cost more than the extra cost of the saw. I like tbis tech. If i ever get a bigger shop i might consider this saw
Hoping at some point that these safety features will make it into cheaper saws. Especially here in Europe we only have the Festool saws with Sawstop tech but they are simply too small - we need a proper European saw 🤞🏻
Altendorf has been a very popular brand for professional woodworkers in Europe for years. Amazing quality and precision. And the sled and general precision have been present for decades now, nothing bad to say about Altendorf table saws
i watched the Altendorf demostration of this at Ligna (woodworking fair in Hannover/Germany) this year. Really impressive. The cameras even detected a childs hand
For $1 million dollars :p. Hammer has some blade stopping tech too. It's good to see vendors trying new detection systems out, even if the saw is out of my price range. Thanks for including it.
Hammer (Felder) uses the CS system and does not control the motor assembly when it activates. They use magnets that disengage and allows the motor to just drop down. Our motor assembly is driven by servo motors and is controlled the entire way, not allowing the motor to bottom out or be damaged in any way. That is how we are able to be back up and cutting 10 seconds after the safety system activates.
The definition of adapt and overcome. Sawstop not wanting to release a patent so other companies use this technology to save peoples hands. This company developed a new way to stop injuries. Awesome!! Thanks Mighty Matt!
A patent they never should have been awarded since the technologies were already in touch to turn on lamps and well brakes are on every car. Or at least a 2-5 year utility patent only for combining them. Not this 20 year garbage they were awarded.
@@delxinogaming6046 If you read the patent case as was the understanding of most manufacturers that they should not have been awarded the patent in the first place. Since it was using two existing technologies. Which would have disqualified them for anything more than a 5 year utility patent. They later went on to get awarded a 20-year patent which was done under very dubious circumstances. The company was not started by people that wanted to make a difference it was made by people that were long time patent attorneys and abused their connections in the approval process to get awarded a patent they never should have been. This is why Europe does not recognize it and allows people like Bosch to have a competitive product. Since their's do not use a brake and capacitive technology was already existing in touch lamps from 1954 and those patents had long expired.
Don't forget sawstop also tried to get legislation passed that would have required their system on all industrial table saws which would have essentially gave them a monopoly.
love to see new innovation. Would like to see the telescopic hinged lateral support truss a more contrasting color than the rest of the machine. had he not picked up his feet when he sat on the table saw, he would have had them pinched underneath. nothing was extreme as losing a finger and extremely unlikely of an event, but I would want to be aware of moving parts, especially if something could get caught in there. Otherwise, very nice. Can't wait to see the future.
Great video! Eventually advances in technology make what is high-tech today, obsolete or a runner-up tomorrow. Remember VHS?--> Made obsolete by compact discs --> made obsolete by streaming audio/video. With technology, you can never get too comfortable. Although SawStop has had an incredibly long run.
That's brilliant! Altendorf table saws are already awesome, and this tech makes them even better! Would love to see the camera/AI system added to smaller units.
Love this, but man I know that a) I don't need a production saw like that, and b) I'm not cashing out my 401k to buy one lol. That safety system though - that's the smartest design I've seen.
So don't get me wrong, I love that someone else is trying to do this and bringing it to market! The side "I" don't like is being electronic. yes they have come along ways but I have also seen way too many new electronics fail. I would be worried of a failure like that and it not allowing it to drop properly. However maybe there is more safety features built in to help prevent this? Again great idea and hope to see more things like this on a hobbiest level!
Mechanical things break, too. And most of the time, on industrial machinery, you’ll still need a tech to come repair it. I used to share your opinion, but after embracing things like DROs, I’ve found my work flow to be far more efficient and the end quality to be higher.
@montet202 I agree that mechanical can also fail but in my experience just more reliability then electronics. Coming from the maintenance side of a big mfg company I deal with way too many electrical issues on our machines. However, half the plant is also 80 year old retro fitted stuff 😅.
@@techmike36 for sure. There are certainly trade offs. But if, say a DRO actuated fence saves me 200 hours over the course of a year and breaks down once every five years for a day or two, I’m still money ahead.
Matt, very interesting mating high tech with high precision saw. Now waiting for what else you found at the show. Thanks for being our team on the go, looking for new/updated methods and tools.
For the price, I am sure it will be better than I expect, but the camera technology scares me slightly. Cameras (mixed with a program) can do amazing stuff, but being fast and precise at the same time? The problems I forsee is probably only something a beginner does, and again, this isn't for them. I think having the capacitive blade, for backup, would be a better idea. Allin all, this is an amazing machine. Looks nice, has some nice features, and the sliding bed has always been an interesting design to me.
Impressive technology. Definitely seems like this sensor approach is something that could eventually be scaled down to a hobbyist level similar to SawStop.
@@jameszaccardo1520 as of right now this technology took about 10 years to develop and it's essentially an option that costs around €10k. It will probably take years until it can compete with sawstop for hobbyists.
in principle its pretty simple concept, you can run basic machine vision with just a raspberry pi, triggering the safety system is just sending a signal to a relay, modifying off the shelf table saw to mechanically retract is probably the most complicated thing to solve, or maybe just replacing the blade height adjustment crank with a clearpath servo or just a nema 34 stepper, cranking that handle at around 1500rpm would most likely get the blade out of the way pretty quick and the whole system should be around 300-400usd in parts... (600-700 in case of clearpath servo)
@@dubi127 Conceptually it is indeed simple. That doesn't mean making it well is also easy. You have to have a vision system that works quick and well in all kinds of situations (dust, debris, ...) and you need to make sure that you have an extremely low level of false positives and absolutely no false negative. In other words: making a quick proof of concept is indeed not that hard, but making it into a product that works flawless is a lot less easy.
So long as they don't charge a subscription fee or something for it at the consumer level (preferably even at the industrial level either), it looks good.
Definitely cool tech. I wonder how reliable the hand detection is, as it's software based, rather than the much more simple capacitive contact detection that SawStop uses. I imagine (I hope) they have tested the heck out of it, as a failure would most likely lead to liability lawsuits. Anyway, it's great to see this kind of safety tech integrated into the saw, and I hope it will make it into consumer-level saws soon.
That coupled with the emergency brake would be amazing with regards to safety. Think of it as a failsafe in case the AI glitches. I work in technology and computers break down over time, so it wouldn't be a bad idea to combine the two technologies into one. This might actually be the first application of AI that I like.
This is a fascinating leap in tech. I'm sure my SawStop was once looked at in a similar light a long time ago. My late uncle wished that I'd save up for a SawStop. I guess, when I'm in my mid-80s, I'll be telling people that THIS is a must have for the same reasons he told me. Thanks for sharing this with us... I doubt I would have seen it any time soon otherwise!!
Here in the US most big shops are using CNC for panel processing, the mid size and small shops like mine are still using sliding table saws, id love to have one, but that is a hefty price
Beautiful! One need only sell both kidneys and your firstborn to afford it. Oh, and the guy with the single-bay garage workshop, guess what? LOL This thing is simply amazing! I DO have the room for it, but I wasn't born rich and can't spare a kidney, so I'll have to stick to my $800 saw and get the centerfold foldout of this to hang by my saw. Thanks for the video! As a retired radar engineer, I am forever enamored with cool technology!!
I'd like to see how it handles kickback that pulls a hand into the blade. Response time of the vision system needs to be millisecond level full retraction.. Got a link to a demo of that?
First let me say that I enjoy all your videos and have learned a lot from you as well as from many others in the woodworking community. As a retired software developer who just recently picked up the hobby and purchased new tools, I can tell you that the software component to identify and detect the/a hand within the danger zone and send a stop signal is not the problem, or the major cost component. The design and the mechanics of driving down the blade and its associated physical components (motor, etc ) represents the real problem/costs in overriding the inertia of moving heavy equipment faster than you are moving your hand forward. In a sliding table you can at least compensate for that by controlling the speed with which you can move the slide, but on any other table you might need to put a roller in front of the blade or in the fence to do that same function. You will still need to be able to drive down the blade structure fast enough. One of two ways that it could be accomplished, and it would be rather unusual, would be using compressed air or the firing of a 27 caliber blank driving it down achieving cheap resets without harming the blade.
@@ejd53 Oh certainly but there are other companies that can build alternatives so hopefully this starts to become a thing There needs to be more competition and innovation. Saw stop can't be the ONLY dog in the park forever.
@@MemelordSupreme Well luckily, the patents started expiring in 2020, and things should be completely up by 2024 according to some research I did. Here's hoping.
This looks like an amazing piece of kit. Although i have heard reports for it struggling in poor lightning conditions and with shadow's, causing faulse activations. I would like to see this kind of safty feature become available on a machine designed for the smaller workshop, i believe that both Altendorf and felder only offer them on the larger models.
Not so surprising I suppose, but a shop should be really well lit anyways - so I wouldn't expect this to be a problem in real world conditions. If I can afford this saw, I can afford proper lighting for sure!
@@joeporkka2047 you make a great point. I am just going on reviews that I have read where a few of them said that they had to disable this safty feature due to faulse tripping of the blade and Altendorf said it was due to poor lightning. No personal experience as they are well out of my price range and far to big for my shop. I would love to have one though and did look at them at one point.
@@joeporkka2047 I agree completely, but in my case, even standing to the side can cast a shadow and keep it from “seeing”. But yes, if I can afford a saw that costs that much, I can afford adequate lighting! 🙂
I'd be interested to see the fmea on the machine vision system. I'd still much prefer having the saw stop system as well. I can think of a lot of plausible edge cases and combinations of conditions that could cause the machine vision system to fail. So while it is a fantastic improvement and can greatly reduce down time, I'd still much rather it augment a capacitive system like the saw stop. It doesn't replace it.
This is cool and I might look into one for my shop. This is not a saw stop killer and I dont think this company has any intention of competing in the same market with saw stop. SawStop doesnt make commercial production saws such as these, rather sawstop caters to a more average consumer base. Altendorf just needs one 10" 3HP cabinet saw with this tech and Sawstop might be in a bit of trouble.
What about if there is some sort of a kickback that pulls your hand side ways? Also the biggest challenges with this tech is fast retraction. Vision system would not be that difficult or expensive. Since it is not destructive, you could easily over do it for safety.
The cameras are positioned in a way that it can probably still see your hand until its well past the blade, plus I'm sure with something with that much tech in it, its got some sort of kickback sensor that can trigger the blade retraction, especially since its non-destructive.
Great technology! We all owe a debt to SawStop’s inventor for forcibly creating this market, and it’s great to see new approaches towards the same goal: ten-fingered woodworkers!!
our shop has an altendorf elmo from the 90's. still works perfect. That sensor is very nice but is not a sawstop killer simply because of pricepoint. It is awesome that you save the blade and get back to using the saw within a few minutes. I triggered the brake on our sawstop ics and it took me a couple of hours to remove the spent cartridge and blade.
I had to reply...when the safety system activates, it takes 10 seconds for the blade to come back up and for you to be back up and cutting material. 😊😊
I use a slider table saw every day at work. You utilize hold down clamps for the work piece you are pushing thru. Your hands should never be as close as they are putting their hands. So, there is no risk of pulling hand into blade. This is wonderful technology! If a slider is being used the way it is intended, then there is very little danger
@@ryanpalmiter6863The point of this technology is not to work only when you did everything right in the right conditions. Or a normal table saw will do the same.
@Maxime-ho9iv I agree! I was referring to OP saying kickback pulling your hand in. I think this technology is wonderful and this/sawstop technology should be required for all table saws. The seat belt of table saws
Seems cool, I wonder how it performs in a kickback scenario or time where the hand is moving at a much high velocity. For now I’ll stay with my sawstop ✔️
This is so cool. In my old job I worked with 2 Altendorf table saws. Way way older than this. Not nearly as smooth as this one and dust collection was meh...but still very accurate. Heavy duty and built to last.
It definitely looks like I need a lottery win in the next few weeks. I know there are add-ons to regular saws that provide the sliding feature, but the LED/Camera setup is definitely a game changer. The add-on sliders are just that, they're an add-on and not integrated and engineered into the saw itself. This makes them feel a bit out of place, no matter how well designed they are. I would love to have a saw like that, for the DIYer/small scale woodworker. It would be something to hand down to my children and grand children and possibly even my great grand children. Definitely an investment in the future of wood working in general. Can't wait to see what else you show from AWFS, since it would be quite a while for me to be able to go to one of these shows and they don't have anything, anywhere near as elaborate up here in the Great White North.
Time for me to start doing lottery. Then buy much bigger house with land for big workshop... in southeast London... with permission to use machinery in a residential area or create a huge basement... £3million, minimum
@@BradSnyderAltendorf Currently 40 minutes northeast of Calgary in a small town called Beiseker, Alberta. I may be moving a bit further north to help look after my parents, who live in Lacombe, Alberta.
@@chrisflavelle1200 Got ya, well Akhurst Machinery would be your go to then. I was kinda hoping you were in Alaska, give me an excuse to go up there and do some business while also visiting my brother and his family!!😄
That's pretty awesome tech! I appreciate I'll most likely never own that saw or one like it, but maybe that technology can be put into a saw more affordable to someone on my level. It took me more than 10 years to save up for the SawStop cabinet saw. I don't think I have it in me to save up enough for this one!
Wow, what an awesome saw. How sad that I can't afford it 🙂 But perhaps this idea can be made into an Open Source project, like: take an old PC / Raspberry and a webcam and a remote-controlled power socket and at least switch off the power when a hand is detected too close. I know it's not the same but hey, what can we do.
From a layered safety perspective, it would be great if a saw contained both technologies. If the hand recognition ever failed for whatever reason, the SawStop sensor could back it up. Thanks for sharing!
one of the reasons we pursued this was to allow the operators to cut ANY material on their saw. A capacitive system cannot cut aluminum, concrete/masonry products, "wet" hardwoods but our system has no issues with these and other materials causing false activations.
@@BradSnyderAltendorf Excellent points that I did not consider while looking through my “wood working” safety glasses. It’s an impressive machine and I applaud the engineering and technology that went into it. Now, how do you get a brochure packaged into every “Safety First” banner shipped to carpenter/machinist shops ? ;)
@@BradSnyderAltendorfWhy did you not demonstrate the most likely scenario of an accident & that’s a hand being pulled in from the back/side from a kickback? People don’t generally put their hands in the path of the saw, the hand gets sucked in in a milisecond during the cut.
Does this table saw have any protection against kickback driving a body part into the blade? I see that the saw does have a riving blade but in the right condition kickback can still occur.
Pretty awesome! It's like laptops and PCs when they came out. Over 4 grand. Now you can get a decent one for less than a grand. Nice to see a real competitor to the Sawstop.
Seems super cool but would be even better if they could integrate the SawStop idea into it as a backup once the patents expire. Software can bug out but an electronic circuit that trips if something grounded comes in contact with it seems more reliable.
We have both at work. The Altendorf is an amazing industrial machine, but way too expensive for medium to small shops. We hate our two SawStops. They fire the cartridge once a month without touching the blade.
For the small price of the entire inventory of sawstop saws from your local store LOL Jokes aside, thanks for sharing. This will be great for the industry and provide some competition hopefully down the line and lead to more innovation and trickle down for us normal folk
As a software engineer, I wouldn’t trust any proactive software safety mechanism without a physical reactive backup like a sawstop. Software engineers are notoriously bad at writing software
Software engineers aren't "notoriously bad" at writing software (yeah, I'm sure some are), but they're not great at envisioning every potential use case. As soon as you think you have an idiot proof product, the world provides bigger idiots to prove you wrong. As a non-software guy managing a bunch of software engineers doing control systems for heavy equipment, I can assure you that it's hard to simultaneously account for all of the stupid things humans will try to do without getting in the way of what a good operator is trying to accomplish.
@@rohlfing63 You're exactly right...but I'd still agree that the general quality of coding (especially when interfacing real-world scenarios) is middling at best.
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They should have tested it with a hotdog sausage. Sometimes you might want to crosscut one of those and the sawstop tables won't let you.
Thank you both for taking the time to come by and visit us at the booth last week. It was a real pleasure to meet you and your wife. Tell her I'm sorry if I scared her a bit with the demo!! Don't forget, we do market to the industrial sector but if you want one for the garage shop... John A. will happily install one wherever you want!
You have a flair for showmanship! Kudos for an entertaining and informative presentation.
Super exciting
You’ve got that Jeff Bridges + Texas charm. Great product too!
that saw is just beautiful
What an awesome machine
Anything that can keep woodworkers safe is a win in my book. But it’s probably going to be out of the reach of most of us. Anyway, 10/10.
I'm guessing it costs more than a lot of us paid for our homes! Pretty cool though!
True but it will be common at a much cheaper rate in time. Tech actually does trickle down
After I hit the Lotto, it will be in my garage… 😅
@@Slowhand871 yeah, the sawstop came out in 1999 and 23yrs later, trickled down into something even more expensive.
@@Pepe-dq2ib On the bigger ones you don't pay much more than comparable saws from PM etc. I do wish they could get the jobsite ones cheaper for tradesmen.
As a computer scientist who also does woodworking, it is awesome to see this type of technology crossover. Thanks for sharing!
As a tablesaw, I don't like cutting off fingers.
@@michaelkvalvik7358 Yea, right
As a computer scientist I don't know how I'd feel about trusting my fingers to computer vision 😬
@@tehbieber Same. First thing I thought of was "hell no" and I work in the software industry.
@@garagehobbies I mean, whatcha think makes sawstop work?
In Bavaria, every carpenter works with an Altendorf, or if the boss don't like the Altendorf and has the money, it's a Martin.
But, since 1996, I worked on Altendorf Elmos F 45 for about 90 %, with CNC driven fence. Till today, a state of the art product, for me, the one and only 😁😂🧡‼️
Purchased a $35k Robland saw last year but now I really want this... Take my money!!
My daughter and I were at AWFS last summer. She was one of the students in the fresh wood competition. We met Brad and talked to him for a few minutes as he demonstrated the product. It was awesome and it was great meeting him.
Hey there! I had a blast meeting you two there! That piece she created was more than impressive and I hope she keeps pushing the envelope of her skills to see what else she comes up with!!
How would this react to a board catching the blade wrong, kicking out, and pulling your hand in as it kicks the board?
Wonder how fast the computer can see that coming, because that sort of accident happens in a split second.
judging by how every other comment besides the kickback questions get some harts / like symbols i guess this is something we dont talk about :-)
There is no way a computer will do this computation in the time it is required to save your hand.
@@Maxime-ho9iv The average computer can do 5-500 billion computations a second. On the low end, that's a calculation ever 12 nano seconds. If a kickback takes half a second , that's 500,000 nano seconds. In that time, the computer can perform 41,666 computations.
@@StroalOutdoors But it is probably not only CPU causing the delay (camera speed, transfer speed, etc.).
@@liquido11 They do add delay, but it's still very possible.
Hebrock saw. Saw Stop is a terrific invention, and they did try to offer it to other saw makers. too bad it didnt work. However it is great to see a new alternate technology come on board that is there to protect our fingers and hands from the blade. I know it is industrial only now but I believe time will evolve it down to the home woodworker. great stuff.
Awesome saw, and always a pleasure to listen to a guy who knows what he's talking about and genuinely believes in the product he's selling.
Professional shops as well as small shops must also factor in incident costs. Just one minor accident on a table saw could cost several thousand dollars to over a $100,000 if nerve damage occurs, just in medical bills. Now factor in fines levied by OSHA if/when they find an issue. And then come the Lawyers and then your insurance rates go up and can even affect your ability to bid on projects. This looks like a very well built machine that will help increase production, boost employee confidence while using the saw and help you produce a better product. If I had the production volume and room in a production shop, I would seriously consider this saw. I would assume financing would be available, either through the manufacturer or as a low interest business loan.
I work in a small wood shop that has an older Altendorf with a 10 foot sliding bed. I can definitely attest to the quality. I’ve always said if I had a small shop of my own, and could only have one tool, it would be a sliding tablesaw, The precise cut beats anything I’ve seen.
We have been using the system for two years now together with the CNC stops. We have one of the first 10 machines in the workshop. Great system!
have you had any actual saves with it?
@@erikkayV It has already paid off twice.
@@julianreverse That is awesome.
THANK YOU!! It's great that you are on here and have first hand experience with the saw. I can talk it up all day but it speaks volumes when an actual customer endorses it!!😊😊😊
That is awesome! That tech is what is needed at the small shop level. Surely, there has to be a way to save the fingers!!
Hello. It's working only on a forward mouvment, not if it's a sideway one? For example taking a wood piece behind the blade...
the system tracks up to 6 hands at a time, 360 degrees around the blades. 😊
@@BradSnyderAltendorf ah ok it coule have bé nice toi see it, thx for sharing it
Yes Matt. The hand saving technology should be in every saw NOW!
I used to run an Altendorf that size when I worked for a large cabinet manufacturer. I miss that saw.
"I bet you're wondering how much this costs." Yep. "Well it's expensive." Thanks for clearing that up...
I used one of their saws when i worked at a cabinet shop. After that i swore that when/if I ever have the funds, these are the saw i want in my shop.
I worked on 2 Altendorf table saws every day for years and neither of them ever broke down. fantastic saws. This new tech looks great, albeit untouchable for a small shop due to price.
As a mechanical engineer who frequently works with cameras and hobbyist woodworker, this thing is awesome. Thanks Matt for sharing this.
Are you ready to take that hobby to the next level?😊😊
Thanks for watching!
Jaw drops! That is one magnificent piece of work.
Is it probably super expensive? Yes. I do think this is one of the best and most thought-out saws I've seen. Hopefully, they can make hobbyist ones priced competitively with sawstop sooner than later.
The rumor that I heard was that a regular saw kept stopping even though hands weren’t even close and when a black dude tried to put his hand close to the blade, it wouldn’t stop. You need to buy an AI option to make it work better and pay super expensive monthly fees for the AI. Like I said I didn’t hear this first hand.
The downside of the the SawStop is you have to replace an expensive cartridge
and scrap your expensive blade or dado set. I bet this Altendorf saw is at least
twice as expensive but I like the technology. However, you don't need any of this
expensive technology, simply use common sense and safe practices, keep your
hands well away from the blade.
Starts at over $30k.
@@petemclinc uh.... No... that saw is over $66,000 US dollars... I could buy 20 Sawstops for one of those.
@@petemclinc You sound like the administration in the white house telling me to buy a tesla because they are inexpensive and they don't understand why you don't have one yet.
Wow!!! Please get this into the consumer market asap!! Absolutely fantastic safety
Yeah, only cost like an arm and a leg..
I wish Festtool (who bought Sawstop) didn't sue bosch for trying to implement similar safety features into their saws. I really like boschs concept, just like sawstop they simply measure the conductivity of the material, to check if it's wood or your finger. but unlike sawstop they don't stop and destroy the blade by ramming a aluminum block into it with explosives, but instead use the explosives to shoot the blade downwards and therefore you just have to change the explosives and not the blade and aluminum block as well. it was a relatively cheap and very safe system. I'm just waiting for the sawstop patent to run out
@@Ryan-re1rs but keeping your fingers: priceless ;)
i’m in my first semester of furniture making school. last week, i had some insane kickback, and i also tripped the saw stop with the miter gauge fence
We bought a Altendorf saw around 2004,around 2015 was the first time a repair had to be done. This saw was used at least 4 hours a day,every day. Glad to see the new Hand Saver! They make a Really Great Saw! Thanks for the video.
Thanks for sharing
As someone who will likely never use this type of machine. I still think this is absolutely fantastic.
Good Lord, that is one amazing machine and the sales rep is really top-notch.
Thank you!! Now if only I can get the senior management to read these comments! 😅
Brad, you honestly deserve some serious kudos. A solid rep can make all the difference in the world.
I’ve used alfendorf saws in workshop environments most of my career. they are the best table saws on the market. The rolls Royce of saws for sure. once you use a sliding panel saw everything else feels like going back in time.
Thanks for sharing
Thank you for the love! I can't agree more and not from an employee standpoint. I was looking at the Altendorf F25 for my own company prior to working for them and looked/researched and got hands on with others but the Altendorf design, materials and manufacturing results in the hands down best product available. Plus it will last long enough for me to pass it down to my kids.
@@BradSnyderAltendorf yeah they are incredible. Accuracy like nothing else and paired with a two or three bag extractor they are so clean. essential in a shop that’s cutting MDF for hours on end every day.
Also, a small detail but changing the blade on a f45 takes me about 20 seconds. it’s just such a well designed saw.
Amazing!!! Can’t believe I missed that at the show. Nice work buddy.
see you in Atlanta then! 😊
Thanks! Sorry we didn't get to catch up more!
id be more interested to see what it can do in a kick back situation where the saw driives your hand through the blade from the back before you even know what happened. im curious why they never did a test like that, and am curious if its fast enough for that.
That’s the most likely scenario for an accident, not sliding your hand in the path while pushing. Which they didn’t even address.
we have one of those at school and they in the blink of an eye, even from behind. the detections radios is pretty big aswell.
Saw stop
all the time I'm watching this video the song "If I were a rich man" was running through my mind. what a splendid piece of machinery.
saw this at IWF last year in Atlanta and spoke with the reps. Great technology, especially the reset (no replacement of breakblock or blade). Not sure if it will ever be cheap enough for the DIYer (that drop drive system is very expensive). Great to see you sharing it with everyone!!
Yea, didn't he say the carriage that is dropped down at high speed was 200+ kilograms (400+ lbs.). That's gonna need serious, high torque motor mechanisms. I assume this machine runs on 3 phase power.
We have a couple of altendorfs at work but they're older models. Great saws
This saw brand is worth its weight in gold. I was using one that’s nearly 20 years old today and it’s still bullet proof and accurate. That new technology is amazing. Nice video mate
I'm not dissing this saw or video at all but it probably takes it's weight in gold to buy it! My 30-year old Jet still works fine so guess I'll stick with it. If I ever upgrade it will probably be a Sawstop 😃
Thanks for all the love! It is a double edged sword selling such a high quality product. I can 100% stand behind our machines but once I sell it to a shop... unless they grow in not going to be selling them another saw!
If you’re using a saw professionally, this saw pats for itself rather quickly. I can mill and process hardwoods and sheet goods far faster with much higher quality cuts and with far more accuracy. American cabinet saws can’t hold a candle to a good slider. And Altendorf saws are top notch.
Let me rephrase it. This saw is worth it weight in gold if you have a busy shop and are either processing timber from rough sawn to finish quality timber or are breaking down sheets of MDF and ply every day. It will pay for itself by way of less hours/ Labour to make a finished product ie. Furniture or door linings and solid timber doors for instance. 😊👍🏻
Man o man are sliding table saws my dream. Happy you got to take a look at some!
I'm glad to be living in a time, place, and economy where technology like this is able to be developed. Yes it is expensive. Yes it takes a long time for the price to come down to a level where the hobbyist can afford it. However, here it is possible. I'm thankful to be here in America. Stay awesome.
China will copy it and sell it for $4.99 on Temu. 🤪
Too bad it's a German brand....
@@MrMrMr2006 Germany makes good products, but that doesn't mean they'll be affordable to the average consumer. These will likely bottom out at thousands of dollars, which is still outside the range of what most hobbyists would consider "affordable."
@@AuntJemimaGames sorry, I wasn't clear 😉 I replied because the other person was thankful to be in America, which I found art as the saw originates in Germany. Hence my remark 😉 Germany makes great tools and I wish I had an Altendorf in my garage! Cheers from the Netherlands 😉
I own a sawstop and yah its not the most powerful versatile tablesaw and yes its expensive but my fingers cost more than the extra cost of the saw. I like tbis tech. If i ever get a bigger shop i might consider this saw
This guy is a true salesman. Nice job! I couldn't fit this in my garage or I'd buy one.
Y'all out here making me blush!😊😊😊
Hoping at some point that these safety features will make it into cheaper saws. Especially here in Europe we only have the Festool saws with Sawstop tech but they are simply too small - we need a proper European saw 🤞🏻
Altendorf has been a very popular brand for professional woodworkers in Europe for years. Amazing quality and precision. And the sled and general precision have been present for decades now, nothing bad to say about Altendorf table saws
i watched the Altendorf demostration of this at Ligna (woodworking fair in Hannover/Germany) this year. Really impressive. The cameras even detected a childs hand
Altendorf, is just a whole other level of table saw from any other, i use it at work every day, they're just👌
For $1 million dollars :p. Hammer has some blade stopping tech too. It's good to see vendors trying new detection systems out, even if the saw is out of my price range. Thanks for including it.
Hammer (Felder) uses the CS system and does not control the motor assembly when it activates. They use magnets that disengage and allows the motor to just drop down. Our motor assembly is driven by servo motors and is controlled the entire way, not allowing the motor to bottom out or be damaged in any way. That is how we are able to be back up and cutting 10 seconds after the safety system activates.
Wow!! Thank y’all for doing that. I did not know this world exists.
The definition of adapt and overcome. Sawstop not wanting to release a patent so other companies use this technology to save peoples hands. This company developed a new way to stop injuries. Awesome!! Thanks Mighty Matt!
A patent they never should have been awarded since the technologies were already in touch to turn on lamps and well brakes are on every car. Or at least a 2-5 year utility patent only for combining them. Not this 20 year garbage they were awarded.
They tried to license it first. Only after everyone rejected them did they decide to make a saw…
They are 2 different use cases.
@@delxinogaming6046 If you read the patent case as was the understanding of most manufacturers that they should not have been awarded the patent in the first place. Since it was using two existing technologies. Which would have disqualified them for anything more than a 5 year utility patent. They later went on to get awarded a 20-year patent which was done under very dubious circumstances. The company was not started by people that wanted to make a difference it was made by people that were long time patent attorneys and abused their connections in the approval process to get awarded a patent they never should have been.
This is why Europe does not recognize it and allows people like Bosch to have a competitive product. Since their's do not use a brake and capacitive technology was already existing in touch lamps from 1954 and those patents had long expired.
Don't forget sawstop also tried to get legislation passed that would have required their system on all industrial table saws which would have essentially gave them a monopoly.
love to see new innovation. Would like to see the telescopic hinged lateral support truss a more contrasting color than the rest of the machine. had he not picked up his feet when he sat on the table saw, he would have had them pinched underneath. nothing was extreme as losing a finger and extremely unlikely of an event, but I would want to be aware of moving parts, especially if something could get caught in there. Otherwise, very nice. Can't wait to see the future.
I'd honestly like to see both on a saw one day both the computer-based laser and the typical saw stop
Great video! Eventually advances in technology make what is high-tech today, obsolete or a runner-up tomorrow. Remember VHS?--> Made obsolete by compact discs --> made obsolete by streaming audio/video. With technology, you can never get too comfortable. Although SawStop has had an incredibly long run.
That's brilliant! Altendorf table saws are already awesome, and this tech makes them even better! Would love to see the camera/AI system added to smaller units.
that thing would take up my whole shop. but it is very nice. he is one heck of a sales man.
From your keyboard to my Directors ears! Thank you for the compliment! 😂😂
Love this, but man I know that a) I don't need a production saw like that, and b) I'm not cashing out my 401k to buy one lol. That safety system though - that's the smartest design I've seen.
Thanks for the love man, it is an awesome system!!
So don't get me wrong, I love that someone else is trying to do this and bringing it to market! The side "I" don't like is being electronic. yes they have come along ways but I have also seen way too many new electronics fail. I would be worried of a failure like that and it not allowing it to drop properly. However maybe there is more safety features built in to help prevent this? Again great idea and hope to see more things like this on a hobbiest level!
Mechanical things break, too. And most of the time, on industrial machinery, you’ll still need a tech to come repair it. I used to share your opinion, but after embracing things like DROs, I’ve found my work flow to be far more efficient and the end quality to be higher.
@montet202 I agree that mechanical can also fail but in my experience just more reliability then electronics. Coming from the maintenance side of a big mfg company I deal with way too many electrical issues on our machines. However, half the plant is also 80 year old retro fitted stuff 😅.
@@techmike36 for sure. There are certainly trade offs. But if, say a DRO actuated fence saves me 200 hours over the course of a year and breaks down once every five years for a day or two, I’m still money ahead.
Matt, very interesting mating high tech with high precision saw. Now waiting for what else you found at the show. Thanks for being our team on the go, looking for new/updated methods and tools.
Thanks 👍
For the price, I am sure it will be better than I expect, but the camera technology scares me slightly. Cameras (mixed with a program) can do amazing stuff, but being fast and precise at the same time? The problems I forsee is probably only something a beginner does, and again, this isn't for them. I think having the capacitive blade, for backup, would be a better idea. Allin all, this is an amazing machine. Looks nice, has some nice features, and the sliding bed has always been an interesting design to me.
Impressive technology. Definitely seems like this sensor approach is something that could eventually be scaled down to a hobbyist level similar to SawStop.
well hopefully having more than one safety options means sawstop can stop charging $5k for a "hobbyist" saw. thank god for some competition.
@@jameszaccardo1520 as of right now this technology took about 10 years to develop and it's essentially an option that costs around €10k. It will probably take years until it can compete with sawstop for hobbyists.
@@nino9273so what? better than never.
in principle its pretty simple concept, you can run basic machine vision with just a raspberry pi, triggering the safety system is just sending a signal to a relay, modifying off the shelf table saw to mechanically retract is probably the most complicated thing to solve, or maybe just replacing the blade height adjustment crank with a clearpath servo or just a nema 34 stepper, cranking that handle at around 1500rpm would most likely get the blade out of the way pretty quick and the whole system should be around 300-400usd in parts... (600-700 in case of clearpath servo)
@@dubi127 Conceptually it is indeed simple. That doesn't mean making it well is also easy. You have to have a vision system that works quick and well in all kinds of situations (dust, debris, ...) and you need to make sure that you have an extremely low level of false positives and absolutely no false negative.
In other words: making a quick proof of concept is indeed not that hard, but making it into a product that works flawless is a lot less easy.
So long as they don't charge a subscription fee or something for it at the consumer level (preferably even at the industrial level either), it looks good.
Definitely cool tech. I wonder how reliable the hand detection is, as it's software based, rather than the much more simple capacitive contact detection that SawStop uses. I imagine (I hope) they have tested the heck out of it, as a failure would most likely lead to liability lawsuits. Anyway, it's great to see this kind of safety tech integrated into the saw, and I hope it will make it into consumer-level saws soon.
Altendorf wouldn’t bring this to market, if they weren’t absolutely sure it’s safe. They’ve got a lot to loose.
That coupled with the emergency brake would be amazing with regards to safety. Think of it as a failsafe in case the AI glitches. I work in technology and computers break down over time, so it wouldn't be a bad idea to combine the two technologies into one.
This might actually be the first application of AI that I like.
This is a fascinating leap in tech. I'm sure my SawStop was once looked at in a similar light a long time ago.
My late uncle wished that I'd save up for a SawStop. I guess, when I'm in my mid-80s, I'll be telling people that THIS is a must have for the same reasons he told me. Thanks for sharing this with us... I doubt I would have seen it any time soon otherwise!!
If you can ever afford it.
Here in the US most big shops are using CNC for panel processing, the mid size and small shops like mine are still using sliding table saws, id love to have one, but that is a hefty price
Beautiful! One need only sell both kidneys and your firstborn to afford it. Oh, and the guy with the single-bay garage workshop, guess what? LOL
This thing is simply amazing! I DO have the room for it, but I wasn't born rich and can't spare a kidney, so I'll have to stick to my $800 saw and get the centerfold foldout of this to hang by my saw. Thanks for the video! As a retired radar engineer, I am forever enamored with cool technology!!
Give me a shout and let's talk about getting you one. Christmas isn't too far away right? 😊
Thanks for showing this. Hopefully this will tricke down to smaller scale.
We've got a similar altendoorf in our shop and its amazing. Wish I could have one at home.
I'd like to see how it handles kickback that pulls a hand into the blade. Response time of the vision system needs to be millisecond level full retraction.. Got a link to a demo of that?
Amazing table saw
First let me say that I enjoy all your videos and have learned a lot from you as well as from many others in the woodworking community. As a retired software developer who just recently picked up the hobby and purchased new tools, I can tell you that the software component to identify and detect the/a hand within the danger zone and send a stop signal is not the problem, or the major cost component. The design and the mechanics of driving down the blade and its associated physical components (motor, etc ) represents the real problem/costs in overriding the inertia of moving heavy equipment faster than you are moving your hand forward. In a sliding table you can at least compensate for that by controlling the speed with which you can move the slide, but on any other table you might need to put a roller in front of the blade or in the fence to do that same function. You will still need to be able to drive down the blade structure fast enough. One of two ways that it could be accomplished, and it would be rather unusual, would be using compressed air or the firing of a 27 caliber blank driving it down achieving cheap resets without harming the blade.
Definitely need this system in lower end / hobbyist / smaller scale type of systems. It's time! We need more alternatives to saw stop.
Too expensive to do that at the present time.
@@ejd53 Oh certainly but there are other companies that can build alternatives so hopefully this starts to become a thing There needs to be more competition and innovation. Saw stop can't be the ONLY dog in the park forever.
@@MemelordSupreme Well luckily, the patents started expiring in 2020, and things should be completely up by 2024 according to some research I did. Here's hoping.
That's a damn nice saw setup
This looks like an amazing piece of kit. Although i have heard reports for it struggling in poor lightning conditions and with shadow's, causing faulse activations. I would like to see this kind of safty feature become available on a machine designed for the smaller workshop, i believe that both Altendorf and felder only offer them on the larger models.
I wondered about that, as even my vinyl cutting machine has issues with registering in low light conditions.
Not so surprising I suppose, but a shop should be really well lit anyways - so I wouldn't expect this to be a problem in real world conditions. If I can afford this saw, I can afford proper lighting for sure!
@@joeporkka2047 you make a great point. I am just going on reviews that I have read where a few of them said that they had to disable this safty feature due to faulse tripping of the blade and Altendorf said it was due to poor lightning. No personal experience as they are well out of my price range and far to big for my shop. I would love to have one though and did look at them at one point.
@@joeporkka2047 I agree completely, but in my case, even standing to the side can cast a shadow and keep it from “seeing”. But yes, if I can afford a saw that costs that much, I can afford adequate lighting! 🙂
This is mind blowingly well designed. State of the art!
I'd be interested to see the fmea on the machine vision system. I'd still much prefer having the saw stop system as well.
I can think of a lot of plausible edge cases and combinations of conditions that could cause the machine vision system to fail.
So while it is a fantastic improvement and can greatly reduce down time, I'd still much rather it augment a capacitive system like the saw stop. It doesn't replace it.
This is cool and I might look into one for my shop. This is not a saw stop killer and I dont think this company has any intention of competing in the same market with saw stop. SawStop doesnt make commercial production saws such as these, rather sawstop caters to a more average consumer base. Altendorf just needs one 10" 3HP cabinet saw with this tech and Sawstop might be in a bit of trouble.
What about if there is some sort of a kickback that pulls your hand side ways? Also the biggest challenges with this tech is fast retraction. Vision system would not be that difficult or expensive. Since it is not destructive, you could easily over do it for safety.
The cameras are positioned in a way that it can probably still see your hand until its well past the blade, plus I'm sure with something with that much tech in it, its got some sort of kickback sensor that can trigger the blade retraction, especially since its non-destructive.
Famous saw maker ... glad to see they have an alternative to Saw Stop.
Now let's see a saw in the sizes for customary usage in the US.
Great technology! We all owe a debt to SawStop’s inventor for forcibly creating this market, and it’s great to see new approaches towards the same goal: ten-fingered woodworkers!!
our shop has an altendorf elmo from the 90's. still works perfect. That sensor is very nice but is not a sawstop killer simply because of pricepoint. It is awesome that you save the blade and get back to using the saw within a few minutes. I triggered the brake on our sawstop ics and it took me a couple of hours to remove the spent cartridge and blade.
I had to reply...when the safety system activates, it takes 10 seconds for the blade to come back up and for you to be back up and cutting material. 😊😊
Great saw!! I wonder if it reacts fast enough in the case of something like unexpected kickback that might force your hand to the blade?
I use a slider table saw every day at work. You utilize hold down clamps for the work piece you are pushing thru. Your hands should never be as close as they are putting their hands. So, there is no risk of pulling hand into blade. This is wonderful technology! If a slider is being used the way it is intended, then there is very little danger
@@ryanpalmiter6863The point of this technology is not to work only when you did everything right in the right conditions. Or a normal table saw will do the same.
@Maxime-ho9iv I agree! I was referring to OP saying kickback pulling your hand in. I think this technology is wonderful and this/sawstop technology should be required for all table saws. The seat belt of table saws
Technology like this needs to expand to mitre saws, jointers and Band Saws.
HERE HERE! I totally agree, especially jointer, I've had a few scares on those things!
I’m glad to see more safe table saws coming to the market.
That is fantastic.
Maybe someday it will be incorporated in hobbies level saws.
Seems cool, I wonder how it performs in a kickback scenario or time where the hand is moving at a much high velocity. For now I’ll stay with my sawstop ✔️
That's a good question, I would like to know it's kickback function as well.
This is so cool. In my old job I worked with 2 Altendorf table saws. Way way older than this. Not nearly as smooth as this one and dust collection was meh...but still very accurate. Heavy duty and built to last.
It definitely looks like I need a lottery win in the next few weeks. I know there are add-ons to regular saws that provide the sliding feature, but the LED/Camera setup is definitely a game changer. The add-on sliders are just that, they're an add-on and not integrated and engineered into the saw itself. This makes them feel a bit out of place, no matter how well designed they are. I would love to have a saw like that, for the DIYer/small scale woodworker. It would be something to hand down to my children and grand children and possibly even my great grand children. Definitely an investment in the future of wood working in general. Can't wait to see what else you show from AWFS, since it would be quite a while for me to be able to go to one of these shows and they don't have anything, anywhere near as elaborate up here in the Great White North.
Time for me to start doing lottery. Then buy much bigger house with land for big workshop... in southeast London... with permission to use machinery in a residential area or create a huge basement... £3million, minimum
How far north are you into the Great White North?
@@BradSnyderAltendorf Currently 40 minutes northeast of Calgary in a small town called Beiseker, Alberta. I may be moving a bit further north to help look after my parents, who live in Lacombe, Alberta.
@@chrisflavelle1200 Got ya, well Akhurst Machinery would be your go to then. I was kinda hoping you were in Alaska, give me an excuse to go up there and do some business while also visiting my brother and his family!!😄
wow that's beautiful
That's pretty awesome tech! I appreciate I'll most likely never own that saw or one like it, but maybe that technology can be put into a saw more affordable to someone on my level. It took me more than 10 years to save up for the SawStop cabinet saw. I don't think I have it in me to save up enough for this one!
Beautiful engineering.
Yeah, $67K is JUST out of my price range. 😂
Can't wait to see that tech in a more affordable saw!
How much is your hand?
@@julianreverse Around $4K...according to Sawstop.
Worth every penny IMO. Our shop is installing $50k worth of kitchens every 2 weeks
What a lovely guy, I really enjoyed this.
when US Americans discover proper tools and machines 😂
Greetings from Germany!
Guten tag aus Amerika!
Wow, what an awesome saw.
How sad that I can't afford it 🙂
But perhaps this idea can be made into an Open Source project, like: take an old PC / Raspberry and a webcam and a remote-controlled power socket and at least switch off the power when a hand is detected too close.
I know it's not the same but hey, what can we do.
From a layered safety perspective, it would be great if a saw contained both technologies. If the hand recognition ever failed for whatever reason, the SawStop sensor could back it up.
Thanks for sharing!
one of the reasons we pursued this was to allow the operators to cut ANY material on their saw. A capacitive system cannot cut aluminum, concrete/masonry products, "wet" hardwoods but our system has no issues with these and other materials causing false activations.
@@BradSnyderAltendorf Excellent points that I did not consider while looking through my “wood working” safety glasses. It’s an impressive machine and I applaud the engineering and technology that went into it.
Now, how do you get a brochure packaged into every “Safety First” banner shipped to carpenter/machinist shops ?
;)
@@MichaelWise-l8c 🤣🤣🤣 I'll have to look into that one!
@@BradSnyderAltendorfWhy did you not demonstrate the most likely scenario of an accident & that’s a hand being pulled in from the back/side from a kickback? People don’t generally put their hands in the path of the saw, the hand gets sucked in in a milisecond during the cut.
Does this table saw have any protection against kickback driving a body part into the blade? I see that the saw does have a riving blade but in the right condition kickback can still occur.
Pretty awesome! It's like laptops and PCs when they came out. Over 4 grand. Now you can get a decent one for less than a grand. Nice to see a real competitor to the Sawstop.
at almost $70,000, it's really not a competitor at all.
Seems super cool but would be even better if they could integrate the SawStop idea into it as a backup once the patents expire. Software can bug out but an electronic circuit that trips if something grounded comes in contact with it seems more reliable.
We have both at work. The Altendorf is an amazing industrial machine, but way too expensive for medium to small shops. We hate our two SawStops. They fire the cartridge once a month without touching the blade.
For the small price of the entire inventory of sawstop saws from your local store LOL
Jokes aside, thanks for sharing. This will be great for the industry and provide some competition hopefully down the line and lead to more innovation and trickle down for us normal folk
Nice i figure in about 10 years the technology will be available in saw that the average woodworking can buy
She was a good sport she's pretty brave
As a software engineer, I wouldn’t trust any proactive software safety mechanism without a physical reactive backup like a sawstop. Software engineers are notoriously bad at writing software
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Software engineers aren't "notoriously bad" at writing software (yeah, I'm sure some are), but they're not great at envisioning every potential use case. As soon as you think you have an idiot proof product, the world provides bigger idiots to prove you wrong. As a non-software guy managing a bunch of software engineers doing control systems for heavy equipment, I can assure you that it's hard to simultaneously account for all of the stupid things humans will try to do without getting in the way of what a good operator is trying to accomplish.
@@rohlfing63 You're exactly right...but I'd still agree that the general quality of coding (especially when interfacing real-world scenarios) is middling at best.
That is amazing - glad to see technical advancement in carpentry