This New Router Lift replaces ALL OF YOUR JIGS!
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- This new machine just changed my entire woodworking workflow. I'm test driving and reviewing the brand new Shark RS1000 Pro router lift from Next Wave. The RS1000 looks like an ordinary router table from the outside but has the brains of a CNC. Giving accurate control over your bit height and fence placement. The RS1000 has 14 built in apps that replace all sorts of jigs and saves a ton of setup time. The moment I saw this machine I knew I had to have one in my shop. Don't be fooled by the touch screen and the motors. You don't need to design anything on a computer to upload. In fact the machine doesn't even allow you to upload files. Everything is built in and easy to use. AND you don't have to use the apps and can use the machine like any other router table. Learn more about the Shark RS1000 Pro here:
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This may be one of the coolest woodworking tools I’ve ever seen. I can’t wait to see once we scratch the surface
have you scratched the surface yet?
I think about the 5th time he said it, I was waiting for a second Ginzu knife to be offered for only $10 more if you call within the next 10 minutes!
Hahaha
Get outta here.
I'm going to be on my death bed still waiting...
He hasn’t even scratched the surface!
This would completely remove all the fun(?) I get from messing up every joint I make. I can see me having to actually buy firewood since I won't be generating it from my failed projects.
I have the previous version- the Ready2Rout and Ready2Lift motorized combo. I was always disappointed that they didn't develop the apps like they promised. I was looking for an automatic version of what Incra's router fence positioner can do, and Next Wave implied that was coming. But I never got any update. I thought it was a good system for small projects and workpieces, such as for dovetailing shallow drawers and making boxes. But for the price, it needs to do a lot more than that. I haven't tried the new version, but it looks like the same thing. So much potential, but after all these years I am starting to wonder if they will ever take it to the next level.
I tend to agree. I want to imagine it replacing a domino but, by virtue of being a router table add-on, this is for small projects... Hard to get precise joinery in large pieces. With only one of the x/y axes controlled by the machine, there's a lot of potential for user error (read: liability concerns) which will limit what it can do
Thanks, James. You voiced my biggest concern: Because it's a closed system, you're dependent on the company continuing to develop new apps and to continue to support the system. That's a huge risk.
For example, a few years ago I bought a 'smart' treadmill. One of the selling points was that the treadmill connected to an app on your phone, which gave you access to several pre-programmed exercise routines, allowed you to create your own routines, and would track your workouts. It even weighed you each time you used the treadmill, so you could track your progress. The problem was the company quit updating the app within a year of my purchase. The app won't run on phones that are up-to-date with the current operating system (or even several iterations before the current system). That means I cannot use all the wizardry I paid for when I bought my treadmill.
Have you tried the Powerlift Pro from MLCS? I've been looking at it for a while. It looks less automatic Shark pro router. But I think it could be better in some ways.
It's a real shame they don't just make it programmable, I'd love to get one and play with writing some apps for it
It's 2,000 if you want the sliding miter with it, which I would consider necessary for this tool. Doesn't come with anything, you have to build it into your router table. It's interesting, feels like the next innovation on it might the one though for sure.
Some say he's trying to scratch the surface of what this machine can do to this very day.
At almost $2k, I think it’s probably best to save up a little more and get into a decent entry level CNC
I sort of agree, but I can see the market for this machine. A lot of people have a workflow in their shop that doesn't involve CAD software. This machine seems like it could easily be integrated into that workflow. If you want a degree of automation, but you don't want to start paying for a Fusion license, or learn how to use CAD software, this could be a good investment.
Entry level CNCs can't do anything efficiently, reliably or accurately. It has no place in a real workshop.
@@serdarbas8016 I think we have a different definition of "entry level" CNC. If you are spending $3-4k on any of the typical CNCs, you can definitely do all of the above and more. Especially if you shrink your footprint. needing a CNC to cover 4'x8' dramatically increases on the cost where as, something that does the sizes the machine from this video does is nearly professional level in 3-4k range.
I am curious if you have an example of an entry level cnc that makes dovetail joints?
@@CliffCutts a professional CNC can replace %80 of all my tools but I still own CNC + router + tablesaw, bandsaw… and other 20 tools. just because it can doesn’t mean it should.
All tools functionally overlap eachother at some degree and all have different weaknesses and strengths. It can be cost, speed, efficiency, accuracy, repeatability etc.
This router is almost a upside down CNC with your hands being Y axis. But it really have it’s advantages. Think of this as a afforable CNC with super fast setup and preset macros.
Nice features but I'm not as excited as others seems to be. A standard router table fence with a dro solves many of these tasks just as good. Bisquit cuts are much better done with a bisquit jointer. Boxjoints are better cut on the table saw. Still very useful fence and lift but at this price I would rather pay extra and go full cnc.
Your channel popped up on my youtube starting page and i just want to say that i really enjoy your videos. I am not a wood worker, mostly because of not having the space or tools to do so. Fun material though to work with.
I have bought a book called "The Folk Art Instrument Builders Reference" by Charles E. Atchison which i hope to be able to do something with in the future. Building and playing your own instruments sounds really fun. I have built a really simple cigar box guitar once by taking the neck from a childrens guitar and attaching it to a cigar box. Plays pretty well.
Take care and thank you for the videos.
A friend sent this video to me. It's pretty cool, I guess. The Incra TS/LS has been doing this manually for over a decade now. Once it's setup, it's insanely accurate. I don't see the need to spend another $1500 to make it motorized. But this one is cool for what it is.
This is not a CNC!
Control display: Next Wave CNC.
Lmao Sorry had to.
Great review. However, you clearly avoided mention of the elephant in the room, floating tenons. Why?
I’ve seen this machine in person and they done a hands on demo and I honestly wasn’t impressed. The idea is awesome and the machine works as they say it does but the materials they used for the fence and the router plate are cheap and not well made. The fence is a melamine material and it want hold up to use in a real shop for any time at all as you can see in the video the corners are chipped away already. For the inserts in the router table they use plastic like the Kreg ones and for the cost of this setup it should be metal say like the incra ones are with holes in them for dust collection. Take this same concept and let Incra refine it with better materials and I’ll give it a go unlit then they can keep there overpriced crap
I would love to see a floating tenon app to replace another expensive tool!
I guess it’s there technically already either manually or as an extension of that biscuiting “app”
Yeah I was surprised there wasn’t a “domino” setting. Replacing those tools would be huge
For simple setups this is a moderate gain versus the cost. However for things you couldn’t do like the keyhole slot, biscuit joining etc. this is a real game changer
This is awesome can’t till more people get these in their hands .
Awesome review. I’d love to know what that scratch resistant surface is made of.
I have the Incra Router Table and Wonder Fence LS system, For 1700 USD for this system is a little pricey. I can buy a CNC controller and two stepper motors and put that on my Incra setup up and still be ahead money wise. Nice product but for a hobbyist over priced, for a production shop under powered. The Incra Table is used to make dovetail and box joints and other small custom wood working stuff. For production work I use my shaper, bandsaw, table saw and other moulders, planers.
Great idea, can't wait for the geeks to get out Raspberry Pis, and Nemas. There will be a DIY version within a year.
This video reminded me of the infomercials where it’s the “ BUT WAIT THERE’S MORE!!!” 😂😂 that’s an awesome device tho
That's pretty wild, and would probably pay for itself pretty quickly in a production shop. And sure it drills holes, but can it pound pegs? Thanks for sharing!
*This is Mind Blowing fucking Crazy!!!* 🤯
*This is Fantastic I Really want this asap!!* 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟👍🏻
Rumor has it that the surface still hasn't been scratched.
As they upgrade the software, I wonder how easy it is, and what the cost is. This machine seems to be the real deal and not just a gimmick.
I totally want one now Dave. Great job reviewing. If it can replace a domino that would be great too. I'm sure you could find a setting that would work.
New t shirt: shut up and scratch the surface!
Tell me it does dominos. This is amazing, pricey but worth it
Will I be considered a real wood worker if I use this, as it is CNC controlled but manually powered.😂😂
A used spindle moulder is gonna blow this guys mind.
I decided to watch this vid twice, BUT, I drank a shot EVERY time you said "we haven't even scratched the surface of what this thing can do"!
I ended up on the floor, passed out, and went through 2 bottles of tequila!!
🤭🤭
How many scratches does it take to get to the center of this new age router?!?! THE WORLD MAY NEVER KNOW!
Lol. This is an awesome review and I just want to say two things…
1. I’m gonna need to break open my piggy bank to see if I can afford one.
And 2. “We are just scratching the surface of what this machine can do” x 5. I feel like I was watching a shamwow infomercial. Lol. All due respect. 😊
I love this machine… crazy cool!
I wonder if there are going to a bunch of yard sales for the manual jigs.
Those dovetails were a mess
Interesting they don’t have domino cutting. Would like to see that in the future.
I know! I was totally expecting a Floating Tenon app in that list. A GLARING omission.
Unsubscribe... I wanted to see the 45 joint bit.
Nice kit. Sense a new T-Shirt coming on.
@0:35 “This is not a CNC”.
It literally says “next wave CNC on the machine” 😂
Spending the money for that machine makes a ton more sense than spending about the same money for a domino jointer.
Domino excels at sheet goods and speed. Try handling sheet goods standing vertical at the router table, or even lying down if it's larger pieces. This fence and lift doesn't replace the Domino, two different machines for different purposes. Some people will have greater use of the Domino, some of this fence, depends on what you are building.
Cool tool, doesn't replace biscuit joiner though.
Dave: "This is not a CNC."
New Wave CNC (the manufacturer): "SHARK is America’s #1 CNC."
@@matchstickdesignco I mean, it IS computer numerically controlled, so… 😆
It really is a CNC machine. The apps are just parametric canned cycles, and one axis is replaced by a manual operation.
Wow, this was not what I expected after you said the next video will blow your mind. That is one really cool piece of tech for your workshop. So many options & so much time saving.
🤣🤣🤣 I guess price will blow your mind as well
No Domino holes? Please do the same with the Panto Router next.Cheers!!!! Forget the app and make it work from your phone or tablet...
"This Next Wave CNC is not a CNC!" ...? lol
Looks nice and I hope it works out for your future projects.
Awesome machine!
Cool drinking game: Every time you hear "We haven't even scratched the surface," take a shot.
I already got a head start!
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I can see how this would be A LOT better with their 10.5” pendant
Wow - great tool. Most importantly to me, thank you for the disclaimer on how you obtained it and what expectations there were for it! This is important to me. I have a question - I have the Saw Stop Router table extension, which shares the table saw bed. If I were to get one of these - how easily would it be to take the fence part off and put it on when I was using the Router table? Can you show that action in your follow up video?
Thanks Bob!! don’t have any experience with the sawstop router extension but if it has slots like the Kreg table I bet it would work. Might be a better question for Next Wave.
Result of incra and a shaper having a baby :)
I wonder if you could use the keyhole app with a straight bit for the plunge dados for the bottoms of the box joint.
I was hoping at the end you would raise the bit .01 and literally scratch the surface of a board
Can you update the apps or download more?
WE HAVEN’T EVEN SCRATCHED THE SURFACE FOLKS!
Please, DO NOT scratch the surface..... 😁
Super cool, but I think they really need to work on getting that, “We haven’t even scratched the surface” app installed. It seems to be a limiting factor. 😜
Quit scratching the surface. You're going to get a bad infection if you keep scratching the surface! 😂
I saw an ad in a magazine for this just yesterday and hadn't had a chance to follow up on it to see what it is, so great timing for your video.
I hope you'll do a Part Two in a few months after you've used it more...and have scratched some surfaces. 🙂 I'll be interested to find out how well it stands up to heavy use over time. Did dust get into it and cause problems? Does it still maintain tolerances such as the set bit depth, spacing, etc as well then as it does now? Maybe you can cut some box joints or dovetails on one piece now and on the mating piece in a few months and see how well they fit together?
I'll also be interested to see if Shark can or will update the software, such as to add the features in your list of cons, if software updates can be installed by the user, and if they're free. Or will they come out with a "new and improved RS10001" and early adopters are left out?
Their website says it can be used with almost any router table, but what about using accessories such as after-market fences (e.g. Woodpeckers) or shop-made ones with all of their additional features?
Thank you for a really informative and entertaining video.
I,m sure your scratcher got dull or broke. Just kidding, Nice vid.
I wish there was a router that would automatically level the plate AND ring insert to the table. I'm having such a bloody nightmare with this Rockler ProLift
Oh joy their website is down ... Not a good sign.
Also, great idea but if (as I read in the comments) the price is 2K then yes, that is too much, you could take any ole set of a lift and a fence and make your own with a dirt cheap 2 step motor/driver set and a microcontroller with touch screen. It might cost about 500 dollars (depending on how good you want it to be). After all this is the same hardware as so many cheap CNC kits. Less even since it is only 2 axes.
As cool as this is the 2k price takes it way out of a hobbyist budget in my opinion. Its a fantastic idea and there clearly was a lot of thought put into the design. I'm glad there is starting to be some innovation in the woodworking space. If I ran a production shop I would buy this in a heart beat for the repeatability it would provide, I'd rather put another $1000 - $2000 into a mid-level CNC machine. I'm also admittedly probably not the intended audience for this machine. I'm tooling up for Guitars, Speakers and Amps so a CNC makes much more sense for me. It will be interesting to see where things go after this. Now I need to go through my drawers and find my extra stepper motors, controllers and build a DIY version of this.
el tema es que tampoco lo veo con robustez para un taller profesional, se ve algo delicado y si lo de los 2000 euros es de locos
Hi 👋, From what I have read, there doesn’t seem to be any update for it at all, Though it does look a very nice built machine, so once you’ve got it that’s it,
Would you quit talking and scratch the damn surface!
(Awesome tool by the way 😆).
I just bought mine, solely because of this video! I would love for another video to follow up, to see you actually "scratch the surface" of what it can do
Shark 2.0 - load your rotor bits in the magazine and the computer will pick the correct bit and put in the rotor.
I think one of the most interesting ideas on this is the sliding mitre attachment running off that linear rail, which looks like a very sturdy set up.
Anyone have a link for that part? I can't find it online
Which table did you use? Model number pls.
How much fence movement do you get with this table 12”?
Well, I just purchased it hopefully it lives up to the expectations on the developers keep adding to the software
I'm not a fan of their marketing. they give you a bunch of expensive pro level software for a limited time.
Did the ad read make you say scratch the surface 1000 times.
I feel like they could also have integrated a domino joint feature since it would presumably be exactly the same process as the keyhole feature except with a straight bit. Just plunge cut to 1/2 the domino length, then move the fence back until correct domino width is reached.
The Festool Domino patent doesn't expire for another couple of years, and as it is such a cash cow it will likely be tweaked with to offer further patent extension.
@@patrickmunits Festool has patents on the machine, not the joinery method. This is a completely different machine. Also, they can't "tweak it" to extend an existing patent.
Seems to be too clumsy and pricy? Should we wait until the chinese version comes out?
That router table is EPIC!! I hope you do more videos about this. I don't think you've even "scratched the surface"!
i feel like this comment hasn't even scratched the surface of what this comment can do.
Also please let us know when you're going to scratch the surface please 😂😂❤
Freaking amazing, not cheap at $1700 but for a production shop or a high end home shop totally makes sense, very cool... do they ship to Japan...?
Cheers
Yes, it is fairly expensive but not as expensive as a festool domino machine that only has one function, not 14 functions like this machine.
@@brucemitchell5637 Great point!
@Tokyo Craftsman Well I have to have some kind of argument to convince my wife why I need to buy one! 😁
At that price of want to be able to upload my own designs
That textured pattern would look nice as a table top with glass over it. Possibly stain the top prior to carving it to highlight the texture further.
I can't think anymore. All my brain cells have been died 🤯🤯
Does it have an app setting to just scratch surfaces?
That’s the coolest machine since the domino but 100 times more useful. I want one.
How did you install the water-cooled CNC spindle to the shark rs1000?
It's really a lot cheaper than what I thought it would be. But for that price I could build one myself and have a good bunch of money left over. I built my own 36"x36" CNC machine, so this wouldn't be worse. Just setting up the different apps it uses would be the tough part.
Cool idea though.
I thought the same.
Right there with you.... It's really nice and their implementation is pretty cute. Seems something that could be built, but then again, depending on their warranty and quality of service .. I am seriously considering vs the number of tools it replaces so effectively.
does Incra know someone just automated their router table?
Reminds me of Ron Popeil's But wait there is more
Probably, could do Domino slots
Dear Mr. Popeil, I am surprised that you don't have a Ronco label on the machine. As for the problem with protuberances on the back of the machine, stick it in the corner at an angle like a corner cupboard. With all the gadgets you are getting, I am surprised you don't have a robot to do the actual work. Enjoyed the video.
A couple of grand more and you can get a much more versatile onefinity cnc..
David, can you put a Triton 3 1/4 hp router on this router system any help will be greatly appreciated?
Richard
Cibolo TX
Pretty cool even for the hobbyist woodworker as long as you can bring the work to the machine. Dont throw away that domino to soon. i do look forward to seeing more apps.
But when will you scratch the surface?!?
Wow!!! I need this!!!
EXCUSE ME. All we need to know is how it does Dominos. And sure, "floating tenons". I think I would still use a biscuit joiner, because it is super, fast, and that thing won't do in line joints. But Domino machines are like 3K, and this might do some of that. That would be a fair super power, and offset to the cost of the machine.
Very cool machine! I look forward to how you incorporate it into projects and come up with new ways to use it.
Damn, that thing is crazy
If you put the bit up, then turn it all off...then drag a piece of wood over it, you can scratch the surface. But what you showed was better.
seemed like an infomercial to me. hmmm. sorry
Funny enough this actually would be classified as a CNC. CNC just stands for computer numerical control. A lot of manufacturing machines fall under that umbrella. You can have CNC routers, Mills, lathes, punch presses, Laser's anything.
I work as a CNC machinist for a living and it's my job to program, set up, run CNC Mills and lathes. We had a quite a few metalworking lathes Mills where you would program the same way. It was called " Conversational programming". Instead of programming something by hand or using cad-cam you would just pick out different Cycles you wanted to run and filled in the parameters the same way.
It was great for working in a job shop where you only had to run one or two pieces. It was a lot quicker and very handy.
Very interesting saying something like this in woodworking! I love when there's overlap like this.
It would be really cool if it could do a floating tenet
Great video. How did you adapt the lift to fit the CNC spindle motor?!
I cut out a bunch of collars on the laser cutter and stacked them but I ended up putting in a regular router because the spindle was under powered for bigger bits.