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  • Dado Stack Blades had strict regulations on them in the EU because of a dangerous flaw. The CMT Locked Dado Pro Blade Set is the first ever EU Compliant Dado blade on the market!
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  • @731Woodworks
    @731Woodworks  26 днів тому +6

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    • @seymourwrasse3321
      @seymourwrasse3321 24 дні тому

      I was a beginner before you tube, we didn't know any better

    • @jodycarter
      @jodycarter 24 дні тому

      Wonderfully educational. Thanks Matt!

    • @darrylvaillancourt6144
      @darrylvaillancourt6144 21 день тому

      When I was a kid we used to bundle saw blades together in the 70 s

  • @bobziroll
    @bobziroll 23 дні тому +107

    Anyone else flinch big time at 6:19 watching the b-roll guy almost take his hand off? During the safety talk, nonetheless! 😬

    • @Bhallmed
      @Bhallmed 22 дні тому +7

      I saw that!

    • @peterfitzpatrick7032
      @peterfitzpatrick7032 22 дні тому +9

      @@Bhallmed I dado that.. 😂
      Seriously though... reaching over the SLIDINGtable of the saw to pick up a piece from behind the blade... ffs !!. 😮

    • @Wraith3Snpr
      @Wraith3Snpr 20 днів тому +6

      I saw that too. UA-cam is full of "expert" woodworkers who do the most irresponsible stuff on table saws. There's one well known guy, who I like his channel, but he routinely will guide pieces through where his fingers are about an inch away from the blade...

    • @8pilgrim
      @8pilgrim 20 днів тому +4

      With gloves on… surprised he didn’t pull back several bloody stumps.

    • @chezlerq4478
      @chezlerq4478 20 днів тому +6

      His biggest mistake is that he has the blade set way too high. Second is baggie cuffs on his shirt. Mainly, his blade is too high.
      He should use a stick to push the piece away from the blade before he puts his hand in there.
      But, asking for trouble with that blade height.

  • @simonmurray2002
    @simonmurray2002 23 дні тому +22

    Its well and good that its compliant with UNI EN847, i run a dado stack in Ireland and had to import it from the US. However, good luck finding a table saw with an extended arbour in the EU, my saw is 36 years old (I played in the box it came in). On another note, my saw has a wobble blade, you'll never know sphincter pucker until you spin up one of those badboys

    • @joshuatatro4503
      @joshuatatro4503 22 дні тому

      That was my thought... All the EU guys I know couldn't run a dado stack even if they wanted to, either because a) their arbor isn't long enough to accept it, or b) even if it is, the riving knife isn't adjustable/removable. I guess the assumption has been dado = no-no for long enough that most equipment matches that standard.

    • @CrimeVid
      @CrimeVid 21 день тому

      The scariest thing I've ever seen is a hand built chair seat cutter that cuts with a curved blade mounted in a wooden arbour, mounted in a table. This was obviously designed by your suicidal great uncle Seamus.

  • @jaysonx5576
    @jaysonx5576 18 днів тому +12

    This channel has become the QVC of wood working. Which is fine. I do learn about various tools I may not have heard of, but I’m clear that I’m being SOLD to every time I watch this content. Let’s not pretend otherwise. I enjoy the channel.

  • @yoseflugashi9820
    @yoseflugashi9820 24 дні тому +35

    "It has a reference chart that will stay with your blades so you don't have to worry about losing it." Challenge accepted! 😂

  • @paddyr1568
    @paddyr1568 24 дні тому +29

    In the UK in a commercial setting we can’t remove the riving knife or blade guards for any cut, so no dado blades, regardless of how the blade is made.

    • @gregmize01
      @gregmize01 23 дні тому +3

      whutta nightmare

    • @MadAtMax.300Blackout
      @MadAtMax.300Blackout 23 дні тому

      Imagine just going about your life letting your f****** government tell you if you can or can't take an angle grinder guard off or saw guard off etcetera or any other kind of thing
      I'm glad my anscetors came to America. Even with the doom on the horizon lol

    • @John-rw5cx
      @John-rw5cx 23 дні тому

      They, should just make a smaller riving knife to equal the smaller blade diameter.

    • @garybishop3613
      @garybishop3613 23 дні тому +3

      It's not the riving knife that's the problem it's the crown guard no different to making a groove with a router or spindle moulder you still have to have a guard to protect the user it's groove not a through cut same as a trenching blade on a cross cut saw

    • @zackserakowski5379
      @zackserakowski5379 23 дні тому +2

      @@garybishop3613 would an overhead blade guard be acceptable?

  • @LYTOMIZE_Woodshop
    @LYTOMIZE_Woodshop 23 дні тому +5

    I've shied away from adding a dado stack to my shop... I may be placing an order for one of these soon. I love the CMT blade I got from Tay Tools, so I'm sure I'll love this new addition too!

  • @keith7630
    @keith7630 24 дні тому +23

    Bought this set about a year ago. I can say it’s a really nice dado set. Locks together nicely and makes nice cuts.

    • @marbleman52
      @marbleman52 16 днів тому

      @keith7630...HI, how is it after a year of use? Do the blades still lock together well?

    • @keith7630
      @keith7630 16 днів тому +1

      @@marbleman52
      Still working well. Blades still lock together as they should and are still leaving nice cuts.

    • @marbleman52
      @marbleman52 16 днів тому +1

      @@keith7630 ...Thanks, Keith, for the follow-up. I don't do my woodcrafts like I used to do; I am now a full time, everyday sub at the local High School and that keeps me occupied...lol..!! And if/when I get back to my woodcrafts, I will continue to use the Dado set I already have. The blades are still real sharp ( I think I had them resharpened a few years ago ), and I didn't mind taking the time to carefully put the blades together on the arbor.
      I had a whole careers worth of rushing and meeting deadlines and stressing out, and I wasn't about to do the same thing with my hobby...!! But....if my Dado set were to finally get dull again, I would consider getting a set like these.
      I will assume that now, other companies will start developing their own version of lockable Dado blades, if there are not already other companies that produce one.

  • @goodoltup
    @goodoltup 21 день тому +35

    I'm an American living in the EU, and I have a table saw here. The EU law is that ALL BLADES being used in the table saw must use a riving knife. There's no riving knife for the dado blade, so it can't be used. It's not because the dado blades are dangerous. To 'help' people comply with this law, most table saws sold in the EU have short arbors, so even if you could find a dado stack you wouldn't be able to install it. Dado blades are not illegal, but using them is.

    • @edwardholmes91
      @edwardholmes91 17 днів тому +1

      Yes, you're right, the arbor often isn't wide enough to accept a dado stack. Also, the riving knife in the UK is taller than the top of the blade, to allow attachment of a blade guard and/or anti kickback pawls... So making partial cuts is impossible, unless the riving knife is removed.
      I've just got a CMT 6mm groove cutting blade that fits on a UK table saw, so I can now cut dado's, albeit thin ones, when the riving knife if removed. It makes such nice, clean, flat bottomed grooves!

    • @danbeeson9564
      @danbeeson9564 15 днів тому +3

      That’s bizarre since there is no need or purpose to having a riving knife with a dado blade since it does not make a through cut.

    • @edwardholmes91
      @edwardholmes91 15 днів тому +1

      @@danbeeson9564 I know, health and safety gone mad! The farse of it is though, I'd argue it makes things more dangerous, as you're likely to remove the riving knife, to make a partial cut, and then forget to put it back, when using it normally.

    • @OB1canblowme
      @OB1canblowme 11 днів тому

      Something that often is misunderstood: The "illegal" aspect of dado stacks is only illegal when an employer allows employees to use dado stacks in table saws (i.e. it's legal in automated and properly enclosed machinery). A private citizen can do what they want with a dado stack, it's just an occupational safety issue.

    • @ed6705
      @ed6705 6 днів тому

      That's not correct. There's no law saying you have to use a riving knife on a table saw. If most table saws are sold with a short Arbor, it's likely BECAUSE dado blades are much less commin here. I say if because I am right now looking at a machine for sale from a common tool store in Europe that will take a dado stack.

  • @billmaguire6216
    @billmaguire6216 23 дні тому +1

    Thank you for this. Also you have a natural ability for you tubing that is enlightening and fun at the same time. Good on you for progressing upwards! Have fun!

  • @joeschlepp
    @joeschlepp 22 дні тому +28

    cabinet maker/woodworker here. been using the old style dado blades for 37 years. never ever had one issue or mishap with it.

    • @jonpaul1981
      @jonpaul1981 22 дні тому +8

      I have never crashed an airplane, others have.
      ( I have also never piloted an airplane)

    • @joeschlepp
      @joeschlepp 22 дні тому +2

      @@jonpaul1981 I have also never crashed a helicopter and i do pilot one.

    • @BREZINA542
      @BREZINA542 21 день тому +2

      @@joeschlepp ive also never drove off a bridge and i drive over one every day!

    • @marvinhaagsma9177
      @marvinhaagsma9177 21 день тому +3

      I have flown jets equipped with ejection seats. Never used it, not even once. What a waste.

    • @LagSpikeX
      @LagSpikeX 21 день тому +3

      'I never lost my arm why do all these one-armed people in my profession think safety should be improved'
      That is what you sound like.

  • @joemcdonald8516
    @joemcdonald8516 23 дні тому +3

    Thanks for another informative video, Matt. It's not likely that I'll give up my Forrest Dado King set at my advanced age, but if I were starting over, I could see me getting the CMT set.
    I did notice in the video that you set the carbide tipped outer blade directly onto the cast iron saw table top. That was always a "No No" for me when teaching my students how to change blade setups. I always had them place a piece of scrap under the blades so as to not potentially chip a tooth by slapping them against the iron top of the saw.

  • @raymitchell9736
    @raymitchell9736 19 днів тому

    I'm glad that you explained the issues with the older Dado stacks and yes that's a much better design. I think this is such a slick system. When I tried to pick up a set on your link and they're sold out... I'm on the waiting list.

  • @michaellevine6019
    @michaellevine6019 24 дні тому +36

    Your first dado in the ply was burnt in the middle because you did not get the center blade set correctly. You had it on backwards......,

    • @jonnyphenomenon
      @jonnyphenomenon 23 дні тому +3

      WOW.... I just had to look at that again. You can clearly see it @0:59

    • @Dev_2R
      @Dev_2R 20 днів тому

      I was wondering why the thing was cutting U-channels rather than dados.

    • @pngid
      @pngid 19 днів тому

      Yes, I was hoping I wasn't the only person to notice how bad the bottom of the dado looked.

    • @steffen707-
      @steffen707- 18 днів тому

      So that's what was up. I noticed it, but didn't know why it looked weird.

    • @williambranham6249
      @williambranham6249 14 днів тому

      Seems like the Research and Development of this less hazardous stack still has some issues.
      Also one of the reasons Matt said the old stack was banned was tooth shrapnel. Seems the outside blades still have carbide tips. What is to prevent them from hitting metal in a board and popping off as well.
      We all need to sell our woodworking tools and just watch animal videos on YT .
      I just dropped a cast iron hand plane on my foot-broke a toe. No one has ever done a video on steel toed boots in the work shop. Damnit!

  • @AllenBrosowsky
    @AllenBrosowsky 23 дні тому +9

    In the EU (more specifically the UK which actually left the EU), table saws don't have an arbour that is long enough for a dado stack. That's how they stopped people from using them.

    • @IvanWizard-Karl
      @IvanWizard-Karl 21 день тому

      i feel every time i see an american talk about dado stacks being banned in europe they NEVER actually do any research and just spout bs constantly. its exactly what you said, arbor size regs, not banned dado stacks. standard american stupidity

    • @415volts
      @415volts 21 день тому

      Some do...

    • @wernerviehhauser94
      @wernerviehhauser94 20 днів тому +1

      ​@@415volts hey, you can't expect people to do some actual research, do you :-)

    • @schrodingerscat1863
      @schrodingerscat1863 20 днів тому

      @@415volts Only the high end pro table saws do, saws used by hobbyists and even many professional level saws don't.

    • @415volts
      @415volts 20 днів тому

      @@schrodingerscat1863 I know, but the comment was saying there are no saws in the EU that can take a dado. There are actually quite a few. PS - the cheapest is £1199 or so which is close to hobby trade up price level.

  • @Duncwoods
    @Duncwoods 23 дні тому +2

    I just finally ordered mine the other day! Gets here Thursday!!!

  • @Nefarious269
    @Nefarious269 24 дні тому

    Your master class is the first one I've EVER considered taking and not just for woodworking either, but unfortunately I am unable to afford it at this time. I wish you and everyone the absolute best! Maybe one day down the road I can be a part of it!

  • @ColinRichardson
    @ColinRichardson 19 днів тому

    I always knew we couldn't have them here.. never knew WHY...
    Thank you for the amazing explanation.

  • @gswoodwoodworks
    @gswoodwoodworks 7 днів тому

    Just ordered one from ACME Tools! Thanks so much for sharing Matt! I have the Freud Dado Stack and I am always scared when using that thing. This looks so much safer and a huge time saver. I also hated installing that thing with the chippers... too cumbersome.

  • @Heinz76Harald
    @Heinz76Harald 22 дні тому

    we had the old style dado blade in our shop when i started my apprenticeship in the early nineties, they scared me back then, like the do today :D
    really like the design of the locked one

  • @charleslong1284
    @charleslong1284 23 дні тому

    I use dado blades on on saw to cut the joints on the drawers. I made a zero clearance throat plate for the two blades cutting the 1/4” wide and 1/4” deep joints. Cabinets and furniture has several drawers on nearly everything.

  • @garymiller5937
    @garymiller5937 23 дні тому +1

    Thank you for the information about CMT dad stacks and the review. Excellent as usual, Matt! 😊😊😊❤❤❤

  • @renaissancewoodworking
    @renaissancewoodworking 11 днів тому

    I have yet to use mine. But, I will be working on a build-in bookshelf soon and will get the chance.

  • @kellenholt6655
    @kellenholt6655 24 дні тому +2

    All the discussion of regulations aside, I’ve been hesitant to invest in a dado stack largely because of the cumbersome setup and having to install all the individual pieces of a “traditional” dado stack one by one. Being able to install this as one complete stack all at once is a game changer in my view. I’ve usually done grooves with my router but this has me seriously thinking about investing in this product.

  • @marcosmota1094
    @marcosmota1094 20 днів тому

    Ny dude kept it quick, concise, and detailed!

  • @daifeichu
    @daifeichu 24 дні тому

    I already have a dado stack but this looks very interesting in how it keeps the teeth positioned correctly. The only downside on my saw, the Delta 36-725, is if the stack is built outside of table saw. It might be a bit tight to get it on the arbor with that dust shroud down below.
    Matt, have you seen that nut/washer combo from Woodpeckers for SawStop saws? They've made the two into one piece so that SS saws can handle thicker stacks. Sometimes people, myself included, have not used the washer on thicker stacks but this item from WP's looks really good.

  • @richragan4810
    @richragan4810 25 днів тому +1

    Thank you Matt!

  • @travel734
    @travel734 22 дні тому

    Very interesting, I would suggest that people check not only the length of their arbor but also the diameter. A common job site saw in the EU was the Bosch PTS10. the arbour is 30mm in diameter.

  • @rickculpepper709
    @rickculpepper709 23 дні тому

    Been watching for a while…just starting to enjoy them

  • @davudandrews2665
    @davudandrews2665 24 дні тому +1

    Cool upgrade. I still have the 6 inch dado blade for my Craftsman table saw and knock on wood no shrapnel

    • @brynyard
      @brynyard 19 днів тому

      ... yet. Survival bias FTW!

  • @jacoblittle3209
    @jacoblittle3209 24 дні тому +1

    Awesome! I just ordered one. I already have one of those older style dado stacks (exact same one you have) and I hated using that thing so much that I just usually would take the 10 passes on a regular blade instead

  • @mikeroy2517
    @mikeroy2517 24 дні тому +1

    Thanks Matt. Job site saws will accommodate dado stack blades but due to less power a 6" is the largest recommended. With that said, do you know if CMT intends on making a 6" for these saws

  • @_droid
    @_droid 21 день тому

    In middle school we had a whole section dedicated to the dangers of the dado. 40 years later and I still follow those rules. Do they even have shop class in schools these days?

  • @jvmiller1995
    @jvmiller1995 23 дні тому

    Nice set. I had no idea they as getting banned. I have a old craftsman set that is built together and you spin the blades in opposing direction and it gets wider or skinnier. Many folks hate this style but I got mine with my saw used and I seldom use it but it does a good job. Most the time anymore I use a router anyway. But forsure the sound coming off of a stack is very scary if not use to it.

  • @terencemerritt
    @terencemerritt 18 днів тому +6

    Lol you should pay more attention when trying to teach. You had your chippers on backwards. That’s why the center is burnt 🤦🏼‍♂️

  • @eerokartiala5957
    @eerokartiala5957 23 дні тому

    i have a old dado blade, From Sears, That adjusts buy turning two blades to get the width you want up to one inch. The blades are tapered on an angle. no chippers to add. Are these good or bad?

  • @malcolmhodgson7540
    @malcolmhodgson7540 22 дні тому +1

    So how do you fit the wide blade on a UK/EU compliant short arbour, which is deliberately sized to prevent thick dado blade mounting?

  • @passtheparcel2024
    @passtheparcel2024 24 дні тому

    Wow! Amazing design!

  • @RJSDZNS
    @RJSDZNS 24 дні тому

    I will be buying these dado stacks! So nice!

  • @andrewsilvas3234
    @andrewsilvas3234 23 дні тому

    I have an 8 inch Freud stacked dado, all the blades on my set lock. My set is about 20 years old.

  • @MrGrundle
    @MrGrundle 22 дні тому

    Interesting. Would like if you showed the shims and how they are integrated. 👍

  • @MyBrokenStuff
    @MyBrokenStuff 24 дні тому

    Not sure you’ll see this but I’d love more info about setting up a dado stack on the saw. Not sure there is enough to make a whole video about. With a saw stop do you need to have the dado break?

  • @KillerSpud
    @KillerSpud 24 дні тому

    Will the skill take saw run this blade set well? I've been debating getting a dado set for it.

  • @nategemelli9414
    @nategemelli9414 19 днів тому

    Is this compatible with the Dewalt 8 1/4 inch table saw? I heard the arbor is too short for all other dado stacks.

  • @DennisMathias
    @DennisMathias 21 день тому

    I actually had a dado blade that had a dial that you could 'dial' in the value. It was two blades that would wobble. I used it a few times and it did work but I don't like things that wobble.

  • @marbleman52
    @marbleman52 16 днів тому

    I have been using an Oshlun brand Dado set for many years and I have never had any of the blades slip. I make absolutely certain that each blade clears the one before it and before I tighten the nut down good & tight, I double check that the blades are still properly spaced. I do, however, like this new way of making a Dado set. I looked them up and on sale, it costs about $145.00. I think that is a very reasonable price for what looks like a great way to lock the blades in place.
    I am curious about the durability of this new system over a number of years.

  • @AB-nu5we
    @AB-nu5we 23 дні тому +1

    I've had my eye on that new CMT dado stack for a while now. Cool review. You didn't mention the elephant in your shop: does this stack work with SawStop table saws. We could infer from your video that it does, but you could be running your SawStop in bypasss mode. A little verbal mention about SawStop compatibility would help clarify.

  • @richragan4810
    @richragan4810 25 днів тому

    Thanks Matt

  • @MrOso36
    @MrOso36 22 дні тому

    Over 50 years experience in woodworking including owning a major furniture manufacturing company on the west coast. Used properly the existing dado set never presented a problem. We made sure the carbide on the blades were not chipped and were sharp. We staggered the interior blades which resulted in a cleaner cut. The outer blades and more teeth than this new dado set. We did have saw sharpening company come twice a week to service all our cutting tools. We even made our own moulder knives. The new set is rogress I guess but seems like a lot of fuss over a pretty benign situation.

  • @davefoc
    @davefoc 24 дні тому +6

    My previous understanding of EU Dado situation: There are stopping requirements for blades in the EU and it is difficult to meet that requirement with a dado blade so EU table saws don't usually have an arbor that is long enough to mount a dado stack on.
    Also BREXIT might have affected something on this as well.
    FWIW, I remain confused.

    • @johnnyshinnichi1785
      @johnnyshinnichi1785 23 дні тому

      Yes, I thought all EU table saws had the shorter arbors for exactly that reason. So how are people going to fit these? Plus, I can't see the EU changing the law to allow commercial workplaces to start removing the guard.

    • @jonathanbuzzard1376
      @jonathanbuzzard1376 23 дні тому

      It is not difficult to meet the stopping time, you just use an electromagnetic brake. The problem is stopping a dado blade that fast would tend to make the nut holding the blade on come loose. You would have to change to some sort of quick fit retention mechanism (which would be no bad thing IMHO) but it was cheaper/easier to just make the arbour too short for a dado blade.

    • @johnnyshinnichi1785
      @johnnyshinnichi1785 23 дні тому

      @@jonathanbuzzard1376 We always get the short end of the stick here in the UK (and Europe). But to be fair, I can't really blame the manufacturers in this instance. I bet the number of people who own a table saw here in the Uk is miniscule compared to the USA. We just don't have the room in our small houses/garages.

  • @gregorystetkis7009
    @gregorystetkis7009 23 дні тому

    I remember way back in the 1980 s using a wobble dado blade . It wobbled up too about an inch wide .That thing seemed very dangerous to me but nothing bad ever happened. Of course we had it on a 300 pound porter cable saw . I bet one of these plastic shop saws we have now would dance across the room.

  • @wiredperformance6130
    @wiredperformance6130 20 днів тому

    If cmt made a 8 1/4” dado blade that would be awesome for those of us that have a newer portable saws. Owning both a 10” and a 8 1/4” table saw I use the 8 1/4” more often because it does everything needed most of the time.

  • @chris-C8
    @chris-C8 12 днів тому

    These look way more efficient than the old-style dado setup. I had to install dado blades at school once, and I hated every second of it😂

  • @johnhernlund539
    @johnhernlund539 17 днів тому

    Most places in the world use oscillating blades to cut wider, rather than stacking multiple blades together. In fact, I've only seen dado stacks in the US.

  • @gerardozuniga4449
    @gerardozuniga4449 23 дні тому

    Will this dado set work on my Sawstop and activate the brake if needed?

  • @user-vn6hi2bi3g
    @user-vn6hi2bi3g 20 днів тому

    Thanks nice tool, Format4 and C. R. Onsrud make excellant dado machines that are very safe starting at about $150,000.00 and usually costing much more, so I will be using this blade for my shop.

  • @castlecodersltd
    @castlecodersltd 20 днів тому

    Very informative video. Thanks 🙂Beyond my price range here in the UK. Some resellers selling them for up-to £340 (about $430) including sales tax. For that price I'd be expecting them to come and cut the wood for you ;-)

  • @VictorN-gr4vx
    @VictorN-gr4vx 23 дні тому

    I need a table saw. Any Recommendations?

  • @loramcclamrock5549
    @loramcclamrock5549 10 днів тому

    thanks, very informative. Sounds a lot safer.

  • @rickmunroe4159
    @rickmunroe4159 23 дні тому

    Just ordered to replace my Harbor Freight set. Not a bad set just lacks precision in cutter diameters. Curios, were the people in the EU allowed to use wobble dado blades? It has only 1 blade so no collision fears. Have a blessed weekend and keep up the work/videos! Rickster

  • @garysheppard4028
    @garysheppard4028 23 дні тому +1

    Interesting that they make a point about it being EU compliant but give stacking measurements in Imperial.

  • @garymelrose9727
    @garymelrose9727 24 дні тому +10

    Sigh…no, despite what the signage tells the gullible…it’s not true. Dado stacks are readily available (including CMT ones) in the EU and UK. There are safety regulations for employers to protect their employees that include the requirement for blade guarding and blade brakes. Self employed and hobbyists are only limited by the availability of suitable saws (extended arbours).
    The regulations are NOT to ban designs through the back door, they’re there to protect employees. This version will STILL require to be used with suitable and sufficient blade guarding.
    I can have the old style stacked dado sets delivered next day if I wanted to. I don’t because…router. 🤷‍♂️
    Note that if you want to buy any Felder/Hammer table saw, you can order it with an extended spindle for ‘groove cutters’ or dado stacks. When you order that, you’re guided to the overhead saw blade so that you can use it safely.
    These new style stacked cutters are better than the old style and cheaper than proper adjustable groove cutters, that it. 🤷‍♂️

  • @johnhaller5851
    @johnhaller5851 24 дні тому +7

    Nothing like the old "adjustable" wobbly dado blade, and then used in a radial arm saw. I still have that dado blade, but luckily I only borrowed the radial arm saw.

    • @EMWoodworking
      @EMWoodworking 23 дні тому +2

      I still have one of those wobble blades. It stays on the shelf.

    • @ericfransen4371
      @ericfransen4371 22 дні тому +1

      Had one of those...destroyed the bushing on my dad's Montgomery Ward table saw. Using it that sheet metal based saw was bit like playing one if those vibrating toy football games we had as kids where the metal feild vivratwd and the little players vibrated randomly all over the field :) but if you closed your eyes (before cutting) you could imagine that you were flying in an open cockpit single engine with that whirring sound it makes :)

    • @theodorgiosan2570
      @theodorgiosan2570 21 день тому +1

      I do metalwork, not wood, but I have an old radial arm saw. Great for making straight cuts in bar stock or pipe with one of those blades that looks like a giant angle grinder blade. Also have a table saw with a metal blade on it. Rarely work with wood so I don't have many wood blades, but nevertheless I find tools interesting so I watch videos about all kinds of tools.

  • @scottbutler2343
    @scottbutler2343 19 днів тому

    It would nice if they could make these for table saws with arbors that are too short for dado stacks

  • @misury
    @misury 13 днів тому

    Okay this might sound like stupid question, and I apologize in advance if it is, but would this data stack work in the Milwaukee job site table saw? Thanks in advance!

  • @georgel1055
    @georgel1055 19 днів тому

    I had to do the quick math. 457 passes of 1/8" blade is 57.125". If you make a pass every single second, you can get the job done in less than 8 minutes. That's a pretty wide half lap. I definitely recommend the dado stack or giving up.

  • @the_semi_competent_woodworker
    @the_semi_competent_woodworker 21 день тому

    Silly question, but if they've gone to the effort to comply with the Euro Norm standard, do they have an EU/UK distributor.

  • @markkeller2469
    @markkeller2469 23 дні тому

    Will it work on the Dewalt 10 inch table saw?

  • @curlymaple42
    @curlymaple42 20 днів тому

    I run bòth freud and cmt dado sets. I have actually noticed chipped teeth and just assumed it was from hitting junk in plywood. I run dados most days in my shop and i have never noticed shrapnel before. Huh. Anyways, i may grab this new cmt locking dado just because it seems easy to adjust width.

  • @carasmussen27
    @carasmussen27 24 дні тому +1

    thanks Matt. I am looking into getting a dado stack and will follow your recommendation. I should be able to get a lot of practice learning some joints. I am on vacation for a couple weeks from chemo.

  • @rickbrauer2607
    @rickbrauer2607 24 дні тому +1

    Great video as usual! Will this dado stack work with the Saw Stop safety system?

    • @marchuvfulz
      @marchuvfulz 24 дні тому

      Sawstop does sell a brake for use with an 8-in dado, and Matt is using his on a Sawstop cabinet saw. Don't know if it will work on the Sawstop contractor or jobsite saws, though.

    • @rickbrauer2607
      @rickbrauer2607 24 дні тому

      @@marchuvfulz understood. I should have been more specific. With the coating on it will it be conductive enough to trigger the brake if it makes contact with flesh.

  • @commonsense5105
    @commonsense5105 20 днів тому +1

    Whats normally the advantage of a blade with more teeth? It generally provides a smoother cut. The reason, assuming your feed rate is the same, each tooth takes a smaller bite, reducing tearout, especially on crosscut grain. So if you have a dado set with few teeth on the outside blades, like this new set shown in this video, you should probably feed the wood slower if tearout is an issue. The traditional dado sets sold in the US that include a higher outside blade tooth count, should provide a smoother cut along the edges.

    • @chezlerq4478
      @chezlerq4478 20 днів тому

      More teeth requires more power. Bigger diameter requires more power. Most dados don't need a smooth-as-silk finish, it's getting glued. I have a 7-1/4 circular saw blade with 3 teeth. Fewer teeth cut faster with less power.
      I have had a CMT, carbide, dado set for years for use on my radial arm saw. It is a 6" 24 tooth. CMT says a 6" 24 tooth should be used on a saw with at least 3 HP. They also say that an 8" should be used with 4 HP or more. I totally agree with that. After using mine for all types of wood, my 6" would be a lot easier to use and safer with 4HP. My son-in-law has stopped his 10" 2.25 HP table saw with his 8" dado set trying to take too big of a bite. I have nearly stopped my 3 HP with a 6"; and it is sharp.
      Don't get an 8" unless you have the power to run it properly, or you like being disappointed.
      P.S. A 6" dado set will cut Deeper than you will Ever need to cut.

  • @ChipPuccio
    @ChipPuccio 22 дні тому

    will the CMT work for the dewalt 7485 contractor saw?

  • @kentowens1746
    @kentowens1746 23 дні тому

    I have never used a Dado set because I was a little leery of the setup. This is a Dato that I would feel comfortable using. I'm going to order one.

    • @savage22bolt32
      @savage22bolt32 22 дні тому +1

      I used mine once. I hate changing blades, so I just make multiple cuts with the blade that is already mounted on the saw.
      Woodworker I'm not.

  • @dj-bn1fj
    @dj-bn1fj 23 дні тому

    Does it come in a 6 inch set? I've never used a a inch set as I never needed a Dado to cut that deep.

  • @randyharmon280
    @randyharmon280 20 днів тому

    I need that Shirt ! 😂
    ...my Panel Saw won't accept a Dado Stack.. dang it!

  • @warrensmith2902
    @warrensmith2902 24 дні тому

    Been using a Harbor Freight dado stack for years. I think I've never used the chippers and shims to only cut 1/4" groves. Of course my table saw manufacturer does not recommend dado cutting on that saw. I have a dedicated zero clearance plate for that dado stack as well.

  • @markbooth3066
    @markbooth3066 21 день тому

    In the EU, CMT sell the 230.312.08M rather than the 230.312.08, which is 6 to 20mm.
    The Nominal widths table looks very similar, with spacer and shim the thicknesses being quite close, but they're not identical. For instance the 1/8" chipper is noted as being 3.14mm thick on the M set, rather than 3.175mm, so I would be interested to get vernier calipers on these to see if
    * they are manufactured to metric specs, with the U.S measurements being approximations;
    * they are manufactured to imperial specs, with the EU measurements being approximations; or
    * they manufacture them to both metric and imperial specs rather than just varying the documentation.

  • @solomongrover9696
    @solomongrover9696 18 днів тому

    WOW. THE DADO BUILDS ITSELF.

  • @ronswoodshack
    @ronswoodshack 24 дні тому +1

    I don’t even have a dado stack. Glad I don’t! Now I can get the updated version. My table saw and miter saw have CMT blades. They work great!! Thank you Mighty Matt!!

  • @MoGhotbi
    @MoGhotbi 22 дні тому

    Ordered this back in February (from a very reputable tool dealer) and still haven't received it. Now I'm told its backordered until middle of June. Either they're really popular or they are having production issues.

  • @DailyFrankPeter
    @DailyFrankPeter 11 днів тому

    Make your cabinets now with 100% less shrapnel.

  • @scissortailcoins
    @scissortailcoins 21 день тому

    I like your GMT Master II - I got a GMT Master back in the late 80's but lost it in a divorce about 15 years ago.

  • @DuffCon
    @DuffCon 18 днів тому

    Love your content, thanks for the video

  • @peterbachman5965
    @peterbachman5965 23 дні тому +1

    My father lost 1 & 1/2 fingers using a old-skool dado stack. A piece of rebar was buried longitudinally in a maple board and the end blades stopped but one of the inner knives came apart and "walked" across his hand, ending up imbedded 20+ feet away in the wall. He lost 3/4 of one finger, 1/2 of another, and 1/4 of a third. Ice, a cooler, and calm nerves saved the fingers, but all three had to be pinned after reattaching . It took a good while to heal, and he never got full use of his left index finger. The flip side is he had to modify his golf swing (mainly his drive/long game) and his game improved from a 4 handicap to playing scratch golf. Can't overpower your swing if you lose flexibility and grip strength, ya know.
    Still not worth it, IMO.

  • @rawbacon
    @rawbacon 22 дні тому +2

    I'm all for reasonable safety advancements. That being said I won't be buying one anytime soon.

  • @robbiediaz7635
    @robbiediaz7635 20 днів тому +1

    I live in Finland and have been using one of these (purchased on line from a dealer in the EU) for a couple of years now. Sometimes I have issues with vibration but loosen the nut and give it a wiggle and you are typically good to go. Great dado set!

  • @AmauryJacquot
    @AmauryJacquot 21 день тому

    also the flashy orange makes the blade visible when it's running

  • @brianshire8351
    @brianshire8351 22 дні тому

    What about the wobble dato blade? Was it not in compliance?

  • @jonnyphenomenon
    @jonnyphenomenon 23 дні тому

    there's a youtube video - from Stumpy Nubs I think, where he explains how they were banned in most countries because the new saws all come with electronic breaking systems to stop the blade quickly when shut off, and that the extra rotating mass of the blade stack would be too much for the saws to stop rotation within a required amount of time, and/or they could cause the arbor nut to come loose and spin off the arbor. That sounded like a good enough reason for me. After seeing your video, I suppose it must just be yet another one of the reasons why they were banned. I assume that these new stacks are much lighter weight, in addition to the other improvements in order to make them stop quicker.

  • @roin1564
    @roin1564 19 днів тому

    Hey Matt, I have the Dewalt 8 1/4 table saw DWE7485 but couldnt find a dado thats compatible. Do you have any suggestion or recommendation? Thanks for all you do man, I learned and cont to learn through your vids.

    • @731Woodworks
      @731Woodworks  19 днів тому +1

      Thanks. I don't think that saw is capable of accepting a dado stack unfortunately.

    • @roin1564
      @roin1564 18 днів тому

      Yea that seems to be the consensus on this saw.

  • @stevenlengyel9701
    @stevenlengyel9701 21 день тому

    Will it work on a Hercules table saw

  • @OConnellWoodworksLLC
    @OConnellWoodworksLLC 22 дні тому

    I'm watching this video while wearing the exact same shirt as you! lol

  • @ehrenkrause9861
    @ehrenkrause9861 День тому

    1:30 I laugh at what they call an old school blade. The dado blades I remember they actually had a wobble washer and the blade was canted about 2° basically wobbling in the arbor to make your cut. 😆

  • @OvGmaybe
    @OvGmaybe 24 дні тому +3

    Thanks for this news! If im correct this blade might fit on the skill jobside tables saw (TS-6307) because of the bigger arbor. Do you know if this fits? Would be a massive + for the already will prices saw.

  • @stevestormssr5492
    @stevestormssr5492 23 дні тому

    It's interesting you talked about the "Old Sets" as being illegal. Now I know you did not name any country by name, but everyone is still selling those old sets from multiple manufacturers. I priced the CMT Orange on amazon at $159. Not out of line considering I paid $80 for my current set. However ,I thank you for the heads up. I never use the shims myself because I want the blades and chippers to be pressed together and not slip.
    Now, that said I really like the design of the CMT Orange set and will probably invest at a future date. I am Curious though. What are the spacers made of, Aluminum or plastic?

  • @colinwilson7524
    @colinwilson7524 21 день тому

    Is it not the case though on most if not all or EU table saws arbor is not long enough to take a dado stack anyway which was just another measure of the EU rules to prevent a dado stack being imported? So even if you can now legally buy an EU approved dado stack it is not gonna fit the saw - if I have understood how things work here in UK/EU

  • @joujimiichi1
    @joujimiichi1 24 дні тому

    I wish I could find a throat plate that is compatible with both a dado stack and the Dewalt jobsite table saw. I’m not sure if the arbor is long enough to support the stack and the arbor nut…

    • @2fathomsdeeper
      @2fathomsdeeper 21 день тому

      They had dado plates for the old 744 saw. Don't know about the newer saws.

  • @gaz740
    @gaz740 20 днів тому

    Unfortunately most of the table saws here in UK don't have arbor's long enough to take this dado blade. It was a standard that was bought in quite a while ago to stop us using these blades....nanny state!!!!!! The maximum most of us can use are ¼" (6mm) CMT grooving blades.

  • @jimserhant7741
    @jimserhant7741 24 дні тому +1

    First & foremost, Thank you for taking the time to produce & share this video with us, i appreciate you & Amy. I was a Diablo blade fanboy, I admit it lol. But, once I tried my first CMT table saw blade after watching a video of yours it’s been, “Diablo? Diablo who?’ 😊